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Title: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:02:26 AM
Hi guys,

I met a lady on a dating website. Of course it's one of those dating websites that forbids the sharing of any sort of personal contacts within the website & discourages direct contact outside the website. Obviously I don't trust a lady who's interested to communicate with me only on a paid website - where everything one touches cost $$$ - & no where else. So when I asked her to contact me directly via VK, this was her response.

""I don't use the VK, it's forbidden in Ukraine because it's a Russian social network. Do you know that? It's blocked for all Ukrainians.""

Could she be telling the truth? Since when was this ban introduced in Ukraine? How strict is the ban? Are Ukrainians utterly & completely cut off from VK & are unable to access VK at all, no matter what? I ask this 'cause, even when I visited VK today, I could find 100s of Ukrainians from various states on-line & active! So if the former is true how can all these Ukrainians access VK without a problem? Like she wrote, she might have made the personal choice not to use VK. But I don't think it blocked for all Ukrainians. So to me her reply seems like a mix of truth and lie.

What do you personally think of her reply? Is there a social media platform just for Ukrainians? I found a SM website named OK. Is this Russian as well? I have no clue where to go to in order to set this website to English. So I've only managed to create an account with some effort! Please share your thoughts & tips on these. Thanks ahead to everyone. Bye for now.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 03, 2019, 12:46:37 AM
Dear Pete

If you are using a pay per letter site...STOP..

If the lady is real / really interested she would find another way to communicate

3 OK.ru is !classmates'..a SM site to find old school mates..

They..VK and OK are owned by the mail.ru group. ..A Russian company mostly owned by an Uzbek Oligarch  who  keeps good relations with the Kremlin and invests in the west.

My tip..forget the lass and the site..

Sorry
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 03, 2019, 12:56:00 AM
Welcome to RUA

The short answer is your waisting both your time and money. If the woman was sincere she would wish to have direct contact with you.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 04:30:37 AM
@ msmoby & AvHdB

I'm a newbie to all this. So thanks for replying!

Did the banning of Russian social media (VK, OK) really happen in Ukraine? To the point were Ukrainians can't access it at all? That doesn't look like the case at VK when I checked it today.

Yes it is a pay per letter site. (UADreams) I know, I know. There are tons of negative reviews on them. But there are also positive ones. I found a few positive reviews on this forum. I only plan to be with them for a short time. Just testing the waters. Yes I did think the same at first. That if she's interested she would find a way to get in touch directly! The lady blames the dating website's rules that forbids her to exchange direct contact information. Even if she did the middle men translators will edit it out of the letters. Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

How can I sort this out? I tried searching for her on VK but no luck. I went through about 1650 profiles with the same name. But she's not there. Maybe it's like just she said. She does not use VK because it's banned. Any ideas ladies & gentlemen?

Thanks again.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Chris on April 03, 2019, 05:36:33 AM
A quick Google search gives you some information you need.

Ukraine bans its top social networks because they are Russian

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/05/19/ukraine-bans-its-top-social-networks-because-they-are-russian
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Chris on April 03, 2019, 05:37:51 AM

A quick Google search gives you some information you need.

Ukraine bans its top social networks because they are Russian

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/05/19/ukraine-bans-its-top-social-networks-because-they-are-russian


However, as far as I know they are still used in Ukraine by many?
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2019, 05:44:07 AM
@ msmoby & AvHdB

I'm a newbie to all this. So thanks for replying!

Did the banning of Russian social media (VK, OK) really happen in Ukraine? To the point were Ukrainians can't access it at all? That doesn't look like the case at VK when I checked it today.

Yes it is a pay per letter site. (UADreams) I know, I know. There are tons of negative reviews on them. But there are also positive ones. I found a few positive reviews on this forum. I only plan to be with them for a short time. Just testing the waters. Yes I did think the same at first. That if she's interested she would find a way to get in touch directly! The lady blames the dating website's rules that forbids her to exchange direct contact information. Even if she did the middle men translators will edit it out of the letters. Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

How can I sort this out? I tried searching for her on VK but no luck. I went through about 1650 profiles with the same name. But she's not there. Maybe it's like just she said. She does not use VK because it's banned. Any ideas ladies & gentlemen?

Thanks again.

Pete :")

Your wasting your time! And your wasting your time on UA what ever it is.. Also you will NEVER EVER marry any women looking like any of the women your even looking at on UADreams.. never ever in a million years..

You'r even wasting your time asking people on this forum ? Why cos most do not take a blind bit of notice of any advice..

But here is the most truthful advise you will ever get:


You will never ever marry any women who looks like any of the women on UADreams Never ever.. Ukrainian or Russian women who look like those models DO NOT need foreign husbands, not now, not in 10 years not ever..


So are you prepared to just search for a normal looking women? Who maybe pretty or above average? If no.. Give up now..


Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 05:54:23 AM

However, as far as I know they are still used in Ukraine by many?

Thanks Chris for the info! Everything helps!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2019, 05:55:35 AM
Take a look at the images , if your looking for a women to marry from the left..

I will say again You will never ever in a million years marry such women..

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56119591_2020150274750533_5706686057936846848_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=cd1fa6456b68f2b3b5a83dfd12ff3722&oe=5D022FAB)
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 06:06:20 AM

But here is the most truthful advise you will ever get:


You will never ever marry any women who looks like any of the women on UADreams Never ever.. Ukrainian or Russian women who look like those models DO NOT need foreign husbands, not now, not in 10 years not ever..


So are you prepared to just search for a normal looking women? Who maybe pretty or above average? If no.. Give up now..

Thanks for your advice Steveboy. A bit harsh. But I appreciate it. I'm not after the super model type. I've often wondered why women who look out of this world beautiful search for a man on-line? Is it that tough!? Of course not. Pretty is enough for me. So I'm in the clear hopefully. What do you have to say about the women (advertisement) found on every page of this website? Do you recommend loveme.com? Of course they certainly are the model type women by the looks of it. :")

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2019, 06:13:17 AM

But here is the most truthful advise you will ever get:


You will never ever marry any women who looks like any of the women on UADreams Never ever.. Ukrainian or Russian women who look like those models DO NOT need foreign husbands, not now, not in 10 years not ever..


So are you prepared to just search for a normal looking women? Who maybe pretty or above average? If no.. Give up now..

Thanks for your advice Steveboy. A bit harsh. But I appreciate it. I'm not after the super model type. I've often wondered why women who look out of this world beautiful search for a man on-line? Is it that tough!? Of course not. Pretty is enough for me. So I'm in the clear hopefully. What do you have to say about the women (advertisement) found on every page of this website? Do you recommend loveme.com? Of course they certainly are the model type women by the looks of it. :")

Pete :")

Harsh advice is the best advice unfortunately. Those women in UA dreams are already married or have lovers, they are just laughing at you, trust me on this!

The women on every page here? You really think they are real also? And looking to be rescued by some man from another country? If you was ever to meet any women looking like this /model style/stunning in real life either in Russia or Ukraine they will simply not be interested in you, in fact you would embarrass yourself even approaching them..

Yes its life! Life sucks, beautiful women don't need foreigners any more ((

I was doing doing free membership on my site, but I gave it up a while back. But I can see you need some help and pointing in the right direction. If you register at Bridesandlovers I will upgrade you for a years free membership.. Speak to some real women :) Just let me know your ID number.. tiphat








Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: redroo on April 03, 2019, 08:00:16 AM
Good onya Steve, that's a nice gesture to our newbie
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 03, 2019, 08:52:44 AM
Pete, sorry that (hopefully) you are an illusion poorer.

In your situation I would follow up on the offer of Steve. As I understand there is a greater effort at vetting the women and avoid many of the scams and BS.

But firstly I would read some of the threads on RUA and study who was successful. There is no one correct way to prosecute this search but over a thousand ways to make a mess of it!
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 03, 2019, 10:16:33 AM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 11:22:24 AM

Harsh advice is the best advice unfortunately. Those women in UA dreams are already married or have lovers, they are just laughing at you, trust me on this!

The women on every page here? You really think they are real also? And looking to be rescued by some man from another country? If you was ever to meet any women looking like this /model style/stunning in real life either in Russia or Ukraine they will simply not be interested in you, in fact you would embarrass yourself even approaching them..

Yes its life! Life sucks, beautiful women don't need foreigners any more ((

I was doing doing free membership on my site, but I gave it up a while back. But I can see you need some help and pointing in the right direction. If you register at Bridesandlovers I will upgrade you for a years free membership.. Speak to some real women :) Just let me know your ID number.. tiphat

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks! :'(  Come to think of it, beautiful women don't need to stand & wait in a queue to be picked, right? But I wouldn't mind the embarrassment. At least I'll can tell myself that I tried & talked to beautiful women. I'm learning Ukrainian.  :reading:Baby steps really. Learning to say Dad & Mom and so on. :-* I think knowing the language helps.

You have a website?! Plus an amazing offer. Wow. That's awesome news and very generous of you Sir! Thank you kindly for showing me the way. Yes I'll do that. Hats off!

Pete :")

P.S.

I just registered. Where can I find my iD number over there?
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 11:22:40 AM

Harsh advice is the best advice unfortunately. Those women in UA dreams are already married or have lovers, they are just laughing at you, trust me on this!

The women on every page here? You really think they are real also? And looking to be rescued by some man from another country? If you was ever to meet any women looking like this /model style/stunning in real life either in Russia or Ukraine they will simply not be interested in you, in fact you would embarrass yourself even approaching them..

Yes its life! Life sucks, beautiful women don't need foreigners any more ((

I was doing doing free membership on my site, but I gave it up a while back. But I can see you need some help and pointing in the right direction. If you register at Bridesandlovers I will upgrade you for a years free membership.. Speak to some real women :) Just let me know your ID number.. tiphat

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks! :'(  Come to think of it, beautiful women don't need to stand & wait in a queue to be picked, right? But I wouldn't mind the embarrassment. At least I'll can tell myself that I tried & talked to beautiful women. I'm learning Ukrainian.  :reading: Baby steps really. Learning to say Dad & Mom and so on. :-* I think knowing the language helps.

You have a website?! Plus an amazing offer. Wow. That's awesome news and very generous of you Sir! Thank you kindly for showing me the way. Yes I'll do that. Hats off!

Pete :")

P.S.

I just registered. Where can I find my iD number over there?
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 03, 2019, 12:02:41 PM
Yes, users from Ukrainian IPs are not allowed to use V_Kontakte, Mail.ru and odnoklassniki.ru (blocking being arranged by Ukrainian governement) - as well as users with Russian IPs are not allowed to use Linked_in or Telegram.

VPN rulez  :party0031:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
Pete, sorry that (hopefully) you are an illusion poorer.

In your situation I would follow up on the offer of Steve. As I understand there is a greater effort at vetting the women and avoid many of the scams and BS.

But firstly I would read some of the threads on RUA and study who was successful. There is no one correct way to prosecute this search but over a thousand ways to make a mess of it!


Please don't feel sorry for me. I meant the word "hope" as being optimistic not an illusion poorer. So you are saying that the website Steve suggested contain only vetted female members? Then it certainly is a good idea to join, isn't it? You're right about reading & research.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:20:04 PM
Yes, users from Ukrainian IPs are not allowed to use V_Kontakte, Mail.ru and odnoklassniki.ru (blocking being arranged by Ukrainian governement) - as well as users with Russian IPs are not allowed to use Linked_in or Telegram.

VPN rulez  :party0031:

Thanks for your input! But then how is it that I'm able to find hundreds of Ukrainian members just from one state on VK. These aren't old/dated profiles either. These profiles are online & it's owners active. This clearly means that Ukrainians can create & use their accounts regardless the ban or blocking of IPs. But I really doubt if the IPs are blocked.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:35:00 PM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam

On the contrary I don't have any illusions. But what attracted me to UAdreams website is their webpage design & layout for the female profiles, great photography, a lot of quality images (of course the pictures are photoshoped a bit), videos etc. & of course great customer support. I did have my own doubts about the website. Read a ton of negative reviews. Saw some positive reviews. Some of the girls are real. But their intentions / endgame are doubtful. A lot of men with broken hearts after their first visit. In the end if it's a flop it's a big loss of money, time & energy! I just bought a few credits when they had good offers and use them sparingly and came to my own conclusions. So I've no illusions to give up and I haven't started out seriously to start over. :)

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam

I've no illusions to give up and I haven't started out seriously to start over. But what attracted me to UAdreams website is their webpage design & layout for the female profiles, great photography, a lot of quality images (of course the pictures are photoshoped a bit. Can't blame them.), videos etc. & of course great customer support. I did have my own doubts about the website. Read a ton of negative reviews. Saw some positive reviews. Some of the girls are real. But their intentions / endgame are doubtful. A lot of men with broken hearts after their first visit. If the end is a flop then it's a big loss of money, time & energy! If one has that kind of money and time, sure one can try his luck. I just bought a few credits when they had good offers and use them sparingly and came to my own conclusions. Thanks for your support! Appreciate it :)

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 12:40:29 PM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam

I've no illusions to give up and I haven't started out seriously to start over. But what attracted me to UAdreams website is their webpage design & layout for the female profiles, great photography, a lot of quality images (of course the pictures are photoshoped a bit. Can't blame them.), videos etc. & of course great customer support. I did have my own doubts about the website. Read a ton of negative reviews. Saw some positive reviews. Some of the girls are real. But their intentions / endgame are doubtful. A lot of men with broken hearts after their first visit. If the end is a flop then it's a big loss of money, time & energy! If one has that kind of money and time, sure one can try his luck. I just bought a few credits when they had good offers, used them sparingly and came to my own conclusions. Thanks for your support! Appreciate it :)

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 03, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
Pete,

IF you are keen to find the lass elsewhere ..


