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At another forum, they welcomed a black guy that joined and was interested in going to Russia.

Jinx, don't recall reading this post but I hope their were some that advised him that most Russian/Ukraine women will never consider him because he is black.


Jack,

Oddly enough I personally know two Russian women from the same city (Volzhsky) that are very much into black guys. Don't know about marriage, but they are definitely attracted to them.

You might be a little out of touch with the younger girls, they listen to all the same crap rap music as they do here and as women all over the world...they are attracted to the "bad boy" image  ::)

I'm surprised you didn't know this as you seemed to have looked into my trip to Volzhky and my relationship with Olesya...our big fight in Moscow was directly related to this issue....she was mesmerized by 50 Cent on TV and began telling me she loves criminals  :o


PS. Now that I think about it, I knew a girl from Lucky Lovers that was also attracted to "dark skinned men"  I don't think it's as uncommon as some might think. I remember our friend Olya visiting us and seeing Ladanian Tomlinson in a TV commercial and her saying "he is so beautiful"  and Olesya told me she is not prejudice or a racist.  You can't genearlize about an entire country of women, I'm sure there is some room for black men there.


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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 02:33:55 AM »
Oddly enough I personally know two Russian women from the same city (Volzhsky) that are very much into black guys.

Two?  Only two? 

You might be a little out of touch with the younger girls, they listen to all the same crap rap music as they do here and as women all over the world...they are attracted to the "bad boy" image  ::)

Oh I can assure you jinx I am quite in touch with the younger women.  And I can say with no doubt that maybe, at the most, and on the high side, maybe 6 or 7 young women, and again I am sure this is on the high side, maybe 6 or 7 young women out of a hundred would have anything to do with a blackman.

The prejudice is quite high. I'm somewhat surprised you did not know this? 


I'm surprised you didn't know this as you seemed to have looked into my trip to Volzhky and my relationship with Olesya...our big fight in Moscow was directly related to this issue....she was mesmerized by 50 Cent on TV and began telling me she loves criminals  :o

No jinx, I did not know that she dumped you for a black man.

Guess that means you know three ladies from Volzhky who like black men.
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p.s. now that I think about it I knew a girl from Lucky Lovers that was also attracted to "dark skinned men" 

Thousands and thousands of Russian ladies on LL, I can believe that.

I don't think it's as uncommon as some might think.

Well, as usual, we will agree to disagree.  It is VERY uncommon.

You can't genearlize about an entire country of women, I'm sure there is some room for black men there.

jinx, when over 90% of a particular segment of a population feel a certain way, I think it's somewhat safe to generalize.

Of course their will be some Russian women who will have an interest in a black man. There are Russian women who have married black American men, it does and will happen. But their is no getting around the prejudice that Russian women, and men, have towards black people.

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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 03:55:47 AM »
Of course their will be some Russian women who will have an interest in a black man. There are Russian women who have married black American men, it does and will happen. But their is no getting around the prejudice that Russian women, and men, have towards black people. 

I know there was a time in Moscow between 2001-2004 where it was considered quite "stylish" for women in the club scene in Moscow to experiment with dating black men.    It went along with the "stylish" trend between 2002-2005 for women in the Moscow club scene to experiement with lesbian relationships. 

In either case, I don't think this experimentation was meant to lead to permanent relationships.
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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 07:11:28 AM »
 Jack,

The fact that I know three women that are attracted to black men is a pretty high number considering I don't know that many Russian women  :biggrin:

 Where did you get "she dumped you for a black guy" from Jack?  I said we had an argument which was partly started by a 50 Cent music video. She didn't dump me for anyone, we just didn't click and had very bad communication (language barrier)  She did eventually end up with an Armenian guy (dark skinned), not married but he knocked her up.

 I agree with Brad though, it's probably just fashionable to be attracted to black men now in Russia, I don't think many women would consider marriage. I think younger people are much less prejudice though, same as here.


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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 08:03:36 AM »
Oddly enough I personally know two Russian women from the same city (Volzhsky) that are very much into black guys.


Two?  Only two? 

