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Title: The Mueller Report
Post by: Manny on April 19, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Here in China the news is full of this.

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I’ve been watching what is utterly bizarre coverage on CNN, masquerading as journalism, it looks like US politicians and journalists are pretending to be completely bent out of shape about Russia as usual.

The takeaway seems to be that they cannot prove anything against Trump so it’s all much ado about nothing.

American media seems to be fixated on the idea that Russia has interfered in American elections. But the detail is lacking, we don’t know exactly what is alleged against them or how they are supposed to have done this.

Anyone any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: Confederate on April 19, 2019, 02:35:06 PM
James Woods said it the best on Twitter:

“Our country has endured two and-a-half years of pure hell because this drunken old hag didn’t get her “turn” (photo of HRC).
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: dcguyusa on April 19, 2019, 04:10:26 PM
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This was a campaign that Trump has all but admitted was not a serious presidential campaign. It was a branding undertaking. And they wanted all the help they could get from wherever they could get, and it’s clear they got a lot from the Russians. An unusual amount. Does it rise to the level of a criminal conspiracy? Apparently not, at least with the evidence that’s available.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/nixon-white-house-lawyer-john-dean-mueller-report-is-more-damning-than-watergate-report/
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: cufflinks on April 19, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
Iirc John Dean is a convicted felon!
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: BillyB on April 19, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
American media seems to be fixated on the idea that Russia has interfered in American elections. But the detail is lacking, we don’t know exactly what is alleged against them or how they are supposed to have done this.

Anyone any thoughts?


I'd be surprised if Russia wasn't interfering in any nations elections. Big nations always try to influence others. I don't agree the US media is fixated on Russia. They are fixated on Trump. They want Trump to be guilty more than they want Russia to be guilty.
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: andrewfi on April 20, 2019, 07:26:42 AM
Billy, there is clearly more than one thread going on here. Sometimes the varying power groups have a common cause and sometimes they differ. There is clearly a very strong anti-Russian streak among a very powerful group. There is clearly a very strong anti-Trump group. It would be a mistake to think that the two groups were the same; however, sometimes their interests overlap.

At the same time as these two groups, there are other groups well-served by seeking common cause with elements of the desires, fetishes, and phobias of the anti-Trumpers and Russophobics. All are guilty of lying and other forms of dishonesty that form part of seditious activity.

At the moment one can, from the outside observer the manner in which the overlapping interests are, to some degree, disengaging.
Title: The Mueller Report
Post by: 2tallbill on April 20, 2019, 09:20:03 AM
Anyone any thoughts?

The left has a hard time accepting the results of a loss.

They would rather blame it on something else to protect their delicate
egos and thin skin. Otherwise they would have to consider that they
nominated a really bad candidate and that their ideas and solutions
for our current problems has been rejected.

The left can't handle that sort of rejection, so it Russia's fault

The left accuses Russia of spending nearly a million dollars to gum up
the works while Hillary spends a billion only to lose. If only Hillary was
as smart as Putin she could have saved hundreds of millions of dollars.
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: msmoby on April 20, 2019, 09:48:05 AM

The left has a hard time accepting the results of a loss.

'loss'

Have you READ the report ?

Oh, hang on a mo... 'quite a lot ' of it is redacted' ...hmm
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: Manny on April 20, 2019, 10:24:51 AM

The left has a hard time accepting the results of a loss.

'loss'

Have you READ the report ?

Oh, hang on a mo... 'quite a lot ' of it is redacted' ...hmm

Indeed. CNN didn’t really elaborate on who did the redacting or why. I generally stay away from American media but in hotels sometimes it’s all you’ve got. I did notice that the coverage was slightly amateurish and they left out a lot of details; it really creates more questions for me. You don’t come away from CNN feeling well informed.
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: BillyB on April 20, 2019, 11:00:03 AM
There is clearly a very strong anti-Russian streak among a very powerful group. There is clearly a very strong anti-Trump group. It would be a mistake to think that the two groups were the same; however, sometimes their interests overlap.


During the run up to the election, Obama, Democrats, and the media didn't bash Russia as much as they're doing now. If Hillary had won the election, you wouldn't be seeing so much hating on Russia from their side as we're seeing now. Obama was allowing the Russian's to affect our 2018 election since he believed Hillary was going to easily win. Obama didn't want to rock the boat.

 In America's 2020 elections, Trump turned off some select areas of Russia's internet so they wouldn't affect our 2020 elections. That was something Obama should've done back a few years ago.

CNN didn’t really elaborate on who did the redacting or why. I generally stay away from American media but in hotels sometimes it’s all you’ve got. I did notice that the coverage was slightly amateurish and they left out a lot of details; it really creates more questions for me. You don’t come away from CNN feeling well informed.

