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Title: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 10, 2018, 09:35:24 PM
No good can come of this that I can see.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/10/russia-sends-2-nuclear-capable-bombers-to-venezuela/
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 10, 2018, 09:40:55 PM
No good can come of this that I can see.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/10/russia-sends-2-nuclear-capable-bombers-to-venezuela/

However, Manning cited the humanitarian assistance provided in Central and South American by a U.S. Navy hospital ship, the USNS Comfort, in the past eight weeks. Numerous Venezuelan migrants were among the people who received medical and dental treatment.

"Contrast this with Russia, whose approach to the man-made disaster in Venezuela is to send bomber aircraft instead of humanitarian assistance," Manning said.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on December 10, 2018, 10:21:00 PM
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 10, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:

There’s a thread about Syria and the Middle East elsewhere!

IOW since you couldn’t stay on topic here, the answer is that the USA has provided real medical and humanitarian assistance to Venezuela, and Russia has NOT.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on December 11, 2018, 12:11:47 AM
How much humanitarian aid has been dispensed by the US navy bobbing around the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf?
Whoops, my mistake they've been taking part in war crimes in Yemen.

White man speak with forked tongue!  :GRRRR:

Now where near as much 'benevolence' as despatched in the likes of Aleppo, Syrra ....
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on December 11, 2018, 02:03:26 AM
Whoosh!
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: andrewfi on December 11, 2018, 02:04:29 AM
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 03:52:24 AM
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.

The USA has not committed war crimes in Yemen, that was done by Saudi Arabia, better get your facts straight.

I’ve already expressed that I agree with Senator Rand Paul, we should stop selling them arms.

Whoosh! Was that the sound of the unlawful artillary into Ukraine from Russia? Or was it the sound of the carpet bombing in Chechnya?

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2018, 05:04:36 AM
"Humanitarian USA " Interventions in Venezuela

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPuspOYDuf2e58PrydfPvbPMNqQVCHMRyjvXgymlDdkE5EXCLk)

It's been over a decade since Since 2002 when a U.S. sponsored coup temporarily overthrew Venezuela's democracy, and Washington is still plotting.

Shortly after being returned to power by popular force in April 2002, then president Hugo Chavez quickly warned the United States was already planning its next move. Chavez had been ousted from office for just under two days in early April, in a coup carefully choreographed by Venezuela's business elite, renegade military elements and the United States.

By early October, 2002, Chavez announced Venezuelan authorities had already uncovered another coup plot. Two weeks later, Chavez narrowly escaped an assassination attempt. The attempt appeared to coincide with anti-government protests.

Then, as U.S. president George W. Bush entered his second term in 2005, Washington appeared to redouble its efforts to remove Chavez. A month after Bush was sworn in for a second time, Chavez said his government had uncovered another assassination plot. The plot was uncovered just weeks after then U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice described the Venezuelan leader as a “destabilizing force.” In September that year, Bush again lashed out at Venezuela, accusing the country of failing in its fight against the narcotics trade.

Another major coup plot was foiled in 2006, when Venezuelan authorities said they found evidence the U.S. embassy in Caracas had been secretly collecting military information. That same year, the Department of State began barring certain arms sales to Venezuela. This was the beginning of what would later become a key pillar of U.S. policy towards Caracas – sanctions.

In 2011, state oil company PDVSA was hit with U.S. sanctions, while in 2013 state arms manufacturer CAVIM was also sanctioned. More sanctions were imposed in late 2014 against Venezuelan government officials. Then in March 2015, U.S President Barack Obama issued an executive order imposing another round of sanctions, and describing Venezuela as an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to the United States. This was the most controversial round of sanctions, and sparked widespread condemnation in the region. The Obama administration was eventually pressured into admitting Venezuela doesn't pose a threat to the United States, though the sanctions remained in place.

The evolution of economic pressure on Venezuela is perhaps the most striking example of the continuity of Venezuela policy between the Bush and Obama administrations. However, this overt aggression against Venezuela has likewise been accompanied by a continuous campaign of subversion, largely in the vein of U.S. activities in the lead-up to the 2002 coup.

Much of this took place through groups like USAID, the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI).

In a 2006 diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks, then U.S. ambassador William Brownfield said both USAID and OTI were playing central roles in a strategy to oust Chavez.

“This strategic objective represents the majority of USAID/OTI work in Venezuela,” Brownfield wrote at the time.

According to investigations by the U.S.-Venezuelan lawyer Eva Golinger, Between 2004 and the time of the cable's initial, secret publication in 2006, USAID spent close to US$15 million on operations in Venezuela. Much of this involved supporting around 300 so-called civil society groups – largely a collection of far right, anti-government groups. One prominent recipient of U.S. funding was Sumate, an anti-Chavez political group founded by right-wing firebrand Maria Machado. Machado was a signatory of the Carmona Decree – the political manifesto of the short-lived 2002 coup government. The fact that one of the key recipients of U.S. aid was a coup plotter has led many in Venezuela to accuse USAID of being opposed to democracy.

The latest information available suggests USAID's annual budget for Venezuela was over US$5 million, despite the fact that foreign funding of political activities was banned in Venezuela in 2010. The banning was condemned by the U.S. Department of State, despite the fact the United States has a similar law against funding of political campaigns.

The key factor making such a move even more rational in Venezuela is the fact that unlike the United States, Caracas is still facing coup attempts backed by a foreign belligerent. In early 2015, the Venezuelan government uncovered yet another brewing coup attempt. This time, plotters being paid in U.S. dollars were planning to incite street violence, then carry out a series of coordinated bombings targeting key government sites. President Nicolas Maduro accused opposition leaders of mostly being aware of the plot well in advance, and said the plan was aimed at culminating in the collapse of his government.

