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Title: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on September 30, 2014, 02:04:25 PM
Hello everyone, I decided to begin this thread with some pictures. If you are an unregistered guest to this forum, I'm not sure whether you will be able to see them. Anyway, after the pictures, I will explain the whole point of this thread in detail. The pictures contain certain messages, which I translated for you from russian (I gave myself some liberty when I was translating them).

PICTURES

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Bitches rule. An annoucement for a "bitchy" disco party in Russia.

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Her Royal Highness The Bitch. For her, values, morals and humanism do not exist. She lives by the principle "It will be as I say!".

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A tea / coffee cup with the sign: "Warning! Heartless bitch!"

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Bitch: She is the one who rules the world!

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It's good to be a woman anyway. "Bitch" sounds cuter than "A**hole".

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I am what I am and I will not change. Why I love only myself? Because I deserved that love!

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The book "School for Bitches"

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Photo from the russian nightlife. She probably wants to make "cosy home" with you and she's a good "marriage material".

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Bitch: Everything is in my hands. And if it's not in my hands, then it's under my feet.

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Warning: A bitch!

Now will follow a next set of pictures before we arrive to the main point. Thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on September 30, 2014, 02:07:32 PM
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I'm a bitch. I love myself, people respect me, they adore me, they envy me and I like that.

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You are dumped, a**hole. Be happy!

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The real bitch is not the one who brags about it loudly, but the one who will destroy your mind and ruin your life with an innocent smile.

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Bitch is the best girl in the world: She will make you drunk, she will f*** you over and she will send you to hell.

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Our Katya never cries. She will dump her boyfriend before he could dump her. Cause our Katya is a bitch!

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B.I.T.C.H.: Babe in Total Control of Herself.

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I'm not a bitch nor a slut, don't blame me, it's just life.

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The real bitch can be noticed from far away.

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Vodka brand: "Bitch".

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To be a bitch is cool, to be a bitch is classy, the bitch is everyone's dream etc...

Now will follow the main point.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on September 30, 2014, 02:10:14 PM
INTRO

Yeah, maybe I'm writing too much, but sorry, I'm not a damn "Twitter dot com" to put all my inner feelings in 140 characters. A year or a two ago I noticed that there's a misunderstanding between the older and the younger gentlemen on this forum. Back then I tried to discuss these issues, but most of it fell on deaf ears, so I just left. Now I decided to come back (it's autumn, the weather is getting worse, so I spend more time by the PC).

Issue № 1: With all due respect to the older / experienced members, but they fail to understand that the times are changing and so is the dating scene. The FSU is not what it used to be 10,15 or 20 years ago. The tricks that they used with the FSU women back then are not working anymore.

Issue № 2: The dating industry spread fairy tales that the FSU women are waiting for Joe the Plumber to save them from loneliness, because "there are no quality men in Russia" and that they are just dying to cook for him, to make him babies and to build a "cosy home with him". Many WM travelled to the FSU only to find out that it's all a myth or maybe half-truth. Still, some gentlemen on this forum do not allow these myths to be deconstructed. Sure, there are many good FSU women. Good as gold! But I'd say that they are now becoming a minority.

BITCHINESS

We live in a time of globalisation. The young FSU women follow the same trends as their western counterparts. Many young FSU women are not family-oriented, they don't want to commit or to have kids or to cook. They don't read Pushkin or Chekhov and don't care about culture. Their profiles on the dating sites or social networks are full of photos from wild parties and vacations or selfies made with iphones on which they are showing gangsta rap / ghetto handgestures, middle fingers (like "f**k you") or simulation of cunnilingus (two fingers in front of the lips with a tongue between them). Girls just wanna have fun?

Bitchiness is now a global trend. You see it in music videos, movies, ads. Being called a "bitch" (in russian: стерва or сука) is no longer an offence. Now it's like a compliment:

"B.I.T.C.H.: Babe In Total Control of Herself".

In Russia now they have their own variations:

"С.Т.Е.Р.В.А.: Сногшибательная. Терпеливая. Единственная. Романтичная. Влюбчивая. Аккуратная".

"С.У.К.А.: Стерва. Умеющая. Казаться. Ангелом".

They are now trying to give the word "bitch" a positive connotation.

Many young russian women openly hate the US, they write about it, they post photos of themselves desecrating the american flag etc. On the other hand, they adopt the american "culture" and "values" (instead of picking the good things from the West, they adopt the worst). A vulgar Westernization and systematic "stupidization" is now going on in Russia and all over FSU. More and more young FSUW become quite stupid and superficial.

They are very arrogant, they don't want to commit, they have unrealistic demands and they are not serious. They sit on dating sites for ages just to kill time or to show off. Or to cheat (e.g. their boyfriends are serving in the army or they are on business trips). Many young FSUW that you meet on the dating sites are actually taken. You can check that on the russian social networks such as Vkontakte and Odnoklassniki. Don't be suprised to find photos of them kissing with their local boyfriends.

Even russian guys complain about their young women. For example, here's a popular site, where people share their opinion on various subjects in a typical russian way without any political correctness. It's a pitty that most of you don't understand russian, you will be shocked by what is written there about young RW. Concentrate on the red "hate" column: http://www.lovehate.ru/Russian-Girls/5

Please don't tell me about Elena's Models or such sites. They are created for western customers, so girls there write what you want to hear: "I good girl. I want make cosy home with you". If you want to experience the real thing, try russian sites: Loveplanet.ru, Mamba.ru, VK.ru etc. Find someone to translate for you and you'll be shocked by the negativity and vulgarity that can be found in some profiles. I speak russian almost fluently, I learned it by myself, so I know what I am talking about. Of course, not all of the women are bad. There are many decent young ladies!

I remember some western dating sites that used to spread some ridiculous myths like: "Russian girls grow up with 'The Red Riding Hood' and that's why they have stronger morality than the western women" or "Russian girls want to marry at a young age, because after 25 they will be considered OLD MAIDENS". Maybe russian бабушки (grannies) think that way, but not modern and urban FSUW. They want to be independent.

Some FSUW indeed marry at a young age, but lot of them choose wrong men and end as single mothers. Sad, but true. On dating sites I sometimes meet even 18, 19 or 20 year old single mothers. We just talk, single mothers are not my type.

One of them (18 y.o. from some god-forgotten mining town) told me that her ex-bf (the dad of her child) was beating her and cheating her and that she went online to find another guy. She quickly found one and they married in a ridiculously short time. But he was travelling a lot for studies or work and he was also cheating her and so on. Man, this is like a latinoamerican soap opera. This story sounded so ridiculous, I thought that some Yuriy or Boris is kidding me, however I found out that the girl is real. Many young FSUW are totally lost, shallow, irresponsible, everyone has an affair with everyone, they drink, smoke or even do recreational drugs (e.g. "spice"). Total decadence.

DOMESTIC VS. INTERNATIONAL DATING

Most of the young FSU women are no longer interested in finding a foreign partner. It does not matter whether you are from the US, Zimbabwe or Mars. Your country of origin will not always help you, no matter how prosperous it is. Actually, many young FSUW don't want ANY partner at all, even if he's russian or even if he's rich and handsome. Being single is no longer considered loneliness, but FREEDOM. Now it's cool to be "forever alone". I guess you heard that phrase. An attractive young FSUW can always find someone if she needs to have fun, nightlife, vacation or sex without commitments.

Dating foreigners was fashionable some years ago in the FSU, but now it's almost dead. Young FSU women preffer local guys. They hate non-Russians. Here I don't mean just Chechens and Dagestanis (лица кавказской национальности) or Turks or Arabs. I mean they hate FOREIGNERS IN GENERAL. Their profiles often say: Только русские (only ethnic Russians). Some profiles include restrictions such as: "Don't write me if you are a foreigner, be it caucasian, turk, american..." or some simply say: "No outside Moscow!". Some include ethnic slurs such as: чурки, хачи, пиндосы (Central Asians, Armenians, Americans). Some FSUW use message filters to stop foreigners in contacting them. Some sites (e.g. Loveplanet.ru) offer a pay "VIP status" that includes such filter. You can set it to block messages from people not from your city or country.

MOSCOW ÜBER ALLES

Muscovites can be especially elitistic. I find that Moscow-centrism totally stupid. Do all Americans dream to live in Washington D.C.? No. You can live quite well in NYC or L.A. or even on some ranch in Texas. Do all Canadians want to live in Ottawa? Do all Aussies want to live in Canberra? I don't think so. However, the whole FSU wants to live in Moscow, so the life there is unbearable. You know: traffic jams (пробки), illegal immigrants, crime, terrorism, racism, unreasonable prices, polution, police checks etc.

Of course, if you move to Moscow, that doesn't mean you will live on the Red Square, Arbat Street or in the elite suburb of Rublyovka. Most probably you will live in some depressing block of flats far from the center. With drunk gopniks (гопники) around you.You will have to travel for hours on a metro to get to work, surrounded by all kinds of smelly "characters". But anyway, getting a Moscow прописка (residency permit) is considered a "great achievement". How glamourous!

Strangely, I had successes with some trendy & snoby young women from Moscow, but they were exceptions, not the norm.

MISANDRY, FEMINISM & FSU MEN

I read various online discussions where young FSUW express themselves as troopers, sailors or coachmen (or how it is said in your culture?). Every second word coming from their mouths is х*й. Typical russian swearing (русский мат). Men are bashed and called names such as: козли, неудачники (losers, goats and stuff). Many young FSUW grew up without fathers, which is nothing to be ashamed of, however, some of them developed a pathological hatred for men. I have experienced it with some young FSUW. They want to "revenge" on men. Often their mothers influence them in a negative way.

It is a myth that FSU men are "privileged", because "they have plenty of beautiful women to choose from". Maybe this was the case after WWII when there was a gender disbalance, but not now. The disbalance problem was blown out of proportions by the dating industry. If you still believe that those beauties on the dating sites are "lonely", because they can't find "quality men", then you are very naive. An attractive young FSUW can always find a decent partner IF she wishes so.

In reality, there are many lonely FSU men! There are completely normal guys among them (middle class, decent appearance, educated). Check russian dating sites, they are full of them. Of course, there are also many idiots, alcohlics, maniacs and cheaters in Russia, but there are some decent men. I read how they often complain that the young FSUW became impossible to deal with (it's the same like in the West).

It's funny that there are still western men who buy the myth that "there is no feminism in Russia". Young FSUW are actually very independent, stubborn and demanding. Some of them can be really "Amazonian". Isn't that a sort of "feminism"? "Girl power"? It's not easy to win the affection of these young women, but even if you do, they can easily dump you for no special reason.

Typical for the young FSUW is the lack of self-criticism and no sence of forgivness, concensus or compromise. Their understanding of life is very black and white. They are always "right" and the guys are always "wrong". There is a sort of proverb circulating on the russian social networks:

"Everything depends on the man. If he's good, then the woman will mop the floor, but if he's bad, then she will ride that same mop as a witch".

Sounds reasonable? But you forget that it takes two for tango. You can be a great dancer like Travolta in "Saturday Night Fever", but your partner must cooperate!

Also, lot of them are very ungrateful. Once you are dumped, all your positive deeds will be forgotten. You travelled 1000's of miles to some "terra incognita" to meet her? You invested nerves, emotions and lots of money to be with her? You always treated her like a lady and satisfied all her needs? You respected her family, her nation and culture and you even learned her language? You fought against your local bureaucracy to bring her to your home? Who gives a f*** about your efforts. After you're dumped, she will easily find another idiot in no time. She will have full moral support from her friends and family, who will never bother to know your side of the story.

TRENDSETTERS

It is fashionable for many young FSUW to collect подписчики (subscribers, fans) in their VK or Instagram. Naive men subscribe to their pages hoping for something more and they click "likes" like crazy. These young FSUW have nothing else to offer this world except their looks. Some of them have 1000's of subscribers and are a sort of "celebrities". If they post some nonsence in their VK, every girl will copy that and spread it. Even unattractive or average young FSUW are trying to immitate those "celebrities", though they cannot afford such looks and lifestyles.

As a result, young women in smaller places also get contaminated by these stupid trends. Avoiding Moscow, Kiev or Odessa and searching in smaller towns will not necesarily help you to find a more modest girl. Every peasant girl now receives tons of messages and "likes" and thinks that she's Angelina Jolie and that she "deserves" special treatment. Why she deserves that, no one knows.

These stupid trends ruin the russian women not only spiritualy, but also physicaly. Maybe you noticed the latest fashion among them: they do something with their eyebrows, like shaving them off and then they paint them or something. Now they all look like caucasian brigands from epic folk songs with huge black eyebrows. It's absurd.

Thousands of FSUW are destroying their natural beauty just because some stylist / makeup artist decided that it is "trendy". I'm not a homophobe, but ussualy these stylists / makeup artists are gay and they don't know s**t about female beauty. What's next? They'll say that it is cool for girls to wear fake beards like that freak who won this year's Eurovision Song Contest?

TECHNOLOGY

Milions of young FSUW now own smartphones and though some of them are quite skilled in typing with their thumbs, it's impossible to make a decent correspondence that way. And the screens are not so big, you cannot see the picture of your interlocutor in it's full beauty (or ugliness). This among other factors contributes to the demise of online dating. People are getting dumber and dumber and they communicate in oneliners. The conversations are squeezed to: "привет как дела норм" (hi, whassup, cool).

Also, what's all the fuss about iPhones? I have an iphone and what? It's totally impractical. You must be a rocket scientist to use it. I want to delete a photo from one of my albums, but I can't, I must connect it to my PC and "sync" it to the folder from which I copied the photos, but it cannot be another PC  and blah - blah - blah.

By default, you cannot just drag and drop files like to a USB stick and you can't watch all video formats, unless you install some apps and so on. It's absurd. But anyway, iphones are considered sort of status symbol among the young FSUW and almost all of them upload selfies made with iphones in their WC's. Not only teenagers do this, but also women in their 20's and even early 30's.

CONCLUSION

Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.

There are some middle aged gentlemen here, who are still searching, but their target group are middle aged single mothers and they don't know what is happening among the younger FSUW. I'm in my 30's and my target group are young women in their 20's and early 30's.

I must admit that I too was biased. I had a 4 years of relationship with a russian girl. She was an embodiment of all positive values that we look in a russian women: smart and well-read, classy, sexy (but not slutty) and she was good in the kitchen, though she was very young when we started our relationship. She was a student in her late teens, but she had a very good upbringing. I was the first boyfriend in her life.

I had a false impression that the majority of young FSUW are like her, which proved not to be true. When our relationship ended, I decided to search in the FSU again and I found out that my ex- girlfriend was a rare exception and not the norm. Afterwards, I had several shorter relationships with russian or ukrainian girls and also some hmm... sexual adventures and as everyone else here, I also had some failed dates. Shortly speaking, I have experience in FSU dating, so I know very well what I'm talking about.

You say: the majority of FSUW are good, but there are always some rotten apples here and there. Right now, things are going more like: it's a sea of bad with some rare uncontaminated islands here and there.

I'm not some moralist, puritan or a taleban, this is a total decadence and moral degradation. I don't beleive in conspiracy theories, but it seems that some centers of power or corporations are intentionally spreading these stupid trends, maybe to make money out of it or to achieve some evil goals...
 
Of course, there are many good women in the FSU. But the best ones ussualy don't waste time on dating sites 24/7. Sadly we will never meet them. They do something useful in their lifes (work, study, sports, arts etc.). Many of them are in love with their local boyfriends or are happily married. Or they pursue careers or they take care of children (if they are single mothers).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on September 30, 2014, 03:05:41 PM
Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.

The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on September 30, 2014, 03:23:12 PM
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Of course, there are many good women in the FSU. But the best ones ussualy don't waste time on dating sites 24/7. Sadly we will never meet them. They do something useful in their lifes (work, study, sports, arts etc.). Many of them are in love with their local boyfriends or are happily married. Or they pursue careers or they take care of children (if they are single mothers).

Completely agree, and whats to be done?
 If men want to meet such women, its on them to find a way.
This is a place to discuss how.


To the rest of your post, you are basically saying  that most young girls are out having fun , perhaps partying and  not serious,  regardless where you find them in the world.
That seems pretty normal to me.

You also seem to be saying finding a true sweetheart is rare,. here ,there or anywhere. That also seems normal to me.

FWIW I've been in the FSU quite awhile ago and quite recently, regardless your take, the younger generation of FSU
women are not dramatically any different personality wise now , as they were then.

Regardless what culture a man looks in, if he is reasonably successful in life and dating, is  30,  and can't sort out a truly nice girl to date, the problem lies somewhere else, or in how he searches, or his expectations in attractiveness or other..
   Its not from some huge moral change recently that made the FSU a  culture of stervas..
 :hidechair:

There's some truth in your observations,
(mostly due to youth being youth in any culture- i know i sure wasn't ready to marry or be serious in my 20's)
and there was even a sterva school touring through major FSU cities..lol
However,  try and remember that the vast majority of images you posted where put up originally as jokes.
And a great many RW ,of any age, view them that way,as humorous,  not as some call to a way to live their life. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Boris on September 30, 2014, 03:53:00 PM
Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.



The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.

If I wasn't an atheist I'd say amen...

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Isthmus on September 30, 2014, 06:02:03 PM
As a general rule of thumb I don't date women below 30 (I am early 40s). Experience has shown me that most women in their 20s are not ready to settle down and from their early 20s to mid 20s have a lot of attitude. This is not something unique to the FSU, it is a global condition and a function of the girls' ages. Quite simply, they are too young and not mature enough yet (generally speaking).

Recently when travelling abroad I breached my 'age 30+' rule and dated a lass who was 27, going on 28 because she was keen on meeting me and said she wasn't bothered about the age difference. Sweet, gentle, intelligent and well mannered lady. But there always are exceptions.

Then I contacted some mid 20s ladies as I was moving on to the FSU in my travels. Attitude and silly games, didn't even bother meeting with them and just focused on ladies in the 30-35 group and of course it was a much better experience.

So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU?  :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on September 30, 2014, 10:03:02 PM
Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.

The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.

I always make correct predictions.

Don't be so angry TomT, just kidding.

To the rest of your post, you are basically saying  that most young girls are out having fun , perhaps partying and  not serious,  regardless where you find them in the world.
That seems pretty normal to me.

I don't have a problem if they have fun, I have a problem with:
- The dating industry, that misguided WM and made lots of $$$ by selling them myths or half-truths

- The timewasters on the dating sites. If they don't want anything serious, fine. They should get the f. off those sites. They can go to their local gopnik boyfriends and f. each other.

However,  try and remember that the vast majority of images you posted where put up originally as jokes.
And a great many RW ,of any age, view them that way,as humorous,  not as some call to a way to live their life.

What if I upload porn or nazi swastikas in my VK just for a "joke"? What would people think about me?

And you are underestimating the problem. Someone is investing good money in this "joke". There's a whole industry of music videos, movies and books that promote this bitch trend. Milions of young women want to immitate this. For example, do you know how many girls suffer from bulimia because of some stupid fashion trends? How can you underestimate the influence of the media? You are not that naive.

Perhaps in the US it also started as a "joke", but now there are milions of divorced men, who are looking for a bride overseas, because american bitches became immpossible to deal with. Maybe russian men will start do the same.

So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU?  :)

Yes, I do believe that there is a shift in the mentality. And strangely, I had more success with much younger women than with those close to my age. Age means sh.., it's the soul, the heart and the upbringing that matters.

Now I'm not searching . I sit on some dating sites just to kill time and to troll. If the girls are not serious, then why should I bother?

If some girl wants to make 'cosy home' with me, then she can buy herself a flight ticket and visit me. And she must give me sexy time. And buy me things and iphones. I don't want to go to any Middle-of-nowhere-insk again. Been there many times, I'm sick of it.

I'd change my mind only if i find someone really really special, but I don't think it's worth it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on September 30, 2014, 10:29:39 PM
I always make correct predictions.

Sure you do. You probably predicted that I would take you to task for your use of the word, "never."
Your failure to mention it was merely an oversight, right?

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 01, 2014, 02:46:16 AM
And strangely, I had more success with much younger women than with those close to my age. Age means sh.., it's the soul, the heart and the upbringing that matters.

Now I'm not searching . I sit on some dating sites just to kill time and to troll. If the girls are not serious, then why should I bother?

If some girl wants to make 'cosy home' with me, then she can buy herself a flight ticket and visit me. And she must give me sexy time. And buy me things and iphones. I don't want to go to any Middle-of-nowhere-insk again. Been there many times, I'm sick of it.

I'd change my mind only if i find someone really really special, but I don't think it's worth it.

Longing you would be better served to be honest with, at the very least, yourself.  There is no crime in being attracted to younger women.  There is no crime in chasing younger women.  But younger people, when speaking of late teens early twenties, by definition are less experienced and in most cases,IMO, immature.  If you claim to be looking for a mature relationship than why focus in that age range.  You present yourself as an intelligent guy so this doesn't add up.  There is something amiss.

Three years ago you presented the same argument.  Three years on you have arrived at the same location.  Three years past you claimed the issue was not within.  The problem is not the ladies who inhabit the rest of the world.  Something you are doing, looking for, expecting or radiating is broken.

You say you had more success with younger ladies.   How do you define success?



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 01, 2014, 10:50:57 AM
So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU?  :)

Yes, there are TECTONIC SHIFTS in the FSU. Mid class emerged, people own iphones, plasmas and decent cars, they spend holidays in Turkey, Egypt, UAE and some in the Seychelles, Goa and Thailand. Women become independent, westernized and career oriented. They have russian versions of "Cosmopolitan" and "Sex & the City". Even poor smalltown girls want to immitate this.

Years ago, most FSUW didn't have internet or used dial up, they had to scan photos, cause they didn't have digital cameras. We were writing long messages. Now its all smartphones and oneliners. All these changes are influencing the young FSUW in a negative way.


Longing you would be better served to be honest with, at the very least, yourself.  There is no crime in being attracted to younger women.  There is no crime in chasing younger women.  But younger people, when speaking of late teens early twenties, by definition are less experienced and in most cases,IMO, immature.  If you claim to be looking for a mature relationship than why focus in that age range.  You present yourself as an intelligent guy so this doesn't add up.  There is something amiss.

Three years ago you presented the same argument.  Three years on you have arrived at the same location.  Three years past you claimed the issue was not within.  The problem is not the ladies who inhabit the rest of the world.  Something you are doing, looking for, expecting or radiating is broken.

You say you had more success with younger ladies.   How do you define success?

Why you guys defocus from the subject and always blame the OP? It's like: all FSUW are saintesses and there must be "something wrong with the guy".

Let's be grown up: a huge percent of FSUW are not serious. They are not SO different than the WW, they are not all family oriented, they are not all SO sophisticated, they easily fall for stupid trends, they are not interested in foreigners, they have local choices, they cheat, they fart. It's not a blasphemy to admit this.

Sure there are exceptions! Girls who read Turgenev, who like museums and cinema classics such as "Ирония судьбы". I told you that I had a girl, who was in her late teens and who was like this.

But that does not mean that I necesaraly chase teenagers. You took that out of context. I do not choose by age. If I like the photo, I write. I like when the profile contains something inspirational.

But most of the profiles are empty, cause their owners don't give a sh. They are already taken anyway. VK.ru is your friend.

4 years of relationship (which nearly ended with a marriage) plus many shorter relationships with beautiful and smart young FSUW. Is that success or not? I guess it is something.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 01, 2014, 11:10:21 AM
So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU?  :)

Yes, there are TECTONIC SHIFTS in the FSU. Mid class emerged, people own iphones, plasmas and decent cars, they spend holidays in Turkey, Egypt, UAE and some in the Seychelles, Goa and Thailand. Women become independent, westernized and career oriented. They have russian versions of "Cosmopolitan" and "Sex & the City". Even poor smalltown girls want to immitate this.

Years ago, most FSUW didn't have internet or used dial up, they had to scan photos, cause they didn't have digital cameras. We were writing long messages. Now its all smartphones and oneliners. All these changes are influencing the young FSUW in a negative way.


Longing you would be better served to be honest with, at the very least, yourself.  There is no crime in being attracted to younger women.  There is no crime in chasing younger women.  But younger people, when speaking of late teens early twenties, by definition are less experienced and in most cases,IMO, immature.  If you claim to be looking for a mature relationship than why focus in that age range.  You present yourself as an intelligent guy so this doesn't add up.  There is something amiss.

Three years ago you presented the same argument.  Three years on you have arrived at the same location.  Three years past you claimed the issue was not within.  The problem is not the ladies who inhabit the rest of the world.  Something you are doing, looking for, expecting or radiating is broken.

You say you had more success with younger ladies.   How do you define success?

Why you guys defocus from the subject and always blame the OP? It's like: all FSUW are saintesses and there must be "something wrong with the guy".

Let's be grown up: a huge percent of FSUW are not serious. They are not SO different than the WW, they are not all family oriented, they are not all SO sophisticated, they easily fall for stupid trends, they are not interested in foreigners, they have local choices, they cheat, they fart. It's not a blasphemy to admit this.

Sure there are exceptions! Girls who read Turgenev, who like museums and cinema classics such as "Ирония судьбы". I told you that I had a girl, who was in her late teens and who was like this.

But that does not mean that I necesaraly chase teenagers. You took that out of context. I do not choose by age. If I like the photo, I write. I like when the profile contains something inspirational.

But most of the profiles are empty, cause their owners don't give a sh. They are already taken anyway. VK.ru is your friend.

4 years of relationship (which nearly ended with a marriage) plus many shorter relationships with beautiful and smart young FSUW. Is that success or not? I guess it is something.

You realize the women in FSU are changing, this is likely true to some degree.
What you or anyone else really needs to know is simple, who you are and what you want.
Focus your search on that criteria and don't get involved in games and more important,
know when to say Next! Regardless if searching in FSU your hometown or any place else.
But odds are if chasing anyone under the age of 25 you will find more kids, not ready to settle down or to immature to make a lasting commitment. As always there are exceptions, some younger are ready and willing, some older are not ready either. Stating what your originally posted, could be said of most places. If you spend time searching for it, you will find it.
Regardless of what IT  is.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 01, 2014, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: longingforthesouth
I don't have a problem if they have fun, I have a problem with:
- The dating industry, that misguided WM and made lots of $$$ by selling them myths or half-truths

- The timewasters on the dating sites. If they don't want anything serious, fine. They should get the f. off those sites. They can go to their local gopnik boyfriends and f. each other.

......................
What if I upload porn or nazi swastikas in my VK just for a "joke"? What would people think about me?

And you are underestimating the problem. Someone is investing good money in this "joke". There's a whole industry of music videos, movies and books that promote this bitch trend. Milions of young women want to immitate this. For example, do you know how many girls suffer from bulimia because of some stupid fashion trends? How can you underestimate the influence of the media? You are not that naive.

Perhaps in the US it also started as a "joke", but now there are milions of divorced men, who are looking for a bride overseas, because american bitches became immpossible to deal with. Maybe russian men will start do the same.


Actually I'd say you are  overestimating the problem.

Sure, it is  a big issue on MOB sites,that likely cant be overstated..lol and while it exists in the general public at large, it is  often age, and maturity related,and not some epidemic of all FSU women.

Now its certainly possible you are 100%  correct, or perhaps I am, or the reality anywhere in between?
I'm open to all those ideas.. lol

The thing is, naive or not, I dint concentrate on the negatives, I searched for positive people and ignored all the white noise.

 You've been at it a few years.
At that very same time frame,  I faced the same mob Agency crapola you have, the same social  issues you seem to focus on.
Yet dint have that big of problem sorting through all the BS and finding a nice beautiful wife (28 when i met her,so within the age range your speak of) that is as  far from the stereotype you present,  as humanly possible.

I wish you luck, and understand you are trying to present the MOB agency route as completely jacked up.
They market to fantasy seekers and take their money.
If a guy is serious then he should recognize that is mostly fantasy,  and use them accordingly if he chooses. It is sham, not scam.
 You may find it amusing that i completely agree with you in that arena, and have harped on this same subject many many times. I do try to warn folks  that it is a poor way to search.. but i dint waste much of my time on that, until after i had found what i was looking for.
  I readily admit i used that method, as one of many means to meet interesting women, and ended up married through meeting someone in that way.
So it is possible,yet  it's a very poor method in general,as there is a lot of added white noise ,expense, and BS,
but it can be used successfully if you are realistic and keep your head on straight.

Get busy living.. or get busy dying..

You know the score ,so use that to your advantage, or winge about it.Your choice.

 :biggrin:
 



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 01, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 01, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.


You need a reality check.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 01, 2014, 01:18:35 PM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.


You need a reality check.

Why?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 01, 2014, 02:32:44 PM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.

I met women through those means as well.my wife I met from her profile at an agency. I've lived in the FSU, met plenty of very nice RW here and there ,so i just can't completely  buy what you are selling.

 As far as the agencies, they tell the men they market to exactly what they want to hear.
Do you think your local new or used car dealer doesn't do the same? It may seem unethical,but its big business.

If you don't use them, I can't see why you'd be too concerned.

As far as meeting a boatload of stervas through more regular channels, then  labeling the society as utterly  flawed..

I find you're likely overstating, from my experience.
 I met women off mamba, most were quite well adjusted, nice and family oriented.
Could I find a lot of young party girls listed on mamba as well? sure.
The profiles normally give you a clue, any interaction after that certainly should. If they got past those filters, then a first date would let me know we weren't compatible.(but she would be with someone else)
nyet problem?

I certainly am not selling some fantasy that the FSU is absolutely chalk full of  young models who are family oriented and suzy homemakers?
 Yet I'm certainly well enough versed in both living in the FSU and dating/living with RW the last 2 decades to say it isn't filled with stervas either as a generality. (:)

 I know a dozen FSU women in the 25 to 32 age range off the top of my head that are very family oriented, beautiful and
nothing like your stereotype.Just fixed a guy up with one of them a few weeks ago, they seem to have hit it off and continue dating.

I'm not saying they are around every corner, but they certainly are not that hard to find,. You can hold on to your opinion dearly, but the average RW is married and has a family.She likely is reasonable and hardly a bitch.
More importantly, her unmarried friends are very much like her, and that constitutes the bulk of the female population, not what you portray.
Does the bitchy , entitled , party club  girl mentality exist ? Sure , absolutely. but no one needs to date them unless they want to,and its certainly not all you'd find in the FSU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: JayH on October 01, 2014, 05:36:51 PM
I think LFTS has got more right than wrong here.Generalisations are never 100% accurate but here is a fair attempt at outlining a lot of issues.Certainly   it does apply to at least some.As he has pointed out several times the "old" timers here are out of touch-- funny how are few jumped straight into thread !!

LFTS--your comments seem very like some conversations I had-- have you more recently been based in a city not in your signature?Maybe you had a small problem on exit?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 01, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
AJ,

We've been debunking the myths about FSUW for nearly fifteen years now and the topic is getting very long of tooth. It's futile anyway because there so much variation between individuals that it's difficult to know where the average lies.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 01, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
Tom, true enough.

I'm hardly a defender of RW on a pedestal...
they are women ,and individuals, like any other nationality.

If folks think they have some cultural  monopoly on being bitchy, then those folks havn't dated in various cultures much.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 01, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
Just fixed a guy up with one of them a few weeks ago, they seem to have hit it off and continue dating.

Meeting through mutual friends is great, but not all of us have that possibility like your lucky friend. I always had to "FIX" everything myself. Do you understand the difference?

the average RW is married and has a family.She likely is reasonable and hardly a bitch. More importantly, her unmarried friends are very much like her

OK, but we rarely see such good women on dating sites. They don't sit there 24/7. They work, study, workout, make handcrafts, dance kazachok, take care of babies (if they are single mums). Some of them may not be interested in foreigners and don't want to live abroad. Some hate  the dating industry and don't want to be in catalogues. Some don't believe in online dating, let alone international dating. Some may be shy. Some are already taken. Etc...

Do you think your local new or used car dealer doesn't do the same?

How can you compare cars and human beings? I've never been scammed by dishonest agencies, but still, what they do is intolerable. Misguided by their myths, many WM travel to the FSU and spend loads of $$$ only to find out that no one wants them there. The loss of money is not so important, but the emotional manipulation.

No offence, but you are married and maybe you are a little bit biased and you don't see the bad things so much.

Anyway, thank you for sharing your story, but I'm trying to understand it. Is it like you lived / worked in the FSU for a long time? You had friends there? Or you lived in the US and you travelled abroad to meet your lady? Details mean a lot.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 01, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Readers digest version- I lived and worked ,based out of a  FSU country a few years back in late the 90's. I moved back to the US in 99 but still worked part time over there  and married a UW soon thereafter.My job transitioned back to full time in the US ,we were married 7 years total, then parted ways amicably.
 I then dated both locally and internationally a couple years ,ultimately met a UW thru an agency in early 2010, we married in the fall of 2011.
Certainly doesn't make me an expert,yet i have plenty of family/friends and aquantences in the FSU that disprove ,at least to me, the *all sterva * theory.
You seem to be saying this is a difficult road for most western men to travel..i've never disagreed. Ive walked it a couple times and seen all the potholes you brought up.
You seem to feel the MOB agencies are in general suspect ,unethical. i dont disagree.


I have plenty of empathy,but feel you're approaching this with the wrong attitude.If your past experiences have you that jaded about it, then i'd move
simply on and forget the whole deal.
If you want to pursue it, I'd drop the *they are all bitches* mentality, and simply look for the right girl for you.. and recognize its not a cakewalk , in any country.
Life's not fair, seems rule number one .


Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 01, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

Why you guys defocus from the subject and always blame the OP? It's like: all FSUW are saintesses and there must be "something wrong with the guy".
Longing I focus on the OP because you are the one here posting. Not much I can do to assist nonexisting ladies whom seek advice/opinions on how they could be more successful in meeting men.  Of course I am attempting to make an effort to assist you.  I took the time and effort to read your previous posts before writing my response above.

Note that I didn't say there is something wrong with you, as in you are some freak.  Read my response above with this in mind.  You haven't reached your goal so something is not working.  What is it?  I don't know.  Only by asking questions can we expand our knowledge base and have an adult conversation.



Let's be grown up: a huge percent of FSUW are not serious. They are not SO different than the WW, they are not all family oriented, they are not all SO sophisticated, they easily fall for stupid trends, they are not interested in foreigners, they have local choices, they cheat, they fart. It's not a blasphemy to admit this.

Sure there are exceptions! Girls who read Turgenev, who like museums and cinema classics such as "Ирония судьбы". I told you that I had a girl, who was in her late teens and who was like this.

Of course, and who disagrees, you are singing to the choir.  The difference being that if these ladies are the same world over, then deal with it.  Stop worrying about the stuff you cannot control and move on to that which brings you closer to your end game.

But that does not mean that I necesaraly chase teenagers. You took that out of context. I do not choose by age. If I like the photo, I write. I like when the profile contains something inspirational.

But most of the profiles are empty, cause their owners don't give a sh. They are already taken anyway. VK.ru is your friend.

OK fair enough, but it was you who said that you had more success with younger ladies.  If that is the case then I was probing for why?  Is it because they are less jaded, more willing to listen to BS, intrigued by an older guy, have less self confidence, don't question as much, hard bodies, what?????

4 years of relationship (which nearly ended with a marriage) plus many shorter relationships with beautiful and smart young FSUW. Is that success or not? I guess it is something.
This is the same relationship where you said you blew it three years ago.  Are you still hung up on that girl?  Don't take that as a flame.  Obviously that was a special relationship for you but it's three years on mate.  Are you looking at each girl and speaking of this relationship?

Anyway longing, its up to you if you want to discuss your situation.  Yes that means having to have adult discussions where you may not like or want to hear other opinions. 

Maybe , just maybe, the older married guys do have something to offer you after all.  It isn't all luck, that's naive and dishonest.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 01, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
If you state what you've learned since you posted in 2011, other than that FSU girls are bitches, it would save us all some time. Please be brief because some of our members have the attention span of fruit flies.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 01, 2014, 11:39:19 PM
Welder, I'm not searching anymore. I just shared my opinion. It's well founded on experience and I'll not change it. Now I'm on dating sites just to kill time. Also, we have pretty girls in my country. We make sexy time with no strings attached, cause they are "independent".

AJ, respect for your story! But you are not a typical online dater. You lived there since the 90's and you married a UW "before it was cool" as hipsters say.

While living there in the 90s, I assume you made friends, learned the mentality. You are an american and foreigners were "cool". It was the era of Yeltsin and Kuchma, the economy was bad. I assume that gave you an advantage.

Most of the WM could not have your experience. Their only "window" to the FSU is the monitor. They travel to the "lion's den" with no experience or local support. No friends to fix dates with trusted and quality women.

Not all of us can live in the FSU. If you live there dating is easier. Especialy 10-15-20 years ago.

TomT , y r u so angry? It's futile, yes. So what? We're just talking. I wanted to write a sort of "e-book". Not for the members,  of course, but for newbies and guests. If you think this all sux, close this thread. I dunno who's the mod.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 02, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
Welder, I'm not searching anymore. I just shared my opinion. It's well founded on experience and I'll not change it. Now I'm on dating sites just to kill time. Also, we have pretty girls in my country. We make sexy time with no strings attached, cause they are "independent".
 
I wanted to write a sort of "e-book". Not for the members,  of course, but for newbies and guests. If you think this all sux, close this thread. I dunno who's the mod.

Fair enough Longing.  I respect the effort you made in sharing your opinion.  I don't agree with it but that's the spirit of the forum, sharing our experiences. 

Experience can be your silent enemy.  If your experience is such that it limits your opinions and thinking than it works against you.  If you can step back and use your experiences in a new way that minimizes repeating old habits or by considering adapting those efforts to open new doors experience can move you forward rather quickly. 

This is not an "ebook" or personal blog so it is only fair, and expected, that new guests and members read alternate opinions, debate why you may have arrived at your conclusions and let folks decide for themselves. 

I don't see a reason to close the thread.  To date is has been healthy debate where members just don't roll over and accept what has been posted as gospel.  You should welcome that debate as it provides an avenue to drive home your opinion based on your experience and force you, me and others reading and posting, to broaden our view.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 02, 2014, 02:38:13 AM
As he has pointed out several times the "old" timers here are out of touch-- funny how are few jumped straight into thread !!
Really Jay?  Where have the so called "old " timers been out of touch on this topic, specifically? 

Longing presented an opinion which has been debated.   If his opinion and conclusions are accurate they will withstand debate.  Would it make you happier if everyone just rolls over an accepts everything written as gospel? 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on October 02, 2014, 05:27:21 AM
There is some truth in what you say, however, my experience (so far) has been that it is easy to filter out such women. 

Are there "proud-to-be-bitches" - yes. 

Of course, even the well-read person such as yourself will remember Chaucer's Wife of Bath and realize this is not a new discovery. ("What women most desire is sovereignty over their husbands" is the upshot, in case it has been a while for you.)

You might want to have a look at Edward Bernays or the TV series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self which deals with how corporations and others have influenced societies, including US/UK and now, Russian society also.

My view is that non-married women, spend more on high-profit items, so those who would benefit from that, promote it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: JayH on October 02, 2014, 05:48:34 AM
As he has pointed out several times the "old" timers here are out of touch-- funny how are few jumped straight into thread !!
Really Jay?  Where have the so called "old " timers been out of touch on this topic, specifically? 

Longing presented an opinion which has been debated.   If his opinion and conclusions are accurate they will withstand debate.  Would it make you happier if everyone just rolls over an accepts everything written as gospel?
    No-- it would not make me "happier" -- look at the way replies are framed. The OP has obviously gone to a lot of effort to write that post as a 'think' piece and in my view it is an interesting piece of work .His conclusions are attacked and dismissed-- by those same people the OP mentions. Do they feel threatened by others with knowledge? With those that reach conclusions>? There is no evidence that the OP was on the forum 15 years ago to get the benefit of the collective wisdom- so his views are contemporary.
    In summary-- many things do and have changed in Ukraine since many here were there. That is virtually in every aspect of life and attitudes. Given that the OP comments were mostly about younger generation girls --that is something that some here would never connect with--let alone understand.One of the problems you have( although you are younger than the old phaffers I was referring to) is that a very narrow view of who can know anything is taken  ie  closed minds to others who do have actual on the ground current experience . The OP has made some observations -- a lot of which I would agree with-even if I would not necessarily express in the same way.
I am also heavily restricted on what I can say here as I am so rude and ill mannered-so difficult to give examples if I want the post to appear. :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 02, 2014, 07:17:26 AM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.


You need a reality check.

Why?

You appear to be in another world.

Yeah there's bitchy girls everywhere, how you've found that many is anyone's guess.

Change tactics and try again Go hard or go home.

When I went to Russia I met several girls, 1 was a bit of an airhead who i met in a club who called herself Maria Versace as she loved everything versace. She was a bit of a diva to say the least. We connected on social media, she was great to look at but not for me as above. All the other girls I bumped into in various places were lovely. 

You can slate them all or take a look at what you're doing wrong and why you feel hard done by?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 02, 2014, 07:29:40 AM
TomT , y r u so angry? It's futile, yes. So what? We're just talking. I wanted to write a sort of "e-book". Not for the members,  of course, but for newbies and guests. If you think this all sux, close this thread. I dunno who's the mod.

1) I'm not angry; I've just been in a foul mood for the last fifty years.

2) You avoided answering my question about what you've learned in the past three years.

3) You will come off as a guru if your audience consists only of those who know nothing and a wack-job.

4) It's not within my purview to close the thread; at best, I can only make recommendations.

5) I wouldn't lock the thread, even if I had the authority to do so, because your attraction to bitches is engrossing.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 10:21:52 AM
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY. I WILL SAY THIS ONLY ONCE (Like in the 'Allo 'Allo comedy series)

Yes, there are wonderful FSUW. I experienced that. But this thread is about the bad things.

I'm trying to answer everyone and the discussion goes on forever. Things are repeated, cause some discutants didn't read my text. They are telling me what I know or give me advices, that I never asked for.

The text was not only about bitchiness, but you all stick to it. Also, when I say "bitch" I don't mean only divas. Their behaviour is copied even by poor girls. And even single mothers!

There are experienced men here and I respect them. But some lived in the FSU 15-20 years ago when it was different. Their first encounter with FSUW was not through a PC. Most WM do not have such experience. And things changed since 1994 or 2004.

You are debunking myths here for years. Kudos for that. But even now, in 2014, there are WM who are misguided by such myths. There are problems. Plus things change. All this contributes to the demise of FSU dating. Others share my opinion:

I QUOTE ANOTHER MEMBER. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY:

The idea of international marriage is over in Belarus.  You can say it is basically non existent.  I have met several nice ladies, and most are curious but not serious.  Most have openly told me they are not willing to leave their friends and family.  Many have degrees and hold good jobs here and they know they might not be able to re validate their degree in the USA.

I came here to meet her, planned the works, gifts for her daughter, parents, planned places to see, we were planning family dinners, etc.  When I get her I realize she has a very demanding concept of money, she likes to drink and dance in clubs and basically I asked her to leave my apartment after the second day.

I had dinner with a woman I had initially written to in 2012.  She even told me that a few years back many americans came and found wives, but that the numbers plummeted recently. I don't blame them.  If you find an American man interesting and you also find your local neighbor interesting, and your national economy has improved, you will marry your local man next door because you do not have to leave your culture and friends. 

The economy here has improved and woman do not want to leave their culture, family, friends and career.  This is understandable.  If I meet a woman and she likes me just as much as she likes her neighbor she will choose her neighbor with whom she can have a conversation.  I even met a woman that told me she was only interested in Belarusian men because she is patriotic.

I don't know this man personaly, but he seems 100% reasonable. You don't want to hear what guys like him are saying. There are many like them.

You tell them that "there's something wrong with them" and to "look in the mirror". I'm looking in the mirror whole day and I fall in love with it.

What some of you do really sickens me. E.g. someone offended this man by calling him "trailer trash". Enough is enough! Now let's grow up and admit that there are problems.

That's why I decided to make that "e-book". It's not nothing professional, but if you describe the problems in a more "in your face" style, it may save many WM nerves, emotions and money.

I hope that you finally understood my point. If not, then there must be something really wrong with you and you must look yourself in the mirror blah-blah. Just joking.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 02, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".

And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.

What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.

You are the main man and we're lucky to have you!  tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on October 02, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
I think you'll find that many myths have been debunked over the years here and on other fora. I, for one, have long been saying that doing things the "old" way (circa 2005) is a recipe for failure, if not disaster.

I have also said that if a guy changes his approach, Russia is a goldmine of good-hearted, well-intentioned women whom still adhere to a more traditional, albeit culturally different relationship. And if a man is indeed serious in his intentions, Russia provides such a man with a higher degree of success than America (for example) of finding that woman IMO.

My guess is that I've met many more RW than you (the OP) and most have been a delight. Nevertheless, they are still women, and as such will drive you a little crazy; it's the nature of the beast.

I can safely say that I haven't dated a AW in almost 20 years, and it would take a truly exceptional American women to change my mind and go back. At this time and point of my life, it's not even on the radar, and quite frankly, I have always done much better in Russia and I'm too locked in with RW at the moment.

As I sit in an airport in America at the moment, there are plenty of pretty girls running around, as well as all different types. I have always said there are few things that separate RW from Western women, for example, but those few things are positive, not negative. I'm even more convinced of this as I vacation back home in America.

I'm not sure exactly what another e-book will do, but I doubt you're going to shed any new light on this situation or this forum, that's for sure. If a man, any man, can't or won't take the initiative to find the already current, readily available information on the internet as it stands now; another e-book isn't going to change the playing field. These type of men seem unfazed by anything resembling reality, their grandiose opinion of themselves, or are driven by the unfortunate malady known as loneliness.

You will also not be inventing the wheel, nor saving the world from she devils whose ethnicity is decidedly Slavic/Russian. These women exist in all nationalities and the men who find themselves on the short end of a nightmare relationship, will no doubt end up there regardless of what direction their journey takes them, or what information is available. And it matters not at all whether it's 2005 or 2025 as these things have been happening since the beginning of time. 


Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 02, 2014, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: longing
Not all of us can live in the FSU. If you live there dating is easier. Especialy 10-15-20 years ago.

True!! and i'd advise the best way to meet a family oriented FSUW is to go live there.
I agree most can't.

You can imagine i'd take some small  exception to discounting my outlooks on the FSU , based on my experience being dated or *in country*. 
;D
  As I think you missed the part that I restarted dating in 2010, while living in the USA, through the very means most here would utilize, met FSUW through those, did the whole email, skype, phone, fly into the FSU  city to meet, then more trips etc etc.
All the same hassles you mentioned, the same cultural challenges.Do you think i missed noticing the MOB agency shananingans, the general FSU culture, or a subset of stervas you brought up as well?? Trust me I know those recent challenges well.In fact I watched the changes from a pretty clear vantage point.

 Sure its challenging,yet I did meet my wife this way, and it's fairly  recent experience, with a women listed at an agency,contacted initially through a *monitor* ,and then meeting her, her family ,friends ,and acquaintances there.

You taking the time to warn men looking into this,
of the pitfalls,  I agree with , and commend, so don't take me wrong.


However,  I felt your take seemed a tad jaded (so does Omegas whom you quoted,  and I've stated so in his threads as well)

It's a forum, I feel there are a lot of good FSUW,but yes the challenge is to contact them and build a relationship.

Perhaps I see the glass  completely full. (of water or air)
and am too optimistic.Perhaps easy for me top be so, since I'm happily married.My wife just randomly  texted that she adores me, and a pic of our newborn.;)
 So regard my posts as simply an attempt to present some balance, to what i felt a perhaps accurate but jaded outlook, I think Danchik's post does as well.

Despite the pitfalls, which seem more tiresome than dangerous, I couldn't be happier that I still took the time and effort  to look into the FSU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 02, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
However,  I felt your take seemed a tad jaded (so does Omegas whom you quoted,  and I've stated so in his threads as well)


I agree with upsylon to a large degree.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 02, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longing
Not all of us can live in the FSU. If you live there dating is easier. Especialy 10-15-20 years ago.


However,  I felt your take seemed a tad jaded (so does Omegas whom you quoted,  and I've stated so in his threads as well)

Who earlier started a thread to try and prove the landscape has changed so badly that nobody has been married in the last 3 years, which fell flat on its arse after 4 comments.

I seldom post on this forum but do browse and it makes a change to see some non political threads.
However, when most follow the same topic of 'its all a scam/they aren't serious/it's changed so much since the good old days(that I've read about)/they aren't desperate for an American/European/they're bitches' it's just tedious.

Sorry if that sounds harsh but the truth often is. Some  people/posts make for painful reading.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 02, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
I agree with upsylon to a large degree.

Oops. Not exactly the type one would like to associate with!

I tend to agree with Luke here. The mob business may or may not be dead, the dating game in the FSU may or may not have changed beyond all recognition and longingforthesouth may or may not be correct in his assumptions. However what I know, is that there are plenty single ladies looking for guys, all over the world.

As this forum is about the FSU, I know for a fact that one can marry a lady from these parts, not all ladies from these parts are bitches and the dating game is most certainly not dead. Guys continually looking for bitches will find bitches. Guys looking for their other half will eventually find their other half......

Who said this pursuit was difficult??  :fighting0025:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
I agree with upsylon to a large degree.

Oops. Not exactly the type one would like to associate with!


Is this flaming TomT and Rosco? If yes, then you shold look yourself in a mirror, but better not, cause it will break from your ancient beauty (you look like Trojan horses). You bad men, no cosy home for you! Just kidding. Let the kids play.

That sentence was taken out of context by TomT so he could discredit me? I agreed with lots of things that Upsylon wrote 3 years ago. He had balls to tell the truth like that kid from "The Emperor's New Clothes". The problem was his style.

If you open that old thread, you would notice that me and Upsylon were expressing ourselves differently. He was more like angry. Sometimes he didn't choose his words, but he made good points. Unlike him, I choose to be more constructive.

TomT and Rosco, what do you choose to be? I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc. What do you have to say on the subject except defocusing?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 02, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Yawn.  :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 02, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
That sentence was taken out of context by TomT so he could discredit me?

I deliberately made no comment so that readers could click on that link and draw their own conclusions.


I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc.

If you are a wealth of information and wisdom, it will be self-evident; there is no need to promote yourself so vigorously.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on October 02, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc. What do you have to say on the subject except defocusing?

I eschewed the viva voce and went right for the practical. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.

I always predict things correctly....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 02, 2014, 04:31:26 PM
Are you suggesting that I'm one of the older members, who isn't up to date with current trends?

Perhaps you aren't as good as you'd like to have us think?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 04:33:33 PM
Are you suggesting that I'm one of the older members, who isn't up to date with current trends?

Perhaps you aren't as good as you'd like to have us think?

Yawn.  :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: sashathecat on October 02, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
So, what exactly are the current trends for dating in the FSU? Help us salty old dogs understand.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 02, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
 :'( :dh: :censored: :censored: :censored:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
So, what exactly are the current trends for dating in the FSU? Help us salty old dogs understand.

It's easy. You must be able to milk birds, you must look like Daniel Radcliffe's brother and you must have a haircut like Limahl from Kajagoogoo. You will have to sell your house and car in the US and move to a khrushchyovka without an elevator in Pohuevo, Kurdistan. Then MAYBE the girl will like you and you will get married if her local boyfriend allows, of course. Or her local girlfriend. Also you must be a sexually experienced virgin.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: sashathecat on October 02, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
I did not find it that hard to be honest. Sure there are some batches, but most of the FSUW I met were very nice. Most were down to Earth and although the scene has probably changed since the nineties it was still a much better place to look for me.

I am pretty up to date on current trends as all my wife's friends are presently dating and in their twenties. I would say it moreso depends on the clique you run into like anywhere else in the world.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 02, 2014, 08:47:04 PM
I always predict things correctly....

It's not difficult to predict that there will be an absence of productive debate.

It's easy. You must be able to milk birds, you must look like Daniel Radcliffe's brother and you must have a haircut like Limahl from Kajagoogoo. You will have to sell your house and car in the US and move to a khrushchyovka without an elevator in Pohuevo, Kurdistan. Then MAYBE the girl will like you and you will get married if her local boyfriend allows, of course. Or her local girlfriend. Also you must be a sexually experienced virgin.

I believe that this falls under the category of self-fulfilling prophesy.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 02, 2014, 09:38:32 PM
Previously I quoted some very reasonable posts by Omega and here's Eduard:

The fact that you are a foreigner is no longer a benefit rather a hindrance in most cases.

I think that the era when it was really easy to get a Russian woman interested in a foreigner to the point of marriage and moving to his country is over. Now days it requires a considerable investment in time, energy and resources.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 02, 2014, 10:58:27 PM
the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.

I always predict things correctly....

Is this an attempt at self promotion or wit. How disingenuous!   Longing there was a debate to be had, you avoided it at all costs!  Rather that open your mind, which you accuse others of being closed minded, you repeat yourself.  When challenged you ask the thread to be closed.  Never answered a single question.  Same drama three years back.  Mice run on wheels mate, you can step off.  Your arrogance will not allow you to get out of your own way.  Your experiences are hindering rather than helping. 

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 02, 2014, 11:02:38 PM
Eduard didn't mention that the financial strength of the typical foreign suitor could be several orders of magnitude greater than the typical local suitor and that an FSUM could much more easily replace his FSUW than could a Western man. From the other side, an FSU woman's financial and social opportunities would increase exponentially in her new residence. Much like you, Ed cherry-picks his facts very carefully. I suspect that you think that his comments are reasonable because you agree with him. That, however, is validation, not  debate.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 02, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Macedonia.  Debate over.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on October 02, 2014, 11:48:26 PM
Janusz Leon Wisniewski: "Loneliness on the Net."


loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1 (http://loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 01:54:35 AM
Welder, AJ, JayH, Slumba & others. I read all of u. I'm not ignoring. But this is  :dh: :dh: :dh:

And calm down Welder. U r a grown up man.  I didnt comment cause I already wrote volumes & volumes. It's enough! Sure, u can share ur POW. I'm not Stalin. I'm Tito. LOL.

From now I'll post short comments. E.g. if i find interesting stuff, quotes etc.

And I never asked the thread to be locked. TomT complained that it is: futile, long etc. and I was like: "U can lock it if you think its enough". I though he's the mod. But he's not. The Who were mods.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 02:09:23 AM
Janusz Leon Wisniewski: "Loneliness on the Net."


loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1 (http://loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1)

Спасибо Аннушка, с удовольствием посмотрю.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 03, 2014, 05:53:41 AM
Longingforthesouth,

I am 62. I turned 40 a few months after my divorce. Of course there were college age guys who determined because of my age.....I had to be clueless. From that time on I had the most fun dating up until age 51.....when I remarried. I still have a lot of fun dating....only now its with my RW wife. You talk about not using the same "tricks" now....we used back then. I never had any "tricks"........just commonsense, research......and a little "wisdom". My dating strategies never really changed......just the tools......writing, phone, skype. When I was 20......I never had a problem dating whomever I set my sights on. It never changed at 30, 40, 50
.......or 62. Some folks have good personalities....and other attributes that attract women. Others have "attitude"........and talk a lot......and feel self-important calling others "dated" and "clueless" and "out of touch. To the contrary........THIS GEEZER.....is anything but. The real test is not telling everyone what you are......but in how those around you (friends, relatives, coworkers etc.)...........regard YOU. I know I have the positive attributes to be successful in this endeavor because the folks I am surrounded by........tell me so....... 

