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Title: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on July 16, 2018, 07:08:28 AM
A nice gift to all the football fans from Mr Putin.. :thumbsup:


https://www.rt.com/sport/433285-putin-world-cup-proud/
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 07:48:27 AM
Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?

Now that Russia had a very successful "Prova Generale" with the world cup....and all the world has seen not only the games but all other aspects of Russian life, had a good time.... and made glowing comments about the country, I think, it's about time to write to a nice letter to President Putin.... asking him to introduce Free visa ….. or Visa on arrival and forget the reciprocation.

Trump congratulated Putin in Helsinki today..... for the successful organisation and I noticed his famous handshake and comments were on equal base.

It is my view that Putin now is in a position to pull a "Match" against the whole west:

These were, is my view, the results so far:

GAME: Putin published in NY Times a letter and stopped Obama invading Syrria and later arranged for Asad's chemicals to be destroy it!

SET:  The US has reduced its presence in Syria and I expect that during the Helsinki Meeting, Trump will offer to get out of Syria......with some kind in exchange....

MATCH Now Putin has the opportunity for the Match.... I am sure Putin does recognise the economic benefits a free visa travel will bring to his country.

Additionally will change all the wrong fake impressions presented to us in the west by the MSM and opening his country offering Free travel Visa or at least Visa on Arrival.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 04:23:45 PM
Picking up a comment from another topic here........

PS: Are you going to join me to write the letter to the president or you will have a chat with the Ambassador?

We follow each other on Twitter from when I did some writing at RT, and we have spoken a little. He isn't my brother. He doesn't feel the need to check in with me each morning.  :chuckle:

He is however I know generally supportive of an easier visa regime for Brits to visit Russia and vice versa. You'll recall I lobbied a little for similar once before and he suggested if I put in a detailed proposal, an analysis of benefits if you like, he can make sure it is mentioned at the top of the tree and it will get run up the flagpole. As it was, at the time, I didn't have the spare time to put into creating the kind of document I think it needed so I never sent him the document. But also at that time it was when the Brits started putting extra onerous nonsense like Biometrics on Russians wanting visas and they reciprocated. Another influential person I discussed this with said it would go nowhere in the then political climate as sanctions et al were already being mooted by the US and the EU was just waiting to be told how high to jump.

As you suggested, it *may* be the time to appeal directly to Putin for an easier visa regime in light of recent events. But I'd suggest it needs to be written properly and protocol says it should be done in Russian. I'd help out with the crafting of such a document and wifey would translate it (her being certified by the embassy in London can't do any harm), but as my wife - in common with many here - clears off to Russia for most of the August school holidays, I doubt we could have a Russian copy ready before mid September. Unless someone else wants to translate.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 05:26:17 PM
Just before I retire for the day..... got your delayed message.

I definitely think it's the right time to have a try....

Take a look at the figures........ for Russia, the largest country in the world

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/international-tourism-number-of-arrivals-wb-data.html

and look for Greece......the size of one of their republics.

https://tradingeconomics.com/greece/tourist-arrivals

This year is estimated to reach 30 million......

Russia had a good test run with the world cup 18 ........and if they are clever.....and drop the visa.... or make it visa on arrival, like Turkey......$20 then you can see the potential for another revenue stream, employment and so on.

If they permit direct charter flights to holiday resorts, like Sochi, Crimea etc.....the results will blow them up.......they will start running to catch up, like it happened to Spain, Greece during the 70's.

Game Set and Match ... don't you think?

Wife is working over the w/end so I will try to write something...... and if we are lucky......we may move the mountain of Russian ego.

BTW she must have email and you can ask her politely... to work .. for the good of her country!

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Manny on July 18, 2018, 04:40:23 AM
BTW she must have email and you can ask her politely... to work .. for the good of her country!

She'll not work when she is in Russia.  :coffeeread:

See if yours will.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2018, 11:44:56 AM
BTW she must have email and you can ask her politely... to work .. for the good of her country!

She'll not work when she is in Russia.  :coffeeread:

See if yours will.  :chuckle:

I don't think so...as she will be busy... talking away with mama, family and friends..... :nod:

Meanwhile I have not started preparing a draft .... maybe over the weekend, but in between I have to write two very important letters......

Do you think you could be helpful writing an outline of subjects/points to follow or you are busy taking measures about water?

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on July 18, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
I don't think mr Putin is going to make any concessions for men who stole the Motherlands women do you?
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2018, 03:46:26 PM
I don't think mr Putin is going to make any concessions for men who stole the Motherlands women do you?

All of us who have married Russian brides have not stolen the "Motherland women". On  the contrary all of them came out of Russia at their will and was their own decision.

On the other hand Putin, maybe, is not very happy with all those traders/businessmen  who facilitate the exodus of the "Motherland women"!

Is that why you are dreaming for your island paradise?
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2018, 05:37:50 PM
I don't think mr Putin is going to make any concessions for men who stole the Motherlands women do you?

All of us who have married Russian brides have not stolen the "Motherland women". On  the contrary all of them came out of Russia at their will and was their own decision.

On the other hand Putin, maybe, is not very happy with all those traders/businessmen  who facilitate the exodus of the "Motherland women"!

Is that why you are dreaming for your island paradise?


 :ROFL:   :ROFL:   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2018, 10:07:57 PM
I don't think mr Putin is going to make any concessions for men who stole the Motherlands women do you?

On the other hand Putin, maybe, is not very happy with all those traders/businessmen  who facilitate the exodus of the "Motherland women"!

Is that why you are dreaming for your island paradise?



  :laugh:  :king:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Annushka on July 18, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
Hello guys! Miss your intellect!  :-* tiphat
I am completely busy with guests: children, grandchildren, nephews, childbirth! I do not know who was playing in Peter's niece!
I just admire you from the virtual! You have time to marry a Russian girl "Without a dowry"!
I apologize for my age. I remember how I went to Europe in the 80s of last century. Iron curtain! Interview with the KGB!
There are girls who could not go abroad because of the KGB ban. They gave birth to children in the Soviet Union!
Naturally, I, the beautiful girl, the first beauty (I'm just now talking about this) on the course to Odessa Ecological University was a huge success in one course foreigners.
  But! I'm sorry and sorry! I worked for the military aviation of the USSR! I have men for comparison!

I want to warn (I'm in the past an aviation weatherman ( forecast- that says it all!)
Russian girls do not want to change Russia to Europe and America!
Welcome to Russia!

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Annushka on July 18, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
Original film "On the Murom track," Watch here:
https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho (https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho)

Naturally, the question? Who needs these problems! Emotions or prestige, or through Russian citizenship to buy "Ticket through the Mundial"?)
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 19, 2018, 08:12:37 AM
Original film "On the Murom track," Watch here:
https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho (https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho)

Naturally, the question? Who needs these problems! Emotions or prestige, or through Russian citizenship to buy "Ticket through the Mundial"?)

Dear Ammushka

I think you have not understood the purpose of this thread because of the comments and jokes made of the other boys.....and me.

Manny and I, both understand the tremendous economic and other benefits that Russia Federation can receive by simply making changes, simplifying the visa requirement.

Russia has spent many billion dollars, to organise the Sochi Olympics and also the FIFA world cup and additionally, for the improvements of local infrastructures.

The main income of Russia, is based on exports of on Natural resources of which you have plenty. Why not, now, to increase your Tourist export income by making travelling to Russia easier and increase tourist arrivals in the country?

You have the facilities, infrastructure and with the FIFA world cup you had a good run and put everything to the test and it was a roaring success.

Why not continue receiving the same benefits for ever?

Before you say it is a security problem, I can assure you that Russia and the West have the necessary technology and sources to know what the other side is doing.