As new elections approach on Dec. 6, concern is again mounting that Venezuela's opposition could be planning more destabilization. However, it's unclear which route the United States will take. Will Washington continue its simmering campaign of underhand destabilization, or will it opt for another open coup attempt like in 2002?

Source: Tracking US Intervention in Venezuela (https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/Tracking-US-Intervention-in-Venezuela-Since-2002-20151117-0045.html)

You have to admit that the USA is a very humanitarian Nation supporting most countries around the Globe, especially those with plenty natural resources..  :ROFL:

Now if you wish to have a complete profile of this terrible country, "Venezuela", take a look at the good services of the BBC.

Venezuela profile - Timeline (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19652436)

(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02501/chavez-smiles-bye_2501318b.jpg)

Hugo Chavez
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on December 11, 2018, 05:15:54 AM
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

Quote from: RT
Venezuela has welcomed the arrival of Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers as an opportunity to demonstrate its resolve to defend the nation against possible foreign military intervention, with the help of “friends” if need be.

https://www.rt.com/news/446125-tu-160-bombers-venezuela-land/

The days of Uncle Sam marauding around the planet killing the leaders of other countries, changing the leadership and destroying what remains is coming to an end. The multi polar world is developing nicely.

Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 05:17:08 AM
Wiz you’re truly delusional. Maduro is a two-bit tin pot dictator who has looted most of the wealth of Venezuela. Venezuela was once wealthier than China, this is what happens each and every time with Communism.

Meanwhile the USA has been providing much needed medical assistance to Venezuelan migrants and others for the past 11 weeks.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/11/27/navy-hospital-ship-comfort-treats-venezuelan-migrants-colombians/
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2018, 05:27:09 AM
American Officials Could Be Prosecuted for War Crimes in Yemen (https://www.thenation.com/article/american-officials-could-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes-in-yemen/)

From the article:

"At the same time, the Pentagon also dramatically stepped up its own air strikes in Yemen, targeting Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), which is one of the terror group’s most active offshoots, and other jihadists linked to the Islamic State (ISIS). In 2017, the US military carried out more than 130 air strikes, compared to 21 strikes in 2016, the Obama administration’s final year in office—a sixfold increase under Trump.

The Pentagon has been carrying out air strikes, using drones and fighter planes, in Yemen since the early 2000s, when it accelerated a campaign against Al Qaeda."


PS: The blue title is a link to the article.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 05:31:16 AM
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

Quote from: RT
Venezuela has welcomed the arrival of Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers as an opportunity to demonstrate its resolve to defend the nation against possible foreign military intervention, with the help of “friends” if need be.

https://www.rt.com/news/446125-tu-160-bombers-venezuela-land/

The days of Uncle Sam marauding around the planet killing the leaders of other countries, changing the leadership and destroying what remains is coming to an end. The multi polar world is developing nicely.

Keep dreaming, Russia’s economy is horrible and they can barely afford to pay pensions much less prop up a thieving dictatorship in Venezuela. You did use the correct word though, regime. How many millions or billions of dollars has crook Maduro stolen from his country while his people starve?

I would truly be embarrassed to verbalize support for a thief and complete crook like Maduro. Pompeo is right about this stunt.


The Russian and Venezuelan people should see this for what it is: two corrupt governments squandering public funds, and squelching liberty and freedom while their people suffer,” Pompeo said on Twitter late Monday.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-10/two-russian-strategic-bombers-arrived-in-venezuela-tass-says
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on December 11, 2018, 05:34:51 AM
That's the sound of a missed point as it flies past!

You were lucky, that one could've hit you.

Nice try at deflection...  Unlike you I don't condone the UK / UK supplying S,Arabia or proxy wars

Syria Ukraine, Georgia, Chechn'ya, ?

Carry on



Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on December 11, 2018, 05:36:50 AM
You're missing the point, Cornfed. It isn't the job of the US to decide who is a goody and who is a baddie. What goes on elsewhere simply isn't your business. After the regime change you funded in Ukraine, expect more of the same in every place you try it.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 11, 2018, 05:38:05 AM
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.


So how many more years of misery do the people of Venezuela have to look forward to?
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 05:43:13 AM
You're missing the point, Cornfed. It isn't the job of the US to decide who is a goody and who is a baddie. What goes on elsewhere simply isn't your business. After the regime change you funded in Ukraine, expect more of the same in every place you try it.

At some point yes it is, we're not going to stand idly by while some tin-pot dictator starves his own people who are forced to go through the trash or eat rats. Suggest you get familiar with the Monroe Doctrine.

Meanwhile Maduro's daughter is suspected of looting Millions. BTW will Russia be sending an armada of their wonderful Navy ships to protect Venezuela?  Better bring lots of tug boats.

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.

Furthermore it is our business as signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, or did you forget about that little bit of treachery on the part of Russia?

Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins, mark my words on that. Putin is biting off more than he can chew.

                                           
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 06:00:53 AM
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.


So how many more years of misery do the people of Venezuela have to look forward to?


Word.

Meanwhile the thieves are having a party.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/11/report-hugo-chavezs-favorite-daughter-is-the-richest-person-in-venezuela/

And the thieving tin-pot Dictator in Chief sends their Gold to Turkey without the approval of his countries legislature.

https://wtop.com/europe/2018/10/us-official-maduro-looting-venezuelas-gold-reserves/
Title: Manny's revisionist history
Post by: msmoby on December 11, 2018, 06:02:34 AM
Russia stopped planned regime change in Syria, they'll do the same in Venezuela.

The people of the biggest city in Syria ( the one example ) have never supported the Al-Assad dynasty / dictatorship

Meanwhile, the Turks are busy in N.Syria bumping off Kurds

Hezbollah control S.Syria  - Iran's proxy

You must be so 'proud'





Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 11, 2018, 06:09:29 AM
One of the reasons that Russia is interested in Venezuela is debt. Both Chavez and Maduro have borrowed hundred's of millions, and not from the IMF but from Russia as well as China.