Download her images ...


Upload them to Yandex.com  Their  image search engine ... Dragging and dropping from within a password protected site  will not work 

https://yandex.com/images/ (https://yandex.com/images/)

IF she is wise - you will not find her as she will have made her SM profiles private
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 01:03:25 PM

Harsh advice is the best advice unfortunately. Those women in UA dreams are already married or have lovers, they are just laughing at you, trust me on this!

The women on every page here? You really think they are real also? And looking to be rescued by some man from another country? If you was ever to meet any women looking like this /model style/stunning in real life either in Russia or Ukraine they will simply not be interested in you, in fact you would embarrass yourself even approaching them..

Yes its life! Life sucks, beautiful women don't need foreigners any more ((

I was doing doing free membership on my site, but I gave it up a while back. But I can see you need some help and pointing in the right direction. If you register at Bridesandlovers I will upgrade you for a years free membership.. Speak to some real women :) Just let me know your ID number.. tiphat

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks! :'(  Come to think of it, beautiful women don't need to stand & wait in a queue to be picked, right? But I wouldn't mind the embarrassment. At least I'll can tell myself that I tried & talked to beautiful women. I don't mean talk to them as in online letters. But in person, when I go to see Ukraine. I'm learning basic Ukrainian.  :reading: Baby steps really! Learning to say Dad & Mom and so on. :-* I think knowing the language will help.

You have a website?! Plus an amazing offer. Wow. That's awesome news and very generous of you Sir! Thank you kindly for showing me the way. Yes I'll do that. Hats off!

Pete :")

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 03, 2019, 01:09:11 PM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam

On the contrary I don't have any illusions. But what attracted me to UAdreams website is their webpage design & layout for the female profiles, great photography, a lot of quality images (of course the pictures are photoshoped a bit), videos etc. & of course great customer support. I did have my own doubts about the website. Read a ton of negative reviews. Saw some positive reviews. Some of the girls are real. But their intentions / endgame are doubtful. A lot of men with broken hearts after their first visit. In the end if it's a flop it's a big loss of money, time & energy! I just bought a few credits when they had good offers and use them sparingly and came to my own conclusions. So I've no illusions to give up and I haven't started out seriously to start over. :)

Pete :")

Pete perhaps a better word is “delusions”. You’re contradicting yourself because in fact you wasted your hard earned cash on a PPL site.

Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

You could have purchased a monthly membership to a legit site and made some progress.

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2019, 02:23:08 PM

Harsh advice is the best advice unfortunately. Those women in UA dreams are already married or have lovers, they are just laughing at you, trust me on this!

The women on every page here? You really think they are real also? And looking to be rescued by some man from another country? If you was ever to meet any women looking like this /model style/stunning in real life either in Russia or Ukraine they will simply not be interested in you, in fact you would embarrass yourself even approaching them..

Yes its life! Life sucks, beautiful women don't need foreigners any more ((

I was doing doing free membership on my site, but I gave it up a while back. But I can see you need some help and pointing in the right direction. If you register at Bridesandlovers I will upgrade you for a years free membership.. Speak to some real women :) Just let me know your ID number.. tiphat

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks! :'(  Come to think of it, beautiful women don't need to stand & wait in a queue to be picked, right? But I wouldn't mind the embarrassment. At least I'll can tell myself that I tried & talked to beautiful women. I don't mean talk to them as in online letters. But in person, when I go to see Ukraine. I'm learning basic Ukrainian.  :reading: Baby steps really! Learning to say Dad & Mom and so on. :-* I think knowing the language will help.

You have a website?! Plus an amazing offer. Wow. That's awesome news and very generous of you Sir! Thank you kindly for showing me the way. Yes I'll do that. Hats off!

Pete :")


If I was you I wouldn't waste your time going to Ukraine, those women will rip you to bits and after you will be penniless .. DONT GO TO UKRAINE!!!! If your an older guy and a bit wiser it can be ok.. but for a young newbie like yourself , you will be dead meat after the first day ;D
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 03, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 03, 2019, 05:28:00 PM
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Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

The profiles on that site are under contract not to share personal information from either party during any communication (that includes translated phone calls).  Sharing personal information can only occur after a direct meeting at a local UADreams office.  And the lady can, of course, decide not to share it with you after the meeting.  She will "get into trouble" if she is able to subvert the restrictions of the contract with the dating site.  The dating site says they are protecting both parties by blocking direct contact between the two of you.  Sort of like an anti-stalker prevention rules.  Does it mean that she is insincere?  Hard to tell.  Some previous users said they were able to find social media posts of some of the profiles which showed the lady as having male friends/companions.   :GRRRR:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 07:51:15 PM


Pete perhaps a better word is “delusions”. You’re contradicting yourself because in fact you wasted your hard earned cash on a PPL site.

Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

You could have purchased a monthly membership to a legit site and made some progress.

No delusions either! I don't know what's up with all the categorizing you're trying to achieve! I'm not at all contradicting myself. I did do my research and was well aware of what I was getting into well before signing up at UADreams. I just had to try and experience it. Tickets to an IMAX movie is all that cost me. It's not huge money for me. I frequent the movies all the time. So this, in a way was entertaining to an extend and educative. I watched for & did come across some of the negative aspects mentioned in the reviews. I don't see it as a loss at all. Not all the women there are scammers. There are women who are also victimized over there just like the men. It's okay man. Now that I'm gifted with a years membership for free on a trustworthy website. Thanks to  Steve!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 08:01:43 PM

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks! :'(  Come to think of it, beautiful women don't need to stand & wait in a queue to be picked, right? But I wouldn't mind the embarrassment. At least I'll can tell myself that I tried & talked to beautiful women. I don't mean talk to them as in online letters. But in person, when I go to see Ukraine. I'm learning basic Ukrainian.  :reading: Baby steps really! Learning to say Dad & Mom and so on. :-* I think knowing the language will help.

You have a website?! Plus an amazing offer. Wow. That's awesome news and very generous of you Sir! Thank you kindly for showing me the way. Yes I'll do that. Hats off!

Pete :")


If I was you I wouldn't waste your time going to Ukraine, those women will rip you to bits and after you will be penniless .. DONT GO TO UKRAINE!!!! If your an older guy and a bit wiser it can be ok.. but for a young newbie like yourself , you will be dead meat after the first day ;D

I'm not going to Ukraine just for the women alone. Oh no Sir. Yes, I know I have to be careful and I will be. I'm not a complete idiot you know. I've been covering a lot of ground for over a year now educating myself, reading, watching videos, researching, contacting people etc. So I'm not exactly a newbie to all this. But there's always something new to learn and I'm at it. By the time I make the trip I'll sure be the wiser and a little bit older. :") Thanks Steve again! I'm happy that I met you here!

Pet :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 08:05:33 PM
Pete,

IF you are keen to find the lass elsewhere ..


Download her images ...


Upload them to Yandex.com  Their  image search engine ... Dragging and dropping from within a password protected site  will not work 

https://yandex.com/images/ (https://yandex.com/images/)

IF she is wise - you will not find her as she will have made her SM profiles private

Hey msmoby! Thanks for a helpful tip! Will try it. Lets see what comes up! Thanks again!

Pete :")

P.S. What do I do after uploading her images? Thanks!
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Thanks to all the guys!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 03, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
 :dh:

Pete

You are wasting your money and kidding yourself ..

Many of us have been in the same situation as you - worn the t-shirt...

We didn't have such sites to 'wise us up' ;)

There's FAR better places to spend your money

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

 :thumbsup:

Just like there are some men who aren't aware what's actually going on, there are women who aren't as well. Both men & women end up victims. I'm not taking about the pro daters and scammers here. Of course not!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 03, 2019, 08:39:29 PM
Quote
Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

The profiles on that site are under contract not to share personal information from either party during any communication (that includes translated phone calls).  Sharing personal information can only occur after a direct meeting at a local UADreams office.  And the lady can, of course, decide not to share it with you after the meeting.  She will "get into trouble" if she is able to subvert the restrictions of the contract with the dating site.  The dating site says they are protecting both parties by blocking direct contact between the two of you.  Sort of like an anti-stalker prevention rules.  Does it mean that she is insincere?  Hard to tell.  Some previous users said they were able to find social media posts of some of the profiles which showed the lady as having male friends/companions.   :GRRRR:

Thanks for your feedback! Yes I was already aware of all that you've stated. I been a member at UADreams for a short period of time. So I know the rules over there. But I didn't sign any contract that forbid me in sharing personal contact info. Though they did mention that it's not allowed. Yes they have middle men called the "translators" who edit out any personal information should anyone try to exchange them through letters or video chat. They say it's for the protection of their members. But we know that's not the major reason. Adults can take care of themselves. All they really want is to keep the men on the website where the company can keep earning. If men find their women directly they'll leave the website and cripple their income. Yes I've read the same about some women over there having photos of their boyfriends & even husbands with children on social media. But these days the social media profiles of these women are hidden 'cause it caused a lot of ruckus when the male members found their ladies already in a relationship. I myself went through 1600 something profiles with just a single name on VK. Nothing to be found! What I also read recently is that some of the names are fake as well. Don't know if this is true information but I read it somewhere.

But what kind of trouble would the women get into if they should violate their contract, go ahead and share personal contacts with the men?

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 03, 2019, 10:07:13 PM
Pete, how old are you if I may ask? you sound a bit "green"..and eager.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: redroo on April 03, 2019, 10:28:57 PM
Pete, you need to actually read the responses you get here....

you were told about VPN's, and yet you still asked how it's possible for Ukrainians to access sites.
Virtual Private Networks
I use Nord, and it's worth the small amount costs

cheers
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 03, 2019, 11:01:20 PM
As a man, how happy would I be to be stalked across the Internet by some rando using my profile pics and image search? Hard to imagine many women having a more positive attitude.

One comes to understand just how it might be that some men are unable to find companions in their own country.

Guys, for those who think stalking women is OK - it isn't.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 04, 2019, 08:46:23 AM
Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

 :thumbsup:

Just like there are some men who aren't aware what's actually going on, there are women who aren't as well. Both men & women end up victims. I'm not talking about the pro daters and scammers here. Of course not!

Pete :")


You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. If you found a woman you wanted to date in America on match.com would you go to a third-party pimp who would tell you that you couldn’t meet her until you paid oodles of cash to him solely for the pleasure of writing to “her”....

but you couldn’t yet meet with her and then when you arrived after spending 2 grand on airfare she had a sick grandmother but wait here’s a book of gals you can “date” at expensive sushi places with an expensive guide and an overpriced pimp taxi driver...

Geesh you’re a tool.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 04, 2019, 08:51:12 AM
Do you really think that if a woman was serious about dating and marrying a foreigner she would join a site which does everything in their power to prevent that?

 :thumbsup:

Just like there are some men who aren't aware what's actually going on, there are women who aren't as well. Both men & women end up victims. I'm not talking about the pro daters and scammers here. Of course not!

Pete :")

You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

If you met a nice woman on match.com in America would you go to a third-party pimp and pay him gobs of cash just for the pleasure of writing to “her”?   :prophead:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 04, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
Quote
Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

The profiles on that site are under contract not to share personal information from either party during any communication (that includes translated phone calls).  Sharing personal information can only occur after a direct meeting at a local UADreams office.  And the lady can, of course, decide not to share it with you after the meeting.  She will "get into trouble" if she is able to subvert the restrictions of the contract with the dating site.  The dating site says they are protecting both parties by blocking direct contact between the two of you.  Sort of like an anti-stalker prevention rules.  Does it mean that she is insincere?  Hard to tell.  Some previous users said they were able to find social media posts of some of the profiles which showed the lady as having male friends/companions.   :GRRRR:

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 04, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
Guys, for those who think stalking women is OK - it isn't.

Andrew, would you use the same word (stalking) if a woman would be looking up a man's profile on FB and other local sites, similar to "classmates" and so on?

It might actually give a lot of useful info - e.g. help to find out the guy is in reality 6 years older than he pretended on the dating website (it can be easily calculated when one sees the years he has attended school...)

