Finally Made a Decision on a Ukrainian Woman

[chelseaboy]

Who do you think you're talking to Andrew,you ignorant pig.

People had already advised Soldier to use Skype,so there was no need for you to bring up HRB at all.

But you did,as you do at every opportunity,as their self-appointed publicist.

If you're not trying to promote HRB to every newbie that comes along,then it's PLM.

Now go and crawl under a rock somewhere.You're beneath contempt,

[SoldierNurse]

Yes, I indeed have a back up plan.  I live and die by P.A.C.E.  (Primary, alternate, contingency, emergency) like a soldier. 
The reason December is the earliest for me to visit is because I'm newly employed to this hospital. I'm still within the 6 month probationary period with NO earned days of paid leave.  It's not money at all, I have no bills, but my mortage and utilities. Passport....CHECK!  When I started this job, I didn't think that the current scenario was going to unfold.

OK I understand - you might need to reconsider your planning and look at a longer term approach.

Read allot of threads not smoking and figure out which will work for you.

LOL!  I know AvHdb!  I fully commit to the cessations of smoking.  Hell, it's been damn near 96 hours since my last cigarette. I'm already past the stage and I'm using all cessation aids to my advantage.

[AvHdB]

SoldierNurse, We have a sand box and sometimes it needs to be larger, ignore (and forgive) those who throw sand, we mean well, each in our way.

It might be useful to read the thread about using the buttons and quoting.

[SoldierNurse]

SoldierNurse, We have a sand box and sometimes it needs to be larger, ignore (and forgive) those who throw sand, we mean well, each in our way.

It might be useful to read the thread about using the buttons and quoting.

Duly noted!

[andrewfi]

Chelseaboy, go and read, ask your mummy to help you, it is obvious that you can not understand the words.
HRB introduced to the world of Mail Order Brides the idea of using video chat to verify that there was a real person in Russia or Ukraine. They did so years before Skype got round to it. I noted it as a point of reference. As it happens, I know that HRB were very surprised by the degree to which lonely guys wanted to use video chat and undoubtedly it has made them a lot of money.

I mentioned in passing, please, go ask mummy to point out the words that were in any sense a promotion of HRB.

This is just silly. Stop sucking the lead pipes in your basement.

Soldierboy, yes, I was not replying to your posts. I was referring to Tom's post. I am guessing that you were able to note that this was the case. Please also note that I live and have lived in the FSU for almost a decade and been visiting,working and living in the region since 1998. Over that time I have known quite a few women who ended up in relationships with foreign blokes, I have also seen just how blokes shoot themselves in the foot by trying to force women who have very little spare time to spend all their time and more with a bloke they have never met. In almost all cases it ends up with a disappointed man - what the strategy does is to burn through female candidates.

You see Tom's perspective (and it has some justification) is that a scammer will invariably choose to go after a bloke who can give her what she wants very fast. In his model the women are typically just after money - that is only a small part of the panoply of 'gotchas' waiting for the unwary and, frankly, money is about the easiest and least painful of cons. A woman seeking a mule to enable her to self-export to pastures new and green will be happy to take the long route, often with multiple guys, until she attains her goal.

So, the best way, just as with all relationships is to spend time in the company of a real person.

Oftentimes issues like this are more nuanced than is at first apparent. Tom has given good advice about getting on the phone and, if you can using video chat by whatever means you choose. I'd counsel you to NOT make her spend too much time with you, Inquire of her what her comfort zone is and do not exceed it. Remember that she is very likely to have less time than you free to herself and interacting with you will be tiring for her. As things progress you may well find a comfortable pattern that may be quite different to what you start out with.

But you need to get on a plane ASAP, even if for only an extended weekend.

[chelseaboy]

Andrew,

             You seem to have an obsession with mummy tonight.Maybe you need to go and suck on a dummy.

None of us are in the least bit interested in whether video-chat started on HRB or not.
We couldn't care less..capiche ?


Now go and continue your love-in with HRB/RLM ,and instead of fixating about someone else's mummy,chat to some of the girls on there instead.

I hear they're used to chatting with men who are a bit... strange.

Maybe they can help you

By the way,i'm still waiting for your answer as to why HRB/RLM insists that ALL men comply with IMBRA regulations if they want the personal contact details of any girl on that site,including men from the UK.

As you are well aware this is a law that only applies to USA citizens,yet your favourite MOB site is using it to extract more money out of men from outside the USA.

[Vinnvinny]

HRB introduced to the world of Mail Order Brides the idea of using video chat to verify that there was a real person in Russia or Ukraine. They did so years before Skype got round to it. I noted it as a point of reference. As it happens, I know that HRB were very surprised by the degree to which lonely guys wanted to use video chat and undoubtedly it has made them a lot of money.

You write bullshite Andrewfi. On sites such as Anastasia, AFA and HRB the ladies were ALWAYS real and ALWAYS existed. Fat Yuri and other ‘girl not present’ scammers occupied other territories. HRB introduced video chat as a tool to scam more men out of more money, SIMPLES.

[TomT]

I hope that soldier gets on a plane smartish but every day he delays increases his chances of failure.

Soldier, You have a passport and Andrew has a very good point.

Make a plan and work the plan. Double time. Have a back up plan and execute as needed.

AvHdB

The problem with getting on a plane to visit this particular girl is that SN hasn't done his due diligence yet. If his plan was to meet a bunch of random women and one with whom he has been corresponding, that would be different.

[Manny]

None of us are in the least bit interested in whether video-chat started on HRB or not.
We couldn't care less..capiche ?

Interested or not, HRB were the ground-breaking market leader in video chat before most of you folks had ever heard of Skype (I heard of, and used Skype early on as it originated in Estonia). Although what HRB did seven years ago isn't of much relevance on this topic.

