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Title: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on April 21, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: yankee on April 21, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, the Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 21, 2019, 01:58:27 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

No joke. I am an absolute fan of Zelensky during many years.

Happy for Ukrainians who voted for a change - and made it in a civilized and peaceful manner.

 :uaflag:

This is another nail out of Putin's throne - because one of the favourite phrases of Putin's propagandists ("if not Putin - then you will get the same chaos, like in Ukraine!") will not be valid anymore.

 :GRAVE:


Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2019, 02:20:47 PM
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: BillyB on April 21, 2019, 02:49:36 PM

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Markje on April 21, 2019, 05:27:06 PM

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.
My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: yankee on April 21, 2019, 05:56:22 PM

When the Ukrainian people ousted Yanukovych, they failed to oust their local politicians. That's why they continue to have corrupt government. A new president can't change things by himself.
My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad

Kolomoisky (sp?)
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Manny on April 21, 2019, 06:34:47 PM
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Manny on April 21, 2019, 06:36:13 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

Almost as bizarre as America electing a reality TV star as president.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Guile on April 21, 2019, 07:05:36 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:

Almost as bizarre as America electing a reality TV star as president.

Trump was a well known businessman well before doing a TV show.  Well if we can elect Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor of California anything is possible!
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Markje on April 21, 2019, 07:05:48 PM
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.
I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join voulentary.. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: BillyB on April 21, 2019, 09:15:53 PM
Let us see what happens.

Don't for one second imagine that he is a free agent or master of his own (or Ukraine's) destiny.

Is he an American puppet though? That is the question. And what is his attitude to Russia?

I’m glad Porky has gone.
I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join voulentary.. Just a thought.

It takes at least two to decide to end a war. If the new prez decides to take Ukraine on the path to the West, the war will never end. If the new prez takes Ukraine on the path to Russia, Putin will tell the rebels to back off.

Although Ukrainians felt there was rampant corruption in their government, Poroshenko is a better man than they thought. He didn't rig the elections to win. With free elections, hopefully they will see the same success as Poland in the post Soviet years.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2019, 11:26:19 PM
What world do you live in Billy?
Is it one where rainbow colored unicorns shit chocolate ice cream?

Poroshenko was all over the election. But it isn't possible to overturn a 40% delta. One can get away with a few percent, not more.

Outside the ballot box there was all sorts of stuff going on, including suggestions from Poroshenko operatives that Zelensky was a Russian project, complete with 'leaked emails'. It might have been believable had it not been so badly done.

Given the circumstances, if Zelensky is not already a stalking horse for somebody, and as I alluded a couple of weeks ago, that's likely to be Kolomoiski, then he soon will be. He does not have a team with the knowledge or connections to avoid falling under the control of external forces.

Assuming that he is, right now, independent will need to choose a team and that team will control him. When one chooses advisors and enforcers one has to accept what they say and do because one person can not run an entire political mechanism or country. Look at Trump to see that in action. Trump was vastly more experienced and demonstrably better at running a large organisation than is Zelensky but he has been tied down by his advisors at every turn.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on April 21, 2019, 11:40:32 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2019, 11:55:43 PM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

This does rather go to show that the masters in Ukraine either have a great sense of humour or absolutely no respect for the sheeple they own. (possibly both). At the same time, it shows just how corrupt the entire system is. Not one person running who was not a thief or paid pretender. And Ukrainians had to choose from such a field of contenders.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 22, 2019, 01:57:47 AM

I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join volentary.  Just a thought.

This is exactly what Zelensky wants to do. Instead of blaming DNR & LNR people for being "separatists" and screaming that they all shall be exterminated, he plans to start a massive propaganda saying "You're Ukrainians, you're "ours", we're waiting for you, please come back".
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on April 22, 2019, 02:05:14 AM

My wife believes the newly elected prez is a puppet for an oligarch (forgot his name), and he will perform equally bad

*I* suggested this MIGHT be the case  ( on the other thread) ..