From my point of view, it's only due diligence. There's nothing to be offended about, if one has nothing to hide.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 04, 2019, 01:47:42 PM
Pete, you have received good advice.

Is it possible that either you have a hard time accepting this or are a shill for the dating site?
Title: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: 2tallbill on April 04, 2019, 03:15:09 PM

Are you saying all the really beautiful women on every dating site are all unreal and gone? If it's true, yeah that sucks!
Pete :")

Pete,

What you've just done is paid a few bucks for tuition of the School of Hard
Knocks but you've found yourself here before you've gotten your organs
harvested, now you can get going down the right path

Many moons ago, I started a thread on how to get started. It's a bit outdated
because I have been off the dating market for several years.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4390.msg56897/highlight,rw+fever.html#msg56897

The forum owner wrote a book and it's a bit outdated but has a lot of good information
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0955687403/?tag=r0be2e-20

So what I advise is spend a lot of time researching on this forum. Read until
your eyes bleed. As you read along you will have questions and you can use
the search function or come back to this thread and ask them.

When you ask a question you will get a lot of advice. Some of that advice will
be solid gold, some of it will be total crap and some of it will be written as if all
they cared about is pissing you off.

Whatever you do, don't let people here piss you off. Your job is to sort through
the advice and pick out what you think works best for you, your personality and
your situation. You are relatively anonymous here and it's good to grow a thick
skin if you want to live through a verbal scrap or interrogation with a Russian
woman some day in the future.

So use the best advice and ignore the rest. Don't post photos of your paramour
on the forum. Most guys here are decent guys but there are a few total dick in
the butt types here too that would like nothing better than to wreck something
that you have going by telling clever lies to a girl. 

It's happened to me (more than once)

Udachi !! (means good luck in Russian)


Bill
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 04, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
When you ask a question you will get a lot of advice. Some of that advice will be solid gold, some of it will be total crap and some of it will be written as if all they cared about is pissing you off.

 :ROFL: 
Do we still have "Quote of the week" thread down somewhere?
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 04, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
Guys, for those who think stalking women is OK - it isn't.

Andrew, would you use the same word (stalking) if a woman would be looking up a man's profile on FB and other local sites, similar to "classmates" and so on?

It might actually give a lot of useful info - e.g. help to find out the guy is in reality 6 years older than he pretended on the dating website (it can be easily calculated when one sees the years he has attended school...)

From my point of view, it's only due diligence. There's nothing to be offended about, if one has nothing to hide.

If some woman saw my image in a place where my privacy was protected as a part of the way that venue did business and then started to use image search to find me in a different environment in order to strike up some kind of relationship then I can assure you that I not engage with her in any way, apart from to tell her to piss off.

I have had people track me down on one social site to another. While I consider it to be less disconcerting I would be hard pressed to think of a time when the outcome was a positive one, whether in business or personal spheres of life.

However, unless I have made it clear that the attention is unwanted AND the attention continues, then that is not stalking.

If I am using a site set up to protect my privacy then, as far as I am concerned, anyone who chooses to suborn that model to save a dollar, or any other reason, is not somebody I want to know.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 04, 2019, 05:20:08 PM
Quote
Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

The profiles on that site are under contract not to share personal information from either party during any communication (that includes translated phone calls).  Sharing personal information can only occur after a direct meeting at a local UADreams office.  And the lady can, of course, decide not to share it with you after the meeting.  She will "get into trouble" if she is able to subvert the restrictions of the contract with the dating site.  The dating site says they are protecting both parties by blocking direct contact between the two of you.  Sort of like an anti-stalker prevention rules.  Does it mean that she is insincere?  Hard to tell.  Some previous users said they were able to find social media posts of some of the profiles which showed the lady as having male friends/companions.   :GRRRR:

Thanks for your feedback! Yes I was already aware of all that you've stated. I been a member at UADreams for a short period of time. So I know the rules over there. But I didn't sign any contract that forbid me in sharing personal contact info. Though they did mention that it's not allowed. Yes they have middle men called the "translators" who edit out any personal information should anyone try to exchange them through letters or video chat. They say it's for the protection of their members. But we know that's not the major reason. Adults can take care of themselves. All they really want is to keep the men on the website where the company can keep earning. If men find their women directly they'll leave the website and cripple their income. Yes I've read the same about some women over there having photos of their boyfriends & even husbands with children on social media. But these days the social media profiles of these women are hidden 'cause it caused a lot of ruckus when the male members found their ladies already in a relationship. I myself went through 1600 something profiles with just a single name on VK. Nothing to be found! What I also read recently is that some of the names are fake as well. Don't know if this is true information but I read it somewhere.

But what kind of trouble would the women get into if they should violate their contract, go ahead and share personal contacts with the men?

Pete :")

I came across a couple of dating sites that are honest enough to say that their services cannot be offered for free in order to sustain the site.  They need someone to foot the cost of running the site.  So the ones who can pay the cost are targeted.  The women are not going to unless it is a site like Match.com where both sides have to pay.


Some also use the excuse of the IMBRA law recently passed to support their rule of no direct communication between the two parties.  But, the underlying reason is really just the money to run the business.

If the lady violates the contract, I think the only recourse for the dating agency is to remove her profile from the dating site.  I don't think there are any punitive damages that can be assessed.  Many of the ladies on that site say that they are happy to have a "body guard" to help them and protect them in their dating ventures.  Is this really true?  Perhaps not.  I found it humorous with the hand written statements posted on the dating site by the male members.  Some look like chicken scratch.   :chuckle: You could never get in touch with the man to verify his "success story".   (:)
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 04, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
Quote
Will the lady get into trouble if she shares her direct contacts? Is that the case here? If it is, does this mean she is insincere?

The profiles on that site are under contract not to share personal information from either party during any communication (that includes translated phone calls).  Sharing personal information can only occur after a direct meeting at a local UADreams office.  And the lady can, of course, decide not to share it with you after the meeting.  She will "get into trouble" if she is able to subvert the restrictions of the contract with the dating site.  The dating site says they are protecting both parties by blocking direct contact between the two of you.  Sort of like an anti-stalker prevention rules.  Does it mean that she is insincere?  Hard to tell.  Some previous users said they were able to find social media posts of some of the profiles which showed the lady as having male friends/companions.   :GRRRR:

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.

That's the issue with any dating site.  If your date turns out bad, come back and try again and again and again....  until your wallet runs dry.   :money: :duh: (:)
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 04, 2019, 05:28:19 PM
Pete, you have received good advice.

Is it possible that either you have a hard time accepting this or are a shill for the dating site?


Not sure about being a promo guy for a dating site, but some may get a "high" from communicating with all of the beautiful babes, just like vaping.     :party0031:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 01:34:15 AM

you were told about VPN's, and yet you still asked how it's possible for Ukrainians to access sites.
Virtual Private Networks
I use Nord, and it's worth the small amount costs

cheers

Thanks for reminding me. You could use TOR. It's free!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 01:43:36 AM
As a man, how happy would I be to be stalked across the Internet by some rando using my profile pics and image search? Hard to imagine many women having a more positive attitude.

One comes to understand just how it might be that some men are unable to find companions in their own country.

Guys, for those who think stalking women is OK - it isn't.

Not stalking but investigating. There's a difference because the intentions are different. Unfortunately there's no way else to find if the woman is authentic or not. It's part of the journey. You don't not want to trust a Ukrainian woman blind folded. I wouldn't.

You misunderstand. It's not the inability to find a companion in my own country, but my choice where to find her and how to live my life! There are many men who choose to do so and there's nothing wrong in it. What's really your problem?

Nobody here said stalking women is okay either. That's not the goal.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 01:54:33 AM

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.

Thanks for your share! Which was the dating website you used? Was it UADreams? Wasn't the woman clear on what she wanted in her letters at first, before you went in with "expectations"? Why would you waste more cash and time on the same website after such a bad experience?! :dh: And look who advising me. But I really appreciate your input! Every bit is educative!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 02:38:51 AM
:dh:

Pete

You are wasting your money and kidding yourself ..

Many of us have been in the same situation as you - worn the t-shirt...

We didn't have such sites to 'wise us up' ;)

There's FAR better places to spend your money

As I had mentioned before in one of my previous posts, I did do a lot of reading & research on online dating especially Ukrainian dating before I ever registered @ UADreams. I knew what I was getting into. I wanted to know for myself and gave it a very short run. Nothing wrong in that. Experience is experience. I haven't wasted huge lumps of money, time or emotions on such websites like others have. I'm glad this website's here for all of us to share & wise up. I'm not a know it all guy. I prefer to continue educating myself and sometimes the best way to do it is to smartly participate and find out for oneself.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 02:42:53 AM
Pete, you have received good advice.

Is it possible that either you have a hard time accepting this or are a shill for the dating site?


Yes I agree the guidance has been great so far. I'm taking it all in like a dry sponge. I don't have a hard time accepting the facts at all. Accepting the facts doesn't mean no more raising further queries or doubts to be cleared.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 03:00:52 AM

Pete,

What you've just done is paid a few bucks for tuition of the School of Hard
Knocks but you've found yourself here before you've gotten your organs
harvested, now you can get going down the right path.

Udachi !! (means good luck in Russian)

Bill

Thanks Bill for the time and efforts you've put in for that descriptive post! :thumbsup: Yes I intend to do it right Bill. Thanks for the very helpful links. Will get into that. Yes Bill I will use this website to the best. Yes we meet all sorts of people on a forum. Different attitudes, perspectives & experiences. Will definitely heed and remember this advice of yours! I don't know about the rest of the guys for sure but you are a decent man! I truly am sorry to hear that your previous relationships were messed up by complete losers. I hope you are doing well now. Stick around we surely need men like you. Udachi to you too Bill!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 03:16:02 AM

However, unless I have made it clear that the attention is unwanted AND the attention continues, then that is not stalking.

If I am using a site set up to protect my privacy then, as far as I am concerned, anyone who chooses to suborn that model to save a dollar, or any other reason, is not somebody I want to know.

The lady I'm concerned about hasn't made it clear that the attention is unwanted. So like you say it's not stalking.

Saving a dollar is not the intention. Finding the truth of the lady and her genuineness is the goal. Unfortunately there is not other way. Especially when one has to deal with a woman on the other side of the globe.

Whether you choose to swallow down & believe every word an online dating woman says is your choice. Not mine though.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 05, 2019, 03:49:51 AM
Pete, Pete, Pete

'doing it right' is not making excuses ... it is LISTENING to good advice - having asked for - and received it ..;)

Every cent you give this site is a waste of money and while guys like you think, "this one will be different" / "this is an experiment, worth doing for fun"  - they are a stain the dating scene
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 03:52:11 AM

Some also use the excuse of the IMBRA law recently passed to support their rule of no direct communication between the two parties.  But, the underlying reason is really just the money to run the business.

Many of the ladies on that site say that they are happy to have a "body guard" to help them and protect them in their dating ventures.  Is this really true?  Perhaps not.  I found it humorous with the hand written statements posted on the dating site by the male members.  Some look like chicken scratch.   :chuckle: You could never get in touch with the man to verify his "success story".   (:)

Thanks for sharing the information.

The IMBRA law is meant for American citizens alone, isn't it? But sure, the agencies will grab the opportunity for an excuse when they can.

Why can't the women try contacting the men directly then, if there are no punitive damages. I don't think they are backwards with computers, internet & smart phones. They already got to know a fair share of the man they have been in touch with. So if they are really interested, why hesitate? I think it will be much easier for them to find a man on a social Network website than vice versa.

You mean the ladies at UADreams said that about the bodyguard thing? Maybe it's intended as a joke. But it makes you wonder the mental frame & insecurity of the women there in general. Previous bad experiences? Maybe. I guess it takes a lot of effort on the man's side to convince & earn a good Ukrainian woman's trust. The good ones don't trust easily.

Yes it's so true. I too read several success story reviews at UADreams - the readable ones :) - to find a way to contact the men. But no contact info shared. May be they did share it but the agency took it out. Who knows? A lot of possibilities.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 04:06:56 AM

Not sure about being a promo guy for a dating site, but some may get a "high" from communicating with all of the beautiful babes, just like vaping.     :party0031:

There is no high in communicating with translators. Getting high wasn't my objective over there either.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 05, 2019, 06:49:18 AM
If a person joins a dating site where the communication is moderated through the site then that is a choice by the client. There are alternatives available that do not place such restrictions.

If I use such a site then I do not need to explicitly tell anyone seeing my profile to not try to find me elsewhere, it is implicit in the arrangement that both parties agreed to when they joined the site.

So, yes, you try to track me down elsewhere, using information found on the site I joined makes you a stalker.

Of course, the stalker will not see it that way, he/she will find plenty of ways to justify their unwelcome activity. Some might do it with the justification of saving some money, some will do so with the justification that it is 'research'. Neither is valid in this context.