Guess Russia would like to see these monies repaid one way or the other.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 06:15:29 AM
One of the reasons that Russia is interested in Venezuela is debt. Both Chavez and Maduro have borrowed hundred's of millions, and not from the IMF but from Russia.

Guess Russia would like to see these monies repaid one way or the other.


Yes, I believe Russia is planning to help Venezuela get their oil industry back on track. At least that's the plan which I briefly read.

The problem of course is that relations between the USA and Russia are already bad, this isn't a good omen IMO. One little misstep could get blown up out of proportion and there you have it.

Russia should be happy with bullying assisting their neighbors in their own neighborhood, but no they want to see how far they can push things with their multi polti aspirations.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 06:19:17 AM
The BBC on this situation. I'm sure we'll be told this is Western propaganda. It was actually a very balanced article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46522358

How the crisis developed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36319877


The stack of money it takes to buy TP in Venezuela.  :chuckle:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6CD6/production/_103126872_88f35059-f93d-441a-b718-b7bbdcc1d69a.jpg)

Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 11, 2018, 06:40:57 AM
How Socialism Ruined Venezuela. An article by the Mises Institute.

https://mises.org/library/how-socialism-ruined-venezuela



*You can also purchase this famous book from the Mises Institute.

https://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Documents-Definitive-Collected/dp/0226320553/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PEV3GN39Z4GAHH90J8AV
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2018, 07:09:47 AM
Wiz you’re truly delusional. Maduro is a two-bit tin pot dictator who has looted most of the wealth of Venezuela. Venezuela was once wealthier than China, this is what happens each and every time with Communism.

In your view I am "truly delusional" but I can assure you that hat doesn't belong to me but to yours  truly! I know how to read and understand what is going on around us and I don't belong to the same class as you, as I have not been to the same school as you did!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQkHW8xN84dC4fHISf9I3lU3_g_d3qBi5UB1a3GWB6sThL7KwOTg)

May I suggest to you to watch this video and the nice
Lady Naomi Klein lecture... and you may learn something.

The Shock Doctrine -  The Rise of Disaster Capitalism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL3XGZ5rreE

May I advice you that Russia Federation does not have a communistic system anymore. They have the same like yours... Capitalism and follow on your steps when it comes to stealing or exploiting public finances and natural resources, of which they have an abundance!

Have you noticed how happy was Trump to see Putin when he arrived on the G20 meeting. Have a look at the photos. Shortie is holding him by the balls!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Wiz - who doesn't GO to Russia - 'lectures' on politics ;)
Post by: msmoby on December 11, 2018, 07:25:01 AM

May I advice you that Russia Federation does not have a communistic system anymore. They have the same like yours... Capitalism and follow on your steps when it comes to stealing or exploiting public finances and natural resources, of which they have an abundance!




 :ROFL:

Just showed your latest 'funny' to Russians and thanks for the days entertainment

Russia is being run for the benefit of those supporting a one-party system - given the current leader didn't actually get enough votes and the last election was a farce ....  We know no-one who voted for VVP - if voting at all


Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
One of the reasons that Russia is interested in Venezuela is debt. Both Chavez and Maduro have borrowed hundred's of millions, and not from the IMF but from Russia.

Guess Russia would like to see these monies repaid one way or the other.

Yes, I believe Russia is planning to help Venezuela get their oil industry back on track. At least that's the plan which I briefly read.

The problem of course is that relations between the USA and Russia are already bad, this isn't a good omen IMO. One little misstep could get blown up out of proportion and there you have it.

Russia should be happy with bullying assisting their neighbors in their own neighborhood, but no they want to see how far they can push things with their multi polti aspirations.   :coffeeread:

AvHdB

Obviously you did not bother to read my post No 8 and you either know or you missed the history of all USA interventions at Venezuela and it's clear who destroyed the economy of that country and it wasn't Chavez... Maduro is not as bright as Chavez but when the USA has attacked economically and in every other way they could .... what you could expect?

Putin is happy to help Maduro to sort the economy out......and maybe get his money back but I am sure with the agreement of president Trump.

Look how happy they were to see each other...... on the G20. Poor Macron... he is left out of the party. ;D

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSk13RIgKs6_n317QdqoCv-5jZy4T9z1KhPyLmqVLyzpDtkfM1Jaw)

But there is a problem.... ConFed is not happy with their arrangements,,,,,, and show his displeasure by telling us that Putin should stay out of property and influence.

I hope all of you enjoyed watching the video qnd the lessons of lovely Naomi Klein and have learned the truth ........

 tiphat
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
Worth noting the Russians have sent these aircraft before to Venezuela. They traveled as far as I can see with out a fighter escort. In other words they are ready for a turkey shoot at low level flight. Two cargo plans accompanied them. No images of humanitarian aid being offloaded have appeared, but maybe it is on RU.
Title: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 12, 2018, 02:47:35 PM

May I advice you that Russia Federation does not have a communistic system anymore. They have the same like yours... Capitalism and follow on your steps when it comes to stealing or exploiting public finances and natural resources, of which they have an abundance!
:ROFL:

Just showed your latest 'funny' to Russians and thanks for the days entertainment

Russia is being run for the benefit of those supporting a one-party system - given the current leader didn't actually get enough votes and the last election was a farce ....  We know no-one who voted for VVP - if voting at all

Moby

For you and your fictional Russian friends.......

(http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=60491;type=avatar)

and also for your efforts in derailing any conversation that take place here,
so to bring attention to your empty, vein and belligerent self and life.

I don't remember the last time that you made a worthy serious contribution
to any conversation... but that it's not one of your priorities.