When Putin and Trump met "Alone" in a room in Helsinki, only with their translators present, I expect the US and Russian security services have checked that room. I am sure that the conversation has been recorded and each has a copy for future references.

Be sure when Trump and Putin go to the toilet..... the other side know about it!

Previously I posted some links to Manny about tourist stats and if you have a look you will see that Russia, the largest country in th world, with 140 million people....and Greece a small country in size and only 10 million people receive the same amount of visitors.

The reason is simple. Greece does not require Visa from all European countries and America.... where your country does require one and it's a pain in the ass to go through the procedure and costs lot's of money.

Putin now has the opportunity to change your visa Rules and offer either FREE visa, as he did with the football fans..... or at least Visa on Arrival to your airports, ports etc. He also should canx the visa registration with OVIR. Now you are fully computerised and there is not need to have this requirement.

Putin has a great opportunity to score a fantastic propaganda goal against all the western countries, especially USA, telling them that your country is more Democratic, free and easy to travel..... than USA and other EU countries.

I just wonder if your Russian ego, to be treated as Equals.... will allow you to see and take advantage of the fantastic opportunity you have in your hands.

On  a personal level, I have visited Russia over 15 times, travelled around in several places but after my last experience with OVIR in UFA, I have no reason to waist my money visiting our house and family there.

I can use the expensive cost for the ticket to go on Holiday elsewhere and with the same amount to have also Hotel and a car included in the price.

For the past 10 years my wife and I have travelled 30 times to many European destinations, with no visa problems because she had a Resident Card and now A british Passport.

 tiphat


 
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on July 19, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
Original film "On the Murom track," Watch here:
https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho (https://youtu.be/Xdz1OmU79ho)

Naturally, the question? Who needs these problems! Emotions or prestige, or through Russian citizenship to buy "Ticket through the Mundial"?)

Dear Ammushka

I think you have not understood the purpose of this thread because of the comments and jokes made of the other boys.....and me.

Manny and I, both understand the tremendous economic and other benefits that Russia Federation can receive by simply making changes, simplifying the visa requirement.

Russia has spent many billion dollars, to organise the Sochi Olympics and also the FIFA world cup and additionally, for the improvements of local infrastructures.

The main income of Russia, is based on exports of on Natural resources of which you have plenty. Why not, now, to increase your Tourist export income by making travelling to Russia easier and increase tourist arrivals in the country?

You have the facilities, infrastructure and with the FIFA world cup you had a good run and put everything to the test and it was a roaring success.

Why not continue receiving the same benefits for ever?

Before you say it is a security problem, I can assure you that Russia and the West have the necessary technology and sources to know what the other side is doing.

When Putin and Trump met "Alone" in a room in Helsinki, only with their translators present, I expect the US and Russian security services have checked that room. I am sure that the conversation has been recorded and each has a copy for future references.

Be sure when Trump and Putin go to the toilet..... the other side know about it!

Previously I posted some links to Manny about tourist stats and if you have a look you will see that Russia, the largest country in th world, with 140 million people....and Greece a small country in size and only 10 million people receive the same amount of visitors.

The reason is simple. Greece does not require Visa from all European countries and America.... where your country does require one and it's a pain in the ass to go through the procedure and costs lot's of money.

Putin now has the opportunity to change your visa Rules and offer either FREE visa, as he did with the football fans..... or at least Visa on Arrival to your airports, ports etc. He also should canx the visa registration with OVIR. Now you are fully computerised and there is not need to have this requirement.

Putin has a great opportunity to score a fantastic propaganda goal against all the western countries, especially USA, telling them that your country is more Democratic, free and easy to travel..... than USA and other EU countries.

I just wonder if your Russian ego, to be treated as Equals.... will allow you to see and take advantage of the fantastic opportunity you have in your hands.

On  a personal level, I have visited Russia over 15 times, travelled around in several places but after my last experience with OVIR in UFA, I have no reason to waist my money visiting our house and family there.

I can use the expensive cost for the ticket to go on Holiday elsewhere and with the same amount to have also Hotel and a car included in the price.

For the past 10 years my wife and I have travelled 30 times to many European destinations, with no visa problems because she had a Resident Card and now A british Passport.

 tiphat

last experience with OVIR in UFA. What happened there then!
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 19, 2018, 03:53:03 PM
last experience with OVIR in UFA. What happened there then!

When I visited the Visa Office in London, my wife had to come with me to make an invitation....

"I Mrs Wiz, Address, invite my Husband Mr Wiz, Address, to visit me in OUR  house...... etc" :rolleye0009: :sick0012:

We were given a new Landing Card (Similar to the British) to use. I used my PC to fill it and overprint so No mistakes..... (I already had a copy of the old Version with the tiny letter printed) so.... when we arrived in Moscow....I gave our New Landing card..... officer look at them and called a supervisor....... who told him that it's  correct, so he stamped them.

In UFA the OVIR office was a couple of tram stops down the road....so we went there next day, on the way to the shopping centre.....and found out that the office had moved to the other side of the town.

Mrs Wiz called OVIR to find details and was told the office will be open next day.

Next day around 11am got a taxi and went there....... and found the offices closed....wife spoke to a policeman on the door.....who asked her to give him the passport and landing card... went inside checked.... and came out to tell my wife that the Landing card was not the correct one. He told her to go to the airport and ask for an old  blank one... and come back. Wife pointed out the Moscow Stamp on the Card..... No good.

By then I got very angry, asked my passport back....and card, (took his number) and told my wife let's go and he can F...off, in English and walked to our Taxi.

Typical Russian woman.....continued asking him questions but never crossed her mind that he was after a bribe, something that I have never done in my life and told her later.

He told  her.... comeback with the blank card,,,, tomorrow without the Anglichiani......... I NEVER went back.... and in Moscow I had no problem whatsoever. Obviously they are used to this behaviour, as I did not offer any bribe i UFA!

To be honest I told her I will not go back to Ufa because too much hassle and money, and I think it's better having own time with mama, family and friends. Never bothered learning good Russian.....so never went back. Now you know.

 tiphat



Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Annushka on July 19, 2018, 10:30:12 PM
last experience with OVIR in UFA. What happened there then!

When I visited the Visa Office in London, my wife had to come with me to make an invitation....

"I Mrs Wiz, Address, invite my Husband Mr Wiz, Address, to visit me in OUR  house...... etc" :rolleye0009: :sick0012:

We were given a new Landing Card (Similar to the British) to use. I used my PC to fill it and overprint so No mistakes..... (I already had a copy of the old Version with the tiny letter printed) so.... when we arrived in Moscow....I gave our New Landing card..... officer look at them and called a supervisor....... who told him that it's  correct, so he stamped them.

In UFA the OVIR office was a couple of tram stops down the road....so we went there next day, on the way to the shopping centre.....and found out that the office had moved to the other side of the town.

Mrs Wiz called OVIR to find details and was told the office will be open next day.

Next day around 11am got a taxi and went there....... and found the offices closed....wife spoke to a policeman on the door.....who asked her to give him the passport and landing card... went inside checked.... and came out to tell my wife that the Landing card was not the correct one. He told her to go to the airport and ask for an old  blank one... and come back. Wife pointed out the Moscow Stamp on the Card..... No good.

By then I got very angry, asked my passport back....and card, (took his number) and told my wife let's go and he can F...off, in English and walked to our Taxi.

Typical Russian woman.....continued asking him questions but never crossed her mind that he was after a bribe, something that I have never done in my life and told her later.

He told  her.... comeback with the blank card,,,, tomorrow without the Anglichiani......... I NEVER went back.... and in Moscow I had no problem whatsoever. Obviously they are used to this behaviour, as I did not offer any bribe i UFA!