If my profile is on Facebook and is open to you then you are free to see my profile elsewhere, that's the deal I made with Facebook. 'Research' away.

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 05, 2019, 08:31:07 AM

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.

Thanks for your share! Which was the dating website you used? Was it UADreams? Wasn't the woman clear on what she wanted in her letters at first, before you went in with "expectations"?

Are you really this dumb? Spending a few weeks with an attractive and willing nympho is a highlight for most guys, but it’s easy to ascertain that this excludes you.  :laugh:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 10:38:24 AM

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.

Thanks for your share! Which was the dating website you used? Was it UADreams? Wasn't the woman clear on what she wanted in her letters at first, before you went in with "expectations"?

Are you really this dumb? Spending a few weeks with an attractive and willing nympho is a highlight for most guys, but it’s easy to ascertain that this excludes you.  :laugh:

Correctly deduced Einstein! Sorry to disappoint. But I'm not the fornicating type! Plus you haven't answered the important questions or you just made up a fantasy story to impress me of your genius! It's quite clear who's dumb here.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 05, 2019, 10:59:27 AM
If a person joins a dating site where the communication is moderated through the site then that is a choice by the client. There are alternatives available that do not place such restrictions.

If I use such a site then I do not need to explicitly tell anyone seeing my profile to not try to find me elsewhere, it is implicit in the arrangement that both parties agreed to when they joined the site.

So, yes, you try to track me down elsewhere, using information found on the site I joined makes you a stalker.

Of course, the stalker will not see it that way, he/she will find plenty of ways to justify their unwelcome activity. Some might do it with the justification of saving some money, some will do so with the justification that it is 'research'. Neither is valid in this context.

If my profile is on Facebook and is open to you then you are free to see my profile elsewhere, that's the deal I made with Facebook. 'Research' away.

I get the ethics part that you are stating. Okay? Save some money? You clearly have no idea how much money men have lost because of these scammers. More over money, time, mental & emotional damage. These are shark infested waters. Let me add most of Eastern Europe is dog eat dog. Not just at the high levels (politicians & oligarchs) but even street level. You might be an honest decent man. You have my respect Sir. But unfortunately your ethics & bleeding heart not only won't be rewarded in this industry, but will also get abused and trashed all over the place. I rather do a little stalking - if that's what you want to call it - or hire a private detective and find out the true whereabouts of the lady rather than swallow the illusion pill provided by the dating websites and the women in it. What these colourful dating websites and the gorgeous women sell can't be blindly trusted. I'm not a fool to invest my time, money and emotions on an illusion. Not for me. May be for you. Good luck!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 05, 2019, 11:16:03 AM

Those are the rules yet depending on the local owner of the site and the gal those rules might be ignored.

A gal I was writing to gave me her real address and invited me to visit on the 4th letter.

Yes I went and saw her, had a great time with a borderline nymphomaniac, but in the end she wasn’t compatible for marriage. I would say it was more like the gals on Russian social media who advertise for a guy to pay for their vacay in exchange for an affair.

However that anomaly resulted in me wasting some more cash on writing to other gals on the same site and another until I learned my lesson.

Thanks for your share! Which was the dating website you used? Was it UADreams? Wasn't the woman clear on what she wanted in her letters at first, before you went in with "expectations"?

Are you really this dumb? Spending a few weeks with an attractive and willing nympho is a highlight for most guys, but it’s easy to ascertain that this excludes you.  :laugh:

Correctly deduced Einstein! Sorry to disappoint. But I'm not the fornicating type! Plus you haven't answered the important questions or you just made up a fantasy story to impress me of your genius! It's quite clear who's dumb here.

Pete :")


Aha, so our Pistol Pete is suddenly a closeted Mormon virgin, who comes here asking questions about his fantasy gal at UA fantasies. Pay close attention to his reply to Andrew, ladies and gents.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 05, 2019, 11:18:53 AM
If a person joins a dating site where the communication is moderated through the site then that is a choice by the client. There are alternatives available that do not place such restrictions.

If I use such a site then I do not need to explicitly tell anyone seeing my profile to not try to find me elsewhere, it is implicit in the arrangement that both parties agreed to when they joined the site.

So, yes, you try to track me down elsewhere, using information found on the site I joined makes you a stalker.

Of course, the stalker will not see it that way, he/she will find plenty of ways to justify their unwelcome activity. Some might do it with the justification of saving some money, some will do so with the justification that it is 'research'. Neither is valid in this context.

If my profile is on Facebook and is open to you then you are free to see my profile elsewhere, that's the deal I made with Facebook. 'Research' away.

I get the ethics part that you are stating. Okay? Save some money? You clearly have no idea how much money men have lost because of these scammers. More over money, time, mental & emotional damage. These are shark infested waters. Let me add most of Eastern Europe is dog eat dog. Not just at the high levels (politicians & oligarchs) but even street level. You might be an honest decent man. You have my respect Sir. But unfortunately your ethics & bleeding heart not only won't be rewarded in this industry, but will also get abused and trashed all over the place. I rather do a little stalking - if that's what you want to call it - or hire a private detective and find out the true whereabouts of the lady rather than swallow the illusion pill provided by the dating websites and the women in it. What these colourful dating websites and the gorgeous women sell can't be blindly trusted. I'm not a fool to invest my time, money and emotions on an illusion. Not for me. May be for you. Good luck!

Pete :")


Fascinating! Pistol Pete is suddenly an expert on all things in Eastern Europe! I’ll just place his first post here.  :coffeeread:


Hi guys,

I met a lady on a dating website. Of course it's one of those dating websites that forbids the sharing of any sort of personal contacts within the website & discourages direct contact outside the website. Obviously I don't trust a lady who's interested to communicate with me only on a paid website - where everything one touches cost $$$ - & no where else. So when I asked her to contact me directly via VK, this was her response.

""I don't use the VK, it's forbidden in Ukraine because it's a Russian social network. Do you know that? It's blocked for all Ukrainians.""

Could she be telling the truth? Since when was this ban introduced in Ukraine? How strict is the ban? Are Ukrainians utterly & completely cut off from VK & are unable to access VK at all, no matter what? I ask this 'cause, even when I visited VK today, I could find 100s of Ukrainians from various states on-line & active! So if the former is true how can all these Ukrainians access VK without a problem? Like she wrote, she might have made the personal choice not to use VK. But I don't think it blocked for all Ukrainians. So to me her reply seems like a mix of truth and lie.

What do you personally think of her reply? Is there a social media platform just for Ukrainians? I found a SM website named OK. Is this Russian as well? I have no clue where to go to in order to set this website to English. So I've only managed to create an account with some effort! Please share your thoughts & tips on these. Thanks ahead to everyone. Bye for now.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 05, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
Andrewfi sits in his La-Z-Boy in Idaho, eating  :popcorn: as he learns all about Eastern Europe and how life is there from a real expert. :)

 tiphat
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 05, 2019, 05:59:38 PM

Some also use the excuse of the IMBRA law recently passed to support their rule of no direct communication between the two parties.  But, the underlying reason is really just the money to run the business.

Many of the ladies on that site say that they are happy to have a "body guard" to help them and protect them in their dating ventures.  Is this really true?  Perhaps not.  I found it humorous with the hand written statements posted on the dating site by the male members.  Some look like chicken scratch.   :chuckle: You could never get in touch with the man to verify his "success story".   (:)

Thanks for sharing the information.

The IMBRA law is meant for American citizens alone, isn't it? But sure, the agencies will grab the opportunity for an excuse when they can.

Why can't the women try contacting the men directly then, if there are no punitive damages. I don't think they are backwards with computers, internet & smart phones. They already got to know a fair share of the man they have been in touch with. So if they are really interested, why hesitate? I think it will be much easier for them to find a man on a social Network website than vice versa.

You mean the ladies at UADreams said that about the bodyguard thing? Maybe it's intended as a joke. But it makes you wonder the mental frame & insecurity of the women there in general. Previous bad experiences? Maybe. I guess it takes a lot of effort on the man's side to convince & earn a good Ukrainian woman's trust. The good ones don't trust easily.

Yes it's so true. I too read several success story reviews at UADreams - the readable ones :) - to find a way to contact the men. But no contact info shared. May be they did share it but the agency took it out. Who knows? A lot of possibilities.

Pete :")

Yes, the IMBRA law was passed and applies to USA residents.  However, some dating agencies have tried to use it for other residents as well. For the most part, people in the USA consider it be more "red tape".

Online dating is becoming more common than local dating.  Yes, it should be easier to contact people from all over the world more easier now than 20 years ago.  But many here in this country do not date over the internet and I am sure many overseas will not do so as well.  Dating overseas carries the implication that you will have to sacrifice your life in your native land to change direction drastically.  The vast majority of the world will not do so (not counting the migrations at the southern US border and European migration from Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.) even where romance is concerned.  Note that the women do not have any contact restrictions when dating local guys, so you see the inequality being applied here?

Regarding a "body guard" during dating a stranger.  Advice has been given not to do dating with a stranger without adequate protection and supervision.  You could lose your life.  While very rare, some out there have significant mental problems.

UADreams was among one of the few sites that I looked at over several years ago.  They allow you to write a free introductory letter to any profile.  I wrote a letter to a lady who worked at a fitness center.  She later wrote back saying that she got a new job at another city and was cancelling her contract with the dating site and wished me good luck.  I guess that is how the ball bounces.   :duh:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 05, 2019, 10:02:20 PM
Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.

This deluge of incoming communication is an ongoing dating industry issue. That's why, when you stalk a woman from a private site to a public one, there's a very good chance that your (possibly) innocent bit of sleuthing will not be well received.

The problem for naive loners like our hero in this thread is that sites which enable women to protect themselves can also be an ideal environment to milk hopeful lonely guys. It's down to the bloke to communicate carefully with the objects of his desire to ensure their existence and determine their purpose.

Or, perhaps, if minded toward the 'research' approach, just use sites that do not limit one's ability to contact women and even allow one to stalk research across platforms. A vip membership to mamba.ru or one of its branded clones is inexpensive enough for almost all to afford.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 05, 2019, 10:59:24 PM
Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.

This deluge of incoming communication is an ongoing dating industry issue. That's why, when you stalk a woman from a private site to a public one, there's a very good chance that your (possibly) innocent bit of sleuthing will not be well received.

The problem for naive loners like our hero in this thread is that sites which enable women to protect themselves can also be an ideal environment to milk hopeful lonely guys. It's down to the bloke to communicate carefully with the objects of his desire to ensure their existence and determine their purpose.

Or, perhaps, if minded toward the 'research' approach, just use sites that do not limit one's ability to contact women and even allow one to stalk research across platforms. A vip membership to mamba.ru or one of its branded clones is inexpensive enough for almost all to afford.

Good post. I would add:

Hop on a plane and arrange for an English speaking guide to assist you in your travels. Think with your big head and not your little one.

No matter how much time a guy spends here there’s no replacement for getting your feet onto the ground of whatever country you wish to visit. In fact time spent at a forum is mostly wasted.

Have a backup plan which includes access to some emergency funds. Be willing to be flexible and have a good attitude. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

And if you’re a prude who doesn’t like to fornicate stay home as the number of 18 year old virgins in Ukraine is prolly lower than most other countries around the World.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 02:02:01 AM

Aha, so our Pistol Pete is suddenly a closeted Mormon virgin, who comes here asking questions about his fantasy gal at UA fantasies. Pay close attention to his reply to Andrew, ladies and gents.

Just a normal honest Ukrainian girl. I've got no fantasies like you do.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 02:06:32 AM
Andrewfi sits in his La-Z-Boy in Idaho, eating  :popcorn: as he learns all about Eastern Europe and how life is there from a real expert. :)

 tiphat

Enjoy your popcorn. I'm enjoying my green tea. I'm no expert. But I'm no fool. I keep learning.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 02:18:48 AM

Fascinating! Pistol Pete is suddenly an expert on all things in Eastern Europe! I’ll just place his first post here.  :coffeeread:


It's Pete! And yes please do read my reply to "Mr. Know it all Andrew". I'm not an expert 'Mr. Confederate'! I've admitted it before & I never claimed to be. So stop it with your labels. My first post was meant to be my introduction to this tread wise guy.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 03:44:33 AM
Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.

This deluge of incoming communication is an ongoing dating industry issue. That's why, when you stalk a woman from a private site to a public one, there's a very good chance that your (possibly) innocent bit of sleuthing will not be well received.

The problem for naive loners like our hero in this thread is that sites which enable women to protect themselves can also be an ideal environment to milk hopeful lonely guys. It's down to the bloke to communicate carefully with the objects of his desire to ensure their existence and determine their purpose.

Or, perhaps, if minded toward the 'research' approach, just use sites that do not limit one's ability to contact women and even allow one to stalk research across platforms. A vip membership to mamba.ru or one of its branded clones is inexpensive enough for almost all to afford.

