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Title: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 09:03:49 AM
The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/01/28/kremlin-denies-sending-mercenaries-to-venezuela-a64309


From Newsweek
RUSSIAN SECRET MILITARY MERCENARIES DEPLOYED TO VENEZUELA
TO PROTECT MADURO FROM COUP, CAPTURE

http://www.newsweek.com/russian-military-venezuela-maduro-coup-1306071



From Reuters
Exclusive: Kremlin-linked contractors help guard Venezuela's Maduro
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-russia-exclusive/exclusive-kremlin-linked-contractors-help-guard-venezuelas-maduro-sources-idUSKCN1PJ22M



WAR FOR HIRE How world’s next global power could be a PRIVATE army amid fears
Russia is about to unleash mercenary battalions in Venezuela

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8479911/how-worlds-next-global-power-could-be-a-private-army-amid-fears-russia-is-about-to-unleash-mercenary-battalions-in-venezuela/



(http://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/RR-MAP-mercenaries-V4.jpg?w=960)


Wagner group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin and Vladmir Putin
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/NINTCHDBPICT000387776653.jpg?w=960)


Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 22, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
2tallbill

Perfect list of sources you outlined above.... especially the one where you borrowed the map about Russian Contractors.... Mercenaries you mean....... :ROFL:

You forgot to mention the US Academy etc..... Mercenaries used by your Government during the past .....century etc and still is using!  :'(

Nice try to cover the USA intentions and actions regarding the Latest US actions against  Venezuela ..... which is suffering because of the USA sanctions........

Any how just to educate you watch this video.

The Coup in Venezuela, Explained


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STcepwXxwWA

 :ROFL:  tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2019, 01:43:36 AM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..

Carry on ..

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on February 23, 2019, 07:22:43 AM
The competence of the government is absolutely irrelevant as a factor in the Venezuelan economy given the external powers limiting the normal functioning of that economy.

No normal economy could be expected to function effectively given the constraints placed upon Venezuela by and through the efforts of the United States.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 23, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..
of heavy sanctions
Carry on ..
FTFY.

the only reason usa supports yet another coup (because even if mad. resigns the other guy is not in the picture) is because he promised to sell the oil companies to usa stakeholders which mad. didnt want.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..
of heavy sanctions
Carry on ..
FTFY.

the only reason usa supports yet another coup (because even if mad. resigns the other guy is not in the picture) is because he promised to sell the oil companies to usa stakeholders which mad. didnt want.

IIRC either Chavez or Maduro (or both of them) stole Billions from the USA when they nationalized oil assets.

They owe us big time as well Maduro is a thief against his own people. He’s got to go and it’s time the people of Venezuela have a proper leader.

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 23, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..

Carry on ..

I don't have to answer your silly comment ..... Andrew And Mark have given the answer, which of course, knowing you, you probably try to dispute!

What's happen?

Can't you get a visa to Russia...... and have to travel to Georgia........ to meet your cover girl?

Poor Noby what you have to go through..........in your adventures...... to earn your keep!

 :ROFL:

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 11:37:15 AM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..

Carry on ..

I don't have to answer your silly comment ..... Andrew And Mark have given the answer, which of course, knowing you, you probably try to dispute!

What's happen?

Can't you get a visa to Russia...... and have to travel to Georgia........ to meet your cover girl?

Poor Noby what you have to go through..........in your adventures...... to earn your keep!

 :ROFL:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/amp/

and

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/world/americas/venezuela-oil-economy.amp.html
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2019, 12:00:33 PM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..

Carry on ..

Andrew And Mark have given the answer, which of course, knowing you, you probably try to dispute!

The former's judgement is no basis for validation ...  if that was your 'best shot'

Right now the army are abandoning their posts to allow  'banned' aid in .... 


Can't you get a visa to Russia...... and have to travel to Georgia........ to meet your cover girl?

'Cover girl' isn't coming to Georgia  and it is a constant source of amusement to read of my 'not having / not being able to get an RU visa  :chuckle:

Your estimations of others lives are as wacky as your opinion on Venezuela

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 23, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..
of heavy sanctions
Carry on ..
FTFY.

the only reason usa supports yet another coup (because even if mad. resigns the other guy is not in the picture) is because he promised to sell the oil companies to usa stakeholders which mad. didnt want.

IIRC either Chavez or Maduro (or both of them) stole Billions from the USA when they nationalized oil assets.

They owe us big time as well Maduro is a thief against his own people. He’s got to go and it’s time the people of Venezuela have a proper leader.

Even if what you say is true, does that mean that you can interfere in honest democtratic countries and actually pick the leader you want by starving the population and then propping up a leader as 'saviour' who will be able to feed his people?

I thnk Russian Collusion is a joke compared to these actions, they are not even close to respecting sovereignity.

Juan Guaidó, is not in the line of succession even if a revolt happens and Maduro is removed from office.

Too bad that America didn't recognise the ICC, otherwise your case could be heard fair and impartial by a third state body instead of forcing your will on other countries.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..
of heavy sanctions
Carry on ..
FTFY.

the only reason usa supports yet another coup (because even if mad. resigns the other guy is not in the picture) is because he promised to sell the oil companies to usa stakeholders which mad. didnt want.

IIRC either Chavez or Maduro (or both of them) stole Billions from the USA when they nationalized oil assets.

They owe us big time as well Maduro is a thief against his own people. He’s got to go and it’s time the people of Venezuela have a proper leader.

Even if what you say is true, does that mean that you can interfere in honest democtratic countries and actually pick the leader you want by starving the population and then propping up a leader as 'saviour' who will be able to feed his people?

I thnk Russian Collusion is a joke compared to these actions, they are not even close to respecting sovereignity.

Juan Guaidó, is not in the line of succession even if a revolt happens and Maduro is removed from office.

Too bad that America didn't recognise the ICC, otherwise your case could be heard fair and impartial by a third state body instead of forcing your will on other countries.

Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 23, 2019, 12:20:32 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2019, 12:24:54 PM


I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

'Ri-ight' - you are in denial about the force used in Crimea - which 100:11, 13:1 at the UK was condemned

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

Those of us with long memories will remember you telling us that Poroshenko is not the legally elected President ....  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
The competence of the government is absolutely irrelevant as a factor in the Venezuelan economy given the external powers limiting the normal functioning of that economy.

No normal economy could be expected to function effectively given the constraints placed upon Venezuela by and through the efforts of the United States.

As ever, Andrewfi attempts to move the (correctly allocated) blame to a third party / nation ( delete as appropriate)

Venezuela - under Chavez and his followers failed ( big time) with their Social experiments and had 'help' from Moscow to deliver said policies .... 

Ah.... THAT would be why we have andrewfi on here blaming the US  :chuckle:

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

I think you know I meant Crimea. Playing word games doesn’t absolve you of your support of the war in Donbas being waged by Russia against Ukraine. 10,000 innocent people have died and their blood is on Putin’s hands. The people of Ukraine call it an invasion and they ought to know. The whole World is on their side.

Just as the people of Venezuela and most of the World support Guaido.



Title: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2019, 12:36:37 PM
2tallbill
Nice try to cover the USA intentions and actions regarding the Latest US actions against  Venezuela ..... which is suffering because of the USA sanctions........

Wiz,

Things have been slow around here so I posted some articles to encourage debate.

You do sound a little bit like Fidel Castro calling US sanctions "An American Blockade" 
The US isn't trading with Venezuela as much as they did previously because they nationalized
stuff, then they borrowed money and didn't pay it back. The USA doesn't have to buy anything
from anybody they don't want.

The current regime is badly managing things. They sucked all the money out of their oil
industry but didn't make prudent maintenance and upgrades that they needed to continue
keeping the oil flowing, then the price of oil dropped and they couldn't suck out as much
money so they continued cannibalizing.

Here is a five year chart on oil production. 
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/venezuela-crude-oil-production@2x.png?s=venezuelacruoilpro&v=201902121237a1&d1=20140101&d2=20191231) 


The current regime has been worried about a palace coup so they gave their military
generals all of these ministries to run. The corrupt military Generals are robbing the
ministries blind and they can't keep simple things like water running.

How anyone can claim that the USA had anything to do with the corruption and
mismanagement and lowering the production capacity is beyond me. I will say
that some of the US policies could have helped lower the world wide price of oil,
but that's a really complex subject that could cover a hundred pages of debate.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trump denies sending mercenary Richard Branson for Live Aid Concert
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2019, 12:58:04 PM
NOTE: The subject line was a joke, Trump made no such claim.  :chuckle:


Venezuela Live Aid Kicks Off Amid Calls For Liberty, Richard Branson Comments

(https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/Sir-Richard-Branson-Venezuela-Aid-Live-concert-feb-22-2019-billboard-1548.jpg)


I skipped ahead to 1 hour 5 minutes to hear some of the music from the
Live Aid Concert. In my opinion some of the music is really good, but they
have it interspersed with all sorts of Spanish political BS throughout. 

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 23, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

I think you know I meant Crimea. Playing word games doesn’t absolve you of your support of the war in Donbas being waged by Russia against Ukraine. 10,000 innocent people have died and their blood is on Putin’s hands. The people of Ukraine call it an invasion and they ought to know. The whole World is on their side.

Just as the people of Venezuela and most of the World support Guaido.

First
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24751.msg448976/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448976

Second
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24769.msg448787/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448787


And yes , my own bias is very, very clear. Anti-war.
And now tell me again how I support that war.

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.
Crimea had the right by law to choose, and just because thats an inconvenient truth does not make it any less truthful.

Crimea was before 2014  "The autonomous republic of Crimea within Ukraine" if you named it properly and fully. Perhaps that will give you a hint.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2019, 01:17:31 PM

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.


Well, there's a fib - right from the get, go
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 01:32:00 PM
2tallbill
Nice try to cover the USA intentions and actions regarding the Latest US actions against  Venezuela ..... which is suffering because of the USA sanctions........

Wiz,

Things have been slow around here so I posted some articles to encourage debate.

You do sound a little bit like Fidel Castro calling US sanctions "An American Blockade" 
The US isn't trading with Venezuela as much as they did previously because they nationalized
stuff, then they borrowed money and didn't pay it back. The USA doesn't have to buy anything
from anybody they don't want.

The current regime is badly managing things. They sucked all the money out of their oil
industry but didn't make prudent maintenance and upgrades that they needed to continue
keeping the oil flowing, then the price of oil dropped and they couldn't suck out as much
money so they continued cannibalizing.

Here is a five year chart on oil production. 
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/venezuela-crude-oil-production@2x.png?s=venezuelacruoilpro&v=201902121237a1&d1=20140101&d2=20191231) 


The current regime has been worried about a palace coup so they gave their military
generals all of these ministries to run. The corrupt military Generals are robbing the
ministries blind and they can't keep simple things like water running.

How anyone can claim that the USA had anything to do with the corruption and
mismanagement and lowering the production capacity
is beyond me. I will say
that some of the US policies could have helped lower the world wide price of oil,
but that's a really complex subject that could cover a hundred pages of debate.

Udachi!

Bill


Well said Bill. Maduro is a crook. He and his daughter and his cronies have wrecked a once prosperous nation by corruption mismanagement and theft.

The people of Venezuela deserve far better.

Arguing with Wiz though is likely a waste of time. He’s like a wind-up monkey who can only repeat “USA bad, USA bad”.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

I think you know I meant Crimea. Playing word games doesn’t absolve you of your support of the war in Donbas being waged by Russia against Ukraine. 10,000 innocent people have died and their blood is on Putin’s hands. The people of Ukraine call it an invasion and they ought to know. The whole World is on their side.