To be honest I told her I will not go back to Ufa because too much hassle and money, and I think it's better having own time with mama, family and friends. Never bothered learning good Russian.....so never went back. Now you know.

 tiphat

Wow! How much passion!
In accordance with the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, the OVIR has the right to rest. Sunday and Monday. The security agency has nothing to do with OVIR. Your lady did not know? The guard does not have the right to take your documents! What kind of bribe are you talking about? Why do not you go to the Post and make a telegram to the OVIR on registration? Saving money?
By the way, nature is posh in UFA!

(https://pp.userapi.com/c846021/v846021853/96a92/A9LxaxQXH_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on July 20, 2018, 12:48:07 AM
Wiz,

The OVIR haven't existed for years - such matters can be handled - in minutes - at the Post Office in Sochi - or at the FMS 

Currently, there is a special regime in place that means even RUSSIANS need to register if the arrive in a city that has hosted a World Cup game and they stay 72 hours or more - finishes two weeks after the tournament is over. One has to go to the FMS and processing of international passports has all but ceased - due to the demand - causing stress to those who wanted to go abroad for a holiday

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 20, 2018, 03:19:25 AM

Wow! How much passion!
In accordance with the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, the OVIR has the right to rest. Sunday and Monday. The security agency has nothing to do with OVIR. Your lady did not know? The guard does not have the right to take your documents! What kind of bribe are you talking about? Why do not you go to the Post and make a telegram to the OVIR on registration? Saving money?
By the way, nature is posh in UFA!

Dear Annushka

I am sorry but you appear to be unaware of what actually was/is going on in your country, like most Russian women who meet foreign men.

I have been in the travel business for over 35 years and have travelled in almost every country in Europe, USA and Canada. I was born in Greece, where corruption is wide spread in many levels and the same applies in your country too. In every country you will find corruption in various levels and in some countries, like UK, it's more sophisticated than others. In Russia low level corruption is mostly what I have experienced during my travels. Your dictionary has over 15000 words originated from the Greek vocabulary so I understand quite a lot, despite that I cannot speak speak the language.

For your information, in almost every European country there is not a requirement for registration, by tourist visitors with the police, expect in certain long term stay periods, neither to have a propiska.

Outside of any OVIR and many other Government offices they have a sign regarding opening days/hours of work and it's not difficult to understand it. AS you say Sundays and Mondays are closed..... and learned that from my first visit to Russia.

When we visited the OVIR office it was wednesday.... and my wife called the day before to make sure they are open. The officer why "tried" to help it was clear that he was after a small bribe... and if I had put inside my passport 300 -500 Rubles, I would have had my landing card stamped.  :nod:

While I am writing this message, I noticed Moby posted a message and to make sure he has a reply here is my first OVIR learning experience.

Before meeting my wife, I was dating another woman, a doctor in Sterlitamak and he knows which one I am talking about!. No need for names and that was back in 2006.

When I first arrived, we prepared all forms (in English) and next day we went around from many offices etc until finally she learned where we should go to register... but it was closed.

Next day she had to go to work and she was coming back after 2.pm. I had nothing to do so I decided to visit the place, 2 tram stops down, thinking that as they are the Aliens department... must speak English and went to OVIR. A nice policeman on the door showed me where to go and when my turn come I went into the office.

A nice young lady realised I was a foreigner, spoke to me in English.... and told me that the form must be filled in Russian, she got out of her desk, I followed her, got to a window and got a new form for 20 Kopicas and then she took me to another office, asked a lady to complete the form for me and when she finished I went back to her office. She checked the form, put some stamp and told me to go around to the boss's  office, who "speak English"....... to sign it!

Many people were waiting but I was cheeky and went at the front of the queue, right at the door. When he finished he called me in..... and to my surprise he asked me to sit down on a chair next to his office. He asked me a few questions.... for the purpose of my visit.... and then signed the form. Typical Greek, I went round the corner and bought 2 boxes of chocolates......and gave it to the 2 ladies they had helped me with a lot of Spaciba  ;D

After that every time I visited her again (6 times) .... I always went on my own!
and became friendly with the Boss, Alexei...... who I met again in UFA later.

When back home I used my PC, installed the Russian alphabet and using the Acrobat made PDF forms and print them in advance.

Moby those years they just had started the Post office registration, tried once, no English, peeved off and went back to OVIR. My last visit to Russia was in 2010 and you know the rest.

On the Tuesday 10 June 2007, I arrived to UFA to get married to Hanna on Saturday the 14 of June. On the way to Hanna's home I asked my taxidriver Ivan to take me to the local OVIR office. Passport and unsigned form in had, went in and Cheeky as usual, went to the front of the queue, where to my surprise..... Alexei was there.......I said hello and told him I am back to get married...he said something in Russian and a blond girl opened another window. Took all papers and pointed to me that the form was unsigned ... so cheeky I signed it!.... she took the papers to Alexei... he signed them, probably told her get rid of him....as the queue waiting was too long, so I arrived home, with all papers ready. Hanna was very surprised.... but kept my mouth shut how did I do it!

I never bought anything for or paid bribe to Alexei......it appears he was a well travelled person and very gentleman and friendly.

MOBY: As a frequent traveller abroad and to Sochi do you think if the Russians make visa free or on arrival, will benefit the whole Russia immensely?

What it's your take?

Watching this video... I don't think they have nice sandy beaches in the Black sea!




PS: Looking at the right of the screen this one looks out of all proportions and speak English !...... must be well travelled! 

Read her profile.....
Quote
I'm an unusual girl, I'll tell you right away. I'm not a calm harbor. With me you'll be like on a roller coaster, I'll keep you toned and you'll feel the taste of life, I'll fill your life with all sorts of colors. Believe I'm the girl with a surprise and I have something to surprise you.
http://loveme.com/mp/info12.htm

:ROFL:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on July 20, 2018, 06:12:14 AM
1/ OVIR hasn't existed for YEARS

2/ You can go to the post office and do want you need in minutes

Hmm - guess who's not been to Russia in a while
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Annushka on July 20, 2018, 07:17:41 AM
Wiz,
A week ago, I was at the Main Office for Migration Issues, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. I make my new foreign passport. I was on the record on the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Without any bribes!
In Russia, everyone cherishes their workplace! No one will risk being out of work for 300-500 rubles! I know this from within the supervisory bodies. I have more than 10 years of experience in the Sanitary and Environmental Inspections.
But I will not argue with you. I appreciate my personal time. tiphat
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 20, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
1/ OVIR hasn't existed for YEARS

2/ You can go to the post office and do want you need in minutes

Hmm - guess who's not been to Russia in a while

Have you forgot your glasses?

Read more carefully and use your memory.............and water the flowers more often!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 20, 2018, 08:21:53 AM
Wiz,
A week ago, I was at the Main Office for Migration Issues, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. I make my new foreign passport. I was on the record on the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Without any bribes!
In Russia, everyone cherishes their workplace! No one will risk being out of work for 300-500 rubles! I know this from within the supervisory bodies. I have more than 10 years of experience in the Sanitary and Environmental Inspections.
But I will not argue with you. I appreciate my personal time. tiphat

Dear Annoushka

Today is 2018 and not 2004, when I first visited Russia.

You forgot that I have a Russian woman in my house and I get the same comments until I remind her of certain episodes. If you wish.... when I finish writing the letter to your President... I can start telling you various episodes........ smelling of Bribes. I paid NONE and never put Russia down but I will not stop telling the truth for what happened to me during my visits there.