*You* told me you hadn't heard that  :chuckle:

Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: yankee on April 22, 2019, 04:15:36 AM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

You don't have a clue do you?


Perhaps you didn't know that he was financed by a Jewish oligarch (Kolomoisky) that lives in Israel.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 22, 2019, 04:56:55 AM

I hope that if he manages to do 1 thing, it will be to keep his promise to end the war in the donbass region. Porky has shown that more aggressiveness wont work.

If you cease-fire and start operating like a normal state, perhaps they will re-join volentary.  Just a thought.

This is exactly what Zelensky wants to do. Instead of blaming DNR & LNR people for being "separatists" and screaming that they all shall be exterminated, he plans to start a massive propaganda saying "You're Ukrainians, you're "ours", we're waiting for you, please come back".

Propaganda is not needed. He has already stated that he has no intention of abiding by the agreements already made with the DPR/LPR in concert with the EU and Russia as co-signatories. There is also no intention to treat the people as Ukrainians by paying the people's pensions or carrying out the normal administration of a state for its citizens by providing passports, birth certificates, and death certificates.

If his new administration carries out the obligations of the state to citizens and starts to abide by the agreements made with those people then propaganda will not be needed. The framework for restoration of the DPR/LPR to the rump of Ukraine is already agreed, it merely lacks in implementation from the Ukrainian government. Crimea is, of course, a different matter. In Crimea, the people have spoken, made a clear choice and are implementing the choice every day.

As is so often the case, actions will speak louder than words.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 22, 2019, 08:14:26 AM
Propaganda is not needed.
He has already stated that he has no intention of abiding by the agreements already made with the DPR/LPR in concert with the EU and Russia as co-signatories.
There is also no intention to treat the people as Ukrainians by paying the people's pensions or carrying out the normal administration of a state for its citizens by providing passports, birth certificates, and death certificates.

When and where he said that? Do you have a link, please?
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Manny on April 22, 2019, 08:41:20 AM
This is by the by. The breakaway regions have left what remains of Ukraine. I doubt they’ll be returning after being shelled by them the last year or two.

They broke away because they wanted to. If the new bloke is Jewish and being financed from Israel, that means it’s quite likely the US is behind it again. Different puppet, same puppet master. No change there then. Just the illusion of democracy; like Brexit.

TV personality becomes prez, just like the US. You couldn’t make it up.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on April 22, 2019, 09:26:38 AM
No joke, a comedian who had played a comedian on tv who was elected to Ukraine’s highest office has pulled the same thing off in real life!  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/the-latest-corruption-dire-economy-key-issues-in-ukraine/2019/04/21/8216268e-640e-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

So, Ukraine is now ruled by an Israeli Jew?

So is the USA in case you didn’t notice, a large cabal of them.

You don't have a clue do you?


Perhaps you didn't know that he was financed by a Jewish oligarch (Kolomoisky) that lives in Israel.

You’re the one who doesn’t have a frigging clue, just who do you think are the puppet masters controlling our media and controlling US foreign policy?

Do you even read any material by real journalists?
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 22, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Olga, he has said that he intends to follow the current administrative policies with regard to LPR/DPR so, that means abrogation of the Minsk Accord and no payments to Ukrainian citizens in the DPR/LPR and none of the normal support of citizens. If you need to find something to support the opposite contention I would be as interested as you to see it.

Sadly, you are hoping for something that does not exist.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: BillyB on April 22, 2019, 09:48:38 PM
Poroshenko was all over the election. But it isn't possible to overturn a 40% delta. One can get away with a few percent, not more.


Get away with a few percent? Assad and Saddam Insane routinely got 100% or near that in every one of their elections. There's ways to get away with more than a few percent.

Crimea is, of course, a different matter. In Crimea, the people have spoken, made a clear choice and are implementing the choice every day.


