Men - Why a foreign Woman?

[el_guero]

Halo,

Short answer:  If you do not like myself, and other men looking for women in the FSU, tell us how to find an AW worth our time.

Contribute.

Else, your posts read like you are attacking other men on this thread through your comments to me.  Your comment reads to me, IMHO, like you feel I will be nice to you because I am a good man.

That is not really the tree you want to bark up.

Contribute to a better world.

thanks

wayne

No offense intended, el guero, but the answer you are hearing is really "I am not interested in you."  They just believe they are sparing your feelings.  Or, if it is a general question, it is a defense mechanism.  It is easier to say one doesn't want to marry than admit one is "undesirable", is it not?

The fact that you (and others posting here) didn't understand this says something about your ability to understand women.  Women generally are not as direct as men.  You may have more luck in Ukraine, where women can be more direct.  But, Ukrainian women are also, in my observation, far more manipulative, in terms of men, than their Western counterparts.  Partly, because with a lot of their men, they have to be.

If you have hooked up with "bad" women, you should be looking at why you were attracted to them.  What, in those "bad women" was captivating to you?

[Halo]

Wrong, Wayne.  I am just telling you to be realistic.  And I don't need you or anyone else  on a message board to be "nice" to me.

My point was, and is, that women the world over are not different in their desires for a home and a family.  An AW who is dating you, but says she doesn't want to marry is not being truthful.  I suspect she is doing so to spare your feelings.  It is not because she is a "scammer", or because she doesn't want to marry.  It is a slightly more grown up version of the "I just like you as a friend" line high school kids hear.

I don't know what you are looking for, so how can I tell you where to find an AW "worth your time"?  I do know, though, that if all you are attracting are undesirable women, it is because of something in you, not in the women (and that goes for every man here).  Yes, there are some whacko women out there, but the same is true of men.

What, beyond the hype of forums and people in it for a buck, makes you believe that a far larger percentage of Ukrainian women will be "worth your time"?

Since you don't know me, what I do, nor what I have done, how do you know I haven't contributed to a better world?  

Would you rather hear sweet lies?

[el_guero]

No offense intended, el guero, but the answer you are hearing is really "I am not interested in you."  They just believe they are sparing your feelings.  Or, if it is a general question, it is a defense mechanism.  It is easier to say one doesn't want to marry than admit one is "undesirable", is it not?

The fact that you (and others posting here) didn't understand this says something about your ability to understand women.  Women generally are not as direct as men.  You may have more luck in Ukraine, where women can be more direct.  But, Ukrainian women are also, in my observation, far more manipulative, in terms of men, than their Western counterparts.  Partly, because with a lot of their men, they have to be.

If you have hooked up with "bad" women, you should be looking at why you were attracted to them.  What, in those "bad women" was captivating to you?

[el_guero]

Halo,

Read what you wrote.

I realize that I could pay a sexist shrink like yourself hundreds of dollars an hour if I wanted to be abused.  But, why would any man want to be abused?

[Halo]

I am not a sexist, but if it makes you feel superior to think so, go right ahead.  In fact, please put me on ignore, as you evidently prefer fantasy to reality.  It will prove what I suspect: cowardice.

My intent it not malicious, but rather, to save you pain.  Ukraine is not a place for the faint hearted or modern day Don Quixotes.

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behavior.  That applies to relationships too.  You cannot have a long term successful relationship if you do not understand why you cannot find "marriage minded" AW, even if, ultimately, you reject those women as unsuitable.  The answer is not in the woman, it is in you.  If you don't realize this now, you will be back at some point whining about Ukrainian women.

[Rasputin]

You cannot have a long term successful relationship if you do not understand why you cannot find "marriage minded" AW, even if, ultimately, you reject those women as unsuitable.

There is a great deal of wisdom in this statement. I agree that somehow writing off the women of entire countries or continents does not augur well for a man's chances of future success IMHO.

[el_guero]

Natallie,

I appreciate your OP.  I and others have responded honestly to your question. 

Some have not appreciated truthful men.  And they have resorted to ad hominem attacks. 