Long time ago I wrote: If I have to choose between USA and Russia.... I said, give me Russia any time! That is not because I am married to a Baskiria woman. It is because Russian mentality is close to the Greek one and I felt comfortable living there.

 tiphat

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Confederate on July 20, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Wiz,

I probably would have paid the 300 to 500 ruble bribe to the officer in Ufa. It’s called “the path of least resistance”. They aren’t paid very much and for all you know he really needed the money. Think of it like a tip when you go out to a nice restaurant in the U.K.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Gipsy on July 20, 2018, 11:41:59 AM
Wiz,

The OVIR haven't existed for years - such matters can be handled - in minutes - at the Post Office in Sochi - or at the FMS 

Currently, there is a special regime in place that means even RUSSIANS need to register if the arrive in a city that has hosted a World Cup game and they stay 72 hours or more - finishes two weeks after the tournament is over. One has to go to the FMS and processing of international passports has all but ceased - due to the demand - causing stress to those who wanted to go abroad for a holiday


Utter bollox on both counts.....
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 01:52:45 AM



Utter bollox on both counts.....

I 'see' ... and you have DIRECT experience of such matters ?

1/ We had guests in our apartments and it was OUR duty to register them if staying over 72 hours - even if Russian citizens from out of town

https://www.airbnbhell.com/airbnb-policy-violations-by-hosts-in-russia/ (https://www.airbnbhell.com/airbnb-policy-violations-by-hosts-in-russia/)  -this article is incorrect in that Russians from another city had to register, too

2/ Father Sergey and Roman ( friends of mine )  have BOTH applied for international passports - to visit us in Cyprus - and were told that due to the exceptional regime in place for host cities - til July 25th )  the normal 30 day processing period was suspended

I'm REALLY surprised you did not know this





Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Gipsy on July 21, 2018, 01:28:57 PM
I 'see' ... and you have DIRECT experience of such matters ?


Yes

1/ We had guests in our apartments and it was OUR duty to register them if staying over 72 hours - even if Russian citizens from out of town

https://www.airbnbhell.com/airbnb-policy-violations-by-hosts-in-russia/ (https://www.airbnbhell.com/airbnb-policy-violations-by-hosts-in-russia/)  -this article is incorrect in that Russians from another city had to register, too

There was, and is no requirement for Russian citizens to register within any such short period when visiting other cities for the world cup games no matter how long they stayed....We stayed in several cities for over your stated time period/ limit during the footy and I was the only one who the hotels registered....


2/ Father Sergey and Roman ( friends of mine )  have BOTH applied for international passports - to visit us in Cyprus - and were told that due to the exceptional regime in place for host cities - til July 25th )  the normal 30 day processing period was suspended

A very good friend/poker partner/player who is in an extremely senior position in one of the host cities, laughed at this when I asked him, and 2 weeks ago, I was in our local UFMS/Ovir/ or whatever you wish to name it, and the queue for passports was moving along at quiet a good speed.....so your friends have been flummoxed somewhat...

I'm REALLY surprised you did not know this


One would hope that you have he correct documentation to allow you to rent out your (read her) apartments, and that you (read her) are declaring this additional income in her annual Russian tax returns...


One could also ask as to how, your other half, can register guests in her apartment when she is out of the country...
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:40:13 PM

I 'see' ... and you have DIRECT experience of such matters ?


Yes

So, you weren't the host and wouldn't KNOW ..

Here's a link to the English version of the law that expires of the 25th July

It applies to RUSSIAN citizens, too


http://www.russiaknowledge.com/2018/05/16/registration-in-russia-for-all-football-fans-coming-to-the-world-cup/ (http://www.russiaknowledge.com/2018/05/16/registration-in-russia-for-all-football-fans-coming-to-the-world-cup/)

So, if you stayed more than 72 hours in a third city - with FEW exceptions - ALL people - foreigners or not - had to be registered



One would hope that you have he correct documentation to allow you to rent out your (read her) apartments, and that you (read her) are declaring this additional income in her annual Russian tax returns...

and paying the local tourist tax...  'thanks' Gypo - unlike you - we DO know the rules


One could also ask as to how, your other half, can register guests in her apartment when she is out of the country...

Knowing the rules - a Doverennost was filed with kind friend Sergey - but luckily - the max we had was 2 continuous nights - although we had a Peruvian family come back = twice - staying with friends - as we had Uruguayans booked



 

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on July 22, 2018, 06:14:10 AM
How interesting - you allow some of my posts through but seek to protect Gypo from his daftness - how VERY Soviet
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Manny on July 23, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
How interesting - you allow some of my posts through but seek to protect Gypo from his daftness - how VERY Soviet

Feel free to donate £500 to the forum and we can have your posts checked for sanity the same day.  :coffeeread:

Meanwhile, why are you trolling this topic with off topic stuff?
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 23, 2018, 03:05:34 PM
How interesting - you allow some of my posts through but seek to protect Gypo from his daftness - how VERY Soviet

Meanwhile, why are you trolling this topic with off topic stuff?

Old habits die hard!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Gipsy on July 30, 2018, 12:44:27 PM

I 'see' ... and you have DIRECT experience of such matters ?


Yes

So, you weren't the host and wouldn't KNOW ..

Here's a link to the English version of the law that expires of the 25th July

It applies to RUSSIAN citizens, too


http://www.russiaknowledge.com/2018/05/16/registration-in-russia-for-all-football-fans-coming-to-the-world-cup/ (http://www.russiaknowledge.com/2018/05/16/registration-in-russia-for-all-football-fans-coming-to-the-world-cup/)

So, if you stayed more than 72 hours in a third city - with FEW exceptions - ALL people - foreigners or not - had to be registered



One would hope that you have he correct documentation to allow you to rent out your (read her) apartments, and that you (read her) are declaring this additional income in her annual Russian tax returns...

and paying the local tourist tax...  'thanks' Gypo - unlike you - we DO know the rules


One could also ask as to how, your other half, can register guests in her apartment when she is out of the country...

Knowing the rules - a Doverennost was filed with kind friend Sergey - but luckily - the max we had was 2 continuous nights - although we had a Peruvian family come back = twice - staying with friends - as we had Uruguayans booked


oooopppsss, just seen this, typical Moby trying to get his"oneupmanship" by posting the presidents decree...


I'm surprised that our Moby didn't know that a presidential decree is below the federal laws, which in itself is below the federal constitution laws, and, IF the above laws relating to Russians registration were not suspended/set aside/changed (which they weren't), then the part of the presidential decree related to Russians registration would be against the law if implemented..

I see that you DO know the tax rules, though I would suggest that you have broken them several times in the past.

Regarding the taxes, I know about the tourist tax, I've paid it recently in Crimea and other places, my point was more about typical Russians renting out their apartments, especially in places like Sochi, holidaying abroad on the money, and NOT declaring the income or paying any of the taxes involved into the system like good little boys and girls should, I would suggest that they are all at it so to speak, but never mind, when Russia gets it hands on the database history of rentals within Russia from Airbnb and the like, people will pay all their back taxes rather quickly...( the Duma are currently engaged with this, and are proposing to change the law which currently stands at 3 years back taxes, to 7 years + a heavy fine)...

Rather dangerous giving anyone a power of attorney especially in Russia don't you think....


P.s. Do you also know that those who registered for the world cup tickets, are being invited to return to Russia for a further visit of up to 28days, multi entry, VISA FREE.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Gipsy on July 30, 2018, 12:46:57 PM
How interesting - you allow some of my posts through but seek to protect Gypo from his daftness - how VERY Soviet

ROFLMAO...

Gipsy need NO protection from rsoles such as you...  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Manny on July 31, 2018, 02:21:09 PM
P.s. Do you also know that those who registered for the world cup tickets, are being invited to return to Russia for a further visit of up to 28days, multi entry, VISA FREE.

