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Title: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on April 15, 2013, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: AJ
I  logged into Anastasia for fun right now. My profile has no photo, yet about 10 women per minute invite me to video chat (of course at a cost of about a 1 USD per minute).
 
Tell me, what are the odds that most of the invites are not coming from those being paid to invite me to chat?
 
It's up to about 90 now, with lots of Chinese as well. Of course all those young Chinese girls are logged in ready to chat without pay..at anywhere between 2 and 4 am there. :lol:

I suppose they are only hoping to win that Odessa car contest.

Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Zachris on April 15, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
Really?

Given the one child policy and the over preference for sons over daughters, I would think China would be one of the worst places on Earth to seek a bride.

But, if AWeb is going there must be a market. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on April 15, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
The one-child policy has been in force long enough to have made an impact on the male/female ratio in China, but I read a recent article that said there were many educated, professional women over the age of 26 or so who were unmarried.  Here it is:

Quote
Over 27? Unmarried? Female? In China, you could be labelled a "leftover woman" by the state - but some professional Chinese women these days are happy being single.

Huang Yuanyuan is working late at her job in a Beijing radio newsroom. She's also stressing out about the fact that the next day, she'll turn 29.

"Scary. I'm one year older," she says. "I'm nervous."

Why?

"Because I'm still single. I have no boyfriend. I'm under big pressure to get married."

Huang is a confident, personable young woman with a good salary, her own apartment, an MA from one of China's top universities, and a wealth of friends.

Still, she knows that these days, single, urban, educated women like her in China are called "sheng nu" or "leftover women" - and it stings.

Who are you calling "leftover"? Huang Yuanyuan (front) and her colleague Wang Tingting
She feels pressure from her friends and her family, and the message gets hammered in by China's state-run media too.

Even the website of the government's supposedly feminist All-China Women's Federation featured articles about "leftover women" - until enough women complained.

State-run media started using the term "sheng nu" in 2007. That same year the government warned that China's gender imbalance - caused by selective abortions because of the one-child policy - was a serious problem.

National Bureau of Statistics data shows there are now about 20 million more men under 30 than women under 30.

"Ever since 2007, the state media have aggressively disseminated this term in surveys, and news reports, and columns, and cartoons and pictures, basically stigmatising educated women over the age of 27 or 30 who are still single," says Leta Hong-Fincher, an American doing a sociology PhD at Tsinghua University in Beijing.

Census figures for China show that around one in five women aged 25-29 is unmarried.

The proportion of unmarried men that age is higher - over a third. But that doesn't mean they will easily match up, since Chinese men tend to "marry down", both in terms of age and educational attainment.

"There is an opinion that A-quality guys will find B-quality women, B-quality guys will find C-quality women, and C-quality men will find D-quality women," says Huang Yuanyuan. "The people left are A-quality women and D-quality men. So if you are a leftover woman, you are A-quality."

But it's the "A-quality" of intelligent and educated women that the government most wants to procreate, according to Leta Hong-Fincher. She cites a statement on population put out by the State Council - China's cabinet - in 2007.

"It said China faced unprecedented population pressures, and that the overall quality of the population is too low, so the country has to upgrade the quality of the population."

Some local governments in China have taken to organising matchmaking events, where educated young women can meet eligible bachelors.

The goal is not only to improve the gene pool, believes Fincher, but to get as many men paired off and tied down in marriage as possible - to reduce, as far as possible, the army of restless, single men who could cause social havoc.

But the tendency to look down on women of a certain age who aren't married isn't exclusively an attitude promoted by the government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21320560
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on April 15, 2013, 04:51:21 PM
What am I missing?

Thin women from a poor country.

There are ebooks already.......... (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13895.0)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Donhollio on April 15, 2013, 09:20:07 PM
What am I missing?

Thin women from a poor country.

There are ebooks already.......... (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13895.0)

 Yeah but you would have to be attracted to Asian women. I'm not one of them. Having been to Asian countries, I can safely say my interest in females lie elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AJ on April 16, 2013, 12:18:24 PM
Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........

Manny -
yes, seems they have jumped in there..
No idea how the affiliate network was set up , but seems they have it in place
and operating.
It would seem a big emmerging market

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on April 16, 2013, 02:42:28 PM
Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........