Just as the people of Venezuela and most of the World support Guaido.

First
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24751.msg448976/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448976

Second
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24769.msg448787/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448787


And yes , my own bias is very, very clear. Anti-war.
And now tell me again how I support that war.

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.
Crimea had the right by law to choose, and just because thats an inconvenient truth does not make it any less truthful.

Crimea was before 2014  "The autonomous republic of Crimea within Ukraine" if you named it properly and fully. Perhaps that will give you a hint.

You can play word games until you’re blue in the face but it won’t change the truth; Crimean lawmakers were held at gunpoint by Russian special forces and told how to vote.

It was hardly lawful in fact they weren’t given a choice except for no choice. The entire thing was a farce held at gunpoint.

Admittedly it was a well organized and swift invasion involving Russian special forces with overwhelming firepower.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 23, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Wiz,

Venezuela is suffering because incompetent leadership..

Carry on ..

I don't have to answer your silly comment ..... Andrew And Mark have given the answer, which of course, knowing you, you probably try to dispute!

What's happen?

Can't you get a visa to Russia...... and have to travel to Georgia........ to meet your cover girl?

Poor Noby what you have to go through..........in your adventures...... to earn your keep!

 :ROFL:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/amp/

and

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/world/americas/venezuela-oil-economy.amp.html

I can't be bothered with all your excuses regarding the distraction of Venezuela from the Mafia Administration of your country.

Educate your self by reading the following:

How Much of Venezuela’s Crisis Is Really Maduro’s Fault? (https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-much-of-venezuelas-crisis-is-really-maduros-fault/5669091)

There are several factors for Venezuela’s economic crisis, but you wouldn’t know it by listening to U.S. leaders or following corporate media, writes Steve Ellner.

The recognition by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and former Vice President Joe Biden of Juan Guaidó as Venezuelan president is the latest demonstration of the consensus in Washington over the nefariousness of the Nicolás Maduro government. Not since Fidel Castro’s early years in power has a Latin American head of state been so consistently demonized. But the 1960s was the peak of the Cold War polarization that placed Cuba plainly in the enemy camp, and unlike Venezuela today, that nation had a one-party system.

Click the Blew title and read the above and below articles.

Trump Declares Global War on Socialism (https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-declares-global-war-on-socialism/5669072)

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 23, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
You can play word games until you’re blue in the face but it won’t change the truth; Crimean lawmakers were held at gunpoint by Russian special forces and told how to vote.

It was hardly lawful in fact they weren’t given a choice except for no choice. The entire thing was a farce held at gunpoint.

Admittedly it was a well organized and swift invasion involving Russian special forces with overwhelming firepower.
And yet, I saw one of the biggest street party EVER going on. All people were drunk and shouting 'we are going home' on the streets , this was the eve before the vote.

Crimean lawmakers didn't have to vote, the people did. And the people voted to join Russia.

Oh and overwhelming firepower? Not really, it was only the batallion stationed at Sevastopol that left base and 1 more regiment of special forces I think. Ukrainian forces defected en-masse and the few that didn't were allowed to leave peacefully.

Yeah good luck convincing someone with a Crimean wife how stuff went down.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 02:56:07 PM
You can play word games until you’re blue in the face but it won’t change the truth; Crimean lawmakers were held at gunpoint by Russian special forces and told how to vote.

It was hardly lawful in fact they weren’t given a choice except for no choice. The entire thing was a farce held at gunpoint.

Admittedly it was a well organized and swift invasion involving Russian special forces with overwhelming firepower.
And yet, I saw one of the biggest street party EVER going on. All people were drunk and shouting 'we are going home' on the streets , this was the eve before the vote.

Crimean lawmakers didn't have to vote, the people did. And the people voted to join Russia.

Oh and overwhelming firepower? Not really, it was only the batallion stationed at Sevastopol that left base and 1 more regiment of special forces I think. Ukrainian forces defected en-masse and the few that didn't were allowed to leave peacefully.

Yeah good luck convincing someone with a Crimean wife how stuff went down.

By the time of your “big party” the pro-Ukrainian people knew they could be unlawfully detained and have their property stolen.

Here’s a factual account of numbers, prior to the unlawful referendum. Those are decidedly pro-Ukrainian numbers.

On February 26, thousands of protesters clashed in Simferopol.[24] Near the Supreme Council of Crimea building between 4,000 and 5,000 Crimean Tatars and supporters of the Euromaidan-Crimea movement faced 600–700 supporters of pro-Russian organisations and the Russian Unity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 23, 2019, 02:57:58 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

I think you know I meant Crimea. Playing word games doesn’t absolve you of your support of the war in Donbas being waged by Russia against Ukraine. 10,000 innocent people have died and their blood is on Putin’s hands. The people of Ukraine call it an invasion and they ought to know. The whole World is on their side.

Just as the people of Venezuela and most of the World support Guaido.

First
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24751.msg448976/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448976

Second
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24769.msg448787/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448787


And yes , my own bias is very, very clear. Anti-war.
And now tell me again how I support that war.

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.
Crimea had the right by law to choose, and just because thats an inconvenient truth does not make it any less truthful.

Crimea was before 2014  "The autonomous republic of Crimea within Ukraine" if you named it properly and fully. Perhaps that will give you a hint.

You can play word games until you’re blue in the face but it won’t change the truth; Crimean lawmakers were held at gunpoint by Russian special forces and told how to vote.

It was hardly lawful in fact they weren’t given a choice except for no choice. The entire thing was a farce held at gunpoint.

Admittedly it was a well organized and swift invasion involving Russian special forces with overwhelming firepower.

As I am in a hurry to watch TV ...........EDUCATE YOUR SELF ABOUT CRIMEA by reading the following:

Self-determination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination)

and also the UN Nation rules:

https://www.humanrights.ch/cms/upload/pdf/100112_self-determination_as_a_basic_human_rights_cindy_holder.pdf

As about the 10,000 dea Ukrainian people....... I suggest you ask the CIA Director who visited Kiev and next day poroshenko started attacks on Donbass.

But I see you started believing all the Fake news and Lies spread around the world by your Jewish controlled Administration and mass Media in your country!

One day you will wake up but it would be too late.............the USA Empire will be bust.!

 tiphat


 
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 23, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
How Much of Venezuela’s Crisis Is Really Maduro’s Fault? (https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-much-of-venezuelas-crisis-is-really-maduros-fault/5669091)

In fact the foundation for the debacle of Venezuela can be laid at Chavez 'leadership.'

Maduro  continued to plunder the country and its assets. Here is an interesting fact there are more generals in the Venezuela military than any other army in the world.

This is an entirely homegrown debacle. There are countries who manage their assets quite well and provide as a socialist country for the population. This is the epic fail of Venezuela

Wiz that you cannot see this says something about your mentality towards a accepting responsibility. Much like your claims regarding Greece it is always someone else's fault. Usually the United States.

Wiz, perhaps your soap box is lonely, go rant there.

Confederate, be careful you may assume the title of Zionist/Jewish whatever the BS title that wiz has.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 23, 2019, 04:41:15 PM
Says the guy who supports the unlawful annexation of Ukraine by force and the continued invasion of Donbas by force.

An impartial third state body? The UN has condemned Russian acts in Ukraine.
Really?

I don't support any war , you can read all my opinions on that subject in multiple topics.

There was also no unlawful annexation of Ukraine , Last i checked Poroshenko still ruled in Kiev.

I think you know I meant Crimea. Playing word games doesn’t absolve you of your support of the war in Donbas being waged by Russia against Ukraine. 10,000 innocent people have died and their blood is on Putin’s hands. The people of Ukraine call it an invasion and they ought to know. The whole World is on their side.

Just as the people of Venezuela and most of the World support Guaido.

First
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24751.msg448976/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448976

Second
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24769.msg448787/highlight,dead+children.html#msg448787


And yes , my own bias is very, very clear. Anti-war.
And now tell me again how I support that war.

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.
Crimea had the right by law to choose, and just because thats an inconvenient truth does not make it any less truthful.

Crimea was before 2014  "The autonomous republic of Crimea within Ukraine" if you named it properly and fully. Perhaps that will give you a hint.

You can play word games until you’re blue in the face but it won’t change the truth; Crimean lawmakers were held at gunpoint by Russian special forces and told how to vote.

It was hardly lawful in fact they weren’t given a choice except for no choice. The entire thing was a farce held at gunpoint.

Admittedly it was a well organized and swift invasion involving Russian special forces with overwhelming firepower.

As I am in a hurry to watch TV ...........EDUCATE YOUR SELF ABOUT CRIMEA by reading the following:

Self-determination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination)

and also the UN Nation rules:

https://www.humanrights.ch/cms/upload/pdf/100112_self-determination_as_a_basic_human_rights_cindy_holder.pdf

As about the 10,000 dead Ukrainian people....... I suggest you ask the CIA Director who visited Kiev and next day poroshenko started attacks on Donbass.

But I see you started believing all the Fake news and Lies spread around the world by your Jewish controlled Administration and mass Media in your country!

One day you will wake up but it would be too late.............the USA Empire will be bust.!

 tiphat


Let me ‘splain it to you so that even a one-track mind such as yours can comprehend.

Russia likes to say that they had to invade Ukraine in order to protect ethnic-Russian speakers.

Well if the USA liberates Venezuela from tinpot crook Maduro it’s because we have to protect ethnic-Capitalists in Venezuela from being forced to eat rats.

See how that works?  :laugh:  tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on February 24, 2019, 07:25:43 AM

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.


Well, there's a fib - right from the get, go

You know full well he meant majority.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 24, 2019, 08:10:56 AM
Isn't amazing the terrible twins...... the Zionist Troll and also the Nationalistic Troll too, did not read any of the articles I posted links........ and they are
making posts against my earlier post  WITHOUT any reasonable comments in their replies.???

Talk between you two and don't expect me to help you out!

Have you not realised that both of you have nothing valuable to offer apart from empty words..... to justify the "humanitarian Actions"  :evilgrin0002: of the Israhell run Mafia USA government?

I never thought that you are you so brainless and will try to convince the world for your real "humanitarian intentions", to invade and steal the Oil and natural resources from Venezuela?.

BTW Confed   Venezuela does not owe you anything, on the contrary .... check your facts to see who stole assets from who?

Sorry but we have lovely sunshine here now, and I have to visit two very beautiful young ladies and have fun in the park, instead of wasting my time talking to two brick walls.

You two continue trying to make America Great ... again..... and don't forget to build that wall ........  :'(

I have more interesting things to do with my life...

 tiphat

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 24, 2019, 09:06:52 AM
I read your links Wiz. They don’t change the reality about Maduro. The link you provided about Trump fighting against socialism was comical.

Meanwhile Maduro thugs killed two demonstrators in clashes over humanitarian aid.

However 60 of Maduro’s soldiers have defected. His days are numbered.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47348293
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 24, 2019, 09:39:30 AM
I read your links Wiz. They don’t change the reality about Maduro. The link you provided about Trump fighting against socialism was comical.

Meanwhile Maduro thugs killed two demonstrators in clashes over humanitarian aid.

However 60 of Maduro’s soldiers have defected. His days are numbered.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47348293

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia........

The fact is simple: So far Not 1 Officer has deserted Maduro...... and the USA is blatantly a terrorist Nation.... who invades and steals other small countries.

Look you own history..... how many countries you have invaded and destroyed and how many millions of people you have killed!

BTW what happened to Venezuela's gold?

