UK Spouse and child Visa, how to from start to finish, all help very welcome

[dazzer]

Paperwork/and other stuff ( Ukraine side ).

Marriage certificate....Sent too/ now returned from kiev with required certified apostle ( I will be having this certified translated to English, for the Visa application ).

My wife and child's passports ( again to be cert/trans accordingly ).

My wife and child's birth certificates ( same again ).

I think that's all required that side, if not please advise accordingly.

Regards
Dazzer

[Manny]

I think you are only up the road somewhere? Oldham, Chadderton, Middleton way?

If it helps out, before you send your application off, I can give it a once over - maybe one Saturday morning? It might cost you a full English brekky   or at a push, a skinny latte somewhere. 

[dazzer]

I think you are only up the road somewhere? Oldham, Chadderton, Middleton way?

If it helps out, before you send your application off, I can give it a once over - maybe one Saturday morning? It might cost you a full English brekky   or at a push, a skinny latte somewhere. 

Thats a very kind offer manny, it would indeed be a great help thank you , "I'm up the road Middleton", but don't worry about the travel, i can make my way up to your place, we then can go over the application, and while doing so, no doubt your wife will be in the kitchen preparing our breakfast , I'm only kidding, I'm sure we can find somewhere up your end.

I work every Saturday, my days off are Thursdays and Sundays, so whatever suits you best, anyway i will PM you nearer the time, bring some Paracetamol .

With the arrival of Viola god bless her, we do have some certain constraints, as regards how we go about all this, Oksana didn't take my name, Viola was to do so, upon my visit this month, it was important that i did just that during the week of my visit, this i did, and now the birth certificate as been sent to Kiev to be apostled ( Kiev is the only place this can be done ).

When i visit on April 16th, the next stage is to apply for Viola's passport ( this can take up to a month to acquire ), anyway only upon my return to England, with the knowledge that It's all in hand, will i then feel i can engage the application, and our zaftrak,.

In the meantime i aim to continue, learning what i can with the help of others like you whom have been through it all ( I'm not that daft, that i would attempt this on my own) ,

Speaking of which, have i covered all the Ukraine paperwork side?.

Thanks again

[Chris]

Paperwork/and other stuff ( Ukraine side ).

Marriage certificate....Sent too/ now returned from kiev with required certified apostle ( I will be having this certified translated to English, for the Visa application ).

My wife and child's passports ( again to be cert/trans accordingly ).

My wife and child's birth certificates ( same again ).

I think that's all required that side, if not please advise accordingly.

Regards
Dazzer

Dazzer

Just make sure you have copies of everything, I mean copies of the originals and copies of the translated and notarised documents too, sometimes you don't get things back from the Ukrainian authorities, so best to have a copy stored safely somewhere.

[sparky114]

Paperwork/and other stuff ( Ukraine side ).

Marriage certificate....Sent too/ now returned from kiev with required certified apostle ( I will be having this certified translated to English, for the Visa application ).

My wife and child's passports ( again to be cert/trans accordingly ).

My wife and child's birth certificates ( same again ).

I think that's all required that side, if not please advise accordingly.

Regards
Dazzer

Dazzer

Just make sure you have copies of everything, I mean copies of the originals and copies of the translated and notarised documents too, sometimes you don't get things back from the Ukrainian authorities, so best to have a copy stored safely somewhere.

As Chris says it pays to have copies

I always took copies with me of everything it only takes your case to get lost or delayed then all hell breaks out

If you want more info on how often cases get lost or delayed ask Chris 

[Chris]

If you want more info on how often cases get lost or delayed ask Chris 

Well its like this, once upon a time there was an Airline called KLM, one called Air France and another called Ukrainian International, all belonged to the same group and all can loose cases for fun, but thats for another thread 

[dazzer]

Thanks Chris and Sparky .

As regards having " copies of documents", we do have two marriage certificates, and two birth certificates for Violetta, of course only one of each will have been certified through Kiev, should i send the 2nd copies to be certified , given the point raised, this week i will set about making 2nd copies of our emails and so on.