If my wonderful wife were ever to pass before me.....if my heart were in it......I would not fear having to do so at 80. Yes, yes.......the rules are always changing........that is life. Do you think the rules change only in pursuing  RW ?......"all" aspects of life are everchanging. Many of us "geezers" are pretty adaptable.......you can't be successful.......if you are always stuck in your ways. There will always be younger guys telling older guys they are clueless........not realizing they are usually a few steps behind. I always thought my Father was stuck in his ways.....its amazing how much wiser he keeps getting......with each passing year. Maybe if and when you find a wife (RW or otherwise)........you may be as ecstatic as I am (11 years)........to be stuck in the past :-) After all.....being "stuck" with one RW......really is the goal here.......is'nt it?

Capt B 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 03, 2014, 08:38:24 AM
Nice post CaptB.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 03, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
They have russian versions of "Cosmopolitan" and "Sex & the City". Even poor smalltown girls want to immitate this.

There has been Dallas, Dynasty and various shows where rich people hop from
bed to bed and Western men would love to imitate this but can't.

Maybe FSUW would like to imitate this but reality is that they will end up alone if
they do, so mostly they don't. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 03, 2014, 09:20:48 AM
We have some members who are fixated on a particular theme, most notably Jay who goes on and on about old phaffers who lack [his] recent experience. A common feature of the former group is that, not only do they disregard any facts that don't support their position, they deny that such facts exist at all. As one might imagine, that gets very boring ("long of tooth").

I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 10:05:08 AM
CaptB thanks for the reply . It was a pleasant read. And thanks to the other guys. But we will never understand each other. I promised that I'll not bore you with long stories, but this is interesting:

Have you watched Austin Powers? A guy from the 60s goes to the future (90s) and tries to fit in.

Back in the 60s, he was a great womanizer, but in the 90s he looks like a clown. His clothes, pickup lines, slang, gestures and dance moves are outdated. Also, the ideals of beauty are changed. Compare Pete Townsend and Beckham!

Austin thinks he can still enjoy free love, not knowing that it can be dangerous in the 90s. His partner Vanessa tells him: "You can't just go off shagging anybody anymore... Welcome to the 90s. You're gonna be very lonely". Alienation. As the world gets older, it's colder.

Things DO change.

I'm not saying you are clueless. But it's normal not to be up-to-date. You do not spend days on facebook with people aged from 18 to 30, you don't go to techno parties etc. No offence.

And I disagree that good personalities attract lots of women and that they are appreciated in this world.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 03, 2014, 10:23:49 AM
Quote
And I disagree that good personalities attract lots of women and that they are appreciated in this world.

..and with that outlook, you'll be much less likely to find a nice person.That's guaranteed. So keep shooting yourself in the foot, then complaining things are painful and that it's difficult to walk.
 :chuckle:

What do you look for in a woman?
Do truly good personalities attract you, or not?
Do you think fundamentally women are so alien from men?

I can assure you the one and only thing I really have going for me is a decent personality and relationship skills, its been enough.

You keep saying folks debating you aren't up to date, yet seem to ignore their experiences are recent.When would they have had to be dating? This year only?
 
This reminds me of a small group of people that choose the career of storm chasing,and concentrate on that aspect of the world. They are sure to have bad weather as a part of their daily life.
The rest of the general population that chooses others career paths ,and things to concentrate on in life, enjoy a lot of sunny weather.
They are up to date on what weather will be like today or next week, and they do not ignore that bad weather exists, and is quite regular and normal, but they view it as merely a nuisance.

In the end you need to only find one woman that's right for you (and you for her).Approximately 1 billion women in your age range.
 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on October 03, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
CaptB thanks for the reply . It was a pleasant read. And thanks to the other guys. But we will never understand each other. I promised that I'll not bore you with long stories, but this is interesting:

Have you watched Austin Powers? A guy from the 60s goes to the future (90s) and tries to fit in.

Back in the 60s, he was a great womanizer, but in the 90s he looks like a clown. His clothes, pickup lines, slang, gestures and dance moves are outdated. Also, the ideals of beauty are changed. Compare Pete Townsend and Beckham!
This is simply a silly analogy.

Things DO change.
Very profound. Of course they do. But the more they change, the more they stay the same.


I'm not saying you are clueless. But it's normal not to be up-to-date. You do not spend days on facebook with people aged from 18 to 30, you don't go to techno parties etc. No offence.
I don't spend days on Facebook with people aged 18-30, I spend days face to face with people aged 18-30, as in every day. A RW aged 18 is lights years away from a RW aged 30, or 25 for that matter.

What a women/girl aged 18+ says she wants can be completely different than what she really wants; especially to some guy she only knows on a certain level.

What has changed is that the women are much more serious and discerning about things after age 22-23, and more serious in general than their American sisters about starting a family. By 23 the techno parties start to become boring to them. Doesn't mean they don't like to go out partying or dancing, it means that it doesn't have the same "pop" it did when they were 18. Again, nothing groundbreaking, or new.


And I disagree that good personalities attract lots of women and that they are appreciated in this world.
You haven't made a good case that you know more than others about anything. You're all over the place, but provide no insight other than to say you speak Russian (so do I) and that you've spent more recent time in Russia (I've lived in Moscow for the last 10 years).

And I disagree, good personalities "do" attract people; everywhere. Of course one needs more than a good personality, but there's no doubt that a funny, charming, interesting, etc. person attracts more people (women) than a boring, arrogant, dumb fool. Common sense tells me this.

I'm waiting for you to provide this thread with some insight to all your knowledge that "we" don't know. I speak to more RW than you ever will. And I disagree with some of your assertions, as scattered as they are to understand. 

So please, enlighten us so everyone can debate your points. So far you seem like nothing more than a guy who thinks he gets girls others here can't (:), or that others here are too old or outdated with their experience; something else I don't agree completely with.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 03, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland

No one said good people always win.
Only that good personalities do attract people in general.

Those who cling to the  alternative view and are so  jaded,
are going to find exactly what they *see* in the world,
since their very outlook influences their ability to interact with others.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
AJ, you mentioned recent marriages.

Congrats to you! I never denied that there are good FSUW!

However, how many WM were succesful VS failures? Statistics?

I read the thread Members married within the past three years (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21715).

And how many guys are there? 5? What a success!

Sorry for my irony, my friend. But the FSU dating does not give impressive results. The number of fails must be like gazillion.

P.S. Omega seems to be a clever guy. He asks good questions, he investigates. Tho I dunno him personaly.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 03, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
AJ, you mentioned recent marriages.

Congrats to you! I never denied that there are good FSUW!

However, how many WM were succesful VS failures? Statistics?

I read the thread Members married within the past three years (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21715).

And how many guys are there? 5? What a success!

Sorry for my irony, my friend. But the FSU dating does not give impressive results. The number of fails must be like gazillion.

P.S. Omega seems to be a clever guy. He asks good questions, he investigates. Tho I dunno him personaly.

Statistics may work anyway you want.  The woman I married was the first woman I chated with and that was almost 10 years ago.  So my approach was 100% successful.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on October 03, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Stop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!

And going strictly on your posts, it doesn't take a genius to understand why you're having problems. Stop blaming others (RW and their so-called attitudes for example), stop looking at the percentages of others, stop taking about Nikola Tesla, Beckham, Paris Hilton, or Austin Powers (:) (they have nothing to do with anything) and start working on why YOU are not getting the results you want.

Nobody has ever said it was easy to find the right partner in Russia, or locally for that matter. It can be extremely frustrating at times, but it all starts and ends with you, period.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 03, 2014, 01:03:36 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Stop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!

And going strictly on your posts, it doesn't take a genius to understand why you're having problems. Stop blaming others (RW and their so-called attitudes for example), stop looking at the percentages of others, stop taking about Nikola Tesla, Beckham, Paris Hilton, or Austin Powers (:) (they have nothing to do with anything) and start working on why YOU are not getting the results you want.

Nobody has ever said it was easy to find the right partner in Russia, or locally for that matter. It can be extremely frustrating at times, but it all starts and ends with you, period.

+1
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 03, 2014, 01:39:52 PM
I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc.

I'd love to read your DOCTORAL THESIS. Please post a link to the scholarly journal in which it's published.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 03, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
Quote
However, how many WM were succesful VS failures? Statistics?

I agree that  ratio has likely always been horrendous,
yet I doubt its changed significantly.

Was bad, is still bad or yes perhaps worse.

That said:
You seem to like research-
Do you have the statistics for domestic engagements that do not end in marriage?

How about for domestic relationships started that don't end in marriage?
 I'm sure its quite low as well.

Some member of the forums used to be a wedding coordinator, it was amazing just how many deposits he got to retain.. ;) enough that he really dint need anyone to get married for the business to be very very good.


To your point, yes, I would think cross cultural long distance relationships even more prone to disintegrating before matrimony.
The risk averse, shouldn't pursue a cross cultural long distance relationship.

The fact 5 members already posted within a day that they were married in the last 3 years is pretty good,considering the amount of active members, married members or members who have actually made a trip.

For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?

Hey i'm not knocking  it, I'm curious as well..
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Larry on October 03, 2014, 03:16:33 PM
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?

Hey i'm not knocking  it, I'm curious as well..

I too am curious about this. Perhaps a poll could be created.  AJ, how would you word such a poll to elicit the information you want to see?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 03, 2014, 05:08:42 PM
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?

Hey i'm not knocking  it, I'm curious as well..

I too am curious about this. Perhaps a poll could be created.  AJ, how would you word such a poll to elicit the information you want to see?

Probably with way too many words. :chuckle:

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Larry on October 03, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?

Hey i'm not knocking  it, I'm curious as well..

I too am curious about this. Perhaps a poll could be created.  AJ, how would you word such a poll to elicit the information you want to see?

Probably with way too many words. :chuckle:

As I was typing that I said to myself, "What the hell am I suggesting?".  :laugh:  But I can always edit it down.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 03, 2014, 06:17:51 PM
Longingforthesouth,

Even "young" guys can be stuck in the past.....or set in their ways (or opinions). Your "Vagina" is showing :-)

Capt B


P.S. Whoops....sorry about that. I think I was channeling "JB" for minute there.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Luftmeister on October 03, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Longingforthesouth is so  :censored: ing redpilled I'm going to erect a statue in the public square of Broville of him.

THIS. READ WHAT HE WROTE. So  :censored: ing this....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Stop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!

And going strictly on your posts, it doesn't take a genius to understand why you're having problems. Stop blaming others (RW and their so-called attitudes for example), stop looking at the percentages of others, stop taking about Nikola Tesla, Beckham, Paris Hilton, or Austin Powers (:) (they have nothing to do with anything) and start working on why YOU are not getting the results you want.

Nobody has ever said it was easy to find the right partner in Russia, or locally for that matter. It can be extremely frustrating at times, but it all starts and ends with you, period.

Austin Powers was a ridiculuous, but a great example of how things radically change.

And stop psychoanalyzing me. You know only what you see on the forum and that's not always the truth. E.g. some guys here pretend to be womenizers, but then why they travel 643673 miles to some KURdistan to find a GF?

They say "I dont have a problem to date locally blah blah". Well why all the trouble then? I'm not saying that you got a problem, but there are 1000's of WM who do. No need to pretend.

In comparison, most guys in my country date local girls. For them "holiday" means the Mediterranian or something and they wonder why would someone go to some Muhosransk in the middle of Siberia?!

I really felt in love with the russian culture, history etc. I traveled there not only for dating, but also for sightseeing, to learn the language and the mentality. I like to explore countries. And my people share some things with russians (tho there are some differences, of course).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 03, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
    No-- it would not make me "happier" -- look at the way replies are framed. The OP has obviously gone to a lot of effort to write that post as a 'think' piece and in my view it is an interesting piece of work .His conclusions are attacked and dismissed-- by those same people the OP mentions. Do they feel threatened by others with knowledge? With those that reach conclusions>? There is no evidence that the OP was on the forum 15 years ago to get the benefit of the collective wisdom- so his views are contemporary.
    In summary-- many things do and have changed in Ukraine since many here were there. That is virtually in every aspect of life and attitudes. Given that the OP comments were mostly about younger generation girls --that is something that some here would never connect with--let alone understand.One of the problems you have( although you are younger than the old phaffers I was referring to) is that a very narrow view of who can know anything is taken  ie  closed minds to others who do have actual on the ground current experience . The OP has made some observations -- a lot of which I would agree with-even if I would not necessarily express in the same way.
I am also heavily restricted on what I can say here as I am so rude and ill mannered-so difficult to give examples if I want the post to appear. :)
Jay the crude(not literal) summary, is that Longing believes the majority of RW are bitches, playing games with WM. Most of what he posts are of younger girls as you mention.  Where did any of the older members dismiss what he wrote, specifically?

Where did the OP debate his stance, recognizing that he would actually have to engage those posting in order to debate.  Not just repost his stance and blow everyone off as old, mean, blah blah.

Jay he posted the same viewpoint three years ago.  How do you reconcile the post knowing this fact?  OK, so he makes an effort above the average poster to frame pontification around a belief he holds.  So what!  This is the part I dismiss.  Anyone capable of critical thinking can see that this is an unbalanced, biased viewpoint.  To be clear that doesn't mean everything her wrote is wrong.  Quite the opposite much of it is correct.  That being said when you use that information without providing a bridge to his conclusion then the accurate info ends up being meaningless(as it applies to his conclusion).




Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Where did the OP debate his stance, recognizing that he would actually have to engage those posting in order to debate.  Not just repost his stance and blow everyone off as old, mean, blah blah.

Welder! It's simply not true that I have never debated with you. You are offending me! You accuse me that I never "answered a single question", but obviously you are not reading carefully.

I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 03, 2014, 10:33:18 PM
I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)

You are replying with BS to divert attention from the tough questions that you don't want to answer. 

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)

You are replying with BS to divert attention from the tough questions that you don't want to answer.

stop trolling you old man and review the previous messages. I have responded to several Welder's questions (not all, its true)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 03, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Here are links to my some of my replies to Welder. I cant answer everything. And I will reply to you Tom if you want so much.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381339#msg381339

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381343#msg381343

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381454#msg381454
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 03, 2014, 11:09:07 PM
The link to your thesis will suffice.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 04, 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Where did the OP debate his stance, recognizing that he would actually have to engage those posting in order to debate.  Not just repost his stance and blow everyone off as old, mean, blah blah.

Welder! It's simply not true that I have never debated with you. You are offending me! You accuse me that I never "answered a single question", but obviously you are not reading carefully.

I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)
Longing let's be correct,you haven't responded to questions with any new information, hence you haven't made an effort to debate/explore your posting.

You answer by rewording the original post meanwhile you do not answer the questions which are not convenient.

Several members are asking the same questions as I.  You, for your own reasons, have made a decision not to address them.  That's your choice mate.  It's cool but it doesn't add to the credibility of your opinion. You do recognize that, right?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 01:39:31 AM
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.

Yes TomT, we know that you like long things... hm...

I will reply to you, but I will not share my private life. I respect the US, Tom, but I don't like Jerry... Springer. I'm discusted by such vulgar american products. Some threads of this forum turn into "Jerry Springer Show". Couples argue in public, share their private life, while the rest watch as if it is a boxing match.

My life is not a reality show, but I can share some of it. That relationship ended 5 years ago and I don't give a f.ck about it. After that I had many others, but not so long. There were girls from RU, UA and local. There were also dates with West EU girls, who work / study here.

I brought up that relationship not because I can't get over it. I just wanted to say that I have experienced the ideal of the "Russian woman", which it is so much praised by the dating industry (beautiful, educated, housewifes). There are very good FSUW, but they become rare.

A vulgar Westernization is going on there. Pushkin and Lermontov are replaced by reality shows, false values, superficiality, bitchiness. FSUW are becoming independent and don't want to commit.

Russia is stronger economicaly. Foreigners are not "hip". Surely, not everyone can enjoy the prosperity! Milions live in modest if not poor conditions. However, even poor girls want to immitate the fancy ones.

But of course, there are still good women! And men! There are uncorrupted "islands" of Mother Russia, where people will feed you until you explode etc.

What did I learn in those 3 years of my absence? I dunno. Many things? I didn't sit on forums 24/7 and I was not thinking about FSUW all the time.

I had various activities: work, arts, journalism, education. I hanged in clubs a lot, played music as a dj in some, i followed rock concerts as journalist, chased women (with or without success). There are some who like sex with no obligations. Now there is no one serious in my life.

Also, during those 3 years, I did lots of eating, drinking, pissing and shitting and I was breathing air and watching television everyday.

Eduard didn't mention that the financial strength of the typical foreign suitor could be several orders of magnitude greater than the typical local suitor and that an FSUM could much more easily replace his FSUW than could a Western man. From the other side, an FSU woman's financial and social opportunities would increase exponentially in her new residence. Much like you, Ed cherry-picks his facts very carefully. I suspect that you think that his comments are reasonable because you agree with him. That, however, is validation, not  debate.

The financial strenght of the suitor and his country may attract gold diggers who want to marry a wallet and a green card.

Most young FSUW prefer locals. There are many happy couples. If some girl wants a rich man, there are such in the FSU, no need for a foreigner. If she's attractive, she will be spotted.

You say Ed cherry-picks. Well, he's a commercial member, but he tells how things in the FSU really are. He is shooting himself in the foot. Or cuts the branch he is sitting on. Or bites the hand that feeds him. Lol. That's honest.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that you are also in the dating business (agencies, sites) and maybe that's why you get nervy when someone criticises FSUW. Or maybe you are a biased, cause you married one.

Anyway, the "Russian bride" hip is over. Exceptions happen, but they are not the norm.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 04, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Longingforthesouth,

But........"exceptional"......is what we are ('were'... in my case)......looking for. Things "were" tougher in Russia.....back in the 1990's & early 2000's. Some Rw married a guy because prospects were better.....overseas. Yes.....some guys thought they were the "white knight" rescuing their damsel in distress. There will always be many.......who "choose".......for the "wrong" reasons. These "wrong choices"..... have existed....forever.......as they have 15 years ago......and currently.
Making the "right" choices in choosing a partner.......is the only real way......TO HAVE A SHOT......at a successful.....longterm relationship. Are the "pickens" thinner than they used to be. I'll give you that.... if it makes you feel better. It would make no matter to me.

I lived in Hawaii for several years attending the university. This was in the mid-seventies. A professor......who became a friend said: "....you should have seen Waikiki beach in the 1950's.......when I first came here". I am sure someone told "him".......you should have seen this place....in the 1930's......or the turn of the century. I looked at my professor and said:......."This is really......a beautiful place".

For the guys who will not be denied success......."ANYTIME".....is the right time. These people....."make things happen".  No "smoke blowing" here. Many will fail.
"Some" will be successful. The only "real waste of time".....is listening to folks who exspend huge amounts of time & energy......telling everyone else......how next to impossible this RW process is. Lack of finding a longtime partner......is not "proof" of the inevitable failure of those who seek an RW relationship. It is only the (negative) author's.........own result....in this endeavor. It does nor matter the current.....or past situation......only where you choose to focus ............your energy.

There are several folks on this forum who "almost" always......expound the negative.....of finding RW for a relationship. They are not here to "enlighten".....or educate. I get the feeling that they are here to.........."detour"......other folks from even trying. Their past relationship(s) might still be a painful reminder......of failure. If that were the case.....I empathize. But just remember......any successes here.......will be "painful reminder"......of "their" failures. We should empathize.....not criticize.......for their pain. BUT........we still need to give things......A SHOT........for ourselves. Successful people.....will always find a way.

Capt B
     
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: blast on October 04, 2014, 06:21:02 AM
Just after the future Mrs. Blast arrived in the USA :plane:, and meeting my Mom (in her 70's) in the car (closed environment) for the first time :scared0005:, My Mom asked me in front of the future Mrs. Blast:  "Why Russian???" :'(. 

Mrs Blast, being the wise RW that she is added; "great question Mom!  I've also asked him that same question without a conclusive answer, and so now we can both hear the true answer together!"  :drunk:

Mrs. Blast's wise response to this well intentioned little old lady's pointed question was exactly the answer!  :thumbsup:

Remember Longing, the RW that are searching have an equally long dirty laundry list of WM!  Mrs. Blast had been looking for me for 18 months (and had to kiss 3 ugly frogs :sick0012:) before we found each other!   :rolleye0009:

For her, she will tell that her on-line search was really just constant exhaustive culling of losers!  Her opinion of Italian men: "narcissistic and shallow", Eastern EU men: "Selfish misers", Western EU men: Overly close to their mothers"... American Men: "Boasting Self-centered Cowboys".  She will tell you that when she came across my communication with her... she couldn't find a reason to cull me.  This intriguing mystery caught her attention.

For me, I agree with the poor character list at the beginning of your post as being typical for women in general, but this did not deter my search for quality RW.  Why?  Because I could see the number of quality RW candidates were much higher than that of the local population of WW.  I also like ADVENTURE, so the cross cultural search added additional appeal!  I found there to be so much more to speak about with new acquaintances across the cultural divide!
 
CaptB is dead on!  tiphat The type of attitude a person takes during this "Challenge" (to find a quality life partner) is often reflected in their results!  Women will be attracted to positive personality no matter where they are from!  The attitude one takes along the journey often has a direct effect on where journey ends up!

As you claim Longing, the changes in Russia culture may be building the odds against any success with RW, but the rewards for a successful search are life-long! 


While it is wise for the newbie to read your thesis at the beginning of this thread, it is unwise for the newbie to hold to your conclusions!

For those on this blog considering RW, let them search with wisdom and understanding; And Let the Adventure Begin!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 04, 2014, 07:19:10 AM
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.
What did I learn in those 3 years of my absence? I dunno. Many things? I didn't sit on forums 24/7 and I was not thinking about FSUW all the time.

I had various activities: work, arts, journalism, education. I hanged in clubs a lot, played music as a dj in some, i followed rock concerts as journalist, chased women (with or without success). There are some who like sex with no obligations. Now there is no one serious in my life.

Also, during those 3 years, I did lots of eating, drinking, pissing and shitting and I was breathing air and watching television everyday.

Instead of posting the link to the thesis that I requested, you painted a picture of a guy in his early twenties, not one in his mid-thirties with a PhD. This creates the impression that you are dishonest as well as developmentally impaired.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 09:14:09 AM
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.
What did I learn in those 3 years of my absence? I dunno. Many things? I didn't sit on forums 24/7 and I was not thinking about FSUW all the time.

I had various activities: work, arts, journalism, education. I hanged in clubs a lot, played music as a dj in some, i followed rock concerts as journalist, chased women (with or without success). There are some who like sex with no obligations. Now there is no one serious in my life.

Also, during those 3 years, I did lots of eating, drinking, pissing and shitting and I was breathing air and watching television everyday.

Instead of posting the link to the thesis that I requested, you painted a picture of a guy in his early twenties, not one in his mid-thirties with a PhD. This creates the impression that you are dishonest as well as developmentally impaired.

Tom, the thesis is in front of your nose all this time. Here, on your screen, in this thread. You have no sense of metaphors whatsoever. You are superficial to the core. Guests now read this and laugh at you. Watch less Jerry Springer, Tom. And read some book by Pushkin, Dostoevski, Lermontov, Chekhov etc. That's how you'll understand real Russia. I spent time to write a decently long reply to you, but it's pointless.

P.S. If I really had a thesis it would be in my language and how would u understand it? But anyway...
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 04, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
TomT and Rosco, what do you choose to be? I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc. What do you have to say on the subject except defocusing?


Tom, the thesis is in front of your nose all this time. Here, on your screen, in this thread. You have no sense of metaphors whatsoever. You are superficial to the core. Guests now read this and laugh at you. Watch less Jerry Springer, Tom. And read some book by Pushkin, Dostoevski, Lermontov, Chekhov etc. That's how you'll understand real Russia. I spent time to write a decently long reply to you, but it's pointless.

P.S. If I really had a thesis it would be in my language and how would u understand it? But anyway...


It took your naïve Russian girlfriend four years to discover that you were a charlatan but it only took me a few days and it wasn't difficult. The first clue was your excessive verbosity but your incredible claim of having written a DOCTORAL THESIS in English removed all doubt.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that you are also in the dating business (agencies, sites) and maybe that's why you get nervy when someone criticises FSUW. Or maybe you are a biased, cause you married one.

Now Tom will tell us whether he is involved in the dating business (i.e. agencies, sites etc.), because he forgot to answer.

Tom, it's OK if you are in the business. It's not a crime. Why are you avoiding the subject?

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 04, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
I am not, and have never been, in the dating business. Even if I was, or had been, it would take nothing away from your dishonesty.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on October 04, 2014, 11:13:03 AM
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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on October 04, 2014, 11:14:37 AM

It took your naïve Russian girlfriend four years to discover that you were a charlatan but it only took me a few days and it wasn't difficult. The first clue was your excessive verbosity but your incredible claim of having written a DOCTORAL THESIS in English removed all doubt.

So longingforthesouth, umm, what do you have to say about that?  Seems TomT has brought up an extremely valid point.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 11:35:58 AM
Slumba,  already answered here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381566#msg381566). Don't blame me that Tom understands everything literally. If  I suggest Tom to see Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky, he would go there with a bathing suit and fishing equipment...
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on October 04, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
Slumba,  already answered here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381566#msg381566). Don't blame me that Tom understands everything literally. If  I suggest Tom to see Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky, he would go there with a bathing suit and fishing equipment...

Sorry to be a moron here, but are you suggesting that your online postings on this forum, constitute the equivalent of a doctoral thesis?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Boris on October 04, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
This reminds me of my first trip to Ukraine where I was joined on the flight to Odessa by a 50ish year old man in a fake US Army uniform topped off by a fake Special Forces Green Beret. He really thought nobody would notice. There are some truly bizarre people in this game.

Tom may have some flaws but use and understanding of the English language is not one of them. He expects that you mean what you say.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Sorry to be a moron here, but are you suggesting that your online postings on this forum, constitute the equivalent of a doctoral thesis?

If I tell you for example: "Don't give me that shit", would that mean that you are actually holding excrement in your hands and that your are trying to hand it over to me, while I refuse to accept it? No, that's called a figure of speech: a word or phrase used in a nonliteral sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage.

Example of usage: My posts are like doctoral thesis compared to Tom's oneliners.

You are a well-read person Slumba, you like Edward Bernays and you surely understood what that means (offtop: the band Bernay's Propaganda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivvDUE8Fz7g) from my country)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 04, 2014, 02:08:34 PM
Mr. Longingforthesouth,
Are you from Macedonia?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 02:13:55 PM
Да, я из Македонии. Я вам ответил на русском, потому что предполагаю что это ваш родной язык. I wrote in russian, because I assume that it's your native language.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 04, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
Да, я из Македонии. Я вам ответил на русском, потому что предполагаю что это ваш родной язык. I wrote in russian, because I assume that it's your native language.

Да, да, да! Русский мой родной язык!
Какой сорприз!!! Спасибо!!
Македония очень красивая страна.
Я там не была, но много слышала о ней.
Следующий раз, когда я в Европе, надеюсь посетить это сказочное место.
Очень рада видеть Вас на этом форуме.
Надеюсь Вы здесь будете постоянно.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 02:32:15 PM
Да, я из Македонии. Я вам ответил на русском, потому что предполагаю что это ваш родной язык. I wrote in russian, because I assume that it's your native language.

Да, да, да! Русский мой родной язык!
Какой сорприз!!! Спасибо!!
Македония очень красивая страна.
Я там не была, но много слышала о ней.
Следующий раз, когда я в Европе, надеюсь посетить это сказочное место.
Очень рада видеть Вас на этом форуме.
Надеюсь Вы здесь будете постоянно.

Спасибо за вам за приятные слова уважаемая Orchid! ) Приезжайте! Рекомендую вам летом посетить город Охрид на Охридском озере. Оно большое почти как море. Это наш главный туристический центр. Там есть древние достопримечательности. Российским, украинским и американским гражданам виза не требуется.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 04, 2014, 02:42:00 PM
Спасибо за вам за приятные слова уважаемая Orchid! ) Приезжайте! Рекомендую вам летом посетить город Охрид на Охридском озере. Оно большое почти как море. Это наш главный туристический центр. Там есть древние достопримечательности. Российским, украинским и американским гражданам виза не требуется.

Охрид звучит почти как Orchid.  :)
Этот форум пробудил у меня большой интерес к Шотландии.
Теперь вот Македония....
Похоже следующим летом я буду много путешествовать.
У нас здесь есть традиция размещать фотографии места где мы живем.
Идея заключается в том, чтобы увидеть это место Вашими глазами и узнать Вас получше.
Может быть Вы найдете время и сделаете фотографии Македонии для нас?
Это был бы большой подарок.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 04, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
Спасибо за вам за приятные слова уважаемая Orchid! ) Приезжайте! Рекомендую вам летом посетить город Охрид на Охридском озере. Оно большое почти как море. Это наш главный туристический центр. Там есть древние достопримечательности. Российским, украинским и американским гражданам виза не требуется.

Охрид звучит почти как Orchid.  :)
Этот форум пробудил у меня большой интерес к Шотландии.
Теперь вот Македония....
Похоже следующим летом я буду много путешествовать.
У нас здесь есть традиция размещать фотографии места где мы живем.
Идея заключается в том, чтобы увидеть это место Вашими глазами и узнать Вас получше.
Может быть Вы найдете время и сделаете фотографии Македонии для нас?
Это был бы большой подарок.

Почему нет) Я постараюсь загрузить фотографии когда у меня будет возможность)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 04, 2014, 03:07:23 PM
Почему нет) Я постараюсь загрузить фотографии когда у меня будет возможность)

Спасибо большое.
Буду с нетерпением ждать.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: sashathecat on October 04, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Great posts by Blast and CaptB. The advice they give is timeless.   tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: blast on October 05, 2014, 02:36:26 AM
Great posts by Blast and CaptB. The advice they give is timeless.   tiphat

Thank you SashaTheCat, but we also need to give  tiphat  our very wise уважаемая Orchid! 

Read her topic: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=20763.0     :reading: :reading: :reading:

On this link, you will witness another example of true RW wisdom!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: sashathecat on October 05, 2014, 03:06:11 AM
Great posts by Blast and CaptB. The advice they give is timeless.   tiphat

Thank you SashaTheCat, but we also need to give  tiphat  our very wise уважаемая Orchid! 

Da, I have been following Orchids thread. It is one of the better threads on the site. Quite a few parallels with my wife's experiences and a good read for the women planning on making the jump and those about to catch them.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 05, 2014, 09:11:31 AM
Thank you SashaTheCat, but we also need to give  tiphat  our very wise уважаемая Orchid! 

Indeed we do! I hope that Doctor LFS understands the irony of an FSUW coming to his rescue after his "thesis" about the bitches of the FSU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 05, 2014, 10:40:39 AM
Indeed we do! I hope that Doctor LFS understands the irony of a RW coming to his rescue after his "thesis" about the bitches of the FSU.

Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian. But the keyword is "ladies". Real ladies are rare. Many are taken. You'll rarely see them in my target age group.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 05, 2014, 11:46:12 AM
It's funny, women most everywhere complain of the same dilemma,
very few good family men, and those few are mostly  taken..

Should make a mans  search in the 25 to 30yo range rather reasonable, as opposed to lottery like.

You have a huge advantage in speaking Russian, and being nearby.
Doesn't make any search easy,but you do have distinct advantages over most searching there.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
There are no 'ladies' in Russia or Ukraine. There are many women. Some are nice and some are not. But no ladies.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 05, 2014, 01:08:56 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland

Tesla was indeed a genius. He made a tidy sum during his life and 20 years after passing had an SI unit named after him.

Hardly died forgotten in misery.....



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 05, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland

Tesla was indeed a genius. He made a tidy sum during his life and 20 years after passing had an SI unit named after him.

Hardly died forgotten in misery.....

Utter nonsence. Though that's not "misery" as in "starving children in Africa", it's still humiliating for such a great mind. He was allegedly broke when he died in a NYC hotel room. During his life he was underratted. Edison publicly ridiculed and humiliated him. He fought bitter legal battles, because some of his inventions were appropriated by other scientists. For some of them he was credited posthumously. Without them modern life would be immpossible, but still, many people don't know that he ever existed. Especialy in the US, where he lived and worked.

It's a long story with lots of controversies and you can do a research on google, but he's not the topic here, so let's not go deeper. Just compare his achievements and popularity vs let's say Paris Hilton. Or put here any banal celebrity you want. My point is that people who posses great qualities (be it: mind, talent, good character) are not necesarily rewarded in this world.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 05, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
Utter nonsense?

I know his work well so what's the issue? Your poor understanding of English?

As already seen regarding your Thesis, you say one thing but actually mean something completely different when questioned later.

Another nut job.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2014, 03:25:16 PM
I bet our esteemed thesis writer is another of those free energy nutters who fantasise abut Tesla's 'lost' inventions.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 05, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland

Tesla was indeed a genius. He made a tidy sum during his life and 20 years after passing had an SI unit named after him.



Hardly died forgotten in misery.....

Utter nonsence. Though that's not "misery" as in "starving children in Africa", it's still humiliating for such a great mind. He was allegedly broke when he died in a NYC hotel room. During his life he was underratted. Edison publicly ridiculed and humiliated him. He fought bitter legal battles, because some of his inventions were appropriated by other scientists. For some of them he was credited posthumously. Without them modern life would be immpossible, but still, many people don't know that he ever existed. Especialy in the US, where he lived and worked.

It's a long story with lots of controversies and you can do a research on google, but he's not the topic here, so let's not go deeper. Just compare his achievements and popularity vs let's say Paris Hilton. Or put here any banal celebrity you want. My point is that people who posses great qualities (be it: mind, talent, good character) are not necesarily rewarded in this world.

Thats life and true of many people, stars, Music, Movies, Athletes and such always get more acclaim,
Than many normal everyday heroes. Unless it is a field in which someone pays attention, most don't know great
amounts about many great people.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 05, 2014, 06:24:39 PM
Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian.

I think that being honest in only one language is superior to being able to lie fluently in several languages.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 05, 2014, 08:35:39 PM
Utter nonsense?

I know his work well so what's the issue? Your poor understanding of English?

Yes, my english is broken. If you want to date abroad, you must deal with it. Otherwise, no woman. No cry.

I used the word "nonsense" to express my disagreement.

- You: He HARDLY (not quite / barely / almost not) died in poverty. Me: No, he was broke.

- You: He was honored for his achievements. Me: Partially, as some were recognized after he was dead. He probably died bitter.

- You: He made TIDY SUMS. Me: Yes, but he spend on sci. In return, many don't know him, but they know Jerry Springer. And Tom, of course, cause he's a genius. A child prodigy. Wunderkind. Amadeus.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 11:19:51 AM
Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian. But the keyword is "ladies". Real ladies are rare. Many are taken. You'll rarely see them in my target age group.

There are no 'ladies' in Russia or Ukraine. There are many women. Some are nice and some are not. But no ladies.

OK, I meant nice women as in:  kind + beautiful + family oriented + well read etc. The FSU dating business is based on that ideal. It was blown out of proportions. Most WM failed to find it, cause in reality it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Also, RU economy improved. Foreigners are no longer hip. Young girls are same everywhere, they don't give a f... about anything serious and they live a westernized decadent "bitchy" lifestyle (with rare exceptions, who are ussually taken by local guys).

The FSU dating business FAILED. Sure, some WM found wifes. There're good FSUW and I've experienced that. But the number of succesful cases is ridiculous. And in most cases it's middle aged couples, single mothers etc.

I bet our esteemed thesis writer is another of those free energy nutters

If you receive my bills for electricity, you'd become one of them. LOL. The electro-distributors in my country are bunch of thieves (Austrian company EVN AG). Everyone curses their mothers, sisters and daughters.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Markje on October 06, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
Utter nonsense?

I know his work well so what's the issue? Your poor understanding of English?

Yes, my english is broken. If you want to date abroad, you must deal with it. Otherwise, no woman. No cry.

I used the word "nonsense" to express my disagreement.

- You: He HARDLY (not quite / barely / almost not) died in poverty. Me: No, he was broke.

- You: He was honored for his achievements. Me: Partially, as some were recognized after he was dead. He probably died bitter.

- You: He made TIDY SUMS. Me: Yes, but he spend on sci. In return, many don't know him, but they know Jerry Springer. And Tom, of course, cause he's a genius. A child prodigy. Wunderkind. Amadeus.

He's not the only one. I bet not many Americans know about Dennis Ritchie or Edgar Dijkstra, yet without them computer sciences would still be in their infancy.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 06, 2014, 12:25:55 PM

He's not the only one. I bet not many Americans know about Dennis Ritchie or Edgar Dijkstra, yet without them computer sciences would still be in their infancy.

I never knew Dennis Ritchie but my mother dated Dr. Hamming (the Hamming award).  And structured programming came with Dijkstra back in the 70's for me.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
I bet not many Americans know about Dennis Ritchie or Edgar Dijkstra, yet without them computer sciences would still be in their infancy.

I see.... So, they are the ones who are guilty for this "FSU dating" nonsense. If they didn't develop the PC, there'd be no internet. And no FSU dating sites. Lots of cash, nerves and energy would be saved. And less hearts would be broken. LOL.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 06, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
You sound like a very bitter individual longingforawoman.

Of course some truths lie in part of the nonsense you spout but I can't help but feel that you have had some bad experiences and you've got a few issues to iron out.

Agreed, this endeavour isn't for the faint hearted but in my experience, meeting girls from the FSU has simply been an extension to the dating pool. I'm perhaps a little too young to compare today's 'market' with what happened back in the good ol days but from what I've seen, there's more than enough pretty girls out there waiting for a decent bloke.

Would I do it all again if anything happened to my current relationship? Absolutely not but only because it's been such an intensive few years getting to where we are today. However, if I hadn't met my wife and  happened to be still looking around, I know there would be many, many exciting times lying ahead for me.

I just don't see the world as you do but then perhaps we play in different sports.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 06, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
I see.... So, they are the ones who are guilty for this "FSU dating" nonsense. If they didn't develop the PC, there'd be no internet. And no FSU dating sites. Lots of cash, nerves and energy would be saved. And less [fewer!] hearts would be broken. LOL.

Before the Internet came into general use in the FSU, profiles were compiled into printed catalogs and postal addresses were sold. Of course, being the intelligent and well-informed bloke that you are, you knew that.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Maxx on October 06, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
I see.... So, they are the ones who are guilty for this "FSU dating" nonsense. If they didn't develop the PC, there'd be no internet. And no FSU dating sites. Lots of cash, nerves and energy would be saved. And less [fewer!] hearts would be broken. LOL.

Before the Internet came into general use in the FSU, profiles were compiled into a printed catalog and postal addresses were sold. Of course, being the intelligent and well-informed bloke that you are, you knew that.

Also they used faxes.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 06, 2014, 02:38:36 PM

You sound like a very bitter individual longingforawoman.

You have a few issues to iron out.

there's more than enough pretty girls out there waiting for a


decent bloke.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 04:33:05 PM
You sound like a very bitter individual longingforawoman.

Of course some truths lie in part of the nonsense you spout but I can't help but feel that you have had some bad experiences and you've got a few issues to iron out.

Agreed, this endeavour isn't for the faint hearted but in my experience, meeting girls from the FSU has simply been an extension to the dating pool. I'm perhaps a little too young to compare today's 'market' with what happened back in the good ol days but from what I've seen, there's more than enough pretty girls out there waiting for a decent bloke.

Would I do it all again if anything happened to my current relationship? Absolutely not but only because it's been such an intensive few years getting to where we are today. However, if I hadn't met my wife and  happened to be still looking around, I know there would be many, many exciting times lying ahead for me.

I just don't see the world as you do but then perhaps we play in different sports.

The dating industry claimed that it would be EASY. They lied. That's the problem.

You searched for years and you understood that it's not. But many still buy the BS even in 2014.

It's funny that my 1st date in RU was an immediate success. I talked to a girl, packed and went there. She waited at the railstation at the exact time like a soldier. A teen student with a somewhat trad upbringing, but still sexy & funny. That's how my 4 yr relation began. Others were experiencing no-shows, scams, pro-daters.

I thought that all FSUW are good like her. I was biased like you are now. But when our love ended, I had to face that she was an EXCEPTION. An uncontaminated island of good old Mother Russia.

Not that I struggled to find a new girl. There were short relationships, sex etc. But this time the girls didn't want something serious.

Also, things changed (economy, trends, technology) and so the dating scene.

Now there are few girls (local and foreign) who are interested in me, but the point of the FSU dating was to trade for better.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 04:36:10 PM
Before the Internet came into general use in the FSU, profiles were compiled into printed catalogs and postal addresses were sold. Of course, being the intelligent and well-informed bloke that you are, you knew that.

No, I'm not that old and I've never worked for the dating business like you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 06, 2014, 04:54:33 PM
Quote
The dating industry claimed that it would be EASY. They lied. That's the problem.


You keep saying that.

So ok,  an industry you stated that  you did not utilize in any way...
 marketed a fabrication to other people.

People expecting things to be easy in life, almost always run into the fact that very little actually is!
In any case marketing to that common human lazyness works incredibly well.
:)

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on October 06, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Indeed we do! I hope that Doctor LFS understands the irony of a RW coming to his rescue after his "thesis" about the bitches of the FSU.

Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian. But the keyword is "ladies". Real ladies are rare. Many are taken. You'll rarely see them in my target age group.


Apparently if you are willing to go as far as Kazakhstan, your odds of success are better.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on October 06, 2014, 05:08:46 PM
Slumba,  already answered here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381566#msg381566). Don't blame me that Tom understands everything literally. If I suggest Tom to see Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky, he would go there with a bathing suit and fishing equipment...

 :ROFL:   tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 06, 2014, 05:14:30 PM
Are you that naive, they lied REALLY, WOW news flash.
You must be not able to watch TV, every 2nd advert is a lie.
You must have some pile of crap in your basement.

Think about what your saying, anyone that clicks on one of the dating sites
and buys it hook, line and sinker, likely deserves what they get.
When a little logic says your are searching for your future wife, in a place many have never been before
that maybe, just maybe  one should do a little research?
A google search, will get you this forum or others and a lot of information very quickly.
When about to embark on something like this, you think maybe a little reading & learning is a good thing?
Finding a life partner is not easy to find period, regardless of where you search.
You trying to give guys a heads up and help out is a good thing. You got burned a couple of times,
did not make the adjustment and are now blaming it on whatever you can, instead of taking a peak in the mirror.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
NS, so you do admit that most of what dating industry claimed is just a myth? well thanks God someone agreed with me.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
And NS, also note: It's not all about the money in life. It's not like I have been scammed by a dishonest agency or something. Oncontrary! I used only one pay site in my life and it was reasonably priced and pretty honest. The others were free. I just don't like people who put FSUW on a pedestal. Sure, many guys make mistakes, I don't deny. But lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder. This is simply not right.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 06, 2014, 07:34:28 PM
NS, so you do admit that most of what dating industry claimed is just a myth? well thanks God someone agreed with me.
Not hardly.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 06, 2014, 07:36:48 PM
And NS, also note: It's not all about the money in life. It's not like I have been scammed by a dishonest agency or something. Oncontrary! I used only one pay site in my life and it was reasonably priced and pretty honest. The others were free. I just don't like people who put FSUW on a pedestal. Sure, many guys make mistakes, I don't deny. But lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder. This is simply not right.
The guy screaming on the corner waving a sign, could be right, but most people think he's nuts.
That would be you. If if you have a valid point, on any of your rants. How you present, decides how valid
and serious people will take it, including newbies who read this stuff.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 06, 2014, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: longingforthe south
A lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder

The average married guy here likely laughed at an FSUW  trying anything like you claim,or they had it happen and learned from it , and laughed it off as a lesson learned , and not repeated.

Instead of once bitten - twice shy ,you seem to be once bitten -will no longer try.  :)

Thats fine,but not everyone will live their life that way.

Yes lots of men repeated mistakes a million times, a great deal of that is on them.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 06, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
C'mon AJ, my friend, I'm not blind, deaf and dumb. I'm not Tom.

Whenever someone justifiably criticizes FSUW on this forum, he's attacked from all sides, blamed for everything, called names etc. There's no point for me to paste quotes here, you know it.

Finally, that guy sees that everything is futile and leaves to do something better and more useful in his life than watching Tom everyday. It happened like 1000s times so far. I see the old topics.

It's clear that lot of the guys here are biased, because they're:

a) Married to a FSUW
b) They are in the dating business
c) Both

I'm not saying that you personally are a bad man, just stating facts.

And NS, also note: It's not all about the money in life. It's not like I have been scammed by a dishonest agency or something. Oncontrary! I used only one pay site in my life and it was reasonably priced and pretty honest. The others were free. I just don't like people who put FSUW on a pedestal. Sure, many guys make mistakes, I don't deny. But lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder. This is simply not right.
The guy screaming on the corner waving a sign, could be right, but most people think he's nuts.
That would be you. If if you have a valid point, on any of your rants. How you present, decides how valid
and serious people will take it, including newbies who read this stuff.

That's wisely said. Honestly. I presented my point the best I could. That's my way, my style. If some find it childish and ridiculous, fine. Cause you see, I find many members on this forum childish and ridiculous, though they are supposed to be serious middle aged family men. But anyway.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on October 07, 2014, 12:30:58 AM
I have experienced everything that longingforthesouth mentions in page one of this thread.  That is why I asked how many members have been married in the past three years.  The numbers were quite low.  Bill, there are not millions of available women.  Less than 5% are willing to relocate.  Manny and I concur on this.  I am not interested in everyone within that 5%.  It is a numbers game, and the numbers are rather low.  Most of the members here are over 40 and have dated ten to fifteen years ago when the world was very different.  For example, I have recently seen a number of anti American propaganda on social site vk.  You see most of the ugly truths on vk.  I think this member is definitely on point. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 07, 2014, 12:44:16 AM
Just a test here....I made a post and clicked the "post" many times and nothing happenned.

Capt B
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 07, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Longingforthesouth,

I understand questioning someone who has been....as yet...."unsuccessful". Technically "you" would be listed in this category. But to say now that someone who is successful (married to a RW.....in particular....longterm) ......is "biased" in their opinions of being married to and RW....is well....TRUE!!!! Why would a "successful" person "not" be biased.......to having success? We are all (hopefully) here to find (and keep) an RW. "Bias" ..........should not a negative thing here....when it comes to success in this pursuit.

Basically I see 5 categories of folks who are members here:

1) HOBBY. Those folks who are here for mainly entertainment.

2) TROUBLE MAKERS. Self explanatory.

3) UNSUCCESSFUL - Short-term.

4) UNSUCCESSFUL - Longterm. Many in this group have been at it for over 10 years and/or 20+ trips.

5) SUCCESSFUL. In particular....longterm.

Nothing is perfect. Nobody has all of the answers. But if you were putting your money into and investment seminar which cost $10,000.....who would you choose?

Capt B   


P.S. Longingforthesouth. I have to ask you what category do you see "yourself" in now......and what category...if any.....are you striving to be in? Just curious.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2014, 01:25:14 AM
I have experienced everything that longingforthesouth mentions in page one of this thread.  That is why I asked how many members have been married in the past three years.  The numbers were quite low.  Bill, there are not millions of available women.  Less than 5% are willing to relocate.  Manny and I concur on this.  I am not interested in everyone within that 5%.  It is a numbers game, and the numbers are rather low.  Most of the members here are over 40 and have dated ten to fifteen years ago when the world was very different.  For example, I have recently seen a number of anti American propaganda on social site vk.  You see most of the ugly truths on vk.  I think this member is definitely on point.

If you know that the numbers are low and your chances of success in whatever terms you describe it are low why on earth are you chasing after women where only a tiny minority have any interest in the concept of what you want and where only a minority of those have the shared communication skills to identify themselves as being a good match (or otherwise) for you and where of that small minority of a minority group most will not want to be with you anyway?

Longingforloneliness is a sad individual who seeks to feed off the pain of others but that does not mean that everything he writes is wrong. Just that sorting wheat from chaff is probably more trouble than it is worth.

But you, Omega, what do you want and why?
What is so wrong in your life that it can only be solved by seeking a woman who does not exist when there are millions around you who do?

Here's a thing, while you and others may rail against me for even daring to question the validity of what you seem to think you want to do, the reality is that those who DO end up married to some foreign bint do so, for good or ill, by virtue of knowing what they wanted and why.

So, what do you want and why?
Why is what you seek simply not available among your peers. I guess the corollary to that question is this: What can you offer that men from this part of the world can not offer to women here? What is your USP (Unique Selling Proposition)?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on October 07, 2014, 01:46:43 AM
Andrew: 


Thanks for the "dva kopeck".  I am not prince charming, nor do I pretend to be the ideal man.  I can offer the same as most of us here.  A serious, well educated, hard working man, family oriented and sincere.  I can also offer sobriety, dual citizenship and an improved economic situation. 

I seek in this area of the world chasing the ideal of a woman a couple notches higher on the scale of one to ten. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: leslied on October 07, 2014, 02:30:48 AM

Snip

the reality is that those who DO end up married to some foreign bint do so, for good or ill, by virtue of knowing what they wanted and why.

So, what do you want and why?  Snip


Sometimes Andrew posts really useful insights and this is a great example. +100

The nature of human relationships has not substantively changed since Shakespeare's time.  Sure the surface veneer evolves with the zeitgeist it always has, but the task of searching for a partner remains the same.

When I started looking in Eastern Europe in the 1990's, the MOB hype was the same as it is now.  I had no use whatsoever for a 1950's "Stepford Wife" so I was never phased by it.  I had several East European girlfriends who demonstrated the qualities to be found in Slavic women and I was attracted to the strength and Independence of character that I found.

When I started looking for a wife my early efforts were thwarted by my inability to define what I was looking for.  I was too easily distracted by long legs and pert popka's  :ROFL:

I made lots and lots of stupid mistakes but I learned from them.  This is one key to success: learn from your mistakes and don't repeat them.  I also worked out the type of woman I was searching for - a more difficult task by far.

I gave up on WOVO-  better termed as building a relationship by writing.  I simply visited Ukraine and dated women who fit my general criteria leaving out the young ones, the very pretty ones, the shop girls, and of course the pro daters.  This is also very important - Do not waste time on improbable prospects. Learn to move on and continue your search

Unless you are setting unreasonable criteria you will find a match if you persist.  I reckon ALL the married guys would agree with this.

Is the search harder now than it was in the past? In some ways yes, in others no.  There are lots of pros and cons posted in this thread.  Is it still possible to succeed?  Yes, of course it is and the success factors have changed not one jot!

Why a Slavic woman.  Be sure you can answer that question in your heart before you persist in this quest  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2014, 02:50:47 AM
Andrew: 


Thanks for the "dva kopeck".  I am not prince charming, nor do I pretend to be the ideal man.  I can offer the same as most of us here.  A serious, well educated, hard working man, family oriented and sincere.  I can also offer sobriety, dual citizenship and an improved economic situation. 

I seek in this area of the world chasing the ideal of a woman a couple notches higher on the scale of one to ten.

OK, so exactly the same as any educated, socialised bloke in Russia, Ukraine or the 'stans. As for the rest, well, so what? What benefits do you offer . Not the features! Chances are that your idea of improved economic situation is not relevant or big enough to catch anyone you might want to attract with such a lure, that you have two passports means nothing and, contrary to waht you might have imagined, most people in this part of the world are not raging alcoholics.

Next, why is it that all your advantages (the ones that you see yourself as having) do not work where you live?
You see, the chances are that if you can't find the woman you want where you live the chances of doing so over here are much, much lower. If you need to ask why then the point has probably already been missed but to repeat:
1) most women have no interest in foreign guys.
2) of the women that will consider a relationship with a foreigner only a few will consider emigration.
3) of the women who will consider a foreign guy and emigration very few can communicate well enough for you to build a relationship.
4) of those very, very few who remain only a few will be mutually compatible.

So, you are hoping to find a 'better' woman, one who also wants you, from the residue of a small niche made even smaller by the constraints that you will have set?

You need to find a stronger lure than being ordinary!

One thing is true though, with the possible exception of Ukraine (and who knows what will happen there) the number of women who seek a foreign husband in order to make a better life is through the floor. Ten years ago (and more) these women formed a surplus of supply on the market over and above the tiny numbers who would be willing to consider a foreign bloke as a husband. The numbers of women who were willing to self export by marriage were, in real terms, always very small, but now - miniscule. That's why I asked about what you could offer and why you were not succeeding at home because a bloke who can not attract a compatible mate in his own peer group is buggered if he seeks one from outside it! That's why you need to understand quite clearly what you are offering in your 'package' and that your offer is superior to that offered by local blokes.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: PBRstreetg on October 07, 2014, 03:46:37 AM
1) Nyet
2) Nyet
3) Da
4) Nyet in my opinion, you know as well as this guy with very little experience over there can make it happen. I'm trying to make it work, and it does take a lot of effort and money. Trips etc, have a little faith please Sir.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2014, 05:02:00 AM
I've read so much on this forum about the slim chances of meeting good, honest women and all the pit falls in between. I can only pass comment on my own experience and I have to say I'm not filled with all the negativity I hear about from other guys. I'm no male model with an oversized bank account but I always met up with attractive young girls in their early 20's and made a good impression. I'm in shape, reasonably young, have my own successful business, plenty life experience and find it incredibly easy speaking with relative strangers in either business or social situations.

I found my girls on pay sites and never once did I end up speaking with hairy Boris (for particularly long at least), get separated with my cash or get locked in an apartment for New Year. The world over has good people, bad people and those bitter and twisted from putting themselves in vulnerable positions through sheer stupidity and desperation.

The fact remains and I've said it before, there are plenty single ladies out there looking for their bloke. Just be honest with yourself in your search and don't go looking for the ridiculous. I was was about 28 when I started and knew I could handle an '8,9 or 10' and that's what I looked for. I dumped those who acted like idiots, I dumped those who showed little interest in maintaining contact and I dumped those I got a bad feeling about.

That said, I did have to chase my wife a bit but when I met her, I knew I'd found my match. People looking on didn't think twice about us and we look good together. We're both educated, ambitious, have a similar sense of humour, love and respect each other and enjoy looking after both our physical and mental well being. We're also both pretty strong minded and stubborn at times but then again, I always wanted my other half to challenge me as apposed to being an apathetic house maker. 

Hopefully I'm not trying to sound like Mr Perfect because that couldn't be further from the truth but what I am trying to say, is that there are still plenty good ladies out there and this negativity surrounding the FSU dating business only makes it better for guys like myself. Talking about this 5% nonsense, my wife never wanted to leave her own country and had plans to move into her first lawyers job. Her friends convinced her to put up a profile, which is fairly common for these girls who want to see whats out there in that big exciting world.

I came along, we met and she was then prepared to move so we could start our lives together. Not the other way round.....hint hint. So things might very well have changed but all this BS about how hard it is, says more about you than anything else. Coming on here ranting about how the FSU is full of bitches is pathetic and if only it were possible, I'd love to hear the story from the other side of the fence.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 07, 2014, 06:15:24 AM
Coming on here ranting about how the FSU is full of bitches is pathetic and if only it were possible, I'd love to hear the story from the other side of the fence.

Good post Rosco.  I second the portion in bold above. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2014, 07:16:29 AM
Coming on here ranting about how the FSU is full of bitches is pathetic and if only it were possible, I'd love to hear the story from the other side of the fence.

Good post Rosco.  I second the portion in bold above.