 :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 12, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
Worth noting the Russians have sent these aircraft before to Venezuela. They traveled as far as I can see with out a fighter escort. In other words they are ready for a turkey shoot at low level flight. Two cargo plans accompanied them. No images of humanitarian aid being offloaded have appeared, but maybe it is on RU.

Have you not, heard the expressions.......

"Flying or showing the Flag" ..... and ... "Testing the limits"?

It's not the Russians who have quit the IBM and planning to quit the INF agreement  but the USA!

May I also remind you about the signed IRAN agreement that Trump has quit awhile ago?

How can we expect any country to trust the American Government anymore?

 :nod:  tiphat




Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: yankee on December 12, 2018, 09:58:35 PM

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.


Excuse my memory but in my life time I can remember Korea.  Upps, we stalemated that one and still have over 80 troops in the area (Korea and Japan).  The there is Viet Nam.  Upps we lost that one.  We did win Panama and Grenada.  Then there was (or is) Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya and  Syria. Gulf war 1 was good.   There is more but this is enough.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 12, 2018, 10:46:11 PM

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.


Excuse my memory but in my life time I can remember Korea.  Upps, we stalemated that one and still have over 80 troops in the area (Korea and Japan).  Then there is Viet Nam.  Upps we lost that one.  We did win Panama and Grenada.  Then there was (or is) Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya and  Syria. Gulf war 1 was good.   There is more but this is enough.

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif)
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 13, 2018, 12:51:38 AM

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.


Excuse my memory but in my life time I can remember Korea.  Upps, we stalemated that one and still have over 80 troops in the area (Korea and Japan).  Then there is Viet Nam.  Upps we lost that one.  We did win Panama and Grenada.  Then there was (or is) Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya and  Syria. Gulf war 1 was good.   There is more but this is enough.

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif)

North Korea invaded South Korea, and together with Chinese and Soviet Union controlled most of the peninsula. In a series of military actions the Allied Forces led by the American army regained control on the peninsula over 6 or so months. Oops!
Title: More revisionist history from AvHdB
Post by: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 01:05:23 AM
AvHdB

The North Koreans were notionally supported by other Communist ( Soviet Union / China )  in the earliest stages and then the UN -  90 percent US pushed them back to the border with China ... which is when the Chinese physically got involved - resulting in stalemate on the 38th parallel

The Soviets supplied Mig 15s training Chinese Pilots and 'volunteer' Soviet ones..

Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 13, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
AvHdB

The North Koreans were notionally supported by other Communist ( Soviet Union / China )  in the earliest stages and then the UN -  90 percent US pushed them back to the border with China ... which is when the Chinese physically got involved - resulting in stalemate on the 38th parallel

The Soviets supplied Mig 15s training Chinese Pilots and 'volunteer' Soviet ones..


Not sure what you mean by 'notionally' of course you are a 'natural English speaker'.

If you look at the number of non-Korean POW's captured by the Allies, this does not support your claim. Further the Russian Air Force was extremely active above the skies of Korea. Yes they trained some foreign pilots but most sorties were flown by Russians.

Please if you do not know anything it is better just to read your comic books.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on December 13, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
Not sure what you mean by 'notionally' of course you are a 'natural English speaker'.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notionally

The Google Translate suggests Dutch doesn't have an accurate interpretation as the best it can offer is fictief which isnt quite the same. The root of 'fict' tells us the English word is 'fiction' which isn't quite the same as notional. Begrip, idee, notie, denkbeeld or neiging might be better words in Dutch.

This time, our 'natural English speaker' used a quite legitimate word for his intent.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 13, 2018, 03:46:05 PM
Not sure what you mean by 'notionally' of course you are a 'natural English speaker'.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notionally

The Google Translate suggests Dutch doesn't have an accurate interpretation as the best it can offer is fictief which isnt quite the same. The root of 'fict' tells us the English word is 'fiction' which isn't quite the same as notional. Begrip, idee, notie, denkbeeld or neiging might be better words in Dutch.

This time, our 'natural English speaker' used a quite legitimate word for his intent.

You mean something like this? From Merriman~Webster:


"Definition of notional
1 : THEORETICAL, SPECULATIVE
2 : existing in the mind only : IMAGINARY
3 : given to foolish or fanciful moods or ideas"
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on December 13, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Not sure what you mean by 'notionally' of course you are a 'natural English speaker'.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notionally

The Google Translate suggests Dutch doesn't have an accurate interpretation as the best it can offer is fictief which isnt quite the same. The root of 'fict' tells us the English word is 'fiction' which isn't quite the same as notional. Begrip, idee, notie, denkbeeld or neiging might be better words in Dutch.

This time, our 'natural English speaker' used a quite legitimate word for his intent.

You mean something like this? From Merriman~Webster:


"Definition of notional
1 : THEORETICAL, SPECULATIVE
2 : existing in the mind only : IMAGINARY
3 : given to foolish or fanciful moods or ideas"


Always use British dictionaries when translating English. It's our language. American dictionaries give a simplified interpretation of what is meant.

Based on what Moby actually wrote, 'allegedly' (naar verluidt) or purportedly (ogenschijnlijk) might be a better word.
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: redroo on December 13, 2018, 10:35:24 PM
"volunteer" Russian Pilots in Korean Conflict sounds very much like ..."holidaying" Russian Soldiers in Eastern Ukraine and Syria :biggrin:
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:12:41 PM


Please if you do not know anything it is better just to read your comic books.[/font][/size]

Quite...

questions that will help you understand why I'm taking you to task

1/ When did the war start ?
2/ Did the North Koreans have much air-support

i.e troops were almost all NK with Soviet / Chinese kit - notional

3/ when did the MIG-15's appear ?
4/ did they coincide with the 'UN'' ( 90 percent US - having pushed the NK back to the border with China - mainly due to air support ?