Also once again just to be clear ( something of which doesn't always apply to me )  , but.... have i covered all the paperwork for the Ukraine side .

[sparky114]

Thanks Chris and Sparky .

As regards having " copies of documents", we do have two marriage certificates, and two birth certificates for Violetta, of course only one of each will have been certified through Kiev, should i send the 2nd copies to be certified , given the point raised, this week i will set about making 2nd copies of our emails and so on.

Also once again just to be clear ( something of which doesn't always apply to me )  , but.... have i covered all the paperwork for the Ukraine side .

As far as getting multiple copies of your main documents certified and Apostilled then i think there is no point, i did not and i am sure Chris never paid for two lots.....all we are trying to say here is have a spare copy somewhere that if you are over there and things get lost then you are safe in the knowledge that you have a spare

Yes Dazzer that means you need to photocopy the documents after they have been certified again 

As for have you covered all the bases then Chris will help you but it sounds like you are on the right track

Do not forget all your Wife and your daughters documents will have to be translated and notorised into English for your application for a spouse visa and for your Child Visa


Mark

[Chris]

Thanks Chris and Sparky .

As regards having " copies of documents", we do have two marriage certificates, and two birth certificates for Violetta, of course only one of each will have been certified through Kiev, should i send the 2nd copies to be certified , given the point raised, this week i will set about making 2nd copies of our emails and so on.

Also once again just to be clear ( something of which doesn't always apply to me )  , but.... have i covered all the paperwork for the Ukraine side .

As far as getting multiple copies of your main documents certified and Apostilled then i think there is no point, i did not and i am sure Chris never paid for two lots.....all we are trying to say here is have a spare copy somewhere that if you are over there and things get lost then you are safe in the knowledge that you have a spare

Yes Dazzer that means you need to photocopy the documents after they have been certified again 

As for have you covered all the bases then Chris will help you but it sounds like you are on the right track

Do not forget all your Wife and your daughters documents will have to be translated and notorised into English for your application for a spouse visa and for your Child Visa


Mark

What Mark said 

[heijdenj]

I'm surprised how difficult UK visa is. Ours doesn't care about your bank account, just your monthly income needs to be above a certain level (EUR 1.480,91 net when not married, EUR 1.234,09 net when married). Employer needs to provide a document confirming this and to confirm taxes are being paid etc. I need to provide 3 months salary slips + copy of contract.

It's not required to send a copy of my bank statements etc

Maybe I'm a little  , but I just needed to respond.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that  it is more difficult to get a UK visa then a Netherlands visa... Here (in the Netherlands) actually you need to get two visas (MVV, the so-called d-visa which gets you in the country, and then immediately the VVR (1 year residence visa)). Additionally, you need to pass a language exam as well as a society exam before being allowed to apply for these visa and the required level of knowledge will be shortly raised (i think July 1st) to make this exam more of a selection criterion in stead of simply an additional tax (try to study for a language exam from a remote location in Russia where no translator, leave alone Dutch instructor can be found for miles and miles). I am not aware of any country which has this kind of requirement. There are more barriers coming up, but these have not been announced yet and will not be implemented shortly.

But the main reason for responding is that the message is incorrect: There is actually no difference for the Dutch government in being married or not. I think you are confused between "gezinsvorming" which translates to "formation of a family" and "gezinsherreniging" which roughly translates to "family reunion". The difference between both being the fact that "formation of a family" is used when at the moment the relationship started, one of the partners lives in the Netherlands. When "family Reunion" is used, you can bet your last dollar that the government will verify rigorously that you are not misusing this option.