Cheers mate.  tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2014, 07:42:02 AM
It's inconceivable that an intelligent, erudite, cultured thirty-five-year-old Austin Powers fan who spends his days "eating, drinking, pissing and shitting... breathing air and watching television everyday," (when he's not on facebook, hanging in clubs or dancing at techno parties) would have any difficulty finding a serious girl. If we accept the fellow's aggrandized image of himself at face value, one has to wonder what's wrong with this picture. We also have to wonder why someone would be attracted to heartless bitches, why they would be attracted to him or what it is about him that turns girls into heartless bitches. When asked what he learned during the three years of his absence, he replied: "I dunno" and I believe him... this time.

His lack of introspection leads us to speculate about whether or not girls consider his attempts to impress by dropping names of famous people to be symptomatic of insecurity and vanity. Perhaps they are far more intelligent, erudite and cultured than he is, easily see through his ruse and consider him to be a poseur... a complete onanist*. Fortunately for him, girls have been known to marry complete onanists*. (There are examples from within our membership.) A girl would have to be compromised, desperate or sociopathic to do so, however. 

Indeed, many of us would love to read this story from the perspective of those "heartless bitches."


[Edit to add:] 

The forum software changed the word that I wrote to "onanist."   :ROFL:





Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2014, 08:22:13 AM
Rosco, thing is that you were realistic - at least so you tell us. ;)

Of course there are LOADS of women everywhere but most people here tell us they are seeking something to which they are not entitled and that makes things hard. When you consider the constraints - willingness to consider a foreign bloke, willingness to move, ability to communicate and finally mutual compatibility then the numbers are going to drop a lot but in numeric terms there's still a lot of people.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2014, 08:56:38 AM
Rosco, thing is that you were realistic - at least so you tell us. ;)

Of course there are LOADS of women everywhere but most people here tell us they are seeking something to which they are not entitled and that makes things hard. When you consider the constraints - willingness to consider a foreign bloke, willingness to move, ability to communicate and finally mutual compatibility then the numbers are going to drop a lot but in numeric terms there's still a lot of people.

Totally agree and there in lies the challenge.

My first shot at this had its difficulties and although we were a fantastic match, I know now that she simply wasn't ready to move. She's since told me so.

However, I was never looking to buy a bride. I wanted to meet a lovely woman who was open to the possibility of a relationship. If everything clicks then its up to us guys, to make this special lady feel that leaving everything behind is worth it. Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country.  :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2014, 09:06:37 AM
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country.  :)

There is a fine, but important, line between women who are looking to leave their country and those who are willing to emigrate to be with someone who is special to her.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2014, 09:14:32 AM
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country.  :)

There is a fine, but important, line between women who are looking to leave their country and those who are willing to emigrate to be with someone who is special to her.

And that line in the sand can be extremely hard to spot for the average plonker.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 07, 2014, 09:24:24 AM
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country.  :)

There is a fine, but important, line between women who are looking to leave their country and those who are willing to emigrate to be with someone who is special to her.

And that line in the sand can be extremely hard to spot for the average plonker.

Strongly agree with this
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
And that line in the sand can be extremely hard to spot for the average plonker.

That's true. Someone once wrote that his lady wasn't motivated to leave her country but her comments on EM contradicted that claim. I wonder if she will resign herself to her fate or eventually trade up for someone with average intelligence.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 07, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
Dyslexic Tomsk wrote me more than one sentence (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381916#msg381916). We should open a champagne. And I agree, there're some complete onanists here. Tom for example claims to be a family man, but he sits on forums 24/7. He turned into a virtual personality.

I thought that he is a mod here or that he's in the dating business, but he denies both. Then why he spends his life here, I dunno. And I don't care. However, I honestly thank him for writing more than just a spitful and bitter oneliner, which judging by the old threads, seems to be his trademark. Or maybe he's writing from an iphone which is uncomfortable. Perhaps he also makes selfies in his WC in Kurdistan.

Rosco, thanks for your debating. I thought that you are a troll when you posted some silly smileys. However, did you read my previous reply to you? Click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381822#msg381822). I don't struggle to find a gf. There were some very attractive young FSUW in my life. But only one of them was really serious. It's just that such serious women are rare.

You confirmed my point by admitting that you were looking for your wife for years. Why would one spend so much time / nerves / money to find a wife in a place, where there are "milions of attractive + family oriented" women, who "are dying to marry a foreigner". The answer is simple: Most of it is a myth. And here we are debunking it. Practically you helped the process.

Andrewfi, why am I a "sad man"? I'm actually happy that you practically confirmed everything that me and Omega are saying.

 I quote you:

Quote
why on earth are you chasing after women where only a tiny minority have any interest in the concept of what you want

The concept that Omega wants is the one that the dating industry was spreading for years: "FSUW are more family oriented". Omega was a real man, he went there to check it for himself and he faced the ugly reality. Have you read his report (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=20777.msg360208#msg360208)? He didn't choose some "fancy diva", but a single mother from Minsk. Ironically, she proved to be more interested in nightlife, drinking and dancing than something serious. And you keep on putting FSUW on a pedestal.

Then Omega met other women who admited that they don't want anything serious than having fun with him. These women, as we all know, are not desperate, they look great, have diplomas, good jobs and local choices and don't want to emigrate.

Again, the myth of the "FSU brides who are just dying to marry a foreigner" was smashed to pieces and you will not change that with some "philosophying" such as: "What do you really want, look yourself in the mirror" and so on...

Practically, you confirmed everything that me and Omega are saying. I quote you:

1) most women have no interest in foreign guys. (OK, we are saying that all the time!)
2) of the women that will consider a relationship with a foreigner only a few will consider emigration. (again, we are saying that all the time)
3) of the women who will consider a foreign guy and emigration very few can communicate well enough for you to build a relationship. (true)
4) of those very, very few who remain only a few will be mutually compatible. (true)

So you didn't provide any counter-arguments at all. Basically the majority of the FSUW do not want anything with a foreign guy (even if he's from a developed country such the US), except a handful of middle aged single mothers and maybe some younger exceptions that you must break your neck to find.

Then, I quote you:

Quote
Ten years ago (and more) these women formed a surplus of supply on the market over and above the tiny numbers who would be willing to consider a foreign bloke as a husband. The numbers of women who were willing to self export by marriage were, in real terms, always very small, but now - miniscule.

Exactly, miniscule.It was always low, but 10 yrs ago it was somewhat better. That's what we're saying, too.

Quote
Chances are that your idea of improved economic situation is not relevant or big enough to catch anyone you might want to attract with such a lure, that you have two passports means nothing and, contrary to waht you might have imagined, most people in this part of the world are not raging alcoholics.

Very true. Again you agreed with everything I said. They don't care about passports, nor about your personal qualities (cause such can be possesed by a local). Also, the FSU economy improved etc... etc....

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willingness to consider a foreign bloke, willingness to move, ability to communicate and finally mutual compatibility then the numbers are going to drop a lot but in numeric terms there's still a lot of people.

What "still a lot of people"? Middle aged single mothers with children of my age? Sorry, Andrewfi, I'm not interested in that category. I'm younger. I'll let you take them.

That's the whole misunderstanfing Andrew. When you open a dating site you see one reality on your screen, when I open it, it's another. Cause your target age group is more mature. On the other hand,  I see are westernized young girls who "just want to have fun" and nothing serious (with rare exceptions).

Also note that many wonderful FSUW don't use dating sites. Either they have better things to do (work, learn, sports, arts) or they're taken.

Shortly: The FSU dating phenomena is DEAD. It stinks. Even the commercial member Eduard, who earns his bread from the dating business admitted that: Click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381439#msg381439).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2014, 10:39:13 AM
Rosco
You confirmed my point by admitting that you were looking for your wife for years. Why would one spend so much time / nerves / money to find a wife in a place, where there are "milions of attractive + family oriented" women, who "are dying to marry a foreigner". The answer is simple: Most of it is a myth. And here we are debunking it. Practically you helped the process.

Sadly you misunderstood my situation, I wasn't looking for a wife for years. I was looking for an adventure with the possibility of finding someone special. Often when things go so well, marriage usually follows.

Sure the MOB business invents some kind of unrealistic expectations but then again, that's the power of marketing the world over. Do you think everyone who buys a sailing jacket, sails round the world through 25 foot waves? I however never believed in all that crap and used the facility to meet real ladies, in order to make my own mind up. I guess that's why I'm not angry or chewed up about it all?   

BTW, I invested very little time, money or nerves during this period of adventure and that's a fact. In contrast to married life, its a drop in the ocean.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 07, 2014, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: longingforthesouth
It's clear that lot of the guys here are biased, because they're:

a) Married to a FSUW
b) They are in the dating business
c) Both

I'm not saying that you personally are a bad man, just stating facts.

And you have no bias? :chuckle:

Your *cough* facts miss that I felt exactly the same way between marriages when I was single.
I knew quite well that there are challenges , pro daters, non serious women, sham agencies and affiliates,
 but I also knew that there isn't a lot to lose by simply meeting interesting women and see where it leads.
 It also seems incredibly easy to determine a woman's personality before meeting with just a small bit of effort.
Now whether you will hit it off in person is another matter, but its doubtful i would ever meet any of the girls you describe for a date. I never have in life unless i chose to for fun,or out of temporary boredom.

This venture has  always been poor odds, the odds haven't gotten better. Yet ,the sky wasn't falling then, and isn't now.

If meeting a women ,while not holding some expectation she will be your wife is a problem, then men shouldn't do this.

by the way- I know 3 or 4 local women ,originally from Belarus married within the last 4 years to western men, and have families.In fact very family oriented, back yard BBQ, walks in the park with the family, none go out to clubs or have interest in it.
Omega met a women that likes clubbing a bit, doesn't make her bad in anyway, just not compatible for Omega?
 Now since you keep using him as a grand example, as international dating not working in the FSU, and he states he corresponded with her for 6 months prior to meeting her and in just two days there finding out shes a club girl and demanding about money... isn't it somewhat unusual if this showed so quickly in two days, that he wouldn't understand her a little from 6 months of prior contact?

   I'm not trying to toss him under the bus, as maybe she put up a good charade?
but the Belarus women i know here ,  are married and are quite recently immigrated from Belarus, and someone met them and found them to be family oriented and compatible, How do you suppose that happened when from Omegas experience and in his words  dating in Belarus is over?
None of those men found that to be true,nor have several forum members.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 07, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
Quote
Even the commercial member Eduard, who earns his bread from the dating business admitted that:

Ed was angling that its become so difficult you need a guide, like him. His main point is that he speaks Russian ,so can make it pretty easy and plenty of women by the means in which he looks. Did you miss that part of Eds posts?
You seemingly speak Russian and have the same ability as Ed.
 
 I'm not knocking that method or ideal,but to hold an obvious advertisement up as an example , is odd considering you are frustrated  about bad advertising. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
There are a number of myths about the FSU. I posted this thread here
back in 2009 about various myths surrounding the FSU and FSUW.
We aren't covering much new ground here except that the girls have
decided to become mean angry b!tches

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=8883.0

What are the Biggest Myths regarding FSUW (Women from the Former Soviet Union)

All FSUW are docile, subservient, non argumentative creatures  67 (16.3%)
All FSUW are great cooks and love to make tasty dishes            27 (6.6%)
All FSUW love to cook and clean                                              32 (7.8%)
All FSUW are scammers                                                          50 (12.1%)
FSUW don't care if you smell bad, have bad manners, or
grooming (you seem more manly this way)                              37 (9%)
FSUW don't really care too much if you slap them around
a little bit since they want to know you are the boss                 31 (7.5%)
FSUW live in the third world and will be amazed at your
ordinary household appliances                                                31 (7.5%)
FSUW Like men twice their age                                               40 (9.7%)
All FSUW are ____________ (fill in the blank)                           2 (0.5%)
Bill is an idiot what the heck does he know?                             21 (5.1%)
All FSUW are EVIL !! run away while you can !!!!                      11 (2.7%)
Something else please explain here                                           1 (0.2%)
Another something else please explain                                      2 (0.5%)
FSUW are all Commies                                                           11 (2.7%)
FSUW are all Atheists                                                             10 (2.4%)
FSUW are all Angels                                                               20 (4.9%)
FSUW are so desperate to leave !!!!                              19 (4.6%)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: ECR844 on October 07, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
but the Belarus women i know here ,  are married and are quite recently immigrated from Belarus, and someone met them and found them to be family oriented and compatible, How do you suppose that happened when from Omegas experience and in his words  dating in Belarus is over?
None of those men found that to be true,nor have several forum members.

I agree with AJ above. I see it here all the time, and I've also witnessed the girls who were earlier described in the thread.

You find what you really seek, whether you realize it at the time or not.

Also as some of the other members have wrote, alot of what you can find depends on the 'personal lens' you approach your search with. To wit, if your unconsciously a douche with conscious and subconscious issues......You're likely to uncannily find the mirror of that in the results of your search. If you're looking to 'whore around' then likely you'll find yourself in the company of other folks with such proclivities. The same applies to a billion other possible 'approaches' and 'views' one could apply to the search.

The issue for new people remains that they get blinded with a dearth of available reliable information which they feel can necessarily equip them to separate the fact from BS and marketing propaganda, etc... Add to that the ready cross sections of folks from all across the social and mental health cross section of society and it can quickly become a full time job just filtering the info which applies to you and then putting it into effective 'practice'.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 07, 2014, 12:35:44 PM
2 Tall Bill, thank you very much for that poll, this is interesting.

Rosco, fair enough, I misunderstood, but not everyone has time, nerves and resources for such an approach: "I'll travel, have fun and if something happens - great, if it doesn't, who cares".

It's not a bad idea, I did that on few occassions. Like traveling for the sake of it with a possibility to find someone "on the way". And I met girls, there were adventures. But they were not serious. Relaxed approach can attract relaxed women. We cannot go into adventures all our lives. This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.

AJ You're a great guy and I respect your experience. But maybe we simply had different ones. I dunno. And I never denied that there're good FSUW women, but we rarely see them cause they're taken or busy or they don't use dating sites.

This thread sounds negative, because it is about negative things. Not all movies are teenage romantic comedies. This "cinema" of mine sometimes plays more tragical, darker or philosophical art-house movies, you know. Lol.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2014, 12:52:09 PM

This venture has  always been poor odds, the odds haven't gotten better. Yet ,the sky wasn't falling then, and isn't now.

 Now since you keep using him as a grand example, as international dating not working in the FSU, and he states he corresponded with her for 6 months prior to meeting her and in just two days there finding out shes a club girl and demanding about money... isn't it somewhat unusual if this showed so quickly in two days, that he wouldn't understand her a little from 6 months of prior contact?

Here is a brief and far from complete cliff notes version of 2tallbill's FSUW experience.

1. I met a girl in Odessa who tried to scam me.

2 & 3 I made two trips to Kiev and met many girls including two prodaters and a
girl who used 10 year old photos who gained at least 30lbs in the missing decade.

4. I made a trip to Lugansk to meet a girl that I never wrote about. In the end
it didn't work out.

5. So I make a trip to St Petersburg for New Years to meet a girl and it didn't
work out.

6. I met a Russian girl in Redding California and we dated for 6 months but
in the end it didn't work out.

7. I make a trip to Dnepropetrovsk to meet a girl. Eventually it didn't work out.

8. I make a trip to Georgia and I am alone after a few days

9. I go to Portland Oregon to meet a girl from Kiev who is flying to visit me.
but, alas it didn't work out.

10. I fly to Voronezh to meet a woman who I have been talking to and in a few
days it didn't work out.

I haven't mentioned All the FSUW I've dated. I have dated hundreds of them.
I haven't mentioned several local FSUW that I dated only the one who I dated
for 6 months.

At this point I could site my anecdotal experiences and proclaim that FSUW are
poison and should be avoided at all costs. However I didn't do this. I was either
too stubborn and/or too stupid to quit!

I have been extremely disappointed at different times. I have been very discouraged
at different points. However, I did the same thing each time. I gave myself a pep talk,
I dusted myself off and started all over again.

So after the Voronezh girl and I parted ways, I gave myself a pep talk, 
I went online to a social networking site and found a girl with enchantingly
beautiful green eyes and asked her to meet me for tea and the love story
of my life began right before my eyes.

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is
always to try just one more time.~ Thomas Edison


You see I never had a chance to fail, because I wasn't ever going to give up.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 07, 2014, 01:00:59 PM
Bill great truth in those words.
You could never fail, as you never stopped searching and adjusting
to find what you wanted. Looks like your hard work & determination
paid off :thumbsup:
There is the biggest lesson, right there.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 07, 2014, 01:05:46 PM
So ,in conclusion,  Beeel's too stupid to fail?
 ;D

I'd imagine that explains my situation at least.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 07, 2014, 01:09:00 PM
So ,in conclusion,  Beeel's too stupid to fail?
 ;D

I'd imagine that explains my situation at least.
 :laugh:
Many of us share this same quality mmm or trait.
I always said when I failed in anything, I am too stupid to do any different.
get up dust myself off, and go forward, its a new day.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
Bill great truth in those words.
You could never fail, as you never stopped searching and adjusting
to find what you wanted. Looks like your hard work & determination
paid off :thumbsup:
There is the biggest lesson, right there.

Excellent point NS

I should have mentioned adjusting, thanks for pointing that out. I continually
tried different approaches, who I pursued and how I did things. I frequently 
varied my search, my methods, my plans, my tactics. My only constant was that
I didn't stop looking until I found the girl.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2014, 01:13:16 PM
So ,in conclusion,  Beeel's too stupid to fail?
 ;D

If you can't outsmart 'em,
you have to out dumb 'em  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Chris on October 07, 2014, 01:59:16 PM

You see I never had a chance to fail, because I wasn't ever going to give up.


A FROGGY PARABLE

There once was a bunch of tiny frogs who arranged a running competition. The goal was to reach the top of a very high tower.
 
A big crowd had gathered around the tower to see the race and cheer on the contestants...
 
The race began...
 
 Honestly...No one in the crowd really believed that the tiny frogs would reach the top of the tower.
 
You heard statements such as:  "Oh, WAY too difficult!!!" They will NEVER make it to the top!!!"
or:  "Not a chance that they will succeed. The tower is too high!!!"
 
The tiny frogs began collapsing. One by one...Except for those, who in a fresh tempo, were climbing higher and higher...
 
The crowd continued to yell, "It is too difficult!!!   No one will make
 it!!!"  More tiny frogs got tired and gave up...But ONE continued higher and higher and higher...
 
This one wouldn't give up!!!
 
At the end everyone else had given up climbing the tower. Except for the one tiny frog who, after a big effort, was the only one who reached the top!
 
THEN all of the other tiny frogs naturally wanted to know how this one frog managed to do it?
 
A contestant asked the tiny frog how he had found the strength to succeed and reach the goal?
 
It turned out...That the winner was DEAF!!!
 
The wisdom of this story is:
NEVER listen to other people's tendencies to be negative or
pessimistic...  Because they take your most wonderful dreams and wishes
away from you...the ones you have in your heart!!!  Don't let anyone steal your dreams.
 
Always think of the power words have.  Because everything you hear and read will affect your actions!!!
 
Therefore:  ALWAYS be...POSITIVE!!!
 
And above all: Be DEAF when people tell YOU that you cannot fulfill your dreams!!!


Chris :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 07, 2014, 03:21:28 PM
Tall Bill, great story. I admire your persistence and positive energy.

However, you will allow me to repeat what I wrote to Rosco several posts before (they get burried, so you did not see it):

This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.

Yes, I am persistent, too and I did several trips and went through many situations (the difference is I have never been scammed).

But everything has to have a limit. I gave RU & UA my best years, lots of money and love. I met only 1 serious person, that I liked both physicaly and intellectually (my ex-GF, 4 yrs).

I met other beautiful girls, but they wanted adventures and got them. Other girls didn't want anything. Some were serious, but I didn't like them. And so on. It's futile.

Cause you see, the border between persistance and foolishness is thin. I can't be a "sponsor" of the FSU economy forever. I can't sell my property and kidneys, so I can travel to the FSU over and over again. Especially not to some Muhosransk in the middle of Chukotka. And I can't go through registrations, vouchers again and again.

Personally I'm financialy alright, but If there are no results, I would spend my money in other countries. Not for dating, but to see sights. We have many beautiful places here as well.

Also note that Rome, Paris, Vienna, the Adriatic, the Aegean and other nice places are near me (I mean relatively near, when you see it from the US). We don't need visas for the EU and there are inexpensive tours.

The problem is that I got HOOKED on RU / UA culture and women and I learned russian. I still respect that. After all we have slavic connection between us. But this pursuit cannot go forever.

I tasted the FSU and the women there, it's time to move on. As I said 458 times, I'm not searching anymore, just sharing opinions. True, sometimes I check dating sites just to see what is happening.

P.S. If some rw or uw wants to see me, she can buy herself a ticket. A visa is not needed. That's it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Lon on October 07, 2014, 04:36:53 PM

LftS
I will pick on the one statement alone ... it is easy to date a FSUW!  Most can be dated just by the asking.  Especially if only a coffee date, it will happen just from curiosity.  And stable and serious women ... as others have said, there are many!  I personally know a number, some I have met through my adventures and some through my FSU wife.
  I can think that might be difficulty connecting the two, dating and stable/serious, but you do not think that it could be the problem of the 'looker'?  A few here have suggested looking at yourself to see the problem.  Speaking for myself, I have had long talks with the mirror, others have said the same thing about themselves.

Tall Bill, great story. I admire your persistence and positive energy.

However, you will allow me to repeat what I wrote to Rosco several posts before (they get burried, so you did not see it):

This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 07, 2014, 06:21:57 PM
My best years are ahead of me.
My best memories are behind me.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
Yes, I am persistent, too and I did several trips and went through many situations (the difference is I have never been scammed).

But everything has to have a limit. I gave RU & UA my best years, lots of money and love. I met only 1 serious person, that I liked both physicaly and intellectually (my ex-GF, 4 yrs).

I met other beautiful girls, but they wanted adventures and got them. Other girls didn't want anything. Some were serious, but I didn't like them. And so on. It's futile.

Cause you see, the border between persistance and foolishness is thin. I can't be a "sponsor" of the FSU economy forever. I can't sell my property and kidneys, so I can travel to the FSU over and over again. Especially not to some Muhosransk in the middle of Chukotka. And I can't go through registrations, vouchers again and again.

Personally I'm financialy alright, but If there are no results, I would spend my money in other countries. Not for dating, but to see sights. We have many beautiful places here as well.

Also note that Rome, Paris, Vienna, the Adriatic, the Aegean and other nice places are near me (I mean relatively near, when you see it from the US). We don't need visas for the EU and there are inexpensive tours.

The problem is that I got HOOKED on RU / UA culture and women and I learned russian. I still respect that. After all we have slavic connection between us. But this pursuit cannot go forever.

I tasted the FSU and the women there, it's time to move on. As I said 458 times, I'm not searching anymore, just sharing opinions. True, sometimes I check dating sites just to see what is happening.

P.S. If some rw or uw wants to see me, she can buy herself a ticket. A visa is not needed. That's it.

You stated that you are persistent, then went on to explain why you've given up after "several trips."
It must be a great hardship for you that the FSU is so faaaaaar away!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: blast on October 08, 2014, 02:22:34 AM

This venture has  always been poor odds, the odds haven't gotten better. Yet ,the sky wasn't falling then, and isn't now.

 Now since you keep using him as a grand example, as international dating not working in the FSU, and he states he corresponded with her for 6 months prior to meeting her and in just two days there finding out shes a club girl and demanding about money... isn't it somewhat unusual if this showed so quickly in two days, that he wouldn't understand her a little from 6 months of prior contact?

Here is a brief and far from complete cliff notes version of 2tallbill's FSUW experience.

...

So after the Voronezh girl and I parted ways, I gave myself a pep talk, 
I went on-line to a social networking site and found a girl with enchantingly
beautiful green eyes and asked her to meet me for tea and the love story
of my life began right before my eyes.

You see I never had a chance to fail, because I wasn't ever going to give up.

2Tall... I wanted to ask why you kept going back to the same pool of RW? 

I am like you, in that my RW from KZ didn't work out, but I went back and found Mrs Blast in Nizhniy Novgorod.

Even the easy time has passed (finding quality RW to date an marry), why would you keep going back to the RW pool? 

When I was having problems with RW from KZ toward the end of the marriage, a friend told me he had dated 3 RW in the US, and decided he would never do this again (all were stalitchna).

But I was deaf to this, and now I am happy that I was indeed deaf to this.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 08, 2014, 03:14:22 AM
Longingforthesouth, not everything is about you. I was not discussing you or referring to you when I was replying to Omega and trying to provide some insight.

Oddly enough, a while back I kinda wrote the book on what you have just caught on to. Look it up there's looong threads about it on this very forum and elsewhere on the Internets (http://search.flashpeak.com/en/search.php?cx=partner-pub-5407379686813071%3A8046999746&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=%22death+of+a+russian+bride%22&sbSource=sblinksbar&customtag=&sa=Google+Search).

Every now and then along comes some bloke who thinks he just invented fire. Well, whoop de doo! Let me show you my box of matches.

The thing is though that your attitude sucks big balls.
It is no surprise that you have not found that which you sought and, even though the FSU mail order bride business as a means to find a wife is dead that does not mean that people do not still meet and find a way to live a life together. They just have to be more smart, understand what they are doing, what outcomes they seek and why. That their search is a pointless and wasteful one is pretty much irrelevant. We, as humans do many irrational things.

So, longingforsomething rather than blaming the world for your loneliness, strap on a set of balls, do some introspection, understand what you want and that what you get is the result of what YOU do and go do it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 08, 2014, 05:20:40 AM
This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.

I think only the most simple of people would believe that meeting women from across the globe, with a view to marriage, would be simple. I'm also surprised that someone as intelligent as yourself would believe that shit too.

As Lon mentioned, dating these women is incredibly easy. Meeting the right one who shows the same enthusiasm to pursue a relationship is a tad more difficult. If you truly believe that men pick women out of a catalogue, then ask them to leave their lives behind to go and tidy up after you and push kids out.....then no wonder you see the negative aspects.

Finding someone closer to home is equally as hard, its just that distance is your enemy and mongaloids tarnish the image for the western man in the FSU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 08, 2014, 06:33:50 AM
Andrew....are you trying to occupy "JB's" vacated seat here ? :-)

I just hit the "post" button......and my post disappeared.....for the second time this week. I was going to write an abbreviated "replacement" post (the first was rather lengthy).......but I think I may start a new thread later tonite......on whether or not the FSU dating pool has really dried up.

Capt B
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 08, 2014, 09:04:41 AM
Andrew....are you trying to occupy "JB's" vacated seat here ? :-)

I just hit the "post" button......and my post disappeared.....for the second time this week. I was going to write an abbreviated "replacement" post (the first was rather lengthy).......but I think I may start a new thread later tonite......on whether or not the FSU dating pool has really dried up.

Capt B

Please read what I wrote.
If you honestly think that there is any significant number of 'real' women in Russia who are actively seeking a foreign husband from overseas that is in surplus to the normal very low numbers who are willing to consider such a scenario then please present some objective evidence. You might want to explain why the mail order bride business in Russia, The Baltics, Czech Republic etc has closed down if there is still significant demand for their services from women in those countries. Ukraine, in terms of 'genuine' women seemed to have gone the same way (girl not present fraud, lack of real women and frauds that do not rely upon the woman leaving the country) but may see a return in the coming months now that the Ukraine economy has closed down.

There will always be some people who will move country to marry and no sensible person would say otherwise. The surplus that applied a decade and more ago due to socio-economic factors is now gone.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 08, 2014, 09:45:29 AM
Rosco, I hope you saw my reply to you (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381961#msg381961).

Andrewfi, true, you were writing to Omega, but this is not a private 2-way correspondence.

I never said I "invented the hot water", but it doesn't mean I have no right to voice my opinion. I didn't know about your books and videos. I will check them out, thanks.

Don't judge me, you don't know all about me. And how I treat women, what happened in my life etc. This forum is like a pub, where drunk men often communicate in a rough way. I checked old threads, it was always like this. So don't blame me for having a "bad attitude".

If you noticed, I'm friendly with those who are OK with me. And I have no problems to communicate with FSUW even in russian.

Yes, I have balls, I made my feet wet almost 10 yrs ago. I went through crazy situations and saw many nice and not so nice places. I had attractive fsuw, but also disappointments and failures. And that's fine, but every thing must have it's limit.

I will not do any "introspections", because I'm not searching anymore. I don't care. Now it's time for FSUW to look in the mirror and ask themselves what they want, cause many don't know and nothing is good enough for them.

You don't see that, because you and me have different target age groups. If you check the trends among the younger FSUW (e.g. on the soc networks) and if you hang with them in real life, maybe you would understand what I mean.

I experienced that part of the world, met good people who were helping me, feeding me, I was a guest at their homes and I also faced some problems there. It's enough.

Now I have many other things to worry about (work, education etc.). Also, there are other countries that deserve attention, it's not only the FSU (here I'm not talking about dating, but sightseeing, exploring).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2014, 09:52:26 AM
I will not do any "introspections", because I'm not searching anymore. I don't care.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 08, 2014, 09:55:26 AM
2Tall... I wanted to ask why you kept going back to the same pool of RW? 

I don't think I went back to the same exact pool. I varied cities, countries, age ranges,
single parents vs childless, divorced vs never married. English skills and a multitude
of other variables. There couldn't be a bigger difference between the Georgian girl and
the Odessa girl for example.

However, I kept going back to FSUW for many reasons. Probably too many to list
but here are a few.

I like slim but athletically built women.
I like the femininity of FSUW.
I like their bluntness, I find it quite refreshing. 
I like their lack of political correctness
I could list at least another 45 things

a friend told me he had dated 3 RW in the US, and decided he would never do this again

FSUW aren't for everyone. They aren't even for most men. They are definitely not
for entry level daters.

Guys have looked at me and said "how do I get one of those?" and although I didn't
say it, the truth is that they can't. They wouldn't have a chance. Even if they found a
perfect girl on their first trip (which they wouldn't) they wouldn't be able to pull it off.

They would be keyboard Romeos and would never get on a plane. They wouldn't learn
more than 6 words of Russian and would be intimidated by everything. The first time
an FSUW laid into them they would be curled up into a ball on the floor in the corner
and their thumb would be all white and wrinkly  ;D

Usually when they say "how do I get one of those Russian chicks?" I ask, "do you
have a passport?" If no, I say "call me when you do" if yes I say "Go to the website
GotoRussia.com and get a 3 year multi entry visa, then call me when you get it and
I will walk you through whole thing" So far no takers.

I did refer a few guys to the forum with links to some of my trip reports, but after
reading them they admit that there is no way that they can do it. One of my friends
wrote a few girls then quit and another friend called a few on the phone and then
quit.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 08, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
I must be the exception.  It was never difficult for me to find someone.  I also think that Russian women, in many ways are the same as American woman.  With the exception that RW are more beautiful, less demanding, not overweight, and very family oriented. Oh, did I say more beautiful?

Why do you all try to make it sound so difficult?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 08, 2014, 11:38:21 AM
I must be the exception.  It was never difficult for me to find someone.  I also think that Russian women, in many ways are the same as American woman.  With the exception that RW are more beautiful, less demanding, not overweight, and very family oriented. Oh, did I say more beautiful?

Why do you all try to make it sound so difficult?

Yankee, it was never difficult for me to find someone. Let's not distort things as if I'm here "to whine". No, I'm here to express opinions. The problem is that I wasn't looking for any girl.

Though one must have realistic expectations, that does not mean he must accept anything (unless he's really desperate and his "clock" is ticking and I'm not one of those people). I wouldn't travel 1000s of miles to meet some average or unattractive girl.

Everyone has his own criterias and tastes. I can have a local gf, but my aim was to trade for better in the FSU.

However, as we have already elaborated, the majority of young FSUW are not serious. The keyword is "young".

Yankee, I dunno how old are you, you don't have to tell me, but my target age group are not single mothers in their 40's or 50's, but younger girls.

Most FSUW in their 20's and even early 30's just want to have fun and if they're reasonably attractive, they can always find a FSU guy if they need a steady bf. There're exceptions to every rule, but they're rare.

I found only 1 girl who fullfilled my criterias of: young + beauty + intellect + stable and I was with her for 4 years.

The other girls that I met were also young, had good looks and in most cases brains as well, but they were not serious. They just wanted fun and I gave them what they asked for.

The misunderstanding on this forum maybe stems from the fact that each of us pursues a different age group. Of course, it's easier to find more stable women in the more mature category, but I'm not interested in it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 08, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
I must be the exception.  It was never difficult for me to find someone.  I also think that Russian women, in many ways are the same as American woman.  With the exception that RW are more beautiful, less demanding, not overweight, and very family oriented. Oh, did I say more beautiful?

Why do you all try to make it sound so difficult?

Yankee, it was never difficult for me to find someone. Let's not distort things as if I'm here "to whine". No, I'm here to express opinions. The problem is that I wasn't looking for any girl.


I was not criticizing you!  It was just a comment to all that post here.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 08, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
Maybe my post sounded "harsh" to you as if I'm angry. Misunderstanding. Lol.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 08, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
Andrew......I was not addressing "attitude"......not the content........of a few posts with other members. You did se the :-) at the end of the sentence.....just a little humor.

Later this evening I will address my proposition that "certain types" of RW are still as available as they were a dozen years. I believe that the M.O. business is pretty much dead. If a huge portion of men were realistic in their pursuit....then some agencies could stay in business. A certain "portion" of the RW population exist on a much smaller scale (desperate).....but another portion still exist in numbers almost to the extent of years past. How the numbers are perceived depends on......the "type" of guy looking.

Capt B
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on October 09, 2014, 08:34:10 AM
Andrew:   


I am here, and I am persistent in my search because in that 5% willing to relocate, I hope to find a good woman a couple of notches more attractive than what I can find here locally in Miami.  It is a difficult search because we are dealing with low numbers. 

I understand you believe this industry is over.  As you stated in a previous post it is like the buggy driver at the turn of the twentieth century with the advent of the automobile.  This is a valid point and I respect your opinion, and I believe it is mainly over also. 

Let me ask you something.  If you believe this endeavor to be officially dead, then why participate in a forum about its very existence? 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 09, 2014, 08:51:42 AM
Andrew:   


I am here, and I am persistent in my search because in that 5% willing to relocate, I hope to find a good woman a couple of notches more attractive than what I can find here locally in Miami.  It is a difficult search because we are dealing with low numbers. 

I understand you believe this industry is over.  As you stated in a previous post it is like the buggy driver at the turn of the twentieth century with the advent of the automobile.  This is a valid point and I respect your opinion, and I believe it is mainly over also. 

Let me ask you something.  If you believe this endeavor to be officially dead, then why participate in a forum about its very existence?

Dunno if you noticed but this is a community and not everyone is looking for a wife. If that were a criterion for being able to read or post this forum would not be here to assist you.

You may have not noticed but I have not suggested that finding a foreign bride is not possible - simply that the surplus available due to socio-economic factors has largely ceased to exist. But what on earth makes you think that you can find a 'better' woman over here than you can in your country? The truth is that you can't.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2014, 10:59:52 AM

I am here, and I am persistent in my search because in that 5% willing to relocate, I hope to find a good woman a couple of notches more attractive than what I can find here locally in Miami.  It is a difficult search because we are dealing with low numbers. 

My fiancee never belonged to a MOB site. She never considered moving to another
country. She expected that she would live in Russia for the rest of her life. It's her
language, culture, history, music. All her family and friends live there. She never considered leaving. She was one of the 95%

Then one day, I popped up and asked her to meet me for tea. I wooed and romanced
her and won her heart. I was searching the 95% and not the 5%


I understand you believe this industry is over.  As you stated in a previous post it is like the buggy driver at the turn of the twentieth century with the advent of the automobile.  This is a valid point and I respect your opinion, and I believe it is mainly over also. 

I think that the agency days are numbered. I do think that an enterprising man
who is willing to put in the time, effort and money can be successful. The industry
was always about sucking money. Some were more legit than others but that was
the primary goal of 99.9% of the agencies. 

Now with social networking and local dating sites accessible by foreign men what's
the advantage to dumping money into these blood sucking agencies?

My advice is to start out all over again, with a fresh outlook. Reevaluate every
step. Make a new list of priorities. What exactly kind of girl do you want? Make
a list.

Everyone wants a thin, attractive girl so put that down, on your list at the bottom.
You aren't going to write any unattractive, fat girls with Mohawk haircuts, facial hair,
or lip tattoos so that is why you put it at the bottom. You are only going to write women
that you are attracted to so that is a given already.

The remaining items on your list are making sure she is a keeper for the long run.

Secondly make a list of traits that win automatic dumpster diver diva status.
1. She lies, she gets dumped
2. She starts making excuses, dumpster time 
3. She flakes, and a click of the mouse and she is history.

You have your fresh perspective. You have two lists, one positive and one negative.
Now you need to decide visit one or visit many.

With a visit one plan you weed out many girls before meeting her. Then you meet her
to see if you have chemistry. With a visit many plan you find out if you have chemistry
first.

In both cases it's a numbers game and the more girls you contact and sort through the
better your chances for success. In a visit one scenario, visit many is your backup plan.


Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 09, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
 If someone is open to dating locally , and  simply expanding their  dating pool to include Canada, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia , etc
 I'd like  someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
 
Same as if i was flying into LA , NYC, London, Munich or Toronto to meet some woman I had communicated with,  and seem to hit it off..
 I don't really care what percent ,in any given city, are interested in some general concept of relocation or not, that seems WAY ahead of the game?
Nor do I care if there are 5 million, or 500, interested in some general concept, because I'm not dating a million women, or a generality.
  I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.

There are certainly some available, in any of the cities i mentioned, including the FSU,  and that's all that truly relevant to my search.
Sure ,some places might have more,  or  far less, interested in me specifically , yet if i'm dating locally anyway, why does that matter?
 I'd still be increasing my chances of finding someone interested.
 How much those chances are actually increased is what  seems debated in this thread,and whether that increase is worth any effort.
 I just find it odd , if you are doing your normal dating routine anyway, how adding some possibilities, however remote,  would be difficult or negative.
 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: yankee on October 09, 2014, 11:49:40 AM
If someone is open to dating locally , and  simply expanding their  dating pool to include Canada, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia , etc
 I'd like  someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
 
Same as if i was flying into LA , NYC, London, Munich or Toronto to meet some woman I had communicated with,  and seem to hit it off..
 I don't really care what percent ,in any given city, are interested in some general concept of relocation or not, that seems WAY ahead of the game?
Nor do I care if there are 5 million, or 500, interested in some general concept, because I'm not dating a million women, or a generality.
  I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.

There are certainly some available, in any of the cities i mentioned, including the FSU,  and that's all that truly relevant to my search.
Sure ,some places might have more,  or  far less, interested in me specifically , yet if i'm dating locally anyway, why does that matter?
 I'd still be increasing my chances of finding someone interested.
 How much those chances are actually increased is what  seems debated in this thread,and whether that increase is worth any effort.
 I just find it odd , if you are doing your normal dating routine anyway, how adding some possibilities, however remote,  would be difficult or negative.

+1
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 09, 2014, 11:54:54 AM
Bill, Aj I agree.
My wife was never on a mob site or even social networking site.
I believe the industry is changing/ evolving to what the demands of the 21st century require.
Some sites can and will make those adjustments, some will die and be gone.

After my first trip, I looked at in a simple matter, not why go there versus here.
But why narrow my options to the small city I live in. Simple, city 400,000 people.
World 7 billion. Yes challenges exist, along with travel, language etc.
Other than that I was just increasing my odds.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Isthmus on October 09, 2014, 04:11:10 PM
If someone is open to dating locally , and  simply expanding their  dating pool to include Canada, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia , etc
 I'd like  someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
 
Same as if i was flying into LA , NYC, London, Munich or Toronto to meet some woman I had communicated with,  and seem to hit it off..
 I don't really care what percent ,in any given city, are interested in some general concept of relocation or not, that seems WAY ahead of the game?
Nor do I care if there are 5 million, or 500, interested in some general concept, because I'm not dating a million women, or a generality.
  I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.

There are certainly some available, in any of the cities i mentioned, including the FSU,  and that's all that truly relevant to my search.
Sure ,some places might have more,  or  far less, interested in me specifically , yet if i'm dating locally anyway, why does that matter?
 I'd still be increasing my chances of finding someone interested.
 How much those chances are actually increased is what  seems debated in this thread,and whether that increase is worth any effort.
 I just find it odd , if you are doing your normal dating routine anyway, how adding some possibilities, however remote,  would be difficult or negative.

+1

+2
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 09, 2014, 05:28:28 PM
AJ,

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I'd like  someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?

Sure everyone can get at least one date in the FSU. There must be something really wrong with him not to get it! However, that is not enough. You must have as much women as possible in your phonebook as a backup plan. Finding 1, 2 or even 3 is not enough.

Also, these women may be from different cities, even countries, which may complicate things. It is dificult. Finally, I wouldn't go there for any woman, I'm not that desperate. She must be really special to deserve that trouble.

We've already elaborated this. You lived / worked in the FSU and you've been married to an UW in the past. The FSU was not something new to you, when you went there to find your current wife. Other guys on this forum have similar stories.

Also, you met her through an agency. I'd like to know about this method. I've never used agencies and I don't know sh. about them. I met my 1st FSU gf through a honest paysite. The other FSU gf's that I had were from free ru sites and soc networks.

The majority of WM don't have your experience. Their first encounter with the FSU is on dating sites. They must travel to an uknown country (for many it's a 1st trip abroad). There, things are not like in the West, so they face all kinds of challenges, (un)pleasant surprises and culture shocks. So, it is dificult. Not like being in a GULAG, but still.

For me it was not so difficult, but I'm not an American or Canadian and I could learn russian more easily than them (we use cyrillic, our language is in the slavic group and our religion is orthodox). Still, that alone doesn't help all the way.

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I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.

Not everyone has time and resources for: "She seems nice, let's go there and see where it leads". It may lead to nothing, even if you did everything to know the person as good as possible (you communicated a lot, skyped).

In reality, she may show her "true colors" which can be not so nice. There may be romance, sex, visiting sights, but it may not end with something serious. Or there may be no "chemistry". So much trouble for nothing.

Yes, I was adventourous and I didn't have a problem to go to the end of the world if the woman was interesting. But we cannot go into adventures all our lives.

There're serious WM who have a clear purpose to get married and they don't have time / nerves / money for "experiments". They've been told by the dating industry that milions of FSUW are "marriage-minded, more family oriented, more stable" etc. and that's why they choose that part of the world. If it's the same like in the US, CA etc., then why the trouble.

The whole point was that "1000s of women are waiting for you in the FSU" and that every Quasimodo can find a partner there for sure. And not just any partner, but a partner who will be better than the NON-FSUW in every way.

I must admit that there was some truth in these statements, because in the past, many FSUW were interested in foreigners and indeed, many of them possesed qualities that NON-FSUW do not posses. I had some quite attractive and classy girls in the FSU, that I couldn't have at home ("few notches higher" as Omega says). But as we said, things changed.

Now for many men it's a problem even to get a reply from a woman, let alone to develop a decent communication with her and to travel there. This especialy happens on ru dating sites (Mamba, Loveplanet.ru), because they are mostly used by FSU people who want to date locally.

Many young FSUW don't even bother to check the profile of their interlocutor and many have local boyfriends (which can be checked in the ru soc networks). Lot of them are simply not serious and that is a fact. I will not comment on russian mid aged single mothers as they are not my target group.

You found a young FSU lady and congrats for that. I'm not saying that does not happen, but it's not so simple. You also mentioned that you fixed a date for a friend, well I wished all of us had such an opportunity, because such method is one of the best.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 10, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: longinforthesouth
Not everyone has time and resources for: "She seems nice, let's go there and see where it leads". It may lead to nothing, even if you did everything to know the person as good as possible (you communicated a lot, skyped)

So yes, now we get to the crux of it.
It's not truly difficult, but it does require more time and money.

Not everyone has the resources to date the very next city over in their own country,next region, next state, much less a neighboring country, or around the world.

Dating locally, you'd still need to date more than one woman in most cases to become married , or be in  a steady long term relationship.
So that point is mute.

So we are back to mostly  logistics.
So yes, if you branch out dating further than a block from where you live, the costs will increase with distance.The greater the distance, greater the costs.
 It's each mans choice,and sure he must look within his realistic means?

 I understand the expectation that if you bother to travel and spend more time and money, than locally, that  you want a *better* girl than you can find locally.
(i'm not sure why the FSU woman owes anyone that she is better because the man traveled , a worthy topic in itself no? what if she just happens to be the same as your local girls...why isn't that enough?)

   I dint count on her being any better than a local woman to somehow *justify* the added logistical difficulties in dating her ;)
Crazy huh?
I did hope she was a better match for me as an individual.
There are good local women as well, I was open to dating them.
 If I found someone locally great, if there was a possibility elsewhere,i'd look there too.
 The times it doesn't work out long term locally, or internationally ,
are just an expected part of normal dating and life experiences.

 The time spent in dating locally, or internationally, was rewarding in and of itself. If traveling and dating a woman in your next city over, or a country around the world,  isn't rewarding in itself,  then obviously don't do it.

In the end of all this, it just  seems there is an entitlement mentality ,born from the extra effort it takes logistically to date further from ones home.
That's hysterical if scaled locally!
That girl across town  better be extra special and hot, or i wont bother with the added time and trouble to cross the street to date her. :laugh:

Yet add distance its considered a  normal expectation.

I get that if you are shopping for a car, or some item!

applying it to a search for a long term relationship just seems odd.
 :coffeeread:
 :hidechair:

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 10, 2014, 04:38:09 PM
AJ, I know a guy in my country who is married to a japanese. Maybe this is usual in the US, but here it is not. I know other men who are married to english, german, french, dutch, swedish or aussie women. So yes, things happen. Not to brag, but we have some great men (lol)

But these are unusual cases, not the norm. And these couples did not meet on dating sites, but maybe through holidays, working abroad, business trips, mutual friends, I dunno. Depends.

I'm not poor neither "greedy" (as many FSUW express themselves). The terms "too far", "too expensive", "too complicated" did not exist in my vocabulary. I traveled throughout RU & UA for years, but there must be a red line when you say: "enough". It's not being greedy, but it's being reasonable.

I repeat, in my experience, lot of young FSUW are not serious. Many openly admit that. Other forum members share my opinion.

Right now, I'm paralely logged on a ru dating site and lot of girls don't even bother to check the profile of their interlocutor (some sites show whether your profile is clicked). Even if a conversation starts, it is ussualy one-way (the guy asks questions, the girl answers and it can end for absolutely no reason). Lot of them are already taken (which can be seen in Vkontakte).

Some only show off or kill time. The ones who seem to be serious preffer locals. Some openly state that in their profiles. Or they use message filters to stop non-locals from contacting them (some sites show that your message is undelivered).

That's the reality that I'm seeing in front of me right now. I'm not drunk or high. If you see another reality, then I dunno lol. So, it's hard even to start a conversation, let alone to develop it and to finally visit the person. They don't care. In the past the situation was somewhat better.

That's why I logged in a once popular paysite aimed at WM to see what's happening. Years ago I had some great successes there, but now it looks otdated and empty like a graveyard. This thing is clearly dead.

Now, you found your lady through an agency. Maybe agencies are a better method. I guess that if a woman voluntarilly joined a catalogue, then she's probably serious. But then, there're dishonest agencies, pro-daters etc. I dunno much about agencies, as I said.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on October 10, 2014, 05:47:22 PM
This thing is clearly dead.

I have wrote similar before. Yes.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2014, 09:55:35 PM
There will always be opportunities for men who don't have any obvious afflictions. Men who do typically blame the girls.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on October 10, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
This thing is clearly dead.

I have wrote similar before. Yes.

+1
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on October 11, 2014, 02:26:21 AM
This thing is clearly dead.

I have wrote similar before. Yes.

Really???
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on October 11, 2014, 03:33:35 AM
This thing is clearly dead.

I have wrote similar before. Yes.

Really???

Really.

There will always be opportunities for men who don't have any obvious afflictions. Men who do typically blame the girls.

But that as well.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: CaptB on October 11, 2014, 05:04:02 AM
QUESTION: Is the FSU dating/marriage endeavor/business dead? My answer is ......YES......and NO. I tire of hearing the blanket statement that the FSU (my experience is with Russia) dating/marriage pursuit.....is dead. Yes....yes....I have heard it before.....I am a 62 y.o. geezer.....who did it ....in the past. I ....and my opinion are not relative.....because it has been over 11 years since I married a RW. Funny thing though.....I heard the same ting when I was 30.....40.....50.....and now 62.

I always had a full dating life here in the US. Education, intelligence, maybe a little charm.....with an adventures spirt......and not too many warts on my face..................dating was easy. I had so much fun dating.....that I did not marry the first time.....until age 31. Actually two years prior to marriage....I took a year off from dating.....to build a boat. Dating the prior dozen years or so left me burnt-out.....and a little empty. I finally did meet someone.....after my lay-off and we were married. After nine years we were divorced......no mystery.....other than why we stayed together for 9 years! Sometime after the divorce I realized that we had too many "unresolved issues" when we were dating.....and "never" should have gotten married. At least I figured out the "whys" of failure in that relationship.........after only one try. Some folks "never" figure out the "whys".....for failure in a relationship. My brother had to be married 5 times.....to finally come to the conclusion......that maybe he should just stay "single". He never really did figure out the "whys" though.

It was 1978 when, as a college student, my room mate and I hitch-hiked from Marquette, Michigan (in the upper peninsula)......to Fort Lauderdale, Florida.........in  December......with $105 between the two of us.......for 10 days Christmas vacation. We slept on the beach (illegal .....even back then)......snorkeled.....swam.....
.......and rented a surf board one day. We ate one meal a day........a loaf of bakery bread, cheese, summer sausage, a fruit, a vegetable or two........and a six-pack of beer........at about 8 pm in the evening. We decided we wanted to be in Key West......for New Years. We hitched down to Homestead Florida......where we put out our thumbs from about 8 am until 5 pm.......but no luck. We had hitched from Michigan to Florida.....in 27 hours......but could not catch a ride to Key West after nine hours of thumbs out. I told my room mate.....lets go to Miami. I know of a tiny sailor's bar at the end of the inter-coastal..... I stopped at when I was in the service. We got a ride in 10 minutes! We arrived about 7 pm......had a few beers until 10 pm.....and were going to call it quits for the night....when we noticed a ship pulling-up to the dock. It was................. Russian.

About 15 minutes later.....in walked about two dozen Russian sailors. Sitting next to me was the ships KGB representative. A really friendly guy.....he was also the ships interpreter. Many of the sailors spoke some English.....they were a seasoned crew.....who had been to the US many, many times. They alternated trips between Miami......and New York. I asked the KGB officer.....what was his favorite place in the US. He did not hesitate......"Rhode Island" was his reply. He said if he could afford it.....his dream would be to retire there......his wife loved it also.......she had made on passage as a ships crew member. I hunkered-down and asked in a whisper......"would that mean you would have to defect"? He replied....."yes"........not whispering. All and all......a fun nite......the bartender did not kick us out until about 5 am. The worst hangover I've ever had. My room mate and I went to the beach.....climbed in our sleeping bags.......about a half hour later......the worst thunder storm you can imagine..................................we had no tent.

After meeting the Russians ,that nite, it became a life long-dream to visit Russia someday. In 2000.......that would become a reality. My friend in Escanaba, Michigan was returning for a "third" time to visit his girl friend......in Tver Russia. I was originally going to go over with him.....we would spend a day or two in Moscow.....then he would go to Tver.....and I.....to several other cities. At the end of the trip....we would meet in St. Pete for two days.......then go back home.
Unknown to me.....he had given my phone number to Mark Dayton from LifeTime Partners (LTP) in Tver, Russia. Mark told my friend maybe "I" might be interested in a few of their services (interpreter, room etc.). They had connections in several other cities. Mark called me up one day about three months before our trip. We had nice long talk. He asked why I was going to the other cities. I said...because they were interesting and historical places. He explained that Tver once competed with Moscow......to be the capital city. That they were only several hours from St. Pete.....and a short drive to the "golden ring" of towns. In short.....he was a good salesman. Membership was about $200 then....for unlimited contact with RW. I told him that I really was not looking for a foreign wife. He smiled......have you met any Russian girls. I said "no". He said I will give you the membership "free". You may want to have a date   or two....to go to the movies....clubs.....or dinner....with your friend and his girl. I was still hesitant. Ultimately he offered a package deal of an apartment....interpreter.....driver.....and a few other things for $100/day. The regular rate would be about $225/day. I took his deal.........I was going to Tver.

About six weeks before our trip.....my friend convinced me to write some letters.....just for fun. He said a few introductory letters stating I was visiting in six weeks would help me secure a few dates.....after we get to Tver. I wrote 16 letters.....the old-fashioned way......"on paper...with envelopes & stamps.  Each letter was individual....addressing their profile (interests, hobbies, pets, kids, work etc.) on the LTP website. I backed-up the "paper" letters" with e-mails.....which I sent about two weeks after mailing the letters. I received 14 positive replies. One other....had a relationship already. Another was away at datcha for several weeks. Why such a high response? We are all different......with different approaches.......to different things. Personally I think it was that I was thinking "out-of-box". E-mails are easy...."everyone" is doing it. I......wanted to be different....and a little more personal. I think it paid off.

We arrived in Tver about 5 pm (local time). My interpreter had met my friend and I at Sheremetyvo II in moscow.......and we rode to Tver with the LTP driver
(my pick-up was free....as I they had to pick-up my friend....anyway). Upon arriving in Tver, my interpreter told me my first meeting with an RW would be at 8 pm. Mark had scheduled a date, for my first night.......I didn't know beforehand. I had to eat dinner anyway......so no big deal. She was an RW I had "not" chosen. I wrote her a letter.....but only as a favor to "Iolani".....on the old a long forgotten forum. He thought she was "hot"....at age 30. All the others were 35 and over.....I was 49 at the time. We had dinner.....she was rough......sucking down the food like it was her last meal.......unappealing.............................my interpreter thought she was a prostitute. I was undeterred.......still positive about my visit to Russia. I was dropped-off at my apartment about 10pm.....watched Russia MTV....with Alexander Marshall singing "Whites Ashes"........and fell asleep. It was really strange.....I really felt at home here.......Russia just suited my style.

The next day.......would change my trips to Russia....forever. My friend said he would be gone most of the day after we arrived. I was informed by my interpreter that I had 4 meetings with RW to. I was in shock!!!! I told my interpreter I was "not" here to find a wife. She said.....but you wrote 16 letters. I explained to her "why" i did it........mainly for a few dates. I told her to blame Mark (Dayton)......for the mix-up. She asked if I wanted to cancel the "meetings".......explaining that many of these RW take time of for work for these introductions. I said I really did not have any plans.....I will meet with them.
It turns out that out of the 14 replies to my letters.....these first "4"......all on the same day.......were the creme-of-the-crop........."if".......I were looking :-)
After this first full day in Russia........I was to pay a little more attention........to the "RW" of Russia.....on this......and subsequent trips.