Jack, I know a FSU woman who likes Black men - she does not live in the FSU. She is an intelligent woman, and I think no matter how "in touch" you may THINK you are ( esp. with young women - if that is something to be "proud" of ) you may be mistaken, here.

Volzhsky has had instances of quite brutal racism, but does that mean there won't be women who feel differently.. who knows.. may be the attacks were because of jealousy?..

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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 10:17:45 PM »


Where did you get "she dumped you for a black guy" from Jack? 


From you jinx,

our big fight in Moscow was directly related to this issue....





She did eventually end up with an Armenian guy (dark skinned),


Yep, looks like she does prefer dark skinned men.





Jack, I know a FSU woman who likes Black men - she does not live in the FSU. She is an intelligent woman,


Cool!  8)  You know one more such woman like this than I do.




Volzhsky has had instances of quite brutal racism, but does that mean there won't be women who feel differently.. who knows.. may be the attacks were because of jealousy?..


I don't think the racial attacks I have seen, read and heard about have anything to do with jealousy, at least not those attacks done by the many skinhead and various other groups.

I probably average getting a call a week from a black man who has interest in meeting a Russian woman. I tell this man of "my opinion" of the great amount of prejudice that still exist today.  Sure, it is better today than 10 years ago, but still their is a great amount of prejudice and these men MUST be told this, no sugar coating this serious issue.  The only women I see on websites who write of their interest to meet a black man I think are mostly scammers, as many of these same young beauties also write age difference is no problem.  Sure!  And if you believe that you'll believe Ed's eight single Russian women to every man bullschit.

What do I tell these black men? I tell them they are wasting their time buying addresses or going on socials. Their best chance is to run ads of themselves in newspapers, let the ladies see his photo and read about him. Their will be a very small percent of scammers responding to a black man through a newspaper. Their will be a much higher percentage of scammers replying to black men who run their ads on internet sites.  How do I know this msmoby_ru?  Because we run such ads for black men. 




I think no matter how "in touch" you may THINK you are you may be mistaken, here.


msmoby_ru, if YOU THINK a good percentage of Russian women have marriage interest in a black man then it is YOU who are mistaken here.  As with jinx, you and I will simply have to agree to disagree towards the great amount of prejudice that still exist with most Russian/Ukraine men and women.




esp. with young women - if that is something to be "proud" of


Why yes msmoby_ru, I am quite proud of my relationship with the many young women I know. Most of my staff, workers, and associates are ladies of  21, 22, 23, 24 years of age.

In addition to the actual time I am able to spend with many of these ladies, I am also in, if not daily, weekly contact with.  I see and hear what these ladies say and think about black men.  And it's not only ladies from Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Kiev, Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, these same feelings are expressed by most of the young Russian women I know from Volgograd, Tver, Moscow, St. Pete, Novosibisrk, Kazan, Ufa.

So although you can try to make it sound like something dirty, something it appears you are quite good at and often try to do on at least two Russian discussion boards, I am quite proud of my experience with the many young ladies, good young ladies, that I am blessed to work with.




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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 10:47:37 PM »

I know there was a time in Moscow between 2001-2004 where it was considered quite "stylish" for women in the club scene in Moscow to experiment with dating black men.   

In either case, I don't think this experimentation was meant to lead to permanent relationships.


I know a... erm, can't say "girl" as she's one year older than me! so "young woman" then... here in Moscow who, in the time period mentionned above by Shakespear, was a big fan of black strip dancer called Dylan.

She was going to see his shows every week and said that thinking about him has helped her to have "best masturbations in her life".

However when her brother, tired of hearing her speaking constantly about that Dylan, offered her to rent him for a night (remember - he was a strip dancer...  ::) )  as a birthday present to her, she declined that kind offer  :-\
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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 11:07:25 PM »
Jack, I know a FSU woman who likes Black men - she does not live in the FSU. She is an intelligent woman,

Cool!  8)  You know one more such woman like this than I do.