Thank you
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Confederate on December 19, 2018, 12:26:14 PM

You're pretty giddy when you claim Russia can take Ukraine in 72 hours, when they cannot even pay pensions. Taking something and holding it is entirely different.


Excuse my memory but in my life time I can remember Korea.  Upps, we stalemated that one and still have over 80 troops in the area (Korea and Japan).  Then there is Viet Nam.  Upps we lost that one.  We did win Panama and Grenada.  Then there was (or is) Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya and  Syria. Gulf war 1 was good.   There is more but this is enough.

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif) (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/clap.gif)

North Korea invaded South Korea, and together with Chinese and Soviet Union controlled most of the peninsula. In a series of military actions the Allied Forces led by the American army regained control on the peninsula over 6 or so months. Oops!



And then assisted by the USA the small nation of South Korea became a powerhouse economy around the World with a high standard of living. Oops!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Korea
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 22, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
After the previous diversions... I thought it's time to go back  (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/ontopic.jpg)

While reading around I come across with this article which looks a very different direction for the purpose of the flight to Venezuela.

​THE STRANGE NEWS BLACKOUT ON THE RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT SHIPMENT TO VENEZUELA

Western headlines announced that Russia has sent 2 nuclear-capable Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela on Monday Dec 10. They were actually missile carriers and they are back home in Mother Russia now, which is odd. So what were they doing there for such a brief space of time? No one in the news anywhere asked this obvious question.

But let’s examine the news coverage. All the major US news outlets focused on the 2 bombers (actually missile carriers) that were sent to South America but mentioned only in passing the other two planes that accompanied them. There was no speculation as to the possible purpose of these 2 “accompanying” aircraft. My question is: were they just accompanying the bombers or did they have a separate purpose?

 
NBC News offers no clues:
 
“It [the Russian ministry] added that a heavy-lift An-124 Ruslan cargo plane and an Il-62 passenger plane accompanied the bombers to Maiquetia.”
 
Time:
 
“The ministry said a heavy-lift An-124 Ruslan cargo plane and an Il-62 passenger plane accompanied the bombers to Maiquetia.”
 
CBS reported similarly but added:
 
MOSCOW -- The Kremlin has rejected U.S. criticism of Russian strategic bombers' deployment to Venezuela. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded to Monday's arrival of a pair of Tu-160 nuclear-capable bombers in Venezuela by tweeting that "the Russian and Venezuelan people should see this for what it is: two corrupt governments squandering public funds, and squelching liberty and freedom while their people suffer."

Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, dismissed Pompeo's comment as "undiplomatic" and "inappropriate." He told reporters Tuesday that such criticism sounds odd from a country "half of whose military budget would be enough to feed the whole of Africa."
 
Germany’s DW issued almost a carbon copy of the US media coverage – or rather non-coverage.
 
Russia’s RT did not do any better. All reports stressed the fact that 2 nuclear capable war planes were sent and barely mentioned in passing the other two planes.
 
Peskov hit the nail on the head, BTW. This comment by Pompei was very stupid coming from the nation that specializes in killing civilians abroad and has chalked up hundreds of thousands of casualties since the Bush wars. But, of course, Peskov offered no details on the purpose of the other two aircraft.
 
None of the reports or official statements on the Russian or US side mention it, but as we reported here, Trump has been threatening for quite some time to invade Venezuela, which means this Russian move is anything but a waste of money.
After all, if Venezuela is poor, then why is the US imposing sanctions on the country that make it even poorer? This point was never made in any media, either Western or Russian, that we examined.

 
Even the Saker only translated a Russian commentator discussing the US hysteria over the 2 bombers landing within striking distance of the US. He too missed an important point.
 
And what did they all miss – both alt-media and msm of both Russia and the West?
 
Why they missed the presence of the An-124. And why is that important? Because this plane, one of the biggest transport planes in the world, is of no defensive value whatsoever to the Venezuelan military, and you would think some journalist somewhere, would have done some investigating into this fact and asked the obvious question: why was it sent? I mean, if you want to accompany a big bomber like the Tu-160s, then the obvious choice is not a lumbering transporter but an agile fighter jet to protect it.
 
I do not pretend to be clairvoyant, or to have special powers enabling me to see behind the news. On the other hand, I have a very suspicious mind and I remembered that the S-300 system was sent to Syria in An-124s.

I also note that all of four aircraft were sent to Venezuela, one of which was an Il-62. I further note that An-124s and Il-62s both participated in the shipment of the S-300 air defences to Syria. Since the Il-62 is a passenger plane, we might suppose that it transported the air defence/EW specialists to that destination. (These details on the aircraft used to ship the S-300s to Syria were provided by janes.com at the time). According to aerotime.aero, “hundreds” of Russian pilots were sent, presumably in the Il-62. But that makes no sense. You would not need hundreds of pilots for just 4 planes. But if the shipment in the An-124 had been air defence and/or EW equipment, then that many technicians would make sense. Assuming they stayed behind, you could conceivably need, say, 20-25 or more technicians setting up and manning these systems in 3 shifts per day plus several more to step in on holidays.

In addition to this air defence system, Syria also received electronic warfare (EW) equipment. And it was this EW system that put the fear of the Lord into the Israelis, who stopped or at least greatly curtailed their attacks on Syrian soil. While at least one Israeli attack has been reported since then, it was accomplished by means of SAMs and did not involve any aircraft, as had been the case prior to that. Israel was not risking losing any more fighter jets to Syrian missiles and understood Shoigu’s warning, following the shipment, that the satellite navigation, on-board radar and communications of any enemy aircraft participating in an attack on Syria from the West would be disabled.
 