My first meeting was with a very cute 5" 2" 110 lb brunette. You could tell she was very outgoing......great personality. She had a university education. She had many, many interest. She had mountain climbed, sailed, hang glided.....up for any adventure. I though she was just a really great gal. My second meeting was with a 38 y.o. blond, gray-eyed beauty. Even at this age she could be a model. She was outgoing, funny, silly, smart with great personality. She had a ten y.o. daughter. Irina was bigger than life.....she really knocked me out. My next meeting was at 3 pm. She was "Olga". An attorney from California had all of his "focus" on.....her. He was about 44 y.o.......kind of good-looking.......but really "obnoxious". I was leaving the office with her....to go to a restaurant across the street.........to have tea.....and talked. As we were leaving the LTP office he yelled-out....."don't get to comfortable with my "future wife".........what an a$$.
Olga was stunning........ 5' 6".....about 120 lbs.......and very fit. She had auburn hair......and maybe the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen....on a person. Teal/Bahama-blue. Everyone in the office called her Eyes. She had a sweet personality......but was very confident and secure in who she was. She worked for an insurance company. We had small-talk for the first half of the meeting......then got down to more serious Q's & A's.....during the second half. I asked her her feelings on "fidelity"....near the end of our conversation. Her reply was..."of course ....men are men....as long as I don't know about it". I said what about "you"? Of course I must be faithful.....I can not believe any other way. I looked at her and said......"this would not be acceptable for me! She was taken aback. I said that "I" only accept that "both" the man and the woman must be faithful.......that all rules in a relationship apply to both partners. She was grinning from ear-to-ear! She said....."of course that is what I would choose....also. She told my interpreter.....she would like to have another meeting.

The last date was Sveta......a teacher. At first shy.....she opened-up later on. She had a small daughter. She was an art teacher. She liked to draw, paint and write. A real nice gal. We had dinner....then went to a club to sing karoke. She loved to sing.....so did I......we had a great time. Any of these women (all 35 y.o. and up).....would have been keepers......except the one I focused on. I had met the other 11 who had replied to my letters.......some were very nice. Most had requested a second meeting with me.....but only Irina......did I have a second meeting with. Later on......I would realize I should have had more meetings.....with at least three of the RW I had met with. I will not get into a long story of our relationship. I can briefly describe my feelings at the end. The agency said that she was one of the most popular RW they represented......for women over 30.......but most men only had a date or two. Our relationship lasted three visits. They told me I was the only guy ever introduced to her daughter. Irina was smart, funny, usually in good spirits, a good mother, a good worker, down-to-earth, affectionate....................... I finally got the impression that she just was not "serious" about relocating to a foreign country. A bitter pill to swallow.....but maybe not into me....as much as I was into her.........maybe a little of one or the other......or both. I will never really know.......it is in the past.

What does all of this have to do with the subject at hand......lots. I met all types of guys in the LTP office. About a third were "normal" guys. In our conversations .....some were like me......always wanted to visit russia......rw pursuit......was a side-bar. Some just wanted a vacation......and included RW as an expansion of their dating pool. The second category of guy......always did OK in dating........some "party" guys here. Basically they are looking for a "young" wife.
25 year difference........not problem. Some of these guys are good looking.....great jobs.......they just want "young". The last category are the socially inept guys. They were never really successful or prolific "daters".  Because of the times (1991 to maybe 2005 or so).......times were not easy in the FSU. RW were willing to give these guys the time-of-day. Some were desperate........there were many available. Lots of divorces later.......but a few were successful. Some people "grow" to love each other.

My opinion is that "some".....but not "all"......of the dating pool has "dried-up". In fact....it is my contention that some portion has not changed ............at all.
I looked at the LTP website the other day. I saw about a dozen or more RW who were still listed with LTP. 14 years later....and older......some are still there. May still very attractive........but a dozen or so years older. Attractive.....great personalities.......but still there. Why? Because there are a large portion of guys who still want......much younger women. The guys in the first category are convinced that the "the whole pool is dried-up".....so they are not even trying. The 2nd and 3rd category guys are "still here".......but the women they want (very young and/or desperate)......are not. Yes.....this segment......has dried-up......I agree. I just don't agree that the women who appeal to guys who:

1) Are socially "ept" (is that a word?), confidant, regular daters.
2) Looking for an age appropriate partner.
3) Just look to the FSU (or any other part of the world) as "just" an extension of their dating pool.......not the solution.

These women are still there. They also have the qualities listed above. How do I know? Two of the women I had a meeting with 13 years ago......they are still listed. Their photos have been updated. One of the two is a really "great" gal. The other is a nice, attractive RW. The other source is my wife. She still has girlfriends who are great gals, attractive, interesting.......but "not" ready to fall all over the first guy to visit.  They will take a local guy.....but may "consider"....a foreigner. No more.....or less.....than "I" was willing to do.

Yes....the "business" of RW pursuit......is pretty much dead. Dead because it was fed by the customers in category 2 and 3..........a large portion of an agencies business. But for the guys in category "1".......and the RW  in category "1".......I believe it is "possibilities  (not business)...................as usual. By the way.....my wife and I have helped 3 friends (category 1 type guys)........find RW partners.....in the last 13 years.

Capt B

P.S. I am tired....its late.....I didn't have time to proof-read.         
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 11, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
Thanks for the post Capt B.  That is some serious writing.  Enjoyed the read. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 11, 2014, 06:37:39 AM
I agree Great read, for a business that has dried up, seems to be a few marriages.
Would be interesting to see how many people who are here. were married in what time frame.
Keep in mind, now there is many ways to contact women and pursue this adventure.
A small % every come to forums. Still lots of dating sites.
Changing yes, dead no.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 11, 2014, 10:36:24 AM
I agree Great read, for a business that has dried up, seems to be a few marriages.
Would be interesting to see how many people who are here. were married in what time frame.
Keep in mind, now there is many ways to contact women and pursue this adventure.
A small % every come to forums. Still lots of dating sites.
Changing yes, dead no.

I was married in what is considered the *cough* golden age of this adventure.. and then once again more recently.

The business side of MOB was always mostly myth and fantasy,
It's  a business so its primary purpose is to make a profit.
most of the profit was  made from those who never travel,
fundamentally that hasn't changed much.The approach and marketing may have changed with the times, but how they get the bulk of income ,and from whom , has not.

 The days of waiving some western passport, never existed in any kind of real numbers, and the number of GCG was always a small minority.
That would be even a smaller minority now, which is a good thing.
Sure, as the socio economic disparity levels out, even less would be actively looking to relocate.
And frankly all those changes are for the better.
 :hidechair:
 
I flew into SD ,LA,  Tampa, Dallas ,Milan,etc to date as well.If there was someone of genuine (mutual) interest there. These current changes in the FSU certainly wouldn't change my outlook on flying into St Pete, Moscow , Vlad, or dumpsk.
 Personally I'd avoid Ukraine now, not because there wouldn't be women to meet, as there certainly are..but for all the same reasons the *golden age* is looked back on as somehow *better*.It wasn't, for a host of reasons.
 Yes like most people, I fully understand that generally young twenty something attractive people, in any country, are likely not ready for marriage.Websites saying otherwise have been around for 15 years.
I never believed that.

The guys looking for a young twenty something model , that wanted to leave her country to come settle down ,  are very unlikely to find what they seek  now, nor could they have realistically back then.
 Plus as well noted, there is an entire international, and local, industry set up to clean out the pockets of men with unrealistic expectations.It's finely tuned now after 15 or so years of practice!  :chuckle:
 
  Now, if a guy is more realistic, doesn't expect the women to be several notches better than local women that would find him interesting,all because he bothered to expend more time traveling.. lol
 and if he only *cough* expects she might actually just be a great match and possibly fall for him as an individual-
then I know there are plenty of single, family oriented women in the FSU.
The harsh reality?
 It's not even slightly difficult to find them, they are in every marketplace, related to every babushka selling berries, in every park, in every office building, in every cafe.
 Sure they generally date and  marry a local guy settle down and have a family!
Who in their right mind would expect anything different ?
 The state of MOB has very little effect on any of that,  as most of them never considered it anyway, back then or now.

 Most women in the population there, or any other country,
 aren't actually looking to relocate. So yeap it's a challenge to overcome. :-X
It really should be  an expected difficulty.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 11, 2014, 11:46:04 AM
The biggest hurdle I've watched has not changed in the last decade.

30-50yo men , chase this with thoughts of marriage-
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Mary0512/?a_aid=f9a4995c
who has perhaps the normal wishes of a 19yo? 
 Professional dressage rider. Like horses and horse competition. Fond of travelling, want to travel around the world with my lovely men!! Bentley is my favorite and desirable car. I love tennis, ski jumping and actually all of sports. I prefer healthy lifestyle and everyday training.


instead of someone more likely to be serious , and realistic.
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Vikushka/?a_aid=f9a4995c
  I used to work as a chef, auditor, financial director and finally realized I like flowers more than money, so I'm a florist. What else? I've got a talent to talk anyone into anything. I can move objects with by eyesight. And yes, I'm always honest ;)


Granted the profiles are often not written by the women ,
this is just an quick  example.

Manny had a thread on this.
Nothing changes.

By far the biggest hurdle now, as well as back when,
 are the men's unrealistic expectations.

Are there new and changing hurdles and challenges? Sure! 
but to ignore the number one issue seems funny.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 11, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
Seen more than a few crash and burn, most because of reasons you posted.
Unrealistic expectations. Being a good guy is not enough alone.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 11, 2014, 12:46:26 PM
instead of someone more likely to be serious , and realistic.
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Vikushka/?a_aid=f9a4995c
  I used to work as a chef, auditor, financial director and finally realized I like flowers more than money, so I'm a florist. What else? I've got a talent to talk anyone into anything. I can move objects with by eyesight. And yes, I'm always honest ;)


Her claim to being able to talk anyone into anything is believable if it refers to males. If Vika is really the author, she has a good sense of humor.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 11, 2014, 01:18:07 PM
We have to differentiate between half dead, mostly dead, completely dead and long dead because there is a distinction. Last year, K1 Visas issued to Russians were down approximately two/thirds (compared to their heyday) and visas issued to Ukrainians were down approximately one/third. That resembles "half dead." Nonetheless, there were still about fifteen hundred visas issued, so the supply hasn't dried up completely.

The most notable difference is that absolutely any second-rate mutha (SRM) could bring home a beauty in the old days and, nowadays, a guy has to have a little something to offer. A narcissist who blames FSU bitches for his failings, for example, will not do as well as his more-normal peers. Complaining and shifting blame is never a viable solution to a problem.



 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 11, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
Tom, women also make mistakes and they also deserve criticism. It's true that we cannot solve these problems with the FSU dating, however, putting FSUW on pedestal and always blaming the guys will definetly not help.

AJ, true many guys had unrealistic expectations and fell for cheap tricks. If someone thinks that such supermodels are "lonely", then he's very naive. Of course there're exceptions to every rule, but they are not the norm.

You can say it's men's fault, but still, the dating industry is guilty for spreading such nonsence. Someone should have painted a realistic picture much earlier.

But anyway. I have never been a victim of these things. I have never been scammed and never used expensive "supermodel" sites, ppl etc.

I used LL, which was honest and inexpensive and I had successes there. But after we split with my 1st FSU GF, the site was becoming outdated. As I traveled to the FSU more and more, my russian improved and also things started to change. The RU internet flourished: Loveplanet.ru, Mamba, VK, Odnoklassniki etc. The economy also.

After I joined RU sites, I had an opportunity to face the russian reality. There, the woman didn't talk like "I good girl, I want cosy home" and such things aimed at WM. Oh no, sometimes they could be pretty brutal.

Lot of the young women there are taken, but they use dating sites anyway, just to kill time. Also, not everyone has professional photos there, and you can see many average, unattractive and overweight young women.

Sure, there are girls who posses a combination of looks, brains and character, but they are rare / taken / preffer a local. Or they don't use dating sites at all, they care about their real lives (work, studies) and we will never see them, unless we live there. And even then, we may never meet them.

I see new generations of fsu girls who don't even understand the very concept of intl dating. They sometimes ask me like: "Why'd someone travel for miles to an unknown country to meet a girl?!".

As I said, many write in their profiles that they prefer a local and in some cases, they even use message filters (by city / country).

Some simply don't want anything. You can be the most beautiful and the most clever guy in the world (like Tom for example), BUT they're completely happy as they are. They're young, have plenty of friends and activities and a reasonably attractive girl can always find a candidate for having fun without commitments (if needed).

Even russian guys complain about their women, which most of you fail to see, as you don't understand russian and you don't follow russian forums or such sites. There are 1000s of lonely FSU men, even young ones! Don't show me cuteonly, that's not the reality. Why not check Loveplanet.ru? Or Mamba.ru? Or Vk?

Also, I didn't say that I was looking for a supermodel. That's not realistic. But a notch or few higher would be reasonable, otherwise why the trouble?

Sure, the intellectual and spiritual side are very important! I was looking for someone with whom we can understand eachother. And yes, there were many beautiful and intelligent young fsuw in my life.

However, only the 1st one was really serious, while the others prefered just to have short romances or they didn't know what they want. They just want to have fun or to achieve some careers or to be independent etc.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 11, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
Tom, women also make mistakes and they also deserve criticism. It's true that we cannot solve these problems with the FSU dating, however, putting FSUW on pedestal and always blaming the guys will definetly not help.


I don't know where your pedestal theory is coming from; at the beginning of the thread, I wrote this:

Quote from: TomT
The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 11, 2014, 02:32:03 PM
instead of someone more likely to be serious , and realistic.
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Vikushka/?a_aid=f9a4995c
  I used to work as a chef, auditor, financial director and finally realized I like flowers more than money, so I'm a florist. What else? I've got a talent to talk anyone into anything. I can move objects with by eyesight. And yes, I'm always honest ;)


Her claim to being able to talk anyone into anything is believable if it refers to males. If Vika is really the author, she has a good sense of humor.

Agree, if she's the author ,she seems to have a good sense of humor..and good outlook on life with an interesting background.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on October 11, 2014, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: LFTS
Why not check Loveplanet.ru? Or Mamba.ru? Or Vk?
I did, and had dates from those places, some women serious, some not, some interested in me, some not!Normal stuff.
I was open to most any possibility,and I just did not find it truly difficult.
Everyone likely has a very different idea of difficulty as well.

 It's not that I don't see the issues you have brought up, or ignore that they exist. They do.
 I'd hope that recognizing them was a big part of why I was successful, as far as we define success here, which is debatable :)


Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 11, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
I never had any issues dating FSUW, of all sorts, never had any who were unrealistic.
I am sure all shapes sizes and personalities, but thats true in most places.
As for here, trust me, regardless of who you are if somewhere here does not agree
they will say so :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 11, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
Longing, it's been an interesting read the past several days as you opened up about your search methods and experiences. 

The one thing I noted which has me stumped, you met your first success through an agency, LL is this correct?  You then bounced around on non western facing sites where you get exposure to the 95% of women who are not interested in moving. 

The only difference I see in your experience versus that of older members is they remained focused on the 5% that do want to move rather than distracted by the 95% who don't.  The ladies whom you discover on the social media sites were always there, just not as easy, or open to see their activities, until social media made that possible. 

I agree with you that the social media can be tools but it also can be a huge distraction.  Does anyone believe that  the ladies they are going to visit are not dating locally?  I certainly didn't.  It would be more concerning, IMHO, if they were not.  Surely you wouldn't expect to read in a profile, " My goal is to meet prince charming locally before you(the samll percentage of men who get on a plane) arrive".  While everyone know this is true it is also a given.  Competition with local men has always existed.  What woman in her right mind would rather move countries than meet prince charming, all things being equal, and grow old together in her native county surrounded by family.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on October 12, 2014, 03:28:55 AM
Welder, well said!  :THUB:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 12, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
Longing, it's been an interesting read the past several days as you opened up about your search methods and experiences. 

The one thing I noted which has me stumped, you met your first success through an agency, LL is this correct?  You then bounced around on non western facing sites where you get exposure to the 95% of women who are not interested in moving. 

The only difference I see in your experience versus that of older members is they remained focused on the 5% that do want to move rather than distracted by the 95% who don't.  The ladies whom you discover on the social media sites were always there, just not as easy, or open to see their activities, until social media made that possible. 

I agree with you that the social media can be tools but it also can be a huge distraction.  Does anyone believe that  the ladies they are going to visit are not dating locally?  I certainly didn't.  It would be more concerning, IMHO, if they were not.  Surely you wouldn't expect to read in a profile, " My goal is to meet prince charming locally before you(the samll percentage of men who get on a plane) arrive".  While everyone know this is true it is also a given.  Competition with local men has always existed.  What woman in her right mind would rather move countries than meet prince charming, all things being equal, and grow old together in her native county surrounded by family.

Welder, you are trying to find logical explanations, so you could put the blame on the guy and that's not always like that.

You're saying something like: "You should have focused on women willing to date foreigners and not go to RU dating sites, because they're are mostly for local dating". It's not that simple.

LL was a good site and the women there were familiar with intl dating and wanted to date foreigners. But still, there were many not serious women there. Many openly admited that to me. It was not a "polite way to reject me". They liked me. There were romances / sex / sightseeing / partying. It's just they didn't want anything serious. Except my first russian gf, but she was an exception.

They openly said: "I want to be free", "I have plans for my life" or "I just want to travel", while their profiles read: "Marriage, cosy homes". Some even talked bad things about WM in front of me (they didn't consider me a "real westerner", so they were more opened). They'd often make discusting jokes about WM on RU forums and share some not so nice stories.

Some of them don't believe in finding love online. I asked them why they use LL? They say they do it just for adventure, curiousity. Or rarely, because they want to move to a more prosperous country. Most of them don't want to move anywhere. These women use such sites because it's FREE for them.

I even dated girls who were engaged to foreigners. I asked one of them is that cheating? She said like "it's stronger than me" and smiled. Later she married her foreign BF and he doesn't have a clue that she was cheating him.

I often caught girls in lie. They said they are single, while they had local BFs. We met, had fun and they dumped me for no reason. Later I discovered VK and I found out that they were in a relationship. You see pics with their local BF's, ussualy some quite ugly ones dressed in fake "adiBas" trainers looking at the camera like donkeys. The girls look like movie stars next to them. You also check upload dates and you understand that they were in a relationship when they met you.

I confronted some of the girls on VK and they tried to find excuses. It was so embarasing. Others simply say "That's just me, I'm free to do whatever I want". They don't give a f. Some later married their local bfs and even have babies. The guys probably don't know that they were cheated or they were also cheating.

Once I met on LL a great "arty" girl. She had some problems in life and I thought she's not like all the others. We'd talk from dusk till dawn and emotions developed. However, once we met in real, she was a bit cold. And again, there was romance and intimacy, but in the end she said that it's not working. Fine. I was hurt, but I left her city and looked elsewhere. But she continued to write me. I didn't understand why.

I asked her. She didn't know what she wants. Most of the young women are like that. Then she found some local guy, but he just f. her and dumped her. And then she was sad and tried to talk to me so we can be together again. It's a total latinoamerican soap opera.

You can be the best guy in the world, but it won't help. Men are better, at least they know what they want and they're ready to go through all kinds of sh. to achieve it.

Many young FSUW dream to be independent. Some have pathological hatred for men (esp. those who grew up without dads). There was one young, beautiful and creative girl. I met her and her family. They feeded me until I exploded. However, she was like scared of commiting, mistrustful of men. She would repeat that she wants to leave her depressing town and to achieve success elsewhere.

We were together, then we split, then she would write to me and we would communicate again. And then arguments again. And so on. She was confused between commiting and independence.

I see on the soc networks how she's trying to realize her plans. She had a beautiful straight hair long to her a$$, she cut it to ear lenght, made it curly and she put on some ugly glasses. Now she looks like some old aunt. Now she wants to be a "serious and independent woman" and not to be "a slave of men's concept of beauty". She uploaded videos of how she gives presentations to her fellow students and she seems cold like Hitler. I have so much similar stories. There's no feminism in RU? My a$$.

I've never used an agency, LL was a paysite aimed at WM. If there's an agency behind it, I dunno. LL became outdated. It became pointless to use it. Also, after I began to use RU sites, I found some of the women from LL there and they were not talking about "cosy homes". They showed their real faces on the RU sites. The number of female members on LL and their quality declined. So what to concentrate on, when you see that it's all dying.

Now look, when someone says "an agency", I imagine people in suits sitting in an office. And you go there and ask for the catalogue. And then you choose like: "Errrrm... this one.... and hmmm.... this one also... aaand.... this one".

Logically, I'd expect the women in catalogues to be more serious about meeting in real than those on dating sites. Because, I guess that people don't join a catalogues just out of boredom. And maybe the agency has some background info on them. I don't know about agencies, I've never used them, it's just my assumptions and they may be wrong.

Generaly, things are bad. You can say it's dead or half-dead, it won't change much. Sure, people will still meet and get married etc. But their numbers are ridicilous.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on October 12, 2014, 02:53:54 PM
I find it ridiculous that you're still bitching and moaning about how shit FSU woman are on a random forum.

You might have your points but your whining will get you nowhere. The industry might very well be half dead, dead or deader but a decent bloke with some resources can easily set up dates with suitable candidates and let nature take its course.

I also think the Russian Bride thing is dead. Dating however has never been more popular and how woman market their availability has changed dramatically. Who wants to be known as a catalogue bride when they can easily meet someone on a dating website?

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 12, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
I find it ridiculous that you're still bitching and moaning about how shit FSU woman are on a random forum.
 

I'm not bitching or moaning. I said several times that this thread turned into a "beating of a dead horse", but guys like Welder wanted a debate. So we're debating. Now I felt that I need to clarify some things for him. What did I do wrong?

You might have your points but your whining will get you nowhere.

I'm not planning to get anywhere. We're just talking.

Who wants to be known as a catalogue bride when they can easily meet someone on a dating website?

I just assumed (maybe wrongly) that an agency might be a better method than dating sites, cause they attract timewasters. You can join a site with few clicks sitting at home in pyjamas, it's always free for the ladies and lot of them don't take it seriously.

But if a woman wants to join an agency, I assume that she has to go to it's offices. And the employees there will see her, they'll take photos of her and get her number, adress and maybe some background info (e.g. does she have to show documents?). I dunno sh. about agencies.

And I don't think that dating has never been more popular. I think that online dating in general is not hip anymore (not only in the FSU, but anywhere). In my country online dating was popular like 15 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on October 12, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
In 2000 less than 5% of people met online.
Now its 20%, they predict by 2020 it will be 90%
Might not be popular, but its what people are using.

Even in the FSU, men and women use social media sites to meet.
it save time and energy and people can do the basics at home
at any hour they desire.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Isthmus on October 12, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
Online dating is definitely common and mainstream in Australia today. The large dating apps advertise on commercial tv these days.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2014, 07:50:12 PM
They openly said: "I want to be free", "I have plans for my life" or "I just want to travel"...

These are things that a girl tells a guy when she would rather have a radical hysterectomy than marry him.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 12, 2014, 08:14:48 PM
They openly said: "I want to be free", "I have plans for my life" or "I just want to travel"...

There are things that a girl tells a guy when she would rather have a radical hysterectomy than marry him.

Yeah, they all want to marry you, Tom, you're the best guy in the world. The question is only: why this guy spends hours on this forum with me and not with his lovely fsu women.

And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.

Well Tom, if you still want to sell the fairy tales that FSUW are "more family oriented and they're dying to cook borsch" and that it's always men's fault, sorry, but no one is buying it. Consider changing the industry you are working for.

Many young FSUW want to be independent. They are not radicaly different than their western counterparts. Those who really want to commit are already taken. Of course, exceptions exist. It also depends how attractive is the woman and her age.

Sure, there're some more traditional and really family oriented FSUW, but it's not so easy to find them.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 12, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Online dating is definitely common and mainstream in Australia today. The large dating apps advertise on commercial tv these days.

Almost all American couples around me have found each other on-line(who is married within last five years).
Americans do not bother to go to bar, club, or any other place to look for a better half.
On-line dating in America is a normal part of life and a good manner.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on October 12, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
I'm not bitching or moaning....

Your heart is bleeding.....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 12, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
Online dating is definitely common and mainstream in Australia today. The large dating apps advertise on commercial tv these days.

Almost all American couples around me have found each other on-line(who is married within last five years).
Americans do not bother to go to bar, club, or any other place to look for a better half.
On-line dating in America is a normal part of life and a good manner.

I'm not bitching or moaning....

Your heart is bleeding.....

Уважаемая Orchid, ваше впечатление не совсем правильно. Может вам кажется что я пишу слишком эмоционально, но я здесь просто делюсь своими мнениями. Правда, я иногда выражаюсь грубо, но так пишут и другие мужчины на этом форуме и я не являюсь исключением.

Now I will write in english, so everyone can understand.

Where I live online dating was hip more than a decade ago. I know the guy who made the first dating site here. Not everyone had internet then. It's users were mostly mid class urban youths who followed all the trends. I had some succesess, but that site soon died out.

Lot of people used mIRC (internet relayed chat) and I had some exciting adventures there. However, soon every village idiot got internet and things changed to worse: fakes, timewasters, maniacs who disturb women etc. It faded.

Then I learned about intl dating and decided to check it out. That's how I got into FSU dating.

Right now we don't have dating sites that I know. Sure, you can get a date through FB, but that happens rarely. Some attractive girls like the attention and the "likes", but they don't want more than that.

In general, people here look for partners in bars / clubs. If you don't follow the nightlife, they'll think there must be something wrong with you. It's a stupid way of thinking.

So, if a guy wants a girl, he must go to a club and shake his backside to the music and he must be good in talking under 150 decibels of music (toops-toops).

Then, he may catch a girl and take her to his home. There are good looking women, but there're even more guys, the competition is big. Tomorow, the girl may not remember you and she'll dance with someone else. Shortly, girls just want fun.

The good women are mostly taken and they don't dance on tables until 5 AM and you'll never see them. They work, study or do other useful things.

If you're not into clubbing, you can go to some arty caffee and discuss european films with some hipster pseudo-intelectuall, but she wants to be independent and you're wasting your time.

Agencies here are considered for "losers / old people / widowers". It's a prejudice. Young and attractive women never use them, while guys can be boastful and say like "who needs an agency or sites, I can get a girl myself in real life".

So, I don't see any hip about online dating around me, maybe that's why I have an impression that it is not going well globally. We ussualy follow every fashionable nonsense, despite the fact that we aren't a big market (I dunno, iphones, hipsters etc.)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on October 12, 2014, 11:06:58 PM

And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.


I can't speak for TomT, but perhaps you could consider - the guy can't control the behavior of women, but can control his own behavior. 

Someone is ending up with the "wonderful" ones - if it is not you, then why not?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: GuppyCaptain on October 12, 2014, 11:16:13 PM

And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.


I can't speak for TomT, but perhaps you could consider - the guy can't control the behavior of women, but can control his own behavior. 

Someone is ending up with the "wonderful" ones - if it is not you, then why not?

It's not as simple as that Slumba. I'm not sure where longingforthesouth is from but he summed up the dating scene in much of America quite accurately.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 13, 2014, 12:01:27 AM

And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.


I can't speak for TomT, but perhaps you could consider - the guy can't control the behavior of women, but can control his own behavior. 

Someone is ending up with the "wonderful" ones - if it is not you, then why not?

I don't know why not and I don't care. I'm not looking anymore. I'm sharing opinions. They are formed and will not change. I will not spit on my experiences.

Why you don't comment on the topic? I'm not the topic of this thread. If you guys are tired of it, I understand. Maybe we should stop commenting.

Tom always posts spitful oneliners. Not only to me. If you dig through the old threads you'd notice.  He's bitter about something.

Also, he takes things out of context. You'd write a huge post and he'll cherry-pick a word.  But OK, maybe you're friends and I understand why you defend him. Maybe he's a good guy, who has problems.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on October 13, 2014, 12:13:21 AM
Welder, you are trying to find logical explanations, so you could put the blame on the guy and that's not always like that.
You're saying something like: "You should have focused on women willing to date foreigners and not go to RU dating sites, because they're are mostly for local dating". It's not that simple.

Longing, first off thanks for the reply.  I appreciate the effort and discussion.

Your summary is mostly correct.  The only part I would take exception to is the "blame the guy portion".  We both recognize that blaming anyone for anything is useless or not helpful at best.  My intent was to recognize a major difference between your method and the method of most of the guys, IMHO, on this site.  You seemed to focus on social sites primarily and threw out the agencies. 


Logically, I'd expect the women in catalogues to be more serious about meeting in real than those on dating sites. Because, I guess that people don't join a catalogues just out of boredom. And maybe the agency has some background info on them. I don't know about agencies, I've never used them, it's just my assumptions and they may be wrong.

Generaly, things are bad. You can say it's dead or half-dead, it won't change much. Sure, people will still meet and get married etc. But their numbers are ridicilous.

I don't disagree with anything above.  I just see the honest agencies and those western facing dating sites as a tool to limit the distractions.  It would seem with your local knowledge and ability to speak Russian that this could be a home run for you. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Tom always posts spitful oneliners.

I don't need to post reams of BS to cut to the core issue:

 
I don't know why not and I don't care. I'm not looking anymore. I'm sharing opinions. They are formed and will not change. I will not spit on my experiences.

Stubbornly clinging to faulty conclusions, colored by one's own issues, is a virtual guarantee that the problem will continue. You claim that your rant about "not serious" FSU bitches isn't about you but, in fact, it couldn't be more about you. FSU bitches do exist, as do narcissistic men.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on October 13, 2014, 10:59:51 AM
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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 13, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Tom always posts spitful oneliners.

I don't need to post reams of BS to cut to the core issue:

 
I don't know why not and I don't care. I'm not looking anymore. I'm sharing opinions. They are formed and will not change. I will not spit on my experiences.

Stubbornly clinging to faulty conclusions, colored by one's own issues, is a virtual guarantee that the problem will continue. You claim that your rant about "not serious" FSU bitches isn't about you but, in fact, it couldn't be more about you. FSU bitches do exist, as do narcissistic men.

Tom, everyone sees it. For days you haven't provided any healthy counter-argument. Only personal attacks. It's clear that you're not interested in debate and that you are bitter about something. You do this to many other people, not only to me.

Calm down and accept that you are not a winner in this debate. That does not mean that you are stupid and that I'm the smartest guy in the world. It's just you are not well informed.

These bad trends / tendencies among the young FSUW exist with or without me.

I elaborated about them in detail. The difference is:

- I see them, because I'm following what's happening on the russian dating sites & soc networks and I understand russian and I hang with young people in the FSU.

- You and most of the guys don't see them, because: you are married; not actively reading the ru dating sites; you don't understand russian; or your target group is older and you don't hang with young people; or you use sites aimed at WM, where such things are not discussed openly.

Now face it, there're problems and many agree with me. Maybe not everything is SO bad like I say, but problems do exist.

I didn't write all this to hurt russians. Oncontrary! I'd like Russia to preserve it's positive values and not become a "recycle bin" for all the negative trends from outside. That does not mean that I'm some hardline conservative, not at all!

I like russians and ukrainians and I'm well versed in their cultures and languages. They discuss these problems themselves on many forums and they often do it in a much "tougher" way than we are doing it here.

I think that we elaborated enough. 16 pages. Many forum members are obviously tired of this, I understand them, so I suggest that we now all calm down.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Lon on October 13, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
LftS
  - no, the difference is, you are looking for the bad trends.

  - I am an old guy and married.  but I know a few young FSUW personally, and through them, their young friends.  they are very serious about their lives, from their studies to their social lives.

  now yes, things are not as bad as you say!

  so, who are you hanging out with, and where?  at the 'club', at a bar?  what do you think you are going to find?  what kind of FSU people are you hanging with?  if you are hanging with the 'non-serious', 'fun' group, what did you think you would find?
  again, I would say that a discussion with the mirror is in line, like many of us have done before.  but, you are not in the pursuit any more, right?

These bad trends / tendencies among the young FSUW exist with or without me.

I elaborated about them in detail. The difference is:

- I see them, because I'm following what's happening on the russian dating sites & soc networks and I understand russian and I hang with young people in the FSU.

- You and most of the guys don't see them, because: you are married; not actively reading the ru dating sites; you don't understand russian; or your target group is older and you don't hang with young people; or you use sites aimed at WM, where such things are not discussed openly.

Now face it, there're problems and many agree with me. Maybe not everything is SO bad like I say, but problems do exist.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on October 13, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
LftS
  - no, the difference is, you are looking for the bad trends.

Things go pretty bad and cannot be ignored anymore. I elaborated that in 16 pages. Feel free to review them.

  so, who are you hanging out with, and where?  at the 'club', at a bar?  what do you think you are going to find?  what kind of FSU people are you hanging with?  if you are hanging with the 'non-serious', 'fun' group, what did you think you would find?

You probably got confused by my description of the nightlife in my country (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg382418#msg382418).

I never travel for nighlife. When I go to RU or UA, I want to see the East, not a copy of the West. There I visit museums, churches, monasteries etc.

There was only 1 party girl that I met. All the other girls were going to bed at 10 PM.

But they don't want to commit. Some are learning a lot and want careers. Some are unsure: independence vs commitment? Some just kill time. Some have plenty of local candidates, even boyfriends, but they date foreigners for adventure or curiousity. Depends on the girl.

Only 1 girl was serious and we were together for 4 years. But note that she had a strict upbringing and a religious mum. That doesn't mean she was a nun! She was sexy and funny. But she went to church. She read russian poets and played russian composers on piano. She was the true Russia, which is now fading.

  - I am an old guy and married.  but I know a few young FSUW personally, and through them, their young friends.  they are very serious about their lives, from their studies to their social lives.

If they're atrractive, they are ussually taken. And they prefer locals. And they don't sit online 24/7, but they work, study etc., so it's not so easy to find them. Exceptions exist, but are rare.

  now yes, things are not as bad as you say!

It's relative. If you're married, you don't see the bad things so much.

  again, I would say that a discussion with the mirror is in line, like many of us have done before.  but, you are not in the pursuit any more, right?

Men have flaws, but our topic is the women. A discussion in the mirror is a needed for many young FSUW. They must ask themselves what is really important in life. They're human beings, they make mistakes and so can be criticized. Putting them on pedestal is over.

OK, friends, we elaborated enough. I've some real life things to finish (work, edu etc.). Thanks and see you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on October 14, 2014, 09:04:14 AM
"I'm not getting enough validation so I'm out of here!"
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Justmd on October 18, 2014, 12:23:55 AM
"Tom always posts spitful oneliners. Not only to me. If you dig through the old threads you'd notice.  He's bitter about something."

Hahahaha....old guy is just cranky,comes with age!

This made me laugh. tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on October 21, 2014, 01:24:50 PM

  so, who are you hanging out with, and where?  at the 'club', at a bar?  what do you think you are going to find?  what kind of FSU people are you hanging with?  if you are hanging with the 'non-serious', 'fun' group, what did you think you would find?
  again, I would say that a discussion with the mirror is in line, like many of us have done before.  but, you are not in the pursuit any more, right?


Excellent point! Where you search for a girl is critical.

Looking for your soul mate/virtuous girl in a bar is the same as expecting to get
laid in a nunnery.

First identify the girl that you seek, then make a plan to find her.

Do you love books, antique pianos, history, mountain climbing, calligraphy, Frisbees,
hula hoops, origami, Italian food, star gazing or dancing the hokey pokey? There is
a club/organization that is really into those things. They will have a website and there
will be girls interested in the same thing.

Let's say you are looking for a serious girl who wants to have two kids and loves
the outdoors. Why would anyone look for this girl in a bar or club?  How much
smarter is looking for this girl in a bar than say a strip club? 25% smarter?

Just my two kopecks,

Bill
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 16, 2014, 05:55:25 PM
I was busy, so I was absent from this forum. I'm not searching for a FSUW anymore, but I still use some dating sites and soc networks just to kill time (if the FSUW are not serious, why should I be?). I'll tell you a story, but I ask you not to understand it as an attack on all FSUW. There are good FSUW, but they become rare. The dating sites are now full of garbage, which I already elaborated.

I had some work and edu to do, but I communicated with some girls. It led nowhere. But then appeared someone who seemed to be an exception. She's young, but seems mature for her age. Cute, well read and traveled, speaks english, plays classical music, cooks and she's relatively sexy. Not as in "supermodel with silicon boobs", but more like arty / alternative / intellectual sexy. She wasn't exactly the type that I preffer, but who cares? I was happy that I found someone nice.

We talked about arts, films, music, travel, cuisine. She wrote long and nice replies, not bitter oneliners like Tom. Then we started talking about our lives. She told me about her family, friends, pets, showed me pics. I did the same. Then we talked about love, relationships. She assured me that she takes that very seriously and responsibly. It sounded convincing. She was married to a foreigner not so long time ago, but the marriage ended quickly, because he was not serious (long story). It became clear that we like eachother. Many times she initiated chats herself, without waiting for me to do that. I communicated with her for 1 month and I thought: maybe not everything is SO bad, this girl seems to be serious. I mean this is it! This is what I was looking for!

So we skyped, exchanged numbers. After a certain period we even touched the subject of meeting. Just theoretically. I've been to the FSU many times, but most of the FSUW are not serious, so I decided not to go there again. If some ru girl wants to see me, she can pack her bags and visit me. Visa for my country is not needed. The girl liked the idea. But it was too early for this. We were both busy with work, edu etc. She is parallely studying and working.

Everything seemed rosy, but then COMES THE TWIST.

I asked her about her job. She said: "Well... I'm answering calls...". I wrote jokingly: "Is that some hotline? You know, a number for phone sex?". I expected her to laugh with me, but her reply was: "Errrm... well, what would you think if a girl has such a job?". I said that I don't know (I've never been in a such situation). It was a moment of heavy silence.... I couldn't take it anymore, I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgemental.

She finally admitted that she's working on a porno webcam site... HAHAHAH "more family oriented", "marriage minded", "cosy homes". Yeah sure, my a$$ :))))

Most of you know those sites. Just one google search for "sex, webcam" and they'll pop up. These sites are full of FSUW. I thought she is joking, but she gave me a link and I saw her pics there. All my dreams went down the toilet. I didn't know what to say. I asked myself: "Am I too conservative? Maybe I should be more relaxed about this? Young people do dumb things: sex, drugs, rocknroll, maybe she will mature?". I didn't judge her. However, I told her that such job is not considered NORMAL by most people. You can be liberal as much as you want, but most men would NOT tolerate their girlfriends to strip in front of some maniacs. Btw it's not only stripping. There's masturbation, dildos and there are couples who do hardcore porn on those sites.

The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?! We haven't even met, I'm single! I plan to quit anyway!". She added that many "decent women" from her city do that. Some have boyfriends or even husbands & kids. Some date foreigners, who don't know about this. I told her that I can understand such job if one is starving, but she is mid class. I asked her do you really need this? She said no, but still, she wanted this job, because she WANTS TO BE INDEPENDENT. Most young FSUW want to be INDEPENDENT. They don't care about "cosy homes, making borsch and babies" and they are not family oriented. Words like "independence" and "freedom" are frequently repeated in my conversations with the young FSUW. No, it's not their polite way to reject me (the girl liked me). There's no feminism in Russia? My a$$.

I tried once more to explain her that this is not normal. I warned her that one day she may regret it. I warned her that even if she quits, this "dirty laundry" may come to the surface, when she least expect it. It was futile. She said stop talking to me if you don't like it. These women have no shame or self-criticism. It's "I'm always right and I don't give a f. about your feelings and opinions, take it or leave it". They are terrible. I was destroyed. I could block her, but I decided to think. This girl was a disaster. Her stories about being "stable" and "responsible" proved to be lies. But I admit that I was thankful for her honesty. She could simply not tell me about her job. She did have some qualities!

I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell? I can't have a serious relationship with such a girl, but we can communicate, maybe meet, have a romance, a holiday. If these women are not serious, why should I be? Why I'm always so naively looking for some "pure love" while these women are just sl*ts, shallow, cheaters, everyone's sleeping with everyone, it's all one latinoamerican soap opera. I was very busy in the recent period, I needed a relaxation in a female company. I don't mean just sex. I mean to spend a holiday with someone, to see things, at least to have a fake "relationship". You know, holidays are coming and singles can be emotionaly vulnerable. Also, I must mention that she never asked for any money! She even loudly stressed that she has no material interest in me!

So, I told her that I will communicate with her, but I hope that she will really quit that job (as she said). She said she'll quit, even if I don't demand that, cause she was tired of it anyway. In the following days I checked that webcam site to see if she really quit. Her profile read she's offline. I thought maybe this is it. However, google is your friend. I searched for the pseudonym that she used on that site. Also I did google image search for her pics. A bunch of other webcam sites appeared. I clicked on one of them and there she was dancing on a webcam! She was not 100% nude, but still it was provocative. This was a "public chat" that everyone can watch. If you want to see her full striptease, then you pay a "private chat". I wondered is this a real-time stream or it's filmed. I entered the chat under false name and I wrote like "Hi baby, send a kiss to the camera". And she did :)))

What'd you do in such a moment? You see the girl that you like, dancing for other men, while they are typing like: "Yeah baby spread 'em, show us your pu$$y, shake that a$$, oh yeah now I will c*m" and so on. Then a guy asks: "Can you undress and take a doggy style position in private chat baby?". She replies: yes. The video stops and you get a message on the screen that she entered "private chat". There, she strips for him, she fingers herself, plays with dildos, while he's masturbating and ejaculating. After a while, she comes back in the "public chat" and she dances again to attract a new "private" customer.

I was shocked, then depressed, but there's nothing you can do except to laugh out loud at this nonsence. I recorded the streams as video files and I waited for her to appear on VK as ussual. She did. I asked: "How was your day, my dear?". She said that she was at the university and they had a lot to learn and so on :)))) I uploaded the videos and confronted her. She was caught in a lie. That webcam site can be set so that her profile will appear offline to you, while she may be actually online. Girls use these settings to hide themselves from the FSU audience (or to filter out any other unwanted viewer). However, other sites take these streams (I guess there's a cooperation among such sites) and you can watch those hidden streams with no problem.

Having no sence of shame, she again defended herself: "I never promised you to quit, I just planned to do that soon". And again: "Feel free to stop communicating if you don't like it blah-blah". She started to explain that she needed not only money, but also she suffered from depression. The people who run that site gave her "moral support" and she appreciatted that. She felt lonely after separating from her ex, she has many problems (I can't tell you about this, it's private). Here I softened a bit, so I said we will continue communicating.

I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me :) She said would like that? Yes. And she did a session for me on skype. It was not too extreme, it was OK. And it was honest, cause I wasn't her customer, but a man that she likes. Afterwards we talked (as if we are lovers talking in bed after sex). It was romantic. She was telling me about all her life, childhood, family. She showed me pics from her childhood. She looked like an innocent angel together with her younger brother. I mean, this girl is stripping for all kinds of maniacs, but then she shows you family stuff. It was weird. But then, even strippers and prostitutes have souls, don't they?

She was worried that her mum is suspicious about her job, they had a hard talk recently. This made her even more depressed and she planned to quit her job once and for all. It was a warm chat. For a moment I began to believe in humanity again. At the end, we both expressed wish to meet each other in real and then we "virtually kissed" good night.

I was confused. Your big head says "No, she's just a sl*t", your small head says "But you enjoyed that striptease didn't you?" and the heart says "Well, she has flaws, but you also did stupid things when you were young! She is an interesting person, maybe she will change?". No, she will never change. A wh0re is a wh0re. She was absent from the webcam site for a certain period. I though that maybe she finally quit, but then she re-appeared. Not only that she didn't quit, but she made new, even more provocative pics. She doesn't give a f. about her own mother, who now suffers and cries because she gave a birth to a wh0re and she asks herself: "What did I do wrong with her upbringing? Where is my daughter all night long?". If I was this mother, I would disown her, however, do you know the russian proverb: Яблоко от яблони недалеко падает (An apple falls under an apple tree). Maybe her mother was no better when she was young. The father, as the girl told me, is often absent for work and has no clue what his daughter is doing. Or maybe he doesn't exist at all. We know that many ru families consist of single mums and children.

Anyway, I had no other options than to continue the communication. I had no one else to talk. As we were becoming more closer (and even "virtually intimate") and as we discussed meeting in real, I decided to raise an important issue: STD's. Sure, we all use condoms to protect ourselves, but still... Once, we were talking about health in general. She complained that she has some health annoyances. This was a right moment to ask about hiv testing. I started it in a careful way. I asked have you been to a gynecologist, have you used condoms with your ex and then I brought up the subject of hiv. Her reaction about testing was absolutely immature and irresponsible: "What?! Do you think that I'm a h00ker or a junkie?! I know that I don't have such thing! How dare you ask?". I was shocked...

I explained her what the whole normal world knows: Anyone can be infected with hiv. The person doesn't have to be a prostitute or a heroin addict. These FSUW don't know enough about hiv or simply don't want to know. They think "it will never happen to me". Some may spread it uknowingly. At this point we had a small argument. I told her that we must care about eachother and she promised that once she gets her salary, she will make an intl hiv certificate and she will show it. Needless to say she never did it. I googled in russian to find hiv testing locations in her city and some strange websites popped up, where you can order FAKE HIV CERTIFICATES! For 10-20 bucks, you can buy yourself a fake russian hiv certificate or any other medical document! They are ussualy required when applying for certain jobs or for getting a residence permit or something. I was reading this and I was shocked! So even if the girl showed me some paper, it could be faked!

Despite all her flaws, I admit that she had some qualities, which was the reason why I didn't cut the communication. But basically, she's just one of the many shallow, irresponsible and lost young FSUW. What family oriented, what marriage minded, what cosy homes, it's all bunch of goat droppings. Our communication continued for some period. Recently, she proudly told me that she bought some clothes with her salary earned by showing pu$$y and a$$ online. The hiv certificate was not mentioned, of course. I asked about it, she again reacted angrily by telling me: "I'm not a prostitue, how can you not trust me?!" and so on. I was tired, so I said fine, you don't have to do it. I no longer believed that we will ever meet. Even if we did, we would use protection, of course!!! I promised I will not mention tests anymore, however, I added : "You'd do that if your concience tells you to do it, if you care about my safety". She said like "yeah, sure, I'll think about it" (she doesn't give a f.). We changed the subject to something nice. Everything calmed down and the communication continued (more or less) fine.

However, as the days went by, she began to be more and more distant and cold. I had to always initiate the conversation myself, because she stopped doing that. I asked her what is wrong now? She said like: "Am I not allowed to read something on VK?! Do I have to always write you?!". I asked her jokingly like: "Are you cheating me with some lover?". I reminded her that we are communicating for a month, we got quite close to eachother and it is not right to treat me as someone she doesn't know. She defended herself that she's busy, depressed, not sure what she wants in life. She said that she's not sure whether she wants to meet me, because she notices that little by little I'm kinda falling in love with her and I'm developing signs of jealousy. She also began to have a problem that I'm watching her on the webcam site. I told her that if 1000s of maniacs can watch her, why can't I do that? She admitted that she's not the type of girl for a ser relationship and that she wants to be FREE and INDEPENDENT, to make money etc. Also, she said that she has serious arguments with her mum (however, she never quit her job, she doesn't give a f. about her mum's feelings, let alone about mine).

I told her that I did everything I could to keep our communication alive, sacrificing many of my principles. I tolerated her nasty job, her instability and lies. No sane person would do that, but I'm unusual (arty, bohemian). This was already too much, so I wondered what does she want more than that?! I added that if she doesn't want anything serious, then fine! If she's not serious, then I will be not serious, too. I promised that I will supress my feelings for her, I will not fall in love, I will not insist on a relationship, but still I would like to meet her. It should just be a holiday together. We could even sleep in separately for a start. People do these things. There're travel sections on some datings sites when you can look for a travelmate. If there's a mutual sympathy, there may a short adventure & sex.

This sl*t was shocked that I evaluated her as: not serious, unstable and a liar. I replied: "Well, that's what you are. But I don't hate you. I accept you the way you are with all your тараканы в голове (bugs in your head). Let's just have fun with no strings attached as YOU wanted. You won, no reason for you to be angry". Here she went mad and said that it's time to stop our communication before any serious argument occurs. She just asked me "not to remember her in a bad way", but to "remember just the good times". This is a typical FSUW hypocrisy: "I will behave as a sl*t, I will lie, play games with people and so on, BUT please don't hold a grudge on me" (Не держи на меня зла).

I replied: "What good times to remember? Did I feel good when I watched you dancing for other men? Or when you lied to me about love, relationships and so on? But anyway. You are what you are, I can't change you. Let's just meet, who cares about feelings, there's no love in this world, just egoism and interests". At this point she blocked me. My, my, this piece of sh*t got offended. Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.

That's just one of the many stories. Tom says I don't get validation. I don't need it. The reality validates everything I write. I will never give up my opinions. They are well founded. Guys, take care and don't allow your heart to control your mind. Google is your friend. Ru soc networks too. Explore as much as possible about your FSUW. Don't be suprised if you find her on a webcam site. Many FSUW lead a DOUBLE LIFE. Sure, there are good & family oriented FSUW! I had good experiences, but good women become rare or are taken or not interested in foreigners anymore.

On the other hand, a huge % of young FSUW is westernized, they are vulgar materialists (not only the fancy divas, but even arty / intellectual women, whom you expect to be "deeper"). They are bitchy, arrogant, selfish, with no compassion, shame or self-criticism. They disrespect their love ones, they disregard love, family, fidelity, health. They sleep around, do drugs or are lesbians. They are an antipode of the "russian bride ideal", that is advertised by the dating industry. Also, many have mental issues like  pathological hatred for men, they are confused between commitment & independence etc.

You sometimes feel lonely and think: "Maybe I'm too rigid, maybe I should give the FSUW one more chance". Or "Maybe I should compromise my principles. No one's perfect". Don't do that. It's not worth it. It was good that this girl was not totally evil and she was honest with me about some things. Imagine if I learned about her dirty secrets after we started a relationship. This case was not so extreme, there are much worse. Now there was no damage except emotional one.

It's good that she showed her true colors on time. Even strippers and h00kers can have qualities. Some can be good mums, sisters or students. But what's the use of that, if you can't build anything serious with such a person? I'm not a conservative, but let's call things by their true names: she was, she is and forever she will be just a wh0re.

And how to avoid wh0res? Some imagine them as stereotypical silicon pornstars, but that's not always so obvious. Things are more complicated in the FSU. There, a modest-looking girl can have a SECRET LIFE. This girl doesn't walk on high heels in mini skirts and she doesn't have huge boobs (actually this one had small ones). She dresses in jeans and sweaters and doesn't go to trendy clubs. She's a good student, likes arts, pets and has a fat female friend from her class. When not working, she goes to bed at 10PM. Still, behind that mask, she is a wh0re. Trust no one. First shoot, then ask. Or better give up the idea of finding a FSUW. In most cases they're not worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 16, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
You are butt-hurt over it and you showed that despite saying you are not judgmental, you actually were.  It is your choice over who you socialize with, and hers too.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 16, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
You are butt-hurt over it and you showed that despite saying you are not judgmental, you actually were.  It is your choice over who you socialize with, and hers too.

I'm not butthurt, who needs a wh0re anyway? If you want her, take her, but don't blame me if you catch something nasty. It's you that is butthurt because I dared to touch your "more family oriented" and "marriage minded" FSUW. Yeah I'm judgemental, I don't like sl*ts, lies, games, shizophrenics and "white knights" who put FSUW on pedestal and allow them to get away with murder. P.S. Check those webcam sites... you never know whom may you find there....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on November 16, 2014, 08:45:26 PM
Some growing up to be done here.

You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have  known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust.  If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue,  but no,  you tormented her. You had no right to do so.

Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 16, 2014, 09:05:08 PM
Some growing up to be done here.

You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have  known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust.  If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue,  but no,  you tormented her. You had no right to do so.

Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.

I had a right to do so, as she was first lying to me that she was serious, responsible and stable about relationships and judging by her behaviour during that initial period that seemed quite convincing, so I normaly got "hooked" on her. Even after I learned nasty things about her, I was thankful for her honesty and I compromised my moral principles. I threw them down the toilet and I swallowed my pride. What do you want more than that? What can make you happy? Should we all shoot ourselves to make FSUW happy? Should we cut our balls to become eunuchs? What do you want? Gimme a break. You are defending some prostitute as if she was a lady whom I "offended". This world is really upside down.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 17, 2014, 01:16:20 AM
Some growing up to be done here.

You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have  known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust.  If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue,  but no,  you tormented her. You had no right to do so.

Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.

I had a right to do so, as she was first lying to me that she was serious, responsible and stable about relationships and judging by her behaviour during that initial period that seemed quite convincing, so I normaly giot "hooked" on her. Even after I learned nasty things about her, I was thankful for her honesty and I compromised my moral principles. I threw them down the toilet and I swallowed my pride. What do you want more than that? What can make you happy? Should we all shoot ourselves to make FSUW happy? Should we cut our balls to become eunuchs? What do you want? Gimme a break. You are defending some prostitute as if she was a lady whom I "offended". This world is really upside down.

Boy, you DO have some issues, don't you?
Personal insult removed DS........Ammended by Sparky
Go take a good long hard look at yourself in the mirror. You migh be disappointed at what is revealed that is in plain sight to us.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 01:34:22 AM
Some growing up to be done here.

You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have  known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust.  If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue,  but no,  you tormented her. You had no right to do so.

Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.

I had a right to do so, as she was first lying to me that she was serious, responsible and stable about relationships and judging by her behaviour during that initial period that seemed quite convincing, so I normaly giot "hooked" on her. Even after I learned nasty things about her, I was thankful for her honesty and I compromised my moral principles. I threw them down the toilet and I swallowed my pride. What do you want more than that? What can make you happy? Should we all shoot ourselves to make FSUW happy? Should we cut our balls to become eunuchs? What do you want? Gimme a break. You are defending some prostitute as if she was a lady whom I "offended". This world is really upside down.

Boy, you DO have some issues, don't you?
Personal insult removed DS........Ammended by Sparky
Go take a good long hard look at yourself in the mirror. You migh be disappointed at what is revealed that is in plain sight to us.

You're talking about VALUES? Oh really? OK, if she's so good, feel free to take her to your home and marry her. I'm sure you will have a long and happy marriage. And you can look yourself in the mirror as much as you want.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 17, 2014, 01:43:45 AM
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 01:49:40 AM
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.

Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kers, maybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 17, 2014, 02:00:58 AM
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.

Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
That says it all.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 02:12:41 AM
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.

Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
That says it all.

Well, how else should I call girls who sell their intimacy and sexuality for money to all kinds of maniacs?

P.S. Engineers? Doctors? Sportists? Painters?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 17, 2014, 07:46:21 AM
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.

Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
That says it all.

Well, how else should I call girls who sell their intimacy and sexuality for money to all kinds of maniacs?

P.S. Engineers? Doctors? Sportists? Painters?
The terminology you use to describe women engaged in the sex trade says more about you and your attitude to women then it does about what theses wonen do for a living.
What a person does to survive doesn't make them sub human and suffer the obvious contempt you hold them (her in).
I suspect it's because of the rejection you have had, i.e. How dare a slut/whore/hooker refuse my advances?
Or perhaps it's just the norm for the type of 'man' you are.

It's true that you've never offended me or my wife personally but I find your vulgarity and depiction of women an affront to women.
You are an affront to my gender.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 17, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
Claiming to accept someone, whilst denigrating her for her flaws, is not my idea of acceptance.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 17, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
she's relatively sexy. Not as in "supermodel with silicon boobs", but more like arty / alternative / intellectual sexy. She wasn't exactly the type that I preffer, but who cares?

I mean this is it! This is what I was looking for!


I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgmental.