Many of the good men who have good reasons for pursuing women from the FSU may not respond to your OP after these ad hominems.  Some men prefer not to pick up a fight if they do not have to.

I would prefer to remain among them, but your question was a valid question.  And you deserve an answer free of intimidation.

As you consider the possibility of a good man even if he is from the 'West', remember that some good men from the 'West' have been ruined by the bad women they seek to get away from.

Having said that, if you are careful, there are good men to be found from the 'West'.  I believe that I have seen the words of good men written upon this board.  I won't vouch for every man here, but I have noticed the integrity of many of them.

I am thankful that you do not strike me as a woman who will allow attacks of weaker minded people dissuade you from your goal.

Your character will do you well in your pursuit of a good man, and I pray that man might be a godly man as well.

Keep up the good questions.

wayne

Well I can ask:::: WHY FOREIGN WOMEN?? FROM FSU??

[Bruce Lee]

Just my £0.02p worth, myself I found the Ukrainian women I met to be quite devious and incredibly self centered, however my now-wife (Russian) is complete opposite to this. My contact may be limited, but I work with a Ukrainian women, and have met closely 3 others (1 in Ukraine and 2 in based in UK), and they all had identical traits! After this I called off the search in Ukraine.  4 people does not make it a scientific study, but meeting 4 people who I wouldn't trust to run a bath was enough for me, again this is just my experience and others will sing the praise of Ukrainian women.

Maybe a lot of men prefer Ukraine as it does not have the same visa restrictions as Russia and is cheaper to both travel and stay in. However, I am sure that this statement has had its own thread at some point in time?

This is just my personal experience and like I have said in some previous posts, this approach worked for me, but maybe not for others!

Maybe limiting your search helps???

[Springirl]

Natallie,

I appreciate your OP.  I and others have responded honestly to your question. 

Some have not appreciated truthful men.  And they have resorted to ad hominem attacks. 

Many of the good men who have good reasons for pursuing women from the FSU may not respond to your OP after these ad hominems.  Some men prefer not to pick up a fight if they do not have to.

I would prefer to remain among them, but your question was a valid question.  And you deserve an answer free of intimidation.

As you consider the possibility of a good man even if he is from the 'West', remember that some good men from the 'West' have been ruined by the bad women they seek to get away from.

Having said that, if you are careful, there are good men to be found from the 'West'.  I believe that I have seen the words of good men written upon this board.  I won't vouch for every man here, but I have noticed the integrity of many of them.

I am thankful that you do not strike me as a woman who will allow attacks of weaker minded people dissuade you from your goal.

Your character will do you well in your pursuit of a good man, and I pray that man might be a godly man as well.

Keep up the good questions.

wayne

Well I can ask:::: WHY FOREIGN WOMEN?? FROM FSU??

Hi Wayne!
I don't like to urgue, thanks for replay, but I think when people broke up in relationship it fault of both sides, it can be that we ,ourselves, make a wrong  choice ! So it is always good to look deeper inside ourselves. And it has nothing to do with FSU or WW !
Take care

[el_guero]

That is a wise statement!

wayne

Natallie,

I appreciate your OP.  I and others have responded honestly to your question. 

Some have not appreciated truthful men.  And they have resorted to ad hominem attacks. 

Many of the good men who have good reasons for pursuing women from the FSU may not respond to your OP after these ad hominems.  Some men prefer not to pick up a fight if they do not have to.

I would prefer to remain among them, but your question was a valid question.  And you deserve an answer free of intimidation.

As you consider the possibility of a good man even if he is from the 'West', remember that some good men from the 'West' have been ruined by the bad women they seek to get away from.

Having said that, if you are careful, there are good men to be found from the 'West'.  I believe that I have seen the words of good men written upon this board.  I won't vouch for every man here, but I have noticed the integrity of many of them.

I am thankful that you do not strike me as a woman who will allow attacks of weaker minded people dissuade you from your goal.

Your character will do you well in your pursuit of a good man, and I pray that man might be a godly man as well.

Keep up the good questions.

wayne

Well I can ask:::: WHY FOREIGN WOMEN?? FROM FSU??