Votes like the one in Crimea are illegal in most nations. In every election of every nation some region doesn't get the leader they want and threaten to leave. Ukraine's Constitution Article 73 prevents that. If borders are to be changed, everyone in the nation gets to vote on that, not those living in the region that wants to leave.

Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on April 23, 2019, 02:50:53 AM
I doubt they’ll be returning after being shelled by them the last year or two.



Thanks, for once more providing your intimate knowledge of the region

There are many viewpoints and competing factions within the 'rebel' regions and not all even wanted to 'leave' Ukraine ..

Doubt me ? HOW many 'leaders' have their been ?
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on April 23, 2019, 03:31:56 AM
Moscow not - yet - in contact to congratulate the winner

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-election-volodymyr-zelensky-putin-congratulate-comedian-a8881051.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-election-volodymyr-zelensky-putin-congratulate-comedian-a8881051.html)

It seems that the 'games' between Kyiv and moscow are continuing with Moscow  upping energy tariffs on a Ukraine overly reliant on Moscow for same and rumours that the Kremlin is considering issuing RU passports to UA citizens who live in the 'rebel' held areas

How can a Kremlin spokesman 'bemoan' 3.5 million disenfranchised UA voters from taking part in the Presidential elections ?!

 

Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: yankee on April 23, 2019, 06:23:37 AM
Poroshenko was all over the election. But it isn't possible to overturn a 40% delta. One can get away with a few percent, not more.


Get away with a few percent? Assad and Saddam Insane routinely got 100% or near that in every one of their elections. There's ways to get away with more than a few percent.

Crimea is, of course, a different matter. In Crimea, the people have spoken, made a clear choice and are implementing the choice every day.


Votes like the one in Crimea are illegal in most nations. In every election of every nation some region doesn't get the leader they want and threaten to leave. Ukraine's Constitution Article 73 prevents that. If borders are to be changed, everyone in the nation gets to vote on that, not those living in the region that wants to leave.

It would be nice if California and New York and Massachusetts would decide to leave the USA.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Steveboy on April 23, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
The outgoing dick head already has a new job!!   :ROFL: :ROFL:

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57484543_2173627676282018_4299070175178653696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_eui2=AeGhVif8FH__rk2D2GxUjTq7QQG8XNBHRdY7NP8_oOeCFgDU7Ijql2O-fqbCVODyJ1RuV9wL7dlIckOZ64me7dfMCSraZJuDdJeW1OSn_4vKIA&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=1501fdf8c77041dcd1e28833d4170d24&oe=5D2CB707)
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 24, 2019, 12:17:42 AM
Actually, Billy, they are not. But you'd need to understand the difference between government and state to grasp the point. The right of people to choose their own destiny is embodied in international law and supported by precedent that was enforced militarily by the democracy bringing bombs of your adopted country.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: BillyB on April 24, 2019, 11:54:04 PM
The right of people to choose their own destiny is embodied in international law


Wonderful. I should have everyone in my family vote to secede from the city, county, state, and federal territories. If I break their laws, they can't arrest me. I won't have to pay taxes either and the international community will respect my choices.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on April 25, 2019, 12:14:58 AM
Actually, Billy, they are not. But you'd need to understand the difference between government and state to grasp the point. The right of people to choose their own destiny is embodied in international law and supported by precedent that was enforced militarily by the democracy bringing bombs of your adopted country.

The right of people to choose their own destiny?

That didn’t turn out very well for Chechnya the first time and it’s not turning out very well for a certain ethnic minority in Crimea who were sent to Gulags by Stalin.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2019, 01:45:42 AM
When the best argument you have is ill-informed anachronistic whataboutism rather than data and analysis then you did not only lose the argument, you were never even taking part.

Stalin was not Russian, did not lead the Russian Federation and thus is irrelevant and sending people to prison is not in any way analogous to a majority of a population making a choice about their political future.

