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Title: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: justadude on November 17, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
I have been doing a little reading on I-864 and I find it to be troubling if not terrifying. By signing this binding document, which is essentially a contract between you and the federal government, you agree to support the beneficiary for life at 125% of the poverty level. Yes you read that right. There are a few specific things which can absolve you of this responsibility, most notably the beneficiary decides to abandon residency status or the beneficiary works for 10 years. However, the beneficiary is obligated to do neither. It is not like normal alimony where you can have imputed income or other court ordered motivation to have the person work.

 

I have read reports that say this is not enforced very often but further reading seems to suggest that enforcement is on the rise. Does anyone have any firsthand knowledge of this? I read a blog by a sponsor was very worried that it was going to be enforced on him. Have you been on either end of an enforced I-864? If so, can you detail what happened? I appreciate other comments but firsthand knowledge is so valuable. 
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: yankee on November 17, 2018, 08:57:53 PM
If you don't like the  I-864, don't sponsor someone.  Bring them in illegally. I think every alien that enters the USA should be required to have a sponsor. If you are not willing to sign one for your future wife then don't bring her here.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: BillyB on November 17, 2018, 09:33:35 PM

I have read reports that say this is not enforced very often but further reading seems to suggest that enforcement is on the rise. Does anyone have any firsthand knowledge of this? I read a blog by a sponsor was very worried that it was going to be enforced on him. Have you been on either end of an enforced I-864?


Everybody in America who brings a spouse over signs an I-864. It's not enforced often but chances are, your alimony to your ex will be longer and greater than normal since English is her second language and she's probably not very employable.

There's a certain amount of risk to marrying any woman. If the risk outweighs the rewards, then you shouldn't marry the woman.

Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: andrewfi on November 18, 2018, 03:02:37 AM
If you are concerned about taking responsibility for this woman then don't do it.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Steveboy on November 18, 2018, 04:31:52 AM
Why don't you just find a women in the USA????
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: sparky114 on November 18, 2018, 07:05:46 AM
You worried about her taking you to the cleaners  :chuckle:

You want to worry how much the remodelling of the house, the buying of clothes for her, plus all the other woman's needs in the first 0-12 months of having your honey there with you matey

Way more than your expecting  :chuckle:

Now stop being a prize DICK and man up  :'(
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: justadude on November 18, 2018, 10:39:28 AM
These responses illustrate how difficult it is to get a relevant answer to a specific question without emotions getting involved on RUA. Perhaps it's because this forum is primarily about male-female relationships, which are inherently emotional. Then again, I've experienced it on automotive enthusiast forums as well. (And yes, I'll admit I'm guilty of trolling when the flaming gets rediculous)

Still, it's hard for me to imagine getting emotionally involved in the affairs of someone I've never met in person. I'm fascinated by this.

But back to the question. I'm hoping to find input from someone who's actually signed an I-864. Since some of the respondents are married, presumably you have, unless you're not American or your spouse is not yet living in the states.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: yankee on November 18, 2018, 10:49:26 AM
These responses illustrate how difficult it is to get a relevant answer to a specific question without emotions getting involved on RUA. Perhaps it's because this forum is primarily about male-female relationships, which are inherently emotional. Then again, I've experienced it on automotive enthusiast forums as well. (And yes, I'll admit I'm guilty of trolling when the flaming gets rediculous)

Still, it's hard for me to imagine getting emotionally involved in the affairs of someone I've never met in person. I'm fascinated by this.

But back to the question. I'm hoping to find input from someone who's actually signed an I-864. Since some of the respondents are married, presumably you have, unless you're not American or your spouse is not yet living in the states.

Anyone?


You are correct. Every American that has sponsored a foreign spouse has filled out an I-864 form or had someone else sponsor the person.  My first wife was foreign and my current wife was foreign.  So, yes, I have filled one of them out before.  What is your problem with it?
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Guile on November 18, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
His problem is that she'll break up with him and he'll have to pay support again and be broke.  Simply money.

justadude better to end it now. you aren't in any frame of mind to be getting married let alone dating.  you just want all the goodie but none of the work.

that you are asking about prenups and affidavits so late shows you are not prepared.  this stuff should have been done ages ago.

Ask yourself how likely is this girl going to leave you if she doesn't get her way?  figure out the answer and act appropriately.
Title: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2018, 11:22:27 AM
But back to the question. I'm hoping to find input from someone who's actually signed an I-864. Since some of the respondents are married, presumably you have, unless you're not American or your spouse is not yet living in the states.

Anyone?