Democrats threatened to call in Mueller for questioning pertaining to Barr's redacted report. Barr and Mueller are GOOD friends. I doubt they will follow through because truth is, Mueller will tell Congress Barr redacted the correct parts and is not hiding anything. Mueller will also say he could not find any American colluding with Russia to affect our elections. Democrats do not want him to say that at a public hearing.

Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: cufflinks on April 22, 2019, 10:22:38 AM
"Quote from: andrewfi on April 20, 2019, 07:26:42 AM
There is clearly a very strong anti-Russian streak among a very powerful group. There is clearly a very strong anti-Trump group. It would be a mistake to think that the two groups were the same; however, sometimes their interests overlap."   

Partially Correct...

NWO : Communism By The Backdoor pt1 (of 21 videos) Use Autoplay to play in sequence.

As evidenced the NWO Globalists exposed therein are using the radical Anti-American Democrat Peoples Marxist Socialist party of America (Bernie, Beto, AOC, Nocahontas, et.al.) to implement Communism and one party Rule with funding and manpower from the 400,000 Chinese Communist party University "Student" intelligence Agents to overthrow the USA from within.

So who stands to gain the most from the NWO Globalists attacks on both the USA and Russia?  Who covets the Land Mass East of the Urals containing the entire periodic table of elements in the ground all the way to the Pacific coast the most?

Communist Red China and their "gasp" City of London NWO Globalist Overlords.

Putin the Russian Nationalist Christian patriot has ensured that Russians Control their Central Bank, have accumulated a massive Treasury of energy resources, Gold, Silver, Platinum and Rare Earths Metals necessary for a modern High Tech Economy and has essentially NO National Debt and recently massively upgraded the Russian Nuclear Capabilities to insure same assets of the Russian People - just the Opposite of the Debt Slavery in the USA, UK, China, EU, and Japan and most of the Globalist IMF subjugate countries around the Globe.

The Clintons, Obamas and their minion Herr Mueller and team are merely Pawns of the NWO Globalistas CFR and Trilateralists doing as they are told by their City of London Superiors...

Title: The Mueller Report
Post by: 2tallbill on April 22, 2019, 01:07:00 PM

'loss'

Have you READ the report ?

Oh, hang on a mo... 'quite a lot ' of it is redacted' ...hmm

If you have a question, comment or argument then state it
otherwise go make senseless noise with somebody else.

Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: 2tallbill on April 22, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
Indeed. CNN didn’t really elaborate on who did the redacting or why. I generally stay away from American media but in hotels sometimes it’s all you’ve got. I did notice that the coverage was slightly amateurish and they left out a lot of details; it really creates more questions for me. You don’t come away from CNN feeling well informed.


CNN went all in with Russian collusion reporting it as if it was a fact and that Trump
would be impeached, but when it became clear that they were wrong they just ignored
all their previous mistakes.

About 10% of the Mueller report was blacked out.

Reasons for redactions
1. A majority of the redactions, about 69 percent in total, were made because the
material related to ongoing investigations.

2. 18 percent of the redactions were based on laws that forbid the disclosure of
grand jury testimony.

3. 8 percent of the redactions were related to classified information that intelligence
officials feared could compromise sensitive sources and methods.

4. 5 percent of the redactions were made because the material infringed on personal
privacy.

Source NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/19/us/politics/redacted-mueller-report.html

 
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: andrewfi on April 22, 2019, 01:26:05 PM
Given the context, one thing that a rational person can safely infer is that as much as was possible was left in the report. At this point there's no win for anything else to happen.

Sadly the US, at some levels, and in some sections, seems ro lack people capable of rational thought.
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: cufflinks on April 22, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
100% Of the Report has been used to hamper a duly elected POTUS and interfere with his ability to effectively implement the M.A.G.A Agenda to make the USA work on behalf of American Patriots (vs NWO Communists Socialist Radical Democrat Party who chant No Borders, No Walls, NO USA at All!).
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: Confederate on April 22, 2019, 04:46:50 PM
100% Of the Report has been used to hamper a duly elected POTUS and interfere with his ability to effectively implement the M.A.G.A Agenda to make the USA work on behalf of American Patriots (vs NWO Communists Socialist Radical Democrat Party who chant No Borders, No Walls, NO USA at All!).

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Mueller Report
Post by: msmoby on April 23, 2019, 03:47:20 AM
Hello, Mikey !

I remember how the kind Republicans were so helpful to expedite 'O'Bama's'  Healthcare program legislation through .. :chuckle: