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Title: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on July 13, 2018, 10:24:28 AM
Hello,
Sorry a new member with a question already.
My girlfriend has done the visit to Moscow with her son for her Visa application and all went well.
As it's quite an intimidating thing to do, we used an agent who has obviously done a good job so far.
I noticed on the application that they had only put her down for a one week stay in London as they stated that this is more acceptable.
Now my question/s
If her application is successful, should I only book her for a one week trip or can I go arrange for a 2 week trip which conflicts her Visa application.
After the 2 week trip I was intending for her to return home with empty suitcases and come back after a week for say 2 months?
I am very uncertain on how to work this, It might take a year for my bitter divorce to be settled so marrying may take a while.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on July 13, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
Once you have a visa for her , I presume a 6 month tourist visa she can stay pretty well as much as you want in that time. Though to be safe and on a first visa its best to stick to around about the time you indicated on your application. If you indicated for example a  7 day visit, you will have no problems if she stays on 14 days..

If its her first visa I wouldn't advice to make a  like a 10 day trip, she comes back then returns for aa  2 month stay!  2 weeks yes there would be no problem..

Just take it easy..

And remember after her first visit to the UK she may not even want to return again.. its not un normal..
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Mr strange on July 13, 2018, 01:46:06 PM
And why would she not want to stay much more in the UK Steve?
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Wiz on July 13, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Follow the advice of Steve and when she gets her visa..... then book her the tickets for Max of 2 weeks , for her first visit. Better to keep on the safe side and follow your request of 7 days....

MAKE SURE she has a Travel Insurance.

Later she can comeback...... and stay for longer period and that way you will create a good record.

Most people married to a Russian women have done that....... with almost no problems.


MR Strange:

She may not like it here in the UK.... for many reasons... starting with their relationship, place he lives and so many others. It is not unheard that women change their mind.

Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Manny on July 14, 2018, 11:41:47 AM
Is this a tourist visa?
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on July 15, 2018, 05:42:22 AM
And why would she not want to stay much more in the UK Steve?


Lots of Russians arrive in London expecting to see something different after a few surprises they decide NOT to return again.. and not just London..

Took the kids last Christmas.. they don't want to visit again..

Its not heaven for every one..

Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on July 15, 2018, 08:01:11 AM
An English visa is not an easy one to obtain. The advice is as far I understand of Steveboy in reply #1 is sound. I would follow it.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: andrewfi on July 18, 2018, 11:31:16 AM
I'd be taking it easy on the marriage plans if you ain't divorced yet. This one's likely to end up being a rebound thing. Bad news to get married and then discover that's the case.

I'd not be getting anyone's head messed up with ideas of getting married at this moment.

Yeah, I know that you asked about visas but this point rather stood out as begging to be mentioned.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on August 04, 2018, 12:28:27 AM
There is always another option..

The option most of those cheating buggers claiming social security , living on benefits and usually driving taxis .. :laugh:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/home-office-accused-failing-forced-marriage-victims-giving-220300315.html

Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on August 06, 2018, 12:32:12 AM
Thanks for the replies so far
I am currently in Russia and her visa has come through.
She has been given a 6 month multi entry and I have booked her and her son on the same flights back to the uk.
Questions
When we pass through customs, should we be seen as travelling together?
Could this lead to awkward questions from immigration?
If she is faced with awkward questions then I would be the one to help answer them so that would then raise why we were not traveling together.
Her visa which was done through an agency and differs in that she will be staying with me and not at the hotel as stated.
I am not trying to break any laws here or circumnavigate the system.
I am liscensed for firearms which means I am of good character
I part own 2 houses and have a rental apartment and money in the bank.
I am just terrified of screwing it up
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on August 06, 2018, 12:40:50 AM
Congratulations! First keeping on breathing, Russian women do not like blue guys*.

I have found traveling on American or Dutch documents the entry into the UK via Heathrow time consuming where as driving via the Chunnel or entry into City Airport easy.

Most Russian women are confident so perhaps let her go before you. But I would more carefully listen to the English posters and there opinions and thoughts.

In any event do not lie.

*Pun intended
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on August 06, 2018, 12:48:13 AM
Thanks for the replies so far
I am currently in Russia and her visa has come through.
She has been given a 6 month multi entry and I have booked her and her son on the same flights back to the uk.
Questions
When we pass through customs, should we be seen as travelling together?
Could this lead to awkward questions from immigration?
If she is faced with awkward questions then I would be the one to help answer them so that would then raise why we were not traveling together.
Her visa which was done through an agency and differs in that she will be staying with me and not at the hotel as stated.
I am not trying to break any laws here or circumnavigate the system.
I am liscensed for firearms which means I am of good character
I part own 2 houses and have a rental apartment and money in the bank.
I am just terrified of screwing it up
Thanks in advance

Now you have a visa I would not worry about it! There will be no problems at immigration ..

If you are all travelling together you can get fast track as a family/friends so they will go with you to the immigration officer as family/friends he will do all your passports together.

No they don't ask any awkward questions, they will just check her history and maybe ask some simple stuff like where are you staying and when do you plan to return..

There will be no problems ..
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: msmoby on August 06, 2018, 12:50:32 AM

When we pass through customs, should we be seen as travelling together?

THAT answer depends on the reasoning you employed to GET her the Visa


Her visa which was done through an agency and differs in that she will be staying with me and not at the hotel as stated.


Then stay out of the picture   Go through first and pray.

I am not trying to break any laws here or circumnavigate the system.

Unfortunately, that's what you ARE doing ...You have lied about the purpose of her visit and where she will stay - you SHOULD have been honest and said you were sponsoring her trip - as if she is actually staying with you - that's what is happening


I am liscensed for firearms which means I am of good character
I part own 2 houses and have a rental apartment and money in the bank.
I am just terrified of screwing it up
Thanks in advance

IMHO - you have screwed up, already .... 

What happens IF the person at passport control checks where they are supposed to be staying ...? 

Just make sure she has money in her pocket and IF she is cross-examined - she should fess up - quick  - and pray you get a sympathetic ear ...

You DO know that lying on such applications is a reason to refuse entry ?



Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on August 06, 2018, 12:58:01 AM
Thanks Steveboy much appreciate your time
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on August 06, 2018, 01:02:19 AM
Thanks Steveboy much appreciate your time

I have done it before several times , you will have no worries or problems..

There are no awkward questions to ask you or her! They just gave her a tourist visa, simple most they will ask is where is she staying and when is she leaving..

If you want to make other visas with no problems stick to the dates you indicated when she will leave .. after that its easy :)
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on September 21, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
Well we travelled back together and as per Steveboy we went through the Fast track lane and apart form a few minor questions at border control there was no issues.
She stayed for 3 weeks and went home for 2 weeks and is now back here with me for another 4 weeks.
Our relationship is good and we are looking forward to the future together.
After this 4 week trip, I am hoping to make the next trip even longer possibly till the end of the visa.
This now leads me to the next question, I am still legally married, can we apply for a fiance visa? I believe we would need to marry within 6 months and this might not be possible as the divorce could drag out a bit longer.
Can she apply for another tourist visa for a further 6 months and if so when can she apply?
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on September 21, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Well we travelled back together and as per Steveboy we went through the Fast track lane and apart form a few minor questions at border control there was no issues.
She stayed for 3 weeks and went home for 2 weeks and is now back here with me for another 4 weeks.
Our relationship is good and we are looking forward to the future together.
After this 4 week trip, I am hoping to make the next trip even longer possibly till the end of the visa.
This now leads me to the next question, I am still legally married, can we apply for a fiance visa? I believe we would need to marry within 6 months and this might not be possible as the divorce could drag out a bit longer.
Can she apply for another tourist visa for a further 6 months and if so when can she apply?
Thanks in advance

Still married?? Blimey thats crazy... how long does a divorce take I thought those sought of things are over in a matter of weeks ? Did you split up and a few months later decided you needed a Russian bride?

I don't think you will have any chance of getting a fiancee visa still being married maybe wrong.. and you are aware you need a certain income about 17,000 GBP I think or some thing like that, not much any way..