So since the An-124 accompanying the transfer of aircraft to Venezuela could serve no other purpose than to transport large shipments of gear, is it not reasonable to speculate that Venezuela now has in its possession an air defence (S-300 or higher)  capable of downing one of those planes that Trump had threatened to invade Venezuela with, and that Russian specialists in air defence and EW are deployed there as well? What if the attackers are stealth aircraft? Russia has variously claimed the ability to “see” stealth fighters, and as we reported here, Russia has been working for years on a quantum radar system that could indeed visibilise stealth aircraft.
 
 
The fact that the Tu-160 bombers are now back in Russia is a further clue that these bombers may well have been not only a warning to the US but also a smoke screen – a very effective one – to hide the fact that Russia has just made Venezuela invulnerable to an invasion from the air.
 
Not one news outlet or blog mentioned any of this. While I am not a prophet, I do connect dots. So let’s see what materializes in the future. For example, if Trump suddenly falls silent over his possible response to the Venezuela situation, that could be a clue. Or perhaps another An-124 will fly to Venezuela -- a dead give-away. It is entirely possible that the Russian MoD has already warned the US that it has deployed the latest EW and air defences in Venezuela, and the msm are not privy to this information. Neither the US nor the Russian government have any particular interest in this being bruited to the world. The Russians give the US a chance to save face when possible.
 

Finally, to address US officials’ amateurish criticism of the Soviet-era Tu-160, an article in versia.ru Of 12-17-2018 points out that the Tu-160 missile carrier is being constantly updated and is not the worn-out relic it is portrayed as in US media and officialdom. It states [our translation]:
 
“The Tu-160 will become a full-fledged reconnaissance aircraft, and in addition, modern radar systems will allow it to detect subtle fighters of NATO countries at long distances. It is not excluded that the capabilities of the Tu-160 as a strategic bomber will increase as well - "smart" missile weapons capable of hitting targets from a greater distance beyond the limits of modern air defence systems will be installed on board.”
 
In other words, if the above-described development happens soon enough, then should Trump decide to invade Venezuela, his attack aircraft may be spotted even at a long distance away from the Venezuelan borders and shot down on arrival. And we now know that Russian military development proceeds at a staggering pace.

Have you ordered your Putin calendar yet?

Amazon has them:  :nod: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Calendar of the President, Vladimir Putin, of Russia (https://www.amazon.com/Calendar-President-Russia-Vladimir-Putin/dp/B07GXG7FBL)

Original posted by Vince Dhimos http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/military-affairs/the-strange-news-blackout-onthe-russian-aircraft-shipment-to-venezuela#
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: AvHdB on December 22, 2018, 06:18:42 PM
Worth noting the Russians have sent these aircraft before to Venezuela. They traveled as far as I can see with out a fighter escort. In other words they are ready for a turkey shoot at low level flight. Two cargo plans accompanied them. No images of humanitarian aid being offloaded have appeared, but maybe it is on RU.

Wiz, Do try to keep up.

As I noted elsewhere the TU-160 have visited Venezuela before. Av
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 23, 2018, 12:07:03 AM
Worth noting the Russians have sent these aircraft before to Venezuela. They traveled as far as I can see with out a fighter escort. In other words they are ready for a turkey shoot at low level flight. Two cargo plans accompanied them. No images of humanitarian aid being offloaded have appeared, but maybe it is on RU.

Wiz, Do try to keep up.

As I noted elsewhere the TU-160 have visited Venezuela before. Av


I do pay attention old boy and I posted a reply, after your comments. See bellow my reply. Obviously you were drunk, when I posted this reply!

I suggest, stay off the bottle for awhile, pay attention to the other people's replies and learn to say Sorry when you Fcuk up!  :P


HERE IS WHAT I POSTED AS A REPLY TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS!

Worth noting the Russians have sent these aircraft before to Venezuela. They traveled as far as I can see with out a fighter escort. In other words they are ready for a turkey shoot at low level flight. Two cargo plans accompanied them. No images of humanitarian aid being offloaded have appeared, but maybe it is on RU.

Have you not, heard the expressions.......

"Flying or showing the Flag" ..... and ... "Testing the limits"?

It's not the Russians who have quit the IBM and planning to quit the INF agreement  but the USA!

May I also remind you about the signed IRAN agreement that Trump has quit awhile ago?

How can we expect any country to trust the American Government anymore?


 :nod:  tiphat

When you are not under the influence of your favorite plonk...... start reading againg the erticle..... from the paragraph ......

"Even the Saker only translated a Russian commentator discussing the US hysteria over the 2 bombers landing within striking distance of the US. He too missed an important point."

... and maybe you will realise what the commenter has posted, which if it is true then we will understand what the Russians have done in Syria and also in Venezuela.

BTW Maduro was in Moscow before these flight took place and probably that is the reason James Mattis resigned....... ???

Any how don't forget what I said earlier............ :coffeeread:

Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Manny on December 30, 2018, 04:39:24 PM
None of the reports or official statements on the Russian or US side mention it, but as we reported here, Trump has been threatening for quite some time to invade Venezuela, which means this Russian move is anything but a waste of money.
After all, if Venezuela is poor, then why is the US imposing sanctions on the country that make it even poorer? This point was never made in any media, either Western or Russian, that we examined.

 
Even the Saker only translated a Russian commentator discussing the US hysteria over the 2 bombers landing within striking distance of the US. He too missed an important point.
 
And what did they all miss – both alt-media and msm of both Russia and the West?
 
Why they missed the presence of the An-124. And why is that important? Because this plane, one of the biggest transport planes in the world, is of no defensive value whatsoever to the Venezuelan military, and you would think some journalist somewhere, would have done some investigating into this fact and asked the obvious question: why was it sent? I mean, if you want to accompany a big bomber like the Tu-160s, then the obvious choice is not a lumbering transporter but an agile fighter jet to protect it.
 