I signed it.

I believe in my wife and she believed in me enough to move to North Dakota
(we've since moved away). She moved away from her family, friends, her country,
her culture, her language because she wanted to be my wife. It's a big commitment
and it's certainly not for everyone, but it was for me. 







Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: BillyB on November 18, 2018, 11:42:05 AM
I signed it.

Most Americans do not know what an I-864 is. Most family court/divorce court judges don't know what an I-864 is. Most divorce lawyers don't know what an I-864 is. Chances are, nobody is going to make you honor your commitment to the I-864 you signed since most people don't know it exists.

In the event of a divorce, most judges may award a higher amount and longer lasting alimony if he/she feels your soon to be ex needs a longer time to adjust to the single life in a country she's not familiar with. That is where you will pay big and if your ex doesn't adjust to life with your money within the time a judge gives her, you can count on us, your fellow taxpayers, to take care of your mistake.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: yankee on November 18, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
But back to the question. I'm hoping to find input from someone who's actually signed an I-864. Since some of the respondents are married, presumably you have, unless you're not American or your spouse is not yet living in the states.

Anyone?

I signed it.

I believe in my wife and she believed in me enough to move to North Dakota
(we've since moved away). She moved away from her family, friends, her country,
her culture, her language because she wanted to be my wife. It's a big commitment
and it's certainly not for everyone, but it was for me.



I couldn't agree with you more!  My  wife gave up the chair of a university department and her life long love of teaching to come to the USA to marry me.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Confederate on November 18, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
I have not signed one but TBH I don’t think it’s a whole lot different than an American guy getting married to an American gal. If she’s a stay at home wife and mother who doesn’t work, in the event of a divorce he’s going to be ordered by a court to financially support her.

I think you should take a novel approach and stop thinking of negative “what if’s” and start thinking of positive what if’s.

Take some time and read about 2TallBill’s life since he got married and how he and his wife have made a life together. Sort of reminds me of the movie “It’s a wonderful life” but better because it’s real.

Then again 2Tall is totally dedicated to his wife, we haven’t seen that attitude of love and devotion out of you.

Last but not least life has a funny way of matching our expectations.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Guile on November 18, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
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Then again 2Tall is totally dedicated to his wife, we haven’t seen that attitude of love and devotion out of you.



exactly...you need to put in the effort and cater to her.  She's the one moving to a strange new country, not you.  About my translating I wish I could help more but as I said I am out of the area and my fee is probably too high for you.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: AvHdB on November 18, 2018, 01:09:00 PM

I think you should take a novel approach and stop thinking of negative “what if’s” and start thinking of positive what if’s.

Take some time and read about 2TallBill’s life since he got married and how he and his wife have made a life together. Sort of reminds me of the movie “It’s a wonderful life” but better because it’s real.

Then again 2Tall is totally dedicated to his wife, we haven’t seen that attitude of love and devotion out of you.


JustaDude, For a while now you have spoken only about the risks, but never the rewards. Maybe an attitude adjustment is needed?
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: justadude on November 18, 2018, 07:05:15 PM
Thanks Yankee, Bill and Billy. I appreciate the first hand perspective.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Confederate on November 18, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
These responses illustrate how difficult it is to get a relevant answer to a specific question without emotions getting involved on RUA...

(And yes, I'll admit I'm guilty of trolling when the flaming gets ridiculous)

I guessed that one correctly didn't I?!  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Omega1982 on November 18, 2018, 09:20:46 PM
What's the poverty level in California? 

Are you sure it's for life? 

I thought it was for ten years. 

Does this exist in the UK/EU? 
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: B.B. on November 18, 2018, 10:49:34 PM
Are you sure it's for life? 

I thought it was for ten years. 

The clock starts ticking once she stars working.  Once she is credited with 40 quarters of work - ten years if consecutive - then the obligation ceases, however....Plot twist!...per the BCIS website, it also vanishes once the immigrant becomes a US citizen.  That can happen substantially sooner.

B/B
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 12:21:07 AM


Does this exist in the UK/EU?

Nope ...   The poor FSU partner can find themselves being 'asked to leave' if the relationship doesn't work out ..



Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2018, 11:24:10 AM


Does this exist in the UK/EU?

Nope ...   The poor FSU partner can find themselves being 'asked to leave' if the relationship doesn't work out ..