If I was you I would take it steady.. wait till your divorce is out of the way! Anything could happen.. maybe you will go back to your wife in the end!!  :laugh:

If you take it steady.. make another tourist visa and continue what your doing it will be lots less complicated than being half way through one divorce and at the time trying to import another wife..




Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: dcguyusa on September 21, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
For most state laws in the US, if you are just separated, you are still married.  Having sex with another person is considered adultery.  And getting engaged could result in bigamy charges leveled against you.  But you can become a strict Mormon or Arab sheik, then it would be alright.   :chuckle:

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you need a certain income about 17,000 GBP

Just that amount?  Approx. $25K USD.  That is McD and Wal-Mart type wages.  Imagine a stock clerk with a FSU spouse.   :evilgrin0002:

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If you take it steady.. make another tourist visa and continue what your doing it will be lots less complicated than being half way through one divorce and at the time trying to import another wife..

What can turn really ugly is when both spouses sue you for divorce.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: msmoby on September 22, 2018, 01:34:27 AM
@Colloc  Glad you got her in - you were lucky - but the UK immigration what out for folks who keep coming and wonder where the money comes from and WHERE they actually stay ;)

Please get divorced first... stick to General Visitor Visas - Tourist - until then ;)

 

@Steveboy - it's a but more... £18600 and more again if she already has a kid ..£22400

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/)

@dcguyusa As for 18K being 25K USD .. I wish ... March 2008 - perhaps ..


Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: SL0413 on September 22, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
In the US you need to state your current relationship status, single or divorced.  Being married is an automatic disqualification.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: sparky114 on September 23, 2018, 01:50:23 AM
 :rouble-smile:
In the US you need to state your current relationship status, single or divorced.  Being married is an automatic disqualification.

Thankfully we live in the land of the free  tiphat
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 23, 2018, 11:46:39 AM
:rouble-smile:
In the US you need to state your current relationship status, single or divorced.  Being married is an automatic disqualification.

Thankfully we live in the land of the free  tiphat
I wish that were true but we are not free at all. It’s all illusory.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on September 24, 2018, 01:30:19 AM
Well that went off topic rather quickly.
My question is when can we apply for another tourist visa?
For her most recent flight she flew into Edinburgh and on her immigration form stated that she was staying with me.
The only question they asked was whether I was a British citizen prior to stamping her passport.

I live in Scotland where an amicable divorce takes 12 months, a contested divorce takes 2 years and then goes before a sheriff to decide.
Being married for 18 years to a woman who has BPD I should have known that there was never going to be an amicable divorce even though she wanted it.

In spite of my ex's attempts to get me declared bankrupt I earn well in excess of the minimum earnings required.
There is more chance of hell freezing over before we could have a reconciliation

I was of the understanding that she can apply for an additional 6 month Visa, can this be done in the UK or does she have to go to the embassy in Moscow again?

Once again thanks for the constructive comments.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on September 24, 2018, 04:55:11 AM
Well that went off topic rather quickly.
My question is when can we apply for another tourist visa?
For her most recent flight she flew into Edinburgh and on her immigration form stated that she was staying with me.
The only question they asked was whether I was a British citizen prior to stamping her passport.

I live in Scotland where an amicable divorce takes 12 months, a contested divorce takes 2 years and then goes before a sheriff to decide.
Being married for 18 years to a woman who has BPD I should have known that there was never going to be an amicable divorce even though she wanted it.

In spite of my ex's attempts to get me declared bankrupt I earn well in excess of the minimum earnings required.
There is more chance of hell freezing over before we could have a reconciliation

I was of the understanding that she can apply for an additional 6 month Visa, can this be done in the UK or does she have to go to the embassy in Moscow again?

Once again thanks for the constructive comments.

She will need to go to Moscow...

But if your divorce takes a long time and for example she applies for her third visa (Tourist) you could probably get here 2 year visa.. if she behaves and doesn't abuse the next visa..

By abuse I mean she stays in the UK the full 6 months of her visa..
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on September 24, 2018, 04:57:04 AM
:rouble-smile:
In the US you need to state your current relationship status, single or divorced.  Being married is an automatic disqualification.

Thankfully we live in the land of the free  tiphat

Its only the land of the free if you keep your mouth shut, pay your taxes , take your 1.5 holidays a year , have 1.5 kids and do not ask to many questions..about the lot running the country :laugh:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: dcguyusa on September 24, 2018, 05:14:03 PM
@Colloc  Glad you got her in - you were lucky - but the UK immigration what out for folks who keep coming and wonder where the money comes from and WHERE they actually stay ;)

Please get divorced first... stick to General Visitor Visas - Tourist - until then ;)

 

@Steveboy - it's a but more... £18600 and more again if she already has a kid ..£22400

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/)

@dcguyusa As for 18K being 25K USD .. I wish ... March 2008 - perhaps ..

Oops. My mistake.  I seem to have past exchange rates "stuck" in my memory as the GBP has dropped in value.   :chuckle:  The exchange rate is now somewhat under $24K USD now.  But that is just a couple of thousand quid, so who really cares.   ;D :money:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on September 25, 2018, 04:50:39 AM
@Colloc  Glad you got her in - you were lucky - but the UK immigration what out for folks who keep coming and wonder where the money comes from and WHERE they actually stay ;)

Please get divorced first... stick to General Visitor Visas - Tourist - until then ;)

 

@Steveboy - it's a but more... £18600 and more again if she already has a kid ..£22400

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/visas-family-and-friends/getting-a-visa-for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/)

@dcguyusa As for 18K being 25K USD .. I wish ... March 2008 - perhaps ..

Oops. My mistake.  I seem to have past exchange rates "stuck" in my memory as the GBP has dropped in value.   :chuckle:  The exchange rate is now somewhat under $24K USD now.  But that is just a couple of thousand quid, so who really cares.   ;D :money:

Who really cares about anything? I don't.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 06:09:34 AM
Sorry but I am struggling to get my head around a few things.
You start a relationship with someone from another country outside the EU.
You very quickly realise that you are ideal for each other and would like to be together
As with any relationship you need time to get to know each other and only time will tell if your really are compatible.
The UK authorities don’t really recognise a relationship of less than 2 years and I can understand the logic in that, so with the current visa guidelines a visitor shouldn’t spend anymore than 50% of their 6 month visa in this country.
I am trying to work out what to do next, girlfriend will soon be coming up to the end of her latest visit.
This is her 2nd visit having previously been here for 3 weeks and now 4 weeks this time. So far she has spent 7 weeks with me, so how long should I plan for her next flights? I guess she only can stay another 6 weeks in the UK on her current visa?
She and her son are now totally dependent upon me as at my request she resigned from her job in order to spend time with me.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2018, 06:19:00 AM
Oooer, girl gotta sponsor!

Seriously, you really did this thing? You are paying her to be at your beck and call?

One way or another this is going to come back and bite you on the ass!

In my opinion, what you have done is wrong.

You have made a family dependent upon you and your good will. If the relationship fails, as most do as people get to know each other better, then the woman will have lost her lifeline in an economy where lifelines are not so common. Or, even if she knows that she does not want to be with you, she remains with you because she has no other choice. You just gotta slave!
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 06:56:10 AM
Andrew,
Kindly keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.
You have made a judgement based on so little information and contributed nothing pertaining to my question.
You have no understanding of our relationship or the background and support she has.
You have previously posted on this thread that I was on the rebound and that I would end up back with my wife.
In my opinion, your input is irrelevant and unless you have something to contribute, go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
I am sure that the moderators will manage this thread in their usual deft manner and so your input on my posting is not really necessary, but thanks for your consideration.

Have you considered the effects of paying this woman to be with you? Are those effects desired by you? And she?

And, yes, you are right, I only know that which you told us:
"She and her son are now totally dependent upon me as at my request she resigned from her job in order to spend time with me."

As a fellow native English speaker, I'd be eager to understand how your words were not congruent with the point I was making. If you have considered the effect of persuading this woman to give up her career and to rely upon you for everything she needs for herself and son, in material matters at the least then that's great and there's no reason for you to get bent out of shape about my comment because you have already considered the issue and managed it.

However, if you have not given this issue any thought then (1) you really should and (2) I have done no more than might be expected of a fellow poster on a public forum and alerted you to an issue that you had overlooked. and (3) as a public forum there are more readers than just you and I and those reading might be reminded to think of the implications of doing as you are doing and accounting for the issues in their own planning.

By the way, I think you were confused about whose posts you had been reading. I have never suggested that you will end up back with your wife. Are you yet divorced? I was pointing out that entering into a relationship with another woman before you were even divorced was likely to not be a long-term affair because that's what tends to happen. Now that you have reminded me of my earlier post I can only say WTF are you thinking! Binding a woman and her son to you when you are not even in a position to carry through with your goals and so soon after the end of a very significant relationship with all the emotional weight that entails.

So, I will happily keep irrelevant comments to myself and continue to post in a relevant manner, according to my own judgment and conscience.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
Collloc, Please take a deep breath and calm down. Andrew's post is typical of his posting style, get used to it. To help give a reasonable reply, a couple questions.

How old is the son?

Can you find employment elsewhere in the EU? Besides teaching English can you work in Ukraine?

Is your bride employable outside Ukraine?
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 07:19:47 AM
I'd be taking it easy on the marriage plans if you ain't divorced yet. This one's likely to end up being a rebound thing. Bad news to get married and then discover that's the case.

I'd not be getting anyone's head messed up with ideas of getting married at this moment.

Yeah, I know that you asked about visas but this point rather stood out as begging to be mentioned.

I rest my case and will not get involved in any further correspondence not pertaining to my question
I have been separated for over a year, I didn't realise there was a specific time frame I had to adhere to.
She can return at any time and is able to support herself in her own apartment and drive her own car
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 07:29:26 AM
Collloc, Please take a deep breath and calm down. Andrew's post is typical of his posting style, get used to it. To help give a reasonable reply, a couple questions.

How old is the son?

Can you find employment elsewhere in the EU? Besides teaching English can you work in Ukraine?

Is your bride employable outside Ukraine?


Hello,
The son has just turned 5, and yes I could work abroad.
I work in the Oil and Gas industry and there are opportunities within the EU also Baku.
Ideally we would like to stay in the UK and I can get the son into schooling. We have a fee paying international school nearby that would be ideal.

I have taken a deep breath but something that makes my blood boil is when you ask one question and the response is completely off topic.
If I ask someone what is the time, I don't need to know what the weather is!
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2018, 07:40:40 AM
OK, so English is not your native language. Thanks for clearing that up.
A couple of points; a rebound relationship is one that occurs, typically, immediately after the end of a previous significant relationship. Usually, such a relationship is not long term due to the emotional issues related to the breakup of the previous relationship. The term has no meaning associated with getting back together with the previous person (wife, girlfriend, whatever)

Secondly, when we use, in English, the term totally dependent as in "totally dependent upon me" it means that the person or animal being referred to is 100% reliant upon the writer (or speaker) for all aspects of their life. I had assumed that in the context you were mainly referring to financial affairs. Often in relationships, this is not considered to be an unalloyed benefit to the overall health of the relationship.

Stepping aside from the English lesson for a moment; it seems odd that she is not totally dependent upon you and yet, at the same time is not. A few years ago a bloke in a not dissimilar position to yourself insisted that he would be supporting the woman after they split up. Of course, they split up. I hope that your predecessor followed through upon his commitment.

No need to reply, I hope that I have been able to help you with the furtherance of your English as second language skills.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2018, 07:53:01 AM
Colloc, Lets us assume your are an OIM and not a 'roughneck' most likely you can find employment abroad and bring your spouse/bride and child with you. I would go for it, though your partner may not be happy living in Baku, a Muslim country.

But you are dodging the initial issue as far as I can see that you have not been granted a decree of divorce.

The comments that Andrew makes, especially regarding a 'rebound relationship' have merit and are worth considering.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: rosco on October 01, 2018, 09:46:15 AM
Andrew,
Kindly keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.
You have made a judgement based on so little information and contributed nothing pertaining to my question.
You have no understanding of our relationship or the background and support she has.
You have previously posted on this thread that I was on the rebound and that I would end up back with my wife.
In my opinion, your input is irrelevant and unless you have something to contribute, go elsewhere.