Chechnya was a civil war fomented from outside and was not in any way analogous to the Crimea case. But yes, we get it, some people DID get left behind in the Land of the Free, it must suck that you had to be one of them.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: MissileMe on April 25, 2019, 02:12:40 AM
This is by the by. The breakaway regions have left what remains of Ukraine. I doubt they’ll be returning after being shelled by them the last year or two.

They broke away because they wanted to. If the new bloke is Jewish and being financed from Israel, that means it’s quite likely the US is behind it again. Different puppet, same puppet master. No change there then. Just the illusion of democracy; like Brexit.

TV personality becomes prez, just like the US. You couldn’t make it up.

Manny,  you will know if USA is still behind, when IMF makes a decision to juice Ukraine with more funding.  If it decides not to, then USA and EU is done meddling with Ukraine.  If they give more funding,  Ukraine goes down the crapper more since the next and next next generation will be paying IMF dues.

The name of the game is  destitiution.    They want to create a chaotic nation in the back yard of Russia to sap power and concentration from them.   Which country in the right mind wants a bankrupt, defaulted,  volatile nation which shelters a fair number of their own people?

Personally I have a feeling,  USA and EU are done meddling with Ukraine for some time.   There is enough financial data right now to prove that the stock market in the US is the last phase of the melt up and from here on,  precious metals might  take off when a major correction happens. 

If this happens,  war cycles will be spooling to their apex and Ukraine is not going to be on the top priority for USA or EU.  They will have more problems and lack of money will force them to leave Ukraine alone.  Look at it this way,  there's more money to be made outside of little Ukraine by people like Biden

Ukraine may default within a few years,  maybe 2020/2021.   This will inevitably bring back people like Fart Princess Timmy,  Candyman Porky, and the rest and rub the fact into the noses of the Ukrainians that Ukraine can't be run by a comedian.  Which is the reason why you have to vote for crooks such as them.

Ukrainians being docile and living on hope alone will eventually go back to these crooks.   But not before 10% of their nation gets wiped out,  land gets confiscated by the Chinese,  and women flock to Italy as prostitutes.   If all this happens,  we'll see another famine.   Funny thing is,  famines tend to repeat itself.   Mostly because of bad politics.   Ukraine's got a lot of that. 

BTW,  Italy is in trouble.   Their recession is going to be a full blown depression that EU won't be able to ignore.    Things are starting to look really ugly in all of Europe.   Portugal's probably next when their real estate bubble pops.   

As for Ukraine,  I can't see how this country would not be balcanized into 2-3 parts.   If I didn't already own two expensive apartments in Kiev,  I would buy one in Lviv,  so when Poland takes over Lviv,   my wife can claim EU residency so that she will have an easier time spending more time  and money in Europe.  I can only hope.   LOL 

Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on April 25, 2019, 07:44:28 AM
When the best argument you have is ill-informed anachronistic whataboutism rather than data and analysis then you did not only lose the argument, you were never even taking part.

Stalin was not Russian, did not lead the Russian Federation and thus is irrelevant and sending people to prison is not in any way analogous to a majority of a population making a choice about their political future.

Chechnya was a civil war fomented from outside and was not in any way analogous to the Crimea case. But yes, we get it, some people DID get left behind in the Land of the Free, it must suck that you had to be one of them.

Putin idolizes Stalin you twit. If Putin thought he could put all of the Tatar’s in boxcars and send them to Siberia he would probably also do so. As it is they’re being treated like terrorists on their native land.

The invasion and annexation of Crimea is the ultimate “whataboutism” we’re always told about US actions as a response to any critical analysis.

Chechnya was a civil war?  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Markje on April 25, 2019, 08:51:12 AM
When the best argument you have is ill-informed anachronistic whataboutism rather than data and analysis then you did not only lose the argument, you were never even taking part.

Stalin was not Russian, did not lead the Russian Federation and thus is irrelevant and sending people to prison is not in any way analogous to a majority of a population making a choice about their political future.