Manny -
yes, seems they have jumped in there..
No idea how the affiliate network was set up , but seems they have it in place
and operating.
It would seem a big emmerging market

Its a huge market. As Russia once was. Men have been going there for years and quietly importing wives but it has never hit the mainstream media much for some reason. Anyone who has been to Scandinavia knows those guys fondness for those type of women. You cant miss them.

Donho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Psy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smokin with very western features.

A pal of mine goes to China very often on business. Japan too. It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

Its probably the new MOB market as the doors of the FSU close.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Bill on April 16, 2013, 03:46:36 PM
Manny have you been to California or Hawaii? Chinese everywhere. Even before Hong Kong reverted back to China there were large inflows of Chinese, now there's even more Chinese in the US. Apparently it's easy for Chinese to get a visa to the US. US colleges and universities are full of Chinese students.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: ashbyclarke on April 16, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
Manny have you been to California or Hawaii? Chinese everywhere. Even before Hong Kong reverted back to China there were large inflows of Chinese, now there's even more Chinese in the US. Apparently it's easy for Chinese to get a visa to the US. US colleges and universities are full of Chinese students.

Same here in England Bill, it's an easy entry route for Visa, which the UK is meant to be making harder, I know many chinese who live in Birmingham who use this as way of entry, yes birmingham of all places in the world they still choose to move to ;D

Although I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, it's not ethical, honest.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Bill on April 16, 2013, 04:12:18 PM
Manny have you been to California or Hawaii? Chinese everywhere. Even before Hong Kong reverted back to China there were large inflows of Chinese, now there's even more Chinese in the US. Apparently it's easy for Chinese to get a visa to the US. US colleges and universities are full of Chinese students.

Same here in England Bill, it's an easy entry route for Visa, which the UK is meant to be making harder, I know many chinese who live in Birmingham who use this as way of entry, yes birmingham of all places in the world they still choose to move to ;D

Although I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, it's not ethical, honest.

I'm told, I've no way to judge the credibility, that for many Chinese American colleges and universities are the ticket to jobs in the US and citizenship. If America doesn't work out they can go back to China and an American education can lead to high paying jobs in China.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Anteros on April 16, 2013, 06:31:40 PM
Aweb aka Anastasia Date has been set up in China for at least 3 or 4 years.  You guys just noticed that?  They have also been in Africa for about the same time, and South America (as AmoLatina) for about the same time.

For guys who actually want to take a tour, the tours to South America and China are quite a bit less than the tours to Ukraine (big surprise, right?).
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on April 17, 2013, 01:39:18 AM
Anteros, taking the tours is not what it is all about.

Adate are at the start of an ongoing PR campaign with the purpose of altering perceptions of their business. An interesting point that has been coming out is that they understand that for the overwhelming majority of clients a person to person meeting will never happen.

As I noted elsewhere I am sure that they will be deprecating the use of the words marriage and bride in relation to their business. They may not be the first to take a move to a new paradigm but I wager that they actually have the balls to pull it off.

The words from their new mouthpiece are very similar to those that were uttered before by others. Given what I have seen of the public pronouncements I bet that I know how the women will be motivated to chat online without ever being paid a wage. ;-)

The upshot of this is that place becomes largely irrelevant, Internet access and a degree of economic needs are much more important. China needs have no fears of an exodus of nubile young women to the US. This is not about marriage.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Anteros on April 17, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Anteros, taking the tours is not what it is all about.



Agreed.  Tours are for some guys, not for me.  I remember a few years ago I was corresponding to a lady on Adate and expressed my concern that she would be at one of the socials.  She wrote emphatically that as soon as they started sending her text msgs to invite her, she turned her phone off.  She had heard all about them and did not want any part of it, she only wanted to meet somebody who she had extensive correspondence and phone calls with.

I only mentioned tours because it is a way for some guys to get over their fears and get their feet wet.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Donhollio on April 17, 2013, 09:54:59 PM


Don ho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Posy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smoking with very western features.


 I tuned in to that Posy guy's video after I heard it received one billion views, a first on You Tube. But it didn't do anything for me. Like I said I've been there, and only my little Human Heater kept my attention. I remember what it was like SO many years ago, walking the lonely streets of Ukraine, and saying to myself how glad I was to of taken a walk outside. Not a day went by in those months spent in country that I didn't see someone that got my fancy.


 It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

  Vendelo referred to them as Twinkies in his TR. Maybe bananas work in the UK, and Twinkies work in the US.

 

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on April 17, 2013, 11:21:56 PM
What am I missing?