God Bless America........ :sick0012:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on February 24, 2019, 10:20:31 AM

Re: Crimea.. there was no Illegal annexation of Crimea, it was fully supported by the will of everyone who lives there.


Well, there's a fib - right from the get, go

You know full well he meant majority.

Some things should be explicit, for people who aren't playing with a full deck of cards.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: BillyB on February 24, 2019, 10:48:49 AM
The competence of the government is absolutely irrelevant as a factor in the Venezuelan economy given the external powers limiting the normal functioning of that economy.

No normal economy could be expected to function effectively given the constraints placed upon Venezuela by and through the efforts of the United States.

If you are dependent on your parents and you ruin your relationship with them and they quit supporting you and you are struggling on your own to survive, who's fault it that? If what you say is true, then Chavez and Maduro are fools for ruining their relationship with America. They preferred to do business with China and Russia who aren't capable of taking care of them. America is under no obligation to be friendly and do business with those who are hostile towards us.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 24, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
I read your links Wiz. They don’t change the reality about Maduro. The link you provided about Trump fighting against socialism was comical.

Meanwhile Maduro thugs killed two demonstrators in clashes over humanitarian aid.

However 60 of Maduro’s soldiers have defected. His days are numbered.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47348293

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia........

The fact is simple: So far Not 1 Officer has deserted Maduro...... and the USA is blatantly a terrorist Nation.... who invades and steals other small countries.

Look you own history..... how many countries you have invaded and destroyed and how many millions of people you have killed!

BTW what happened to Venezuela's gold?

God Bless America........ :sick0012:

Poor Wiz, stuck in a rut as always.

The only terrorist is Maduro who deprives his citizens of food and medicine and orders his military to block much needed aid and shoot protesters.

Venezuela has more officers in their military than any other country, why you ask? Since he starves his own people he bribes military officers to protect him and keep him in power; they’re overpaid but it’s his insurance policy.

Guaidó is supported by 50 countries now, the imposter Maduro must go. Leave in exile, go to prison or pushing daisies. Soon.

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 24, 2019, 12:10:32 PM
Isn't amazing the terrible twins......

Ah the terrible twins, AKA Mr. Dodge and Paste & Mr. Lie and Swerve.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Guile on February 24, 2019, 12:16:21 PM
hey Wiz stfu to the chants of USA
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 24, 2019, 12:26:41 PM
I read your links Wiz. They don’t change the reality about Maduro. The link you provided about Trump fighting against socialism was comical.

Meanwhile Maduro thugs killed two demonstrators in clashes over humanitarian aid.

However 60 of Maduro’s soldiers have defected. His days are numbered.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47348293

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia........

The fact is simple: So far Not 1 Officer has deserted Maduro...... and the USA is blatantly a terrorist Nation.... who invades and steals other small countries.

Look you own history..... how many countries you have invaded and destroyed and how many millions of people you have killed!

BTW what happened to Venezuela's gold?

God Bless America........ :sick0012:

Poor Wiz, stuck in a rut as always.

The only terrorist is Maduro who deprives his citizens of food and medicine and orders his military to block much needed aid and shoot protesters.

Venezuela has more officers in their military than any other country, why you ask? Since he starves his own people he bribes military officers to protect him and keep him in power; they’re overpaid but it’s his insurance policy.

Guaidó is supported by 50 countries now, the imposter Maduro must go. Leave in exile, go to prison or pushing daisies. Soon.

Who the F  :censored: gives you the right to interfere in other people's country and dictate to them who should run the country?

Soon you will realise how unpopular your foreign policy is...... and then soon your Dollar will go bust...........and nobody will come to your help........

You only intimidate, invade and attack small countries. The other day Putin told you openly what he will do if you decided to employ rockets in Europe.

You have encircled Russia and China but you have no balls to attack them.

At the moment you talk with Kim and the Germans told you to F Off and they are building together with the Russians....... North Stream II and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Have you ever won any big war?

BTW give a Havana Cigar to your friend, the Zionist Troll Mate, AvHdB    ..... to enjoy his dinner and bottle of wine!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:







Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 24, 2019, 12:44:44 PM

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia

Who the F  :censored: gives you the right to interfere in other people's country and dictate to them who should run the country?

Soon you will realise how unpopular your foreign policy is...... and then soon your Dollar will go bust...........and nobody will come to your help........

You only intimidate, invade and attack small countries. The other day Putin told you openly what he will do if you decided to employ rockets in Europe.

You have encircled Russia and China but you have no balls to attack them.

At the moment you talk with Kim and the Germans told you to F Off and they are building together with the Russians....... North Stream II and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Have you ever won any big war?

BTW give a Havana Cigar to your friend, the Zionist Troll Mate, AvHdB    ..... to enjoy his dinner and bottle of wine!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Wiz, I would not laugh, you are delusional!

The United States is withdrawing from its Arabic adventures.

Further it does not have a long list of wars abroad as well as frozen conflicts. Both Russia and China have either by stealth or out right force been aggressive to its neighbours and The United States.

And yes we won a big war, the 2nd World War.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 24, 2019, 01:46:14 PM

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia

Who the F  :censored: gives you the right to interfere in other people's country and dictate to them who should run the country?

Soon you will realise how unpopular your foreign policy is...... and then soon your Dollar will go bust...........and nobody will come to your help........

You only intimidate, invade and attack small countries. The other day Putin told you openly what he will do if you decided to employ rockets in Europe.

You have encircled Russia and China but you have no balls to attack them.

At the moment you talk with Kim and the Germans told you to F Off and they are building together with the Russians....... North Stream II and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Have you ever won any big war?

BTW give a Havana Cigar to your friend, the Zionist Troll Mate, AvHdB    ..... to enjoy his dinner and bottle of wine!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Wiz, I would not laugh, you are delusional!

The United States is withdrawing from its Arabic adventures.

Further it does not have a long list of wars abroad as well as frozen conflicts. Both Russia and China have either by stealth or out right force been aggressive to its neighbours and The United States.

And yes we won a big war, the 2nd World War.


Not only that but we made the decision to become temporary allies of the Soviet Union. Without our help they would have been speaking German. The good news though is that they would have had German Autobahns all over and they wouldn’t have the endemic problems with corruption.

In fact Patton felt we picked the wrong side and I sometimes think he was right. At the very least he should have been allowed to push the Russians back to Moscow which we could have quickly achieved.

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela..Wiz makes it up
Post by: msmoby on February 24, 2019, 11:13:15 PM



I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia........

The fact is simple: So far Not 1 Officer has deserted Maduro.....

You are a hoot, Wiz..  Either you are watching the 'wrong media' or deliberately making it up...

and the USA is blatantly a terrorist Nation.... who invades and steals other small countries.

You mean like Georgia, Ukraine....? Or aiding a dictator in Syria...? The US is not the only nation guilty of that....




Look you own history..... how many countries you have invaded and destroyed and how many millions of people you have killed!

Wiz wants everyone to forget that the US was THE nation that fought Communism from Moscow ..certainly not always above board, but to lay the blame solely at Washington is daft...



BTW what happened to Venezuela's gold?


Yet another example of  Wiz demonstrating a certain govt aiding dodgy regimes by aiding the theft of state assets ..


Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 25, 2019, 08:27:45 AM

I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia

Who the F  :censored: gives you the right to interfere in other people's country and dictate to them who should run the country?

Soon you will realise how unpopular your foreign policy is...... and then soon your Dollar will go bust...........and nobody will come to your help........

You only intimidate, invade and attack small countries. The other day Putin told you openly what he will do if you decided to employ rockets in Europe.

You have encircled Russia and China but you have no balls to attack them.

At the moment you talk with Kim and the Germans told you to F Off and they are building together with the Russians....... North Stream II and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Have you ever won any big war?

BTW give a Havana Cigar to your friend, the Zionist Troll Mate, AvHdB    ..... to enjoy his dinner and bottle of wine!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

1) Wiz, I would not laugh, you are delusional!

2) The United States is withdrawing from its Arabic adventures.

3) Further it does not have a long list of wars abroad as well as frozen conflicts. Both Russia and China have either by stealth or out right force been aggressive to its neighbours and The United States.

4) And yes we won a big war, the 2nd World War.

1). I have never met any Zionist or a Jew for that matter that they know how to laugh! They always are serious with business like behaviour........ because they only see Gold £ coins or Dollars revolving infront of their eyes...... and nothing else!  ;D

2) Are you sure about it or that is the line you have been given from Haifa?

If what you state it's true, why then do you need to have such a Large American Embassy in Baghdad  the world’s largest embassy (https://russia-insider.com/en/us-embassy-iraq-covers-80-football-fields-behemoth-which-rule-middle-east/ri25875)?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpG70SX2N6The-DuS0XA2fYqvuuUqgJzgkjIP_31bUZGVgGpJb)

3) Well where shall we start counting after the WWII ....... Korea, Vietnam, Angola ...Iraq, Libya, Syria.....well take a look at your Jewish Wikipedia........as I am getting tired to count repeating the list.

4) Are you sure what you are stating or you are hallucinating ?

The Attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor took place on the morning of 7 December 1941 and finished after the USA dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, respectively.

Meanwhile you continued making money selling to the Brits ..... war supplies for their war against Germany, which was finally paid off By the Government of Cameron in 2014. 

Of course we must not forget that finally in 1943 you decided to send some of your young army people over, to UK, to entertain the poor British women whose husbands for the past 4 years, were fighting Germany everywhere.

BTW you also helped with war supplies the Russians too.... and Putin finally paid their debt few years ago, 2006 or 2009 ???

Any way, may I remind you that the Russians, had to wait for 2 days for the Allied armies to reach Berlin ....... and together both entered!

Well I will not write more about what happened after the capitulation of the Germans.........and the games you played against the Russians.....in East Berlin and Germany.

Lovely sunshine..... going for a stroll......and you maybe need to ask Jerusalem ...sorry Haifa for help!

 tiphat

I see... noby the slicing troll arrived and must ask Manny to tell me where from he is posting now?

 :ROFL:




Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 25, 2019, 08:33:09 AM

Not only that but we made the decision to become temporary allies of the Soviet Union. Without our help they would have been speaking German. The good news though is that they would have had German Autobahns all over and they wouldn’t have the endemic problems with corruption.

In fact Patton felt we picked the wrong side and I sometimes think he was right. At the very least he should have been allowed to push the Russians back to Moscow which we could have quickly achieved.

Sorry you are late and ignorant of the history... so I refer you to the reply I gave your friendly partner..... the Zionist Troll!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 25, 2019, 09:18:25 AM
Wiz in RUA history I rarely have read such a tactless post as yours, # 40. It shows what a low life & hate filled little man you truly are.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela..Wiz makes it up
Post by: Wiz on February 25, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
I have been watching all the actions at the frontiers with Brazil and colombia........

The fact is simple: So far Not 1 Officer has deserted Maduro.....

You are a hoot, Wiz..  Either you are watching the 'wrong media' or deliberately making it up...

Dear Moby, I always liked to watch and read a variety of Radio stations, TV, Papers and various web sites but At the end of the day always make my own opinion.

I can assure you that I very rarely fail not to see the blatant or subliminal propaganda unlike some people, like you, who have to follow the line of those who pay their piper or wearing blinkers!

and the USA is blatantly a terrorist Nation.... who invades and steals other small countries.

You mean like Georgia, Ukraine....? Or aiding a dictator in Syria...? The US is not the only nation guilty of that....