Thanks for sharing your perspectives. I appreciate it. I'm am alone but not lonely. Not naive either. Neither a hero! Yes it's a shame that women in general are highly objectified and treated as sex objects by indecent men with no dignity, virtue, respect or family values. I strongly dislike such men. They are a shame to mankind.

Your point that must be highlighted is "websites which enable women to protect themselves can also be an ideal environment to milk hopeful guys" This guaranteed protection claimed by the dating websites are plain scam. Their men & women clients are adults who can protect themselves. Their aim is to keep you on the website and mint money by making sure of no direct communication. I don't recommend such a website to anyone. Especially pay per letter, video chat services offered by such websites.

You cannot determine a ladies purpose or ensure their true existence if you only choose to communicate on a website with a translator. In most cases yes you are corresponding with the translator not with the lady you see on the photograph. The lady on the webpage is unaware that she's getting letters from you. Hence if you meet her on a public platform, she will be surprised to see you chatting her up as if you were previous acquaintances. She'll just tell you straight out "I don't know you!". But by that time the naive type of man would have lost huge sums of money & time trusting an addictive website! Due to these reasons it's only wise to find other alternatives to find out the authenticity & motives of the lady one's interested in. Thanks for the tips on other websites that allows direct contact with their female clients. Helpful to many.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 06, 2019, 03:50:27 AM
Nope, you're wrong.
But what do I know. I just sit in my Lay-Z-Boy in idaho, crossing swords with an obvious expert; well clued up on online dating, international relationships and life in Eastern Europe.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 04:08:14 AM

Hop on a plane and arrange for an English speaking guide to assist you in your travels. Think with your big head and not your little one.

No matter how much time a guy spends here there’s no replacement for getting your feet onto the ground of whatever country you wish to visit. In fact time spent at a forum is mostly wasted.

Have a backup plan which includes access to some emergency funds. Be willing to be flexible and have a good attitude. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

And if you’re a prude who doesn’t like to fornicate stay home as the number of 18 year old virgins in Ukraine is prolly lower than most other countries around the World.  :chuckle:

If you had carefully read my previous posts, you would have understood that I am planning on trips to Ukraine. My posts on this thread is evidence enough to prove that I think with the right head. Time on the forum is only wasted when useless posts are made. I wouldn't recommend anyone to just hop on a plane and visit a country one wishes to visit especially Eastern Europe. Always people, try and do at least some research. But other than that, yes obvious but very good pointers overall for people who do not travel globally.

For your information I'm not prude. What others do with their bodies is not my concern. Women are not the reason I travel. There are more interesting things like experiencing in person & improving ones exposure to a country's history, language, people, culture, local food etc. than mindless sex. If you have to leave your country for just sex that's pathetic, isn't it?!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 04:13:14 AM
Nope, you're wrong.
But what do I know. I just sit in my Lay-Z-Boy in idaho, crossing swords with an obvious expert; well clued up on online dating, international relationships and life in Eastern Europe.  :popcorn:

You do really like your popcorn. :") Cheers to that! Thanks for the interesting conversation. Please stop calling me an expert on anything. I'm not. I'm just sharing what I've learned. Truce?

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 06, 2019, 04:44:08 AM

So, yes, you try to track me down elsewhere, using information found on the site I joined makes you a stalker.



What andrewfi fails to tell you is that - often - the lady when contacted - following research -  is often pleased to hear from you - never having communicated with you before ;)

Hardly 'stalking'

IF a lady is not pleased at an attempt at direct contact - circumvententing an agency / pay by letter site and you persist - THAT would be stalking


I found my Wife to be by 'detective work' - although the reason was that she had not logged in to the web sites for ages ..   


I want to be honest .. she was initially shocked and referred to me as 'Sherlock Holmes' in a negative way..  But it only took the move from email ( this is five years ago ) to Skype and the rest is history ..


Andrewfi is perennially single and not exactly the 'expert' he suggests

He is rather TOO fond of posting estimations of others' lives - that are risible in their veracity and often posts 'conclusions' based on 'data' he dreams up ..

Still want you to consider that you are just another - in a long line of guys  - which has included myself - who is funding a shyster section of the dating industry !

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 05:45:25 AM

Yes, the IMBRA law was passed and applies to USA residents.  However, some dating agencies have tried to use it for other residents as well. For the most part, people in the USA consider it be more "red tape".

Online dating is becoming more common than local dating.  Yes, it should be easier to contact people from all over the world more easier now than 20 years ago.  But many here in this country do not date over the internet and I am sure many overseas will not do so as well.  Dating overseas carries the implication that you will have to sacrifice your life in your native land to change direction drastically.  The vast majority of the world will not do so (not counting the migrations at the southern US border and European migration from Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.) even where romance is concerned.  Note that the women do not have any contact restrictions when dating local guys, so you see the inequality being applied here?

Regarding a "body guard" during dating a stranger.  Advice has been given not to do dating with a stranger without adequate protection and supervision.  You could lose your life.  While very rare, some out there have significant mental problems.

UADreams was among one of the few sites that I looked at over several years ago.  They allow you to write a free introductory letter to any profile.  I wrote a letter to a lady who worked at a fitness center.  She later wrote back saying that she got a new job at another city and was cancelling her contract with the dating site and wished me good luck.  I guess that is how the ball bounces.   :duh:

What did you mean by the phrase 'people in the USA consider it be more "red tape"'. I didn't understand.

I also tried the services of UADreams for a short period. To be honest, I had more communication with their customer service representative than the models there. Their customer support told me that contradictory to popular belief, there are many good men in Ukraine & most women there are not interested in foreigners or leaving the country and are very satisfied by the lives they lead. Sure life is more convenient & blissful to stay in one's own country with family, friends & relatives around. They said that only a minority among them really look for foreign husbands. But the ones who are looking really don't mind a change in scenario. Other wise why even bother to seek a foreign man, right?

A body guard during dating a stranger. Yes I was told by their customer support about the possibility of men with mental issues visiting them. Hence the safety precaution. I know UADreams compulsorily arrange the first meeting of their clients at their branch offices, in the presence of a translator or branch manager. They act as the woman's body guard for the 1st hour during the first meet. This is a good safety measure for both individuals involved.

But the downside to this is in order for the 1st meet to ever happen it is mandatory that the male client must choose their ridiculously priced trip packages to meet the lady at their branch & only at their branch. No other public place. Also this agency will never reveal it's branches location address to you until you've paid for the trip package. Every service they provide will costs you 3 times the actual cost. You don't have the freedom to do things your own way. The translation charges are cut throat as well! They have 14 branches all over UKR. But not even one address is on the website. There is no name or photograph of the owner or the branches external view. Some of their previous clients who visited their multiple branches stated in their reviews that their offices are in very remote locations, had no billboard advertising saying 'UADreams'. But instead there was only an A2 size print out stuck on the front door glass that read something like 'free photo portfolio'. How credible of an agency is that?!

At least the reply that you got from the lady at UADreams sounded authentic and not repetitive or duplicated. She could have been real! Did she say which city she moved to. They have branch offices in most states. All she had to do was transfer her profile. Maybe she lost interest in on-line dating. What was your overall impression of this agency in the end of it all? How long where you there for? I was there for a month and a half.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 06, 2019, 06:10:16 AM

So, yes, you try to track me down elsewhere, using information found on the site I joined makes you a stalker.



What andrewfi fails to tell you is that - often - the lady when contacted - following research -  is often pleased to hear from you - never having communicated with you before ;)

Hardly 'stalking'

IF a lady is not pleased at an attempt at direct contact - circumvententing an agency / pay by letter site and you persist - THAT would be stalking


I found my Wife to be by 'detective work' - although the reason was that she had not logged in to the web sites for ages ..   


I want to be honest .. she was initially shocked and referred to me as 'Sherlock Holmes' in a negative way..  But it only took the move from email ( this is five years ago ) to Skype and the rest is history ..


Andrewfi is perennially single and not exactly the 'expert' he suggests

He is rather TOO fond of posting estimations of others' lives - that are risible in their veracity and often posts 'conclusions' based on 'data' he dreams up ..

Still I want you to consider that you are just another - in a long line of guys  - which has included myself - who is funding a shyster section of the dating industry !

Thanks for making clear the true meaning of the word 'stalking'. If the lady does not appreciate it, sure I won't trouble her any more. But her inappreciativeness stems from 1 of 2 reasons.

1). Either the agency has misused her photographs and she doesn't have a clue about you or your heart-touching, romantic letters. Hence she's not interested in you.

OR

2). The lady is a scammer and even could be getting paid for her time writing letters & video chatting with you. Hence the interest on the dating site and none on direct contact.

Really you did some detective work? That's a good move. It just shows your true genuine concern for the lady. I'm sure she did understand your reasons for it and appreciated it at some level even if not directly expressed. Other wise the progress from email to Skype would have been delayed or might have never happened.

You've got really good English language skills, especially in the sentences towards the end of your post. Do you do formal writing like thesis writing for research? No pun or offence meant Andrewfi.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 07, 2019, 10:18:54 AM
Pete!

Here is some other good advice. do not waste your time learning the Ukrainian language, for what do you need to learn this for?

After 12 months you would of given up completely disillusioned and all that time learning Ukrainian would of been a waste of time, your never going to need to speak it in your life..

It is better just spending some time for a few months to see if any Ukrainian women are interested in you. Forget about your UADreams experience , those women were not interested in you in any way other than financially..

Try with some REAL women first then take it from there..
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 07, 2019, 11:50:04 AM

I found my Wife to be by 'detective work' - although the reason was that she had not logged in to the web sites for ages ..   



why am I not surprised...Moby took the effort to find my ip, location, race and I ain't even a woman.  :ROFL: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 07, 2019, 11:52:20 AM
Pete!

Here is some other good advice. do not waste your time learning the Ukrainian language, for what do you need to learn this for?


Most Ukrainians speak Russian anyways...better to learn Russian but again it's a TOUUUUGH language.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Manny on April 07, 2019, 12:19:11 PM
But many here in this country do not date over the internet and I am sure many overseas will not do so as well. 

Id suggest that with the advent of sites like POF, Tinder, et al, online dating is now the norm in Europe.

Dating overseas carries the implication that you will have to sacrifice your life in your native land to change direction drastically.

Possibly for the better.

Advice has been given not to do dating with a stranger without adequate protection and supervision.  You could lose your life.  While very rare, some out there have significant mental problems.

Yes, European women should take care when dating odd Americans.  :ROFL:

Their customer support told me that contradictory to popular belief, there are many good men in Ukraine & most women there are not interested in foreigners or leaving the country and are very satisfied by the lives they lead. Sure life is more convenient & blissful to stay in one's own country with family, friends & relatives around. They said that only a minority among them really look for foreign husbands. But the ones who are looking really don't mind a change in scenario. Other wise why even bother to seek a foreign man, right?

Yes.

A body guard during dating a stranger. Yes I was told by their customer support about the possibility of men with mental issues visiting them. Hence the safety precaution. I know UADreams compulsorily arrange the first meeting of their clients at their branch offices, in the presence of a translator or branch manager. They act as the woman's body guard for the 1st hour during the first meet. This is a good safety measure for both individuals involved.

But the downside to this is in order for the 1st meet to ever happen it is mandatory that the male client must choose their ridiculously priced trip packages to meet the lady at their branch & only at their branch. No other public place. Also this agency will never reveal it's branches location address to you until you've paid for the trip package. Every service they provide will costs you 3 times the actual cost. You don't have the freedom to do things your own way. The translation charges are cut throat as well! They have 14 branches all over UKR. But not even one address is on the website. There is no name or photograph of the owner or the branches external view. Some of their previous clients who visited their multiple branches stated in their reviews that their offices are in very remote locations, had no billboard advertising saying 'UADreams'. But instead there was only an A2 size print out stuck on the front door glass that read something like 'free photo portfolio'. How credible of an agency is that?!

That is not something you "must" do, that is something you choose to do. They are free to choose their business model and construct their business in such a way that suits them. You are free to accept that and use them or shop elsewhere.

There is much reading for you here. There are over a decade of posts numbering half a million or so. This is a learning curve. This is an expensive endeavour.

Welcome to the site, by the way.  tiphat
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 07, 2019, 12:42:27 PM
Pete how old are you?  all you seem to be worried about are the risks involved...are you even over 30?  If not I suggest to just go to Russia or Ukraine, teach English or volunteer there and live like a local. then you can date however you like.  This is what I did.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Manny on April 07, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
I came across a couple of dating sites that are honest enough to say that their services cannot be offered for free in order to sustain the site.  They need someone to foot the cost of running the site.  So the ones who can pay the cost are targeted.  The women are not going to unless it is a site like Match.com where both sides have to pay.

Now here is a thing.

Sites aren't free to run (even this one (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,22635.0.html)), they must generate revenue and they'll not be doing that from the women.

That means the men must be monetised to make the site profitable. The men who *don't* get on the plane are the ones who pay the bills for the ones that do.