Thin women from a poor country.


 (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13895.0)

China, Is in some ways like Russia and Ukraine. A wide disparity between those who have and have not ~ between those in power or in the upper echelon's of businesses and the rest of the population. As well as a healthy dose of corruption and nepotism.

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on March 08, 2014, 06:25:50 PM
Its a huge market. As Russia once was. Men have been going there for years and quietly importing wives but it has never hit the mainstream media much for some reason. Anyone who has been to Scandinavia knows those guys fondness for those type of women. You cant miss them.

Donho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Psy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smokin with very western features.

A pal of mine goes to China very often on business. Japan too. It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

Its probably the new MOB market as the doors of the FSU close.

Well, I knew it wouldn't be long before this came up again, and I think we are pretty much there. So I woke the topic up.

Here are some thoughts:



I think the doors to the FSU are closing unless the guy has a passport (which many Americans don't), and he has a decent disposable income and the time and inclination to travel multiple times to places that need a visa and visit one woman at a time. For those that can do that, the FSU is still a goldmine.

For those that are not inclined to do that, or cannot afford to do so, and for those that want an easy-peasy only-one-visit-and-import-a-wife (which is many) scenario, China seems a likely option.

That said, I am planning to start to do some some business in China this year and will likely be visiting there in October. I have been reading tons of books already on the culture, the language, and from what I have read already, I think getting in tune with that culture will be hard for many westerners.

So although the MOB industry is shifting from Russian speaking countries to China (and to a lesser extent Thailand, South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong) I think guys have a bigger learning curve to "get" that culture. And how can you marry a woman whose culture you don't get? I don't think you can successfully. As with Russian speaking countries, I think you need to take an interest in, and learn, her culture, some basic language and certainly the alphabet. As you expect her to do with yours.

Chinese girls are the new Russian girls. You read it here first.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on March 08, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Yeah well only one problem with all of that. Chinese women don't do a thing for me, but FSUW totally do so it looks like I'm "stuck".

Oh well. I'll just have to do what I'll have to do to be successful.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: NS1 on March 08, 2014, 07:17:51 PM
That was good read, some true, some funny.
So when you changing the name?
Let see how.
Asian Adventures,

How about South America?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bigdaddy71978 on March 08, 2014, 09:42:07 PM
I'm agreeing with Guppy. I'm not into Chinese/Asian ladies at all. If you want something bad enough there will be a way to get it.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: NS1 on March 09, 2014, 04:31:51 AM
I'm agreeing with Guppy. I'm not into Chinese/Asian ladies at all. If you want something bad enough there will be a way to get it.
As has been said many times before, if you can date women of the level you search in your own country, then it is possible. Many women will follow you
for love. If all above happens as stated, it changes the game.
But there will still be beautiful slavic women. Not all are on Mob sites.

Also online dating is growing at a very fast pace all over the world.
All is possible, if realistic in abilities and goals.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2014, 05:16:19 AM
As others have already noted, women from Russia, etc are 'popular' because they 'look like us'. I reckon the Thai bride thing was largely a hangover from the Vietnam war and a generation of middle aged Americans who remembered with affection the women they paid for company in their younger years and who wanted to get themselves a LOFM with a good attitude.

There is already a shortage of Chinese women and Chinese guys head to Vietnam and Cambodia for women who look like they do.

I think the diversification that you are seeing is simply the reuse of existing assets within the business of the large MOB businesses - it is not any kind of new frontier. Just adding in new markets to pick up the numbers.

When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive. If you think there is a culture gap between women from Europe/Eurasia and the US then you've seen nothing until you come across Chinese people. These are not the same folks who serve your Chinese takeaway (who probably come from Vietnam anyway. :) )

The real next move is where Aweb/Adate are going, what they call 'international dating' which is largely destination agnostic. Fantasy fulfillment without regard to the location of the parties with the service provider managing the database and communications.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: kievstar on March 09, 2014, 10:52:24 AM
You can add Africa and Asia for Aweb.  They have been heavily involved with these regions for 3 plus years now.  Plus South America.

One thing for certain being an American it will be tougher to meet RW in East and South Ukraine.  West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.




Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AJ on March 09, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.

So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
 :D

That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
 :popcorn:


Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: NS1 on March 09, 2014, 12:53:50 PM
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.