I do not pretend to be clairvoyant, or to have special powers enabling me to see behind the news. On the other hand, I have a very suspicious mind and I remembered that the S-300 system was sent to Syria in An-124s.

I also note that all of four aircraft were sent to Venezuela, one of which was an Il-62. I further note that An-124s and Il-62s both participated in the shipment of the S-300 air defences to Syria. Since the Il-62 is a passenger plane, we might suppose that it transported the air defence/EW specialists to that destination. (These details on the aircraft used to ship the S-300s to Syria were provided by janes.com at the time). According to aerotime.aero, “hundreds” of Russian pilots were sent, presumably in the Il-62. But that makes no sense. You would not need hundreds of pilots for just 4 planes. But if the shipment in the An-124 had been air defence and/or EW equipment, then that many technicians would make sense. Assuming they stayed behind, you could conceivably need, say, 20-25 or more technicians setting up and manning these systems in 3 shifts per day plus several more to step in on holidays.

In addition to this air defence system, Syria also received electronic warfare (EW) equipment. And it was this EW system that put the fear of the Lord into the Israelis, who stopped or at least greatly curtailed their attacks on Syrian soil. While at least one Israeli attack has been reported since then, it was accomplished by means of SAMs and did not involve any aircraft, as had been the case prior to that. Israel was not risking losing any more fighter jets to Syrian missiles and understood Shoigu’s warning, following the shipment, that the satellite navigation, on-board radar and communications of any enemy aircraft participating in an attack on Syria from the West would be disabled.
 
So since the An-124 accompanying the transfer of aircraft to Venezuela could serve no other purpose than to transport large shipments of gear, is it not reasonable to speculate that Venezuela now has in its possession an air defence (S-300 or higher)  capable of downing one of those planes that Trump had threatened to invade Venezuela with, and that Russian specialists in air defence and EW are deployed there as well? What if the attackers are stealth aircraft? Russia has variously claimed the ability to “see” stealth fighters, and as we reported here, Russia has been working for years on a quantum radar system that could indeed visibilise stealth aircraft.
 
 
The fact that the Tu-160 bombers are now back in Russia is a further clue that these bombers may well have been not only a warning to the US but also a smoke screen – a very effective one – to hide the fact that Russia has just made Venezuela invulnerable to an invasion from the air.
 
Not one news outlet or blog mentioned any of this. While I am not a prophet, I do connect dots. So let’s see what materializes in the future. For example, if Trump suddenly falls silent over his possible response to the Venezuela situation, that could be a clue. Or perhaps another An-124 will fly to Venezuela -- a dead give-away. It is entirely possible that the Russian MoD has already warned the US that it has deployed the latest EW and air defences in Venezuela, and the msm are not privy to this information. Neither the US nor the Russian government have any particular interest in this being bruited to the world. The Russians give the US a chance to save face when possible.
 

Finally, to address US officials’ amateurish criticism of the Soviet-era Tu-160, an article in versia.ru Of 12-17-2018 points out that the Tu-160 missile carrier is being constantly updated and is not the worn-out relic it is portrayed as in US media and officialdom. It states [our translation]:
 
“The Tu-160 will become a full-fledged reconnaissance aircraft, and in addition, modern radar systems will allow it to detect subtle fighters of NATO countries at long distances. It is not excluded that the capabilities of the Tu-160 as a strategic bomber will increase as well - "smart" missile weapons capable of hitting targets from a greater distance beyond the limits of modern air defence systems will be installed on board.”
 
In other words, if the above-described development happens soon enough, then should Trump decide to invade Venezuela, his attack aircraft may be spotted even at a long distance away from the Venezuelan borders and shot down on arrival. And we now know that Russian military development proceeds at a staggering pace.

Well spotted, Wiz. I expect that's the answer.  :nod:
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: msmoby on December 30, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
Wiz

or anyone foolish enough to think Wiz knows what he is talking about ? ..

Venezuela already HAD Russian S-300's

Do TRY to keep up ...

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-400-game-changer-the-middle-east-america-should-22760 (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-400-game-changer-the-middle-east-america-should-22760)

"There are other users of these systems. There is China, of course, but also India, Ukraine, Venezuela and NATO member Bulgaria, to name a few."

The article is a bit iffy as Cyprus never saw the S-300s - they went straight to Greece and it seems a little gung ho about RU kit that has not seen proper action against NATO defences ( SU-35)

SO, may be the Antonov was bringing in furniture for the Russian Ambassador or even S-400's ? ;) [ had a RU client who's Dad leased out An-124's to NATO and landed his furniture for his CY house from Siberia at RAF Akrotiri ]
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on December 31, 2018, 04:02:37 AM
None of the reports or official statements on the Russian or US side mention it, but as we reported here, Trump has been threatening for quite some time to invade Venezuela, which means this Russian move is anything but a waste of money.
After all, if Venezuela is poor, then why is the US imposing sanctions on the country that make it even poorer? This point was never made in any media, either Western or Russian, that we examined.

 
Even the Saker only translated a Russian commentator discussing the US hysteria over the 2 bombers landing within striking distance of the US. He too missed an important point.
 
And what did they all miss – both alt-media and msm of both Russia and the West?
 
Why they missed the presence of the An-124. And why is that important? Because this plane, one of the biggest transport planes in the world, is of no defensive value whatsoever to the Venezuelan military, and you would think some journalist somewhere, would have done some investigating into this fact and asked the obvious question: why was it sent? I mean, if you want to accompany a big bomber like the Tu-160s, then the obvious choice is not a lumbering transporter but an agile fighter jet to protect it.
 
I do not pretend to be clairvoyant, or to have special powers enabling me to see behind the news. On the other hand, I have a very suspicious mind and I remembered that the S-300 system was sent to Syria in An-124s.