To be fair Colloc, I found Andrews comments to be completely relevant. You may not have enjoyed reading them but it is correct of him to point out the obvious, given what you posted.

We get to understand your relationship and situation from what you tell us but I'm guessing you only wanted answers to the visa questions and not the elephant in the corner?
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Rosco,
It's OK I have Andrew on ignore.
When I need relationship advice, I know where to avoid.

Yes my question was regarding the visa issue which to date no one has responded
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Gipsy on October 01, 2018, 09:52:21 AM
Sorry but I am struggling to get my head around a few things.
You start a relationship with someone from another country outside the EU.
You very quickly realise that you are ideal for each other and would like to be together
As with any relationship you need time to get to know each other and only time will tell if your really are compatible.
The UK authorities don’t really recognise a relationship of less than 2 years and I can understand the logic in that, so with the current visa guidelines a visitor shouldn’t spend anymore than 50% of their 6 month visa in this country.
I am trying to work out what to do next, girlfriend will soon be coming up to the end of her latest visit.
This is her 2nd visit having previously been here for 3 weeks and now 4 weeks this time. So far she has spent 7 weeks with me, so how long should I plan for her next flights? I guess she only can stay another 6 weeks in the UK on her current visa?
She and her son are now totally dependent upon me as at my request she resigned from her job in order to spend time with me.


When was that enforced??


She must return home to apply for the next visa.


What are her chances of getting another visa?


I believe that she must prove "Reason to return", which, without a job may cause her some difficulty..
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: rosco on October 01, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
So when you say the Uk authority doesn't recognise a relationship of less than 2 years, where did you read this and what visa application was it for? My wife and I knew each other for less than a year before we got married yet we successfully got a visitors visa and then a spouse visa without problem.

I also wasn't aware of the 50% rule but I would hazard a guess that my wife spent much longer than that in country on multiple visits. We never had a problem.

This is going back 5/6 years ago.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2018, 10:06:33 AM
Rosco,
It's OK I have Andrew on ignore.
When I need relationship advice, I know where to avoid.

Yes my question was regarding the visa issue which to date no one has responded

1) Andrew knows suff, I would not put him on ignore. You do not need to agree just consider his point of view.

2) I think there is confusion to your question. Why not rephrase in light on your current situation?
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on October 01, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
I have suggested this before!

Have you ever thought of having your wife , like  knocked on the head kind of saying? I can send you some links? Prices go from $500-1000

But try to stay away from any Russian hit man, they usually do sloppy jobs.. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 01, 2018, 10:16:16 AM
Frequent or successive visits: how to assess if an
applicant is making the UK their main home or place of
work
 
See: paragraph V 4.2(b) of appendix V: visitor rules.
 
You should check the applicant’s travel history, including how long they are spending
in the UK and how frequently they are returning. You must assess if they are, in
effect, making the UK their main home.
 
 You should look at:
 
• the purpose of the visit and intended length of stay stated
• the number of visits made over the past 12 months, including the length of stay
on each occasion, the time elapsed since the last visit, and if this amounts to
the individual spending more time in the UK than in their home country
• the purpose of return trips to the visitor’s home country and if this is used only
to seek re-entry to the UK
• the links they have with their home country - consider especially any long term
commitments and where the applicant is registered for tax purposes
• evidence the UK is their main place of residence, for example:
o if they have registered with a general practitioner (GP)
o if they send their children to UK schools
• the history of previous applications, for example if the visitor has previously
been refused under the family rules and subsequently wants to enter as a
visitor you must assess if they are using the visitor route to avoid the rules in
place for family migrants joining British or settled persons in the UK
 
There is no specified maximum period which an individual can spend in the UK in
any period such as ‘6 months in 12 months’. However, if it is clear from an
individual’s travel history that they are making the UK their home you should refuse
their application.   

source
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Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Wiz on October 01, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Frequent or successive visits: how to assess if an
applicant is making the UK their main home or place of
work
 
See: paragraph V 4.2(b) of appendix V: visitor rules.
 