But there is another side to this: A lot of women, and my wife was among them, are *more* than happy to use a site where men must pay because it weeds out all the cheap and greedy ones who want everything for free (which weeds out in a stroke most undesirables). Communication is then in her native tongue as its translated. A layer of staff between women and their would-be suitors can further weed out oddballs and other undesirables. Misunderstandings are easily cleared up along the way. This means women dont spend all their free time for months on end writing pointless nonsense to Joe from Idaho who doesn't even have a passport and will never get on a plane. It means every now and again the staff get in touch and say "here is one with potential, you might want to engage with this one yourself". Agencies can be very time-efficient and useful for women.

I agree with Andrew, circumvent that chosen system and discover her on her personal social media platforms and that is cheap, greedy, stalky and will get you blocked by many in a heartbeat.

All that said, agencies use that system as a cover to scam blokes with translators too, so caveat emptor.

Some also use the excuse of the IMBRA law recently passed to support their rule of no direct communication between the two parties.

They may try, but that only applies to agencies based in the US (being the only ones subject to US law), is mostly ignored anyway and is a decade old.

Many of the ladies on that site say that they are happy to have a "body guard" to help them and protect them in their dating ventures.  Is this really true?

Having seen some communications first hand, I can see why some would.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 07, 2019, 01:55:31 PM
Pete!

Here is some other good advice. do not waste your time learning the Ukrainian language, for what do you need to learn this for?


Most Ukrainians speak Russian anyways...better to learn Russian but again it's a TOUUUUGH language.

Yes.. BUT only if your actually planning to marry a Eastern European women and do the business of meeting and dating one..

Learning Russian or Ukrainian at this point is a waste of time and effort..

Its like I want to buy a Bentley in a few years.. so tomorrow Im going to go out and buy myself a Bentley key ring, leather jacket, join the Bentley club and so on..

And I don't even have my Bentley OR even enough cash to buy one.. easy logic really..
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 07, 2019, 08:37:27 PM
Pete!

Here is some other good advice. do not waste your time learning the Ukrainian language, for what do you need to learn this for?

After 12 months you would of given up completely disillusioned and all that time learning Ukrainian would of been a waste of time, your never going to need to speak it in your life..

It is better just spending some time for a few months to see if any Ukrainian women are interested in you. Forget about your UADreams experience , those women were not interested in you in any way other than financially..

Try with some REAL women first then take it from there..

I don't travel or learn languages to meet women. I do it because I enjoy it. But I do get your point though. It's one of my hobbies. Even though not fluent I do understand Spanish & French. I'm now learning Ukrainian & German.  I've left UADreams months ago. Didn't spend much time there either. If I can't find the woman on social media especially these days, I take it as a red flag. The women on UADreams none of them are on it. At least the ones I was interested in anyway. They bring up the silly excuse that the Russian social media VK is banned. But yet there are thousands of Ukrainians on VK. So clearly if there's a will there's a way! If the women are that patriotic there is FB,Twitter. Hence if they are really interested, granted they get to learn about the man for a while, they will always find ways for direct contact. That's just what I think. As always thank you Steve for your support & guidance! Much appreciated. You always get right to it.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 07, 2019, 08:47:04 PM
Pete!

Here is some other good advice. do not waste your time learning the Ukrainian language, for what do you need to learn this for?


Most Ukrainians speak Russian anyways...better to learn Russian but again it's a TOUUUUGH language.

I found there are similarities among Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian. Personally I think Russian is harsh on the ears. I feel Ukrainian to be more melodious.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 07, 2019, 09:11:07 PM

That is not something you "must" do, that is something you choose to do. They are free to choose their business model and construct their business in such a way that suits them. You are free to accept that and use them or shop elsewhere.

Welcome to the site, by the way.  tiphat

Thanks for your welcome and input.

Sure they can choose their business model and construct their business in such a way that suits them. But that shouldn't turn to be an excuse to extort people. Making a profit is essential for the survival and progress of any business. Extortion is something else.

I'm not talking about myself. But some of the men have spend tons of money over there, for several years before even meeting up with the lady. Unwise move. I know. But when they finally decide to meet up with the lady, it will be a shock to them, when they get to know that the agency won't disclose their branch location address & won't allow you to meet the lady with whom you've been conversing with for many years until you pay for their ridiculously expensive trip packages. The men are trapped. They no longer have a choice to choose. They must in order to achieve any further progress in the relationship. If there ever will be a relationship in the 1st place.

Yes a lot of self education, patience & persistence required for this endeavour. I'm at the right place for it. Thanks again Manny!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 07, 2019, 09:42:26 PM
Pete how old are you? if you don't wanna say give me decades or over/under 30.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 07, 2019, 10:33:58 PM
Pete how old are you?  all you seem to be worried about are the risks involved...are you even over 30?  If not I suggest to just go to Russia or Ukraine, teach English or volunteer there and live like a local. then you can date however you like.  This is what I did.

I'm old enough. I've travelled before. I prefer to travel solo. I'm not worried. There will be risks & challenges any ways. But I always go in with a bit of preparation. Currently I'm sorting a few things out, educating myself before making the trip. It won't happen soon. But it will & I'll be ready. Thanks for the advice. Yes I've looked into that. There is teaching English, proof reading, sales, customer support etc for people with good English skills. Now a days getting a steady English teaching job is difficult. You are offered the job for a couple of hours for 3 days in a week or so. The pay per hour is good. But still won't do. Rent in Ukraine is not cheap so this may just cover the rent. Does it help. Sure it does. Is that enough. Sure it's not. Thanks again.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Guile on April 08, 2019, 01:51:39 AM

I'm old enough. I've travelled before.

You are offered the job for a couple of hours for 3 days in a week or so. The pay per hour is good. But still won't do. Rent in Ukraine is not cheap so this may just cover the rent. Does it help. Sure it does. Is that enough. Sure it's not. Thanks again.

Pete :")

It's not about age but experience...with the type of questions you are asking it shows you haven't done it before.

Forget about teaching English in Ukraine. no money there. I mean go to Moscow.

The main factor is what age range of woman are you looking at.  Someone in their 20's is completely different than someone in their 40's. Aim for a 5-7 year gap if you are under 35.  If you are over than you got more leeway.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Steveboy on April 08, 2019, 04:35:13 AM

I'm old enough. I've travelled before.

You are offered the job for a couple of hours for 3 days in a week or so. The pay per hour is good. But still won't do. Rent in Ukraine is not cheap so this may just cover the rent. Does it help. Sure it does. Is that enough. Sure it's not. Thanks again.

Pete :")

It's not about age but experience...with the type of questions you are asking it shows you haven't done it before.

Forget about teaching English in Ukraine. no money there. I mean go to Moscow.

The main factor is what age range of woman are you looking at.  Someone in their 20's is completely different than someone in their 40's. Aim for a 5-7 year gap if you are under 35.  If you are over than you got more leeway.


Actually every thing comes down to your age today when pursuing a FSU women..

Lots has changed in the last 6/7 years when it comes to searching a women from say Russia.. I did offer $1000.00 here a few years ago as the wedding present to any guy who marries a girl under 30 and posts his pictures and story here.. no one ever got to get that.. to late now I need the money :)

It works like this now:

30-38 year old guys= very little chance , nearly zero as they will be looking for a girl 28-33 women this age simply are not interested any more, yes ok a few maybe , but very few AND your going to need to offer something good to make them want to leave their country, family and friends it will also need to be a BIG love! It is possible but very hard.

Best solution? Move to the girls country! Its a different case then  :thumbsup:


40-50 year old guys = Not to bad chance IF you are realistic in the age criteria of the women you seek, 45 and over searching a women 38-41 you should have no problem, though still not easy and lots of work!


50-60 year old guys = The ideal age to find a partner from any FSU country if you seek a women in a realistic age criteria and are not wasting time chasing school girls about

it's as easy as 1-2-3

Thats the best and most realistic dating advice you can get when it comes to age.. tiphat




Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 08, 2019, 04:39:57 AM
Jeez, Steveboy - another GREAT piece of advice

Listen to the guy who actually does this for a living ..

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 05:24:02 AM

Not stalking but investigating. There's a difference because the intentions are different.


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 05:25:15 AM

Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.


Following your logic, if I am choosing free sites without pre-moderated communication, I am not genuine?  (:)
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 05:29:06 AM

Your point that must be highlighted is "websites which enable women to protect themselves can also be an ideal environment to milk hopeful guys"
This guaranteed protection claimed by the dating websites are plain scam.
Their men & women clients are adults who can protect themselves.
Their aim is to keep you on the website and mint money by making sure of no direct communication. I don't recommend such a website to anyone. Especially pay per letter, video chat services offered by such websites.


Exactly! If you can't protect yourself (both emotionally and financially), then you're not mature enough.

In that case any communication - no matter if real one, or virtual one; in your own country, or in another country - presents a danger for you.

Such people would better keep living in their glasshouses, without being exposed to the real world.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 08, 2019, 07:11:18 AM

Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.


Following your logic, if I am choosing free sites without pre-moderated communication, I am not genuine?  (:)

Nope, and you know it, your command of the English language is too good for you to have genuinely made that faulty connection.

You might be genuinely interested in meeting foreign guys and be happy to wade through the the grot and dick pics attendant with positing an attractive profile on a free site. Many women genuinely seeking a foreign bloke do not make that choice and so choose a site that mediates communication.

If I knew that you had used my information on a private site to track me down in ways not expected of users of the site I was on, I would think badly of you for doing it. Irrespective of the intent. In the end, you (Peter or Olga) can justify your stalking however you want but it is the perception of the target that matters. If I think you are being repugnant, stalky, intrusive, then I will reject you. Some might have lower standards, but if that's the case, why woukd they choose to use a site that places a premium upon privacy.

It ain't what you think that matters, but what your targets think.

Frankly, if you are going to stalk targets across the Internet then it seems sensible to never, ever, let on what you did because your target is unlikely to share your opinion about your stalking.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 08, 2019, 07:42:13 AM
Andrewfi proves - once again - that he has one rule for himself and those rules do not apply to others ...


 


If I knew that you had used my information on a private site to track me down in ways not expected of users of the site I was on, I would think badly of you for doing it. Irrespective of the intent.

Given the utter twaddle you have posted re wives of members and members who left because of your VERY personal 'guesstimations' of their lives - when ALL they have done is question your often risible 'assertions'/ conclusions' - you'll 'forgive' the raucous sounds of laughter emanating from myself ..


When you come over all holier than thou - re what you deem 'private info '  - it is a sight to behold ..

Example - you got bent out of shape when photos you had uploaded to facebook went more even public than you intended

Time for not a little navel gazing




Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 08, 2019, 07:45:20 AM

Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication in order that they don't have to deal with an endless flood of dick pics from no hopers, granddads, chancers, perverts and other pond life.


Following your logic, if I am choosing free sites without pre-moderated communication, I am not genuine?  (:)

Nope, and you know it, your command of the English language is too good for you to have genuinely made that faulty connection.

You might be genuinely interested in meeting foreign guys and be happy to wade through the the grot and dick pics attendant with positing an attractive profile on a free site. Many women genuinely seeking a foreign bloke do not make that choice and so choose a site that mediates communication.

If I knew that you had used my information on a private site to track me down in ways not expected of users of the site I was on, I would think badly of you for doing it. Irrespective of the intent. In the end, you (Peter or Olga) can justify your stalking however you want but it is the perception of the target that matters. If I think you are being repugnant, stalky, intrusive, then I will reject you. Some might have lower standards, but if that's the case, why woukd they choose to use a site that places a premium upon privacy.

It ain't what you think that matters, but what your targets think.

Frankly, if you are going to stalk targets across the Internet then it seems sensible to never, ever, let on what you did because your target is unlikely to share your opinion about your stalking.

Andrew your post shows that you always think with your head and rarely if ever with your heart.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 08, 2019, 07:49:01 AM
Confederate, what you wrote makes almost no sense. Given that how one feels about something is absolutely an emotional response then how can what you wrote be true?

Thinking is hard, eh?

Moby, what are you going on about now?
Slow down, have a little think and then try using truth and facts to create a case. Really, it might help you.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 08, 2019, 08:15:48 AM

This
what you wrote makes almost no sense. Given that how one feels about something is absolutely an emotional response then how can what you wrote be true?

Versus

Thinking is hard, eh?

You prove time and time again that it’s you who’s not capable of “thinking” with your heart.

This isn’t about me it’s about your technical response to Olga.

She made a thoughtful response, pragmatic and heartfelt.

You don’t wish to consider her opinion that there might be various exceptions to what you believe is ironclad.

You simply wish to win argument with her.