If I remember well before the USA became a world power.... the British was an Empire, in competition with France, Spain and others who invaded small countries, for "humanitarian reasons"  :laugh: .......and after the WWII the USA became the Hegemon Superpower and now all the NATO group of members are dancing to the tune of the USA Exceptionalism!

Look you own history..... how many countries you have invaded and destroyed and how many millions of people you have killed!

Wiz wants everyone to forget that the US was THE nation that fought Communism from Moscow ..certainly not always above board, but to lay the blame solely at Washington is daft...
Fighting a political Ideology is different from attacking and invading a smaller nation, taking control of it's resources for your own benefit.

BTW what happened to Venezuela's gold?

Yet another example of  Wiz demonstrating a certain govt aiding dodgy regimes by aiding the theft of state assets ..

China, Russia, Turkey and Mexico they are supporting Venezuela and the current legally elected Government to protect their own investments ....... unlike USA that wants to steal the huge oil  and gold reserves of the country!

No matter what TV or Media you read or listen, watching Trump, Pompeo and Boldon it's obvious that they don't care what anybody thinks about their actions.

May I also remind you President Reagan and Margaret Thatcher had a good friend.... the Dictator and criminal General Pinochet. So today the Mafia President, Trump and his ministers follows their steps.  :sick0012:

Every body knows that Venezuela is in this terrible situation because of the vicious attack and sanctions that the  USA has imposed to it, since Chavez was elected President of Venezuela in 1998.

You must be stupid or an idiot not to see the truth. The US Government does not give a f  :censored: if you know or not!

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 25, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
Wiz in RUA history I rarely have read such a tactless post as yours, # 40. It shows what a low life & hate filled little man you truly are.

So you don't like blunt language and you hate the truth ...... in reply to your arrogant, derogative personal and silly comments!

I am tired reading such blatant lies from you and you friends and I have full respect for the British women during WWII no matter of what you think!

If you don't like Blunt language..... tough!

The truth of the matter is simple. You are brainwashed and programmed to follow a devious and dishonest  line in your narrative. More importantly you don't like to be shown up for what you are! A fraught and dishonest little man and troll!

BTW I don't hate honest people...... only liars!


 :fighting0025:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 25, 2019, 04:45:43 PM
Wiz in RUA history I rarely have read such a tactless post as yours, # 40. It shows what a low life & hate filled little man you truly are.

So you don't like blunt language and you hate the truth ...... in reply to your arrogant, derogative personal and silly comments!

I am tired reading such blatant lies from you and you friends and I have full respect for the British women during WWII no matter of what you think!

If you don't like Blunt language..... tough!

The truth of the matter is simple. You are brainwashed and programmed to follow a devious and dishonest  line in your narrative. More importantly you don't like to be shown up for what you are! A fraught and dishonest little man and troll!

BTW I don't hate honest people...... only liars!


Wiz, I am reminded of the lyrics of a song.

'And they teach there hateful speech to their young believers.' I for one do not buy it.

Will have to find the writer/band.

Your post #40 is nothing more than historical bull shit revisionism. It fits your ugly mentality. It is sad that you can not see the basic reality.

The reality of Venezuela is the sole responsibility of Chavez and Madoru. You are so biased by your delusional ignorance that I can only marvel that you function in the real world.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela..Wiz makes it up
Post by: BillyB on February 25, 2019, 10:57:21 PM
Every body knows that Venezuela is in this terrible situation because of the vicious attack and sanctions that the  USA has imposed to it, since Chavez was elected President of Venezuela in 1998.


Maduro doesn't agree. He says there is no crisis in Venezuela and it's all fabricated based on his latest interview.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-accuses-us-government-fabricating-000006571--abc-news-topstories.html

Of course Maduro is lying and sanctions have hurt his country. Andrew earlier said Venezuela is dependent on America. If a person is sucking a titty to get fed, survive, and thrive it's best that person don't insult the person on the other end of that titty. Chavez insulted America when he became president. Maduro insults America. There are people insulting you in this thread. It doesn't matter if they are wrong or right, I don't expect you to be nice to them and I definitely don't expect you to do business with them. America is not obligated to do business with anybody that insults or are hostile towards us too. Just the way the world works. Best get along, especially with the people and nations that got a titty.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on February 26, 2019, 12:39:11 AM

You know full well he meant majority.

The majority of eth Russians planted there and the indiginous population not having been allowed or aided to return...even though both the Supreme Soviet apologised?....

I knkw what Markje wrote ..He still says it was a !peaceful takeover' when it was a military operation followed by a farcical referendum, based on a lie about a 'Nazi Coup'
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 26, 2019, 02:22:34 AM
Wiz in RUA history I rarely have read such a tactless post as yours, # 40. It shows what a low life & hate filled little man you truly are.

So you don't like blunt language and you hate the truth ...... in reply to your arrogant, derogative personal and silly comments!

I am tired reading such blatant lies from you and you friends and I have full respect for the British women during WWII no matter of what you think!

If you don't like Blunt language..... tough!

The truth of the matter is simple. You are brainwashed and programmed to follow a devious and dishonest  line in your narrative. More importantly you don't like to be shown up for what you are! A fraught and dishonest little man and troll!

BTW I don't hate honest people...... only liars!


Wiz, I am reminded of the lyrics of a song.

'And they teach there hateful speech to their young believers.' I for one do not buy it.

Will have to find the writer/band.

Your post #40 is nothing more than historical bull shit revisionism. It fits your ugly mentality. It is sad that you can not see the basic reality.

The reality of Venezuela is the sole responsibility of Chavez and Madoru. You are so biased by your delusional ignorance that I can only marvel that you function in the real world.

I am sorry but I have no intention to continue talking to a Zionist Troll and Robotic  Zombie who has nothing to offer on our open and public discussion apart from personal attacks and insults.

I have plenty of patience and sense of humor but after all this time, since my return to RUA, I am bored with your Trolling/tactics and  your constant personal attacks and you are now walking on a very thin ice on my favoured lake at the town I was born.

Your contributions to this board are only of a negative and spoiling nature.

Shalom Shalom......


(http://www.yannis.me.uk/ioannina/images/Yannina_panoramic.jpg)

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/ioannina/images/frozenlake.jpg)

Did you noticed the Ice on the Lake?

 tiphat

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 26, 2019, 03:00:19 AM
Your contributions to this board are only of a negative and spoiling nature.

Now Wiz, let's be honest with ourselves here, Av posts quite a bit of interesting content (along with his insults). More often than not, you're the one posting contributions of a "negative and spoiling nature" (i.e. insults) sans the interesting content. 

If you folks could learn to carry on with each other in a civilized manner this forum could be an even better place for people like me to learn. Instead, I spend a considerable amount of time scanning through all the garbage you throw at each other. I may not be the oldest among you but I'm definitely one of the more mature members here (at least by comparison).
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela.
Post by: Wiz on February 26, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
Every body knows that Venezuela is in this terrible situation because of the vicious attack and sanctions that the  USA has imposed to it, since Chavez was elected President of Venezuela in 1998.


Maduro doesn't agree. He says there is no crisis in Venezuela and it's all fabricated based on his latest interview.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-accuses-us-government-fabricating-000006571--abc-news-topstories.html

Of course Maduro is lying and sanctions have hurt his country. Andrew earlier said Venezuela is dependent on America. If a person is sucking a titty to get fed, survive, and thrive it's best that person don't insult the person on the other end of that titty. Chavez insulted America when he became president. Maduro insults America. There are people insulting you in this thread. It doesn't matter if they are wrong or right, I don't expect you to be nice to them and I definitely don't expect you to do business with them. America is not obligated to do business with anybody that insults or are hostile towards us too. Just the way the world works. Best get along, especially with the people and nations that got a titty.

Billy

Thanks for the Yahoo link BUT I could not watch it, because when I was connected to the site..... I got this message and I am not prepared to allow any site to access my PC.

I see normally many adverts but full access.......NO thanks

Before you continue...

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In reply to your comments here is a couple of things ...and an image for the Banksters. Also a video from the alternative Media in the USA for you to watch and tell us your views!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Other_images/why%20we%20have%20wars.jpg)

Please watch this Video and then if you wish, we can discuss your comments .....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq7ngZgzU-k

 :coffeeread:



Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 26, 2019, 04:21:03 AM
Your contributions to this board are only of a negative and spoiling nature.

Now Wiz, let's be honest with ourselves here, Av posts quite a bit of interesting content (along with his insults). More often than not, you're the one posting contributions of a "negative and spoiling nature" (i.e. insults) sans the interesting content. 

If you folks could learn to carry on with each other in a civilized manner this forum could be an even better place for people like me to learn. Instead, I spend a considerable amount of time scanning through all the garbage you throw at each other. I may not be the oldest among you but I'm definitely one of the more mature members here (at least by comparison).

I can carry on talking and debating any subject I enjoy, as long as the other poster does not make personal attacks or throw insults, then ..... I retaliate.

I have been around these boards for many many years and please ask Billy or any other old timer... to tell you if it's true. I know BillyB for well over 10 years, not only here but also from the other place too and please do ask him to tell you if we ever have exchanged any insults?

I am 74 years old and probably the oldest member around...... I do not have to tolerate any personal derogative comments or  insults and I do retaliate accordingly.

I take notice of your comments and I hope we can continue our civilised conversation.

 :thumbsup:



Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: dcguyusa on February 27, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
Late last night, there was a news cast that showed an interview between a US reporter (who spoke Spanish) and Maduro in Caracas.  The reporter questioned the Venezuelan leader about the reports of deaths and arrests during the recent months.  Maduro said that it was all the lies of the US President.  The reporter replied that the information was from a U. N. Report, not from the President. Maduro said that the reporter was spreading the same lies as the US President.

Why does this guy keep reminding me of Saddam Hussein?  Must be that thick mustache.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 28, 2019, 12:14:54 AM
Obviously the American public see, hear and follow the same usual MM propaganda Media.... and do not look for alternative views and sources.

Here is the report and views of a well known investigative reporter and film producer of various political subjects. He is Australian but lives in the UK.

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THE WAR ON VENEZUELA IS BUILT ON LIES

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Travelling with Hugo Chavez, I soon understood the threat of Venezuela. At a farming co-operative in Lara state, people waited patiently and with good humour in the heat. Jugs of water and melon juice were passed around. A guitar was played; a woman, Katarina, stood and sang with a husky contralto.

"What did her words say?" I asked.

"That we are proud," was the reply.

The applause for her merged with the arrival of Chavez. Under one arm he carried a satchel bursting with books. He wore his big red shirt and greeted people by name, stopping to listen. What struck me was his capacity to listen.

But now he read. For almost two hours he read into the microphone from the stack of books beside him: Orwell, Dickens, Tolstoy, Zola, Hemingway, Chomsky, Neruda: a page here, a line or two there. People clapped and whistled as he moved from author to author.

Then farmers took the microphone and told him what they knew, and what they needed; one ancient face, carved it seemed from a nearby banyan, made a long, critical speech on the subject of irrigation; Chavez took notes.

Wine is grown here, a dark Syrah type grape. "John, John, come up here," said El Presidente, having watched me fall asleep in the heat and the depths of Oliver Twist.

"He likes red wine," Chavez told the cheering, whistling audience, and presented me with a bottle of "vino de la gente". My few words in bad Spanish brought whistles and laughter.

Watching Chavez with la gente made sense of a man who promised, on coming to power, that his every move would be subject to the will of the people. In eight years, Chavez won eight elections and referendums: a world record. He was electorally the most popular head of state in the Western Hemisphere, probably in the world.