The main difference between both is the required income level to be successfull in the application: 120% of the minimum wage for "formation of a family" which amounts to € 1554,08 incl. vacantion-money or € 1476,38 excl. vacantion-money. The income level required to be successfull is 100% of the minimum wage for "family reunion", which amounts to € 1.295,07 incl. vacation-money or € 1.230,32 excl. vacation-money. It is beyond me why this distinction is made in the law. Either the required minimum money the two partners require to have a decent living is 120% of the minimum wage or it is 100%. Most probably it is an additional barrier against immigration. It is required to have a contract which will last at least a year on the day of the application for the visa.

Note: I am not sure, but the distinction incl. or excl. vacation money has to do with a difference in being in paid employment versus owning ones own company, I believe.

Jan

[Herrie]

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A long story...
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Yes you're correct about the 2 different amounts. I think it's silly too to distinguish between the 2 different grounds for applying for a visa, but OK, that's how it is.

Anyway I get way above their income requirements so it's not a problem at all.

I was in general referring to the fact that the documentation requirements for NL are a bit less strict compared to the UK.

I know all the other requirements for the language and society exam, but then again it's not THAT difficult. You only need to get a score of 16 on a scale of 10-80 or 10-90 to pass. There are plenty of examples available online. It's not easy, but with reasonable effort you should be able to pass. Best would be to get a score of 37+ so you don't need to do a part of the "inburgering" in NL.

The questions about society are just plain simple memorizing, anyone can do that. You get 100 questions you need to memorize, of these you'll get 30 at the exam.

They nowhere check your ability to read or write even!

[heijdenj]

Herrie,

Probably in the long story and the numbers my arguments were lost.

- I was responding to factual mistakes (marriage being the reason of the different salary requirements).
- I was responding to your statement "how difficult UK visa is" simply because of a little more administrative paperwork (little work I
  guess) compared to the Netherlands, where we have an exam (granted doable with reasonable effort, but still...).

Btw, rest assured, the writing tests will come.

Sorry dazzer, for dirtying your topic. I will be gone, as I have no knowledge of the UK visa process and thus can't help you.

[Herrie]

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- I was responding to factual mistakes (marriage being the reason of the different salary requirements).
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You're right. Though I personally think that when you're married it should be "gezinshereniging" and not "gezinsvorming" but that's another discussion

[dazzer]

Sorry dazzer, for dirtying your topic. I will be gone, as I have no knowledge of the UK visa process and thus can't help you.

Apology excepted .

BTW....Don't be so sure you can't "Help" me

Thanks Chris and Sparky .

As regards having " copies of documents", we do have two marriage certificates, and two birth certificates for Violetta, of course only one of each will have been certified through Kiev, should i send the 2nd copies to be certified , given the point raised, this week i will set about making 2nd copies of our emails and so on.

Also once again just to be clear ( something of which doesn't always apply to me )  , but.... have i covered all the paperwork for the Ukraine side .

As far as getting multiple copies of your main documents certified and Apostilled then i think there is no point, i did not and i am sure Chris never paid for two lots.....all we are trying to say here is have a spare copy somewhere that if you are over there and things get lost then you are safe in the knowledge that you have a spare

Yes Dazzer that means you need to photocopy the documents after they have been certified again 

As for have you covered all the bases then Chris will help you but it sounds like you are on the right track

Do not forget all your Wife and your daughters documents will have to be translated and notorised into English for your application for a spouse visa and for your Child Visa


Mark

What Mark said 

Thanks Mark and Chris .

I will be having their  "documents translated and then notarised from Ukraine to English".

The point raised about, the danger of  documents becoming lost, or perhaps not being returned after being received by the perspective Ukrainian administration departments, and that by having "all documents photocopied after being certified" to act as a safety net so to speak, is a very good one, not something i would of thought about, I'm glad you guys have, and i  will be sure to do just that.

Tomorrow ( my day off work ), i will be posting my next set of questions, or should i say puzzles, because the next bit is where it gets really puzzling for me  , and I'm not joking

[sparky114]

Tomorrow ( my day off work ), i will be posting my next set of questions, or should i say puzzles, because the next bit is where it gets really puzzling for me  , and I'm not joking

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