One of us is obviously, leading a "sheltered existence", or  they're not opening up to you, Jack :))



Volzhsky has had instances of quite brutal racism, but does that mean there won't be women who feel differently.. who knows.. may be the attacks were because of jealousy?..

I don't think the racial attacks I have seen, read and heard about have anything to do with jealousy, at least not those attacks done by the many skinhead and various other groups.

Jack, when people die, it is a well known fact that the first place the people look is amongst folk they know and relatives!

I probably average getting a call a week from a black man who has interest in meeting a Russian woman. I tell this man of "my opinion" of the great amount of prejudice that still exist today.  Sure, it is better today than 10 years ago, but still their is a great amount of prejudice and these men MUST be told this, no sugar coating this serious issue.  The only women I see on websites who write of their interest to meet a black man I think are mostly scammers, as many of these same young beauties also write age difference is no problem.  Sure!  And if you believe that you'll believe Ed's eight single Russian women to every man bullschit.

Jack, I'm not claiming most or many FSUW are interested in Black guys, but I'm pleased to say ( may be more outside of their homeland) FSUW don't seem to be so prejudiced...

Don't set me off about Ed's "numbers" ..

What do I tell these black men? I tell them they are wasting their time buying addresses or going on socials. Their best chance is to run ads of themselves in newspapers, let the ladies see his photo and read about him. Their will be a very small percent of scammers responding to a black man through a newspaper. Their will be a much higher percentage of scammers replying to black men who run their ads on internet sites.  How do I know this msmoby_ru?  Because we run such ads for black men. 

Would you not say this demonstrates that Black Men should be "avoiding" you altogether or you could offer to post their profiles on LL, Mamba, etc ?!   Here is a niche biz opportunity , Jack


I think no matter how "in touch" you may THINK you are you may be mistaken, here.

msmoby_ru, if YOU THINK a good percentage of Russian women have marriage interest in a black man then it is YOU who are mistaken here.  As with jinx, you and I will simply have to agree to disagree towards the great amount of prejudice that still exist with most Russian/Ukraine men and women.

OK. Leave the market open for the "Ed's of this world ;).. I'm surprised that *I*- not having met so many women as you - have met more ( any)  FSU ladies that would consider a Black guy..




esp. with young women - if that is something to be "proud" of

Why yes msmoby_ru, I am quite proud of my relationship with the many young women I know. Most of my staff, workers, and associates are ladies of  21, 22, 23, 24 years of age.

Careful Jack... ! Many of the Russian speaking young folk I know are 17-19 years old.. they like Rap music, Street Basketball, 50 cents ( sorry Jinx) .. take a look at vkontakte.ru.. so I guess these "younger" folk are more tolerant than the "oldies" you mix with ;))  ?!


In addition to the actual time I am able to spend with many of these ladies, I am also in, if not daily, weekly contact with.  I see and hear what these ladies say and think about black men.  And it's not only ladies from Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Kiev, Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, these same feelings are expressed by most of the young Russian women I know from Volgograd, Tver, Moscow, St. Pete, Novosibisrk, Kazan, Ufa.

Jack, I used to read profiles and saw "white, Causcasian" - I repeat, I'm not saying a majority.. I *am* saying there's a sizeable minority.. !
 
So although you can try to make it sound like something dirty, something it appears you are quite good at and often try to do on at least two Russian discussion boards, I am quite proud of my experience with the many young ladies, good young ladies, that I am blessed to work with.

Jack, have you ever thought about why you advise Black guys to be realistic about their chances, then introduce White western men to women half their age...  There is nothing wrong in employing young members of staff.. 

Most men with daughters in their late teens or early twenties think it is strange that they would be seriously interested in marriage to a guy the same age as them... Let's get "dirty " in perspective..





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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 11:31:39 PM »
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I tell this man of "my opinion" of the great amount of prejudice that still exist today.  Sure, it is better today than 10 years ago, but still their is a great amount of prejudice and these men MUST be told this, no sugar coating this serious issue.  The only women I see on websites who write of their interest to meet a black man I think are mostly scammers, as many of these same young beauties also write age difference is no problem. 

I am with Jack on this one mostly.