Every major chavista reform was voted on, notably a new constitution of which 71 per cent of the people approved each of the 396 articles that enshrined unheard of freedoms, such as Article 123, which for the first time recognised the human rights of mixed-race and black people, of whom Chavez was one.

One of his tutorials on the road quoted a feminist writer: "Love and solidarity are the same." His audiences understood this well and expressed themselves with dignity, seldom with deference. Ordinary people regarded Chavez and his government as their first champions: as theirs.

This was especially true of the indigenous, mestizos and Afro-Venezuelans, who had been held in historic contempt by Chavez's immediate predecessors and by those who today live far from the barrios, in the mansions and penthouses of East Caracas, who commute to Miami where their banks are and who regard themselves as "white". They are the powerful core of what the media calls "the opposition".

When I met this class, in suburbs called Country Club, in homes appointed with low chandeliers and bad portraits, I recognised them. They could be white South Africans, the petite bourgeoisie of Constantia and Sandton, pillars of the cruelties of apartheid.

Cartoonists in the Venezuelan press, most of which are owned by an oligarchy and oppose the government, portrayed Chavez as an ape. A radio host referred to "the monkey". In the private universities, the verbal currency of the children of the well-off is often racist abuse of those whose shacks are just visible through the pollution.

Although identity politics are all the rage in the pages of liberal newspapers in the West, race and class are two words almost never uttered in the mendacious "coverage" of Washington's latest, most naked attempt to grab the world's greatest source of oil and reclaim its "backyard".

For all the chavistas' faults — such as allowing the Venezuelan economy to become hostage to the fortunes of oil and never seriously challenging big capital and corruption — they brought social justice and pride to millions of people and they did it with unprecedented democracy.

"Of the 92 elections that we've monitored," said former President Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Centre is a respected monitor of elections around the world, "I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world." By way of contrast, said Carter, the US election system, with its emphasis on campaign money, "is one of the worst".

In extending the franchise to a parallel people's state of communal authority, based in the poorest barrios, Chavez described Venezuelan democracy as "our version of Rousseau's idea of popular sovereignty".

In Barrio La Linea, seated in her tiny kitchen, Beatrice Balazo told me her children were the first generation of the poor to attend a full day's school and be given a hot meal and to learn music, art and dance. "I have seen their confidence blossom like flowers," she said.

In Barrio La Vega, I listened to a nurse, Mariella Machado, a black woman of 45 with a wicked laugh, address an urban land council on subjects ranging from homelessness to illegal war. That day, they were launching Mision Madres de Barrio, a programme aimed at poverty among single mothers. Under the constitution, women have the right to be paid as carers, and can borrow from a special women's bank. Now the poorest housewives get the equivalent of $200 a month.

In a room lit by a single fluorescent tube, I met Ana Lucia Ferandez, aged 86, and Mavis Mendez, aged 95. A mere 33-year-old, Sonia Alvarez, had come with her two children. Once, none of them could read and write; now they were studying mathematics. For the first time in its history, Venezuela has almost 100 per cent literacy.

This is the work of Mision Robinson, which was designed for adults and teenagers previously denied an education because of poverty. Mision Ribas gives everyone the opportunity of a secondary education, called a bachillerato. (The names Robinson and Ribas refer to Venezuelan independence leaders from the 19th century).

In her 95 years, Mavis Mendez had seen a parade of governments, mostly vassals of Washington, preside over the theft of billions of dollars in oil spoils, much of it flown to Miami. "We didn't matter in a human sense," she told me. "We lived and died without real education and running water, and food we couldn't afford. When we fell ill, the weakest died. Now I can read and write my name and so much more; and whatever the rich and the media say, we have planted the seeds of true democracy and I have the joy of seeing it happen."

In 2002, during a Washington-backed coup, Mavis's sons and daughters and grandchildren and great-grandchildren joined hundreds of thousands who swept down from the barrios on the hillsides and demanded the army remained loyal to Chavez.

"The people rescued me," Chavez told me. "They did it with the media against me, preventing even the basic facts of what happened. For popular democracy in heroic action, I suggest you look no further."

Since Chavez's death in 2013, his successor Nicolas Maduro has shed his derisory label in the Western press as a "former bus driver" and become Saddam Hussein incarnate. His media abuse is ridiculous. On his watch, the slide in the price of oil has caused hyper inflation and played havoc with prices in a society that imports almost all its food; yet, as the journalist and film-maker Pablo Navarrete reported this week, Venezuela is not the catastrophe it has been painted. "There is food everywhere," he wrote. "I have filmed lots of videos of food in markets [all over Caracas] ... it's Friday night and the restaurants are full."

In 2018, Maduro was re-elected President. A section of the opposition boycotted the election, a tactic tried against Chavez. The boycott failed: 9,389,056 people voted; sixteen parties participated and six candidates stood for the presidency. Maduro won 6,248,864 votes, or 67.84 per cent.

On election day, I spoke to one of the 150 foreign election observers. "It was entirely fair," he said. "There was no fraud; none of the lurid media claims stood up. Zero. Amazing really."

Like a page from Alice's tea party, the Trump administration has presented Juan Guaido, a pop-up creation of the CIA-front National Endowment for Democracy, as the "legitimate President of Venezuela". Unheard of by 81 per cent of the Venezuelan people, according to The Nation, Guaido has been elected by no one.

Maduro is "illegitimate", says Trump (who won the US presidency with three million fewer votes than his opponent), a "dictator", says demonstrably unhinged vice president Mike Pence and an oil trophy-in-waiting, says "national security" adviser John Bolton (who when I interviewed him in 2003 said, "Hey, are you a communist, maybe even Labour?").

As his "special envoy to Venezuela" (coup master), Trump has appointed a convicted felon, Elliot Abrams, whose intrigues in the service of Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush helped produce the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s and plunge central America into years of blood-soaked misery.

Putting Lewis Carroll aside, these "crazies" belong in newsreels from the 1930s. And yet their lies about Venezuela have been taken up with enthusiasm by those paid to keep the record straight.

On Channel 4 News, Jon Snow bellowed at the Labour MP Chris Williamson, "Look, you and Mr Corbyn are in a very nasty corner [on Venezuela]!" When Williamson tried to explain why threatening a sovereign country was wrong, Snow cut him off. "You've had a good go!"

In 2006, Channel 4 News effectively accused Chavez of plotting to make nuclear weapons with Iran: a fantasy. The then Washington correspondent, Jonathan Rugman, allowed a war criminal, Donald Rumsfeld, to liken Chavez to Hitler, unchallenged.

Researchers at the University of the West of England studied the BBC's reporting of Venezuela over a ten-year period. They looked at 304 reports and found that only three of these referred to any of the positive policies of the government. For the BBC, Venezuela's democratic record, human rights legislation, food programmes, healthcare initiatives and poverty reduction did not happen. The greatest literacy programme in human history did not happen, just as the millions who march in support of Maduro and in memory of Chavez, do not exist.

When asked why she filmed only an opposition march, the BBC reporter Orla Guerin tweeted that it was "too difficult" to be on two marches in one day.

A war has been declared on Venezuela, of which the truth is "too difficult" to report.

It is too difficult to report the collapse of oil prices since 2014 as largely the result of criminal machinations by Wall Street. It is too difficult to report the blocking of Venezuela's access to the US-dominated international financial system as sabotage. It is too difficult to report Washington's "sanctions" against Venezuela, which have caused the loss of at least $6billion in Venezuela's revenue since 2017, including $2billion worth of imported medicines, as illegal, or the Bank of England's refusal to return Venezuela's gold reserves as an act of piracy.

The former United Nations Rapporteur, Alfred de Zayas, has likened this to a "medieval siege" designed "to bring countries to their knees". It is a criminal assault, he says. It is similar to that faced by Salvador Allende in 1970 when President Richard Nixon and his equivalent of John Bolton, Henry Kissinger, set out to "make the economy [of Chile] scream". The long dark night of Pinochet followed.

The Guardian correspondent, Tom Phillips, has tweeted a picture of a cap on which the words in Spanish mean in local slang: "Make Venezuela  :censored: ing cool again." The reporter as clown may be the final stage of much of mainstream journalism's degeneration.

Should the CIA stooge Guaido and his white supremacists grab power, it will be the 68th overthrow of a sovereign government by the United States, most of them democracies. A fire sale of Venezuela's utilities and mineral wealth will surely follow, along with the theft of the country's oil, as outlined by John Bolton.

Under the last Washington-controlled government in Caracas, poverty reached historic proportions. There was no healthcare for those could not pay. There was no universal education; Mavis Mendez, and millions like her, could not read or write. How cool is that, Tom?

John Pilger

21 February 2019


PS: Manny do not panic.....take a look at his email: John Pilger letter (https://mailchi.mp/johnpilger/the-war-on-venezuela?e=68fc09c385)
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 28, 2019, 02:05:00 AM
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 28, 2019, 04:53:27 AM
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?

I wasn't aware that you are so ancient to have lived and read W. Duranty reporting in the NYT between 1922–1936. I have not read his reports neither will spent my time reading NYT reports from last century, neither I will compare the prevailing conditions in USSR, at the time he was there with today!

The 1932 Pulitzer Prize Awarded to Walter Duranty and the dispute is an US internal affair and between NYT And Pulitzer and I will let them sort it out!

Your comments about J. Pilger, who visited the country with his camera people,  sound very derogative because you are in a mission to denigrate everything about Venezuela and the progress that had made during the Chavez Government. Maduro is not a match for Chavez but he is legally and honestly elected, never disputed by the observers, and I wonder how many countries could survive safely so severe  economic sanctions and vicious attacks by the USA, over the years and not suffer? 

I have not read any bad comments about J. Pilger's reporting and if the Neocon Zionists don't like what he writes then they must prove him wrong.

Of course I have read and seen the organised Mass Western Media acting in tandem  to assassinate Venezuela, because their owners and financial supporters want to get control and steal their Natural resources. Din't you do the same in Libya, Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, Kongo, Syria, and Yemen?

Well now you are moving to the Balkans and soon we will see the plans you have made for Cyprus to rob them from their gas/oil!

Can you tell us, instead of meeting Kim in Vietnam , why your
First Lady and the Tramp
don't they go to his country ?


 tiphat

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on February 28, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

PS: So you feel better I believe there is an active poster on RUA who is older than you!
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on February 28, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

PS: So you feel better I believe there is an active poster on RUA who is older than you!

I am sorry but apart from derogative unsubstantiated comments, sarcasm and effort to derail this thread, standard practice in your narrative, I have not seen any comments or evidence disputing the information I have posted.

It is very clear to me and to many other people that the US is using it's power:
a) To effect regime change, as they did in Ukraine and other small countries too,
b) Installing their puppet, destabilizing its economy, destroy Venezuela's democracy c) and at the end steal its huge natural resources.

You have all the time to prove my comments wrong..... if you can.

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 28, 2019, 09:14:30 PM
Sorry Wiz, I'm not that old. Yes I can read and reading I have done including John Reed. Duranty an English American reporter was described in the New York Times at the end of the last century as giving some of the worst reporting ever. Today we would call it fake news.

Pilger is repeating the same fake news in a new jacket.

PS: So you feel better I believe there is an active poster on RUA who is older than you!

I am sorry but apart from derogative unsubstantiated comments, sarcasm and effort to derail this thread, standard practice in your narrative, I have not seen any comments or evidence disputing the information I have posted.

It is very clear to me and to many other people that the US is using it's power:
a) To effect regime change, as they did in Ukraine and other small countries too,
b) Installing their puppet, destabilizing its economy, destroy Venezuela's democracy c) and at the end steal its huge natural resources.