You should check the applicant’s travel history, including how long they are spending
in the UK and how frequently they are returning. You must assess if they are, in
effect, making the UK their main home.
 
 You should look at:
 
• the purpose of the visit and intended length of stay stated
• the number of visits made over the past 12 months, including the length of stay
on each occasion, the time elapsed since the last visit, and if this amounts to
the individual spending more time in the UK than in their home country
• the purpose of return trips to the visitor’s home country and if this is used only
to seek re-entry to the UK
• the links they have with their home country - consider especially any long term
commitments and where the applicant is registered for tax purposes
• evidence the UK is their main place of residence, for example:
o if they have registered with a general practitioner (GP)
o if they send their children to UK schools
• the history of previous applications, for example if the visitor has previously
been refused under the family rules and subsequently wants to enter as a
visitor you must assess if they are using the visitor route to avoid the rules in
place for family migrants joining British or settled persons in the UK
 
There is no specified maximum period which an individual can spend in the UK in
any period such as ‘6 months in 12 months’. However, if it is clear from an
individual’s travel history that they are making the UK their home you should refuse
their application.
   

source
Page 17 of 65  Published for Home Office staff on 11 January 2018

It is pretty obvious from your post above, that Mrs May while she was at the Home Office, she changed and tighten the rules in an effort, ...

"To catch all illegal immigrants ..... (she said in an interview at LBC radio) so she will not apologise for the damage made to the WindRush People".

The last paragraph says it all. They give the right to the Visa Officer to decide......in his opinion........to grand a visa or not!

I would suggest... that you let her stay in her country more than 6 months before applying for a new visa. If you are desperate to see her... you can always visit her ...... Remember if you she get a refusal...... then you will have too many problems.... to overcome.

What is your Nationality Please?

 tiphat
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: dcguyusa on October 01, 2018, 06:16:05 PM
Quote
The UK authorities don’t really recognise a relationship of less than 2 years and I can understand the logic in that, so with the current visa guidelines a visitor shouldn’t spend anymore than 50% of their 6 month visa in this country.
I am trying to work out what to do next, girlfriend will soon be coming up to the end of her latest visit.
This is her 2nd visit having previously been here for 3 weeks and now 4 weeks this time. So far she has spent 7 weeks with me, so how long should I plan for her next flights? I guess she only can stay another 6 weeks in the UK on her current visa?

I am not familiar with UK immigration rules, but from what you posted, the visitor should not spend over half of the visa validity period in the visiting country.  That sounds about right that she would need to stay about another 6 weeks on her current visa.  For foreign visitors to the USA, they frown on visitors staying in this country for extended periods of time.  There is an implication that the visitor intends to remain possibly permanently (without approval) in this country.  I know several cases where this has happened in my area.  One guy came to this country as a student and finished his studies and did not leave.  When he had to return to his home country, immigration caught him violating the visa and blocked his return.  He had to wait many years before he could get approved again.
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Colloc on October 02, 2018, 01:25:19 AM
I am British by birth and born in London, I now live in Scotland.
I am mid fifties and earn a six figure salary but do not receive holiday pay
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Wiz on October 02, 2018, 02:59:06 AM
I am British by birth and born in London, I now live in Scotland.

I am mid fifties and earn a six figure salary but do not receive holiday pay

I would suggest that you are very careful, from now on because as you must have noticed the current Government can't be trusted.........because of their Brexit failure.

Take note "Gipsys" comments very seriously......and avoid any pitfalls. my view is that until you get the "divorce" ... play it safe. Better visit her in her place in Russia or make arrangements to visit her and meet in another EU country...... . That you can claim later it was building your relationship.

Sorry I can't be more helpful but I learned in my life not to trust the politicians.........

My wife arrived in the UK via the EU directive "freedom of Movement", acquired a Resident card, allowing her to live here permanently...... but after 5 years living here, and have experienced huge ignorance of the EU rules, by the airline staff...... we decided my wife to pass the test "Living in the UK" and of course the language and apply for Naturalisation.......which she acquired in march 2014, costing us over £1200 just to have peace of mind.