I didn't judge her. However, I told her that such job is not considered NORMAL by most people.


Most young FSUW want to be INDEPENDENT. They don't care about "cosy homes, making borsch and babies" and they are not family oriented. Words like "independence" and "freedom" are frequently repeated in my conversations with the young FSUW.

Hmm, slavery was abolished in Russia long ago, just in case you didn't know...

I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell?

I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me

Anyway, I had no other options than to continue the communication.

Anyway, so far it's all quite benign and comes across as (not more than) A COGNITIVE DISSONANCE,

lo and behold, here we have:

 
Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.

1. stalking
2. anger management issues
3. verbal harassment
4. verbal life threat

Which (in best part of the US) reads as (at best) up to one year in a county jail for misdemeanor or up to four years in the  state prison for felony.


"Maybe I'm too rigid,

Nope, why would you think that?!  ;D

maybe I should give the FSUW one more chance".

Pretty please, do us all a favor and do not give the FSUW  any more chances. Thank you in advance  :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 17, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: LFTS
The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!

And there she was spot on. She should have told you to take a hike at that point if you didn't like it.

You cannot start dictating stuff to women you have never met. You find out something you don't like? You move along. You dont stalk her and abuse her. That you did what you did shows you have way more issues than she does.

As it goes, the webcam stuff is getting quite big across the FSU. Lots of women do it now. Its an easy way to make some cash. There are thousands of women on those sites, nobody is likely to recognise them in the supermarket, their exact location isn't likely to be disclosed, its a very, very tame edge of the sex industry and actually a very safe one where the women can work within their own boundaries with zero risk. I don't think its a big deal actually.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 17, 2014, 10:45:12 AM
LFTS,

Having read your screed, it tells me quite a lot about who you are. Clearly somethings really upset you and irrespective of your disclaimers, you have some serious baggage. If I weren't looking for a partner in the FSU, I wouldn't waste a minute of my precious time contacting women on dating websites. That in itself is disturbing.

Now you haven't touched any nerves with me and I take none of your rants as a personal attack on my wife but I'll call it for what it is. This woman who you had some kind of initial 'chemistry' with, has opened up and told you what she does. This requires a lot of trust in itself and you simply threw it all back in her face. I'm sure the next guy who comes along will thank you eternally for leaving the notion that all men are immature, thoughtless, insensitive, insecure halfwits. There's every chance that this lady isn't particularly proud of what she's doing to earn coin but you just shat it back in her face!

The most important thing here however, seeing we only 'know' you, is how you behaved. If this lady wasn't your cup of tea, then any grown up adult would have told her why he didn't want to continue corresponding and made his exit. What you did was just plain weird and unnecessary. Don't get confused thinking that we're sticking FSU ladies on some kind of undeserved pedestal, because we're not. Perhaps you genuinely believe all girls in this type of industry are drug fuelled, lifeless whores and that in itself is very very naive......

To take the high ground on this one, you should have behaved more like a man.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 12:04:10 PM
Volshe, if something is not clear to you in my text, you could politely ask me for clarification and not rush to offend me. Now I will explain all the points that interested you, one by one.

maybe I should give the FSUW one more chance".

Pretty please, do us all a favor and do not give the FSUW  any more chances. Thank you in advance  :)

You have some exclusive ownership over all FSUW? And, no, I will not give them any more chances, don't worry. I don't want a wife who pushes dildos in her vagina in front of cameras and 1000s of cheering old perverts, who are masturbating and ejaculating. If you have no moral problem with that, then allow your wife or daughter to do that.

After seeing that many young FSUW are morally corrupted, shallow, lying and disrespectful, I have no wish to take such a SNAKE into my home. Not all of them are such, of course, I never said that. Some are good, some are bad, some are in a middle "gray" zone, like confused, not knowing what they do etc. Sure there are many wonderful women there, but they are mostly taken. They don't undress on porn sites, but they do honest jobs, they study and take care of their husbands and children. Sure that there may be good persons even among strippers and porn actresses, but c'mon, let's be f0kken realistic: that's not the kind of woman you would like to introduce to your parents. At least , that's how the majority of people think in this world. If you have no moral problem with that, feel free to marry such a woman.

she's relatively sexy. Not as in "supermodel with silicon boobs", but more like arty / alternative / intellectual sexy. She wasn't exactly the type that I preffer, but who cares?

I meant her "type" as in physical appeareance and her way of clothing was not exactly what I was looking for. We all have some concept or a fantasy in our heads of how we want our "ideal" partner to look. Still, this girl was very cute, so I though why not? Sure, I don't insist on silicon boobs, that was just a joke.

I mean this is it! This is what I was looking for!

On an intellectual and spiritual level, yes, it seemed to me that  "she is the one" until I learned that there's a completely different person behind that mask of a modest, innocent and sensual girl. Like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Even when I learned some nasty facts about her, I didn't rush to dump her. On one hand it did hurt me, but on the other, I was thankful for her honesty. I had a dillema and decided to give this communication a chance, until it became clear that it's pointless.

I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgmental.

I didn't judge her. However, I told her that such job is not considered NORMAL by most people.

I didn't judge her but I warned her that most people don't consider that normal. In most societies, such job is not compatible with the moral norms, so it's not considered "normal". It's a simple truth and you won't change that. She may hurt her family if they learn about this (and they're already suspicious, her mother is now suffering and crying). She may also get a bad reputation in the area where she lives etc... etc.... She may ruin her own life and the lives of her love ones. Even if she quits, the dirty laundry from the past can re-appear in her future when she least expect it. There's nothing wrong to warn people whom you care about, it's not judging.

Most young FSUW want to be INDEPENDENT. They don't care about "cosy homes, making borsch and babies" and they are not family oriented. Words like "independence" and "freedom" are frequently repeated in my conversations with the young FSUW.

Hmm, slavery was abolished in Russia long ago, just in case you didn't know...

The dating industry spread myths that FSUW want to COMMIT. It claimed that they are more family oriented, more marriage minded, more traditional and that they want to find a stable man for creating a family, cosy home,  etc. In many cases this is simply not true. There are milions of young FSUW who don't want that at all. They are an antipode to those values. In a moral sence they are not different than the western women. This was an overidealization of the FSUW.

I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell?

Yes, when you see that the whole world went nuts, no one cares about any love, emotions and values, you say what the hell, why should I be a naive innocent angel? Life gives you lemons, you make a lemonade. You see that these women (not all of them, but many) are shallow and you say: well I will be shallow, too. Let's just have a holiday and maybe a sexual adventure with no strings attached and that's it. To be honest I wanted love, but there's no love in this cruel world.

I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me

Very logical. If she has no shame to undress for all kinds of old perverts and to do all kinds of nasty games for them, then why she'd have a problem to undress for the guy that she likes? She did like me and she did that.

Anyway, I had no other options than to continue the communication.

Yes, I didn't have no one to talk. I admit that I felt a bit lonely. But it's better to be lonely than to be with a wrong person, so I kinda appealed to the readers of this forum not to compromise their principles, because such sacrifice is not worth it.

 
Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.

For a long time I swallowed my pride and compromised all my moral principles just to be with this person, but after it was clear that she doesn't appreciatte that, normally she was sent to хуй as russian says. It was well deserved.

1. stalking
2. anger management issues
3. verbal harassment
4. verbal life threat

Which (in best part of the US) reads as (at best) up to one year in a county jail for misdemeanor or up to four years in the  state prison for felony.


What stalking? She was writing me actively, she was like "stalking me" (in a positive way), she liked me. The communication was both ways, not only from my side. Only in the end she became cold and distant. Or you meant I stalked her on the webcam site? Well, if milions of perverts can watch her, why would I not be allowed to do that? Also, she promised that she will quit, so I wanted to check if she will really do it. And there was no verbal harrasment except at the end when everything exploded. And there is no life threat, stop inventing. But she'll pay for all her lies and hurting other people, including her family, that's for sure. There must be some justice in this universe.

"Maybe I'm too rigid,

Nope, why would you think that?!  ;D

I proved to be not so rigid. I made lot of compromises, I swallowed my pride and even that was not good enough for this sl*t. Nothing is good enough for them. This case just proved everything I wrote in this thread previously. Many young FSUW are corrupted.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 17, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
You had a mental image in your mind, of what she could be and should be, and, when she deviated from that in real life, you became angry with her.

Rather than blow up at people on the forum, let me ask you: did you learn anything about yourself through this episode, that you think will help you in the future in your relations with women?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 12:54:45 PM
As it goes, the webcam stuff is getting quite big across the FSU. Lots of women do it now. Its an easy way to make some cash. There are thousands of women on those sites, nobody is likely to recognise them in the supermarket, their exact location isn't likely to be disclosed, its a very, very tame edge of the sex industry and actually a very safe one where the women can work within their own boundaries with zero risk. I don't think its a big deal actually.

Manny, thank you for confirming that many FSUW are doing that and that such "job" is considered "normal" over there. Everything I wrote in this thread is confirmed: many FSUW are morally corrupted. That's a total opposition to the "more family oriented, traditional and marriage minded women" that were so much advertised by the dating industry. The myths are crushed to pieces (which was the intention of this thread, thank you for helping that).

Maybe we can choose to be liberal, but as russian say: ВСЕМУ ЕСТЬ ПРЕДЕЛ (Everything must have it's limits, boundaries). I'm not a taleban or a hardline conservative, not at all! I do like porn. I like to watch naked women, I'm not gay. But there must be some moral order or we will just murder, rape and eat eachother like cannibals. The dating industry claimed that in RU and such countries, the moral and familial values are better preserved than in the decadent West, so it's a good place to look for an uncorrupted woman. However, you just confirmed that many women there are actually corrupted. The FSU dating industry is dying, the emperor has no clothes.

If some of you guys don't have a moral problem with that, then think whether you would want to have such a gf, wife or a such daughter. Let's cut the politicaly correct BS. It's a fact that most of you won't like to be in a such situation.

Quote from: LFTS
The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!

And there she was spot on. She should have told you to take a hike at that point if you didn't like it.

You cannot start dictating stuff to women you have never met. You find out something you don't like? You move along. You dont stalk her and abuse her. That you did what you did shows you have way more issues than she does.

SHE LIED THAT SHE IS SERIOUS, RESPONSIBLE AND STABLE ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL, WHICH MADE ME HOOKED. I WAS DECEIVED.

Later it became clear that she lied about that. First of all, she's irresponsible to her parents, she is irresponsible in relationships, she doesn't know what she wants, she is irresponsible with her morality and finally she is irresponsible with her health and the health of her sexual partner.

STILL, I'm not SO brutally rigid. I was thankful for her honesty and I didn't dump her (she was not 100% evil, but let's say 90% ). I'm not saying that everything is so black and white. There's black and white in everyone, but one of the colors can dominate. I gave our communication a chance. I made lot of unpleasant compromises, that no sane person should do, but she didn't appreciate it.

And I wasn't dictating anything, stop inventing. I just warned her that her job is not considered normal and I warned her about the possible consequences. I did that because I cared about her and her family. Suggesting a STD test is not dictating, but thats what all sane and responsible people should do. I even gave up that idea when it became clear that she didn't want to do it and I compromised my health. It's great that we never met, who knows what I could catch.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 17, 2014, 01:10:08 PM
I'm not a taleban or a hardline conservative, not at all! I do like porn. I like to watch naked women,
It just gets better and better.
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the emperor has no clothes.

You said it.

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If some of you guys don't have a moral problem with that, then think whether you would want to have such a gf, wife or a such daughter. Let's cut the politicaly correct BS. It's a fact that most of you won't like to be in a such situation.

Ah, but it's ok if they're someone else's gf, wife or daughter. Keeps your conscience clear, does it?

Sheesh.


Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 17, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Volshe, if something is not clear to you in my text, you could politely ask me for clarification and not rush to offend me. Now I will explain all the points that interested you, one by one.

Thank you. I didn't want to offend you and, honestly, i am sorry that you are upset because of that relationship (may it be merely virtual, but it's still a relationship methinks.)


You have some exclusive ownership over all FSUW? And, no, I will not give them any more chances, don't worry. I don't want a wife who pushes dildos in her vagina in front of cameras and 1000s of cheering old perverts, who are masturbating and ejaculating. If you have no moral problem with that, then allow your wife or daughter to do that.
I am a 'gal 'n hetero, so no wives for me  :knit:
longingforthesouth, maybe it's her kink? I had met (also online) a guy who seemed to be a real gentleman, except that he was (in his words).... well, a sadist.
Not my cup of tea, but, hey, whatever makes one happy, as long as it's adults and it's consensual, if you know what i mean.

After seeing that many young FSUW are morally corrupted, shallow, lying and disrespectful, I have no wish to take such a SNAKE into my home. Not all of them are such, of course, I never said that. Some are good, some are bad, some are in a middle "gray" zone, like confused, not knowing what they do etc. Sure there are many wonderful women there, but they are mostly taken. They don't undress on porn sites, but they do honest jobs, they study and take care of their husbands and children. Sure that there may be good persons even among strippers and porn actresses, but c'mon, let's be f0kken realistic: that's not the kind of woman you would like to introduce to your parents. At least , that's how the majority of people think in this world. If you have no moral problem with that, feel free to marry such a woman.
Ehem... "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." I wouldn't want my hypothetical daughter to be on a sex cam, but then, i doubt anyone sane would. On the other side, it's not that she killed someone... Depending on one's perception, it can be viewed as her having fun, making a buck at the side etc. I am from a very conservative society, so it would be considered a shame here, but once again - my country is widely considered to be the most conservative in Europe, so we are not the measure here. That being said, i do think that you are overreacting, generalizing and also being very judgmental.
The girl was very honest with you - she didn't ask you for money and she did tell you what she does; as the guys before me said, a mature reaction would be to move on, if you didn't like what she had to offer. She was very nice to you, regardless of what she does for living (or out of pleasure or whatsoever.)
I am not Russian/ FSU, but i did feel offended when i read those adjectives with which you describe Russian (and FSU) girls, i do have many close Russian/ FSU girlfriends, my Russian friends have daughters and i feel horribly offended for them.
I really wish you to find whom you are looking for and i wish you true fulfillment and happiness in your family, but do try to be kinder and more forgiving, so to achieve that (not only to Eastern Europeans, it's not that we need your approval, what i meant is - be kinder to the human race in general...   tiphat )
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 17, 2014, 01:35:44 PM
As it goes, the webcam stuff is getting quite big across the FSU. Lots of women do it now. Its an easy way to make some cash. There are thousands of women on those sites, nobody is likely to recognise them in the supermarket, their exact location isn't likely to be disclosed, its a very, very tame edge of the sex industry and actually a very safe one where the women can work within their own boundaries with zero risk. I don't think its a big deal actually.

Manny, thank you for confirming that many FSUW are doing that and that such "job" is considered "normal" over there. Everything I wrote in this thread is confirmed: many FSUW are morally corrupted. That's a total opposition to the "more family oriented, traditional and marriage minded women" that were so much advertised by the dating industry. The myths are crushed to pieces (which was the intention of this thread, thank you for helping that).

That the international dating industry gild the lily a tad isn't new news.

If they are morally corrupted, they will be just as much so as all the British, American, French, Dutch, etc. women on such sites. Its called supply and demand.

Quote from: LFTS
The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!

And there she was spot on. She should have told you to take a hike at that point if you didn't like it.

You cannot start dictating stuff to women you have never met. You find out something you don't like? You move along. You dont stalk her and abuse her. That you did what you did shows you have way more issues than she does.

SHE LIED THAT SHE IS SERIOUS, RESPONSIBLE AND STABLE ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL, WHICH MADE ME HOOKED. I WAS DECEIVED.

Later it became clear that she lied about that. First of all, she's irresponsible to her parents, she is irresponsible in relationships, she doesn't know what she wants, she is irresponsible with her morality and finally she is irresponsible with her health and the health of her sexual partner.

So because she does a little webcam stripping she is not serious, responsible or looking for a relationship? Like one automatically prohibits the other?

How did she lie? She told you about her job voluntarily, probably expecting you to take a more mature stance on it. She could have just lied and you would have never have known. She took a shot. Personally, I would have respected that honesty irrespective of what I thought about her job.

Would you rather see her up at 6am slopping toilets out in some factory or carrying 30kg boxes in a market for less money like many women have to? Her life, her body, her choice.

Irresponsible with her health? She isn't going to catch HIV down a webcam line. You were banging on about HIV tests and hadn't even booked a flight? Book a flight, offer to pay for the test and maybe you could bring this up. In the context of you preaching like a Victorian baptist minister at her, she saw no need, as the only way you are going to get her knickers off is on webcam. As she even wryly demonstrated for you.   :chuckle:

Build a relationship with her, then you would have had the opportunity to mention you are not keen on her job.

You don't get to call the shots when you are a bloke who only exists on the end of a computer line.

You missed the train. The girl who other guys pay to see on cam gave you a genuine shot at being her boyfriend. You blew it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 17, 2014, 01:36:15 PM


The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?! We haven't even met, I'm single! I plan to quit anyway!". She added that many "decent women" from her city do that.

 You see the girl that you like, dancing for other men, while they are typing like: "Yeah baby spread 'em, show us your pu$$y, shake that a$$, oh yeah now I will c*m" and so on.

Having no sence of shame,


I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me :) She said would like that? Yes. And she did a session for me on skype.

  this girl is stripping for all kinds of maniacs,

I was confused. Your big head says "No, she's just a sl*t", your small head says "But you enjoyed that striptease didn't you?"


 I told her that we must care about eachother and she promised that once she gets her salary, she will make an intl hiv certificate and she will show it. Needless to say she never did it.




However, as the days went by, she began to be more and more distant and cold. I had to always initiate the conversation myself, because she stopped doing that. I asked her what is wrong now?

 I took some of your sentences and strung them in one quote, I couldn't be bothered to do all the copy & pasting.

  For what its worth I used to socialise with a girl from Odessa who did the web cam thing back in the mid 2000's. She was a very nice girl who would be able to pass a ILETS test in 3 languages.  She had her own clients that would SMS her to book a cam appointment at $40 per hour. So if she worked an hour a day, she made about $38 more an hour more then another 20 something was earning at the time.  In a country like Ukraine, that is one way to survive the poverty.
 Much like this other girl I knew in Odessa, she was a nurse but made more money stripping in Switzerland, when she returned she never went back to nursing, as it didn't pay much more than $150 per month.
 
 Anyway, one evening we were heading to a café and she gets a call. She postponed the session and continued her night with us. He was a regular client of hers, so I suppose he was rescheduled for another time.
 She wasn't a slut, a whore, or whatever other name you want to tag her with. She was doing what she could to make it in Ukraine. She was a fun girl to go clubbing with. I don't know if she's still doing the cam thing, as I lost contact with her shortly after my holidaying in Odessa ended.

 But dude, you need to relax and take a chill pill. I have no idea why that girl you corresponded with even bothered after the verbal control behavior you gave her on a regular basis. Asking for a HIV test? You had yet to even meet, and you just assumed you would be fuking her nightly.
 That girl may have some confidence issues, her depression may fade while she does her cam work, as this way she has direction and empowerment in her life.

 Anyway, good luck with the girls, I think you need to change your behavior before you'll find any true happiness.


 PS;
 
 You're a man who has lots of anger towards this woman. I hope this ends at the keypad.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 17, 2014, 02:31:38 PM
... You're a man who has lots of anger towards this woman.

... not just this woman.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 02:36:26 PM
Manny and Donhollio,

You say I sound like a baptist minister? Well Manny: morality, family values, tradition, fidelity, kids and cooking were the most important qualities of the "russian bride" that was advertised by the dating industry. Now we see that many FSUW don't posses such qualities (they're actually shallow, unstable, don't want to commit etc.), so the dating industry looses it's foundations and collapses like a house of cards. The lies are over and you won't change that by relativizing. Speaking of that, if everything is relative to you and nothing is sacred, then my opinion about you will not be very good and I will not take you seriously anymore.

Now, if someone decided to be a porn actress, stripper or a prostitute, fine! She should say that loudly at the very start and not lie to people that she is "an angel", because sooner or later, she will be asked about her job and there will be disappointments and broken hearts. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DOUBLE LIFE, it's not right.

In the beginning, the girl didn't talk about her job. When I asked about it, first she said that "she is answering calls". First I though that it's some customer support. I accepted the answer and I didn't bother her with that subject anymore. It sounded boring anyway, so I wasn't interested to ask further. I imagined her sitting in some office answering telephone calls.

However, AFTER we got close to eachother, I wanted to know more about her and her job and I felt comfortable enough to make that dirty joke about "sexy hotlines" (I wouldn't tell such a joke in the first conversation, of course!). Only at this point she revealed her secret life. If I didn't make that joke, I guess that she would never tell me. So it took some time and work until she told me, but then I was already "hooked" and it was hard to get out. Anyway, I accepted that fact and didn't dump her. I just warned her of the consuequences and I expressed hope that she'll quit.

However: Not only her job is a problem.

- In the beginning, she represented herself to me as a person who cares about relationships and takes them seriously. It was a lie. Later she admitted that she actually don't want to commit.

- She was giving false promises, she lied about many things. She promised she'll quit her job (I never dictated that, but I expressed hope that she will do that). She didn't quit. Later, she claimed that she's worried about her mother's feelings and promised to finally quit, but she proved not to give a f*ck  about her own mother and she didn't quit.

- She liked my invitation for a meeting in real, I accepted all her conditions and I threw my principles down the toilet but she didn't appreciate that and never visited me.

- She promised that she'll make a std test and never did it. Of course, you don't ask a total stranger to make a test just like that! I asked about testing in a careful and tactical way when it was a right time: when we were already "close to eachother"; when we already had "virtual intimacy" and talked about sex openly; when we began to consider the ideas for meeting in real.

What I did was 100% right, stop blaming me for being reasonable and stop excusing her irresponsible behaviour. Your value system is totally upside down. You disregard all the values, health and other important things in life!

She's just a shallow and lost in space person. Probably a shizophrenic. You cannot rely on such people. You cannnot make any agreement, be it about a holiday, relationship, let alone a marriage. For them nothing is sacred.

That's why I call her names such as a shizophrenic bitch. It's well deserved. Such people change every day / week / month (depends). Now that may explain her failed marriage (if it really existed, maybe only in her head). The words and promises of such people have no weight, it's just farting in the wind. Stop defending them, they don't deserve that, they are not victims.

Instead, we must warn good men about all the unpleasant things that may happen to them during their search for a FSUW. Guests are now reading this and though they do not participate here, I hope they remember all these things and they will take care. Greetings to them btw.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 17, 2014, 05:12:15 PM
 :chuckle:

Who do you think you are? Sorry but you're just some random bozo giving her an unreasonable list of demands over der internet and asking her to quit her job when you've not even met!! Unreal...seriously mate take a reality check.

The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...

Big deal, get over it. This girl wasn't your idealic innocent doll so move on. And now take a deep breath and try to grasp the concept that this experience doesn't represent the stereotype of FSU women.

Control freak!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 17, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Manny and Donhollio,
 Later, she claimed that she's worried about her mother's feelings and promised to finally quit, but she proved not to give a f*ck  about her own mother and she didn't quit.

- She liked my invitation for a meeting in real, I accepted all her conditions and I threw my principles down the toilet but she didn't appreciate that and never visited me.

- She promised that she'll make a std test and never did it. Of course, you don't ask a total stranger to make a test just like that! I asked about testing in a careful and tactical way when it was a right time: when we were already "close to eachother"; when we already had "virtual intimacy" and talked about sex openly; when we began to consider the ideas for meeting in real.


That's why I call her names such as a shizophrenic bitch. It's well deserved. Such people change every day / week / month (depends).

 Tell us when your advances (your moves) on a local girl get refused, do you walk away and think to yourself damn wish she liked me. Or do you utter some vile comments about her either to yourself, or to your pals? Or do you say something to her face?

  Look dude, she is just fine, you're the one with issues, many issues.

 She is I'm sure worried about her mom finding out what she does for a living, but that money she makes and (most likely they live together) puts food on the table and keeps the electricity flowing.  You have any idea what a chicken costs in UA these days? Transportation on a mini bus? A taxi? A few dollars per hour is tough to live on, her cam job gives them the ability to tread water a little higher than their neighbour.  Right now in Tashkent 1.5L bottle of cola goes for about $5, and a chicken is the same price as you pay at your market.  UZ is not UA , but you may be able to see why someone would do this as a job instead of being a store clerk. making very little per week.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 17, 2014, 06:22:26 PM
Manny, you are a mod of this forum, people respect you and trust your opinions. Now I want to say something important about that. I don't like to offend people, but my impression about you (at least from your recent writtings) is that you are an immature and irresponsible person. I hope that you are not such in real life. From now on, I will look at your opinions in a different way. Obviously, nothing is sacred for you, everything is relative, there are no rules and so on. I don't attack people for nothing, so please let me explain my opinion:

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Irresponsible with her health? She isn't going to catch HIV down a webcam line. You were banging on about HIV tests and hadn't even booked a flight? Book a flight, offer to pay for the test and maybe you could bring this up.

Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU? Your disregard for human health and life is absolutely immature, irresponsible and it can ruin someones life. These advices of yours are a recipe for a disaster. I'm shocked. Everyone can get HIV. Even people who had just one partner in life. Even people who never had sex (bad infusions, drugs or they can get it from infected parents). Now, person who prostitues herself virtually may also prostitue herself in real life. Not necesarily, of course! However, after learning that this person has loose moral "brakes", you normally become more cautious (as every sane person should be). Of course, you don't ask a total stranger to show you her hiv test. If you became very close to this person, if you share your intimacy with her, if you talk about sex and health openly with her and you plan to meet in real with a possibility for sex, testing would be a very responsible thing to do. NOT THE FLIGHT TICKET IS THE FIRST, HEALTH COMES FIRST, MANNY. Once you learn about this person as much as possible, THEN comes the time to book the ticket.

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So because she does a little webcam stripping she is not serious, responsible or looking for a relationship? Like one automatically prohibits the other?

It's disastrous that I must now teach you about certain values and norms. Really, how old are you Manny? Normal people don't stick dildos in their a$$ in front of a camera. They simply don't do that. If you haven't learned these basic things in life of what is OK and what is wrong, then something is very wrong with your education and upbringing. Your relativization sounds like: "She strips on camera? Weeell so what? Not a big deal". Tomorow it can be: "She prostitues herself? Weeell so what? Not a big deal" or "She shoots heroin? Weeell not a big deal". Would you allow this to happen to your daughter? Manny, you are a mature person and let's not argue over this, cause I'm right. There are some universal limits of what is considered normal and acceptable and you will never change that.

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Would you rather see her up at 6am slopping toilets out in some factory or carrying 30kg boxes in a market for less money like many women have to? Her life, her body, her choice.

How can ask such question? Manny, seriously, how old are you? Of course I would rather see her doing a honest hard job and I'd respect her for that much more. No, it's not her body, her choice. You can't look for independence and serious relationship at the same time. If she decided to look for a relationship, then she must be ready to voluntarily sacrifice her independence (and her partner must do that, too). You can't have it both ways. Normal people don't do that. You are married and you know what I'm talking about. You are a grown up person.

Manny, I don't hate you and I don't even know you, but I'm very shocked and disappointed. I'm also shocked and disappointed by the reaction of the other guys. Many didn't even read my text carefully, which can be seen by their comments.

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but that money she makes and (most likely they live together) puts food on the table and keeps the electricity flowing.

Donhollio, you havent even read my text obviously. She's working to buy herself things, new jeans and stuff, hoping that one day she may be independent. HER FAMILY IS NOT STARVING. They are sort of middle class. Even if they are starving, she does not give a f. about them. She broke the heart of her own mother. She doesn't really need to do this, so don't invent excuses for her. You have no clue what we are talking about, obviously.

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Asking for a HIV test? You had yet to even meet, and you just assumed you would be fuking her nightly.

Making a HIV test is a MATURE and RESPONSIBLE thing to do. You are an immature and irresponsible person, obviously. Asking for test is not only for protecting yourself, but it's also a test of how responsible she is and how much she cares about the safety of her love ones. Yes, we planned to fukk in case we meet and if there's a mutual sympathy, of course. We became close to each other (at least virtually), she did "shows" for me, we exchanged porn clips, we talked about sex, sexual health and so on, and there came the issue of testing. I didn't ask a total stranger to test herself. If you have nothing wise to say, better be quiet.

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The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...

I see, Rosco. Thank you for telling me what kind of women you hanged out with in your life. It tells a lot about you.

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Who do you think you are? Sorry but you're just some random bozo giving her an unreasonable list of demands over der internet and asking her to quit her job when you've not even met!! Unreal...seriously mate take a reality check.

I never demanded anything from her, why are you lying? I just told her my (negative) opinion about her job, I warned her about the consequences and I expressed hopes that she will quit AND SHE PROMISED THAT SHE WILL QUIT, EVEN IF I DON'T ASK FOR IT. She promised that TWICE. But she lied. I also suggested as a MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE person to get tested, it's not an unreasonable demand. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ MY TEXT, DIDN'T YOU?

Judging by your childish comments, you guys seem to be not serious persons. I hope that you are not like this in real life.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on November 17, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?
                   He is 29. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: lonedrake on November 17, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
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Manny, people  trust your opinions


Oh man….you made my day :ROFL:





Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2014, 12:58:50 AM
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?
                   He is 29.

And three quarters.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 18, 2014, 01:49:26 AM
LFTS - You're a hysterical chauvinist with double standards. I read everything you wrote and it reeks of naivety.   
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on November 18, 2014, 01:59:07 AM
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?
                   He is 29.

And three quarters.  :chuckle:

more like 29 x 1.5
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 02:24:05 AM
LFTS - You're a hysterical chauvinist with double standards. I read everything you wrote and it reeks of naivety.

The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...

Guys, practice what you preach. Don't give me advices that you would never apply in your own life. If you have no principles and you are fine with this virtual prostitution, then buy yourself dildos, join some gay webcam site and do the work. Some pervert will pay you for a private chat and he'll force you to do all kinds of nasty stuff, while he will masturbate. But who cares, you will earn money and that's the most important, right? I don't think you'd do that.

Human dignity is not for sale. Maybe only in extremely "life or death" situations. Even then it's better to die than to be a wh0re. I despise this vulgar materialism and westernization of the FSU, that people like you condone. I do admire positive things about the West (democracy, rule of law, economy, popular culture), but there are many negative ones.

Look how you praised that stripper "who was making 1000 of pounds per week TAX FREE". Wow, what an achievement! As if she invented the alternated current or a cure for aids! Rosco, how much does human dignity costs without value added tax? Please let's talk using business terms such as "tax", "supply and demand" etc., as if we are talking about selling potatoes and not human dignity. Sarcasm intended.

Did you love her or it was just sexual? If you loved her, then how could you watch all that without any feelings? What kind of "love" is that without any jealousy? And did she love you? If yes, why she was doing this to you? Of course you didn't marry her, normal people usually don't marry such women, but you are convincing me to accept such a compromise. Practise what you preach.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on November 18, 2014, 02:27:05 AM
LFTS,


You've more issues than vogue, you bitter individual.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 02:29:29 AM
LFTS,


You've more issues than vogue, you bitter individual.

What a strong counter-argument, now you got me.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 18, 2014, 02:49:37 AM
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.

Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 03:06:35 AM
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.

Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.

I didn't generalize. I repeated 458 times that there're good fsuw. I don't know about the ones that you mention. After this "virtual prostitute", I'm even more mistrustful. Many girls have double lives, one for their families and another on porn sites, even though they may seem to you completely OK. Why I meet bad women? I don't know, that's what I found, that's available on the dating sites. I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on November 18, 2014, 03:11:08 AM
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.

Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.

I didn't generalize. I repeated 458 times that there're good fsuw. I don't know about the ones that you mention. After this "virtual prostitute", I'm even more mistrustful. Many girls have double lives, one for their families and another on porn sites, even though they may seem to you completely OK. Why I meet bad women? I don't know, that's what I found, that's available on the dating sites. I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.

LFTS,

Please post a link to her profile or a photo of said hooker, I'm intrigued if others would have judged her to be as innocent as you did.

I mean you do seem to find the bad 1s so I'd like to see what women you are contacting.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 03:16:16 AM

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

Danchik, i am not longingforthesouth, but i must say i think you hit the nail on the head here... Like attracts like. (Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where  nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
I've seen many girls, who seemingly only wanted to party and have fun, become exemplary spouses and mothers with the right guy... More so, i think most of the young women - in FSU and elsewhere - are NOT obsessed with the idea to make borsch and babies since their very birth, that comes with time and with the right man. I think it's a social construct - that women there are so very much different than women anywhere; true - fashion and styling and level of maintenance may differ, but Eastern Europeans are your fellow humans, not an alien race  ;D
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 18, 2014, 03:31:57 AM

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

(Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where  nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
I also don't think this women is some bad "loser".

I too, have met great mothers and wives, not only in the FSU, but the USA, who have done some things they are not particularly proud of in their youth, or under difficult situations, yet went on to live very normal, productive lives raising normal productive children and having loving, monogamous relationships.

Let's not forget about the men who also fall under this category. :)

I've seen many girls, who seemingly only wanted to party and have fun, become exemplary spouses and mothers with the right guy... More so, i think most of the young women - in FSU and elsewhere - are NOT obsessed with the idea to make borsch and babies since their very birth, that comes with time and with the right man. I think it's a social construct - that women there are so very much different than women anywhere; true - fashion and styling and level of maintenance may differ, but Eastern Europeans are your fellow humans, not an alien race  ;D
Well said Volshe.

I must say you're a breath of fresh air here, and I hope you continue to post and share your thoughts with the forum regularly. Welcome tiphat
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 18, 2014, 03:51:04 AM
I'm even more mistrustful.
This is but a small part of your problem.

If you read my post to Volshe, you'll see that I agree with her, and never admitted the girl was bad. I don't know the girl in question and I don't know you, just your side of the story. I also try not to make these kinds of judgments about people I don't know well; talking to people over the internet without meeting them first doesn't give me much insight to their character or lives.

The internet is brimming with people who misrepresent themselves for a variety of reasons from every country imaginable, especially to strangers.

And we all know there are two sides to every story.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 03:55:44 AM

(Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where  nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
I also don't think this women is some bad "loser".

I too, have met great mothers and wives, not only in the FSU, but the USA, who have done some things they are not particularly proud of in their youth, or under difficult situations, yet went on to live very normal, productive lives raising normal productive children and having loving, monogamous relationships.

Let's not forget about the men who also fall under this category. :) [/quote]

Absolutely. As Russians say: жизнь прожить - не поле перейти.
(I know that you understand, but for those who don't , it's an old saying which literally means 'living life is not as simple as crossing a field' ... and i am not sure what would be the English equivalent. :( )

Well said Volshe.

I must say you're a breath of fresh air here, and I hope you continue to post and share your thoughts with the forum regularly. Welcome tiphat
Thank you so much, Danchik. I enjoy your posts and read them with interest   :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 18, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Having been to Montenegro, I can say I really like the country, and that whole area (Croatia, Bosnia) is a short drive away should you want to take a quick look see at those countries. It's definitely worth a visit for anyone thinking of a place to vacation with your FSUW. It is visa-free for all RW (as is Croatia, Bosnia) and the Adriatic is IMO an underrated body of water.

Also packed with single women in the summer for the worldly single guy looking for an alternative vacation spot. 
 
Thank you, Danchik, it's really nice to hear!  :)
We love Russians/ Russian-speaking and like foreigners in general, so all are welcomed  ;D
AND i think the possibility to meet ladies here is really not advertised sufficiently - i blame it on our guys who really don't want to share us with anyone  >:( ;D
Btw, since recently, Croatia had to introduce visas because they joined the EU... It's a pity, really, because they had a lof revenues from Russian-speaking tourists  :(
Thanks for the update about visas to Croatia.

My friend visited Croatia a couple of years ago and didn't need a visa. I was down there 5 hears ago with a group of Russian girls and they were able to travel around the area without any problems. Gee, who would of thought that a local would know more about where they live than someone who had just travelled there in the past? :) :P

However, even though one is needed now, it is extremely easy to get, and I highly recommend going there to anyone looking for, as you said, a beautiful place with beautiful women that is basically under the radar.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 04:12:29 AM
However, even though one is needed now, it is extremely easy to get, and I highly recommend going there to anyone looking for, as you said, a beautiful place with beautiful women that is basically under the radar.
Thank you, Danchik!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 04:38:47 AM
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.

If you read my post to Volshe, you'll see that I agree with her, and never admitted the girl was bad.

Danchik,  you called the girl a LOSER first, but afterwards you say she's not bad? Are you changing your opinions so quickly? Like that shizophrenic girl who strips online? Or maybe you are now uncomfortable to criticise women, because Volshe joined the conversation? Don't worry, she seems to be a good person. She will not take it personally. It's not a crime if you have an opinion, you don't have to always be a "white knight". Say it as it is.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 18, 2014, 04:50:55 AM
LFTS - You're a hysterical chauvinist with double standards. I read everything you wrote and it reeks of naivety.

The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...


Guys, practice what you preach. Don't give me advices that you would never apply in your own life. If you have no principles and you are fine with this virtual prostitution, then buy yourself dildos, join some gay webcam site and do the work. Some pervert will pay you for a private chat and he'll force you to do all kinds of nasty stuff, while he will masturbate. But who cares, you will earn money and that's the most important, right? I don't think you'd do that.

Human dignity is not for sale. Maybe only in extremely "life or death" situations. Even then it's better to die than to be a wh0re. I despise this vulgar materialism and westernization of the FSU, that people like you condone. I do admire positive things about the West (democracy, rule of law, economy, popular culture), but there are many negative ones.

Look how you praised that stripper "who was making 1000 of pounds per week TAX FREE". Wow, what an achievement! As if she invented the alternated current or a cure for aids! Rosco, how much does human dignity costs without value added tax? Please let's talk using business terms such as "tax", "supply and demand" etc., as if we are talking about selling potatoes and not human dignity. Sarcasm intended.

Did you love her or it was just sexual? If you loved her, then how could you watch all that without any feelings? What kind of "love" is that without any jealousy? And did she love you? If yes, why she was doing this to you? Of course you didn't marry her, normal people usually don't marry such women, but you are convincing me to accept such a compromise. Practise what you preach.

I was 23 and at University enjoying a very relaxed, non committed period in my life. Thank god I wasn't stiff as a board like you otherwise I'd properly have missed out on growing up! I've never once praised this girl for what she did or said that I'd want my wife/sister/daughter doing likewise but I'm open minded and mature enough not to judge and abuse her. Immature, insecure boys do that.The environment she worked in wasn't particularly healthy but having seen what went on, it was the men who were being exploited.

Most of the girls at that club were students and outside of it they were just normal girls getting on in life. She was intelligent, kind and fun to be around and working at the club did get her down on occasion. Personally I think she was addicted to the cash but why should I judge her or call her a worthless whore? She paid for her Masters degree, bought a great flat in Edinburgh and had shoes for every day of the year. She quit after her last year, got married and runs her own business.

It's fine that your a little backwards and that you find anything other than ankle length skirts slutty but what people are trying to tell you here is, don't be so hasty to judge others. The girl I knew wasn't proud of it and only those closest to her knew, it was a means to get on in life. For her first year she worked part time in an office making shitpence and racked up a large student debt. I don't promote what she did but it didn't make her a foul human being.

You find it uncomfortable that some people have lives that don't conform to your standard and that's the problem. It's an even bigger problem when you like them and you feel all angry and let down but again, that's your problem. It doesn't make them bad people and all you have to do is walk away. Trashing the person to bits does nothing but show us what type of guy you are.  :biggrin:

So enough of the smoke screens and back to the thread - Do you really believe that this woman you exchanged dialogue with over the internet, accurately represents the majority of females and their personalities/traits in the FSU?  (:) 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 18, 2014, 04:59:29 AM
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.

Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.

But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?

I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.

I didn't generalize. I repeated 458 times that there're good fsuw. I don't know about the ones that you mention. After this "virtual prostitute", I'm even more mistrustful. Many girls have double lives, one for their families and another on porn sites, even though they may seem to you completely OK. Why I meet bad women? I don't know, that's what I found, that's available on the dating sites. I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.

And well done for admitting that you're mistrustful and have no idea why you keep meeting 'bad' ones. It might be a dozen or so pages back but here it is again - take a look at yourself first before moving forward.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 06:13:10 AM
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I was 23 and at University enjoying a very relaxed, non committed period in my life. Thank god I wasn't stiff as a board like you otherwise I'd properly have missed out on growing up!

You don't know sНit about my youth. I went through crazy things that you will not have for 5 lives. It's crazy that I'm alive. But I'm tired of adventures. I want stable and reliable people. And I'm not so stiff, actually I compromised my principles to a virtual h00ker. That's not really "conservative" and "rigid".

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You find it uncomfortable that some people have lives that don't conform to your standard and that's the problem. It's an even bigger problem when you like them and you feel all angry and let down but again, that's your problem.

They can do whatever they want, as long as they don't play games with ME. If they play games with me, they will face some not so nice consequences. In your case everything was clear: the girl was a stripper, she didn't pretend to be an angel and there were no unpleasant suprises.

You do admit that she was "adicted to cash" and that she was not a person that you'd introduce to your parents. So you agree with me. Such women are not highly regarded, to put it mildly. Normal people don't do that. She can have different pair of shoes for every second and a house on Jupiter, but she will always be remembered as a _____ (you know what).

I'm not that conservative. If my girl was into some milder and artistic erotica, maybe I'd accept it. Actresses and singers do that. But these webcam sites are vulgar. Old perverts cheering and j*rking off, girls smiling artificialy, pretending they enjoy it, while sticking dildos in their backsides, it's just tasteless. But worst of all is the DOUBLE LIFE that many of them have. That hypocrisy makes me puke. If you decided to be a stripper or a pornstar, fine, do it openly, don't bs people.

And well done for admitting that you're mistrustful and have no idea why you keep meeting 'bad' ones. It might be a dozen or so pages back but here it is again - take a look at yourself first before moving forward.

Yes, I'm mistrustful. It's a good thing that saves you from scams, heartbreaking, troubles. And no, I will not look at myself,  I didn't do anything evil. Actually I was too good. She is the one who needs to be ashamed. And why do I find only bad ones? They are the majority on the datings sites now. Some are prostituting themselves, many have boyfriends or are not seriously searching for anyone. It's a garbage can. We elaborated this already so stop defending them.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 18, 2014, 07:37:59 AM
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
Maybe this is another one of your problems, non-native communication. I understand that English nor Russian is your native language. I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.

I never called that girl a loser. If you could read English well, and you can't, you would have understood the question; which was basically asking you why is it that I meet essentially the same women that you do, and I find them normal, honest, smart, and ready to commit, yet they are "losers" to you.

Danchik,  you called the girl a LOSER first, but afterwards you say she's not bad? Are you changing your opinions so quickly? Like that shizophrenic girl who strips online? Or maybe you are now uncomfortable to criticise women, because Volshe joined the conversation? Don't worry, she seems to be a good person. She will not take it personally. It's not a crime if you have an opinion, you don't have to always be a "white knight". Say it as it is.
If you read my post to Volshe, you'll see that I agree with her, and never admitted the girl was bad. I don't know the girl in question and I don't know you, just your side of the story. I also try not to make these kinds of judgments about people I don't know well; talking to people over the internet without meeting them first doesn't give me much insight to their character or lives.
I can't help but think you are your own worst enemy.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
- In the beginning, she represented herself to me as a person who cares about relationships and takes them seriously. It was a lie. Later she admitted that she actually don't want to commit.

She didn't want to commit to YOU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 12:20:31 PM
Tom, if you see absolutely no problem in what she does, then practise what you preach. Go join a gay webcam site and buy yourself a giant dildo (like from a donkey). I insist that you make a sexy dance there, dressed in a "Borat" style swimsuit. I insist on the following song:


I will toss you 50 kopeeks for a private chat and you will work, work, work... like a soviet proletarian. Like the famous coalminer Alexey Stakhanov from Donbass, who set a record by mining 227 tonnes of coal in a single shift. If you do it well, you may get decorated with "Hero of Socialist Labour" medal.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
^  It must be very humiliating to be rejected by a girl who is so far beneath you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on November 18, 2014, 12:45:02 PM
I have read this whole thread, Looking for the south.

I think this girl was lucky she escaped you, as I said last time you went on a rant about a girl.
You have some major issues and need to sort them out before dating any women, anywhere :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 12:59:43 PM
I was googling for the phenomenon of "white knights" (men who put women on pedestal and let them get away with murder) and what an irony, this demotivator mentioning "camwhores" popped up. On the photo: "How Tom and NS1 imagine themselves".

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Markje on November 18, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
If I knew enough Russian, I might have checked Net_Lenka's website to see what I could find there. I wouldn't be surprised  :drunk:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on November 18, 2014, 01:14:34 PM
I was googling for the phenomenon of "white knights" (men who put women on pedestal and let them get away with murder) and what an irony, this demotivator mentioning "camwhores" popped up. On the photo: "How Tom and NS1 imagine themselves".

I never made any comments about this women or others. In this case, I think the issue is all you,
deflect anyway you want, but it won't change the fact you need help :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 01:19:36 PM
I was googling for the phenomenon of "white knights" (men who put women on pedestal and let them get away with murder) and what an irony, this demotivator mentioning "camwhores" popped up. On the photo: "How Tom and NS1 imagine themselves".

I never made any comments about this women or others. In this case, I think the issue is all you,
deflect anyway you want, but it won't change the fact you need help :)

No, this lost young woman needs help to be cured from her "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" syndrome. Electroshock treatment would do the job.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 01:42:27 PM

I never made any comments about this women or others. In this case, I think the issue is all you,
deflect anyway you want, but it won't change the fact you need help :)

No, this lost young woman needs help to be cured from her "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" syndrome. Electroshock treatment would do the job.



♫♪♪♫♪♪ Give her, give her shock treatment.... ♫♪♪♫♪♪
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
^  Now that you've covered schizophrenic and multiple-personality disorders, perhaps you might address some of the cluster B disorders, such as narcissism and anti-social, then work your way to cluster C.


Buried inside the OP's mountain of trash/trashing is an important point: a man should never demand that a girl gets an STD test, unless he wants to insult her. He should only let her know that he is getting himself tested and allow her to make her own decision without duress.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
^  You've covered schizophrenic and multiple-personality disorders. Perhaps you might address some of the cluster B disorders, such as narcissism and anti-social.


Buried inside the OP's mountain of trash/trashing is an important point: a man should never demand that a girl gets an STD test, unless he wants to insult her. He should only let her know that he is getting himself tested and allow her to make her own decision without duress.

In what century do you live? How old are you? You still believe that "only prostitutes, junkies and gays" can get hiv? You are a total Austin Powers. And I didn't dictate her anything. I just suggested that. And there's something also very important besides knowing her hiv status: I wanted to know how much she cares about other people and how responsible she is with her health. Her reaction was, of course, totally immature, same as yours. You are a childish and not serious person. And note that this girl was no angel, but a virtual prostitute. Vulgarities are a normal part of her everyday sex-related job, so why to pretend that she is an innocent child?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Please carry on with your raving. There are those who wish to scrutinise you more closely.


Edited.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 02:12:57 PM
It's a pity that you don't want to discuss narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders because they are my favorites.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
It's a pity that you don't want to discuss narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders because they are my favorites.
You have a point. I edited my previous post.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 02:27:44 PM
Isn't it time you quit your mindless raving and STFU?  :Zzzzsleep:

I'm warning people of the harsh realities behind the "Iron Curtain of the more family oriented FSUW". Behind that innocent façade, there's a total chaos and decadence. This info can save someones heart, wallet, health, even life. And open your eyes, there are 8 members and 30 guests currently reading this topic. The fact that you don't like my writings does not mean that some of these guests will not find them useful. It may make them think. And I'm sure they don't find them mindless at all.

It's a pity that you don't want to discuss narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders because they are my favorites.

You are not a mature and serious person, same as many other guys on this forum. Everyone saw that.  It's too late to hide it. Next time people will think twice before taking your advices into consideration. It may lead them to a total disaster. Your overidealizing of FSUW may misguide other men into risk of being hurt, deceived, scammed or even infected.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2014, 02:28:38 PM
you are an immature and irresponsible person.

Manny, you are a mature person and let's not argue over this, cause I'm right.

Your inconsistency is one of the things shining through here. Both of those in the same post is pretty good going.  :chuckle:

You like porn, but don't like it when a woman you only know over the internet does light cam porn. Somewhat of a double standard, no?

There are some universal limits of what is considered normal and acceptable and you will never change that.

That varies from place to place; its far from universal. Many folk in the states are what many europeans regard as puritanical. In Holland and Germany a guy can roll down to the windows and choose himself a hooker for a spell - no social stigma to speak of. That would be unthinkable in many parts of the US. In the UK they may arrest you for smoking cannabis, in Holland and some American states they probably won't. Values of what generally is and isn't acceptable differ across cultures and countries.

Now here is the rub, in the FSU, and I wouldn't be surprised if in the Yugosphere too, women are not shy about using what they have to get ahead. That is the price you pay for the lack of feminism so many men abhor. That manifests itself in different ways with different people. It might be something as simple as wearing a shorter skirt in the office to get a pay raise, dating dumb visiting foreigners for gifts and trinkets, chatting to blokes hoping to "date" you on some agency cam or even working some sex cam as this woman does. Hookers and escorts are further up the scale, but there is a common thread. No it doesn't mean they are all scarlet women as you assert, it simply means different women have different boundaries as to what they feel is acceptable in their personal circumstances. In societies that are quite tough, people learn to use what they have to get on. For some women that means using their sexuality. There are many ways a woman can do that, but in all cases, if it is her choice and she is not forced or coerced by anyone, it is her prerogative to do what she wants. It isn't the call of some guy she only knows from the net who never even got his arse on a $100 plane from a neighbouring country.

Get on a plane, show up, show you are serious, build a relationship, offer her an alternative scenario and things may be different. But to sit on the end of a net connection spouting your moral values means you going nowhere fast. As we have seen. Your moral values over the interwebs don't pay her electricity bill or buy her shoes. And since you don't do that either, you are simply not in a position to dictate.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Isn't it time you quit your mindless raving and STFU?  :Zzzzsleep:

I'm warning people of the harsh realities behind the "Iron Curtain of the more family oriented FSUW". Behind that innocent façade, there's a total chaos and decadence. This info can save someones heart, wallet, health, even life. And open your eyes, there are 8 members and 30 guests currently reading this topic. The fact that you don't like my writings does not mean that some of these guests will not find them useful. It may make them think. And I'm sure they don't find them mindless at all.


I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.

In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
... Your overspecializing of FSUW may misguide other men into risk of being hurt, deceived, scammed or even infected.

I certainly hope so, especially the bit about infection.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 18, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
LFTS, you really have devolved , at least from what I can see on this thread.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.

In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
Ehem, LFTS, besides that many of our members here are already happily married to FSUW... I've just noticed the flag under your avvy, that's Macedonia, yes? If yes, why on earth would you travel anywhere to look for a girl, your own women are Eastern Europeans and drop-dead gorgeous too... And, please, don't give a bad name to your fellow countrymen who in ex-Yu were credited to be the best husbands  ;D
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on November 18, 2014, 03:54:45 PM
 Wow, that's a lot of ranting about a random girl you only know from the internet.

You *cough* met a girl that wasn't who you thought she was or hoped for.She may have originally deceived you,but was mostly honest with you , far beyond what I'd think prudent with someone she had never met.
 
Your reaction seems over the top at best, a more normal (since you like that word) reaction would be
be nothing more than a twinge of disappointment in that she wasn't a good match for you to pursue.

 There are web cams girls in most every country with those resources.I think the highest number is the USA actually? At any rate, the FSU certainly doesn't have the monopoly on the trade, so adjusting your search by country likely isn't going to help avoid them.

Mostly,, from the outside looking in..
it seems you were willing to still communicate with her, when you knew it truly wasn't a good match..for you.
And seem more than normally .put off that after your *big* compromise, she still dint act how you wanted or further the relationship.

I would imagine most anyone here will tell you they had tons of virtual encounters that did not pan out,,its typical of anywhere, any country.

  Since your opinion is that most sincere FSU women are mostly taken.. and your local women much the same..
as reasonably could be argued in most countries
(men or women looking for stability/marriage generally *are* married or in stable relationships- go figure)

Where are you to search?(or not)
What options do you foresee?

What seems the best path, for what you hope for?

Plod along and hope someone pops up?
Actively search?
Give up entirely?
Decide what you want is so unlikely as to not be worth effort in pursuing it?

I think most understand that dating websites everywhere (match. was fined for it?) use false, or unrealistic  advertising practices to earn income.
So do most auto manufactures, etc etc etc

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on November 18, 2014, 03:55:40 PM
here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue,  you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.
Nope he is a hero, he is going to save the poor girl, they continue along, he is so kind, from one he has not met,
that he should have his own free show, in other words now to cheap to pay :chuckle:
Then he is still interested, but maybe just a holiday, + easy free sex, oh but I better make sure I get her tested first,
very concerned for her well being and all (:) then after she finally has had enough, she is the bitch, whore, tramp that he so loathes
This is our hero :thumbsup:

Now this girl may have issues, but thats not the point, other girls likely do also, we have all met a few.
But you are not even close to normal, with more issues than even Tom can cover in one post.
the type of help you need will take years, and be expensive, in reality your a sad piece of shit :nod:

Lucky for you some Mod will edit this, because I am not aloud to insult you, even though  you insulted this poor girl to every level
then have the nerve to come here and try to insult us, with you  :censored: BS.
Get a grip, a life and please for every women who walks the earth, get help.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Slumba, I'm surrounded by big children, what do you expect? They disregard all the crucial values and principles that a responsible and mature person should hold. I wrote walls of text, tried to give good arguments etc., no one cares. Fine, I needed some relaxation and humour. If they are not serious, I will not be serious. Gimme a break.

Volshe, we'll talk more later, you see I'm like boxing alone against 10 people now. We are Balkanians you know ;) And yes, we are best husbands. This forum is like kafana (pub) where we make drunk arguments. Bottles, glasses and plates fly around while a gypsy brass orchestra plays. Check some old threads and you'll see. In real life I'm much more serious and behaved. Don't get upset plz.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue,  you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.

I explained this like 458 times, feel free to re-read everything
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on November 18, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue,  you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.

I explained this like 458 times, feel free to re-read everything
I have read it, my boots don't go high enough to wade through the shit you are spewing,
please give your head a shake, and WTFU.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 04:02:18 PM
here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue,  you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.

I explained this like 458 times, feel free to re-read everything
I have read it, my boots don't go high enough to wade through the shit you are spewing,
please give your head a shake, and WTFU.

Re-read it again 100 times, learn it by heart and write it on a wall with a paint in latin like in Monthy Python's "Life of Brian".
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 04:03:16 PM
Manny, I'm impressed by your "counterargument". That inconsistency (mea culpa) is the least important in the wall of text that I wrote you. You want to defocus from the main topic, cause you have no counterarguments at all.

Your advices are disastrous, immature and irresponsible. You rush people to get on a plane to visit a person that has serious issues and a double life. At the beggining she pretended to be an angel, but later she admited that she's a virt prostitute.

She disrespects her family, her health and partners and the promises she makes. I threw my principles in a trash can, I accepted her conditions and a "no strings attached" meeting, but even that was not good enough for her.  What a wonderful person! If she's so good, then get divorced, buy a ticket and go to her Muhosransk. I'm sure you will have a bright future.