I also note that all of four aircraft were sent to Venezuela, one of which was an Il-62. I further note that An-124s and Il-62s both participated in the shipment of the S-300 air defences to Syria. Since the Il-62 is a passenger plane, we might suppose that it transported the air defence/EW specialists to that destination. (These details on the aircraft used to ship the S-300s to Syria were provided by janes.com at the time). According to aerotime.aero, “hundreds” of Russian pilots were sent, presumably in the Il-62. But that makes no sense. You would not need hundreds of pilots for just 4 planes. But if the shipment in the An-124 had been air defence and/or EW equipment, then that many technicians would make sense. Assuming they stayed behind, you could conceivably need, say, 20-25 or more technicians setting up and manning these systems in 3 shifts per day plus several more to step in on holidays.

In addition to this air defence system, Syria also received electronic warfare (EW) equipment. And it was this EW system that put the fear of the Lord into the Israelis, who stopped or at least greatly curtailed their attacks on Syrian soil. While at least one Israeli attack has been reported since then, it was accomplished by means of SAMs and did not involve any aircraft, as had been the case prior to that. Israel was not risking losing any more fighter jets to Syrian missiles and understood Shoigu’s warning, following the shipment, that the satellite navigation, on-board radar and communications of any enemy aircraft participating in an attack on Syria from the West would be disabled.
 
So since the An-124 accompanying the transfer of aircraft to Venezuela could serve no other purpose than to transport large shipments of gear, is it not reasonable to speculate that Venezuela now has in its possession an air defence (S-300 or higher)  capable of downing one of those planes that Trump had threatened to invade Venezuela with, and that Russian specialists in air defence and EW are deployed there as well? What if the attackers are stealth aircraft? Russia has variously claimed the ability to “see” stealth fighters, and as we reported here, Russia has been working for years on a quantum radar system that could indeed visibilise stealth aircraft.
 
 
The fact that the Tu-160 bombers are now back in Russia is a further clue that these bombers may well have been not only a warning to the US but also a smoke screen – a very effective one – to hide the fact that Russia has just made Venezuela invulnerable to an invasion from the air.
 
Not one news outlet or blog mentioned any of this. While I am not a prophet, I do connect dots. So let’s see what materializes in the future. For example, if Trump suddenly falls silent over his possible response to the Venezuela situation, that could be a clue. Or perhaps another An-124 will fly to Venezuela -- a dead give-away. It is entirely possible that the Russian MoD has already warned the US that it has deployed the latest EW and air defences in Venezuela, and the msm are not privy to this information. Neither the US nor the Russian government have any particular interest in this being bruited to the world. The Russians give the US a chance to save face when possible.
 

Finally, to address US officials’ amateurish criticism of the Soviet-era Tu-160, an article in versia.ru Of 12-17-2018 points out that the Tu-160 missile carrier is being constantly updated and is not the worn-out relic it is portrayed as in US media and officialdom. It states [our translation]:
 
“The Tu-160 will become a full-fledged reconnaissance aircraft, and in addition, modern radar systems will allow it to detect subtle fighters of NATO countries at long distances. It is not excluded that the capabilities of the Tu-160 as a strategic bomber will increase as well - "smart" missile weapons capable of hitting targets from a greater distance beyond the limits of modern air defence systems will be installed on board.”
 
In other words, if the above-described development happens soon enough, then should Trump decide to invade Venezuela, his attack aircraft may be spotted even at a long distance away from the Venezuelan borders and shot down on arrival. And we now know that Russian military development proceeds at a staggering pace.

Well spotted, Wiz. I expect that's the answer.  :nod:

Manny

Be careful, you will be accused of supporting a wack conspiracy theorist/follower...... by the Brilliant mind from Northern Ireland...... :laugh:.... Did you see the photo of him and "Put In" at Sochi?

This article got my interest...... when I red in the first Paragraph...... and like you I think it's right.

"After all, if Venezuela is poor, then why is the US imposing sanctions on the country that make it even poorer?"

At the end of the day, why most if not all presidents of USA have tried to invade and fcuk Venezouela, if it has nothing of interest.?

I don't thing anybody will invest any money in any country.... without expecting to get good return for his/her money.

Russia and Putin have lend/risked lot's of money to Venezuela...... and I am sure this move was another clever move by Putin...... and his advisors... especially the defence Minister Shoigu, to protect their investment!

Take a look at the change of tactics in Syria by the Israelis........after the S-300 arrived and the change of the Game by Trump regarding Syria.


But.... "ΦΟΒΟΥ ΤΟΥΣ ΔΑΝΑΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΩΡΑ ΦΕΡΟΝΤΕΣ" ...(FOVOU TOUS DANAOUS KAI DORA FERONTES).....or you must know....

"Be aware of the Greeks bearing Gifts"

Enjoy your Holiday !
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: dcguyusa on January 24, 2019, 06:06:51 PM
Quote
China, Russia side with Maduro as US backs Venezuela challenger

https://news.yahoo.com/us-regional-powers-recognise-maduro-opponent-venezuela-leader-015022045.html


Now it is back to the Cold War.  Ahh.. the good old days.   :chuckle:

Quote
We’re playing Russian roulette with humanity,"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/24/doomsday-clock-how-close-we-midnight/2666319002/

Oh well,  it was nice while it lasted.   Time to fix up the fallout shelters.  :chuckle: (:)
Title: Re: Russia Sends Military Aircraft to Venezuela
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2019, 06:35:28 PM

Now it is back to the Cold War.  Ahh.. the good old days.   :chuckle:

Quote
We’re playing Russian roulette with humanity,"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/24/doomsday-clock-how-close-we-midnight/2666319002/

Oh well,  it was nice while it lasted.   Time to fix up the fallout shelters.  :chuckle: (:)

Doomsday scientist say current reality is frightening. It's safe to assume they don't get laid very often.