Chechnya was a civil war fomented from outside and was not in any way analogous to the Crimea case. But yes, we get it, some people DID get left behind in the Land of the Free, it must suck that you had to be one of them.

Putin idolizes Stalin you twit. If Putin thought he could put all of the Tatar’s in boxcars and send them to Siberia he would probably also do so. As it is they’re being treated like terrorists on their native land.

The invasion and annexation of Crimea is the ultimate “whataboutism” we’re always told about US actions as a response to any critical analysis.

Chechnya was a civil war?  :ROFL:

Stalin was forced to send tatars away because of their conduct in ww2. t would be mass genocide if he lingered. so why would putin want to send them away now.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2019, 10:59:25 AM
Confederate, where do you get your silly ideas from? Do you make them up or do you have a source for these made up ideas.
I have never seen anything to support your fantasy claim and, unlike you, I tend to rely upon factual sources rather than fiction or my imagination.

Give me a chance to learn something. Please, just one authoritative link to anything that has Putin either saying, or writing such a stupid thing.

Left behind still. Left behind again.
You can learn, we can all learn, it is a choice and becomes easier with practice.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: AvHdB on April 25, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
There is already a battle developing between the president elect and the entrenched government. It seems the electoral commission are unwilling to certify the results. This means that the delay will prevent an earlier vote for a new Rada.

One must admit Ukraine is everything including amusing in how things 'work'.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Markje on April 25, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
There is already a battle developing between the president elect and the entrenched government. It seems the electoral commission are unwilling to certify the results. This means that the delay will prevent an earlier vote for a new Rada.

One must admit Ukraine is everything including amusing in how things 'work'.


i loved the youtubes when it came to yatsenyuk starring. Especially that police-academy/blue-oyster one with yats was brilliant.

Original event:
Funny 1:
Blue oyster bar, take note of the iconic music, 3 scenes (those offended by gays, do not watch :
Yatsenyuk meets blue oyster:
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2019, 03:57:31 PM
There is already a battle developing between the president elect and the entrenched government. It seems the electoral commission are unwilling to certify the results. This means that the delay will prevent an earlier vote for a new Rada.

One must admit Ukraine is everything including amusing in how things 'work'.


Porky and backers are going to try lots of stuff to delay his leaving. There was no way to cover up his election defeat through vote rigging, but if the electoral commission can claim that somebody else rigged the elections - for example, the Russians then doors open. Zelensky has already been accused of being a Putin tool so the groundwork has been laid.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on April 26, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
Andrewfi walks onto a mine ..

When the best argument you have is ill-informed anachronistic whataboutism rather than data and analysis then you did not only lose the argument, you were never even taking part.[/quote[

..and here it comes ..

Chechnya was a civil war fomented from outside and was not in any way analogous to the Crimea case. But yes, we get it, some people DID get left behind in the Land of the Free, it must suck that you had to be one of them.

NO.. it was a former SSR that chose NOT to join the RF and was forced to...
The west made noises about the aerial bombing and 'missiling'  of Grosny - with 100k civilians killed ..not much more ..




Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: redroo on May 20, 2019, 10:35:08 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-21/ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskiy-calls-snap-election/11132614?smid=Page:%20ABC%20News-Facebook_Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf213027948=1&fbclid=IwAR0lfVj_BRkUa long forgotten forumo8uYXRdwZ5HNXlvvgD5cFA4E6t-VU0P0BJLX7aAvv5Ds

Well, That's a good start.
He had no chance with the Parliament the way it was
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: andrewfi on May 21, 2019, 01:38:25 AM
Moby, why use silly language to show you don't know what you are taking about?

Go get a job or something to fill up those empty unproductive hours.

Of course the RF did not want to lose Chechnya, but the impetus to leave came from outside the country. It was an early form of the so-called Colour Revolutions and due to the weakened condition of the RF at the time, very nearly succeeded.