Asian guys seem to fare a little better, as do oriental looking guys. Anyone with any kind of colour that is minimal (ie, could you pass for an Italian or a Spaniard?) seem to do OK. Outside of big cities,  guys of African black descent may well encounter some considerable difficulty as Jack suggests.

People who have encountered individual women who are OK with the idea must not assume this to be a general trait amongst RW. Some will be OK with it; many won't even consider the idea.

My wife has had several women who have refused point blank to correspond with black guys when approached. I don't think she has successfully facilitated such a communication yet in fact.

Interesting article on Racism in Russia: http://passportmagazine.ru/article/400/
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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 01:01:51 AM »
For what it is worth - to thrive in Obamanation - we all have to have a diverse team - a Nigerian business associate sought me out because of my veteran status and we are now a sub on a major GWAC - anyway I have seen him in action many times and you would be surprised how many highly educated German, Romanian, Russian and Ukrainian women he has taught "breathing lessons to so that they could negotiate the shock" - he pretty much avoids the ones under 5'8" and less than 150 pounds as he does not want to "commit murder" :evilgrin0002:

Lilly white young and not so young lovlies stare at him transfixed when he starts discussing anatomical issues ...

Beware the Snow Princess you bring to the land of any thing goes as you may be in for the Shock of your life!!!

Fortunately for me less than 5'8" and under 130 lbs is my sweet spot so it works out just fine...

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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 03:41:20 AM »
I know a... erm, can't say "girl" as she's one year older than me! so "young woman" then... here in Moscow who, in the time period mentioned above by Shakespear, was a big fan of black strip dancer called Dylan.  She was going to see his shows every week and said that thinking about him has helped her to have "best masturbation's in her life".

At one time I knew Dylan and his crew of dancers personally.  The were regulars on Friday and Sunday nights at The Hungry Duck. Your "friend" could have fullfilled her fantasy by simply going to the Duck on one of those nights and "volunteering" to participate in one of the shows.  This would have required her to strip down at least topless and act in simulated sex acts on stage.  Your 'friend" might have even had an orgasm.
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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 08:49:14 AM »
Ukraine:
There actually are black citizens of Ukraine, you know.  One of my interpreters in Odessa was a black woman.
Aside from that, some Ukrainians I have dealt with, expressed to me that they feel a sort of afinity for African Americans and the culture.  The Ukrainian world view and the way black Americans see things as a group, might have more in common than the what white, middle class Americans have in common with Ukrainians.
They love Rap.  But, then there is racism and hatred as well.

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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2008, 09:14:34 PM »
Ukraine:
There actually are black citizens of Ukraine, you know.  One of my interpreters in Odessa was a black woman.
Aside from that, some Ukrainians I have dealt with, expressed to me that they feel a sort of afinity for African Americans and the culture.  The Ukrainian world view and the way black Americans see things as a group, might have more in common than the what white, middle class Americans have in common with Ukrainians.
They love Rap.  But, then there is racism and hatred as well.


My Nigerian Biz associate wants me to being him over on one of Nunya's Kiev parties - I keep telling him I think its too dangerous, not necessarily for him - but - for me and that I really don't want to set myself up as a target for any Neo-Nationalists :duh:

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 ;D I know two Russian girls both 18 and went off find two black pygmies both 48 they are madly in love
 And want them return Russia help run marketing business! Russian women are just as trendy as rest
They can be better than western women!


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Re: Black Men and Their Prospects With Russian and/or Ukrainian Women
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 06:11:22 AM »
 I have known a few RW who were attracted to black men. That is not the norm but it happens. If we are talking sexual attraction I would have to say probably more young RW would find some black men more sexually attractive( http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=54401565&albumID=450877&imageID=18807628


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then much older men or obese men. But that does not stop those types of men from men from traveling as the womans sexual preference is rarely on their thoughts. Women may not marry the black man but marry the much older or obese man. Not because they are a sexual preference. But the mucg older or obese man will be more accepting to family and society . Unlike men may marry the man who is more socially acceptable,forfeiting their sexual attraction for acceptance.