Opening your heart is hard, eh?
Title: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 09:46:32 AM
Nope, and you know it, your command of the English language is too good for you to have genuinely made that faulty connection.
Thank you for complimenting my English skills  tiphat  :knit:

You might be genuinely interested in meeting foreign guys and be happy to wade through the the grot and dick pics attendant with positing an attractive profile on a free site.
Many women genuinely seeking a foreign bloke do not make that choice and so choose a site that mediates communication.
Aha, so now "many"  :laugh: But not all  :laugh:  I can give you a few reasons why I am choosing free sites:
a) I do not like the idea of my "contact data" being sold ("purchase contact");
b) I do not like someone else to decide for me, whom shall I contact - and whom I shouldn't.
c) I am a grown up person, making my own decisions - and accepting responsibility for them. I want to find a man with similar mentality.
d) I do not want somebody "pre-moderating" the messages that I am receiving and sending, thus making (instead of me!) the decision what information I shall receive and give.

If I knew that you had used my information on a private site to track me down in ways not expected of users of the site I was on, I would think badly of you for doing it. Irrespective of the intent.
For me the intent matters.

In the end, you (Peter or Olga) can justify your stalking however you want but it is the perception of the target that matters. If I think you are being repugnant, stalky, intrusive, then I will reject you. Some might have lower standards, but if that's the case, why would they choose to use a site that places a premium upon privacy.
Aha, so now I am already stalking. Nice! An example:
- The guy writes on 3 dating sites that he's 50 y.o.;
- During one of the conversations (about parents) he says the birth year of his mother. Shall that digit be true, his mother would have given birth at the age of 50.
- I ask him about it. He answers that he was a late child, and that everyone thought his mother was his grandmother, bla-bla-bla.
- We speak about past jobs. He claims having worked for the company that "died" soon after the wall came down. I ask him how many years he has worked for this company; he said 6. It would mean, that he has started working there at the age of 16 - which is absolutely impossible.
- We briefly meet during one of my numerous trips to EU. Visually I would rate him between 55 and 60.
- I run one of his photos via Google search, and fall upon "stay friends" website - where his school years are noted.
- When I face him with that, he admits that he is 56.
So, Andrew, question: how do my actions qualify in your books? As stalking? or as due diligence?  ???

It ain't what you think that matters, but what your targets think.
The "target" (oh what a cold word!) should have thought better before lying. To me, at least  :chuckle:

Frankly, if you are going to stalk targets across the Internet then it seems sensible to never, ever, let on what you did because your target is unlikely to share your opinion about your stalking.
Well, the "target" in question obviously doesn't share my opinion about necessity of being sincere about the key aspects (age, aims, smoking \ non smoking, income level) from the very beginning  :biggrin:
Title: Staking vs. due diligence (to Confederate)
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 09:54:23 AM
You prove time and time again that it’s you who’s not capable of “thinking” with your heart.

This isn’t about me it’s about your technical response to Olga.

She made a thoughtful response, pragmatic and heartfelt.

You don’t wish to consider her opinion that there might be various exceptions to what you believe is ironclad.

You simply wish to win argument with her. Opening your heart is hard, eh?

Hi Confederate, first of all thank you  tiphat   for your support. I appreciate that  :thumbsup:

I do agree with you, that Andrew's reply was mainly about website policies, privacy, terms of use and all that bureaucratic crap. I do have a different point of view.

BUT I do not think that this thread (and forum as such) is about one person winning, and another losing. We are all different; we do have different points of view - based on our sex, age, cultural background and past experiences.

Exchanging our (yet so different!) points of view - is what this forum is about. We all win - because it gives us a chance to look at the situation from different angles.  Win - win !

Andrew's point of view IS already slowly changing (from "Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication" to "Many women genuinely seeking...") - so he is capable to critically analyze the information  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Confederate on April 08, 2019, 10:15:19 AM
You prove time and time again that it’s you who’s not capable of “thinking” with your heart.

This isn’t about me it’s about your technical response to Olga.

She made a thoughtful response, pragmatic and heartfelt.

You don’t wish to consider her opinion that there might be various exceptions to what you believe is ironclad.

You simply wish to win argument with her. Opening your heart is hard, eh?

Hi Confederate, first of all thank you  tiphat   for your support. I appreciate that  :thumbsup:

I do agree with you, that Andrew's reply was mainly about website policies, privacy, terms of use and all that bureaucratic crap. I do have a different point of view.

BUT I do not think that this thread (and forum as such) is about one person winning, and another losing. We are all different; we do have different points of view - based on our sex, age, cultural background and past experiences.

Exchanging our (yet so different!) points of view - is what this forum is about. We all win - because it gives us a chance to look at the situation from different angles.  Win - win !

Andrew's point of view IS already slowly changing (from "Genuine women choose sites that moderate communication" to "Many women genuinely seeking...") - so he is capable to critically analyze the information  :thumbsup:


You’re right, everyone can win. It’s refreshing to read your posts.  tiphat

In your detailed reply to Andrew above it became very clear what your thought process is and why you believe what you believe.

These discussions aren’t so much for me per se but for a young buck like “Lord of the Dance” who hasn’t yet made a trip to Ukraine or Russia.

Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 08, 2019, 11:00:19 AM
Pete how old are you? if you don't wanna say give me decades or over/under 30.

Over 30 Guile!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Lord of the Dance on April 08, 2019, 11:50:08 AM
These discussions aren’t so much for me per se but for a young buck like “Lord of the Dance” who hasn’t yet made a trip to Ukraine or Russia.

Thanks for the tag Confederate. I'll read this thread later tonight. ~ Doug
Title: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: 2tallbill on April 08, 2019, 12:27:18 PM
Aha, so now I am already stalking. Nice! An example:

Men and women check each other out, it's especially common in the current
internet age.

I have three sisters two are married and one is not. My unmarried sister runs
a credit and background check on any guy she dates. If somebody wanted to
call that stalking she couldn't care less, she would prefer to know if the guy
is deserving enough to date her.

Look at this board we tell guys to google a woman's name and address or
even sections of her letters.

It's not stalking, it's sifting through your options. There are millions of guys
out there so you can't date each one of them to figure out if he is a good choice. 
You use whatever technological tools you can find to help you weed out or sift
out the lesser options so that you can spend your valuable time examining the
higher quality options.

Those methods make total sense, and are EXACTLY what I advise men to do.
Cast a wide net, sift through what you find, immediately dump anybody with
any character issues, dump anybody who is less than totally interested in you
lather, rinse and repeat until you find a keeper then get on a plane.

How would my advice be any different for a woman?

Title: Re: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
My unmarried sister runs a credit and background check on any guy she dates. If somebody wanted to
call that stalking she couldn't care less, she would prefer to know if the guy is deserving enough to date her.

Thumbs up for your sis, Bill!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 08, 2019, 12:44:17 PM
Olga, there is no difference between men and women when checking the reality of the info, on say a dating site. In English it is often referred to as due diligence. The problem (stalking) comes when a person uses the information for either personal gain or to harass the other party. As far as I can see no one, including our hero Pete, has done this. Though there are some accusations too that present regarding three members.

It is a different matter if one snags images that are available on the internet (say FaceBook) and (mis)uses them. The standards are evolving but caution and courtesy should be the guiding principle.
Title: Stalking vs. due diligence
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 01:16:26 PM
    Olga, there is no difference between men and women when checking the reality of the info, on say a dating site. In English it is often referred to as due diligence.
    The problem (stalking) comes when a person uses the information for either personal gain or to harass the other party. As far as I can see no one, including our hero Pete, has done this. Though there are some accusations too that present regarding three members.
   It is a different matter if one snags images that are available on the internet (say FaceBook) and (mis)uses them. The standards are evolving but caution and courtesy should be the guiding principle.

Hi AvHdB,

I personally am not questioning the difference between staking and due diligence; but it seems that AndrewFI mixes the two different actions, with different intentions & and with different action vectors: one "inside" (self-protection), another "outside" (stalking).

Waiting for AndrewFI to post and tell us where (according to him) lies the border between these two actions  :popcorn:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 08, 2019, 06:07:32 PM

Yes, the IMBRA law was passed and applies to USA residents.  However, some dating agencies have tried to use it for other residents as well. For the most part, people in the USA consider it be more "red tape".

Online dating is becoming more common than local dating.  Yes, it should be easier to contact people from all over the world more easier now than 20 years ago.  But many here in this country do not date over the internet and I am sure many overseas will not do so as well.  Dating overseas carries the implication that you will have to sacrifice your life in your native land to change direction drastically.  The vast majority of the world will not do so (not counting the migrations at the southern US border and European migration from Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.) even where romance is concerned.  Note that the women do not have any contact restrictions when dating local guys, so you see the inequality being applied here?

Regarding a "body guard" during dating a stranger.  Advice has been given not to do dating with a stranger without adequate protection and supervision.  You could lose your life.  While very rare, some out there have significant mental problems.

UADreams was among one of the few sites that I looked at over several years ago.  They allow you to write a free introductory letter to any profile.  I wrote a letter to a lady who worked at a fitness center.  She later wrote back saying that she got a new job at another city and was cancelling her contract with the dating site and wished me good luck.  I guess that is how the ball bounces.   :duh:

What did you mean by the phrase 'people in the USA consider it be more "red tape"'. I didn't understand.

I also tried the services of UADreams for a short period. To be honest, I had more communication with their customer service representative than the models there. Their customer support told me that contradictory to popular belief, there are many good men in Ukraine & most women there are not interested in foreigners or leaving the country and are very satisfied by the lives they lead. Sure life is more convenient & blissful to stay in one's own country with family, friends & relatives around. They said that only a minority among them really look for foreign husbands. But the ones who are looking really don't mind a change in scenario. Other wise why even bother to seek a foreign man, right?

A body guard during dating a stranger. Yes I was told by their customer support about the possibility of men with mental issues visiting them. Hence the safety precaution. I know UADreams compulsorily arrange the first meeting of their clients at their branch offices, in the presence of a translator or branch manager. They act as the woman's body guard for the 1st hour during the first meet. This is a good safety measure for both individuals involved.

But the downside to this is in order for the 1st meet to ever happen it is mandatory that the male client must choose their ridiculously priced trip packages to meet the lady at their branch & only at their branch. No other public place. Also this agency will never reveal it's branches location address to you until you've paid for the trip package. Every service they provide will costs you 3 times the actual cost. You don't have the freedom to do things your own way. The translation charges are cut throat as well! They have 14 branches all over UKR. But not even one address is on the website. There is no name or photograph of the owner or the branches external view. Some of their previous clients who visited their multiple branches stated in their reviews that their offices are in very remote locations, had no billboard advertising saying 'UADreams'. But instead there was only an A2 size print out stuck on the front door glass that read something like 'free photo portfolio'. How credible of an agency is that?!

At least the reply that you got from the lady at UADreams sounded authentic and not repetitive or duplicated. She could have been real! Did she say which city she moved to. They have branch offices in most states. All she had to do was transfer her profile. Maybe she lost interest in on-line dating. What was your overall impression of this agency in the end of it all? How long where you there for? I was there for a month and a half.

Pete :")

My reference to "red tape" is an analogy to another government regulation intruding into personal dating.  The IMBRA law was enacted due to a case in this country involving a US man who married a foreign lady and ended up murdering her.  It was meant to "expose" those with suspicious backgrounds so they would have a more harder time in bringing in someone from another country to abuse them.

Yes, the agency controls your entire dating experience with any of the lady profiles.  Similar to like having a matchmaker escort beside your entire visit with the lady.  And you have few options to date as you see fit.

The lady that I wrote to did not indicate where her new job was located.  I presume that it was not in one of UADreams satellite office locations.  I also found her profile on another dating site and that profile was also removed at the same time as the UADreams one.  I think she gave priority to her career than dating and decided to drop the latter.  I registered several years ago and my profile is still there (although not active).  I sometimes still get letters from profiles off and on since that time just like for other dating sites that I registered many years ago.  And of course, I receive spam dating emails from profiles at sites where I have not registered at all.  (:)
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 08, 2019, 06:27:39 PM
Pete how old are you? if you don't wanna say give me decades or over/under 30.

Over 30 Guile!

Pete :")

Very few very young adults do international dating because they are just starting out in their career and they cannot afford to spend large sums of money dating UNLESS they were born with a "silver spoon" :money:  or they are raised in overseas locations. 
Title: Re: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: BillyB on April 08, 2019, 10:49:22 PM

I remember one FSU women engaged to a man and she created a profile with another woman's photos and wrote to her fiancée from that profile. Her fiancee wanted to hook up with the girl. She called it off.

Some men do that too. Some think it's unethical but it's your life and responsibility to learning the person you're engaged to is loyal. Trust but verify.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: andrewfi on April 08, 2019, 11:46:38 PM
Olga, your English is clearly better than mine. I am unable to make more clear my point.

My apologies for my failure to communicate with the clarity you need. Due to my inability to communicate I am not going to waste your time by revisiting a point I am unable to express properly.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on April 08, 2019, 11:55:23 PM
Olga, your English is clearly better than mine. I am unable to make more clear my point.