Unless they hoodwink the authorities and cheat the taxpayer by not getting divorced and pretend on paper that they are still a functioning married couple. I am sure nobody here knows anyone who would do such a thing.  :whist11:
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Halo on November 19, 2018, 11:38:08 AM
I had to sign a similar obligation when I sponsored my husband.  At that time, it was a 10 year obligation, citizenship did not matter.  It's less now, though I can't be bothered to look it up.  I'm still married, so obviously, it was never an issue.

You are worrying about almost nothing.  As I posted in your other thread, FSUW generally do not sit on welfare.  If you pay for her education and things go south later, she will  work, and will probably be a citizen by then in any event.  Further, if you are worried about this, then you can't afford an FSUW.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 12:01:18 PM


Unless they hoodwink the authorities and cheat the taxpayer by not getting divorced and pretend on paper that they are still a functioning married couple. I am sure nobody here knows anyone who would do such a thing.  :whist11:

OK, so so ARE as daft as BillyB

This is not the first time you've posted this bollox...



1/ There was no hoodwinking - the Home office were informed of the separation t the time AMD change of address and when applying for permanent residency

2/ The tax payers were not cheated - my step-son took out a student loan. On his application form my address was listed in Northumberland - his Ma's in London - status SEPARATED

3/ No pretence was made in any, way shape or form that we were a 'functioning married couple' ... in fact you tried to make hay out of the fact we were extremely dysfunctional  :coffeeread:

4/ V (and my step-son) came to this country using the freedom of movement Directive 2004/38/EC - NOT the UK national route you used

You really should have understood that I'd know it's in's and out's rather better than you



It's really ironic that a guy that delights in not paying his licence fee - boasting about it - would suggest someone doing something quite LEGAL isn't playing by the book ;)



Your post was a bit like posting a picture of one's missus' that's not flattering ....  you're not doing yourself any favours !
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Confederate on November 19, 2018, 12:09:15 PM


Does this exist in the UK/EU?

Nope ...   The poor FSU partner can find themselves being 'asked to leave' if the relationship doesn't work out ..

Unless they hoodwink the authorities and cheat the taxpayer by not getting divorced and pretend on paper that they are still a functioning married couple. I am sure nobody here knows anyone who would do such a thing.  :whist11:

Aha! Be sure the truth will out. Now it all makes sense. Moldy!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2018, 12:46:40 PM


Unless they hoodwink the authorities and cheat the taxpayer by not getting divorced and pretend on paper that they are still a functioning married couple. I am sure nobody here knows anyone who would do such a thing.  :whist11:

OK, so so ARE as daft as BillyB

This is not the first time you've posted this bollox...



1/ There was no hoodwinking - the Home office were informed of the separation t the time AMD change of address and when applying for permanent residency

2/ The tax payers were not cheated - my step-son took out a student loan. On his application form my address was listed in Northumberland - his Ma's in London - status SEPARATED

3/ No pretence was made in any, way shape or form that we were a 'functioning married couple' ... in fact you tried to make hay out of the fact we were extremely dysfunctional  :coffeeread:

4/ V (and my step-son) came to this country using the freedom of movement Directive 2004/38/EC - NOT the UK national route you used

You really should have understood that I'd know it's in's and out's rather better than you



It's really ironic that a guy that delights in not paying his licence fee - boasting about it - would suggest someone doing something quite LEGAL isn't playing by the book ;)



Your post was a bit like posting a picture of one's missus' that's not flattering ....  you're not doing yourself any favours !

Oh, did you think I meant you?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: rosco on November 19, 2018, 01:10:29 PM


Unless they hoodwink the authorities and cheat the taxpayer by not getting divorced and pretend on paper that they are still a functioning married couple. I am sure nobody here knows anyone who would do such a thing.  :whist11:

OK, so so ARE as daft as BillyB

This is not the first time you've posted this bollox...



1/ There was no hoodwinking - the Home office were informed of the separation t the time AMD change of address and when applying for permanent residency

2/ The tax payers were not cheated - my step-son took out a student loan. On his application form my address was listed in Northumberland - his Ma's in London - status SEPARATED

3/ No pretence was made in any, way shape or form that we were a 'functioning married couple' ... in fact you tried to make hay out of the fact we were extremely dysfunctional  :coffeeread:

4/ V (and my step-son) came to this country using the freedom of movement Directive 2004/38/EC - NOT the UK national route you used

You really should have understood that I'd know it's in's and out's rather better than you



It's really ironic that a guy that delights in not paying his licence fee - boasting about it - would suggest someone doing something quite LEGAL isn't playing by the book ;)



Your post was a bit like posting a picture of one's missus' that's not flattering ....  you're not doing yourself any favours !