Sadly, just as happened with subsequent iterations of the revolution franchise, many people fell into believing that they were involved in something 'real' with tragic consequences. But, yes, that's part of the colour revolution process. These days governments targeted for this activity know how the process works and take great steps to ensure that participants can not remain unaware of the manipulation and so the colour revolution concept seems to be becoming less relevant. See Venezuela for an example of how government and state are able to counter this type of activity through information and counter publicity.
Title: Re: Zelenskiy President of Ukraine
Post by: AvHdB on May 21, 2019, 11:09:19 AM
Well Zelenskiy has a new role!

As promised he has dissolved the Rada. Seeing there approval 'rating' is lower than the traffic police amongst Ukrainian citizens, what harm I wonder. New elections are scheduled for the summer. Time will show the reality.
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on May 22, 2019, 03:24:08 AM
Moby, why use silly language to show you don't know what you are taking about?

From the guy who has been a serial failure on :

1/ How Oligarch's got started - voucher scheme

2/ UK Visa applications

3/ Estimations of other's lives

That is amusing


Go get a job or something to fill up those empty unproductive hours.

As ever, you really must stop comparing your life to mine... and try to make a valid 'riposte' when busted

Of course the RF did not want to lose Chechnya,

Chechn'ya NEVER agreed to join the RF ( when the USSR broke up)  - so how could it lose it ?  Once again - your knowledge of things FSU is astoundingly weak

but the impetus to leave came from outside the country. It was an early form of the so-called Colour Revolutions and due to the weakened condition of the RF at the time, very nearly succeeded.

Tosh..Chechens were left in relative peace until - from 94-99 - until they kicked off rebellion in neighbouring Dagestan ..Chechen mercenaries were used in Donbas ...   It is crystal clear you're no expert on the Caucasu Regions...   


Sadly, just as happened with subsequent iterations of the revolution franchise, many people fell into believing that they were involved in something 'real' with tragic consequences. But, yes, that's part of the colour revolution process. These days governments targeted for this activity know how the process works and take great steps to ensure that participants can not remain unaware of the manipulation and so the colour revolution concept seems to be becoming less relevant. See Venezuela for an example of how government and state are able to counter this type of activity through information and counter publicity.

Given the 'colour revolution process'  was not exactly a factor ...  your revisionist version of history has failed,  AGAIN
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: Confederate on June 12, 2019, 12:56:15 PM
What’s going on with Ukraine’s new Comedian in Chief? Any new news?

And no I don’t want anymore trolling from you Moby.  :coffeeread: :chuckle:

THE LAST LAUGH
Ukraine Elects a Television Comic President by a Landslide

https://www.thedailybeast.com/television-comic-volodomyr-zelenskiy-elected-president-of-ukraine-by-a-huge-majority
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: dcguyusa on June 12, 2019, 04:52:44 PM
Well, he appears to be "cleaning house" from yesterday's news.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/zelenskiy-fires-15-governors-proposes-firing-prosecutor-general-lutsenko.html

Quote
"These individuals came to power after Poroshenko dismissed their predecessors ...". (see article)

Bullying or spring cleaning?

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According to media reports, after the incident occurred district police initially said that the boy had fallen and hit his head on the pavement, but when he was hospitalized doctors found that he had a gunshot wound.

So you went from an accidental fall to being shot?   :duh:

https://www.rferl.org/a/bullet-fired-by-drunk-off-duty-cop-kills-5-year-old-boy-in-ukraine-officials/29980653.html
Title: Re: Comedian Zelenskiy Elected President of Ukraine
Post by: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 06:48:35 AM


And no I don’t want anymore trolling from you Moby.  :coffeeread: :chuckle:



'Sorry, 'cornfed' - I missed any reasoned riposte to something you may have disagreed with from behind your screen

Let's see who is appointed in these 'vacated' positions to figure if  President Green is a puppet of Kolomoyskyi