It's a shame that football fans are valued higher (as a PR stunt) than folks with Russian citizen wives and children who are more likely to WANT to visit Russia and spend money there. So I with a Russian-born wife and dual-nationality daughter must buy a visa, but random football guy doesn't need one?

I am all over that one. I've prodded the ambassador on the forum Twitter (https://twitter.com/ruadventures/status/1024395534138793986) account and tagged the embassy, MFA and KremlinE. Lets see if he replies or offers to get the subject discussed. He is known as a good guy who does the right thing. If this is brought to his attention he will run with it perhaps. He now has a link to this topic from this point, so serious contributions on the subject are welcome. I'll remove trolling so please don't from here on in.

I will write to the Kremlin in September in Russian on this one too. It's about time they sorted this out. We were discussing this three years ago (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24478.msg411316.html#msg411316) but nothing changed except it got harder. I and many others have not been to Russia the last couple of years because of the silly visa regime. But random football guy gets in free? That's not fair.

There are many here with Russian wives, children and family members who have many previous Russian visas that it would behoove Russia to give five or ten year multi entry visas to. We are not interested in the hysterical fake news and Russophobia pedalled by our media. We'd just like to visit Russia easily and without having to jump through too many hoops. Especially when random football guy has zero hoops and a free visa.

I *want* to spend my money in Moscow or St Petersburg, but as I need a visa and my wife and daughter don't, we'll spend our money in Tallinn, Zagreb, Split, Prague or Riga instead.

Wouldn't it be nice to say to Wifey and dochka, "I've booked us the next bank holiday weekend in Moscow" rather than have to say to dochka "Yes, you and Mummy are OK to visit Russia whenever you want, but Daddy has no visa for Russia so we'll go to [insert European city of choice] instead". Why do I need to do biometrics when I've had multiple Russian visas in the past? Russia knows who I am. Why must I buy a visa when football guy gets in free?

If Russia doesn't want to change this aspect of their visa regime to people like us, my family and I are more than happy to spend our money in Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid, Rome, Vienna, Warsaw, Riga, Tallinn or Prague. None of us need a visa for those places.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Markje on July 31, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
Why do I need to do biometrics when I've had multiple Russian visas in the past? Russia knows who I am.
They're not consistent on this either. I can simply send my passport off to the RU-consolate in The Hague (visa center) by "insured" mail where I will take $2000 if it gets lost underway. Needless to say the postal service takes no chances for it to get lost & I get it back in perfect shape with a nice new visa inside. Just fill out the application, send my passport + requirements listed (can all be done online if you have a photo-printer that can print passport photos) and about 2-3 weeks later, I get it back and can visit the in-laws.

Mark.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on July 31, 2018, 04:38:57 PM
Anybody who has visited Russia or has looked photos and video’s, must be impressed with this large and beautiful country.

Having visited Russia several times, so far, I feel very disappointed and in some ways very frustrated that the Russian Government is so blind and on the 21st century still has the siege mentality of the last century and the cold war. In my view it’s about time that Russia abolish the visa requirement unilaterally for most western countries and especially the members of the European Community.

I was hoping after this year’s experience and success with the FIFA World Cup that took place in Russia when thousand of fans from all over the world arrived there for a whole month, that they would see the benefits that tourism brings to any country, but alas, apart of a small good will gesture to the football fans, nothing serious change has happened and still we are back to the cold war mentality!

It’s obvious now that the security of the nation is not threatened by anyone visiting Russia because that type of business practiced by both, Russia, USA and the Western countries has moved to electronic means and the few individual incidents are plainly American and British Bullshit!

In my view it is wrong, a criminal extortion and backwards mentality towards Russia and the Russian people, by their Government that they still require Visas, invitation letters and also registration with OVIR, by all visitors who have to pay a lot of money to be allowed to visit Russia.

I think the Russian Government is afraid that by abolishing the Visa requirement and other documents, Tourism towards Russia will expand dramatically and its fear is that all these Western men will drain Russia out of their precious commodity, the beautiful Russian women.

Back in January 2009, I wrote a letter to the President of The Russian Federation D. Medvedev and copied over to the Russian Prime Minister, V. Putin, highlighting to them a problem that my self and other people in a similar position have to face and asked for their help to eliminate the problem we are facing each time we have to travel to Russia and also improve our family life!

“President of the Russian Federation ....... 14 January 2010
Ilinka Str, No 23
103132,
Moscow,
Russia.



Your Excellency

Happy New Year to you, your family and to all people in the Russian Federation.

I am writing to bring to your attention a big problem that affects my family and of course a few other families and I hope you will consider our plight and will offer your help in trying to resolve our problem.

I am a Greek citizen, living in the UK and I am married to a lady who is Russian National.

After our wedding in Russia, my wife applied under the European Directive 2004/38/EU and was granted a visa, FREE of any charges, by the British Consulate and came to join me in the UK. As a Greek citizen, I exercised my right under the same EU Directive for free movement in the European Economic Area and my wife was granted a Resident Card which gave her the right, not only to reside in the UK with entitlement to work freely but also to FREE National Health Care and other state benefits. Additionally her Resident Card allows her to travel to any European country that is a member of the European community without the need for a Schegen or any other type of Visa.

The Russian Federation in co-operation with the European community have streamlined and simplified the Visa requirements in 2007 for travel between our respective countries and reduced the financial cost but still that doesn’t not resolve the problem that my wife and I we have to face when we need to travel together to Russia.

My wife and I have a family, her 70 years old mother, who lives in Russia and obviously we support her financially to make her life comfortable. Unfortunately due to our current work situation we can’t visit her often but we try to do it as often as we can.

The problem we are faced is that I (personally) cannot travel at a moments notice in an emergency situation, regarding her old mother to support my wife with my presence there because I am required to have a visa to travel to Russian Federation. I am sure you do realise that how ever fast can be the service provided by the staff at the Russian Consulate in London and as we live outside and away from London, I still need a few days before I receive my visa.

Under these circumstances, I would like to ask for your help to resolve this problem. I am sure with a good will on the part of your Government a solution can be found and the Russian Federation could facilitate and offer to me the same benefit and freedom of movement when I need to make a family visit Russia, especially in an emergency situation without the need of a Visa. By doing so you will be reciprocating the same Conditions afforded and as provided by the EU to my wife, a Russian National.

Having followed in the press the efforts of your Government to normalise relations with the European Community to reach to an agreement for Free travel between our respective parties, it is my view that the Russian Government by offering a solution to my problem, which affects also a small number of other people too, in the EU countries, it would be another opportunity for your Government to demonstrate to the EU its willingness and efforts for a fair solution to the current stumbling block, which stops Russian citizens travelling freely to the EU countries.

Thank you for your time and I hope my request will receive your attention and consideration.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Your sincerely”


I received two letters and a telephone call from teh Embassy... but nothing, as you know, came out of it! :(


Well as I posted in my first post on this thread, Russia now has the opportunity to score a huge propaganda “Goal” against all the foes that spread Fake news and propaganda against the country. If they can do it for the football fans I am sure they can do it for all European Nationals too.

Having spent billions for football grounds and large projects of infrastructures I think it’s time to take advantage of their efforts and reap the benefits of large tourist arrivals, thus not only gaining additional revenue stream exporting Tourism but also creating 1000’s of new jobs too.

Actually the other day I was watching a program at channel 24 live from Moscow, and Vladimir Zhirinovsky was proposing the same too.

Let’s hope that the President will consider our proposition and he will make the last move on this Chess game of upmanship….. remove the Visa Requirement and win the Match.