You have all the time to prove my comments wrong..... if you can.

 tiphat

What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on February 28, 2019, 09:26:45 PM
Curious why does J. Pilger sound like a 21st century version of W. Duranty?

I wasn't aware that you are so ancient to have lived and read W. Duranty reporting in the NYT between 1922–1936. I have not read his reports neither will spent my time reading NYT reports from last century, neither I will compare the prevailing conditions in USSR, at the time he was there with today!

The 1932 Pulitzer Prize Awarded to Walter Duranty and the dispute is an US internal affair and between NYT And Pulitzer and I will let them sort it out!



Anyone with an education knows Walter Duranty was a FRAUD, guess that excludes you.

Millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death, you DISRESPECT their memory with your infantile version of Ukrainians REJECTING Yanukovych and Russia; you blame the USA, what a surprise!

And you would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?

Sick.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on March 01, 2019, 04:26:32 AM


Even if what you say is true, does that mean that you can interfere in honest democtratic countries and actually pick the leader you want by starving the population and then propping up a leader as 'saviour' who will be able to feed his people?

I thnk Russian Collusion is a joke compared to these actions, they are not even close to respecting sovereignity.



I 'missed' when Al-Assad was democratically elected ..and if you refer to the 'Presidential Elections' I'll remind you what the UN Sec Gen said about their veracity ...
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 01, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

I am aware that it's typical for an American low life individual, to feel superior to other People and I noticed that you are not bright enough up at the top floor to realise when people ignore you because of the rudeness in your personality.

Do me the favour and ignore my comments as I do with yours!

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.

The above is total Crap coming out  from your Backside..... and are not credible evidence to take you seriously. When you find some credible evidence do post them and you will get your replies.

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/have_nice_day.gif)
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on March 01, 2019, 10:04:25 AM

And you (Wiz) would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?


Madura seems to be trying his best to match Stalin.

Wiz please explain why there are so many 'generals' in Venezuela. And they all are in charge of government ministries?

Why are there so many refugees who have fled Venezuela over the last couple of years?
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Tom Cat on March 01, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 01, 2019, 12:26:31 PM

And you (Wiz) would be real happy if Maduro could starve millions also, RIGHT?


Madura seems to be trying his best to match Stalin.

Wiz please explain why there are so many 'generals' in Venezuela. And they all are in charge of government ministries?

Why are there so many refugees who have fled Venezuela over the last couple of years?

Yes I commented upthread about the number of military officers in Venezuela. It’s more than any other military in the World. Maduro hopes by having a bunch of corrupt overpaid Generals it will prevent a coup.

Millions of Venezuelans have left looking for food and medicine elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 01, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.


Well said Tom.

I accept the Crimea result, even though the methods used were questionable. A majority wanted back to Russia so that’s over and done.

Crystal clear that a majority of Venezuela wants the dictator Maduro gone; they want a fresh start with Guaido.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 01, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
What drugs are you on? Millions of Venezuelan people have left and millions need proper medicine, etc.

You don’t like blunt truth? You dish out insults constantly but you can’t take it.

I am aware that it's typical for an American low life individual, to feel superior to other People and I noticed that you are not bright enough up at the top floor to realise when people ignore you because of the rudeness in your personality.

Do me the favour and ignore my comments as I do with yours!

Maduro is a thief and a criminal. If you were one of his citizens with no food and no hope you would want him gone also.

Take a break from your irrational hatred of the USA and try putting yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself.

The above is total Crap coming out  from your Backside..... and are not credible evidence to take you seriously. When you find some credible evidence do post them and you will get your replies.

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/have_nice_day.gif)

Yeah you’re doing such a good job ignoring my comments, which is why you responded to them.        :ROFL:         :ROFL:         :ROFL:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on March 01, 2019, 12:47:31 PM
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!! The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not been chosen democraticly or even by a referendum or anything else.

Venezuela's problems run very deep and a new president will not solve it. Only ending the sanctions will, and we all know when that will happen
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 01, 2019, 01:21:01 PM
Can anyone please explain why perfectly fine for Russia to take over and claim Crimea,  but the Venezuelan people are not allowed to choose their own future?
If the majority was allowed to decide as it supposedly was done in Crimea,  then Russia should support to determine their future as well.

Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!! The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not been chosen democraticly or even by a referendum or anything else.

Venezuela's problems run very deep and a new president will not solve it. Only ending the sanctions will, and we all know when that will happen

It IS actually the will of the people, the crowds are very pro-Guaido.

And 50 nations support Guaido.

Compared to 2 or 3 for the dictator.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on March 01, 2019, 02:27:11 PM
Among the 126 countries in the World Justice Project (WJP) Rule of Law Index in 2019, is anyone surprised that Venezuela is #126.

Way to go 'President' Maduro!
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: 2tallbill on March 01, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.


Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: yankee on March 01, 2019, 04:19:59 PM
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

I do not follow this very carefully but the last democratically elected head of state we supported was the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt?
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: dcguyusa on March 01, 2019, 04:42:57 PM
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

I do not follow this very carefully but the last democratically elected head of state we supported was the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt?

I believe that was the first time in history that Egyptians could choose their new leader.  Well, that did not last very long as they got rounded up and arrested.  So much for democracy.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 02, 2019, 01:50:24 AM
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?


The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.

It is almost nearly a Year ago (20 May 2018) that last election took place and Maduro was elected to be the President........... That USA puppet, Guaido, made his declaration less than a month ago after his USA Masters told him to do it and the very next day the same masters together with the other Vassal states come out recognising him as the President.

Venezuela is an independent country and the Presidential elections is an Internal affair for them to resolve and none of your Fcuking Bussines!

Too many countries over the Years have "Enjoyed your generous Humanitarian efforts and now regret it for accepting your help!"

CIA with it's agents and Puppets have been attacking Venezuela for as long I can remember..... because your Mafia Administration wants to steal and control the huge Oil Reserves and also the Gold ones too. As they say THE END OF YOUR EMPIRE IS NEAR...

Do you think the rest of the world is populated by uneducated morons and idiots, politically ignorant Zombies as the Majority of the citizens of  your Zionist Gangster Mafia run  Country?
:sick0012:

Most of us, oldies, have seen the same scenario played again and again in Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Kolombia, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, in most African countrie last century and  on this century in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, the Balkans  ....  etc. The list is endless.

2tallbill I had a different opinion about you, over the years.... but lately you disappoint me. :(

CONfed.... before you make any more stupid comments I suggest you read about the Greek History, during and after WWII and then come and start talking to me. More importantly if you have a passport.... start travelling and then you can come here and talk to us! At least I can claim and prove that I have visited your country more than 10 times... where you probably have not left your banker at all , because you afraid the sun will spoil your KKK skin!

AvHdb Zionist Troll stop trying to derail this thread with your stupid and ridiculous comments. Go back to your Bottle.!

Tom Cat my comments above answer directly your questions too!

BTW American's, what's happen with Kim
 and your President Tramp?

Did he find Kim Un very Fat and he could NOT squizz him, so he left to go back to his Banker and his darling Melania?  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:  :ROFL:


Here is some Good News for USA........ (click the blue Link to read more.

China reveals massive oil & gas discovery in Bohai Sea (https://www.rt.com/business/452354-china-massive-oil-reserves/)

(https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Bohaiseamap2.png)

How will this major discovery in the Bohai sea affect the energy market, including the configuration of oil and gas pipeline corridors?

China is the world’s largest importer of natural gas and the second-largest of liquified natural gas (LNG).

In January, prior to the CNOOC announcement regarding the Bohai discovery, China announced plans to quadruple its LNG imports.

Coupled with the US-China trade war, will the Bohai  discovery have an impact on China’s import of LNG from the US?

How Will it Affect LNG Gas Imports from the US? (https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-discovery-of-major-gas-reserves-in-the-bohai-sea-how-will-it-affect-lng-gas-imports-from-the-us/5669649)

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Markje on March 02, 2019, 03:30:32 AM
Ah but it is not the will of the people, nor the democratic law of Venezuela!!

Did the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk democratically switch countries
using the Democratic laws of Ukraine and referendum?
Apples and oranges first, Guaido does not want to break off parts of Venezuela to make a new country.
Second: You must have confused me for someone who condones that situation. I do not. The war in Ukraine must stop. Russia already stated they will not accept Donetsk/Lugansk into Russian territory so the only way for them is to go back to Ukraine or remain independant. The latter is more obvious as they do not want to be ruled by kiev. Its costing them a bloody war to do so.

The man now acting as 'interim' president on behalf of the west, has not
been chosen democratically or even by a referendum or anything else.

Guaido was elected to the National Assembly by voters and then elected as
president of the assembly in January. Maduro was elected at the same times
and that election is disputed.

Guaido is supposedly only the acting interim president until new elections can
be held. Is that the truth or is he just another dictator in waiting? I have no idea.
Disputed by whom? not by the population at least, despite best effort to spread fake news the truth is out there.

For instance: The blockade of foreign-aid, which said Maduro blocked it. The road has been closed for ages and isn't even finished if you look at the whole picture.  :duh:

Furthermore: Wiz said it best, if you ignore the anti-USA stuff in his message.

Mark.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 02, 2019, 03:43:32 PM
Hands Off Venezuela - UPDATE
Foreign Minister Arreaza Holds UN Marathon for Peace:
Usurper Guaido Urges Military Intervention and War


(https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/jorge-arreaza-400x225.jpg)

In a herculean effort to prevent war, and protect the integrity of his country, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza held a breathtaking schedule of events at the United Nations, including a meeting with the Secretary-General, consultations with the envoys of 60 member states supporting Venezuela’s sovereignty,  a press conference the evening of February 22, speaking at a Security Council meeting February 26,  and presenting an address at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on February 27.

Arreaza’s encyclopedic knowledge of history is one of his powerful assets,  as he patiently clarified to reporters, at last Friday’s press conference, the reality of US instigated economic warfare underlying Venezuela’s current crisis.  At one bizarre moment, a European reporter, asked, Mussolini-style, about a report that Venezuelan armed forces shot an unarmed indigenous person, and compared the incident to “what happened in China.”  Arreaza asked whether the reporter had seen the incident, and, evading Arreaza’s question the reporter continued:  “Is your government giving specific orders to shoot unarmed people, and what will happen to those who refuse to comply with these orders?”  The stupefying question, less a query, and more unsubstantiated innuendo, was asked with such arrogance and grandiosity that Arriaza, fully aware of the insinuation intended, replied:
What was unmistakable, throughout last week, and again at Tuesday’s Security Council meeting, is Arreaza’s passionate effort to prevent the bloodbath of military confrontation,  reiterating the historic context of the Venezuelan crisis to reporters and diplomats who may have a stunted recognition of  the barbarous – but often ingenious – methods used by Washington to impose domination and de facto slavery on nations in Latin America.  Theirs is virtually a scientific formula – economic destabilization, a relentless media disinformation campaign, and if the current target – in this case Venezuela – does not submit to domination, ultimately military force will be decisive in inflicting regime change, installing a docile, subservient puppet.  The horrific example of the overthrow of Allende in Chile is merely one example.

