anastadiadate - salary question

[rasmus80]

hello!

i have a lil different type of question... i've met ukrainian girl through one of the webcam chat  (the adult one, but i've never seen her doing any of "that stuff", i was happy just to talk with her), unfortunately she quit the site because she had moral issues with the "label" of the site and and now she decided to try her luck with anastasiadate. She dont want to talk about money but i know she needs one. I try to help her out from time to time sending her some amount. But i was wondering, can someone tell me how much she can earn on anastasia per month? I'm talking about normal looking girl, not one of those stunning model-alike beauties with dozens of photos and videos... she doesnt provide video chat, camshare or video date, she's online no more than 2-4 hours per day, but only via textchat.... are we talking about any serious money here or just petty cash?

Any help would be apreciated!

[JayH]

Hi rasmus-- lots of your questions are covered in many different places on the forum.I have more observations than answers today for you. It is unlikely she is only doing texts on Anastastia.Look at the site and you will see the full gamut .
I will get flamed here for this next comment.Girls can earn  serious money in Ukraine terms for doing the web site thing-- plenty of girls earn significently more than average income. I know a girl that has a new European  car( much higher cost than western EU),owns her apartment,has wardrobe of clothes that puts most western girls to shame and has holidayed in 6 different countries. She is 23 years old .What others will jump at me here over is that Anastasia does not pay the girls directly-- the agencies do!. Anastasia offers everything from cars to iphones as incentive for the highest earners on site .
That is short answer--there are so many variations  and issues to understand it is not possible in a few words.
One last comment-- even if a girl is doing this-- even if she accepts money from -it does not necessarily make her a scammer.She may still be genuine in the right circumstances.
One last comment - the basic attitude of girls in Ukraine is that men CHOOSE to pay money to websites-- they CHOOSE to send money and no one is forcing them to do it.Basically the same attitude I see expressed here  from those that rationalise the whole business-- so their is not a morality issue related to the fundamental deception.

[AvHdB]

Welcome to RUA. An Interesting question.

I can guess you can work it backwards Anastasia I understand takes 40% for themselves and 100% if the chat person is independent, i.e. not from/via a local agency. The remaining 60% is divided between the local agency and the person chatting. If the woman can conduct several chats over two to three hours she might make $20,= multiply by 5 or 6 days and while she is not getting rich it is a source of income.

A senior member here called AndrewFi knows the ins and outs better. My informations is based on a conversation with one local agency outside Kiev a couple years back.

[rasmus80]

Thanks for shedding some lights on this one AvHdB.... i know it's hard to evaluate coz it's dependable from many factors, but im sure there is some kind of average that can be assumed. If she's indeed gonna earn +/- 100 dollars per week just from textchatting.... then it's not a bad money, but i believe it's rather optimistic version.... looking forward to hear some more opinions.

JayH - ur observation is very interesting... but i think ur mostly talking about girls that are literaly living from performing on various webcam/dating sites, spending whole day online, having big traffic and lots of visitors... they propably earn even up to 2.000 dolars per month... but in my case, my girl is just a modest student, she's not rich, she's still living with parents, she doenst have fancy clothes, cars or phones... she want to stay low profile, that's why she wasnt ok with the adult webcam and she doesnt have whole day to sit by the computer.... when u look at her anastasia profile it's obvious she's not taking it seriously, her description consists of 1-sentence answers... i dont think that's gonna atracts a lot of guys.. I was just wondering if a girl like her can make any decent money for the little she can offer on anastasiaweb.

[chelseaboy]

Where the professional girls can earn the serious money,is when they can get men off the site,and onto private email/mobile phone texts.

So,if one of these girls can get 3 or more men hooked,by pretending to have great feelings for them,and each man is sending her a couple of hundred USD a month,then she's living a very nice life in Ukraine.

They do have to get the men off the site,because the sites do check the communication between the girls and the men to see if she is asking for money,among other things such as prevention of exchanging personal contact details.
If she is caught asking men for money,she'll be kicked off the site.

Obviously,when a man visits a girl,then that is a big chance for her to change the method of communication from the site,to potential serious money-earning by private communication,depending how convincing an actress she is with her feelings for him and subsequent sob-story's for her "darling"

Rasmus,i don't believe your girl is playing that game,unless she starts to put up video's,sexy photo's in bikini's/lingerie,starts doing video chat ( maybe all through the night,as some do : )
If she starts doing  this,then you'll have a pretty good idea she's becoming a pro chatter/dater,without even having to take her clothes off. 

There was an article in the UK media about these "girlfriends" in Ukraine,and one guy from the UK,who is a supermarket manager,was sending his " girl" in Odessa 1,500 USD a month,and she'd only kissed him. 

There's a fool born every minute,and many of them travel to Ukraine it seems 

[andrewfi]

Yes, I think Jay is getting confused between women who do web cam work for adult sex chat sites and the dating sites. My understanding is that the peak for adult web cam earnings has passed us by but yes, girls were earning quite serious money - IIRC five or six years ago they could have been earning on sex webcam in Saint Petersburg a couple of thousand dollars a month if they were popular.

I rather doubt that girls working in agencies, if they are paid at all, earn anything like that amount of money. For MOB sites Pareto is likely to apply to a greater degree than in sex chat so only a few might earn the headline amounts.
Some aggregators work to reduce/eliminate agencies who pay girls - HRB being one such. Others seem to be happy to incentivise girls - AnastasiaDate being one of those.