Finally I think, it is a big mistake and embarrassment for Russia to receive the same number of tourists like my small country of Birth, Greece.

 tiphat



Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: leslied on July 31, 2018, 05:06:28 PM
If Russia doesn't want to change this aspect of their visa regime to people like us, my family and I are more than happy to spend our money in Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid, Rome, Vienna, Warsaw, Riga, Tallinn or Prague. None of us need a visa for those places.

I had planned to visit Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer.  I wanted my daughters to experience their cultural heritage.  Both speak fluent Russian but have UK passports.  I inquired about a tourist visa.  We would have to trash any arranged accommodation as we plan to visit and stay with friends.  A personal invite visa is such an administrative rigmarole that none of our friends would support it. Still, I was OK with that.  It was the details required for the visa application that made me cancel our plans.  It would be simple enough for my wife and daughters but practically impossible for me.  I travel extensively on business and have more than one passport.  Providing the level of detail required would be very difficult and if I did so I would probably have my application declined...

So we visited Prague and Budapest this summer and the thousands of dollars spent went to their economies.  This is Russia's loss.  The next visit to Russia will just be my wife and daughters. Until the visa rules change I am not going to bother applying for a visa.
 
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on July 31, 2018, 05:11:54 PM
P.s. Do you also know that those who registered for the world cup tickets, are being invited to return to Russia for a further visit of up to 28days, multi entry, VISA FREE.

It's a shame that football fans are valued higher (as a PR stunt) than folks with Russian citizen wives and children who are more likely to WANT to visit Russia and spend money there. So I with a Russian-born wife and dual-nationality daughter must buy a visa, but random football guy doesn't need one?

I am all over that one. I've prodded the ambassador on the forum Twitter (https://twitter.com/ruadventures/status/1024395534138793986) account and tagged the embassy, MFA and KremlinE. Lets see if he replies or offers to get the subject discussed. He is known as a good guy who does the right thing. If this is brought to his attention he will run with it perhaps. He now has a link to this topic from this point, so serious contributions on the subject are welcome. I'll remove trolling so please don't from here on in.

I will write to the Kremlin in September in Russian on this one too. It's about time they sorted this out. We were discussing this three years ago (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24478.msg411316.html#msg411316) but nothing changed except it got harder. I and many others have not been to Russia the last couple of years because of the silly visa regime. But random football guy gets in free? That's not fair.

There are many here with Russian wives, children and family members who have many previous Russian visas that it would behoove Russia to give five or ten year multi entry visas to. We are not interested in the hysterical fake news and Russophobia pedalled by our media. We'd just like to visit Russia easily and without having to jump through too many hoops. Especially when random football guy has zero hoops and a free visa.

I *want* to spend my money in Moscow or St Petersburg, but as I need a visa and my wife and daughter don't, we'll spend our money in Tallinn, Zagreb, Split, Prague or Riga instead.

Wouldn't it be nice to say to Wifey and dochka, "I've booked us the next bank holiday weekend in Moscow" rather than have to say to dochka "Yes, you and Mummy are OK to visit Russia whenever you want, but Daddy has no visa for Russia so we'll go to [insert European city of choice] instead". Why do I need to do biometrics when I've had multiple Russian visas in the past? Russia knows who I am. Why must I buy a visa when football guy gets in free?

If Russia doesn't want to change this aspect of their visa regime to people like us, my family and I are more than happy to spend our money in Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid, Rome, Vienna, Warsaw, Riga, Tallinn or Prague. None of us need a visa for those places.

Yeah but your a British citizen ? And the British government do jack **** for Russians wanting a visa or help in any way..

So why should Russia , even if your married to a Russian?

Some people have principles ..and fair play to them when they do..

I 100% agree with reciprocity .
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Gipsy on July 31, 2018, 11:53:38 PM
P.s. Do you also know that those who registered for the world cup tickets, are being invited to return to Russia for a further visit of up to 28days, multi entry, VISA FREE.

It's a shame that football fans are valued higher (as a PR stunt) than folks with Russian citizen wives and children who are more likely to WANT to visit Russia and spend money there. So I with a Russian-born wife and dual-nationality daughter must buy a visa, but random football guy doesn't need one?

I am all over that one. I've prodded the ambassador on the forum Twitter (https://twitter.com/ruadventures/status/1024395534138793986) account and tagged the embassy, MFA and KremlinE. Lets see if he replies or offers to get the subject discussed. He is known as a good guy who does the right thing. If this is brought to his attention he will run with it perhaps. He now has a link to this topic from this point, so serious contributions on the subject are welcome. I'll remove trolling so please don't from here on in.

I will write to the Kremlin in September in Russian on this one too. It's about time they sorted this out. We were discussing this three years ago (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24478.msg411316.html#msg411316) but nothing changed except it got harder. I and many others have not been to Russia the last couple of years because of the silly visa regime. But random football guy gets in free? That's not fair.

There are many here with Russian wives, children and family members who have many previous Russian visas that it would behoove Russia to give five or ten year multi entry visas to. We are not interested in the hysterical fake news and Russophobia pedalled by our media. We'd just like to visit Russia easily and without having to jump through too many hoops. Especially when random football guy has zero hoops and a free visa.

I *want* to spend my money in Moscow or St Petersburg, but as I need a visa and my wife and daughter don't, we'll spend our money in Tallinn, Zagreb, Split, Prague or Riga instead.

Wouldn't it be nice to say to Wifey and dochka, "I've booked us the next bank holiday weekend in Moscow" rather than have to say to dochka "Yes, you and Mummy are OK to visit Russia whenever you want, but Daddy has no visa for Russia so we'll go to [insert European city of choice] instead". Why do I need to do biometrics when I've had multiple Russian visas in the past? Russia knows who I am. Why must I buy a visa when football guy gets in free?

If Russia doesn't want to change this aspect of their visa regime to people like us, my family and I are more than happy to spend our money in Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid, Rome, Vienna, Warsaw, Riga, Tallinn or Prague. None of us need a visa for those places.

What is fair in this world??

I see this visa offer as a forward move which I hope continues and opens up to cover more potential visitors.

You do know of course that the Russian Govt offered both the UK and the EU complete visa free travel in return for the same from them, and THEY refused, stating that they would then have NO control in stopping criminals/gangsters/mafia/illegal immigrants from entering their respective areas.... that's a real laugh isn't it...

I agree with you, and always have, that Uk partners of Russian ladies should be able to receive some form of visa with would allow better access to the country and their extended families, there was even talk of a 5 yr m/e visa for said persons, which I think is still available, but it seems that only the Dutch can apply for one at this time...

I also think that the reciprocal agreement between the US and Russia whereby each person can receive a 3 yr m/e visa is unfair to other countries.



Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2018, 01:15:29 AM
Wiz, don!t you still have your Greek passport?

The likes of Markje and I can use our non EU passports and no meed to even visit the Russians to have our finger prints scanned ...

EASY...
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2018, 01:17:02 AM
thank should read EU passports ( excluding British..for whom one must write a historical novel)
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 01, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Wiz, don!t you still have your Greek passport?

The likes of Markje and I can use our non EU passports and no meed to even visit the Russians to have our finger prints scanned ...

EASY...

Moby

As you very well know I do have my Greek Passport and also a British one too.

Additionally I have a Greek ID card and I can travel with it in any EU country too.

The russians visiting Greece need to have a Shegen Visa and also the Greeks need a Russian visa too and can apply by post, in both cases.

So what it's your point you try to make?

Have you not read my letter to the Russian PM, obviously you have missed the point I made to him?

What can I do in case of an emergency with Baboushka?

You already know, that since 2009, I have pursuit every angle and possibility and you have participated on the thread, " Abolishing the Visa requirement for Russia" on my "Hobby board" with 104 posts.