In view of the usual perception of indigenous people as vulnerable and marginalized, it was therefore extremely interesting to see a New York Times report, February 23, confirming that “Indigenous leaders seized General Jose Miguel Montoya Ramirez, the head of Bolivar state’s National Guard force, and some of his subordinates, two opposition lawmakers from the area said in interviews….the lawmakers said it was unclear how long the indigenous leaders intended to hold the captives.”  It is obvious that it would not be possible for “vulnerable” people to seize a Venezuelan General and the head of Bolivar state’s National Guard unless the “vulnerable” people were powerfully armed.  And where the indigenous people got the arms from is an even more interesting question.  It is not a minor accomplishment to kidnap the General of a National Guard force.

The Wall Street Journal on February 25, 2019 headlined:  “Maduro’s Opposition Urges Military Force in Venezuela,” making inescapable that the Venezuelan opposition is either lobotomized, or heedless of the bloodbath military action will culminate in.  The New York Times on February 25, page 4, has a large photograph of “innocent, unarmed” protesters preparing Molotov cocktails on Sunday along the Venezuela-Colombia border.

The Security Council meeting Tuesday, February 26, was preceded by an asinine lineup of eight members of the European Union, demanding that Venezuela immediately call elections.  Evidently ignorant of the fact that former U.S. President Jimmy Carter characterized the Venezuelan electoral process as “one of the best in the world,” and the US electoral process as “one of the worst,”  these European proxies were better suited to comic parody in a Mozart opera than to intervention in matters of war and peace.  And, of course, who is to determine that, even if new elections are called, they will be either free or fair.  Obviously, the result will be as Washington directs its European colonies to approve.

It would not be possible to avoid reference to U.S. Senator Marco Rubio’s gruesome tweet, threatening Maduro, and not incidentally Kim Jong Un, with hideous death by torture, including sodomization with bayonets before his murder.  These horrific actions were committed by those “vulnerable, peaceful Libyans” for whom the UN Security Council, enacting Resolution 1973 and “Responsibity to Protect,” in the unforgettable words of Indian Ambassador Puri, were authorized to “bomb the hell out of Libya.”  It is very likely that the Venezuelan opposition, especially those thugs,  photographed by The New York Times on February 23 preparing Molotov cocktails, are the same breed as those Libyan monsters who, among other tortures, sodomized President Khadaffi with a bayonet before murdering him.  No doubt Kim Jong Un will duly note this threat, and perhaps Maduro will ponder Khadaffi’s mistake in surrendering his nuclear program.

Today’s Security Council meeting, with the failure of both the US and Russian drafts, included Elliott Abrams regurgitating the same dangerous and deadly platitudes as always.  The double veto of the US draft, by both China and Russia, saved the Security Council from endorsing another catastrophic military intervention.

Posted by Carla Stea on March 01, 2019  who is Global Research, correspondent at United Nations Headquarters, New York, N.Y.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 02, 2019, 03:45:57 PM
Venezuelan soldiers are leaving the military in droves.

Juan Guaido, the Venezuelan opposition leader who has been recognized as interim president by dozens of countries, said Friday that 600 military personnel had defected in the week since Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro ordered them to block the entry of aid sent by the US as part of an effort to oust him.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/venezuelan-soldiers-reasons-explain-why-they-desert-and-turn-on-nicolas-maduro-2019-3

But that doesn’t include high ranking officers, who have a vested interest in staying.

Many senior military leaders have personal and financial interests at stake - protecting special privileges, like higher pay, and avoiding prosecution for involvement in illegal activity, like drug smuggling. Junior officers and rank-and-file troops, however, have no such interests.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 02, 2019, 04:12:07 PM
Venezuela was once the wealthiest country in South America.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/01/venezuela-juan-guaido-nicolas-maduro-south-america.html
Title: The Venezuelan puppet president is semi legitimate
Post by: 2tallbill on March 02, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
That USA puppet, Guaido, made his declaration less than a month ago after
his USA Masters told him to do it and the very next day the same masters together
with the other Vassal states come out recognising him as the President.

Let's remember that our puppet won an election to their National Assembly and
then was elected by the members of that National Assembly to be the president
of the National Assembly.

So he is a semi legitimate puppet and one leg of their elected government. If the
president is determined unable to serve the President of the National Assembly
steps in until a new election can be made see section 233 of the Venezuelan
constitution in the link below.   

The puppet is calling for new elections and I don't know if he can do that with a
sitting president who is able to serve. I've read the US constitution many times
but I have read the Venezuelan constitution zero times.

Here is a link to the Venezuelan constitution in English. https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Venezuela_2009.pdf



Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 02, 2019, 10:56:55 PM
Bill

Thank you very much for the Constitution and your comments. I had a brief reading of the basics but I have to admit that my opinion is still the same.

Venezuela is a sovereign and independent country. Whatever is going on there it's none of our business, neither of our respective Governments or anybody else for that matter.

May I remind that the ex U.S. President Jimmy Carter characterized the Venezuelan electoral process as “one of the best in the world,” and the US electoral process as “one of the worst” I am sure you will agree that Carter and his organisation overseen elections around the world must know better than you and me.

FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES
of the
VENEZUELAN CONSTITUTION

Article 1

The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is irrevocably free and independent, basing its
moral property and values of freedom, equality, justice and international peace on
the doctrine of Simon Bolivar, the Liberator.

Independence, liberty, sovereignty, immunity, territorial integrity and national
self-determination are non renounceable rights of the Nation.

Article 2

Venezuela constitutes itself as a Democratic and Social State of Law and Justice,
which holds as superior values of its legal order and actions those of life, liberty,
justice, equality, solidarity, democracy, social responsibility and, in general, the
preeminence of human rights, ethics and political pluralism.

Article 3

The essential purposes of the State are the protection and development of the
individual and respect for the dignity of the individual, the democratic exercise of the
will of the people, the building of a just and peace loving society, the furtherance of
the prosperity and welfare of the people and the guaranteeing of the Fulfillment of
the principles, rights and duties established in this Constitution.

Education and work are the fundamental processes for guaranteeing these purposes.

Article 4

The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is a decentralized Federal State on the terms
set forth in this Constitution, governed by the principles of territorial integrity,
cooperation, solidarity, attendance and shared responsibility.

_______________________________________

That is enough for us, any other action from your Government and what the Zionist Neocon Organiser Elliot Abraams says it's simply crap.

I expect you may seen and if not you may find this video interesting to watch.

The same applies for CONFED  too, who does not pay attention to what I write or post. All he has posted  are well known facts. This world is not full of ignorant people and idiots.

Watch the video....... and wake up!

Confessions of an Economic Hitman


There are two ways to conquer and enslave a Nation

One is by sword and The Other is by Debt.


 tiphat


Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on March 02, 2019, 11:19:34 PM
1, 3 and 4 are hilarious! ????????????

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=wiz&amp=true
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 02, 2019, 11:59:23 PM
1, 3 and 4 are hilarious! ????????????

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=wiz&amp=true

But Number 6 is the best and more accurate!

wiz
wiz means that you are just amazing at everything you do but usually your best at sex and in the bed

he is wiz...

you know his sex is good
#sexy#sex#amazing#gee#fun

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 03, 2019, 01:04:28 AM
One more educational video to keep you busy...... and learning!

An Ocean of Lies on Venezuela


 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: 2tallbill on March 05, 2019, 12:22:59 PM
Bill

Thank you very much for the Constitution and your comments. I had a brief reading of the basics but I have to admit that my opinion is still the same.

Venezuela is a sovereign and independent country. Whatever is going on there it's none of our business, neither of our respective Governments or anybody else for that matter.

May I remind that the ex U.S. President Jimmy Carter characterized the Venezuelan electoral process as “one of the best in the world,” and the US electoral process as “one of the worst” I am sure you will agree that Carter and his organisation overseen elections around the world must know better than you and me.

FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES
of the
VENEZUELAN CONSTITUTION

Article 1

The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is irrevocably free and independent, basing its
moral property and values of freedom, equality, justice and international peace on
the doctrine of Simon Bolivar, the Liberator.

Independence, liberty, sovereignty, immunity, territorial integrity and national
self-determination are non renounceable rights of the Nation.

Article 2

Venezuela constitutes itself as a Democratic and Social State of Law and Justice,
which holds as superior values of its legal order and actions those of life, liberty,
justice, equality, solidarity, democracy, social responsibility and, in general, the
preeminence of human rights, ethics and political pluralism.

Article 3

The essential purposes of the State are the protection and development of the
individual and respect for the dignity of the individual, the democratic exercise of the
will of the people, the building of a just and peace loving society, the furtherance of
the prosperity and welfare of the people and the guaranteeing of the Fulfillment of
the principles, rights and duties established in this Constitution.

Education and work are the fundamental processes for guaranteeing these purposes.

Article 4

The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is a decentralized Federal State on the terms
set forth in this Constitution, governed by the principles of territorial integrity,
cooperation, solidarity, attendance and shared responsibility.

_______________________________________

That is enough for us, any other action from your Government and what the Zionist Neocon Organiser Elliot Abraams says it's simply crap.

I expect you may seen and if not you may find this video interesting to watch.

The same applies for CONFED  too, who does not pay attention to what I write or post. All he has posted  are well known facts. This world is not full of ignorant people and idiots.

Watch the video....... and wake up!

Confessions of an Economic Hitman


There are two ways to conquer and enslave a Nation

One is by sword and The Other is by Debt.


 tiphat

I don't think that the USA should interfere in Venezuela especially militarily, on that
I think we agree. Venezuela got themselves into this mess and they need to get themselves
out of it.

Jimmy Carter has monitored 107 elections in 39 countries since 1989 and he has not
declared a single one of them suspect or dishonest. He has certified the election of
every tin pot dictator that has crossed his path.

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 05, 2019, 11:34:42 PM
I don't think that the USA should interfere in Venezuela especially militarily, on that
I think we agree. Venezuela got themselves into this mess and they need to get themselves out of it.

Jimmy Carter has monitored 107 elections in 39 countries since 1989 and he has not
declared a single one of them suspect or dishonest. He has certified the election of
every tin pot dictator that has crossed his path.

I understand, it is very difficult for an American to accept guild or criticise the actions of his country’s Governments, over the years, but the last 2 videos prove conclusively that USA is the real culprit who brought Venezuela to the current state.

Ask your self, why these war mongers you have in your Government…..Tramp, Pompeo, Bolt etc openly threaten and planning an invasion of Venezuela?

The answer is simple. They want to control the large oil and other natural resources of the country.

Ask yourself these questions?

1. Why the USA had to invade and destroy so many countries after the WWII and also Why the USA has the need to have so many Bases around the world?

A: Because your economy is based on the huge defence industry, created during the WWII and expanded later more to control most world countries.

2. How many countries in the world have nuclear weapons 2018?

A: 9 countries but Israhel it’s not part of the Nuke club neither reports to anybody!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/16/list-of-countries-with-nuclear-weapons.html

3. Tell us one country that the USA has invaded that had Nuclear Arsenal?

A: NONE and there are plenty around!

4. Why the USA has to support financially Israhel every year? 

A: In 2012, demographers estimated the core American Jewish population (including religious and non-religious) to be 5,425,000 (or 1.73% of the Total US population of 325.7 million (2017).

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population

it is pretty obvious that the US Administrations over the years were controlled or dominated by the small 1.73% of the population, which of course controls your FED and banking system and the Mass Media, as I have already posted through 6 Huge Corporations.

Today who do you think has established and Control the NWO?


PS: I suggest you start reading and watching alternative Media.... and avoid the Corporative controlled  Mass Media....

Start from these : https://www.globalresearch.ca/

and subscribe to channels like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glTX3c8ttY
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on March 06, 2019, 12:04:07 AM


 Tell us one country that the USA has invaded that had Nuclear Arsenal?