I also think that Jay is conflating those women who earn money from their interactions with guys who visit and those who mainly spend time online. Empirical evidence over the years does suggest that some women do make quite a good living from visitors to the agencies. Some guys reported meeting women who confessed to being hookers working for agencies and sometimes they evinced a desire to retire with the guy reporting; I do not recall any cases where such a match ever occurred leading me to surmise that whilst the former may have been true that the latter was not. The true situation likely to be something along the lines of a bint getting rumbled and choosing to tell a half truth as a confession rather than the whole truth. Telling half the truth resulting in ongoing remuneration for her services and a boost to the ego of the 'client'.

Jay is correct that women who men sometimes suggest are scammers are not anything of the sort, just mismatched expectations however I think that he is again confusing himself when he seems to suggest that women who earn a living from this activity are possibly genuine but choosy - I think that is rather unlikely, at least not until such time as their attractiveness and value has declined to a point that marrying some lonely foreigner looks more attractive than what she has in her home environment.

[rasmus80]

As always not everything is black or white... there are different shades of colours, some girls are simply trying to lure guys to come visit their agencies and milk them out of their cash on "tourdates" using all the tricks up their sleeves (sexy photos, video chats, etc), some girls are genuinely trying to find husbands, as Andrew said, propably those less atractive and older ones, but there is propably also a big group of girls, regular ones, students living with parents or simply shy ones, that just want to earn a few extra bucks by sitting online and providing textchat from their homes... and i just was wondering what kind of money can Anastasia offer to that kind of girls? Is it paid by fixed salary or certain percentage of minute/letter spent on the girl by visitors.

[andrewfi]

Rasmus, how many businesses do you deal with each day of your life?

Do they all pay the same way?

Do they all pay the same amount?

Of course they do not.

In this context, understand that most of the time, in most MOB businesses, most of the girls are not paid anything.

So trying to reach a generalisation for that set of curcumstances simply is not possible.

Bottom line though, do you want to be the mug sending money to some image on a screen that you have never met?
If you are being gulled then any reference to 'average' or 'normal' is simply pointless. All that you need to know is that you are the mug.

It is of no help to know how much a con artist earns from the scam. As soon as you give a grifter a single penny you are the mark; all that remains to be asked is how big a mark you are.

If you have a need to know how much you are being mugged for then simpy take the amount you are paying per hour. Deduct the amount taken by the aggregator (AnastasiaDate) deduct the amount taken by the local agency and assume the balance is available to the girl. My guess would be that she might get something like 10-20% of the total depending upon her position in the pecking order and her revenue generating capability.

[rasmus80]

Andrew, just to be clear... i havent paid a single dime to any kind of dating sites so far, sending money personaly to a girl i know for more than a year, on my own rules, without any requests from her is a different thing... but back to the main topic, if u assume that a girl gets 10%-20% of the total income.. if any at all... that's realy not much. I believe if ur not one of the top-grossing girls, u cant make any living out of it, unless it's just pocket money for a cinema, and new pair of clothes once a month.

[AvHdB]

but back to the main topic, if u assume that a girl gets 10%-20% of the total income.. if any at all... that's realy not much.

It depends if she is chatting with different men each day than the 10% per mug/man becomes a more palatable amount.

[TomT]

rasmus,

You asked the wrong question. You should have asked if it's a good idea for you to send her money. Doing so makes her motives for corresponding with you unclear. If you are toying with the idea of outbidding all of your competitors for the right of exclusivity, fuggedaboutit. Visiting her and establishing a relationship is a much more effective means to that end.

[Manny]

You asked the wrong question. You should have asked whether it's a good idea for you to be sending her money.

Agree. And it isn't a good idea.

She may have a dozen such men sending money. That will equate to a decent salary.

She need not be a glamour puss to draw guys in. Many guys avoid the Pareto 20 girls and head one level down. Half these women seem to be psychologists - they know this too.

Is she from Odessa or Kiev by chance?

[rasmus80]

When there are some feelings involved.... nothing is that clear or obvious anymore. I admit i had some doubts about sending her money, but it was more about how she would feel about it, would it be offensive to her, etc... and as i already told, she never brought up that idea by herself so i still think she's not keeping our relations alive for the money... unless she's such a good "psychologist" that she knew i would offer that somewhere along the line... anyway, i'm not planning to send her anymore, so i'll see how it will go down, if she will brought up that topic again, then i think it will be obvious what's her motives.

Is she from Odessa or Kiev by chance?

Yes she is, but that doesnt mean anything... it's like saying being an arab makes u potential terrorist.. I dont believe in such mental shortcuts.

[Turboguy]

Is she from Odessa or Kiev by chance?

Yes she is, but that doesnt mean anything... it's like saying being an arab makes u potential terrorist.. I dont believe in such mental shortcuts.

Well, personally I would not consider Kiev to be that much of an indicator but if it is Odessa, it is more like saying an arab with a belt full of plastic explosvies might be a potential terrorist.

One of the most important rules to follow is don't send money to someone you have not met. 

I really think you need to get away from Anastasia web and broaden your search for a woman.  There are lots of good women out there and I am not saying this girl is not a good one but give yourself some options, this one looks like a crap shoot.

[kenny2112]

I have friends that write for agencies and the pay isn't all that great at all. One friend has two girls assigned to her. She writes for hours but she's lucky if she makes $200 a month. I forget what she told me. Maybe 25 or 50 cents a letter and only if the guy reads them. Of the two girls that she writes for, one girl is serious about finding a guy and the other one isn't.