Thanks god I have never accepted your "ingenious advice". If I meet her, she may have shizophrenic changes and become hostile for no reason. She may hurt me and even infect me as she disregards health. You don't book tickets until you learn everything about the woman. Especially when you hear some nasty facts and you notice inconsistencies in her behaviour.

Yes, some countries are more and some less liberal. Netherlands and Afghanistan are not the same. And yes, there're women who do things for money everywhere. What a wisdom you wrote. However, there ARE some universal values. If you stick dildos up your jacksie in front of a camera, most people would NOT have a very good opinion about you. Normal people don't do that. Don't make fool of us. If it's normal, DO IT yourself.

Prostitute is not a good word. You don't introduce such a woman to your family. Exceptions happen, but they are not called exceptions for nothing. And I don't want such a woman. If you want, marry one. Or allow your children to do such things if you are SO liberal.

The point of this FSU DATING was to find family oriented women. All these WM don't fly to the FSU to marry strippers or prostitues!!! These men are discusted by the decadence of the WW and hope to find uncorrupted FSUW. However, women are becoming the same everywhere. The FSU dating loses it's meaning.

Yes, I like porn and naked women, I'm not gay. But these are porn actresses, they don't claim to be angels. What they do is not decent, of course, I wouldn't like my daughter to do that, but at least it's honest and there are no unpleasant suprises.

And stop suggesting getting on a plane, as if I have never been to the FSU. I made my feet wet like 10 yrs ago. I don't want to go there again. Many FSUW are simply not serious and they don't deserve / appreciate the trouble. If someone wants to meet me: She can pack her bags. This girl liked the idea.

FSUW travel more and more. They have pics in their VK from Paris, Rome, not to mention the standard destinations: Turkey, Egypt, UAE. Some go as far as Goa, Seychelles and Thailand. If they want to be SO feminist and independent, fine, they should come to me, I will not go to them. Enough of old school chivalry.

Yes, I'm not buying her shoes or paying her bills. One of the crucial rules of FSU dating is NEVER SEND ANYONE ANY MONEY. How could you forget this? How could I send money or expensive gifts to a person that I have never met? And how could you equate buying someone gifts with care about health? Your value system is totally perverted. Health comes first, I will buy presents later, I'm not greedy.

And I repeat, she is NOT STARVING, she doesn't have to do this job and she promised to quit. As far as I could see from pics and skype, her home looks decent, she is well traveled, plays classical music which requires an expensive instrument etc. Her parents are providing for her everything they can and she's spitting in their face. Stop finding excuses for her sick behaviour.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on November 18, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.

Count active posting members, (many already married)
what result would either of you expect?

If Omega had asked the question of those actively taking trips and searching in that same time period i would say the odds not so poor?
perhaps include those statistics for people actively  seeking marriage domestically in a 3 year window?

I do'nt care about the odds.For a lot of reasons.
1.It was fruitful for me.
2.I knew the odds  prior,  if it hadn't worked out, i would NOT have considered it the waste that you do.
It would have just been a excursion in my life's journey.
 I do know plenty of sincere RW in general, so would think it possible for others,but agree its long odds.
The odds increase exponentially if a man has the time, resources, and most of all a realistic outlook.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 04:10:27 PM
Slumba, I'm surrounded by big children, what do you expect? They disregard all the crucial values and principles that a responsible and mature person should hold. I wrote walls of text, tried to give good arguments etc., no one cares. Fine, I needed some relaxation and humour. If they are not serious, I will not be serious. Gimme a break.

Volshe, we'll talk more later, you see I'm like boxing alone against 10 people now. We are Balkanians you know ;) And yes, we are best husbands. This forum is like kafana (pub) where we make drunk arguments. Bottles, glasses and plates fly around while a gypsy brass orchestra plays. Check some old threads and you'll see. In real life I'm much more serious and behaved. Don't get upset plz.

T'ga za jug (longingforthesouth), in every decent kafana (Balkan pub so to say), there is a semi-naked smoking hot singer who shakes what her mama gave her, while the guys are making drunk arguments... Then the guy who 'won the argument' (beated the cr*p out of everyone else that is) takes home the singer and makes her a decent woman, that's how Balkan stories usually end... We are not  really prudes in Balkans, c'mmon  ;D (And - fast forward to 21st century - a girl on cam is very similar to a  kafana singer, true, many Balkan mother at first wouldn't be too happy with such choice of a daughter-in-law , but eventually they get over it, especially when the grandchildren come  tiphat)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 04:28:10 PM
T'ga za jug (longingforthesouth), in every decent kafana (Balkan pub so to say), there is a semi-naked smoking hot singer who shakes what her mama gave her, while the guys are making drunk arguments... Then the guy who 'won the argument' (beated the cr*p out of everyone else that is) takes home the singer and makes her a decent woman, that's how Balkan stories usually end...

I like your style!  :)

We are not  really prudes in Balkans, c'mmon  ;D (And - fast forward to 21st century - a girl on cam is very similar to a  kafana singer, true, many Balkan mother at first wouldn't be too happy with such choice of a daughter-in-law , but eventually they get over it, especially when the grandchildren come  tiphat)

Very true, we are not prudes! That's why I'm not looking for a woman locally. I have some local girls only for sexy time (everyone has one or more in his mobile phone), cause they are shallow and want to be independent. But what I really want is a stable, responsible and loving girl, whom I can rely on. I'm a human and I need to be loved just like everyobody else does (as Morrissey from The Smiths says).

Also I got hooked on FSU culture. I learned russian by myself. FSUW were advertised as more traditional and there was some truth in that, but there are many terrible ones like this girl. Most of it was a myth, a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT as you pointed out very well!

This girl is not some rare exception, not a black sheep. There are many many like her. They are not some marginals, but they seem to be completely normal women. Behind that mask, they lie, cheat, play games etc. Even if I swallow my pride about her job (which I should not) , what would I do with her shizophrenia and other issues that she has? Forget it! Many FSUW are just awful persons (not all of them, but still, a significant number of them).

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on November 18, 2014, 04:30:05 PM
Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?

I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be a very interesting individual otherwise?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 04:44:56 PM
Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?

I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be very interesting individual otherwise?

As a result of that "independence" now there're women who are shallow, who don't want to cook or to take care of kids etc. and there're milions of divorces and disilusioned WM, who are forced to look for a wife abroad. I'm not a conservative, I just prefer more reliable and stable woman. That's my right. If a woman is looking for a serious relationship, she must be ready to sacrifice part of her independence and make compromises (the man also). Love is about both taking AND giving. Many FSUW don't understand this, they say like "I will do whatever I bloody want, you can compromise your principles and accept it or you can leave it". Well, excuse me, the woman also needs to cooperate. You can't be commited and independent at the same time. You can't have sex and remain a virgin at the same time. Is your wife independent? Are you married or not married? You get my point.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.

It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.

I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.

A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 18, 2014, 05:00:16 PM
Also I got hooked on FSU culture.

Me too, i think many here did  ;D

I learned russian by myself.

 :thumbsup:

Listen, there is stuff about Balkan mentality that's difficult to explain, due to various cultural influences to which the semi-island was exposed through history... Knowing our men and the way they are wired, i think a Balkan guy is a way better match with FSUW from Central Asia, then from Russia or Ukraine, that mentality (Asian) and culture imho is way closer to Balkan, despite Russians and Ukrainians sharing the same religion with majority of ex-Yu, despite the same Slavic roots and despite our languages being Slavic too.
It is all in the comparison, indeed: (generalization, but you'll get what i mean) if compared to the West, Russian culture and way of living is traditional, if compared to ours - it's liberal... Russian women, being as great mothers and housewives as they are,  are independent in a way which doesn't sit well with men from patriarchal society, whereas  men from these parts are used to submissive women... and Russians are not that. I believe no woman is (submissive) for real, but those of us who grew up in similar societies learn to adapt to such circumstances. (Btw, myself, i don't date Balkan guys for those reasons exactly  ;D)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2014, 05:01:55 PM
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.



In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.

The thrust of my point wasn't about 'how many' people are married to FSUW but that you aren't married and aren't likely to be anytime soon.
LFTS, were you rejected by those near and dear to you as a child? You appear to have some serious cognitive dissonance which is likely derived from some deep trauma suffered in your formative years along with some sexual repression issues as you can't seem to be able to accept the independence of women and their freedom to express their sexuality as they see fit. Some latent homosexuality too, expressed by your frequent references to gays and sextoys.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
^  I have no opinion about the latency issue but his verbose posts suggest disingenuity.

Given that no one has validated his views, there aren't any "mature and serious" people here at all.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.

It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.

I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.

A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.

I understand, I'm honestly really sorry for her situation. I ALREADY said that I could understand such a job if someone is really starving or if it is a "life or death" (in this case debt) situation. I'm not SO rigid. But if there's no real reason for that, why? Why to do that just because of some youth stupidity? Young people do stupid things for absolutely no reasons! The girl that I communicated with was not starving. She obviously picked some feminist stuff about being "independent". She spends her salary on things that are not crucial for surviving. She bragged that she bough some nice jeans, sweater and some dvd's or books (not for education purposes). Is it worth it to sell your intimacy and dignity for this nonsense? Definetly not.

Plus she has mental issues, which may also  contribute to her behaviour. Maybe she has a "kink" for that as Volshe says. Maybe she likes the attention. Now, you may assume that she has some problems which she doesn't want to talk about (e.g. debts). Well, after learning about her job, I felt comfortable to talk about anything and I asked her: Is there something else important that you would like to reveal now? It's better to say it now, than if I learn about it later. She said NO. I asked once again, she said loud and clearly: NO. If she had problems, I'd help her (of course, if we would build a ser relationship and mutual trust). She has no extreme problems, this is just some pseudo-feminist bs. Old perverts give her all kinds of nasty orders and she fullfills them as if she's a dog or something. Nice "independence", yeah.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 05:39:25 PM
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.



In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.

The thrust of my point wasn't about 'how many' people are married to FSUW but that you aren't married and aren't likely to be anytime soon.
LFTS, were you rejected by those near and dear to you as a child? You appear to have some serious cognitive dissonance which is likely derived from some deep trauma suffered in your formative years along with some sexual repression issues as you can't seem to be able to accept the independence of women and their freedom to express their sexuality as they see fit. Some latent homosexuality too, expressed by your frequent references to gays and sextoys.

No, I had a great family. I have no problem with female sexuality. I just dont want a shizophrenic who shows her a$$hole on camera. If you want one, marry her or adopt her to be your daugher. She'll make you a proud daddy. Or you can do a dildo show yourself. Think a little bit before you offend people. The problem is that I learned about her secret too late, when i was already hooked. So I got myself in a very stupid situation.  Not everything is always black and white, we are not robots. People sometimes have dillemas, they compromise principles. It was terrible, you found someone nice and there's someone else inside. All I wanted was a stable and reliable person. But forget it, I don't want anything now.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 18, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.

I never called that girl a loser.


 He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.

 Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you.  :loving:

 Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

 By the way since you mentioned Manny, Rosco and myself earlier as not knowing what we're talking about, well I have to say we do know what we're talking about. Manny has been to Russia, Rosco has been to Ukraine and Belarus, and I have been to Ukraine, Russia and Uzbekistan. We three have our RW's with us in our beds every night, and have for years.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Lon on November 18, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
LftS
  You complained at start about how all the FSUW are unserious and party girls, and I questioned where and how you are searching for an FSUW.  Now, you find a 'internet porn' girl and are complaining about her lack of morals.  So...how did you find her, how is it that your search came up with her?  You keep finding all the 'flawed' FSUW.  What are your priorities when going down the list of available FSUW on the internet?  Maybe it is your search parameters that are flawed, that keep you from finding your 'homemaker'.
  What happened with your talk with the mirror   :dh:
  Besides, what happened to your "I am ending the search for an FSUW"?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 06:40:02 PM
LftS
  You complained at start about how all the FSUW are unserious and party girls, and I questioned where and how you are searching for an FSUW.  Now, you find a 'internet porn' girl and are complaining about her lack of morals.  So...how did you find her, how is it that your search came up with her?  You keep finding all the 'flawed' FSUW.  What are your priorities when going down the list of available FSUW on the internet?  Maybe it is your search parameters that are flawed, that keep you from finding your 'homemaker'.
  What happened with your talk with the mirror   :dh:
  Besides, what happened to your "I am ending the search for an FSUW"?

Lon everything is explained 538 times, feel free to review everything, why you force me to repeat myself? And

STOP BLAMING ME FOR EVERYTHING!

I never intentionally looked for a "porn girl"! Stop distorting my story! If you havent' read my text, please read it first and then comment.

This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

Face the reality Lon, milions of young FSUW are two-faced c*nts and that's a painfull fact that you will have to swallow. They are hypocritical, corrupted, irresponsiible and selfish to the core. Stop with this ridicilous "white knighthood". No one of those prostitutes will ever say "thank you" for that. And sure, there are some good fsuw, I never denied it. And stop psychoanalyzing me, I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 18, 2014, 06:56:38 PM

Face the reality Lon, milions of young FSUW are two-faced c*nts and that's a painfull fact that you will have to swallow. They are hypocritical, corrupted, irresponsiible and selfish to the core. Stop with this ridicilous "white knighthood". No one of those prostitutes will ever say "thank you" for that. And sure, there are some good fsuw, I never denied it. And stop psychoanalyzing me, I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!

Consider 2 young men:

Mr. White:  Bumps into whores, sluts and 2-faced tuncs all the time when looking in the FSU.  Doesn't seem able to find a "good one" out of approximately 200 million people between Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc.

Mr. Pink:  Bumps into some of these types of girls, but, is able to avoid getting into relationships with them - and/or if there is deception about something serious to them, they break it off with the girl and go find another.  Finds a "good one", or more than 1 "good one", and marries her.

Assuming that Mr. Pink and Mr. White are looking in the same population of people, isn't it only logical to think that either Mr. White is looking in a wrong way?

For all your self-righteousness, LFTS, all that is occurring is that you are showing your inability to accomplish something that others on the forum, have accomplished.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 07:22:06 PM
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.

I never called that girl a loser.


 He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.

DONHOLLIO, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH READING AND YOU TOTALLY LOST A PLOT:

The sentence "I never called that girl a loser" was written by Danchik! Those are not my words! You rush to comment before checking everything properly. HERES A LINK TO HIS POST WHERE HE SAID THAT (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386875#msg386875).

Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you.  :loving:

 Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

I don't need an a interpretor as I speak russian almost fluently, I'm not in a contact with her anymore and I don't plan to go there.

Btw tests should be made in advance before any meeting in real because: What if one of the partners shows positive? Imagine what drama that would be! Better to do such things before meeting in real, before any real-life sympathies develop. Your advices are TOTALY DISASTROUS! A RECIPE FOR HELL! Please tell me that you were joking so I can come down.

I have to say we do know what we're talking about.

You confuse things, you don't read the whole stories and that's why you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Go back and read all the stories from the beginning.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Lon on November 18, 2014, 07:34:02 PM
blaming you for everything???  hmmm....interesting.
I haven't even disagreed with your assesment of this last FSUW.

speaking of facing reality.  many on here has disputed your claim of (see FSUW rant below), my self included.  these are experienced FSUW hunters, that have extensively traveled and dated these (see FSUW rant below).  many of them are married to (see FSUW rant below), myself included.
So...how is that we have found our FSUW and you have not?

I will ask again...how are you choosing all these (see FSUW rant below)?
I do not even have to look very hard to find (see FSUW rant below), they are in my inbox nearly everyday, but I do not contact them.
why are you, the FSUW hunter, having so much problem finding the needle in the haystack?

LftS, what are your parameters that makes you choose these (see FSUW rant below)!?


STOP BLAMING ME FOR EVERYTHING!

I never intentionally looked for a "porn girl"! Stop distorting my story! If you havent' read my text, please read it first and then comment.

This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

Face the reality Lon, milions of young FSUW are two-faced c*nts and that's a painfull fact that you will have to swallow. They are hypocritical, corrupted, irresponsiible and selfish to the core. Stop with this ridicilous "white knighthood". No one of those prostitutes will ever say "thank you" for that. And sure, there are some good fsuw, I never denied it. And stop psychoanalyzing me, I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

"Pathological" is a good word, especially under the circumstances, but "advices" is not.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
Lon, it is sort of blaming. Slumba wrote something similar to that, too. As in: "there must be something wrong with you that you find such women". As if I intentionally look for them! That's what I found, what can I do? That was available. She looked decent, I wrote, she answered. Others didnt answer or they answer but the communication is bad, because they dont really take it seriously (they don't give a f.) or they cut the communication in the middle for no reason. Or you find out on VK that they actually have boyfriends which is often the case! They are cheating as hell!

Nothing in the appearance of this girl showed that she has such a dirty secret! Nothing! Believe me! Aka-Luke asked for photos, but .... I don't know man if I would post them. It's my private life. You see, she had no silicon boobs, no extremely short skirts and so on. She looked quite modest (which does not mean she was not cute, she had some sexyness, but more 'arty' one).

Cmon man this is pointless. I'm repeating myself like 548 times. It's total madness. I'm tired!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 08:02:55 PM
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

"Pathological" is a good word, especially under the circumstances, but "advices" is not.

You are like 10-15-20 people here investing so much energy for several days in defending some shizophrenic wh0re whom you know nothing about. In her defence, you are ready to condone prostitution, lies, playing games with people, disregard for human values and health etc. Now thats really a pathology. Scary... How can people trust you after all this, I don't know.....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 08:07:10 PM
... I asked her about her job. She said: "Well... I'm answering calls...". I wrote jokingly: "Is that some hotline? You know, a number for phone sex?". I expected her to laugh with me, but her reply was: "Errrm... well, what would you think if a girl has such a job?". I said that I don't know (I've never been in a such situation). It was a moment of heavy silence.... I couldn't take it anymore, I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgemental.

I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell? I can't have a serious relationship with such a girl, but we can communicate, maybe meet, have a romance, a holiday. If these women are not serious, why should I be? Why I'm always so naively looking for some "pure love" while these women are just sl*ts, shallow, cheaters, everyone's sleeping with everyone, it's all one latinoamerican soap opera. I was very busy in the recent period, I needed a relaxation in a female company. I don't mean just sex. I mean to spend a holiday with someone, to see things, at least to have a fake "relationship". You know, holidays are coming and singles can be emotionaly vulnerable. Also, I must mention that she never asked for any money! She even loudly stressed that she has no material interest in me!

I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me :) She said would like that? Yes. And she did a session for me on skype. It was not too extreme, it was OK. And it was honest, cause I wasn't her customer, but a man that she likes. Afterwards we talked (as if we are lovers talking in bed after sex). It was romantic. She was telling me about all her life, childhood, family. She showed me pics from her childhood. She looked like an innocent angel together with her younger brother. I mean, this girl is stripping for all kinds of maniacs, but then she shows you family stuff. It was weird. But then, even strippers and prostitutes have souls, don't they?

I was confused. Your big head says "No, she's just a sl*t", your small head says "But you enjoyed that striptease didn't you?" and the heart says "Well, she has flaws, but you also did stupid things when you were young! She is an interesting person, maybe she will change?". No, she will never change. A wh0re is a wh0re. She was absent from the webcam site for a certain period. I though that maybe she finally quit, but then she re-appeared. Not only that she didn't quit, but she made new, even more provocative pics. She doesn't give a f. about her own mother, who now suffers and cries because she gave a birth to a wh0re and she asks herself: "What did I do wrong with her upbringing? Where is my daughter all night long?". If I was this mother, I would disown her, however, do you know the russian proverb: Яблоко от яблони недалеко падает (An apple falls under an apple tree). Maybe her mother was no better when she was young. The father, as the girl told me, is often absent for work and has no clue what his daughter is doing. Or maybe he doesn't exist at all. We know that many ru families consist of single mums and children.

This sl*t was shocked that I evaluated her as: not serious, unstable and a liar. I replied: "Well, that's what you are. But I don't hate you. I accept you the way you are with all your тараканы в голове (bugs in your head). Let's just have fun with no strings attached as YOU wanted. You won, no reason for you to be angry". Here she went mad and said that it's time to stop our communication before any serious argument occurs. She just asked me "not to remember her in a bad way", but to "remember just the good times". This is a typical FSUW hypocrisy: "I will behave as a sl*t, I will lie, play games with people and so on, BUT please don't hold a grudge on me" (Не держи на меня зла).

I replied: "What good times to remember? Did I feel good when I watched you dancing for other men? Or when you lied to me about love, relationships and so on? But anyway. You are what you are, I can't change you. Let's just meet, who cares about feelings, there's no love in this world, just egoism and interests". At this point she blocked me. My, my, this piece of sh*t got offended. Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.

On the other hand, a huge % of young FSUW is westernized, they are vulgar materialists (not only the fancy divas, but even arty / intellectual women, whom you expect to be "deeper"). They are bitchy, arrogant, selfish, with no compassion, shame or self-criticism. They disrespect their love ones, they disregard love, family, fidelity, health. They sleep around, do drugs or are lesbians. They are an antipode of the "russian bride ideal", that is advertised by the dating industry. Also, many have mental issues like  pathological hatred for men, they are confused between commitment & independence etc.

It's good that she showed her true colors on time. Even strippers and h00kers can have qualities. Some can be good mums, sisters or students. But what's the use of that, if you can't build anything serious with such a person? I'm not a conservative, but let's call things by their true names: she was, she is and forever she will be just a wh0re.

And how to avoid wh0res? Some imagine them as stereotypical silicon pornstars, but that's not always so obvious. Things are more complicated in the FSU. There, a modest-looking girl can have a SECRET LIFE. This girl doesn't walk on high heels in mini skirts and she doesn't have huge boobs (actually this one had small ones). She dresses in jeans and sweaters and doesn't go to trendy clubs. She's a good student, likes arts, pets and has a fat female friend from her class. When not working, she goes to bed at 10PM. Still, behind that mask, she is a wh0re. Trust no one. First shoot, then ask. Or better give up the idea of finding a FSUW. In most cases they're not worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Tom, stop making a fool of yourself, people are laughing at you. And stop behaving as a greater feminist than the feminists. Or consider a sex change.

I wasn't judgemental to her during our communication. I wasn't calling her names (wh0re, sl*t) or something. I just warned her of the consuequences of her deeds. I honestly told her that most people would look down on what she does, but I had no other choice than to accept her as she is. On the other hand, she made no compromises on her part, which shows how selfish she was. Love is about taking AND giving. She never fullfilled any of her promises.

I became judgemental and angry AFTER she blocked me, which is pretty normal reaction. That's why the text is angry. I understood that she didn't appreciated the compromises that I made. I swallowed my pride, I accepted unpleasant things and even that was not enough for her. I really tried to be good with her (as much as I could).

Now gimme a break.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/452/278/0cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 18, 2014, 08:28:51 PM
^  If onanists are laughing at me, then that is a cross that I will gladly bear.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on November 18, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

 I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!

Stop being such a drama queen.  I am sure the portion in bold above should elicit the best responses possible from members readers who had any questions concerning your attitude/mindset. 

What's next, my dad is bigger than your dad. Perhaps you will threaten to beat everyone into submission.  Pure infant posting at it's finest.

You have been posting your drivel for quite some time.  You have been exposed for what you are, an idiot at best.

LFTS for a man who claims to have good intentions and who has traveled as extensively as you claim there is an obvious disconnect.  Guys who have any experience jump on a plane in short order to meet a girl in person. You on the other hand have it upside down.  You demand that the girl travels to you, no commitment, just empty BS.

You phrase your arguments like you are a victim.  Poor LFTS!  You have made it quite clear that the girl must make all the effort, that she will pay to come see you.  You made it clear that you were only cruising the dating sites as entertainment. You made it clear that you had all kinds of local girlfriends, no problems in this area. 

Now after posting all this shyte you have the audacity to claim your innocence. When did you start lying to us?

No worries, it is a rhetorical question.  It is clear you have been lying all along, if not to us, then absolutely to yourself.

You don't get it both ways.   
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?

 I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!

Stop being such a drama queen.  I am sure the portion in bold above should elicit the best responses possible from members readers who had any questions concerning your attitude/mindset. 

What's next, my dad is bigger than your dad. Perhaps you will threaten to beat everyone into submission.  Pure infant posting at it's finest.

You have been posting your drivel for quite some time.  You have been exposed for what you are, an idiot at best.

LFTS for a man who claims to have good intentions and who has traveled as extensively as you claim there is an obvious disconnect.  Guys who have any experience jump on a plane in short order to meet a girl in person. You on the other hand have it upside down.  You demand that the girl travels to you, no commitment, just empty BS.

You phrase your arguments like you are a victim.  Poor LFTS!  You have made it quite clear that the girl must make all the effort, that she will pay to come see you.  You made it clear that you were only cruising the dating sites as entertainment. You made it clear that you had all kinds of local girlfriends, no problems in this area. 

Now after posting all this shyte you have the audacity to claim your innocence. When did you start lying to us?

No worries, it is a rhetorical question.  It is clear you have been lying all along, if not to us, then absolutely to yourself.

You don't get it both ways.

Stop crying like babushka! I have filled several pages with posts explaining everything, I have repeated myself like thousands of times answering the same questions over & over. Go and read!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on November 18, 2014, 08:44:00 PM


I became judgemental and angry AFTER she blocked me, which is pretty normal reaction. That's why the text is angry. I understood that she didn't appreciated the compromises that I made. I swallowed my pride, I accepted unpleasant things and even that was not enough for her. I really tried to be good with her (as much as I could).

Now gimme a break.

You blubbering buffoon.  You didn't do shit other than feel entitled to make demands.  When it was clear you were not going to do anything other than make demands she dumped your sorry ass.

No need for another ten pages of shyte.  You have been exposed on this site, just as this girl exposed and dumped you.  You are just pissed because your control freak mind can't deal with it.  Too bad for you!
 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on November 18, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
When he is old enough he can get a passport,  until then he's just a kid growing up. Think how tetchy you guys were in your mid teens,  how you wanted to be a man but lacked the tools. It's harder for kids these days because they can pretend more easily than a few years ago.

Give him a decade or two and he'll turn into an average bloke like Justin or Jayh.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on November 18, 2014, 08:49:44 PM
Stop crying like babushka! I have filled several pages with posts explaining everything, I have repeated myself like thousands of times answering the same questions over & over. Go and read!

No worries mate you can find another girl, just pay to view next time!  The RELATIONSHIP will last much longer.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on November 18, 2014, 08:51:19 PM
When he is old enough he can get a passport,  until then he's just a kid growing up. Think how tetchy you guys were in your mid teens,  how you wanted to be a man but lacked the tools. It's harder for kids these days because they can pretend more easily than a few years ago.

Give him a decade or two and he'll turn into an average bloke like Justin or Jayh.
Amen.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 18, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
So much energy spent in defending this cheap sl*t, that you don't even know as if she's Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta or a saintess or something. You guys totally lost the plot. It's futile.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: welder on November 18, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
So much energy spent in defending this cheap sl*t, that you don't even know as if she's Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta or a saintess or something. You guys totally lost the plot. It's futile.

Longing For Anyone, you do notice the last two pages are not about the girl right?   :-X  Do keep up! :ROFL:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 18, 2014, 10:56:49 PM
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.

I never called that girl a loser.


 He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.

DONHOLLIO, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH READING AND YOU TOTALLY LOST A PLOT:

The sentence "I never called that girl a loser" was written by Danchik! Those are not my words! You rush to comment before checking everything properly. HERES A LINK TO HIS POST WHERE HE SAID THAT (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386875#msg386875).


 Yes I know Dan said the word loser, how are you getting that mixed up thinking you said that? I posted what you called her. BTW, Dan wasn't inferring she was a loser, he was summerising what you have been calling her.


Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you.  :loving:

 Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

Quote from: author Looneyfromthesouth
You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

 No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.


Quote from: author Looneyfromthesouth
I don't need an a interpretor as I speak russian almost fluently, I'm not in a contact with her anymore and I don't plan to go there.

I would be interested in seeing some Russian posts from you in the Russian language section of this forum.


Quote from: author Looneyfromthesouth
Btw tests should be made in advance before any meeting in real because: What if one of the partners shows positive? Imagine what drama that would be! Better to do such things before meeting in real, before any real-life sympathies develop. Your advices are TOTALY DISASTROUS! A RECIPE FOR HELL! Please tell me that you were joking so I can come down.

 More like crawl out from under that rock.  And I do agree with you about the dramas, you've displayed more than most men do in a lifetime on some girl they've NEVER met.  :chuckle:



Quote from: author Looneyfromthesouth
You confuse things, you don't read the whole stories and that's why you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Go back and read all the stories from the beginning.

 I couldn't be bothered, in fact I'm surprised I've given your sad tale of personal woe and angry bitterness towards all FSU females, as much time as I have.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: rosco on November 19, 2014, 01:53:06 AM
longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.

It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.

I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.

A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.

I understand, I'm honestly really sorry for her situation. I ALREADY said that I could understand such a job if someone is really starving or if it is a "life or death" (in this case debt) situation. I'm not SO rigid. But if there's no real reason for that, why? Why to do that just because of some youth stupidity? Young people do stupid things for absolutely no reasons! The girl that I communicated with was not starving. She obviously picked some feminist stuff about being "independent". She spends her salary on things that are not crucial for surviving. She bragged that she bough some nice jeans, sweater and some dvd's or books (not for education purposes). Is it worth it to sell your intimacy and dignity for this nonsense? Definetly not.

Plus she has mental issues, which may also  contribute to her behaviour. Maybe she has a "kink" for that as Volshe says. Maybe she likes the attention. Now, you may assume that she has some problems which she doesn't want to talk about (e.g. debts). Well, after learning about her job, I felt comfortable to talk about anything and I asked her: Is there something else important that you would like to reveal now? It's better to say it now, than if I learn about it later. She said NO. I asked once again, she said loud and clearly: NO. If she had problems, I'd help her (of course, if we would build a ser relationship and mutual trust). She has no extreme problems, this is just some pseudo-feminist bs. Old perverts give her all kinds of nasty orders and she fullfills them as if she's a dog or something. Nice "independence", yeah.

Sorry mate but none of this sticks. A young lady wishing to be independent, particularly whilst single, is not 'feminist stuff'. This idea is absolutely moronic and a girl stripping on camera due to strong feminist values is in itself, an entirely new concept. It's also interesting that you think she's the one with mental issues. And so what, she bought a pair of jeans, a jumper and some books (not for educational purposes).......what a slut?!  (:) Well guess what, I also buy stuff that isn't crucial for surviving and yesterday I purchased 4 books for my holiday, probably only one might be educational.......

Look I get it, you've gone so far down the road with these rants that its hard for you to find an exit without admitting that you've got most of this wrong. Sure, she wasn't your cup of tea and you wish you'd found out about the juicy bits earlier but sadly these types of secrets require an element of trust before sharing with internet strangers. Nobody's suggesting that this girl is idilic and how she lives her life is normal but dragging her through the gutter because it didn't work out only makes you look bad.

So we now know how clever you are, how knowledgable, how well travelled and how worldly you've become from your vast array of life experiences. Now its time to show that you're big enough to take criticism on board and learn from it, otherwise I suspect you'll always have problems finding a proper relationship with such an immature view of the world. The whole board can't be wrong.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2014, 08:20:51 AM
The whole board can't be wrong.

The whole board could be wrong but, in this case, we aren't because the OP absolutely threw himself on his underemployed sword. There were many amusing, self-contradictory moments, but the bit that I found to be the most amusing was the way that he denigrated the girl for her occupation (and her paying clients), yet admitted that he availed himself of a free, private session on Skype... and blames FSU women for being hypocritical.

It's not all bad, though; this thread is an excellent cautionary tale about how not to act with FSU girls.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on November 19, 2014, 08:48:59 AM
That bit seemed odd to me.

How can he dare to criticise her for doing that which he was an avid consumer of when it was offered to him?

What he is saying her is: It is OK for me to enjoy what you do but you are a slut for doing that which I enjoy That is wrong on just about every level.

My guess is that our hero apart from being very immature is more than a little repressed and that he has a conflict in his head (and maybe his body too) between the 'sex is dirty' stuff that he was taught as he grew up and the 'sex is fun' stuff that he has learned since his boy bits started turning into man bits.

He isn't the first and won't be the last to have that burden thrust upon him.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
To her credit, the girl saw through the verbose facade and avoided having that burden thrust inside her.

Today's trivia: if one includes the normal airport delays, it takes less time to drive from Macedonia to Western Ukraine than it takes to fly from JFK to KBP.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on November 19, 2014, 11:04:20 AM
Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?

I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be very interesting individual otherwise?

As a result of that "independence" now there're women who are shallow, who don't want to cook or to take care of kids etc. and there're milions of divorces and disilusioned WM, who are forced to look for a wife abroad. I'm not a conservative, I just prefer more reliable and stable woman. That's my right. If a woman is looking for a serious relationship, she must be ready to sacrifice part of her independence and make compromises (the man also). Love is about both taking AND giving. Many FSUW don't understand this, they say like "I will do whatever I bloody want, you can compromise your principles and accept it or you can leave it". Well, excuse me, the woman also needs to cooperate. You can't be commited and independent at the same time. You can't have sex and remain a virgin at the same time. Is your wife independent? Are you married or not married? You get my point.

No, I don't actually get your point.
It seems contradictory?

There may be a cultural disconnect that volshe mentioned?
I'm not sure.

To me, you seem to live in a world where two independent people, cannot be in loving,stable, mutually beneficial and committed relationship.Nor can they raise children, have family time,  or do normal house chores.
They seemingly also  must be shallow, (assume materialistic as well)?

Yes, I consider my wife independent, i would certainly not be interested in a women who wasn't capable of being a functioning  adult (to me the  words functioning  adult, imply independence, or something amiss)

That doesn't mean they are career women, or put a career as first priority.It doesn't mean they work at all.
Independence in this case simply means the mentality, maturity and capability of leading an independent adult life.
Seems a minimum requirement of any adult?
 All of the personality flaws you mentioned , can be held be a fully functioning, independent adults.


 I don't consider being in a committed relationship a sacrifice of my independence.
  I don't consider my wife's abilities to think independently,  act independently, or ability to lead a life on her own as an adult,  a challenge to our relationship in anyway.
I'd view it as a positive thing, and frankly a pretty minimum requirement in a partner.
 Before you have another rant, keep in mind my wife is home taking care of our child, in some *traditional* sense you have in mind.

 You certainly have every right to seek which best fits you!

To me, your generalities seem far off the mark,unless defining a very particular set of young women with a certain mentality.They are much easier to avoid than you let on.

The fact remains millions of FSU men have girlfriends or wives that take care of the children, cook clean..
 they may also have careers and be fully capable of leading independent lives if they so choose.
This would embody the bulk of the FSU population.

 I can not see how that would possibly be a negative thing.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: NS1 on November 19, 2014, 11:09:21 AM
Seems she is only a slut, when she is no longer giving him free shows,
As for the sword, I would donate one, if he would use it :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 01:05:08 PM
Donhollio suggests me that: I should send 1000$ each month to this shizophrenic girl, so I could keep her off that webcam site and that's how she will "love me". I have never even met her, she does not give a f. about me or even about her own family and I should pay this prostitute not to prostitute herself? Donhollio, did you use this method yourself? If yes, I don't envy that you're married. You are mad as a hatter. The value system of some people here is totally perverted. You guys should not be trusted.

the bit that I found to be the most amusing was the way that he denigrated the girl for her occupation (and her paying clients), yet admitted that he availed himself of a free, private session on Skype... and blames FSU women for being hypocritical.

TomT, you can't equate intimacy between lovers and intimacy between a client and a h00ker. Your value system is totally confused and you should not be trusted or respected. It's normal for me to share intimacy with the person with whom I have mutual sympathy. Be it in real life or virtually. For free, of course! Do you pay your wife to give you sex and to love you?

Andrew you have no clue about anything. I wasn't raised in a conservative family. Sex was discussed openly. My people have never been conservative about it. We have a rich erotic folklore. During our non-aligned and liberal communism, sex was in movies, magazines. Maybe that's why we don't behave like unleashed dogs, because erotica was not supressed here as it was in the FSU. Prostitution, camwhores and such things flourished in the FSU since the fall of communism, but not in my country.

We have boundaries that we don't cross. Receiving dildos up your ar$e in front of a cheering crowd is not our concept of "normal job". At least not for most of us. If this "camwhore" thing is normal for you, feel free to do it yourself. But who would pay to watch you anyway?

I'm OK with porn actresses, strippers. They can do whatever they want, but they're not my choice for a gf or a wife. You find it contradictional? Look, if you like clowns, do you have to marry one? No, it's just entertainment. Porn is an adult form of entertainment. If you'd tolerate to have such a gf or a wife, go and find one (but I doubt that she would like you).

I began a communication with this girl, because first she showed me only her "innnocent face". I got hooked on that face, not the second one that she later revealed. Still, I was grateful for her honesty, I gave our communication a chance and I compromised my principles. And what good was achieved? Nothing. From her side, she made no compromises, never fullfilled promises, she disregarded me, our health and safety and even her own family.  I'm very glad that I never met her. That's why she is a wh0re.

Rosco, you are right when you say that it takes time and trust for one to admit such a dirty secret. You don't reveal such things to a stranger in the first conversation. However, she choosed that nasty job herself, no one forced her. If she's daring enough to do it, then she will have to be daring enough to admit it openly in the very beginning, so that no one would be hurt later. Hurting people is bad and LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE IS A HYPOCRISY. Sorry. You can't have it both ways.

Rosco, would you prostitute yourself just to buy some inessencial things? Can I pay you 5 quid to eat a bucket of my excrement? Don't you have any standards? No offence, I'm just trying to make your brain work.

Why'd an independent-minded girl would accept a role of a "sex slave"? What I wrote really sounded contradictory. That's an antipode to feminism. However, I guess the logic is that she doesn't care about those men, they're just "instruments" for fullfiling her goals. The goal is independence and she has no moral "brakes" to achieve it. That's in a way "feministish".

Maybe in her perception, this job "empowers" her and she feels as if she's a "powerful bitch" and that she "manipulates men", she "pulls their noses", they are overwhelming her with attention, but they can never actually have her. You know, like Madonna's "Material Girl" or seomthing. Maybe I'm trying to find logic where it cannot be found.

And she does have issues. She talked to me about her depression and in the end she admited that she has some тараканы в голове (bugs in the head) and that she doesn't really know what she wants and what she does etc. Shortly, she's a shizophrenic. Maybe that's why there's no logic in what she does.

AJ, , you cannot fight wars for peace and f*ck for virginity. We all voluntarilly sacrifice part of our independence when we get into a serious relationship or a marriage. We say like you are mine and I'm yours. Or you belong to me and I belong to you. Otherwise, would your wife tolerate if you sleep around? Would you tolerate if she does the same? Or if she shares her intimacy online? Put a finger on your head and think, my friend.

Speaking of financial independence, that's good, of course! I do respect women who work hard and earn money in an hionest way. However, If it's earned by fullfilling orders of old perverts, that's not actually independence, that's surrendering yourself into sex slavery. It's "independence" only in the mind of that shizophrenic sl*t that I communicated with.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
TomT, you can't equate intimacy between lovers and intimacy between a client and a h00ker. Your value system is totally confused and you should not be trusted or respected. It's normal for me to share intimacy with the person with whom I have mutual sympathy. Be it in real life or virtually. For free, of course! Do you pay your wife to give you sex and to love you?

Your highly developed value system and views about intimacy certainly put us to shame! I predict that there will be a flood of members wanting to introduce you to their daughters, in-laws and friends.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AJ on November 19, 2014, 02:03:37 PM

AJ, , you cannot fight wars for peace and f*ck for virginity. We all voluntarilly sacrifice part of our independence when we get into a serious relationship or a marriage. We say like you are mine and I'm yours. Or you belong to me and I belong to you. Otherwise, would your wife tolerate if you sleep around? Would you tolerate if she does the same? Or if she shares her intimacy online? Put a finger on your head and think, my friend.

Are we equating independence = ability to date anyone /anytime?

I was speaking to a woman's independence, equated to non dependence on an outside provider  ,  her ability to be a functioning adult in society.

Committing to monogamy in a  relationship is a separate subject. It could be viewed as a sacrifice, I don't find it to be one.

I don't belong to my wife, as some possession,she doesn't belong to me. She is her own person, entirely, as she should be. Both parties making a choice of commitment
to a monogamous relationship, does not mean they choose dependency,or that they are actually making a sacrifice?
That would depend on the individuals perception?
Their choice can, and should, be mutually beneficial on a few levels.
I do agree relationships require compromise, i don't equate that with a true loss of independence.

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Speaking of financial independence, that's good, of course! I do respect women who work hard and earn money in an honest way.
Well that seems enlightened!!
lol sorry, i know you take a lot of flack ,and i was asking you questions to better understand your take on the FSU ..
and relationships.
I do hope those things seem  normal to you.

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However, If it's earned by fullfilling orders of old perverts, that's not actually independence, that's surrendering yourself into sex slavery. It's "independence" only in the mind of that shizophrenic sl*t that I communicated with.

I wasn't speaking to your virtual  acquaintance,or  her chosen employment.
I was asking a very general question as you had brought up women's independence being an issue of sorts.

It's one girl, you never met.

 She's not some example of the average single FSU woman.
Some of us pointing that out,  doesn't make us white knights, it makes us realists.

The reality is, most FSU women are indeed normal enough mothers daughters, aunts , grandmothers.
The bulk of which are not mother Teresa incarnate..
neither are they generally stervas, shallow, horrible human beings which are additionally routinely involved in the sex trade. :chuckle:

Yes, most are already in relationships , or not interested in a foreign man, and that's the real challenge to those looking.

You aren't looking,and your  over generalizations are odd.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
#1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

Donhollio suggests me that: I should send 1000$ each month to this shizophrenic girl, so I could keep her off that webcam site and that's how she will "love me". I have never even met her, she does not give a f. about me or even about her own family and I should pay this prostitute not to prostitute herself? Donhollio, did you use this method yourself? If yes, I don't envy that you're married. You are mad as a hatter. The value system of some people here is totally perverted. You guys should not be trusted.

I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2014, 04:09:41 PM
I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

Maybe a $100 on a flight would have been a good investment before you started dictating to, and abusing her.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 04:13:12 PM
I have never even met her,

Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.

Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

Maybe a $100 on a flight would have been a good investment before you started dictating to, and abusing her.

Maybe you should not escape from what I asked you, be a man and say what you think about Donhollios "ingenius advice". It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: JayH on November 19, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.

How long did it take you to work that out? :chuckle:

First we had "Banny" Hill--   !!   then this clown--surely this is A Fi amusing himself  !!!  ;D
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Lon on November 19, 2014, 04:28:44 PM
LthS, which ones?  Please be specific. Name names.

It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
LthS, which ones?  Please be specific. Name names.

It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".

Lon, I'm waiting for Manny to answer my question as a man without hiding: What is his opinion on Donhollio's "ingenius advice"?

Donhollio advised me that: I SHOULD SEND 1000$ EACH MONTH TO A PROSTITUTE, WHOM I NEVER MET AND WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ME, SO SHE WILL "LOVE ME" AND LEAVE THAT WEBCAM SITE BEHIND. (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386976#msg386976)

Donhollio also said that HE WAS SENDING 500$ EACH MONTH. (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387016#msg387016)

I quote our correspondence:

Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you.  :loving:

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 19, 2014, 06:03:04 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 06:20:03 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on November 19, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?
                   He is 29.

And three quarters.  :chuckle:

Nobody needs to know details.  :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 19, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

My view would be to look for a package deal - find a girl with a sister who is no more than 3 years younger, and try to get them on a 2-for-1 setup.  Much cheaper.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

My view would be to look for a package deal - find a girl with a sister who is no more than 3 years younger, and try to get them on a 2-for-1 setup.  Much cheaper.

My view is that you are covering eachother by posting nonsence. Manny and Donhollio, many people waiting for your answers and explanations.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Donhollio on November 19, 2014, 06:46:04 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

 Manny has gone to bed with his wifey, its 1:45am in his world.  Since you won't stop hounding me (I have an idea what your cam girl went through)  I'm not putting you on cam so I can't look into your eyes.   :rolleye0009:   I'm not sure why I find myself needing to explain this to you but here goes......
 
 She has a child, her mom works 6 days a week, she's a doctor and makes decent money. Once I was committed to her I offered to send money, so that I would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother, not some whack job promising the world and only giving idiotic demands. As well with her university degree she was able to get a full time job earning $120 a month.Her 9-5 job interfered with our phone time due to the 10h difference, so I told her to quit, as the boss was on the fence about her monthly salary anyway.  (:)

 So there you go. I decided instead of her mom supporting her and her grand daughter, I would 'man up' and take the leaders role.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 19, 2014, 07:32:13 PM
  Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else!  I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?

Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?

 Manny has gone to bed with his wifey, its 1:30am in his world.  Since you won't stop hounding me (I have an idea what your cam girl went through)  I'm not putting you on cam so I can't look into your eyes.   :rolleye0009:   I'm not sure why I find myself needing to explain this to you but here goes......
 
 She has a child, her mom works 6 days a week, she's a doctor and makes decent money. Once I was committed to her I offered to send money, so that I would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother, not some whack job promising the world and only giving idiotic demands. As well with her university degree she was able to get a full time job earning $120 a month. he 9-5 job interfered with our phone time due to the 10h difference, so I told her to quit, as the boss was on the fence about her monthly salary anyway.  (:)

 So there you go. I decided instead of her mom supporting her and her grand daughter, I would 'man up' and take the leaders role.

OK, thanks, sounds noble, but then why such a fine young gentleman like you suggested me to send huge amounts of money to some ordinary WH0RE whom I've never met in my life? Are you normal? How old are you? Do you have at least 2 grams of brains? Your story is different. You sent money to a single mother and a doctor, who obviously respected her mother, whom you convinced that you are serious.

SPEAKING OF THE CAMGIRL, IF SHE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO SHOW HER PUSSY AND A$$ TO TOTAL STRANGERS, SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BRAVE TO TELL ME HER DIRTY SECRET IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR COMMUNICATION, SO I COULD MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE!

Instead, she deceived me with her "innocent face", hooked me, then revealed her true hypocritical nature, broked all the promises. She disrespected me and disregarded our safety and health! Stop being like a cowardly woman and admit that I'm right!

You say you offered to send money to your grilfriend, so that you would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother. Ok, good. However in my case, the camgirl that I communicated with, disrespected her own mother and made her suffer because of her job!!! You can't compare our cases! They are different! Turn your brain on!

And second, I don't buy women with money. I had several long relationships with beautiful women that I conquered with my manhood, character, creativity and intellect. I had a 4 yrs relationship in RU. 5 yrs in my country.

Even this camgirl surrendered to my charm and gave me virtual pleasures that other men pay for. Real men don't need money to get a girl. It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart. I'm relatively attractive, I posses intellect, good values, I'm stubborn and decisive when a woman really deserves that. Money is not a problem, but I can't send to a woman that I don't know, especially if she's shallow and lousy!

But Ok, I understand you! Your case was specific. You found a single mother with kids, you helped her, that's noble. Your case is different. You found a doctor, not a camwhore. You can't apply your experiences to my case!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2014, 09:15:06 PM
Never having met her and the loss of contact was completely your fault, yet you are still blaming her. Adults should take responsibility for their actions and not shift the blame elsewhere, yet you are calling us immature.

p.s.

"Disrespected" is a term that inner-city American Blacks coined and erudite people avoid.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 20, 2014, 02:03:33 AM
It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.

Odd how others seems to manage OK on these sites, don't you think?

Perhaps all these "not serious" women prefer you fly to meet them rather than vice versa, perhaps they prefer not to be abused by a bloke damaged enough to think all cam women are hookers and whores, but enjoys a show anyway. Perhaps some do not want to be interrogated by a Keyboard Romeo who is too cheap to take a $100 flight to say hello but wants them to have a notarised HIV test handy. And perhaps others will be "not serious" because they can meet impecunious eastern European guys at home, and where you live may not have the same pull as America or Australia or someplace.

As for your sending money question, it isn't an avenue I would personally recommend. But that said, when in a proper relationship there may be circumstances where it is warranted as Don pointed out.

The problem with your tale does not lie with the woman in the story.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 07:51:00 AM
Never having met her and the loss of contact was completely your fault, yet you are still blaming her. Adults should take responsibility for their actions and not shift the blame elsewhere, yet you are calling us immature.

p.s.

"Disrespected" is a term that inner-city American Blacks coined and erudite people avoid.

It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.

Odd how others seems to manage OK on these sites, don't you think?

Perhaps all these "not serious" women prefer you fly to meet them rather than vice versa, perhaps they prefer not to be abused by a bloke damaged enough to think all cam women are hookers and whores, but enjoys a show anyway. Perhaps some do not want to be interrogated by a Keyboard Romeo who is too cheap to take a $100 flight to say hello but wants them to have a notarised HIV test handy. And perhaps others will be "not serious" because they can meet impecunious eastern European guys at home, and where you live may not have the same pull as America or Australia or someplace.

As for your sending money question, it isn't an avenue I would personally recommend. But that said, when in a proper relationship there may be circumstances where it is warranted as Don pointed out.

The problem with your tale does not lie with the woman in the story.


Manny, how could you be so "relaxed" about Donhollio's totally insane advice! You should have reacted harshly and warn people not to do or advice such things, when he wrote that! You are a mod here for Christ sake! You lost all the creditibily! You are not a serious person! You are defeated publicly by me with a knockout in front of all the readers of this forum! From now on your opionions don't mean nothing! ZERO!

You are all big children! You should not be trusted! If some newbie follow your advices he would end heartbroken, sponsoring a prostitute, who can scam him or even infect him! He would end in a graveyard! Dear readers of this forum: don't trust these men!

I didn't visit that girl because, as I said, we were both busy. It was too early, we just touched the subject of meeting theoretically.  You DIDN'T EVEN READ MY STORIES PROPERLY. HOW DARE YOU EVEN COMMENT!

The girl is parallely working and studying. Me, too. I'm not thinking about FSUW 24/7 like you. I have things to do in life: work, exams etc. These days I fought alone against 100 of you, I crushed all of your totally invalid opinions in pieces with my counter-arguments. I proved that many people here have no idea what they are talking about. Last night I had a "battle" here, I didn't sleep at all and just went straight to an exam and passed it. I'm intellectually capable to destroy all of you totally alone, while parallely finishing important real-life stuff. You all are just a bunch of ants.

The girl liked the idea of visiting me, she is well-traveled. There was no need for me to go there, to meet her family or something, as the girl didn't 'want a serious relationship, so we opted just for a holiday together. This girl is not a marriage material and she finally admited that herself!

Donhollio, how could you equate your case and my case? How could you compare your lady - doctor (a noble occupation that saves lives) with a camwhore! Moreover, a camwhore who lies, breaks promises, disrespects her family and her and mine safety! You are totally lost! The way you talked was as if you equate your and mine cases! This is simply not normal!

I understand that Donhollio sent money to a single mother with whom he was commited. Great. I was not commited to this camwhore, she doesn't even want any commitments and she is not a type a girl to commit to or to help financialy! YOU ARE ALL MAD!

And Manny, you are not well informed! True, my country is not extremely far from the FSU, but that doesn't mean it's SO simple to go there. Flights do not cost 100$, Manny stop being a shameless LIAR! No one should trust you anymore ever again!

First of all, there are no direct flights from my country to RU, UA, BY etc. The tickets cost around 350 euro (Serbian Airways through Belgrade, Austrian Airways through Vienna, Turkish Airlines through Ataturk, Istanbul, depends what you will find at the moment, you must buy earlier to catch the inexpensive tickers).

It's true that there is now a cheap company Pegasus from Sabiha Gokcen, Istanbul, they fly to some russian and ukrainian cities and are cheap, but not for 100$ and the connections are not always as you need. Like: you arive in Istanbul and that day there may not be a connecting flight to the place that you need to go OR the tickets get sold quickly because they are cheap. It's not that simple. Also, note that we are busy people.

There was Aeroflot in my city long time ago but they left because it was not profitable. Our citizens don't travel to the FSU much. It's true that we share some things with Russians, Ukrainians or Belarusians (we're slavic, orthodox, we write in cyrilic, we like them) BUT our people mostly travel to the West. There are dirt cheap flights to Western Europe (Germany, Italy, Switzerland, UK etc.). Also, our diaspora is mostly in Australia, Canada, US, Germany, Sweden etc. They don't go Russia much, so there are no much cheap offers. We are not a former soviet dominated country, we are not CIS (SNG) or something like that. Anyway, it's not a problem to book a ticket, but only if the girl deserves such as trouble. In this case, that was not so.

ALSO, NOTE: I CAN HAVE A WOMAN BE IT A LOCAL OR A FSU, I WANT TO FIND SOMEONE SPECIAL THAT WILL FULLFILL ME PHYSICALLY, INTELLECTUALLY AND SPIRITUALY! I'M NOT SO DESPERATE TO FALL FOR ANY WOMAN! ESPECIALLY NOT TO SPONSOR A PROSTITUTE! YOU ARE ALL MAD!

AND YES,FSU DATING SITES TODAY ARE FULL OF SHALLOW, CHEATING AND IRRESPONSIBLE YOUNG WOMEN! THE GOOD ONES ARE TAKEN, PREFER LOCALS OR THEY ARE BUSY IN THEIR LIVES OR I DUNNO!

AND I REPEAT: IF SOMEONE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO PROSTITUE HIMSELF IN FRONT OF STRANGER, HE MUST BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO SAY OPENLY ABOUT HIS JOB AT THE VERY BEGINNING! HYPOCRISY MUST NOT BE CONDONED!!!!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 20, 2014, 08:29:56 AM
Manny, how could you be so "relaxed" about Donhollio's totally insane advice! You should have reacted harshly and warn people not to do or advice such things, when he wrote that! You are a mod here for Christ sake! You lost all the creditibily! You are not a serious person! You are defeated publicly by me with a knockout in front of all the readers of this forum! From now on your opionions don't mean nothing! ZERO!

Don was mocking a fool and the fool is the only one who doesn't understand that he was being mocked.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
Manny, how could you be so "relaxed" about Donhollio's totally insane advice! You should have reacted harshly and warn people not to do or advice such things, when he wrote that! You are a mod here for Christ sake! You lost all the creditibily! You are not a serious person! You are defeated publicly by me with a knockout in front of all the readers of this forum! From now on your opionions don't mean nothing! ZERO!

You are all big children! You should not be trusted! If some newbie follow your advices he would end heartbroken, sponsoring a prostitute, who can scam him or even infect him! He would end in a graveyard! Dear readers of this forum: don't trust these men!

Don was mocking a fool and the fool is the only one who doesn't get it.

You are defeated. It's over you old little man.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 20, 2014, 08:55:03 AM
^  The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
^  The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.

Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 20, 2014, 09:53:14 AM
Issue № 1: With all due respect to the older / experienced members, but they fail to understand that the times are changing and so is the dating scene. The FSU is not what it used to be 10,15 or 20 years ago. The tricks that they used with the FSU women back then are not working anymore.

It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.

 :coffeeread:


Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 20, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
I can not understand your longing.

I might add that it is generally not done on RUA to use BOLD and larger type to voice your hurt.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 10:58:06 AM
I can not understand your longing.

I might add that it is generally not done on RUA to use BOLD and larger type to voice your hurt.

AvHdB, there's no other way to talk to dyslexic people, who didn't even read my posts properly before they write idiotic comments.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 20, 2014, 11:00:20 AM
^  The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.

Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.

How aptly you describe yourself.
A donkeys turd would be as the perfume of the gods compared to the bile that you spout.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
^  The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.

Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.

How aptly you describe yourself.
A donkeys turd would be as the perfume of the gods compared to the bile that you spout.


Now you definetly got me with this ingenious "counterargument". Instead of a medal, here's a golden dildo. You can join a webcam site, since you so fanaticaly condonde such practises.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on November 20, 2014, 11:33:04 AM
26 pages so far & nobody agrees with you LFTS.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 20, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Curious, there is little to judge you by but your screaming, now monotomeus tome and your insults. But your attitude and unwillingness to listen to others advice and insight is troubling.

In fact in Amsterdam I have seen it before, I am curious it is a trait that a larger group of Muslim's share, are you in fact Muslim?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
Curious, there is little to judge you by but your screaming, now monotomeus tome and your insults. But your attitude and unwillingness to listen to others advice and insight is troubling.

In fact in Amsterdam I have seen it before, I am curious it is a trait that a larger group of Muslim's share, are you in fact Muslim?

No, I'm not a muslim,  I already mentioned that we are orthodox christians and very liberal btw, but you haven't even read my posts. I'm not a saint or a puritan, I'm just telling things as they are. Don't distort my story and don't misrepresent me. Read all my posts and THEN comment. You have no clue, obviously.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on November 20, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Like a durable bunny, longingfortheshag goes on and on and on.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 20, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
What exactly are you hoping to achieve?

I achieved all I wanted.

1.I exposed that many fsuw are shallow, irresponsible, disrespectful and hypocritical prostitutes (not all of them).
2. Many men on this forum are shady, unethical, immature and irresponsible and shouldn't be trusted.

After being defeated, Manny has nothing to say except defocusing with irrelevant bs and childish smileys (as in his last comment).

He condones selling human dignity (even with no necesity) and shady webcam businesses (is he involved in them?). He disregards hiv prevention. He's relaxed about people who "impress" desperate single mothers with money. He has not much problem if people buy "love" by sponsoring prostitues & camwhores. Shady....

Same about Tom et al.

IF some forumers practised shady things, THEN I do not envy their "successes", no matter how much they repeat: "Look, I'm married" (which shows their complexes btw).

Some men are just male equivalents of that camgirl, whom they defended. She doesn't respect her own mum, let alone other people. So, maybe she will say "thanks" to her defenders (sure).

Masks have fallen. La commedia è finita.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 20, 2014, 02:15:46 PM
^  The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.

Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.

How aptly you describe yourself.
A donkeys turd would be as the perfume of the gods compared to the bile that you spout.


Now you definetly got me with this ingenious "counterargument". Instead of a medal, here's a golden dildo. You can join a webcam site, since you so fanaticaly condonde such practises.

A psychiatrist would have a field day studying you.
In practically every post you make some sexual reference or the other. You really do have a problem(s)........guesses, anyone?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 20, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
La commedia è finita.

Praise the Lord!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 20, 2014, 04:06:07 PM
........guesses, anyone?

I can't decide. He has the drama-queen characteristic of histrionic, the deceit and manipulation of antisocial, the aggrandized sense of self that lines up with narcissistic and the intense and unstable emotions of borderline. He's got cluster B well covered.

His spelling of "wh0re" and "h00ker" strikes me.  Also, he replaces letters with symbols in words that he cannot face, such as "sl*t" and "a$$hole." A professional might be able to make sense of it but I can't.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 20, 2014, 04:55:57 PM
After being defeated, Manny has nothing to say except defocusing with irrelevant bs and childish smileys (as in his last comment).

There was no "defeat". I have little to say because I cannot get onboard with how you think.

He condones selling human dignity (even with no necesity) and shady webcam businesses (is he involved in them?). He disregards hiv prevention. He's relaxed about people who "impress" desperate single mothers with money. He has not much problem if people buy "love" by sponsoring prostitues & camwhores. Shady....

Again with your silliness here, anyone who read the topic can read what I actually said. And it wasn't how you represented it.

I dont have time or inclination to battle your stupidity in your elementary English. People can read what I write/wrote and make their own minds up.

I was dating Russian speaking women in the 90's. Many here were before me. Many of the married guys here had long and varied journeys to get to where they are today. They all learned some stuff. If asked, they will share it. They met the good and bad. You are not bringing much new to the table. What we are seeing is a neophyte who is shocked at the realities and hasn't got the game to play with the big boys and doesn't grasp the myriad of women out there.

Read the topic. Not one guy here is supporting you (and we all differ on almost everything else). But many are long married and/or have much experience. Why is that?

For sure, in an ideal world, guys may not want to meet a cam girl. But delve our archives and guys have babies with pole dancers and strippers. Its a big subject and maybe not one for the puritanical or overly religious. But the language you use tells us all we need to know really. Such a girl isn't for you. So why are you still ranting? Move on. Find a village girl who only knows how to milk her goat.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 21, 2014, 11:12:22 PM
Yes, you've all been defeated as in that soccer match Brazil - Germany 0:7. There are shady characters here, whose methods to find a wife are questionable. Seeing that some men don't have scrupules, I'm afraid that they may be involved in shady businesses. I'm not a moralist, I'm just telling things as they are.

There's no point to discuss further, I'll just write a conclusion. There's something toxic in this forum, so I better avoid it and dedicate to work, edu and things that really matter.

Some people bought their wifes. Don was sending his gf 500$ per month to show her mum that he is "serious". He didn't mention personal qualities, only money. If this is a way to be considered "serious" and if her mum was "selling her", then there's something tasteless going on. Helping a single mum is noble, but Don equated his wife to my camgirl. He suggested that I send money (1000$) just as he did, to buy that camgirl off that site. I asked: you KIDDING? He said no. If I was his wife, I'd divorce him.

He also said like: The camgirl's mum is hurt and she cries, but that will put food on the table and keep electricity flowing. That sounded discusting. Human dignity is not for sale. Maybe in extreme cases, but this camgirl is not starving. She just wants to "buy new jeans".

Being financialy stable is required in this search, but if you rely only on it, you are not a real man. The FSU dating was supposed to be about real men looking for honest women. Not about buying prostitutes or desperate single mums.

Manny is a mod, but he didn't react to Don's behaviour. Manny ridiculed my ethics and called me "a priest". He also ridiculed honest work (like: better to strip than to do hard labour). Asked about Don, Manny replied "softly" like: I don't recommend that, but it's an individual choice. He broke the principles: Don't send money, be a real man, attract a woman with your qualities and don't risk being scammed.

Manny is "relaxed" about ethics. Tom also. AvHdB even compared me to a "muslim" (which I'm not), just because I have some boundaries. If you are all SO liberal, then you can suggest to join a webcam site to your wife, daughter, sister, mother and everyone female in your family.

Manny pushes people into flying to visit shady women. He criticized me for inviting her to my country. He pretends not to know that many FSUW are well traveled. You can find them even in Goa and Thailand. There was no need for me to fly to her and meet her family, as she demanded a no-strings-attached holiday and I accepted her conditions.

All of you guys defended a shady camgirl who lied, broke promises and disrespected me and even her familiy. You condone hypocrisy. If she's brave to strip for strangers, she should have been brave to say it immediatly, so I could make an informed choice.

I was accused that I'm a hyprocrite, cause I like porn. But I don't want to marry a pornstar. If you like horror movies, you marry a monster? If you like comedies, you marry a clown? No, it's just entertainment. Porn is adult entertainment. Pornstars do it openly, while this camgirl is hypocritical. She told me about her secret too late and reluctantly.

People also attack me, because I asked her for a "sexy show" on Skype, while I criticized her job. You can't compare intimacy between lovers AND intimacy between strippers and clients. You all have mental issues.

This girl's secret suprised me. I had dillemas, I'm not a robot. It was too late to get out of this virt relationship. I tried to make the best of it (When life gives you lemons...). I accepted her demands, but it didn't help.

I never demanded anything, I just hoped that she will leave her job and she PROMISED that, but she never did it. I reasonably suggested std testing at a right moment. If she's is prostituting virtually, maybe she is doing it in real life. Everyone can catch hiv. She promised to do a test, but never did. You guys ridiculed this, which shows your irresponsibility. I also begged her not to hurt her mum, but she continues that.

This girl is a monster and she'll pay for it. I wish she spends her salaries in a pharmacy. I wish that her house is showned on TV, when there are reports about wars and fires.

She is not important anyway. Then, what's really important? Many FSUW are simply corrupted. She's just one of the milions such women.

Xmas and New Year are coming. Single men can be emotionally vulnerable. Some may compromise their principles just not to be alone. Don't do that. It's not worth it. I'm glad that I made compromises only virtually and not in real life. I'm happy I never met her. I'm happy I didn't bring such SNAKE in my home.

I never denied there are many good FSUW. And many good men, who helped me like a brother and feeded me until I exploded. I'm sad that I haven't wrote any nice travelogues, but this thread took all my time.

Уважаемые Русские, Украинцы, Белорусы, Татари, Казахи и др. Я вас всех уважаю. Я не писал все это, чтобы вас оскорбил, а чтобы заставить всех думать.

I have no problem to find girls in the FSU or locally. I had attractive ones in my life. However, now I'm single and I want to find someone special, who'll fullfill me 100% physicaly and intellectually. This is hard. It's better to be single than to sell yourself to a shady woman.

I hope that all honest men will find the right FSUW for them. If not, these men should abandon the search and stop feeding this "FSU dating" nonsense.

Давай до свидания!

P.S. Tom be quiet, if I spit, you'll drown.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 21, 2014, 11:53:42 PM
You really do not understand life do you?

I find it hard to understand those who only focus on the negative.


Yes, you've all been defeated as in that soccer match Brazil - Germany 0:7. There are shady characters here, whose methods to find a wife are questionable. Seeing that some men don't have scrupules, I'm afraid that they may be involved in shady businesses. I'm not a moralist, I'm just telling things as they are.


You are not a moralist nor are you a realist, bigot comes closer to the reality.


I better avoid it and dedicate to work, edu and things that really matter. If some honest men want to share opinions, I made an email: longingforthesouth. . . . If that's against the rules, remove it.


Allot of members have given there opinions and you will NOT consider them to your preconceived ideas. Yes we generally do not share e.Mails, so it most likely will be removed.


Some people bought their wifes. Don was sending his gf 500$ per month to show her mum that he is "serious". He didn't mention personal qualities, only money. If this is a way to be considered "serious" and if her mum was "selling her", then there's something tasteless going on. Helping a single mum is noble, but Don equated his wife to my camgirl. He suggested that I send money (1000$) just as he did, to buy that camgirl off that site. I asked: you KIDDING? He said no. If I was his wife, I'd divorce him.


Don has a sense of humour, you do not have that anymore. No he did not buy his wife. I suspect a generation ago this “buying” a wife did happen between men from the west and women in the fSU. I do not think it happens anymore on a regular basis.



Being financialy stable is required in this search, but if you rely only on it, you are not a real man. The FSU dating was supposed to be about real men looking for honest women. Not about buying prostitutes or desperate single mums.


This is true.


Manny is a mod, but he didn't react to Don's behaviour. Manny ridiculed my ethics and called me "a priest". He also ridiculed honest work (like: better to strip than to do hard labour). Asked about Don, Manny replied "softly" like: I don't recommend that, but it's an individual choice. He broke the principles: Don't send money, be a real man, attract a woman with your qualities and don't risk being scammed.


Manny owns RUA and knows when Don is joking. My feeling is that when you are in a committed relationship you will financially help your future partner. I do.


. . .  AvHdB even compared me to a "muslim" (which I'm not), just because I have some boundaries. If you are all SO liberal, then you can suggest to join a webcam site to your wife, daughter, sister, mother and everyone female in your family.

I asked if you were perhaps a Muslim. You have a very repulsive way at looking at women in my opinion

. . . He (Manny) criticized me for inviting her to my country. He pretends not to know that many FSUW are well traveled. You can find them even in Goa and Thailand. There was no need for me to fly to her and meet her family, as she demanded a no-strings-attached holiday and I accepted her conditions.


So you know there are dating sites for girls who want to travel and you can be there sponsor and travel companion. It seems to me you found a so-called “a good time girl” and now either regret your choice or are bitter.

All of you guys defended a shady camgirl who lied, broke promises and disrespected me and even her familiy. You condone hypocrisy. If she's brave to strip for strangers, she should have been brave to say it immediatly, so I could make an informed choice.

I gave no comment about your dating choices. You seem to have a thin grasp of reality and English comprehension.

I was accused that I'm a hyprocrite, cause I like porn. But I don't want to marry a pornstar. If you like horror movies, you marry a monster? If you like comedies, you marry a clown? No, it's just entertainment. Porn is adult entertainment. Pornstars do it openly, while this camgirl is hypocritical. She told me about her secret too late and reluctantly.

Because you did not do enough due diligence you blame Manny and the rest of RUA.

It sounds like you have some challenges.

People also attack me, because I asked her for a "sexy show" on Skype, while I criticized her job. You can't compare intimacy between lovers AND intimacy between strippers and clients. You all have mental issues.

This girl's secret suprised me. I had dillemas, I'm not a robot. It was too late to get out of this virt relationship. I tried to make the best of it (When life gives you lemons...). I accepted her demands, but it didn't help.

You do not have dilemmas – you have challenges. If you were so morally pure you would have bailed as soon as you found out the reality. In fact I suspect you believe in the so called “White Knight Syndrome” and you failed.

I never demanded anything, I just hoped that she will leave her job and she PROMISED that, but she never did it. I reasonably suggested std testing at a right moment. If she's is prostituting virtually, maybe she is doing it in real life. Everyone can catch hiv. She promised to do a test, but never did. You guys ridiculed this, which shows your irresponsibility. I also begged her not to hurt her mum, but she continues that.

Perhaps what you were seeking was a fix her upper?

This girl is a monster and she'll pay for it. I wish she spends her salaries in a pharmacy. I wish that her house is showned on TV, when there are reports about wars and fires.

She is not important anyway. Then, what's really important? Many FSUW are simply corrupted. She's just one of the milions such women.

Charming, nice to understand your Christian morals.


Xmas and New Year are coming. Single men can be emotionally vulnerable. Some may compromise their principles just not to be alone. Don't do that. It's not worth it. I'm glad that I made compromises only virtually and not in real life. I'm happy I never met her. I'm happy I didn't bring such SNAKE in my home.

I never denied there are many good FSUW. And many good men, who helped me like a brother and feeded me until I exploded. I'm sad that I haven't wrote any nice travelogues, but this thread took all my time.

I have no problem to find girls in the FSU or locally. I had attractive ones in my life. However, now I'm single and I want to find someone special, who'll fullfill me 100% physicaly and intellectually. This is hard. It's better to be single than to sell yourself to a shady woman.

I hope that all honest men will find the right FSUW for them. If not, these men should abandon the search and stop feeding this "FSU dating" nonsense.

There is a fair bit of truth in what you write, but I will caution if you search for the 100% woman, you will be searching for a long time. A relationship that crosses different cultural boundaries requires more work but in the end it is worth it in my opinion

P.S. Tom be quiet, if I spit, you'll drown.

RUA has a low tolerance for threats. Though yours is high on the bizarre rating.

NB: I modified my origional after the posting of Danchik and Manny.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 22, 2014, 12:08:39 AM
This girl is a monster and she'll pay for it. I wish she spends her salaries in a pharmacy. I wish that her house is showned on TV, when there are reports about wars and fires.

 :eeekk:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Danchik on November 22, 2014, 12:09:06 AM
This comes quickly to mind.

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

― Mark Twain
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Boris on November 22, 2014, 03:22:11 AM
"People also attack me, because I asked her for a "sexy show" on Skype, while I criticized her job. You can't compare intimacy between lovers AND intimacy between strippers and clients. You all have mental issues."

Lovers? Did I missed something? You pulled up your knickers, left your computer and went somewhere?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Boris on November 22, 2014, 03:25:11 AM
For sure, in an ideal world, guys may not want to meet a cam girl. But delve our archives and guys have babies with pole dancers and strippers. Its a big subject and maybe not one for the puritanical or overly religious. But the language you use tells us all we need to know really. Such a girl isn't for you. So why are you still ranting? Move on. Find a village girl who only knows how to milk her goat.

We even had one guy whose wife became a stripper after she came here at his urging. Gotta pay the bills baby....:-)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 22, 2014, 10:48:48 AM
I don't recall a member ever writing so much, so passionately and employing so much projection about his afflictions. For example, multiple members have explained that Don was mocking him, yet he continues to rant about it. I don't believe that this is a case of simply ignoring the explanation; I think that this is a case of denial, so strong that the comments have been willed out of existence.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: ECR844 on November 22, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
As mentioned before this guy is a 'sick puppy.' It's no wonder that the media exemplify individuals like this in their 'tales of woe and warning' they so often publish and document about this endeavor.

It's sad. If one doesn't have the pleasure nor ability to find and to interact with some of the more normal and real folks who have gone through this journey and are for the most part 'normal variant' individuals. One could easily be left to think that individuals like the OP are the 'norm'.

Seriously, seek professional psychological/social help before attempting a real relationship with another human, "longingforthesouth".
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 22, 2014, 11:39:18 AM
Perhaps this entire thread should be moved over to the "Train Wreck area".

While not quite a true Trip Report, it might help some to understand how NOT to conduct your self and to judge if you are balanced enough for this endeavor.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 22, 2014, 01:24:10 PM
Perhaps this entire thread should be moved over to the "Train Wreck area".

I agree; it's only a trip in the slang usage of the term.

In summary, stalking a girl and calling her a "schizophrenical (sic) slut" isn't the best thing to do, even if no further contact is desired. In this case, an apology would have been the right thing to do, even though the OP felt that he did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 12:45:25 AM
Don has a sense of humour

AvHdB, don't try to save your sorry a$$. I don't find Don's "humour" funny. I don't find amusing if someone compares his own wife to some camwhore. It's clear that some people here, in a way, "bought" their wives. No BS will change that. Here are the quotes in your face, eat them and choke on them:

Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you.  :loving:

 Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.

 #1   Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
 #2   Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
 #3   Go meet her, get the tests done
 #4   Return to have sex and let love bloom

You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????

No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...

No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.

After I asked him how can he say such things, he started to find ways out of it as in "I was just joking".

I have taken your words and decided to make something of it

Then Don explained me his story. He was helping his lady which per se is noble. But how he could equate his case and my case? He was like: "I was helping my lady with money, you can help your camwhore with money". Another reason for sending money was so his lady's mum would take him seriously. "Seriousness" is counted by the money you send? He bought the trust of his gf's mum? She, in a way, "sold" her daughter to him? You are sick.

Once I was committed to her I offered to send money, so that I would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother

Normal people don't put their own wifes in a same sentence with camwhore. Normal people don't start immediatly talking about money when the subject is relationships or marriage. Normal people wouldn't recommend someone to rush into a relationship with a camwhore.If you have no problem with that then you are a psychopath.

Don was also quite "relaxed" that this camwhore's mother suffered about her daughter's job. And it was a needless job, they are middle class. They had some hard talks. Instead of supporting the mother, Don said something like: "Well who cares, it brings food on the table". Look:

She is I'm sure worried about her mom finding out what she does for a living, but that money she makes and (most likely they live together) puts food on the table and keeps the electricity flowing.

You are all psyhopaths and old pervs and pimps. This thread would have been moved to Train Wreck, only if I followed your advices: I'd end with a shizophrenic prostitue who changes her personality every day, who hurts her mum with her job, she doesn't care about health and hiv prevention and I'd finally end in a graveyard.

AvHdB, now chew and be quiet. You lost. You have no clue. You haven't even read my original story, but you dare to comment. Or maybe you get nervy cause you bought a wife yourself?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 12:50:03 AM
Lovers? Did I missed something? You pulled up your knickers, left your computer and went somewhere?

You missed everything. We liked eachother with the girl. Honestly. That's something that old shady pervs like you, who condone buying wifes and prostitution will never understand. You probably have never been loved. You probably pay your own wife to "make love" cause she wouldnt touch you even with rubber gloves. Tom most probably does the same. "Real men", sure.

We even had one guy whose wife became a stripper after she came here at his urging. Gotta pay the bills baby....:-)

Of course Boris, we know there are lot of shady characters, old pervs and pimps in this forum. That's exactly my point. Normal decent women wouldn't even think to have anything with most of you guys.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 01:46:08 AM
For sure, in an ideal world, guys may not want to meet a cam girl. But delve our archives and guys have babies with pole dancers and strippers. Its a big subject and maybe not one for the puritanical or overly religious. But the language you use tells us all we need to know really. Such a girl isn't for you. So why are you still ranting? Move on. Find a village girl who only knows how to milk her goat. :biggrin:

Well, if you have no scrupules, then you can milk a donkey (a male one). Tom can allow the donkey to mount on him from behind. Not a big deal (as you say).

Of course I respect goatherders and peasants much more than some SHALAVA who sticks dildos up her ar$e for money in front of cheering old pervs, and who pretends to be a "MORE FAMILY ORIENTED" once she's off the webcam. If she's opened about it from the very start, then I'd not be so rigid. However:

FSU dating was about finding more traditional women as opposed to the decadent western women. Thousands of WM got into FSU dating just to find out that most of it is B*LLOCKS (which you proved, thanks). There are some good women, but are rare.

FSU dating was not about buying a stripper, camwhore or a prostitute. That's not what most of us, real men, were looking for. I don't find people who (in a way) "bought" prostitutes or desperate single mums, "real men".

Now, it's clear how some guys got married. Normal decent women wouldn't touch them even in rubber gloves. Compared to the women that some guys married, most of my girls were very decent (not nuns, they were sexy, but had certain boundaries). I even had virgins. No, I'm not conservative. It's just an example that I was much more succesful in winning women's hearts than some fake "alpha men" here, who had to pay to be "loved". Losers.

Also, many forumers lived in the FSU 15-20 yrs ago when it was different, which helped them with women. Some guys may have been involved in shady businesses back then and made some money. Their advices today mean sh*t. The pathetic number of new marriages in the last years shows how your advices worth. ZERO. If I listened to you guys, I'd end with a shizophrenical, hypocritical and disrespectful camwhore, who on top of that may be infected. You are all lost in space.

Now, I'm not without a flaw. I have the street school, Manny, I'm not a naive child. I've seen all kinds of sh. in my life, junkies, sl*ts, criminals etc. I'd understand if there are serious reasons for prostitution such as survival, BUT not reasons such as: plain youth stupidity or just "buying nice clothes" (such as in the case of my camgirl).

If you condone prostituting for no special reason, then I told you: Send there your daughter. Or sell her to human traffickers. Or to organ smugglers. You have no morals anyway, why would you care? Nothing is sacred for you. You laugh at people who have certain ethics. No, it's not puritanical for a man to have an honor and you, guys, don't have it.

I'm crushing you like a bunch of ants. The lies are over. People read this and understand what is happening behind the curtains of this forum. It's some shady joint full of questionable characters. You should not be trusted, guys.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Boris on November 23, 2014, 02:20:55 AM
LFTS said

 We liked eachother with the girl. Honestly.

You mean you "liked" yourself while you watched this girl. I can assure you that she had no feelings for you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on November 23, 2014, 02:53:12 AM
longingforthesouth,
You have lousy taste and manners for communication. If you think that you will be in Russia in decent society, then you are sadly mistaken! tiphat
Bye-bye / Пока-пока!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 23, 2014, 02:57:34 AM
LFTS said

 We liked eachother with the girl. Honestly.

You mean you "liked" yourself while you watched this girl. I can assure you that she had no feelings for you.
Yep, he sure did milk that goat.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 08:17:56 AM
longingforthesouth,
You have lousy taste and manners for communication. If you think that you will be in Russia in decent society, then you are sadly mistaken! tiphat
Bye-bye / Пока-пока!

I know that Russia is not a decent society, thanks for confirming what I'm saying all the time. Unfortunatelly. That makes me sad. Because I like traditional Russia. Russia of writers, composers, folklore, traditions, museums, old churches etc. Где потерялась доброта русского человека и другие ценности?

I don't like this westernized "Russia" of webcam sites, strip bars, sponsors, vulgar materialism and shady western businessmen who make money out of your sisters and daughters. Что случилось с вашим народом? За копейки продались?

I'm not anti-western oriented. The West has very good things: democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, good economy etc. but Russia hasn't adopted any of them. Instead, Russia took all the worst things from the West and became it's "Recycle bin" so to speak.

Don't blame me for the manners, that'd be hypocritical, уважаемая Аннушка. I'm not the worst here and I'm not the first who uses harsh words. I'm just a quick learner. If I behaved like a sheep, these wolves would eat me in 3 seconds. You don't feel that because you are a lady and they don't argue with you.

But if you are a man and if you try to make a normal conversation, you will be attacked from all sides, called names, blamed for everything, they will distort your words and finally, once you are up against the wall, you will have two options: to face them and fight OR to turn them your (excuse my word) backside. Such "sport" is not for me, so I decided to fight till death.

I can be banned, moved, killed or whatever, it will not stop the truth. Guests are reading this, though they don't actively take part in the debate. Even if this thread is deleted, there are places on the internet that keep cached copies.

Many western men went to Russia to look for more traditional women, not for copies of western women. That was the whole point. I have enough shallow women in my country (I have lots of criticism about my country, as well), so why would I travel all the way to Russia to find the same kind of women? The problem is that many foreign men have been misguided by the dating industry. They have been told that milions of family oriented russian women are waiting for them. My goal was to debunk such myths or exagerations and I achieved everything that I wanted. Now I can just open a champagne, but I don't drink alcohol.

I had to beat everyone here and to make my point heard: Many russian women, unfortunatelly, are corrupted. I'm NOT a hardline moralist, but ВСЕМУ ЕСТЬ ПРЕДЕЛ. Вы это хорошо понимаете, Аннушка (надеюсь).

If someone decided to be a prostitute, stripper or a pornstar, OK! I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT! If someone wants to be gay, FINE! But I will not tolerate any hypocricy, double morality and playing games with people's feelings. People need to be told the truth from the very beginning, so they can make an informed choice. My choice are not strippers or prostitues. My choice was a quiet, cute girl. It's not MY fault that she had a dirty secret, that I learned too late. That's called hyprocrisy. Double morality. Living paralel lives.

Also, that girl had many other issues except being a stripper. That's the least problem. She hurt her own parents and made them suffer (normal people are not proud if their child becomes a virtual prostitute), she broke promises, she disregarded our health, she had certain psychological problems and so on.

No one ever bothered to ask: Wait a minute! Maybe sometimes women do bad things? Maybe not always the men are guilty for everything?

Annushka, have you ever thought that your russian sisters sometimes do wrong things? Unfortunatelly, this cannot be discussed freely on this forum, cause many men take that too personally or they are afraid for their dating businesses or they think that they must always be "white knights". Annushka, ask yourself: do you like honest MEN or scarred MICE?

Many russian women have no concept of self-criticism and they simply can't see anything wrong in their behaviour. They say like: "That's me, take it or leave it", "I will do whatever I want, you will have to tolerate", "Мне можно" (Because I can) etc. This is called egoism, Annushka. You can't build a relationship, even a virtual correspondence if both sides do not cooperate and if both don't make concensuses, compromises and both have to take criticism and to criticise themselves.

Russian women, look deep inside yourself. You are human beings, а люди как люди делают ошибки. Let's be honest now, if I wasn't harsh, you would never bother to hear my point. Thanks for reading this.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on November 23, 2014, 08:55:55 AM
lfts, in among the nasty, cruel, spiteful, selfish words there are words that ring true. It is bound to happen, if I recite a dictionary then anyone would understand some of the words.

What you have not yet understood is that the issues you face are not about the people you have yet to meet but about you and your reactions to them. So, yes, people reading this thread in the future (and I certainly hope they will!) are almost certain to see what you do not: that the person writing the words is unable to see himself and lacks empathy, the ability to place himself in the place of others.

You are not alone in this regard, there's plenty of people who, to a greater or lesser degree, suffer with your affliction. Most of 'em learn rules and guidelines to help them to deal with the problem.

The anger that you are showing here, that you directed at this poor woman, is anger that you really feel in yourself: how did I hook up with a woman like this, why do I feel these conflicts about sex and intimacy, why do other people not understand me and probably a slew of others.

Truly, this woman, the unfortunate target of your 'affections' has done little or nothing wrong with you, she was open with you, tried to show you how her work worked, tried to gain your trust and understanding. The issues all come from you, from your fears, inadequacies and misdirected anger.

Put it another way, assume that another person met this woman online and went through the same initial process of exploring each other's world and personality. It is likely that quite a few would also be disconcerted by her work, some might even choose to take some kind of moral stance upon it. Most people though would simply and politely end the process of getting to know each other and withdraw.

You made a different choice, you chose to pursue her, to go down a dark and unpleasant hole. You wanted to perve over her body, to be the voyeur at the same time as castigating her for allowing you to do so. Later you tried to blame her for all your personality issues.

I doubt any reader of this thread in a few years is going to read it and, having read your words, will not feel unclean, they will feel, as I do, soiled by the association.

It does not matter what work this woman did or does, the sole important point here is your reaction to it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on November 23, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
He calls us a bunch of "psyhopaths (sic) and old pervs and pimps" yet, when we are rejected, it's usual for us to be complimentary, wish the girl happiness and let her know that the door is open if she has a change of heart. Under the same circumstances, he has an epic meltdown, stalks her, calls her a "schizophrenical (sic) slut" and wishes her dead. For a while, this topic had some entertainment value but it has deteriorated into a mental illness palooza. It's nearing the time for the curtain to fall on this spectacle.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 10:42:30 AM
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 23, 2014, 11:11:31 AM
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....
How many times does it have to repeated? With a cognitive deficit of such epic proportion it's no wonder she's given you the cold shoulder.
Read what's been written here and when done read it again and again. The truth wil eventually out. You know it's out there, just man up to it.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 23, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....

If you think going on a webcam or stripping, to earn money, is the same as a ladyboy ... you might be a moron LFTS
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 23, 2014, 12:55:17 PM
Being ignorant is not such a shame, as being unwilling to learn from your mistakes. B. Franklin

longingforthesouth,
You have lousy taste and manners for communication. If you think that you will be in Russia in decent society, then you are sadly mistaken! tiphat
Bye-bye . . .

I know that Russia is not a decent society, thanks for confirming what I'm saying all the time. Unfortunatelly. That makes me sad. Because I like traditional Russia. Russia of writers, composers, folklore, traditions, museums, old churches etc. . . .

I don't like this westernized "Russia" of webcam sites, strip bars, sponsors, vulgar materialism and shady western businessmen who make money out of your sisters and daughters.

What Annushka is politely saying and what you do not or will not comprehend is that everyone finds there own level in society. Based on your responses and your sordid tale I fear it will not be very high.

I am confident if I go Macedonia I can find strip bars, sponsors, vulgar materialism, so you know you can find these things in The Netherlands and The United States.

But if you are a man and if you try to make a normal conversation, you will be attacked from all sides, called names, blamed for everything, they will distort your words and finally, once you are up against the wall, you will have two options: to face them and fight OR to turn them your (excuse my word) backside. Such "sport" is not for me, so I decided to fight till death.

I can be banned, moved, killed or whatever, it will not stop the truth. Guests are reading this, though they don't actively take part in the debate. Even if this thread is deleted, there are places on the internet that keep cached copies.
I suspect the so-called lurkers are thinking OMG.  ???  The truth is you are the only person screaming. Have you ever read the novel of M. de Cervantes, Don Quixte, the only thing you are lacking is Sancha Panza, I doubt you will find him trolling RUA.

Many western men went to Russia to look for more traditional women, not for copies of western women. That was the whole point. I have enough shallow women in my country (I have lots of criticism about my country, as well), so why would I travel all the way to Russia to find the same kind of women? The problem is that many foreign men have been misguided by the dating industry. They have been told that milions of family oriented russian women are waiting for them. My goal was to debunk such myths or exagerations and I achieved everything that I wanted. Now I can just open a champagne, but I don't drink alcohol.

But you are not a man, not at least as I know those who have succesful relationships. And it does not matter if it is a cross cultural partnership or from you high school sweetheart (so to speak). You get on your soap box and rant about your expierence. You will not consider another's opinion.

I had to beat everyone here and to make my point heard: Many russian women, unfortunatelly, are corrupted. I'm NOT a hardline moralist, but . . .

If someone decided to be a prostitute, stripper or a pornstar, OK! I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT! If someone wants to be gay, FINE! But I will not tolerate any hypocricy, double morality and playing games with people's feelings. People need to be told the truth from the very beginning, so they can make an informed choice. My choice are not strippers or prostitues. My choice was a quiet, cute girl. It's not MY fault that she had a dirty secret, that I learned too late. That's called hyprocrisy. Double morality. Living paralel lives.

Also, that girl had many other issues except being a stripper. That's the least problem. She hurt her own parents and made them suffer (normal people are not proud if their child becomes a virtual prostitute), she broke promises, she disregarded our health, she had certain psychological problems and so on.

It is unusual for a woman of the former Soviet Union to hurt her parents. As is common around the world there are many parents disappointed with there off springs choices, but the women from Russia show a greater deal of loyalty to there parents. Some how I do not think you are NOT lucky and I would not buy a lottery ticket.

But in another way now the truth comes out. She felt far short of your dream and she would not become your "quiet, cute girl". If you were so morally righteous you would have bailed long ago. In fact and I have written about it on RUA women who are stripped of there dignity . When it was obvious that there issues with a woman who preferred the "easy life" it was "take care and I hope everything works out for you."

Russian women, look deep inside yourself. You are human beings. Let's be honest now, if I wasn't harsh, you would never bother to hear my point. Thanks for reading this.

No, I would look deep inside your self. My opinion you should seek some advice from your confessor or a therapist and share your story with that person. I suspect though you will not like the response.

Responding about the fact that you do not like Don's humour that is a matter of understanding humour and sarcasm. What is odd some of your earlier posts showed a sense of humour now it is replaced with only bitterness and anger. You made a rather humorous comment regarding becoming a Muslim, being called a Yugo and your response. Earlier you could easily admit you were not always right now you claim everyone else is wrong. In your early posts you claimed to be quite the player with the hearts of Russian and Ukraine women. What changed in the three or so years I do not know but it is not pretty, in fact quite sad.

Please seek help

NB: I have stripped your Russian, my Russian is not your level and normally we tend to use English on this thread.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 23, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....

There is an unwritten rule for long distance cross cultural relationship thing. You should never fall in love with some one who you have never met. This holds true for hetro or homo. Whether you pursue write many visit many WMVM or write one visit one WOVO, the rule stays in force. You projected so much fantasy on the woman that it is amazing that she did not contact the authorities.

It is obvious you broke this "rule"
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
AvHdB, you will not excuse Don's "humour" (click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387500#msg387500)). It's discusting. If I wrote that, you would all kill me. This shows what a bunch of hypocrites you are.

Also, they accuse me of "moaning", because they are blind, deaf and dumb to see that I'm just answering questions. Now click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386587#msg386587), read the story and all the subsequent comments and you will find all the answers that interest you. Don't make me answer same things over and over. I'm f. tired of that sh.

The camgirl is not important. I haven't even met her. F. her. The point of this thread is that many young FSUW are corrupted. They are the opposite of that "more family oriented" ideal that many of us are looking for.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: 2tallbill on November 23, 2014, 08:06:39 PM
The point of this thread is that many young FSUW are corrupted. They are the opposite of that "more family oriented" ideal that many of us are looking for.

I would tend to agree that many young FSUW are not suitable for marriage.
In the younger ages there are many party girls, or girls who change their mind
each time the wind changes direction. Also many people look for FSUW in the
wrong places. It's common enough that Kenny Rogers wrote a song about it.
Looking for love in love in all the wrong places.  I know I spent plenty of time
doing that myself.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 09:32:27 PM
The point of this thread is that many young FSUW are corrupted. They are the opposite of that "more family oriented" ideal that many of us are looking for.

I would tend to agree that many young FSUW are not suitable for marriage.
In the younger ages there are many party girls, or girls who change their mind
each time the wind changes direction. Also many people look for FSUW in the
wrong places. It's common enough that Kenny Rogers wrote a song about it.
Looking for love in love in all the wrong places.  I know I spent plenty of time
doing that myself.

Many "mature" women are no better. Even in their 30's many are still unstable. They also sit on those webcam sites or do other kinds of nasty stuff. I can bomb you with examples. And then people say that something is "wrong with me", as if I'm the one who is prostituting himself or playing games with people's feelings, cheating etc. Typical hypocricy that makes every reasonable person puke. No wonder that I react angrily sometimes.

Just look at AvHdB ingenious advices, he should get a Nobel prize. He suggests me to visit a psychitarist or a preacher. As far as I see, it's not me who plays with dildos for old perverts on webcams for money and I don't have shizophrenical changes of my personality (actually I'm quite consistent and persistent with my beliefs, though as all humans, sometimes I do make compromises). Many girls here need a good shrink, not me. Most of the comments are a total perversion of common sense.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 23, 2014, 11:22:29 PM
It's funny that russians themselves discuss prostitution and such social problems, while on this forum you cannot say anything without being attacked from all sides. The white knights and shady western pimps on this forum don't want these subjects to be discussed. They'll put any outspoken dissident in "психушка" (mental institution) just as in the soviet times. Also some ladies get offended that I openly talk about prostitution, as if I offended them personally. I see no sence in that.

The legendary russian bard, poet and actor Vladimir Vysotsky (1938-1980), whom I really adore, wrote many songs about the people from the streets, including criminals, drunks and of course, prostitutes. He wrote and performed in a harsh, street style, just as I do. I'm a sort of "internet Vysotsky", I touch taboo subjects that shouldn't be touched.

This is a song about some small time criminal who fell in love with a girl, but he learned later that she had a dirty secret. She was a prostitute. I'm well versed in russian culture and I've visited Vysotskiy's grave in Vagankovo cemetery in Moscow. The song is from the soviet times when those subjects were not discussed publicly, but still, people talked about them among themselves and many disident artists wrote songs on that subject.

You can read the lyrics in english below the video.


Городской романс
Urban Romance

I happened to be walking around
And I beat two people by chance,
They took me to police grounds
Where I saw her and broke down at once.

I knew not what on earth she was doing there,
She was probably getting a pass.
She was beautiful, lovely and fair.
I decided to search out the lass.

I just followed her, walking behind her,
She wouldn't talk to a bully, I thought.
Then I made up my mind to invite her
To the nearest restaurant. Why not?

As we walked people smiled at my pretty one,
I was furious, my mind on the blink!
I just smote the face of a weird man
'Cause he dared to give her a wink.

She found the caviar delicious,
And I didn't grudge the expense,
I ordered smash hits to musicians,
And the last tune they played was "The Cranes".

I made promises, showing my feeling,
I repeated one thing the whole night:
"For five days I haven't been stealing,
Believe me, my love at first sight."

I said that my life had been ruined,
Blew my nose and wiped tears from my eyes,
And she said: "I believe you, yours truly,
You can take me at a reasonable price."

I slapped her on the face in despair,
I was boiling like crazy inside.
Now I knew what she really was doing there,
In militia, my love at first sight.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 23, 2014, 11:41:35 PM
Just look at AvHdB ingenious advices, he should get a Nobel prize. He suggests me to visit a psychitarist or a preacher. As far as I see, it's not me who plays with dildos for old perverts on webcams for money and I don't have shizophrenical changes of my personality (actually I'm quite consistent and persistent with my beliefs, though as all humans, sometimes I do make compromises). Many girls here need a good shrink, not me. Most of the comments are a total perversion of common sense.

There are none so blind as those who can not see. J. Swift

Ingenious advice does not win Nobel Peace prizes, but please feel free to nominate me.  :laugh:

With your travel expierence in the former Soviet Union why not become a value positive poster? There are numerous threads regarding the cities that you mention visiting that your insights would be helpful. Regarding the fact that you speak Russian and learned on your own some members have tried and would like to hear if you had a system.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 25, 2014, 12:39:10 AM
Just look at this VULGAR MATERIALISM in the video below, that I just uploaded.

This is the russian TV show: "Сто вопросов к взрослому" (100 Questions to an Adult), where young kids from the audience ask famous people questions. Guests in this show can be famous artists, scientists, politicians etc. I expected that this is a show with an educational character and that the famous guests will teach the youngsters how to work hard to achieve success, but look what happened:

In this episode, the guest was the controversial russian politician Vladimir Zhirinovski. One of the questions that kids asked him was: "How much money do you have right now in your wallet?". He answered: "If you guess the amount, then you will get them all". Kids went crazy for money and started to guess loudly, like: "give it to me, no give it to me"! And then he really shared all the money among them. Total chaos started, kids jumped on the stage, pushed eachother like idiots to get their share of the money. This was one of the tastless things I've seen in my life.

What do you expect from these kids when they grow up if they have such upbringing? No wonder that there are many girls who would sell their own dignity! You don't have to be a puritan to say that this is corrupting of minors! Kids should be taught that you make money with hard and honest work and you must not humiliate yourself!

But look at this! This lunatic is like "throwing money into their faces" like some perverted "Santa Claus". Who's your daddy kids, who's your daddy? Yeah, love me, love me, daddy will give you lot's of dengii! And he throws them around!

Then the host of the show joined the program (you can't see him, but you hear his voice). He said that this scene reminds him of the Mikhail Bulgakov's novel "The Master and Margarita". In that legendary book, there's a similar scene, which takes place in the "Variety Theatre", where the magician Woland (Satan in disguise) tests the people's greed by making a "money rain". Huge amount of banknotes falls on the audience. People lose their mind, they start to greedily grab the money, pushing and fighting eachother like animals. After getting all the money, people realize that they're actually fake.

Zhirinovski replied to the host of the show that the money he just gave are 100% real and that his entourage will bring even more for those kids who couldn't manage to take any.

This is vulgar! It makes me puke! I mean there are discusting things in my country, I admit, I criticise them, too! There are discusting things in the US, in Europe and everywhere in the world, but this is intolerable! If I was a parent of some of these kids I would react harshly!

Bulgakov was a genius. And Visotsky also (whose song I posted previously, check it out if you missed it). Artists like them openly talked about the dark sides of the russian society, just as I do on this forum, and they often faced problems because of their outspokeness. And after all this, some people dare to tell ME that I have a bad taste and no manners? I bet that there will be lots of forumers who will now attack me and try to justify this insanity. Just watch the video below:

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: ECR844 on November 25, 2014, 01:53:32 AM
Whhhhaaattt?.....no.....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on November 25, 2014, 02:17:01 AM
I've only got one thing to say:  "longingforthesouth" -- you are by far the biggest loser to ever disgrace the pages of this forum.  You've surpassed that idiot from the Caribbean even.  Carry on with your sour grapes.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on November 25, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....

If you think going on a webcam or stripping, to earn money, is the same as a ladyboy ... you might be a moron LFTS

ltfs conflated this stuff because for him they are all the same. Kinda like some remote societies whose language has no concept of large numbers,  they count 1,2,3,many. No difference between 4 and 400.

Our hero has issues with sex and sexuality and thus for him anything concerned with sex is 'many' it is dirty and repugnant. For him homosexual sex is the same,  and equally repugnant as a gentle act of heterosexual voyeurism.

My guess is that ltfs finds this very confusing because he does not understand his reactions to sex. Imagine,  if you will,  being a normally heterosexual person who is unable to discern any difference between his reaction to a male encounter or a female encounter. He knows because he has been taught so that heterosexual activity is normal,  OK,  but homosexuality is not. But he feels revulsion toward both types of encounter.

Can you imagine the poor guy's confusion and misdirected anger?

Just look at the effort ltfs is going to in order to create scenarios that enable him to rationalise his anger. Imagine the effort required to rationalise how he can be the only normal man in a world of perversion and madness. Poor guy is under huge stress and something will break if it has not already done so.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 25, 2014, 04:55:41 AM

If you think going on a webcam or stripping, to earn money, is the same as a ladyboy ... you might be a moron LFTS

ltfs conflated this stuff because for him they are all the same. Kinda like some remote societies whose language has no concept of large numbers,  they count 1,2,3,many. No difference between 4 and 400.

Our hero has issues with sex and sexuality and thus for him anything concerned with sex is 'many' it is dirty and repugnant. For him homosexual sex is the same,  and equally repugnant as a gentle act of heterosexual voyeurism.

My guess is that ltfs finds this very confusing because he does not understand his reactions to sex. Imagine,  if you will,  being a normally heterosexual person who is unable to discern any difference between his reaction to a male encounter or a female encounter. He knows because he has been taught so that heterosexual activity is normal,  OK,  but homosexuality is not. But he feels revulsion toward both types of encounter.

Can you imagine the poor guy's confusion and misdirected anger?

Just look at the effort ltfs is going to in order to create scenarios that enable him to rationalise his anger. Imagine the effort required to rationalise how he can be the only normal man in a world of perversion and madness. Poor guy is under huge stress and something will break if it has not already done so.

Unfortunately for our Everyready bunny* this will be whoooosh (imagine sound of a  :plane: flying overhead) but there will be a reply. Longing for the South has an intelligence but it is so misdirected that he is killing himself in his own bile. Sad and pathetic.

*pun intended
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 25, 2014, 05:02:24 AM
Bulgakov was a genius.

As was Balzac (married in what is now Ukraine), Mark Twain or if you prefer Samuel Clemens and Charles Dickens. Perhaps though the writer known as Joseph Conrad also in fact born in present day Ukraine who understood depravity better than most. In different ways they depicted the less pleasant traits of humanity. Why do keep on echoing them?

Please let go and move on.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 25, 2014, 08:50:52 AM
Andrewfi giving lessons about sex... Do you have sexual life and why not? I'd write here that phrase: "Look yourself in the mirror", but no, Andrew, please don't.

Everything you always wanted to know about (my views on) sex, but were afraid to ask (I'm paraphrasing Woody Allen), I have already wrote to you, but you haven't even bother to read it: click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387077#msg387077), here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386973#msg386973), here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387525#msg387525), here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387388#msg387388) or here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387502#msg387502).

Anteros, when I attack someone, I do it for a reason and I always elaborate it. I've never drew the first blood. Why do you do it?

And why "sour grapes"? Are you refering to the girl we discussed? I've never wanted a prostitute, stripper or a camgirl. Read the previous posts to understand.

AvHdB, why I keep on echoing them? Because that's what I'm interested about.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on November 25, 2014, 09:34:52 AM
Quote
What Annushka is politely saying and what you do not or will not comprehend is that everyone finds there own level in society. Based on your responses and your sordid tale I fear it will not be very high.

Oh, these hot guys from the Balkans! Gypsy passion!!! :chuckle:
The man took his own genitals after an argument with his girlfriend.
22-year-old Oliver Ilic cut off his penis after a friend told him that he was not too good in bed and threw it. Upset man took his own genitals and threw it in the trash. However, heavy bleeding forced him to call a doctor, who took him to the hospital.

The incident occurred in the eastern Macedonian town of Kocani. Police searched his home and found the severed genital organ in the bin. Surgeons decided to return the body of a man, but local doctors did not have the necessary equipment and expertise to these operations, so it is transported to the capital, Skopje, where specialists have all the necessary surgical steps. The operation took about five hours.

However, doctors believe that it is too early to speak about full success, as they can not guarantee that the body will function properly again.

This is the second such case in Macedonia. Recently, 40-year-old man also cut off his penis and then washed it down the toilet.

http://therussiantimes.com/news/13177.html (http://therussiantimes.com/news/13177.html)

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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 25, 2014, 09:58:09 AM

Oh, these hot guys from the Balkans! Gypsy passion!!! :chuckle:


Bringing Roma people to all of this is totally uncalled for imho. They have enough problems and are being discriminated as it is, leave them alone.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on November 25, 2014, 11:09:18 AM

Oh, these hot guys from the Balkans! Gypsy passion!!! :chuckle:


Bringing Roma people to all of this is totally uncalled for imho. They have enough problems and are being discriminated as it is, leave them alone.

That's true.
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.
Even more respect I have to a guy who opens his heart to the forum....
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 25, 2014, 12:37:31 PM
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.

Well said, Orchid! Me too.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Annushka on November 25, 2014, 12:46:02 PM
Hot men of Balkan Slavic girls are very fond of. It's in their genes.

Quote
Analyzing the degree of recombination regions of the genome, the authors found that the ancestors of the Roma left northwest India around fifteen hundred years ago and appeared in the Balkans about 900 years ago.

http://shano.diary.ru/p183300459.htm?oam (http://shano.diary.ru/p183300459.htm?oam)

Stalking their attention and went I felt the 80-ies of the last century, when traveling to the Balkans. Love, I want to live in the USSR.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3T6JAcCUAEe1TD.jpg)

In this century, history repeated itself with my niece. A slightly different interpretation: love, I want to live in Russia! And then we have in Russia is not our native refugees FSUW.  :chuckle: That for a roof over your head and registration Russian lick lovely woman from head to toe! Exclusively with love!  :ROFL:

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This is the story of life. In my memory, a different story from the Internet. LL on blogs, where I supported women from the former Soviet republics emerged male profile with the theme: "The Bulgarian prostitutes." All the girls FSUW stood up for  Bulgarian women (female solidarity). Of course, the flow of mud poured on their heads innocent.
And then we have in Russia is not our native male refugees.  ;D
That for a roof over your head and registration Russian lick lovely woman from head to toe! Exclusively with love! :-*
Came out of the topic. I do not like slurp "shit". tiphat
Bye-Bye / Пока-Пока!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Orchid on November 25, 2014, 12:54:37 PM
God forbid, I do not know what to answer.....
Annushka, do you know a recipe to pickle severed penises?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 25, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Volshe, actually, it's not bad that someone brought gypsies to this conversation. Or Roma people as they call themselves. Here's the internationally acclaimed macedonian DJ Kiril Dzajkovski feat. some gypsy brass band & drum'n'bass beats. Play it loud.


A little bit of relaxation never killed anyone
(well... except when the balkanians shoot in the air at weddings...  :eeekk:).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 25, 2014, 01:55:00 PM
God forbid, I do not know what to answer.....
Neither do i... I detest generalizations and biases, and in particular when those generate more prejudices against the ethnic minorities who have suffered throughout history. (Which was basically the point of my previous post.) But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not  ??? No comment.


A little bit of relaxation never killed anyone
(well... except when the balkanians shoot in the air at weddings...  :eeekk:).

Yep, we do, at weddings, when children are born and a day before Christian Orthodox Christmas too.
Anyway, I don't know about Macedonian language, but over here it's "Roma people" or "Romani", the other names are considered derogatory.
I'd suggest an another song, ( which i believe you too know well), to be played loud - Romani anthem, composed by a Romani Holocaust survivor, Zharko Jovanovic:

Open, God, White doors
You can see where are my people.
Come back to tour the roads
And walk with happy Romani
O Roma, O Romani youths!


Here, sung by the famous Macedonian Romani, Esma Regepova (video is from Russian movie, Tabor uhodit v nebo) :

I hope that at least we in Balkans learned the tolerance lesson, we should be the first to stand up for everyone else... unless all those wars and bloodshed were in vain (which i am certain is not the case.)

ETA: not sure how to insert the video, but it's here on youtube
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 25, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Annushka, do you know a recipe to pickle severed penises?

I think like Kapusta. Vinegar, water, some onions, and a heavy weight........
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 26, 2014, 03:03:14 AM
But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not  ???

Volshe, I never generalized that "all ru women are bad". I've nothing against them, we share many common things. I'm just not happy with some bad things that happen there. Also, I'm well versed in their culture and language (I've learned by myself). I even explained Annushka my thoughts (click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387525#msg387525)), but I guess her english is not so good (mine is no better).

But to put all FSUW on a pedestal would mean positive generalization, and that's wrong. Always blaming men is wrong, too. I'm not guilty for all the evils on this planet. And the other guys here are not SO flawless, righteous and virtuous. Many proved to be questionable and shady characters who don't care much about ethics, responsibility and common sence.

Speaking of this weird story about a guy who cut his .... Hehe, I don't take it as a personal insult. I didn't even react to it. Btw there're worse things in my country (e.g. politicians and so on).
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 26, 2014, 04:19:18 AM
But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not  ???

Volshe, I never generalized that "all ru women are bad". I've nothing against them, we share many common things. I'm just not happy with some bad things that happen there. Also, I'm well versed in their culture and language (I've learned by myself). I even explained Annushka my thoughts (click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387525#msg387525)), but I guess her english is not so good (mine is no better).

But to put all FSUW on a pedestal would mean positive generalization, and that's wrong. Always blaming men is wrong, too. I'm not guilty for all the evils on this planet. And the other guys here are not SO flawless, righteous and virtuous. Many proved to be questionable and shady characters who don't care much about ethics, responsibility and common sence.

Speaking of this weird story about a guy who cut his .... Hehe, I don't take it as a personal insult. I didn't even react to it. Btw there're worse things in my country (e.g. politicians and so on).

T'ga za jug, sorry, my post wasn't directed at you, but was a reply to Annushka's rant about Bulgarian women.

As per your posts, as your sort-of countrymate, i get it that you had very strong feelings for that girl and that you are really hurt, that's what i think. Your English is great for someone coming from our parts (given that our maternal tongues have nothing to do with it.)
Also, i believe you are quite young, many of us here are probably twice, if not more, older than you, so we sort of know human nature, irrelevant of nationality.
You do know that in Balkans we consider Russians our historical allies, right? The Western guys here have an appreciation for Russian culture and people that's really moving. We need positive emotions in this world and we all need people who feel other cultures as friendly and inviting, not as a threat. Mind you, besides Orchid and myself who post in your thread, you have half of the forum's guys here being concerned about your emotions and thoughts... it's Thanksgiving, i think we should be thankful that people care.   :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 26, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.

Well said, Orchid! Me too.

Well not sure I would cut of my Willy (have to first find it)  :ROFL: But I understand the sentiment.

But seriously our hero paints with so broad a brush that condemns the majority of women from the former Soviet Union. The problem is he can to paraphrase 'not see the beam in his own eye and goes about pulling splinters from others eyes.' It is from the Bible.

While Volshe may be correct based on previous posts Longing for the South I guess should be between the age of 35 to perhaps 45. But it does not really matter if he is 22 or 66 he should try to find some one who can hear him directly and ask him difficult questions. He certainly does not hear or refuses to understand what we can 'see' and read.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 26, 2014, 01:47:32 PM
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.

Well said, Orchid! Me too.

Well not sure I would cut of my Willy (have to first find it)  :ROFL: But I understand the sentiment.

 Av, dear, don't be silly pls   ;D

While Volshe may be correct based on previous posts Longing for the South I guess should be between the age of 35 to perhaps 45. But it does not really matter if he is 22 or 66 he should try to find some one who can hear him directly and ask him difficult questions. He certainly does not hear or refuses to understand what we can 'see' and read.
Av, i did think of LFTS as of, if not late teen, then maybe (very) early twenties. It makes difference to me, because i understand it when someone that young gets very emotional and, like, looses their cool; 35-45 is my own age range and there is all another set of expectations (not by me only, but by the society in general, right?)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: sparky114 on November 27, 2014, 02:20:31 AM
Annushka, do you know a recipe to pickle severed penises?

I think like Kapusta. Vinegar, water, some onions, and a heavy weight........


Ok cleaning up my tea from the laptop  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 27, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
AvHdB, why I keep on echoing them? Because that's what I'm interested about.