My apologies for my failure to communicate with the clarity you need. Due to my inability to communicate I am not going to waste your time by revisiting a point I am unable to express properly.


Oh, come on andy, you can do better than that ..

You are getting a good kicking for posting  SO daft

Having Manny 'protect' you  failed ..
Title: Andrew's attempt to avoid discussing facts (and flattering doesn't always help!)
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 09, 2019, 12:28:32 AM
Olga, your English is clearly better than mine.
Andrew dear, both you and me know it can't possibly be true  :)

I am unable to make more clear my point.
Sure you are! You just don't want (for whatever reason) to tell us where do you see the line between due diligence and stalking  :duh:

My apologies for my failure to communicate with the clarity you need. Due to my inability to communicate I am not going to waste your time by revisiting a point I am unable to express properly.
You're not willing to waste YOUR time on discussing this topic, I guess. Well, so be it - we're all free to speak here... and free to remain silent as well  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Andrew's attempt to avoid discussing facts (and flattering doesn't always help!)
Post by: Guile on April 09, 2019, 01:02:14 AM

Andrew dear, both you and I know it can't possibly be true  :)


fixed that...

Olga you are a pretty funny gal!  got that spunk (характер) that Russian women are known to have.  i like it hahaha
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 09, 2019, 08:51:50 AM
Hi Pete,

One can chuckle at the personalities as they interact, such is RUA.

Take the advice that fits and use it to your advantage. Begin to think of dates that you might be able to visit Russia, Ukraine and or Farawaystan. I certainly would formulate a plan B. Learn some basic Russian and study the culture and history of the target region.

Ask questions here and discard the popcorn munchers, inflexible opinions and those with an agenda.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: 2tallbill on April 09, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
The IMBRA law was enacted due to a case in this country involving
a US man who married a foreign lady and ended up murdering her. 

But when she served dinner the soup was cold!!
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: yankee on April 09, 2019, 03:13:37 PM
My wife and I met on LL and totally ignored IMBRA
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: AvHdB on April 09, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
IMBRA should not be an issue. Assuming Pete is from New Zealand and plans to settle there with his partner.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 09, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
The IMBRA law was enacted due to a case in this country involving
a US man who married a foreign lady and ended up murdering her. 

But when she served dinner the soup was cold!!

I do not know the full details involving the murder case, but I believe the husband hired someone else to dispose of the foreign lady?
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 09, 2019, 04:34:53 PM
My wife and I met on LL and totally ignored IMBRA

As long as you have a "clean background" the law should be irrelevant to you.  From what I heard about the situation where the law originated from the guy did NOT have a "clean background".  So the law would have been an issue with "closet homicidal maniacs".   :duh:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 09, 2019, 04:38:04 PM
IMBRA should not be an issue. Assuming Pete is from New Zealand and plans to settle there with his partner.

IMBRA is a US based regulation that applies to US based dating companies.  However, some foreign firms may try to "piggy back" and enforce some of these rules to their policies.  If putting more barriers up improve your "bottom line", then so much the better.   :nod:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: BillyB on April 09, 2019, 08:01:34 PM

American men have to meet IMBRA requirements if they use a marriage agency. I used an international dating site finding my wife and didn't need to submit the required paperwork.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 01:06:38 AM

It works like this now:

30-38 year old guys= very little chance , nearly zero as they will be looking for a girl 28-33 women this age simply are not interested any more, yes ok a few maybe , but very few AND your going to need to offer something good to make them want to leave their country, family and friends it will also need to be a BIG love! It is possible but very hard.

Best solution? Move to the girls country! Its a different case then  :thumbsup:


40-50 year old guys = Not to bad chance IF you are realistic in the age criteria of the women you seek, 45 and over searching a women 38-41 you should have no problem, though still not easy and lots of work!


50-60 year old guys = The ideal age to find a partner from any FSU country if you seek a women in a realistic age criteria and are not wasting time chasing school girls about

it's as easy as 1-2-3

Thats the best and most realistic dating advice you can get when it comes to age.. tiphat

Thanks Steve for the advice.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 01:10:23 AM

Not stalking but investigating. There's a difference because the intentions are different.


 :thumbsup:


Thanks Olga for all your support. A woman with good common sense & brains!

Pete :")
Title: Re: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 06:15:36 AM
Aha, so now I am already stalking. Nice! An example:

Men and women check each other out, it's especially common in the current
internet age.

I have three sisters two are married and one is not. My unmarried sister runs
a credit and background check on any guy she dates. If somebody wanted to
call that stalking she couldn't care less, she would prefer to know if the guy
is deserving enough to date her.

Look at this board we tell guys to google a woman's name and address or
even sections of her letters.

It's not stalking, it's sifting through your options. There are millions of guys
out there so you can't date each one of them to figure out if he is a good choice. 
You use whatever technological tools you can find to help you weed out or sift
out the lesser options so that you can spend your valuable time examining the
higher quality options.

Those methods make total sense, and are EXACTLY what I advise men to do.
Cast a wide net, sift through what you find, immediately dump anybody with
any character issues, dump anybody who is less than totally interested in you
lather, rinse and repeat until you find a keeper then get on a plane.

How would my advice be any different for a woman?

Informative post! :thumbsup: Clever sister!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 06:20:57 AM
Olga, there is no difference between men and women when checking the reality of the info, on say a dating site. In English it is often referred to as due diligence. The problem (stalking) comes when a person uses the information for either personal gain or to harass the other party. As far as I can see no one, including our hero Pete, has done this. Though there are some accusations too that present regarding three members.

It is a different matter if one snags images that are available on the internet (say FaceBook) and (mis)uses them. The standards are evolving but caution and courtesy should be the guiding principle.


Thank you AvHdB for making my perspective more clearer for the readers!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 06:33:43 AM

Very few very young adults do international dating because they are just starting out in their career and they cannot afford to spend large sums of money dating UNLESS they were born with a "silver spoon" :money:  or they are raised in overseas locations.

Thanks for this bit of information!

Pete :")
Title: Re: Staking vs. due diligence
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 06:49:47 AM

I remember one FSU women engaged to a man and she created a profile with another woman's photos and wrote to her fiancée from that profile. Her fiancee wanted to hook up with the girl. She called it off.

Some men do that too. Some think it's unethical but it's your life and responsibility to learning the person you're engaged to is loyal. Trust but verify.

Wow!! That was neatly done by the lady! Be loyal. Resist temptations guys. For none of it ends up to be good. Yes finding out whether your partner is truly a good apple & worth your time & life is important before making further steps.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 06:57:51 AM
Olga, your English is clearly better than mine. I am unable to make more clear my point.

My apologies for my failure to communicate with the clarity you need. Due to my inability to communicate I am not going to waste your time by revisiting a point I am unable to express properly.

But you did make your perspective clear. We do understand you and your reasons for your choice. Good man, great ethics but the wrong place to practice them with blind trust. Thank you Sir for your input.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 07:05:49 AM
Hi Pete,

One can chuckle at the personalities as they interact, such is RUA.

Take the advice that fits and use it to your advantage. Begin to think of dates that you might be able to visit Russia, Ukraine and or Farawaystan. I certainly would formulate a plan B. Learn some basic Russian and study the culture and history of the target region.

Ask questions here and discard the popcorn munchers, inflexible opinions and those with an agenda.


Your points all taken in, as a dry sponge! Thanks AvHdB. That's exactly what I do before I make a trip! But thank you anyway.

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 11, 2019, 07:17:52 AM

As long as you have a "clean background" the law should be irrelevant to you.  From what I heard about the situation where the law originated from the guy did NOT have a "clean background".  So the law would have been an issue with "closet homicidal maniacs".   :duh:

Thanks for sharing information on the IMBRA & how it came to be. I won't be needing it though. But isn't the law compulsory for all U.S. citizens marrying women from foreign countries?

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: dcguyusa on April 11, 2019, 05:17:46 PM

As long as you have a "clean background" the law should be irrelevant to you.  From what I heard about the situation where the law originated from the guy did NOT have a "clean background".  So the law would have been an issue with "closet homicidal maniacs".   :duh:

Thanks for sharing information on the IMBRA & how it came to be. I won't be needing it though. But isn't the law compulsory for all U.S. citizens marrying women from foreign countries?

Pete :")

The law was meant to "restrict" US men who used foreign dating services by "forcing" them to provide evidence or sign an affidavit that they are not "abusers" or someone with a criminal background.  People from other countries should not need to be concerned with this - until someone in that country does something nefarious with a foreign spouse.   :fighting0025:
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: alwayspete on April 12, 2019, 01:10:41 AM

The law was meant to "restrict" US men who used foreign dating services by "forcing" them to provide evidence or sign an affidavit that they are not "abusers" or someone with a criminal background.  People from other countries should not need to be concerned with this - until someone in that country does something nefarious with a foreign spouse.   :fighting0025:

Got it! Thanks a bunch!

Pete :")
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Brian275 on December 04, 2019, 05:04:56 PM
Pete there is a site known as https://www.ukrainedate.com/  where you pay for 1 month, 3 months or one year membership. Then the lady if she also has a paid membership can give you her contact details directly.

Many or most of the women on PPL sites have no clue who you are, it’s a complete scam. A translator is writing the letters to you, the models just check in once a week for their cut of the profit.

PT Barnum is attributed with saying there’s “a sucker born every minute”* and these sites are masters at extracting $$ from gullible westerners.

Steveboy’s site looks far more legitimate to me. Give up your illusion and start over completely. Good luck.

* also attributed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Joe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/06/ukraine-wife-internet-romance-industry-online-scam

Given those sites don't have any moral scruples I wonder why they even pay the girls in the first place. One would think they'd just steal their pictures from VK, Mamba, rival dating sites, Google Images, etc. Although I am sure many do operate like this.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Brian275 on December 04, 2019, 05:11:25 PM
Pete, you need to actually read the responses you get here....

you were told about VPN's, and yet you still asked how it's possible for Ukrainians to access sites.
Virtual Private Networks
I use Nord, and it's worth the small amount costs

cheers

Yep, thats exactly how. Most of my Ukrainian friends still use it. Initially after the ban many stopped using it. But it didn't take long for them to get that VPN.
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: Brian275 on December 04, 2019, 05:20:47 PM

I'm old enough. I've travelled before.

You are offered the job for a couple of hours for 3 days in a week or so. The pay per hour is good. But still won't do. Rent in Ukraine is not cheap so this may just cover the rent. Does it help. Sure it does. Is that enough. Sure it's not. Thanks again.

Pete :")

It's not about age but experience...with the type of questions you are asking it shows you haven't done it before.

Forget about teaching English in Ukraine. no money there. I mean go to Moscow.

The main factor is what age range of woman are you looking at.  Someone in their 20's is completely different than someone in their 40's. Aim for a 5-7 year gap if you are under 35.  If you are over than you got more leeway.


Actually every thing comes down to your age today when pursuing a FSU women..

Lots has changed in the last 6/7 years when it comes to searching a women from say Russia.. I did offer $1000.00 here a few years ago as the wedding present to any guy who marries a girl under 30 and posts his pictures and story here.. no one ever got to get that.. to late now I need the money :)

It works like this now:

30-38 year old guys= very little chance , nearly zero as they will be looking for a girl 28-33 women this age simply are not interested any more, yes ok a few maybe , but very few AND your going to need to offer something good to make them want to leave their country, family and friends it will also need to be a BIG love! It is possible but very hard.

Best solution? Move to the girls country! Its a different case then  :thumbsup:


40-50 year old guys = Not to bad chance IF you are realistic in the age criteria of the women you seek, 45 and over searching a women 38-41 you should have no problem, though still not easy and lots of work!


50-60 year old guys = The ideal age to find a partner from any FSU country if you seek a women in a realistic age criteria and are not wasting time chasing school girls about

it's as easy as 1-2-3

Thats the best and most realistic dating advice you can get when it comes to age.. tiphat

I do think the younger guys can 'get lucky' though, to some extent, in the FSU. But by 'getting lucky' I mean one-night stands. If they have enough 'game' and are decent looking enough then they can be successful in the clubs. Have seen it plenty of times during my years in the region. But being successful in the DATING world? Entirely different. Again, as you said, unless he moves there then its really difficult. At least nowadays. And, obviously most 'wife/girlfriend' hunters aren't going to be satisfied with one-night stands and neither should they be. To each their own but it's really not fulfilling. 
Title: Re: VK Ban for Ukrainians!?!
Post by: msmoby on December 07, 2019, 07:17:21 AM
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Yep, thats exactly how. Most of my Ukrainian friends still use it. Initially after the ban many stopped using it. But it didn't take long for them to get that VPN.

I had to laugh..When  the previous UA President introduced the ban, Russian sites were full of VPN info to help Ukrainians access VK, etc.,

When the Kremlin banned Linkedin and later Telegram and even the use of VPNs  - access banned sites...  most seemed to miss any irony ..


Most RU folk I know have joined Telegram ....