So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
 :D

That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
 :popcorn:
When I was in western Ukraine, I found much less English, than in central and southern Ukraine
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2014, 03:27:12 PM
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.

So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
 :D

That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
 :popcorn:

That was NOT what kievstar was saying.
What he was telling us was that because the women in the west were more likely than their eastern sisters to learn English they were more likely to be able to move westward under their own steam. Women whose education tended to orient them eastward were more likely to need to move westward through marriage because for them it was the easier way to proceed.

Without reference to Ukraine specifically, going back many years, that was pretty much my observation too but applied to the FSU as a whole. Having English as a strong language is a great enabler of movement, for example, for younger people it opens the doors to university study in Europe that would not be possible if one's languages did not include English. A person with Russian skills will tend to be forced to study (and work) in Russian speaking areas - or get out by means of marriage.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on March 09, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
You can add Africa and Asia for Aweb.  They have been heavily involved with these regions for 3 plus years now.  Plus South America.

I know about South America, but few Europeans venture there for wives. That is mostly an American market. Where are Aweb operating in Africa? I agree its an open market if guys like black girls. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on March 10, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
One thing for certain being an American it will be tougher to meet RW in East and South Ukraine.  West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.

I have met a few women in Ukraine as well as from Russia.

My only observation regarding women from Ukraine is comparing the Eastern and Southern variations of women as opposed to those from the West of Ukraine the latter were/are more European in outlook. But there does not seem to be any one region that has a better command of the English language, I would guess it will be Kiev and close by.

If the person is half intelligent has a semi job there seems via the Polish consulate little difficulty in obtaining a visa to Europe. Most of the Polish consulates as well as German & Austrian consulates are in the North West of Ukraine.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: el_guero on March 10, 2014, 12:55:54 AM
For the MOB business, you may have that backwards.

Chinese men will definitely be looking for more brides than Chinese women are looking for grooms, real soon.

With a shortage of over 40 million women in the Chinese dating/marriage community, there will be a lot of desperate men, and not so many desperate women.

IMHO and of course, YMMV.

Wayne
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on March 10, 2014, 01:44:46 AM
  • Ukraine is now politically unstable. It is looking likely that Crimea will revert to Russian territory, and the rest will go through a period of unrest before joining the EU. I think EU membership will be accelerated by America outside forces; and the moment that happens Ukraine will be a closed shop for women. And I mean overnight. I saw it happen in the Baltics with my own eyes - and it was fast.
Because some are challenged when Manny says "overnight" he means the dynamics will change the  rules of the "playing" field and in a very short time period.

  • Now for reasons we need not argue here, that place needs to be quite poor, not black and not Muslim. It needs lots of women, and they need to be slim to cater for most guys tastes. Again we find ourselves at the door of China.   
  • The MOB industry knows what we want before we do
I always have wanted a red head . . .

  • Anyone who travels in Europe frequently cannot have failed to notice the explosion of guys with Oriental looking wives. Some will probably be Thai, but many are Chinese. Guys from Scandinavia, Germany and Holland are increasingly marrying oriental ladies. While some guys in the UK and America do marry these ladies already, the "industry" and information resources as we know it with the Russian speaking market is not really as slick yet with the Chinese (or Thai) market. . . 


Indonesia was a Dutch colony for over a century, allot of the Oriental look in Holland (and in particular The Hague) is a home grown "product"

For those that are not inclined to do that, or cannot afford to do so, and for those that want an easy-peasy only-one-visit-and-import-a-wife (which is many) scenario, China seems a likely option.

That said, I am planning to start to do some some business in China this year and will likely be visiting there in October. I have been reading tons of books already on the culture, the language, and from what I have read already, I think getting in tune with that culture will be hard for many westerners.

So although the MOB industry is shifting from Russian speaking countries to China (and to a lesser extent Thailand, South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong) I think guys have a bigger learning curve to "get" that culture. And how can you marry a woman whose culture you don't get? I don't think you can successfully. As with Russian speaking countries, I think you need to take an interest in, and learn, her culture, some basic language and certainly the alphabet. As you expect her to do with yours.

Chinese girls are the new Russian girls. You read it here first.

As noted elsewhere women in China can be far more selective towards a prospective local partner today.

On the other side with a bit of knowledge of the Chinese culture I can say I do not warm up or even respect it. Here in my opinion is the weakest link for some one seeking a relationship with a Chinese woman.

But will American's figure this out?