Well look what happened in the Brexit Saga with all foreign residents in the UK that Mrs Teresa May would not guaranteed to respect their resident status..... until the other day!

Now she is Royally Fcuked by the EU.... and it's too late.to make amends.

Don't rush... take it easy and try to avoid applying and getting a refusal in her application. REM the officer's don't give a shit,  if their decision destroys your chances for a happy life!

Good luck.

 tiphat


Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: msmoby on October 02, 2018, 04:19:45 AM

Well look what happened in the Brexit Saga with all foreign residents in the UK that Mrs Teresa May would not guaranteed to respect their resident status..... until the other day!


Bollox, Wiz

Those residing legally in the UK under current EU Directives have LONG had their status assured

Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 06:19:01 AM


I believe that she must prove "Reason to return", which, without a job may cause her some difficulty..

Gipsy is, of course correct. Whatever you do, don't ever let on that you are supporting her, and nor should she, because that will absolutely remove, in the eyes of any sensible consular official, any incentive for her to not overstay a visa permitted visit to the UK.

Encourage her to get a full-time job that is adequate to support she and her family. That'll likely help your relationship as well - or at least let you know where you actually stand.

When applying for a visa this stuff is asked about so you and she need to have a good quality, truth-based, story.

Time to have a think about how you proceed with this venture. Here's a thing, you are not the first man to get involved with a younger woman and to want to have her all to himself. The consular official who will interview your paramour will, during the same week, probably have met several people in the same situation as yours is in. The rules are designed to stop such people from getting a visa and the staff is well trained to spot people likely to overstay, for whatever reason. More than that, each person working at the point of entry, for the UK Border Agency, is looking for exactly the same things. It isn't just the consular officials that she must fool, but every underpaid, harassed UKBA employee as well.

Don't worry though, a little bit of sensible caution will enable you to be better prepared for her arrival on a more permanent basis - you can get divorced, prepare emotionally, get to know each other better, become better acquainted with her son - she is bringing her son over, yes?

Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: yankee on October 02, 2018, 11:16:33 AM
Quote
The UK authorities don’t really recognise a relationship of less than 2 years and I can understand the logic in that, so with the current visa guidelines a visitor shouldn’t spend anymore than 50% of their 6 month visa in this country.
I am trying to work out what to do next, girlfriend will soon be coming up to the end of her latest visit.
This is her 2nd visit having previously been here for 3 weeks and now 4 weeks this time. So far she has spent 7 weeks with me, so how long should I plan for her next flights? I guess she only can stay another 6 weeks in the UK on her current visa?

I am not familiar with UK immigration rules, but from what you posted, the visitor should not spend over half of the visa validity period in the visiting country.  That sounds about right that she would need to stay about another 6 weeks on her current visa.  For foreign visitors to the USA, they frown on visitors staying in this country for extended periods of time.  There is an implication that the visitor intends to remain possibly permanently (without approval) in this country.  I know several cases where this has happened in my area.  One guy came to this country as a student and finished his studies and did not leave.  When he had to return to his home country, immigration caught him violating the visa and blocked his return.  He had to wait many years before he could get approved again.


My wife, before we got married was a uni professor.  She got a USA tourist visa and stayed 3 months.  3 months latter she returned for another month.  She was asked "why?" and that was it.  Six weeks later we got married.  (then she had to wait 8 months to get her visa)
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: Steveboy on October 03, 2018, 08:18:14 AM
I am British by birth and born in London, I now live in Scotland.
I am mid fifties and earn a six figure salary but do not receive holiday pay

You mean you are presently earning a six figure salary? But that is likely to go down to a 3 figure salary after the divorce... :ROFL:
Title: Re: Best chance of a successful long term visa plan
Post by: AvHdB on October 03, 2018, 08:41:54 AM
I am British by birth and born in London, I now live in Scotland.
I am mid fifties and earn a six figure salary but do not receive holiday pay

You mean you are presently earning a six figure salary? But that is likely to go down to a 3 figure salary after the divorce... :ROFL:

Some are greedy one figure should be enough. What you pay for it is another matter.