Oh, did you think I meant you?  :laugh:

I liked the suggestion that you’re not paying a BBC bully tax (£150.50) whilst ignoring the fact you pay income tax/corporation tax/capital gains!! It almost suggests you aren't paying your own way??  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: dcguyusa on November 19, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
I completed the Affidavit for Support forms in the past for relative immigration purposes.  The Government does not want any "freeloaders" coming into this country so they drop the responsibility on the petitioner (or others named on the petition).  Have they enforced this on me?  Well, my relatives waited until the time of support on the petition had passed before they applied for social service support.  But had they not, would it have fallen on the petitioner or others named on it?  Probably so because you put your financial ID information on the form as well as evidence of your assets. So they can track down any deadbeats.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: dcguyusa on November 20, 2018, 12:20:58 AM
Are you sure it's for life? 

I thought it was for ten years. 

The clock starts ticking once she stars working.  Once she is credited with 40 quarters of work - ten years if consecutive - then the obligation ceases, however....Plot twist!...per the BCIS website, it also vanishes once the immigrant becomes a US citizen.  That can happen substantially sooner.

B/B

I don't believe that the regulations have changed, but you can apply for citizenship after residing in the country for five years and you have removed the conditional permanent residency status on your visa.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: andrewfi on November 20, 2018, 01:32:28 AM
These responses illustrate how difficult it is to get a relevant answer to a specific question without emotions getting involved on RUA...

(And yes, I'll admit I'm guilty of trolling when the flaming gets ridiculous)

I guessed that one correctly didn't I?!  :coffeeread:

Except that he's not very good at it. The trolling, if it exists at all, seems to be entirely consistent with everything else he shares with us.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: NS1 on November 20, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
In Canada is  3 years for a spouse and 10 years or age of 18, which ever comes
first, with a minimum of 3 years also. Through divorce your wife would be entitle
to half of your assets also. I suspect there is more if one were to contact a divorce lawyer
to find out. This is what I read at time of doing the paper work.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: justadude on November 23, 2018, 07:46:35 PM
 Have they enforced this on me?  Well, my relatives waited until the time of support on the petition had passed before they applied for social service support.  But had they not, would it have fallen on the petitioner or others named on it?

Is it safe to assume, then, that it wasn't an I-864 that you signed?

As mentioned above, passing time, in the absence of the beneficiary working and accruing social security credit, does not free one from the obligation, according to my reading of the rules.
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: yankee on November 24, 2018, 06:44:39 AM
Have they enforced this on me?  Well, my relatives waited until the time of support on the petition had passed before they applied for social service support.  But had they not, would it have fallen on the petitioner or others named on it?

Is it safe to assume, then, that it wasn't an I-864 that you signed?

As mentioned above, passing time, in the absence of the beneficiary working and accruing social security credit, does not free one from the obligation, according to my reading of the rules.

Please read BB's comments
This question
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: Steveboy on November 24, 2018, 07:22:45 AM
You know life really is to short to worry about any of this shit.. you could die tomorrow!

Don't waste your life thinking about "what if". Just do..

I could spend half my life wondering if Im going to die in road accident every time I take a taxi as they drive like idiots, last weekend a car just missed us by inches ! I always wear a belt in the back and ready for the brace position.. yeah really.  :laugh:
But I'm not going to waste my time thinking about what happens if we do get hit.. I will cross that path if it happens, well I will try to if Im able to walk!!

Whats the worst that can possibly happen to you? There are kids in Africa 3 years old who haven't eaten a proper dinner for 6 months and your working about if some women you haven't even married yet may take your "Salt and pepper pot"
Title: Re: Have you ever signed an I-864 affidavit of support?
Post by: dcguyusa on November 26, 2018, 06:18:24 PM
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Is it safe to assume, then, that it wasn't an I-864 that you signed?

I haven't filed the I-864 recently, so do not know if any of the regulations have changed.  Going back decades, filing the form obliged the sponsor to provide financial assistance to the beneficiary without government assistance.  But, there was a time limit applied to this obligation.  I don't recall the exact amount, but it was not until the death of the beneficiary.  There is also another immigration form similar to I-864 that obliged the petitioner to assume financial responsibility for the beneficiary, but I don't recall the form number.

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As mentioned above, passing time, in the absence of the beneficiary working and accruing social security credit, does not free one from the obligation, according to my reading of the rules.

That is how it was also applied decades ago.  The beneficiary was blocked from becoming a "freeloader" on welfare during the time period specified on the petition.  If you tried to circumvent the rules and got benefits, they could come after the petitioner.