A: NONE and there are plenty around!

Too busy to answer all your daft questions - but this for starters ...

Were the US recalcitrant about taking out terrorists in Pakistan ?

Would the Kremlin have been so active in Ukraine - if they hadn't given up THEIR nukes in return for the 'protection' of the 'Budapest Memorandum'


As ever, Wiz ... your 'examples' demonstrate the US is not alone in 'away games' in weaker opponents
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on March 06, 2019, 03:15:10 AM
If the United States had anything other than self-interest as motivation then they would not be interfering, illegally, in Venezuela. There is no legal justification for any of the actions being undertaken by the U.S government in the country.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 12, 2019, 05:08:05 AM
Trump Regime Electricity War in Venezuela
More Serious than First Believed

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuETr4kHNfmNly9KGG91fGPwCq65xguK5oJG9hD9M-7uc7WeFh)

On Thursday, Venezuela’s Guri dam hydroelectric power plant was cyberattacked at 5:00 PM during the late afternoon rush hour to cause maximum disruption.

Up to 80% of the country was affected, damage done more severe than initially thought. Weeks or months of planning likely preceded what happened – US behind it? considerable expertise needed to pull it off.[/size]

On Friday, another cyberattack occurred, followed by a third one on Saturday, affecting parts of the country where power was restored, further complicating resolution of the problem, Maduro saying:

After power was restored to about 70% of the country, “we received another attack, of a cybernetic nature, at midday…that disturbed the reconnection process and knocked out everything that had been achieved until noon,” adding:

“(O)ne of the sources of generation that was working perfectly” was sabotaged again…infiltrators…attacking the electric company from the inside.”

Power is being restored “manually,” efforts continuing to learn precisely why computerized systems failed – things further complicated after a Bolivar state substation transformer exploded and burned, suggesting more sabotage.

What’s happening in Venezuela is similar to infecting Iran’s Bushehr and Natanz nuclear power facilities with a Stuxnet malware computer virus in 2010, a likely joint US/Israeli intelligence operation. Edward Snowden blamed them for what happened.

At the time, operations were halted indefinitely. Iran called the incident a hostile act. General Gholam-Reza Jalali said if the affected facilities went online infected, Iran’s entire electrical power grid could have been shut down.

It took months to fully resolve the problem. Following the summer 2010 attack, the malware continued to infect the facilities’ centrifuges, requiring their replacement.

An Institute for Science and International Security analysis said:

“(a)ssuming Iran exercises caution, Stuxnet is unlikely to destroy more centrifuges at the (affected plants).”

“Iran likely cleaned the malware from its control systems. To prevent re-infection, Iran will have to exercise special caution since so many computers in Iran contain Stuxnet,” adding:

“Although Stuxnet appears to be designed to destroy centrifuges at (Iranian nuclear facilities), destruction was by no means total.”

“Stuxnet did not lower the production of low-enriched uranium (LEU) during 2010. LEU quantities could have certainly been greater, and Stuxnet could be an important part of the reason why they did not increase significantly.”

“(T)here remain important questions about why Stuxnet destroyed only 1,000 centrifuges. One observation is that it may be harder to destroy centrifuges by use of cyber attacks than often believed.”

Head of Bushehr’s nuclear power plant said only personal computers of staff were infected by the Stuxnet virus. Then-Iranian Telecommunications Minister Reza Taghipour said government systems experienced no serious damage.

Iran’s Information Technology Council director Mahmud Liaii said

“(a)n electronic war has been launched against Iran… This computer worm is designed to transfer data about production lines from our industrial plants to locations outside Iran.”

Deputy head of Iran’s government Information Technology Company Hamid Alipour said

“(t)he attack is still ongoing and new versions of this virus are spreading,” adding:

“We had anticipated that we could root out the virus within one to two months, but the virus is not stable, and since we started the cleanup process three new versions of it have been spreading.”

If malware similar to Stuxnet was used against Venezuela’s power grid, the problem could linger for months, parts of the country continued to be affected by outages for some time.

Maduro’s government will need to marshal considerable technical expertise to fully resolve things – the type cybersecurity/anti-virus/security software skills Russia-based multinational firm Kaspersky Lab can provide.

It can also identify the attack’s source and lay blame where it belongs – the US most likely responsible. It clearly has motive, opportunity and expertise – waging war on Venezuela by other means to topple its government and gain another imperial trophy.

If the malware infection is widespread, continued outages may happen until the problem is fully resolved.

Resolution may take months, disruption in the country persisting, clearly the motive behind the attack.

Posted by Stephen Lendman, at  Global Research on 11 March 2019 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-regime-electricity-war-venezuela/5670970[/url)
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 12, 2019, 05:18:38 AM


 Tell us one country that the USA has invaded that had Nuclear Arsenal?

A: NONE and there are plenty around!

Too busy to answer all your daft questions - but this for starters ...

Were the US recalcitrant about taking out terrorists in Pakistan ?

Would the Kremlin have been so active in Ukraine - if they hadn't given up THEIR nukes in return for the 'protection' of the 'Budapest Memorandum'


As ever, Wiz ... your 'examples' demonstrate the US is not alone in 'away games' in weaker opponents

Sorry Mastermind!   ;D  ..... but I have more pleasurable things to do in my life then entertaining you!

If you post a Travel report, as you said including photos from the section at E60, with the Russian incursion, I pointed to you.... I may reply!

Any plans to visit Armenia?

Visiting "Batuni" ..... obviously very important for fast EXit or supplying route.... to your new assignment and plans of your handlers.

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on March 12, 2019, 05:45:15 AM
If the events are related to electronic attack then it kinda reduces the field of likely, motivated, attackers.

These things are not coincidences. Venezuela is clearly under attack, an undeclared war.
Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on March 12, 2019, 07:37:33 AM
It is very clear that they will pursuit Maduro and strangle or kill him, like they did to Muammar Al Gaddafi in Libya. Just wonder who helped himself to the Gold Gaddafi had accumulated and we didn't heard enough about the killing of that US Ambassador?

Here something interesting from one of their Horses Mouth!

Corporate Media “Presstitutes” Turn Blind Eye
to UN Report on Venezuela

Washington and the Convict Appointed to
Overthrow Venezuela Continue the Lies


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC59mKOjJFm2Ku_LDbuvSZFux88VlaIEVPzhMGZQ8UD_C10GHA)

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Global Research, March 09, 2019 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/corporate-media-presstitutes-turn-blind-eye-to-un-report-on-venezuela/5670856)

Don’t you think something is fishy when the presstitutes orchestrate a fake news “humanitarian crisis” in Venezuela, but totally ignore the real humanitarian crises in Yemen and Gaza?

Don’t you think something is really very rotten when the expert, Alfred Maurice de Zayas,  sent by the UN to Venezuela to evaluate the situation finds no interest by any Western media or any Western government in his report?

Don’t you think it is a bit much for Washington to steal $21 billion of Venezuela’s money, impose sanctions in an effort to destabilize the country and to drive the Venezuelan government to its knees, blame Venezuelan socialism (essentially nationalization of the oil company) for bringing “starvation to the people,” and offer a measly $21 million in “humanitarian aid.”

As the United States is completely devoid of any print or TV media, it falls upon internet media such as this website to perform the missing function of honest journalism. 

As for the alleged starvation and humanitarian crisis in Venezuela, Zayas has this to say:

The December 2017 and March 2018 reports of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN (FAO) list food crises in 37 countries. “The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is not among them.”

“In 2017, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela requested medical aid from the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the plea was rejected, because Venezuela ‘is still a high-income country … and as such is not eligible’.”

The “crisis” in Venezuela “cannot be compared with the humanitarian crises in Gaza, Yemen, Libya, the Syrian Arab Republic, Iraq, Haiti, Mali, the Central African Republic, South Sudan, Somalia, or Myanmar, among others.”

In order to discredit selected governments, failures in the field of human rights are maximized so as to make violent overthrow more palatable. Human rights are being “weaponized” against rivals.

In paragraph 37 of his report, de Zayas says:

  “Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns with the intention of forcing them to surrender. Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees. A difference, perhaps, is that twenty-first century sanctions are accompanied by the manipulation of public opinion through ‘fake news’, aggressive public relations and a pseudo-human rights rhetoric so as to give the impression that a human rights ‘end’ justifies the criminal means. There is not only a horizontal juridical world order governed by the Charter of the United Nations and principles of sovereign equality, but also a vertical world order reflecting the hierarchy of a geopolitical system that links dominant States with the rest of the world according to military and economic power. It is the latter, geopolitical system that generates geopolitical crimes, hitherto in total impunity.”

He expresses concern about the level of polarization and disinformation that surrounds every narrative about Venezuela.

“A disquieting media campaign seeks to force observers into a preconceived view that there is a ‘humanitarian crisis’ in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. An independent expert must be wary of hyperbole, bearing in mind that ‘humanitarian crisis’ is a term of art (terminus technicus) that can be misused as a pretext for military intervention.”

In order to discredit selected governments, failures in the field of human rights are maximized so as to make violent overthrow more palatable. Human rights are being ‘weaponized’ against rivals.

A political solution is blocked because “certain countries [the US] do not want to see a peaceful solution to the Venezuelan conflict and prefer to prolong the suffering of the people of that country, with the expectation that the situation will reach the threshold of a humanitarian crisis and provoke a military intervention to impose a regime change.”

Washington’s attack on Venezuela is in violation of established international law.

“The principles of non-intervention and non-interference in the internal affairs of sovereign States belong to customary international law and have been reaffirmed in General Assembly resolutions, notably 2625 (XXV) and 3314 (XXIX), and in the 1993 Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action. Article 32 of the Charter of Economic Rights and Duties of States, adopted by the General Assembly in 1974, stipulates that no State may use or encourage the use of economic, political or any other type of measures to coerce another State in order to obtain from it the subordination of the exercise of its sovereign rights.”  Chapter 4, article 19, of the Charter of the OAS stipulates that “No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.”

Zayas reports that an atmosphere of intimidation accompanied the mission, attempting to pressure him into a predetermined matrix. He received letters from American-financed NGOs asking him not to proceed on his own, dictating to him the report he should write. Prior to his arrival in Venezuela, a propaganda campaign was launched against him on Facebook and Twitter questioning his integrity and accusing  him of bias. (See this)

As Washington’s sanctions and currency manipulations constitute geopolitical crimes, Zayas asks what reparations are due to the victims of sanctions.  He recommends that the International Criminal Court investigate Washington’s coercive measures that can cause death from malnutrition and lack of medicines and medical equipment.

“Despite being the first UN official to visit and report from Venezuela in 21 years, Mr de Zayas said his research into the causes of the country’s economic crisis has so far largely been ignored by the UN and the media, and caused little debate within the Human Rights Council.

“He believes his report has been ignored because it goes against the popular narrative that Venezuela needs regime change.” (See this)

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world and an abundance of other natural resources including gold, bauxite and coltan. But under the Maduro government they’re not accessible to US and transnational corporations.


Hasta Siempre Victoria

Title: Re: The Kremlin Denies Sending Russian Mercenaries to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on March 12, 2019, 10:00:51 PM
Wiz...

Who are 'they!?

Saddam was tried and executed by fellow Iraquis and Gaddafi's demise was at the hand of a bunch of locals on the spur of the moment.

'They!...as in France and America...stopped Gaddafi's tank steam rollering into Benghazi..


Shame Britain would not zupport Cameron to end the use of Barrel bombs in Syria with a no fly zone...

You man is finished... the shame is other nations still supporting his failed policy.