Actually you post was the last one?



Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2018, 10:23:59 PM
My point is WHY are you 'byaching' when you can EASILY get an RU visa on your Greek passport.


2/ and why aren't you going to Russia?  You aren't being honest with us as you have previously posted that you will not go BECAUSE of the 'hassle' of getting a Visa and registering it when there...

If you eere still going, you would know it is easy..

It is amazing how many 'Rusophiles' post topics about a place they no longer visit.

Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on August 04, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
Surely there is a very simple solution really to the visa issue? If you don't want a few problems in your life marry someone from your own country?

Life is always full of problems either accept it and solve it or stop moaning?
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 04, 2018, 06:03:24 PM
My point is WHY are you 'byaching' when you can EASILY get an RU visa on your Greek passport.


2/ and why aren't you going to Russia?  You aren't being honest with us as you have previously posted that you will not go BECAUSE of the 'hassle' of getting a Visa and registering it when there...

If you eere still going, you would know it is easy..

It is amazing how many 'Rusophiles' post topics about a place they no longer visit.

I will make it easy for you to understand.

I only use my British passport, which is valid until 2024,  because I have not and will not renew the Greek one which costs an arm and a leg and a month waiting to renew it ONLY for 5 years. Everything now go to Athens........ so what is the point to renew it?

If I need to travel to Greece I use the British or can use my ID card. Hanna has her British until the 2024....... so you must understand the reasons. Why spent unnecessary money when we can travel in most countries on the world?

Hanna is working and in case of an emergency, I can't travel with her, without a visa, which takes a lot of hassle, cost and we must travel to London TOGETHER and wait for at least 10 days.

I have travelled over 20 times.... in the RF and Ukraine so I have no more interest to go there. I rather spent my money visiting new places.

I hope I made myself clear.

 tiphat


STEVE

In my original post on this thread I made clear the reasons why I continue to support the idea of no visa for Russia.

I am sure you must realise the immense number of benefits for the country!

That is what my travel experience has taught me.

 tiphat


Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2018, 08:12:50 PM
Wiz, The more I ponder visa free travel the more uncomfortable it becomes for me. I can understand the point Leslie makes, but the loss of tourist funds to dubious 'tourists' seems low.

Both the United Staes and Russia have strong visa regimes. Yes it is inconvenient for Moby and you, on one side it seems Moby wants to scam the system and Wiz you seem to be lazy. I understand you are married to a Russian national, but still it is no excuse for lacking a visa in one of your passports. Yes it is discriminatory but I do not think life is fair. I suspect such as Wiz and Leslie are caught in some nether world with spouses and offspring. This is where consular officials should be able to assist.

The US and Russian have avoided to a degree the mayhem of say Italy, France or Spain. Both V. Putin and D. Trump do not wish to see undesirables at there gates. So a visa is a line of defense, perfect no, but better than nothing.   
         
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 05, 2018, 10:53:14 AM
AvHdB or Lion (what is your real name?)…… today is your lucky day!

I ask you the question because as you must have noticed, some of us here are not afraid to show our face and disclose our real names….. You never did!

I asked this question because clearly you are not showing your face and name to the world and prefer to live in anonymity and the shadows of the internet, to cover your purpose and presence because….. you know … !

GAME .... SET....and .... MATCH

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In my first letter to the president of the RF, I simply asked him to try and make our Visa application simpler and he could do it, if he wanted, to include us to the category of business, priests etc and issue us, married to a Russian woman, a 5 year multi entry visa and I am sure we all would be happy to pay a decent fee.

When you book a flight, you have to provide details of your Passport etc to get your boarding card.

As you must know by now the Russian Security services are co-operating with the Schengen visa police department. All airlines are obligated to submit passengers list to the police, 24 hours before the flight takes off, to the arrival destination.

The Russian security is well computerised and checks all coming passengers……and that is why all the Hooligan fans were not allowed to travel to Russia, in Co-Operation with the British Police from the UK.

Do you remember the Russian plane that was downed down over Sinai? Who do you think informed Putin next day? PM Cameron and that is why the Russian didn’t go and bombed Al Quinta in Sinai and left the Jews to deal with it! And they did.

The US has strong visa regime ….  that is why most illegals come through Canada and Mexico on the other hand the 5 Anglo-Zionist sisters with their satellites know when Putin goes to the toilet but don’t know what he is thinking or has in his brain. Did you hear something interesting, you didn’t already knew, coming out of Trumps mouth, or Putin’s after their private meeting? Trump already knew about the Chip on the present from Putin!

I think I have explained well to Moby my personal reason but removing the Visa requirement for Tourists….. just think of the amount of interest from Europeans to visit Russia and the benefits to their economy, jobs etc.

Listen, the illegal immigration to Italy, Greece, Spain etc…. don’t arrive by aeroplanes but with dingies, thanks to F .. Germans and Merkel.

If Putin remove the visa requirement for Europeans, excluding as usual the UK and USA, and allow charter flights to holiday resorts……. then you will see the tourist arrivals from around 30 million to go double and more in a couple of years and the Russia will run to build more hotels and infrastructure…….and I am sure with the new revenue stream… he can improved the standard of living there much easier.

Greece in the 60’s remove the visa requirement for all Europeans and today receive 30 million visitors. If it wasn’t for this export income… Greece would have completely disappeared of the world map.

Before you answer…. Think carefully what I said and don’t rush.

Putin has already won the Game, with his letter to NYT and the removal of the Syrian Chemicals, then won the Set with his support for Syria and Iran, the US is moving out of Syria…… and Now all he has to do is to remove cleverly the visa requirement, Match and start taking the piss of USA and the UK………that Russia is more Democratic country than those two and NetaYahoo already play safe with him in Syria..

Give it a thought!
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Markje on August 05, 2018, 11:06:39 AM
If Putin remove the visa requirement for Europeans, excluding as usual the UK and USA, and allow charter flights to holiday resorts……. then you will see the tourist arrivals from around 30 million to go double and more in a couple of years and the Russia will run to build more hotels and infrastructure…….and I am sure with the new revenue stream… he can improved the standard of living there much easier.

Evpatoria and Crimea already expecting a huge increase in Tourism. 2 years ago they started building a huge number of 11-stories hotels along its beaches and all of them are full this year, full with tourists spending their money.

Simferopol likewise, has built a new huge international aeroport terminal. Lena was quite impressed when she arrived and could simply exit by a tube instead of stairs.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 05, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
If Putin remove the visa requirement for Europeans, excluding as usual the UK and USA, and allow charter flights to holiday resorts……. then you will see the tourist arrivals from around 30 million to go double and more in a couple of years and the Russia will run to build more hotels and infrastructure…….and I am sure with the new revenue stream… he can improved the standard of living there much easier.

Evpatoria and Crimea already expecting a huge increase in Tourism. 2 years ago they started building a huge number of 11-stories hotels along its beaches and all of them are full this year, full with tourists spending their money.

Simferopol likewise, has built a new huge international aeroport terminal. Lena was quite impressed when she arrived and could simply exit by a tube instead of stairs.

Mark

I was looking the new Simferopol airport the other day and I was impressed.....and I noticed that it has a vast number of internal flights in Russia, so I can imagine what would happen if they drop the visa requirement and permit charters to fly directly there!



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Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Markje on August 05, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
If Putin remove the visa requirement for Europeans, excluding as usual the UK and USA, and allow charter flights to holiday resorts……. then you will see the tourist arrivals from around 30 million to go double and more in a couple of years and the Russia will run to build more hotels and infrastructure…….and I am sure with the new revenue stream… he can improved the standard of living there much easier.