By the way,i'm still waiting for your answer as to why HRB/RLM insists that ALL men comply with IMBRA regulations if they want the personal contact details of any girl on that site,including men from the UK.

As you are well aware this is a law that only applies to USA citizens,yet your favourite MOB site is using it to extract more money out of men from outside the USA.

Why are you asking Andrew this? The CEO of HRB/RLM and some of his staff are members here. Why not start a topic, without the ranting and insults, link the CEO to it by PM politely and ask if he might answer your question?

Fluff, ranting and accusations aside, its a fair question. Brits shouldn't need to pay IMBRA charges. However, what this discussion has in common with this topic is um... zero.

Soldier Nurse, on the subject of those emails quoted, and some of the circumstances and stuff posted, it just doesn't ring true to me. A three way call hosted by a competent person would likely clear it up. As you mentioned Ladagirl (my wife), she will be in Russia from next weekend for a month or so and wont be as available as she usually might be during July. If you host the call and can call Russia, it will likely be OK. Get in before next weekend if you plan to use her might be better. Failing which, there are a handful of other service providers the members here have recommended in our services room that will also help you make some progress.

[sharonhaber00]

I miss you and I want to make you a part of my life, I want to have a family with you and to enjoy this life together. I hope you are ready to be this man for me.

Oy vey

It reminds this:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=16370.msg250792#msg250792

Hope I'm wrong...

[andrewfi]

I hope that soldier gets on a plane smartish but every day he delays increases his chances of failure.

Soldier, You have a passport and Andrew has a very good point.

Make a plan and work the plan. Double time. Have a back up plan and execute as needed.

AvHdB

The problem with getting on a plane to visit this particular girl is that SN hasn't done his due diligence yet. If his plan was to meet a bunch of random women and one with whom he has been corresponding, that would be different.

Thing is Tom is where to do that DD? OK, the fone is better than email, I think that even folks like Chelseaboy and others are getting that idea by now. However it is not the same as meeting a real person,
Soldierboy has told us that this woman is only one of several candidates.

The best and fastest DD is simply to meet a person. If she wants hm to send money for her sick water buffalo or grandmothers urgent surgical procedure then a speedy visit will either flush it out OR cause her to drop out.
If she is playing a longer game then that is going to have to stand up to meetings and SHE will already be ready for it. One way or another most scams do not stand up to personal inspection - as long as the intended mark remembers that there is no such thing as a free lunch and that if something seems too good to be true then it almost always IS too good to be true.

That's why it is sensible to go out meet several (many) women, include out the instant none contenders and then narrow the field. At the moment all that SB has is a single roll of the dice and I am certain that most of us choose our partners from a field great than unity.

I make no comment about her messages they mean very little at this point, it is like reading tea leaves or coffee grounds.

SoldierNurse, if you are working on nursing staff I take it that you work shifts, so you might be seeing three day or maybe 4 day 'weekends', yes?
As I recall there is usually a little flexibility, swapped shifts and suchlike that'd help here. If you are serious about this malarkey then I'd be looking at making and using these opportunities to be getting on a plane. No money lost, no work time lost. Also, can overtime get repaid as time off in lieu or does it always have to be as cash?

[TomT]

Natalia has profile #416558 on HRB. The photos are the same as on AFA, which isn't surprising because agencies buy, sell, trade and steal profiles. Since she is dealing with her local agency, she may not even be aware of her profile on HRB.

She has to be aware of her three-year-old profile on Angelika, however, because the photos are completely different, aren't professional and are of a teenaged Natalia. 

[JayH]

To the OP--- all the advice is here in one form or another -- even from people that I do not agree with about too much.
Manny has made good offer to settle via SKYPE-- although that will not necessarily be conclusive.I would be asking her if she is using her own computer and if she has webcam.The real cost of HRB/RLM to join and buy some time  is not that great a cost-- and site is very easy to use( definately no affiliation whatsoever).It has webcam -- albeit not the talking kind-- but you can see her live and do some simple tests-- not as good as Skype. If she has own computer and webcam & inet access-- no reason not to go to Skype.
Getting her number,direct email and an address( if she gives you that I would send flowers from independent source).
You will spend a few hundred( say $350-$50 to join,$200 to chat and email $100 for flowers)  this way and save yourself a lot of thinking--real names and addresses can be checked.Then plan on going to visit-- try and make arrangement without agency involvement--if she agrees to that it will tell you a lot.
 Last-- even if-- she is a "professional" on sites--it does not mean that you cannot still create a relationship.It does mean you need to keep thinking with your head( not the other part of your anatomy that will have a big interest in your motivation!).
The key for me is to move to "real life" relationship as soon as possible at each stage rather than cyberspace.If she is genuinely interested-- she will still be cautious about you- dont forget that.
Pass all those hurdles and plan on visit!

[doc holiday]

SoldierNurse,

You have to figure this out soon.  Several experienced members have given you advice on how to determine if this girl is legitimate.  Video Skype chats, casually asking her questions that she could only answer if she was legit, or hopping on a plane for a long weekend would most likely give you the answers you need.  I would not advocate the latter, but it would most likely work.  I think you need to do something though.  Another 6-7 months just seems too long.  It would be terrible to invest so much of yourself and find out there was never a chance to begin with.

I had a lengthy internet courtship with my lady and looking back I have no idea how it managed to work and how I got so lucky.  I really have no idea how she stayed interested.  That said, we had spoken on the phone and had personal e-mail correspondence within a few days of initial contact.  So, while I had no idea if we would care for each other when we met, I knew early on that she was real and I had good reason to believe her interest in me was real.

Good luck.

[mendeleyev]

I don't think most of you young whippersnappers understand how long myself, Brass, Tom, Skype and even Facebook have been around...   


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