Longing for the South, perhaps it is time to move on, I have a life. Perhaps it is time for you to seek the same.

The readers here have life's.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 27, 2014, 05:34:35 PM
Volshe, no, it's not so banal like: "this guy was rejected and now he's bitching". I've started this thread long before I even met this girl online. She is not an isolated case, but one of the milions. Feel free to review this thread from the very start by clicking here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180). Also, 3 years ago I was talking about these problems in another thread.

Many FSUW on the dating sites are not serious.  They have a right to do whatever they want in their lives, but playing games with single men is not right. Many are just killing time on the dating sites and are not actually looking for anyone; many cheat on their local boyfriends (which can be checked on the social networks); many don't want to commit, but prefer to be independent; some are confused; some have unrealistic expectations; some are hypocritical and have double lives (e.g. prostitutes,strippers); some don't mention that they have kids etc. Some are materialists, but the worst are those who don't know what they want.

Not only very young women do this (e.g. student age), but many even in their early 30's. This is an antipode to the "more family oriented" ideal that was so heavily advertised by the dating business. Many of us were looking for that ideal. By talking about these problems openly, we may save many foreign men from trouble. Many foreign men still believe in that "social construct" (as you properly called it) that the FSUW are radically different than their western counterparts. No, they're not. Sure, there are some wonderful exceptions, but they are not called exceptions for nothing. And ussually they prefer locals and many are happily married or taken by locals, who are not all raging alcoholics (the dating industry claimed that "there are no quality men in the FSU", which is not true).

The goal of this thread was to crush all those myths.

AvHdB, I don't see why there shouldn't be just one thread, which will discuss the negative things about the FSU dating? It may give people realistic info. You surely noticed that I'm not going through the other threads to comment on things that I don't know nothing about and I'm not telling people to shut up (like you are telling me). They have a right to express their opinions. Yes, I have a life, I'm working, studying and doing many other useful things, don't worry. If you dislike my writings so much, then you can express your disagreement (which you already do) or simply, don't read them. What kind of masochism is that to read things that you dislike so much? You have plenty of choice.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 28, 2014, 02:00:48 AM
They have a right to do whatever they want in their lives, but playing games with single men is not right.

Quite a contradiction in the same sentence.

Many are just killing time on the dating sites and are not actually looking for anyone; many cheat on their local boyfriends (which can be checked on the social networks); many don't want to commit, but prefer to be independent; some are confused; some have unrealistic expectations; some are hypocritical and have double lives (e.g. prostitutes,strippers); some don't mention that they have kids etc. Some are materialists, but the worst are those who don't know what they want.

Like many women anywhere then. You forgot the group who are nice, are serious and don't play silly games. FSU women are not a specific breed. They don't come with kennel club papers or guarantees. People there differ from one end of the spectrum to the other. Just like anywhere.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 28, 2014, 02:40:14 AM
Volshe, no, it's not so banal like: "this guy was rejected and now he's bitching". I've started this thread long before I even met this girl online. She is not an isolated case, but one of the milions. Feel free to review this thread from the very start by clicking here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180). Also, 3 years ago I was talking about these problems in another thread.

Many FSUW on the dating sites are not serious.  They have a right to do whatever they want in their lives, but playing games with single men is not right. Many are just killing time on the dating sites and are not actually looking for anyone; many cheat on their local boyfriends (which can be checked on the social networks); many don't want to commit, but prefer to be independent; some are confused; some have unrealistic expectations; some are hypocritical and have double lives (e.g. prostitutes,strippers); some don't mention that they have kids etc. Some are materialists, but the worst are those who don't know what they want.

Not only very young women do this (e.g. student age), but many even in their early 30's. This is an antipode to the "more family oriented" ideal that was so heavily advertised by the dating business. Many of us were looking for that ideal. By talking about these problems openly, we may save many foreign men from trouble. Many foreign men still believe in that "social construct" (as you properly called it) that the FSUW are radically different than their western counterparts. No, they're not. Sure, there are some wonderful exceptions, but they are not called exceptions for nothing. And ussually they prefer locals and many are happily married or taken by locals, who are not all raging alcoholics (the dating industry claimed that "there are no quality men in the FSU", which is not true).

The goal of this thread was to crush all those myths.


Sweetie, the only myth i see crashing so far, thanks to this thread, is the one i was shoved down my throat since i can remember myself: that i have to get myself a Macedonian husband  ;D
Btw, we discussed as of yesterday that indeed it's not true that "there are no quality men in the FSU", of course there are,
but it's tough for many of us who prefer NOT to date our own, to admit so (especially if your culture and society insists that you do so), hence the rationalizations: something is wrong with women somewhere, something else is wrong with men somewhere else... Mostly nothing is wrong with anyone anywhere, it's that some of us enjoy the cultural diversity and prefer our partners to be from somewhere else.
That being said, generally, young girls in FSU are indeed more marriage oriented than elsewhere, that i can say from what i witnessed in my 4y in a Moscow university. Even here, where i am, in Balkans, you won't find many 22 and 23y old who are seriously considering marriage, especially not in academia.
Lo and behold, out of hundreds of girls i spoke to in Moscow (which is credited to be most westernized) only one considered early twenties too young to marry. (I do though and hope that changes, i must admit, i think those are atavism of the past when people didn't live that long, women didn't look great in their 30irs and 40ies and when one's choices of partners was narrowed down to their intermediate surroundings, i don't see a reason for a girl to marry that young in modern times.)
So, i reckon, instead of hanging out at the usual sites, maybe you should get  your excellent knowledge of Russian certified, which is, enroll a language course in some accredited University in mother Russia ? ;)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 28, 2014, 04:07:54 AM
Volshe, most young FSUW are not dying to get married at 20 and something and to make borsch and babies, this is not true. Sorry. Once you admitted that it's mostly a "social construct", but now you are denying your own words.

I don't know when you were studying in Moscow, but times are changing radically. Trends change, the ru economy changes, everything changes, it's globalization, westernization. There's no huge difference between youngsters around the world.

Also, you are a lady and you are not searching for a FSUW (unless you are interested in girls, which I doubt), so I don't think that you are following all the recent developments and trends in the FSU dating scene. You don't see on your computer screen what I see.

I elaborated everything in detail, feel free to review this thread from it's first post (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180), no need for me to repeat myself. To say that all that I wrote is just (excuse my language) BS, is not right. Please read it first and then comment. I took my time to elaborate everything as if it's a "doctoral thesis" as I jokingly called it. It includes elements of sociology, psychology and other fields. It's not just bunch of "bitching and moaning of some guy who got rejected".

Your suggestion about moving to work or study in the FSU just to find a partner is too much. The whole point of this FSU dating thing was that it can be made online and that "there're milions of young FSUW willing to marry and to relocate". But in reality, things are not so simple. Maybe there was some truth in that like 10-15-20 years ago, but the percent of women willing to relocate was small then, now it's even smaller.

Manny, it's not a contradiction. Everyone should have as much freedom as he or she wants as long as he or she doesn't hurt someone else's freedom. These women can do whatever they want: they can have fun, careers, they can do drugs, shoot themselves in the head, jump from a building, I don't care. But they don't have a right to play with other people's feelings. It's wrong.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 28, 2014, 07:44:45 AM
Volshe, most young FSUW are not dying to get married at 20 and something and to make borsch and babies, this is not true. Sorry. Once you admitted that it's mostly a "social construct", but now you are denying your own words.

I don't know when you were studying in Moscow, but times are changing radically. Trends change, the ru economy changes, everything changes, it's globalization, westernization. There's no huge difference between youngsters around the world.

Also, you are a lady and you are not searching for a FSUW (unless you are interested in girls, which I doubt), so I don't think that you are following all the recent developments and trends in the FSU dating scene. You don't see on your computer screen what I see.

I elaborated everything in detail, feel free to review this thread from it's first post (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180), no need for me to repeat myself. To say that all that I wrote is just (excuse my language) BS, is not right. Please read it first and then comment. I took my time to elaborate everything as if it's a "doctoral thesis" as I jokingly called it. It includes elements of sociology, psychology and other fields. It's not just bunch of "bitching and moaning of some guy who got rejected".

Your suggestion about moving to work or study in the FSU just to find a partner is too much. The whole point of this FSU dating thing was that it can be made online and that "there're milions of young FSUW willing to marry and to relocate". But in reality, things are not so simple. Maybe there was some truth in that like 10-15-20 years ago, but the percent of women willing to relocate was small then, now it's even smaller.


T'ga, dear, you hear the difference between:
generally, young girls in FSU are indeed more marriage oriented than elsewhere
and
most young FSUW are not dying to get married at 20

i haven't spoken your language in ages, but i'll try (and sorry for the phonetic spelling):

povek'eto mladi zheni tamu bi saakali da se omazhat

versus
devojcheta umraat da se omazhat na 20 godini

I respect everyone's opinion, in sense that two or more people can witness an identical situation, but they might perceive it in different ways according to their own 'lenses' through which they interpret the objective reality (and those consist of genetic distortions among else).
I came back from Moscow 1.5 month ago, i do doubt much changed meanwhile.
"The whole point of this FSU dating thing was that it can be made online " - yep, and most of the guys most of the times are more than happy with the partners they met online; you are not, yet it seems you are fixed on having a SO from there, hence my suggestion. Get it? Me razbiras?
Other than that, keep posting & have a great weekend  :KISSSS:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on November 28, 2014, 10:42:24 AM
Volshe, it's not nice to comment without reading the topic first. I gave you a link (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180) and I asked you politely to read it. There, I have elaborated my point of view in detail.

The fact that you have been in Moscow 1.5 month ago doesn't mean much. You are a lady, you are not looking for a FSU girlfriend, so you are not facing the problems that we, single men, are facing.

I've been in this game for like 10 yrs, 4 of which I spent in a relationship with a wonderful ru girl. I thought that all fsuw are like her, but after we broke up, I learned that she was an exception, not the norm. Afterwards, I had several shorter relationships with beautiful fsu girls, but they were not serious.

Some don't know what they want; some just wanted adventures and got them; some are cheating on their bf's; some pretend to be angels while they are prostituting themselves; some are career oriented; some are serious, but they preffer local men. And so on... Depends on the case.

Also, the dating scene is not static. Ru economy improved and foreigners are no longer fashionable, the technology changed, the trends also, feminist ideas are getting stronger etc. All this influences the dating scene.

I know what am I talking about. I went through these things myself and I will not spit on my experiences.

And no, most of the guys are not happy with the girls they met online. The number of succesful cases is pathetic. We have discussed how many forumers married young FSUW in the recent few years and there were only 5-6 reported cases. The number of unsuccesful cases are like gazillion. No, Volshe, there are no 1000's of happy young couples, while "only this Longing guy is bitching". You got it all wrong.

You are relatively new to this forum and you don't know that we discussed all these things already. Yeah, we argued a lot, but at least we have reached a consensus on one thing: the FSU dating is NOT going well. Even some people who earn their bread from the dating business admitted that.

Now I really feel stupid that I have to repeat same things over and over. This wouldn't be necesary if you read the previous posts from the very beginning. There you can find all the answers.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Volshe on November 28, 2014, 01:27:29 PM
You are a lady, you are not looking for a FSU girlfriend, so you are not facing the problems that we, single men, are facing.
True too.

Now I really feel stupid that I have to repeat same things over and over. This wouldn't be necesary if you read the previous posts from the very beginning. There you can find all the answers.
I read your posts, i think that everyone who replied did, because the replies are on topic, no? I think most tried to point out some other approaches and other points of view. What is the exact situation on the FSU online dating scene, that i don't know and i doubt there are credible surveys. But let us presume that you proved your point, for yourself you are right, so what now? Let's assume that indeed the girls you meet as of lately are downright исчадия ада, they get presented otherwise for one reason or another, for commercial or other reasons. So what?
That some agencies are guilty of unfair practices is nothing new, neither is new the constatation that people in general are not angels (angels are supposed to be in heaven, not on dating sites.)
Is it new to you that there are gullible people who buy into various online scams? What's the point of this thread? To raise awareness that a Nigerian scammer is not really honest when he offers you to make 1000000 usd overnight just like that or you are trying to prove that a guy who thinks that there are millions of 20y old drop-dead models in FSU dying to marry just about anyone, regardless of their age, looks and social standing, with an exclusive mission to become a baby&borcsh factory? Don't you think that anyone who'd believe in this is delusional anyway and all your Messianic attempts won't save them for their condition requires professional psychiatric help?
But, of course, if you believe that you are saving the world, then more power to you, my friend  :)
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Slumba on November 28, 2014, 01:32:45 PM
Being prolix , self-righteous, and self-aggrandizing is no way to go through life.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on November 28, 2014, 02:40:19 PM
a guy who thinks that there are millions of 20y old drop-dead models in FSU dying to marry just about anyone, regardless of their age, looks and social standing, with an exclusive mission to become a baby & borcsh factory?

That is the funniest quote I have read here in ages.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on November 29, 2014, 08:28:09 AM
Being prolix , self-righteous, and self-aggrandizing is no way to go through life.

a guy who thinks that there are millions of 20y old drop-dead models in FSU dying to marry just about anyone, regardless of their age, looks and social standing, with an exclusive mission to become a baby & borcsh factory?

That is the funniest quote I have read here in ages.  :ROFL:

I chuckled at Miss V's comment but for me Slumba's note is noteworthy.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TimeZoneJumper on January 27, 2015, 01:31:17 PM
After reading this long thread it appears that the OP is not the greatest authority to make such sweeping negative generalizations about women, not only in the FSU, but anywhere.

Dude, it's obvious that much of your experience was with 18-20 year olds.  Anyone that is spending much time working on that age group is dealing with GIRLS and not WOMEN.  There is a huge difference in ANY part of the world.

Your observations are also from YOUR point of view.  Most of it comes across as simply being BITTER as someone that has dealt with nothing but REJECTION.  If you aren't good with women in general, you aren't going to be good with women in FSU.  Your comments like it's so easy to have sexy time with women in your own country with no strings attached is clearly a psychological projection of yourself that you can barely get laid anywhere so you're bashing FSU women by trying to say the women in your own country are much easier to have success with -- yet the irony that you've spent over 10 years trying to land a woman elsewhere.

So in conclusion you are actually RIGHT.  Most FSU women DON'T want to be with you.  But that has very little to do with them wanting or not wanting to be with another foreign guy.

In the end it all comes down to if the woman chooses YOU (or anyone else).  Many FSU women WILL choose great, foreign guys to be with.  But if you have very little to offer her (except just trying to get laid and not dealing well with women) it's no wonder you have failed.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: PBRstreetg on January 27, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
This is a very long thread, and has been hit more times than Rosie and Madonna combined, but I'd just like to +1 TimeZoneJumper

Good post)  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on January 27, 2015, 05:18:55 PM
... Most FSU women DON'T want to be with you.  But that has very little to do with them wanting or not wanting to be with another foreign guy.

Yep, we covered that but it didn't sink in.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 22, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
I was very busy all these months (I'm not a virtual character like you guys, I have many real life things to do). Summer has arrived, I have some free time, so I decided to check what is happening on the dating sites and to write a longer review to compensate for my absence. And to irritate you a little bit, of course. I'd like to be always in touch with the latest developments, unlike some of you, who think that the dating scene is the same as it was circa 1895. Things get worse and worse and soon they will hit the bottom. Believe me, I'm not happy about this.

First about sites aimed at WM. I decided to check Elena's Models. I stumbled across a CONFIRMED PROFILE with fake low-res photos of an attractive blonde, taken from a german erotic website (Google Image Search is your friend). Plus, in that profile there is a VERIFICATION PHOTO of some ugly old woman holding a sign with her ID written on it, like: "Here, you see that I'm real!". But this is a completely different woman to that on the other photos! Man, I was shocked and I wrote to the moderator. Their prices on EM are so high (130$ minimum) and they are charging an extra 50$ per profile to check a woman if she's "real" and look what they're doing! I saved that "confirmed profile" on my PC in case they delete it. It's a disaster.

I was also curious to see the men on EM and to compare myself with them. You can check men's profiles when you are unlogged. I choosed my age and I saw so many unattractive men! Comparing to them I'm like James Dean. I'm exagerating, of course, but really, this was scary! I saw people of my age who look like let's say Michael Moore, neglected, with just a couple of bad webcam shots and they seem to be not in an enviable financial situation. And then I'm a loser? Sure. Gimme a break. It's not nice that I judge people like that, but then you are judging and insulting me without knowing much about me.

Now you'll say that I'm always negative, so I'll say something nice for a change. Comparing to the russian language dating sites like Loveplanet.ru or Mamba,ru, I admit that most of the profiles on EM seem to be real and serious. However:  I cannot be sure litteraly about all the women and also, the number of young women is small and they are much less atractive in comparison to what we could see on let's say Lucky Lovers about 5-10 years ago. The majority on EM now is old and unattractive. Many of the women are in fact average, outright ugly, overweight or (don't kill me for this) they have obvious signs of early aging (as early as late 20's and early 30's). No photoshop will hide that. I'm not saying this to insult someone, it's just I'm not used to this. Here where I live people look younger. Also, there are some profiles of cute young women who seem to have some physical issues and it seems that somehow they're trying to hide them (some take photos from certain angles or something). Perhaps if there's a doctor on the forum, he or she can check them, I'll send links. Each of us has some flaws, no one is perfect, but I'm worried that this is something serious. Sure, there are nice exceptions on EM, but never forget that there're milions of lonely WM, so you can just imagine how much messages the attractive women receive. Your message will be like a drop in the ocean and it may not even be read. The choice of quality women is too small and the competition is too big.

Now, I tried advanced search on EM to see what it offers to young customers: age from 18 to 35 and active on the site in the last 7 days. I got 1400 profiles of women (7 pages set to display 200 results on each). This is ridiculous. 1400 people is a street in Moscow. And here we are talking about FSU which has like 300 milion of inhabitants (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Baltics etc.). Also, there's a large number of women who haven't logged in for ages and their profiles are still on the site as if they're "available" (Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle).

Finally, after you filter out: all the unattractive women; the too attractive ones; the fakes; and the ones who seem not serious; then you will end with just 2-3 contacts (realistically chosen with decent looks and clever profiles). The gold option on EM includes 50 contacts, but I could never be able to use all of them. There are no enough women for my taste to fill the whole list. So to all the younger newbies: for you this will be a waste of money. You won't get the long-legged blondes from the ads. It's all a false advertisement. For the middle aged gentlemen who are willing to marry a 60 year old single mothers, maybe it's good. Make a trial account and check it out, there are many such women.

My first correspondence on EM was an immediate failure, though I didn't do absolutely nothing wrong. In this sea of unattractive girls, I somehow managed to dig out one decently looking, who shares my interests. Of course, she's not one of those supermodels, but an arty type, mid-20's. I got a reply. I was pleasantly surprised, but when I opened it, it says: she's glad that I wrote her and that I speak russian, BUT "we can be friends only", because "she has a problem with my age". But I'm just little bit older than her upper limit. She tolerates quite a big age difference, why she wouldnt tolerate just a little bit more? We will now waste time with algebra? Is there a real difference between a person who is for example 36 and a person who is 38? This is totally childish. Many of the young women on the site are obviously not looking for anything serious, but of course, I can't put all of them in a same basket. Some people claim that some women pose there as singles and get money for that, but I dunno.

Then I thought that I should not be a Balkanian caveman, so I just kindly thanked the girl for her (to be honest to you, pointless) reply and I expressed my curiousity: why she has such prejudices about age? I mean she's an arty type, not some superficial one. Is 2-3 years plus or minus SO scary? Is she interested in the man's inner world or just about some digits in his documents? We began to talk.

Among other things, I jokingly asked her, what if Mick Jagger wrote her? He's 71. Or how about Brad Pitt, who is 51? Would she reject such stars because they are old?  :)) She also replied jokingly, but still saying that I can only be her penpal. I told her politely, that I am sorry, but this is not Vkontakte or Odnoklassniki and I wouldn't like to be someone's "gay friend". Also, I added that I'm hanging with young people on everyday basis. Beside working, I'm also parallely studying with students who are much younger than her, like: 18, 19 or 20, and none of them has a problem with my age. They accept me as one of them, we work together, we go to parties, we play in rock bands etc. Age was never (or rarelly) an issue in my communication with other people, including girls. I have told you guys on numerous occassions that I have had my share of attractive young FSUW. After making this point of mine, I told the girl that probably not the age is the problem, maybe I'm just not her type. No hard feelings on my part - I wrote her.

But still, as Tom once adviced me on this forum, I told her that if she changes her mind, my door will still be opened for her. I added that who knows, maybe one day in the future we will meet, have a coffee on Old Arbat Street in Moscow and we'll see where it leads. Of course, Tom's advices proved to be worthless and totally out of touch with the reallity. Instead of a polite end of the communication, that young woman wrote me something cynical like: "If you hang out with so much younger people and if you had so young girlfriends, that makes me think that maybe you have problems with the law" (as in: you're a pedophile). I felt insulted. There was absolutely no reason for this. As I repeat over and over on this forum, many FSUW are spoiled, bitchy, uncapable of normal communication, let alone a relationship. Marriage? Moreover with a foreigner? Gimme a break.

This was totally unnecesary and I had an urge to send her to h**, but I decided to be polite till the end. I wrote her that of course I'm not a pedophile, there's no need for such insults and that I'm looking for a young, but intellectually mature woman, however, unfortunatelly, I cannot find such on this site (meaning: "you are not intellectually mature" - if she has brains to decipher that). Then I adviced her to think about what she does. I asked her: what if you find a cool guy close to your age, but he's a total idiot? What if one day he dumps you with kids? I told her that I'm well aware about this harsh reality in Russia. There're milions of young single mothers over there, the number of divorces is huge! Instead of choosing a nice and stable man (like me, for example), many young FSUW choose some local "крутые пацаны" (bad guys) who just bang them and kick them in the a$$ out on the street with their kids. It's not funny, it's sad. In the end, I told her that she'd better choose a good man, even if he's not perfect and even if he's 2-3 years older than her upper limit. Then I wished her all the best. She read the message (it shows "read") and there're no further replies. Of course, she has nothing to reply anymore. She wanted to play tough, she got what she asked for.

Then I intentionally decided to write to one quite unattractive girl, on the verge of ugly. She has some very ugly "hipster" glasses with thick black frames, then eyebrows like a mountain brigant from Abkhazia and clothes like from soviet department store circa 1977. Shortly, she looks like a male version of Elvis Costello (I like his music, but he's ugly). She has only two pics: on the first you can see her deadly cold and not-so-cute face and the other pic is showing half of her (?), which probably means that she's hiding something. Needles to say, this "Miss Universe" not only didn't reply, but she even deleted my message (the site shows that). So much for "making a realistic choice".

I wrote to just one more girl, but I doubt that it will lead somewhere. She doesn't mention any marriage in her profile, just relationship and she looks like someone who is fond of travelling, outdoors, backpacking etc. I guess she's looking for someone to travel with and I doubt that she wants to commit seriously. I know these types, I met many in the FSU ( I don't know why, but two happened to be from Krasnodar, maybe it's the water? :) They cannot stay in one place, they have "worms in their a$$es" as my people say. They often change places of living, they jump from a city to a city, from university to a university, from a job to a job, from a boyfriend to another boyfriend. They don't mind living for a certain time with someone abroad, but they cannot settle permanently. They're like the wind and very independent-minded. Cooking, babies, more family oriented? My a**.

There are just two more women whom I wrote, who don't even bother to open the message or they don't bother to open the profile. I don't even count them. But anyway, that's better than pointless replies. I thank them.

I also have complaints about the technical side of EM. It often get frozen or slow and even crushes. And they are forcing you to buy a 3-month subscription, you cannot buy just 1. Also, the site lacks some very basic options such as possibility to change the order of the pics. When you're logged in and you upload pics, their order is ascending, but when you log out and you check your profile, it is descending. This is a pain in the a$$ and you have to think about it when uploading, cause you want your best pics to be displayed first. God knows how your profile will look to the visitor. Also interesting is the"say polite no" option. Some lady expressed interest to me and you can accept it or reject it. I rejected several such EoI's and when I checked my sent folder, I noticed a message saying something like: THIS MEMBER DOES NOT WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU! What a polite way to say no...

I also noted that some women have small pics like 200x200 pixels, you need a microscope for that. This is unexusable! Every FSUW now has a smartphone or a cam and can upload a decently large photo. If I was a mod at EM, I'd ban such profiles immediatly. I'm also suspecting that some women may use very old photos. I had a deja vu feeling as if I've seen them like 10 years ago on LL.

Now about the ru dating sites. As I've already elaborated, on sites such as loveplanet.ru or mamba.ru, most of the attractive young women are taken (which can be seen in their VK or Odnoklassniki) OR they don't care to find anyone OR they are too demanding and bitchy OR they don't know what they want OR they prefer locals. The majority is now average or ugly, because the atrractive ones are taken. If you think that beautiful and young FSU women "suffer in loneliness", then you must be mentally retarded. They have plenty of local choices.

FSU dating is dying and now it is good mostly for older guys, who are willing to marry 60-year old single mothers. That's OK, but such ladies are not my target group. Among the younger people, exceptions happen, but the number of succesful cases is very low. So if you are a young guy, save your money. Treat yourself with a trip to some attractive holiday destination (e.g. in South Europe), not to some Nizhnevartovsk or Novoshakhtinsk.

Before you accuse me that I insult FSUW, I will repeat once again: THERE ARE GOOD FSUW, but most of them are taken OR they prefer locals OR they are unattractive OR you need a common friend to introduce you, cause they may dislike dating sites. The rest are just timewasters who don't give a f. They cheat, drink, use recreational drugs, they sleep around, get pregnant at 18 and divorce at 20 etc. It's a total chaos and that is a fact. I'm sorry if the truth hurt you. After all they're young and such are youngsters everywhere. It's just they should not join dating sites if they're not seriously searching, it's not fair to us, men. There are even many good FSU guys (educated, middle class, decent looks), but even they have a hard time to find a stable partner and they often complain about it on the russian soc networks or blogs.

I have some FSUW in the soc. networks with whom I can make something serious, but they are not exactly the ideal that im looking for, so I don't communicate with them anymore. I don't want to give them false hope. It breaks my heart, they are wonderful persons. Am I looking for perfection? No, it's just "это не мое" - like russians say. Additionaly, beside those women, there are a 2-3 young and attractive single mums that are inviting me, but I don't know if that's for me. I've never considered a partner with kids. Sometimes I'm tempted to change that attitude, but I'm afraid it may not work well. I don't want any kid to suffer if such relationship fails.

Now I predict a shower of accusations and insults. Many guys will try to defocus the subject with their pseudo-psychological BS and personal attacks, but who cares. Rock'n'roll.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Omega1982 on June 22, 2015, 10:26:20 PM
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company.  I agree with you. 

After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious. 

It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30. 
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 23, 2015, 01:57:58 AM
What a screed  :Zzzzsleep:

Where does one begin.

OK it is in fact simple get on the effing plane and visit a city, go to café and talk with real live women. Offer to buy a second cup of joe, (avoid the girls drinking espresso).  They normally will not bite unless asked.

Let us know what happens.

You can apply the above to the local place or some where in the former Soviet Union. If you insist on using a site such as Elena's you will hear our opinions, mostly negative. Since you seem to be looking for an "ideal" a free clue. there are none. Some one can grow to be your ideal but mostly it is about compromise and acceptance. Until you learn these skills your potential success is doomed.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 07:52:59 AM
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company.  I agree with you. 

After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious. 

It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.

Omega1982, reasonable as always  :thumbsup:

What a screed  :Zzzzsleep:

Where does one begin.

OK it is in fact simple get on the effing plane and visit a city, go to café and talk with real live women. Offer to buy a second cup of joe, (avoid the girls drinking espresso).  They normally will not bite unless asked.

Let us know what happens.

You can apply the above to the local place or some where in the former Soviet Union. If you insist on using a site such as Elena's you will hear our opinions, mostly negative. Since you seem to be looking for an "ideal" a free clue. there are none. Some one can grow to be your ideal but mostly it is about compromise and acceptance. Until you learn these skills your potential success is doomed.

AvHdB, I'll skip your paternalizing  :Zzzzsleep: It's unecesary.

Speaking of the ideal, it's futile to discuss that. It's subjective.

About EM: after several busy months, I have a right to relax a bit, to check the site and to express my opinion on it. It sux and I want my деньги back. Yeah, my review was long, but it may save someone's money.

I forgot to add, to all the guests reading this: EM offers a trial, but you won't be able to see all the pics, just the main ones. That may fool you.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on June 23, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company.  I agree with you. 

After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious. 

It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.

4 Trips and no success? Do you have any suspicions as to why that may be the case?

Was it you who went to Belarus and met a party girl?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 11:20:36 AM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 11:25:32 AM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Markje on June 23, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company.  I agree with you. 

After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious. 

It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.

When I met my wife first, she thought of internet-dating as a joke, not to be taken seriously.
She was 28 at the time.

After that meeting, she considered emigrating to my country.

After the second meeting, she was sure. Now we're married and have a 4 year old son.

So not-so-serious women can be made serious , if you are the right guy for her.

Mark.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 11:30:36 AM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 11:32:25 AM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 12:23:11 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on June 23, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company.  I agree with you. 

After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious. 

It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.

When I met my wife first, she thought of internet-dating as a joke, not to be taken seriously.
She was 28 at the time.

After that meeting, she considered emigrating to my country.

After the second meeting, she was sure. Now we're married and have a 4 year old son.

So not-so-serious women can be made serious , if you are the right guy for her.

Mark.


This is so true. I'm coming to this on my Trip report.


These women need charming and to see you're a serious man with serious intentions otherwise they aint interested. They can get guys back home who they are familiar with, no problem!
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on June 23, 2015, 12:46:50 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.


The Women in his home country are wrong.

The Women in the Fsu are wrong.

The posters of the board are also wrong.

And god brings us his gift!

A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.



Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 01:04:02 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.


The Women in his home country are wrong.

The Women in the Fsu are wrong.

The posters of the board are also wrong.

And god brings us his gift!

A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.

Very true. But she doesn't have to reply if she doesn't like the guy and I'm not obliged to be her gay penpal. And moreover, you failed to condemn her behaviour. She compared me to a pedophile as if I wrote a 4-year old girl. Don't make us fools, Luke, you are embarasing yourself. You also failed to condemn the unprofessional practices by EM (fake "confirmed profiles), which tells me that you have a "butter on your head" like many other guys here.

You see, Luke, I received a message from a desperate, middle aged and overweight single mother from some village in Khabarovsk krai (end of the world), with a photo 150x150 pixels. Not my type definetly, but still, I would not like to offend her, so I just ignored her. Imagine if I write her now: "Thank you for your beautiful reply, you are so great and wonderful and everything, BUT we can be only PENPALS". What kind of cruel behaviour that would be?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on June 23, 2015, 01:16:48 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.


The Women in his home country are wrong.

The Women in the Fsu are wrong.

The posters of the board are also wrong.

And god brings us his gift!

A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.

Very true. But she doesn't have to reply if she doesn't like the guy and I'm not obliged to be her gay penpal. And moreover, you failed to condemn her behaviour. She compared me to a pedophile as if I wrote a 4-year old girl. Don't make us fools, Luke, you are embarasing yourself. You also failed to condemn the unprofessional practices by EM (fake "confirmed profiles), which tells me that you have a "butter on your head" like many other guys here.

You see, Luke, I received a message from a desperate, middle aged and overweight single mother from some village in Khabarovsk krai (end of the world), with a photo 150x150 pixels. Not my type definetly, but still, I would not like to offend her, so I just ignored her. Imagine if I write her now: "Thank you for your beautiful reply, you are so great and wonderful and everything, BUT we can be only PENPALS". What kind of cruel behaviour that would be?

Condemn what behaviour? She aint interested pops, stop crying over spilt milk and move onto the next victim.

Sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.

You sound quite a catch James Dean, show us exactly what these ladies are turning down and maybe then, and only then we can shed some light on your lack of success.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 01:26:52 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.


The Women in his home country are wrong.

The Women in the Fsu are wrong.

The posters of the board are also wrong.

And god brings us his gift!

A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.

Very true. But she doesn't have to reply if she doesn't like the guy and I'm not obliged to be her gay penpal. And moreover, you failed to condemn her behaviour. She compared me to a pedophile as if I wrote a 4-year old girl. Don't make us fools, Luke, you are embarasing yourself. You also failed to condemn the unprofessional practices by EM (fake "confirmed profiles), which tells me that you have a "butter on your head" like many other guys here.

You see, Luke, I received a message from a desperate, middle aged and overweight single mother from some village in Khabarovsk krai (end of the world), with a photo 150x150 pixels. Not my type definetly, but still, I would not like to offend her, so I just ignored her. Imagine if I write her now: "Thank you for your beautiful reply, you are so great and wonderful and everything, BUT we can be only PENPALS". What kind of cruel behaviour that would be?

Condemn what behaviour? She aint interested pops, stop crying over spilt milk and move onto the next victim.

Sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.

You sound quite a catch James Dean, show us exactly what these ladies are turning down and maybe then, and only then we can shed some light on your lack of success.

I'm not crying, I'm just sharing my experiences. I just exchanged a couple of messages with that girl, why do you take it so seriously? I take it seriously, because I payed lots of money to join a serious site, not another Vkontakte or Mamba, where people are sending eachother to х*й on everyday basis. I expected more serious people there, who know what they want, who do not offend other people etc. And I had my share of succeses, don't worry. I don't feel obliged to tell you all my experiences with women. That's my private life. Perhaps I should also send you intimate photos and videos to get your validation? Gimme a f. break.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AKA Luke on June 23, 2015, 01:29:07 PM


Gimme a f. break.
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Please do  :'(
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: shakespear on June 23, 2015, 01:53:07 PM
I'm not crying, I'm just sharing my experiences.

That's the way I took your original post to this thread; a recounting of your experiences with a specific agency.

It is regrettable that far too often some members decide to read more into what is posted here than what the words actually say.   
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
I'm not crying, I'm just sharing my experiences.

That's the way I took your original post to this thread; a recounting of your experiences with a specific agency.

It is regrettable that far too often some members decide to read more into what is posted here than what the words actually say.

It's not so simple, Shakespeare. In the beginning, the aim of this thread was to debunk some myths about FSU women spread by the dating industry (versus the reality). An important part of the story are of course the dating sites. But then it's all turned into a total chaos, I was like attacked by 3473984384 people at once and the mayhem began. Some take things too personaly, others are probably involved in the dating business and can't take no criticism, I dunno. In the heat of the debate we don't know anymore what we are doing. We are on different frequencies, we don't understand eachother. Like orangutans! In this salloon fight I don't even know whom am I beating, who's the enemy, who's a friend. We lost lots of energy on offtopics. Also, my english is not perfect (I am not a native speaker), sometimes I write mistakes and it sounds strange to you I guess. Like Tarzan. Shortly speaking: there're problems in the dating scene, that's the topic. Feel free to review it from the very beginning, but it's a tiring read, you will go crazy. Like me.

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 03:45:23 PM
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman.  You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve.  Get used to disappointment.   :smokin:

comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.

Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place.  The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick.   :laugh:

 :offtopic:

Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU.  Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior.  Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring.  Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment.   :smokin:

Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand.  Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.

I've been to Ukraine and I had a girlfriend there, a decent woman, but a bit bi-polar.  I have no complaints, it was overall a very good experience.  I probably learned more in that one experience then you could in 100 experiences.  Am I affiliated with any marriage agency sites such as EM or any others?  Absolutely not.

When I read your tripe it's like reading the novella of a drama queen.  I cannot tell that I am reading the words of a man, it reads more like a woman expressing all of her "issues".

Not that you will accept it but I will try to give you a bit of advice:

Don't spend time arguing with women or trying to improve them or trying to prove that you are right and they are wrong.  Keep your mouth shut and just listen to them.  Acknowledge that they are speaking, maybe say "uh huh" and give them a big hug when they are done.  The less you speak the better.  Only acknowledge positive things about them; make them feel special and wanted.

You are a very complicated person and full of yourself.  You are the perennial type of person where the glass is always half empty.  I hope you find your "perfect" FSUW and I hope once she is in your country and has her papers she reams you financially.  It's best for you to learn that type of lesson. 

Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 23, 2015, 04:17:22 PM


After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa). 

AvHdB, I'll skip your paternalizing 

Speaking of the ideal, it's futile to discuss that. It's subjective.

About EM: after several busy months, I have a right to relax a bit, to check the site and to express my opinion on it. It sux and I want my деньги back. Yeah, my review was long, but it may save someone's money.

I forgot to add, to all the guests reading this: EM offers a trial, but you won't be able to see all the pics, just the main ones. That may fool you.

Thanks about the patronizing comment as I dislike lambasting idiots.

I suspect that most will use due dilegence and common sense, when undertaking this search. As far as I can read you have used neither.

Can you assure the other readers of this forum that you do not use drugs?
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 05:46:03 PM
Anteros, I'm sorry if that you had such problems. No, unlike you I will not call you names. I will not ridicule you. It's not your fault. And I will not call you a loser and I will not mention "d*cks" and other vulgar words like you did. You shared your experience, maybe I could comment on it, maybe not, but no need for insults.

Here I'm just defending myself, it's you guys that need to think about some things. I notice how you treat people.  Some newbies were chased off forever. Look at the archives.

This is how you treat people (examples):

GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".

REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 5000$!!! Otherwise you are a loser, it's your fault, go see a shrink or a priest! You're mentally ill! Poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal! You must tolerate this! How dare you talk like that about THE GREAT FSUW?!".

GUY 2: "After we became close with the girl that I like, we began to openly talk about sex and I felt comfortable to suggest her that we, as grown up and responsible persons, should check ourselves for std's, but she avoids the subject".

REPLY: "You are stupid, it's your fault! How dare you ask her to check herself! FSUW never catch std's! You scared the poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal!".

GUY 3: "I admitt that I was naive and inexperienced, I made a mistake, I was scammed, is there anything that we can do now?".

REPLY: "Oh poor innocent girl aaa (crying tears). You are such a monster! How dare you speak bad about FSU women! I have a FSU wife and she's good, that means all FSUW are good, do you hear?!".

GUY 4: "We went with this girl to a club and all night she was showing me her back and she was dancing and french kissing with another guy and he was touching her breasts. Only from time to time she would come to me to ask me to buy her a drink. What does that mean in her culture?".

REPLY: Blah-blah-blah (poor innocent girl, you GREEDY monster, pseudo-psychoanalyzis, pick-up theories, alpha male, beta male, Freud, you must this, you must that etc.)

GUY 5: "I travelled to this single mother with serious intentions, I brought presents for her and for her daughter, I behaved well and so on, but she proved to be more interested in drinking and sleeping around than marrying".

REPLY: "You trailer trash!"

GUY 6: Writting a whole "phd" about certain subject with arguments: this, this and this, with videos, photos etc.

REPLY: "Nya-nya-nya" (spitful oneliner and a stupid smiley).


People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is  the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.

Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.

My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
If I was too harsh on you, sorry.  I read your response to Volshe and that made up my mind for me.  Others may feel you are just telling your story.  I don't see much of you in any of these examples you gave.  Maybe I am prejudiced?  Of course FSU women are not perfect.  There are no perfect women anywhere.  It just seems to me you are finding what you look for; you just do not realize that it is you who is bringing this about.  Complaining about stuff is not a noble exercise.  Did you really expect a different result from this thread?  Come on, wake up and smell the coffee.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 23, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
If I was too harsh on you, sorry.  I read your response to Volshe and that made up my mind for me.  Others may feel you are just telling your story.  I don't see much of you in any of these examples you gave.  Maybe I am prejudiced?  Of course FSU women are not perfect.  There are no perfect women anywhere.  It just seems to me you are finding what you look for; you just do not realize that it is you who is bringing this about.  Complaining about stuff is not a noble exercise.  Did you really expect a different result from this thread?  Come on, wake up and smell the coffee.   :coffeeread:

it's ok, man. sorry if i was harsh. btw the examples are based on various discussions that i've read on the forum. it's exagerated, of course, like a parody, but it'sa not very far from the truth heh. look, after all this is just a forum. there are much worse things going on. real wars, real people dying, both ukrainians and russians and many other serious problems. the whole world is going insane. our "problems" here on the forum are basically nothing.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 23, 2015, 06:47:15 PM
If I was too harsh on you, sorry.  I read your response to Volshe and that made up my mind for me.  Others may feel you are just telling your story.  I don't see much of you in any of these examples you gave.  Maybe I am prejudiced?  Of course FSU women are not perfect.  There are no perfect women anywhere.  It just seems to me you are finding what you look for; you just do not realize that it is you who is bringing this about.  Complaining about stuff is not a noble exercise.  Did you really expect a different result from this thread?  Come on, wake up and smell the coffee.   :coffeeread:

it's ok, man. sorry if i was harsh. btw the examples are based on various discussions that i've read on the forum. it's exagerated, of course, like a parody, but it'sa not very far from the truth heh. look, after all this is just a forum. there are much worse things going on. real wars, real people dying, both ukrainians and russians and many other serious problems.the whole world is going insane. our "problems" here on the forum are basically nothing.

That much is true and for sure we can agree on that...

 :BEER:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 05:13:01 AM

GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".

REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 50deal!".

GUY 3: "I admitt that I was naive and inexperienced, I made a mistake,ba

, you GREEDY monster, pseudo-psychoanalyzis, pick-up theories, alpha male, beta male, Freud, you must this, you must that etc.)

GUY 5: "I travelled to this single mother with serious intentions, in drinking and sleeping around than marrying".

REPLY: "You trailer trash!"

GUY 6: Writting a whole "phd" about certain subject with arguments: this, this and this, with videos, photos etc.

REPLY: "Nya-nya-nya" (spitful oneliner and a stupid smiley).[/b]

People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is  the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.

Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.

My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.

Sorry to redact your most recent screed.

But it is neither drama or comedy, think tragedy. For some who speaks a Slavic language you have perhaps become the mother of all failures in this 'adventure'. You have a list of Russian/Ukraine cities that you have visited and you have zero sucess, perhaps it is time to look at your tool box.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 06:23:23 AM

GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".

REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 50deal!".

GUY 3: "I admitt that I was naive and inexperienced, I made a mistake,ba

, you GREEDY monster, pseudo-psychoanalyzis, pick-up theories, alpha male, beta male, Freud, you must this, you must that etc.)

GUY 5: "I travelled to this single mother with serious intentions, in drinking and sleeping around than marrying".

REPLY: "You trailer trash!"

GUY 6: Writting a whole "phd" about certain subject with arguments: this, this and this, with videos, photos etc.

REPLY: "Nya-nya-nya" (spitful oneliner and a stupid smiley).[/b]

People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is  the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.

Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.

My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.

Sorry to redact your most recent screed.

But it is neither drama or comedy, think tragedy. For some who speaks a Slavic language you have perhaps become the mother of all failures in this 'adventure'. You have a list of Russian/Ukraine cities that you have visited and you have zero sucess, perhaps it is time to look at your tool box.

Why do you continue the negativity? Let's calm down. I didn't visit all those cities for dating. Some yes, some no. Do you understand that I'm interested in that part of the world: the language, the culture, history etc.? I wanted to see some places, sights, museums, I was travelling by platzkarts with ordinary people to experience everything etc. You get the picture.

And I had my succesess. You know very little about me. True, I'm not married, but I had relationships (and some adventures). And I've never had to buy "love" with money, green cards, iPhones or 250$ Gucci glasses. Yes, there were sometimes failures, there are many wrong women, I'm not inventing. On other occassions I did mistakes, no one's perfect.

My first trip to the FSU 10 yrs ago was not with a clear goal for a marriage. As far as I remember, my LL profile didn't even read "purpose: marriage" but it was "long relationship". And I got long relationship and it was wonderful. Have in mind that I'm from the younger generation (I was in my late 20s back then), so I was not in a hurry to get married, though the girl wanted (she proposed me, not the other way round). Maybe I should have accepted her proposal, maybe not. Both decisions had their own pluses and minuses. I had dillemas, I admit, there were arguments, negotiations etc. Long story.

Anyway, as the time goes by, we're getting more mature and we understand that sooner or later we will have to finally get married and to settle down, cause otherwise "the last train may leave" as they say in my country.

And you put too much emphasis on the knowledge of the language. True, it helps to a large degree. It may even save your as* in some situations! However, the language alone won't help you all the way. You think that FSUW are very impressed if a foreigner knows russian? Some maybe yes, but most don't care. There're even African students who speak russian, it's not that big deal as some may think.

But language helps you to get the informations that most of foreign men can't understand. Also, if beside language, you also know the mentality, you may get closer to the people and break that typical russian "ice". They will accept you as "one of their own" and they will tell you things that otherwise you will never know. Just one example: many FSUW admitted to me that they don't take this intl dating thing seriously, they even ridicule Western men etc. Long stories, man, long.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 07:11:16 AM

People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is  the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.

Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.

My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.

This is perhaps the first post you have made that makes some sense. I am awake, but I supect you are only sharing some of the 'truth'... Sometimes I poke Andrewfi or Moby but I rarely make personal attacks. I suspect you are a bit too sensitive for an internet forum. I have been accused on RUA of being autistic, snarky, too literal, a liar and a sex tourist, in the past in each accusation I have been able to prove the accuser wrong. While I do not have any cabbages I have a good collection of day lilies, (heremocallis) want to see some fotos, I can post in about a week when they open up.

So you know I have a knowledge of the culture of Russia and a decent knowledge of the art and music of Russia. In fact my wife after our first date complained that I knew about Russian/Ukraine art and wondered why I knew this stuff to her friend who set us up.

While I dislike pulling a thread that some one else started away from the core I may post a true story about speaking one language but being fluent in another language.

The majority reading RUA understand that using a site such as those advertising here presently is a like buying a lottery ticket. Some still try ~ and do you know once in a while there is a winner. Most relationships are tough, unless your 'partner' is a feline*. My opinion cross cultural relationships are difficult but often richer.

I would suggest sharing the positive instead of dwelling on the negative.

* four footed versions
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 07:57:38 AM
Note to moderators:

I have suspected a number of times in the past and in fact about a week ago I corrected a post of mine. But either Andy or Anteros qouted the earlier version. I suspect in the above exchange the same happened.

is there a way to prevent this from happening. I appreciate the ability to do spell check and make sure the grammar is acceptable. But it looks like I am creating and qouting words the LftS did not write.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on June 24, 2015, 09:06:59 AM
Whatever you are up to you are not being honest with us.

Those 'examples' you quoted above are not examples, they are your fantasies, fictions written to support your contentions.

If you have something to say then don't lie to us, eh?

There's plenty of people only too happy to tell lies but you are making a special effort here. Why do you do it?

It isn't as though even the semi-sentient don't already know what you are trying to tell us. Nelson's dead!

If you want to be some kind of crusading messiah, well, that's fine, but be honest about what your crusade is and try to avoid being the latest in a long line of messiahs with the same story - some of your predecessors were at least honest fools.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 09:22:41 AM
Whatever you are up to you are not being honest with us.

Those 'examples' you quoted above are not examples, they are your fantasies, fictions written to support your contentions.

If you have something to say then don't lie to us, eh?

There's plenty of people only too happy to tell lies but you are making a special effort here. Why do you do it?

It isn't as though even the semi-sentient don't already know what you are trying to tell us. Nelson's dead!

If you want to be some kind of crusading messiah, well, that's fine, but be honest about what your crusade is and try to avoid being the latest in a long line of messiahs with the same story - some of your predecessors were at least honest fools.

Those examples happened on this forum. The first two examples are from this very thread, so please stop distorting. You're a grown up person.The other examples, you remember them very well, cause you were replying in those cases personally. Of course, I exagerated everything a bit for humoristic purposes. We don't have amnesia and everything is well kept on this site and can be reviewed at any time. I will not even search it for you, because you can do it yourself. No need for further conflicts. Now calm down and let's continue to talk normally.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: andrewfi on June 24, 2015, 09:39:24 AM
When you claim to be providing 'examples' and then, as you have confirmed for us just now, tell us that you have distorted the truth for your own purposes then, matey, you just lied to us.

None of the quotes you provided exist on this site, and yes, I recognize some of the narratives but NONE of them had the responses that you claimed, even the scenarios were fiction.

You were dishonest with us. So, given that, what else is there to believe of your tales?

Are you, in truth, a pimply kid living in his mum's basement waiting for his dinner to be cooked and his socks to be washed?
Maybe not, but we don't know.

If you want to tell a story, if you want to be believed, then you need credibility. Tell lies and that credibility is gone.

Exaggeration for humour has two pillars:
1) You actually have to be humorous.
2) You have to be sharing an essential truth.

Sadly your posts offer neither.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Steamer on June 24, 2015, 09:53:00 AM
Whatever you are up to you are not being honest with us.

Those 'examples' you quoted above are not examples, they are your fantasies, fictions written to support your contentions.

If you have something to say then don't lie to us, eh?

There's plenty of people only too happy to tell lies but you are making a special effort here. Why do you do it?


Andrew, you're being a humorless, anal retentive prig.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 09:57:37 AM
Exaggeration for humour has two pillars:
1) You actually have to be humorous.
2) You have to be sharing an essential truth.

Sadly your posts offer neither.

A response directed to Andrewfi from Longing for the South

Longing for the South, I agree with Andrew and that rarely happens! You have some insight but are rarely amusing.
Having noted this you can be a value positive poster, please visit the travel section and update the various cities you have visited. Most of these threads were created long ago by Mendy who, in my opinion sadly, does not post anymore on RUA.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them (?!). Occupation: Tractor mechanic. This is obviously a joke, fine, ha-ha, but why do I have to pay for it? Anteros, maybe you're right that constant complaining is not noble, but just look at this. I payed for this nonsense like 130$. Where are their mods looking? Why this was approved? I have some worse examples (like that fake "confirmed profile" which I talked about, I would post it, too). Now to be fair, there are real women there, but the choice is so small and the majority is not really so attractive. Same faces everyday.

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Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 04:11:42 PM
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them . . . Same faces everyday.

Are you in fact a bit challenged?

I suspect the vast majority understand the reality. Once and while an update if you are so inclined is great.

But PLEASE lets move on. Tells us about your travels and expierences in the former Soviet Union, even Andrew can learn a new trick.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 05:07:30 PM
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them . . . Same faces everyday.

Are you in fact a bit challenged?

I suspect the vast majority understand the reality. Once and while an update if you are so inclined is great.

But PLEASE lets move on. Tells us about your travels and expierences in the former Soviet Union, even Andrew can learn a new trick.

Once I naively believed that in the developed western world for such unprofessional practices one could be sanctioned, sued or fired. I want my деньги back.

What would you like to know? Anything particular? I can tell you unless is too private. But you will have to pay me 130$+18% Value Added Tax and 5$ per a message. We can also arrange you a platinum package. All major credit cards accepted. And you will have to buy me 250$ Gucci sunglasses to prove that you are serious and not greedy and you will have to move to live in Nizhnevartovsk.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Manny on June 24, 2015, 05:28:58 PM
Occupation: Tractor mechanic.

It used to be a joke here that Russian women can repair your tractor. But then the internet arrived and we saw what they actually looked like.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2015, 05:50:07 PM
This is how you treat people (examples):

GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".

REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 5000$!!! Otherwise you are a loser, it's your fault, go see a shrink or a priest! You're mentally ill! Poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal! You must tolerate this! How dare you talk like that about THE GREAT FSUW?!".

For those who are new on the board, here is the story of the "prostitute" mentioned above:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386587#msg386587
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 24, 2015, 06:04:43 PM
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them (?!). Occupation: Tractor mechanic. This is obviously a joke, fine, ha-ha, but why do I have to pay for it? Anteros, maybe you're right that constant complaining is not noble, but just look at this. I payed for this nonsense like 130$. Where are their mods looking? Why this was approved? I have some worse examples (like that fake "confirmed profile" which I talked about, I would post it, too). Now to be fair, there are real women there, but the choice is so small and the majority is not really so attractive. Same faces everyday.


Well I am sorry that you feel ripped off however most of the USA guys like myself believe that dating in the FSU is still far better than what's available back home.  So you take your chances that there is some fraud, but overall there are much better opportunities.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: Anteros on June 24, 2015, 06:08:55 PM
Occupation: Tractor mechanic.

It used to be a joke here that Russian women can repair your tractor. But then the internet arrived and we saw what they actually looked like.


If just the average college girl looked that good in the USA how many guys would look to the FSU?  Yet we still have some wack-jobs who try to tell us that there are plenty of slim and attractive Western women available.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 06:13:53 PM
This is how you treat people (examples):

GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".

REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 5000$!!! Otherwise you are a loser, it's your fault, go see a shrink or a priest! You're mentally ill! Poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal! You must tolerate this! How dare you talk like that about THE GREAT FSUW?!".

For those who are new on the board, here is the story of the "prostitute" mentioned above:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386587#msg386587

for those that are new on the board, this is the oneliner guy hehe from the examples above. hehe
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 06:32:27 PM
Well I am sorry that you feel ripped off however most of the USA guys like myself believe that dating in the FSU is still far better than what's available back home.  So you take your chances that there is some fraud, but overall there are much better opportunities.

Anteros, you are right. But unfortunatelly, those girls with the tractor are not on EM. In Moscow it's 4 am now, they're sleeping.... with their russian boyfriends. Even if you can find an atrractive one on EM, they're getting rarer, they're hard to get and are "attacked" by hordes of men. Still, I agree that FSU is better for dating than most of the other countries. Or at least it was. It's a pitty that even there the dating scene is going down in the recent years. I wish it was not like that. FSU dating will continue to exist for only for a while and mostly for more mature ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 07:10:52 PM
My excuses to a newbie reading this thread.

Longing for the South is not a typical educated poster.

Yes using a MOB site such as is mentioned can be costly, but the poster Longing for the South has a variety of 'issues'.

Read further my various TR's as well as 2tallBills and ask questions. There is wisdom here and most can figure it out for themselves.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: longingforthesouth on June 24, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
My excuses to a newbie reading this thread.

Longing for the South is not a typical educated poster.

Yes using a MOB site such as is mentioned can be costly, but the poster Longing for the South has a variety of 'issues'.

Read further my various TR's as well as 2tallBills and ask questions. There is wisdom here and most can figure it out for themselves.

AvHdB, are you OK? Few hours ago we (kinda) made peace (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409791#msg409791) and (kinda) started to talk normally, but now you are starting arguments again. Did I ever say "AvHdB has issues" and "AvHdB's writtings are worthless"? How you suddenly turned into another person? Someone whispered to you?

Or maybe you got angry because I made joke that "you must pay so I would answer your questions" about my fsu experiences? it was a joke.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
Longing for the South,

When I concur with Andrew I tell him, and when I disagree he (I hope) understands. It is nothing personal. I understand from those I have met and have also met Andrew he is in fact an upstanding citizen.

The issue at any given moment there are perhaps a dozen "members" reading you diatribe and perhaps several times that of non registered viewers. Your opinions paint RUA in a very negative light as a source for advice and some wisdom.
Title: Re: Sex, Lies and Videotape: Deconstructing the myths about FSUW
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2015, 07:57:49 PM

It used to be a joke here that Russian women can repair your tractor. But then the internet arrived and we saw what they actually looked like.

(Attachment Link)

Manny, Do you think that it is a Belarus tractor? If it comes with a so depicted personal mechanic (the middle and right version) as depicted I think I can sell some.

NB: Unfortunately Manny pulled the photo link, but rest assured the 'm