Evpatoria and Crimea already expecting a huge increase in Tourism. 2 years ago they started building a huge number of 11-stories hotels along its beaches and all of them are full this year, full with tourists spending their money.

Simferopol likewise, has built a new huge international aeroport terminal. Lena was quite impressed when she arrived and could simply exit by a tube instead of stairs.

Mark

I was looking the new Simferopol airport the other day and I was impressed.....and I noticed that it has a vast number of internal flights in Russia, so I can imagine what would happen if they drop the visa requirement and permit charters to fly directly there!



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Its not Russia/Simferopol's choice to keep international planes out of there.

Ukraine has closed Crimean airspace as a 'disputed zone' , and since Europe doesn't recognise Russia's authority, no european flight will go over Crimea or land there.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 05, 2018, 06:16:53 PM
Mark

I think that Russia wants to be completely ready, bridge etc, before start it's attack to reopen the skies again.

They can always threaten to close it's airspace to all planes overflying Russia to the far east and then will see what happens from the airlines.

Airlines also can join together with Russian ones who will fly the Russia Leg from sochi for example . Plenty of combinations......

But looks that Trump and Putin are cooking something......remember the Trump statements in Helsinki, about Crimea!

Something will happen...... the American's are looking for Government change in Ukraine as it is a failed state and are fed up supporting Porky!
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Texan77 on August 05, 2018, 08:17:30 PM
Dear Wiz,

Do you know what a failed state is???? If you did you would know that the Ukraine is not a failed state or ever close to it. Just more of your crap propaganda. 

The government maintains law and order. Roads are bring repaired and the people are earning enough to live on. Utilities work and daily life is pretty much normal. Busses run everyday and the government pay its employees. School in in session everyday during school days and the hospitals all work and caring for patients. Just incase you did not know most of this does not happen in a failed state.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on August 06, 2018, 05:13:57 AM
Dear Texan

A failed state is a political body that has disintegrated to a point where basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government no longer function properly (see also fragile state and state collapse). Likewise, when a nation weakens and its standard of living declines, it introduces the possibility of total governmental collapse. The Fund for Peace characterizes a failed state as having the following characteristics:
That is the Wiki definition of a failed state: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state)

Is Ukraine a failed state?

Four years have passed since the CIA organised and executed with the CIA employee, ]Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt (https://gr.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulate/athens/ambassador/)  and the minister Victoria Nulan, a Jew, assisted by the German Secret service too. This is a fact and Victoria Nulan has accepted openly that the USA had spent $5 billion dollars to achieve this aim. Remember “Fcuk the EU”?
 
The popular, so called, uprising in Kiev toppled the Legally elected Government of Viktor Yanukovych, a Russia-backed regime in Ukraine. The glory of that people’s power moment has faded, and Western supporters are losing patience with the government as corruption hampers efforts to jump-start the economy. The gross domestic product of the war-plagued country contracted 10.5 percent in 2015. Inflation reached 43 percent. On 10 Feb 2016. the International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde expressed concern “about Ukraine’s slow progress in improving governance and fighting corruption.” She said it would be hard to keep financing Ukraine in the absence of real change.

https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek  (https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek)

For your information 10 days a go we had a visitor from Kiev, staying in my house for 2 days……and I wish I had a recording of everything she told us. Ukraine has become a complete Mafia state and from what I have read lately, even Trump wants to stop lending the UKR money.

My wife and I were astonished with what she described to us and BTW she is a pensioner, Now her son has moved his business to Bulgaria and she spends more time there than in her flat in Kiev.

When it was the last time you visited your woman in Ukraine?

Now read this and learn: https://www.quora.com/Is-Ukraine-becoming-a-failed-state
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: AvHdB on August 06, 2018, 06:30:27 AM
For what it is worth rhetorically a number of years back I started a thread titled "Is Ukraine a Failed State".  It had a number of interesting observations from amongst others Halo and Andrewfi.

Using the metrics that Wiz and Texan describe than Ukraine is not a failed state. But it certainly is a fragile state.

My guess is what many overlook is the Ukraine people. Yes they have a greedy outward mentality to foreigners, but amongst themselves they are quite solid. Meaning they will help there neighbors and family. The greater problem is in fact not the people but rather the politicians who for the most part are communist in actions and dictators in mentality.

It is the politicians and 'leaders' who have failed the general population.
Title: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA
Post by: XaErepKninnylep on April 10, 2019, 04:07:13 AM
Hi Guys,
My tourist visa expires on the 7th September. As I will be in Turkey on that date can I apply for a new visa starting on the 8th September before I go on the 1st September?
Hope that makes sense
Regards
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on April 10, 2019, 04:24:08 AM
Demonstrates how long ago Wiz was in Russia...

FMS took over eons ago...
Title: Russian visas: time lapse...
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 10, 2019, 08:43:28 AM
Hi Guys,
My tourist visa expires on the 7th September.
As I will be in Turkey on that date can I apply for a new visa starting on the 8th September before I go on the 1st September?
Hope that makes sense
Regards
As a rule, you can not have at the same time two valid Russian visas. Shall you be leaving on the 1st of September, I recommend you to ask for the new visa starting from August 31. Then the remaining week of the actual visa will be cancelled without prejudice, and the new visa will issued.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on April 10, 2019, 09:52:26 AM
Hi Olga,

You got there first


In the 'old days' I had a biz visa due to expire on my UK passport and simply ordered a new one for the Irish one

Q:  I have been using my UK passport ... Will I be able to apply fro Cyprus  - where I am resident (one needs to prove residency - if applying outside one's 'home' nation' )  on my IRISH passport for a biz visa - not having had a biz visa on it for  over 5 years ?

Normally, RU likes to see a tourist visit first ?   Will it look at the passport or the person ?   I have always answered that I have two nationalities on any application and could highlight the past UK Visas

The application for a UK passport holder is akin to War and Peace, but an Irish passport holder application is 1 side of A4 ;)



Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Steveboy on April 15, 2019, 07:12:42 AM
Demonstrates how long ago Wiz was in Russia...

FMS took over eons ago...

I dont think most on the forum have been in Russia for the last decade or two , other than transit via Moscow for the night.. ;D
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
Ain't that the truth, Steveboy...?

When it is suggested...'none of your business'))
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Markje on April 15, 2019, 11:22:11 AM
Demonstrates how long ago Wiz was in Russia...

FMS took over eons ago...

I dont think most on the forum have been in Russia for the last decade or two , other than transit via Moscow for the night.. ;D

only true i you say Moscow = Russia.  I have been to russia at least 1ce a year since 2014.
Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Wiz on April 15, 2019, 06:52:52 PM
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Demonstrates how long ago Wiz was in Russia...

So what is the connection of your above statement with the subject we are discussing on this thread? Simply you have nothing serious comments to make......you are simply Trolling.

I have been working in the Travel industry for over 35 years......and most probably know more than you know, regarding the benefits from tourism.

I have visited Russia more than 20 times, lived there for over 8 months, married my wife in 2008 and we are still together. On another post you claim you are resident of Cyprus .... but then you spent a lot of time in the UK....... and before you make any comments about my life... better to take a good look on your own.

You are nothing more than a Fraudulent personality and you live like a Gipsy, because you have the habit to destroy every relationship in your life.

I wait and see how long it will last this one, if it does.

Now Back     (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/ontopic.jpg)

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Title: Re: Game Set and Match for RUSSIA by offering FREE VISA?
Post by: Guile on April 15, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
Ain't that the truth, Steveboy...?

When it is suggested...'none of your business'))

moby stop meddling in people's affairs.  You harass and stalk people and then pretend it's ok.  Like what you did to your ex-wife after she rejected you.

and you do it to all forum members.  dude you got mental issues, better get some Guinness and drown em out