Hi Wayne!
I don't like to urgue, thanks for replay, but I think when people broke up in relationship it fault of both sides, it can be that we ,ourselves, make a wrong  choice ! So it is always good to look deeper inside ourselves. And it has nothing to do with FSU or WW !
Take care

[Rod]

Oh boy, I HAD to jump on this one! I was divorced for 15 years before I married my Russian wife. I got out of the US Navy in 1990 and lived in several states after that up until now. I honestly tried to date American women again. But what I found was hostile, feminazi women, many of whom had way too much anger and baggage from their previous relationships. I quickly found their kids were a large wedge between us as I was not allowed to make any suggestions or discipline their little darlings. SOOOO,
I turned to my past feeling for women from a foriegn country that developed in my world travels during my time in the Navy. I managed to find the right woman and do not reget it. Best thing I EVER did!

Cheers, Rod

[el_guero]

Rod,

First, let me take this opportunity for you contributing the freedom and protection of our way of life.  I do not take the sacrifices that our men and women in uniform make upon our behalf.

Second, thank you for contributing.

wayne

Oh boy, I HAD to jump on this one! I was divorced for 15 years before I married my Russian wife. I got out of the US Navy in 1990 and lived in several states after that up until now. I honestly tried to date American women again. But what I found was hostile, feminazi women, many of whom had way too much anger and baggage from their previous relationships. I quickly found their kids were a large wedge between us as I was not allowed to make any suggestions or discipline their little darlings. SOOOO,
I turned to my past feeling for women from a foriegn country that developed in my world travels during my time in the Navy. I managed to find the right woman and do not reget it. Best thing I EVER did!

Cheers, Rod

[Springirl]

Oh boy, I HAD to jump on this one! I was divorced for 15 years before I married my Russian wife. I got out of the US Navy in 1990 and lived in several states after that up until now. I honestly tried to date American women again. But what I found was hostile, feminazi women, many of whom had way too much anger and baggage from their previous relationships. I quickly found their kids were a large wedge between us as I was not allowed to make any suggestions or discipline their little darlings. SOOOO,
I turned to my past feeling for women from a foriegn country that developed in my world travels during my time in the Navy. I managed to find the right woman and do not reget it. Best thing I EVER did!

Cheers, Rod

that's great! I love this story!

[Excedryn]

I pretty much agree with Rod on his post because my situation is similar. That being said I will also say it does have a lot to do with the lifestyle I do lead as well. I am extremely busy with work and my studies and I found searching via the internet a convenient alternative to the typical "bar scene." Past experiences with AM after my tour of duty did leave a sour taste in my mouth and I am not getting younger and do want to start a family with children of my own. I toyed with the idea of looking "across the pond" way back in 2006 and researched the various sites/agencies back then but did not make a concerted effort until after my burying my step-father who had been diagnosed terminal and as a result I played the "good son" role (nothing I reget I assure you...this was a huge growing period) and provided primary hospice up until he died. It is not the allure of a foreign bride that drives my motivation but the wanton desire to be happy and find a woman who values many of the same ideals I do. That is not to say they do not exist in the US, because they do, but my opinion is jaded because of my past relationships so I decided to seek a pasture elsewhere. This is a journey I know I will not regret even if it does end in failure simply because I have been exposed to what I consider a very beautiful culture that continues to captivate me around every corner I turn. If I happen to find a woman who deems me worthy of her attention...all the better.

[Generci]

For me is Simple...

I believe in love affection and respect after all the evil that has to be one of the last romantic?

IM Tired of listening to sentences (of Brazilian women!) The type of woman who does not like men who like men are gay women like money!! I know it exists here and in many places but I prefer to believe that there is more decent woman in the world than  men

But unfortunately things are not so easy and people like me who do not smoke do not drink do not cheat are honest do not look for sex and say they like me who wants to conquer the heart and soul Sometimes I feel  not discriminated  i feel an extraterrestrial! E.T!

after much research consider the indole of foreign girls from different Latin because it met 13 countries in Europe and lived there almost four years I can compare..

So I decided to be found by a Russian or Ukrainian