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Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 28, 2014, 11:02:49 AM
I lived in China for two years and will be going back in August.

There are no shortage of Chinese women for western men but there a shortage for the millions of peasant migrant workers and farmers who need a wife but cannot find one as young women these days do not want a life of back breaking servitude.

If a westerner went to China to find a bride, they would find one pretty easily. A nice girl with a good education, a lady, young beautiful.

Tall, slim, big boobs, nice arse, curvy, stick thin? They are all available over there, a great place to find a wife. And I didn't like that look of woman until I went to live there.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 28, 2014, 11:17:30 AM


When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been.  (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on May 28, 2014, 11:42:22 AM


When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been.  (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/

begarano, if you read Andrew's posts you'll find he's mostly making stuff up. I'm sure he and Manny (site owner) do it to increase the post count.

My ex was from Shanghai. Been to China more than a few times with friends who have business in the country. I started going with my ex to visit her family. Been with friends who have business in China. Mostly in Shanghai and farther south. Never was that impressed with Beijing, hated the pollution.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Ste on May 28, 2014, 12:25:30 PM
Food's better......
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Jeffery on May 28, 2014, 01:56:30 PM
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

Andrew, with a country of more than 1.3 BILLION people, roughly how many are you talking about when you say "not very many women that you'd see as attractive."

Are you thinking maybe  22 or 25 women, 250-300 women, or possibly more?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 28, 2014, 02:27:46 PM


When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been.  (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/

begarano, if you read Andrew's posts you'll find he's mostly making stuff up. I'm sure he and Manny (site owner) do it to increase the post count.

My ex was from Shanghai. Been to China more than a few times with friends who have business in the country. I started going with my ex to visit her family. Been with friends who have business in China. Mostly in Shanghai and farther south. Never was that impressed with Beijing, hated the pollution.

Beijing and Shanghai are megacities - pollution, tons of people, mad traffic - there is life there for sure. I lived out in Henan though and they used to say that Shanghai girls are the bossiest in China? Is that true? I only dated Henan girls and they were great! :)

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AJ on May 28, 2014, 02:27:54 PM
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there.  Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU.  South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English.  So if they want to go West they needed a husband.

So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
 :D

That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
 :popcorn:

That was NOT what kievstar was saying.
What he was telling us was that because the women in the west were more likely than their eastern sisters to learn English they were more likely to be able to move westward under their own steam. Women whose education tended to orient them eastward were more likely to need to move westward through marriage because for them it was the easier way to proceed.

Without reference to Ukraine specifically, going back many years, that was pretty much my observation too but applied to the FSU as a whole. Having English as a strong language is a great enabler of movement, for example, for younger people it opens the doors to university study in Europe that would not be possible if one's languages did not include English. A person with Russian skills will tend to be forced to study (and work) in Russian speaking areas - or get out by means of marriage.

I did ask it as a question to let Kievstar clarify?

It's fine you took at shot at it.
 The theory is of course sound , as someone multilingual in a more universally used language is going to be able to be more mobile and employable elsewhere.
 So yes *under their own steam*

It all fits right up to the POINT i was questioning kievstar over.
which was English level itself that reason. for them more likely to migrate under their own steam ;)
  Are western Ukrainian women more likely to learn English (yes if they did so they would be more mobile)than their sisters in Kiev, Odesa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Yalta etc.?

It may be true, but at this time I'm not buying it.
In fact if English level was the main bases, i feel more would be employed from Kiev than most anywhere else combined.

While I wouldn't  doubt more western Ukrainians work in the EU, the odds are significantly higher that it is due to a large polish ukrainian mix, in the entire area dating back decades.Family and business connections in the region.The fact many people commute back and forth regularly between poland and western ukraine with products/goods,,,and natural connections thru such interaction.
There is an ease of doing business , or even tourism, bewteen the two regions not rivaled with other EU countries, and the fundamental reasons for that is not English language levels, but shared borders and often shared ethnic ,business ,cultural and family ties ..

Hey , I certainly could be wrong,
 but having lived in the general region, and observing such family and business interactions between cezch rep and western Ukrainian.
I'll not take English being more predominant in western Ukraine as being either true,or the main reason ,until something can be shown to support it.
 :innocent:





Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 28, 2014, 02:29:43 PM
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

Andrew, with a country of more than 1.3 BILLION people, roughly how many are you talking about when you say "not very many women that you'd see as attractive."

Are you thinking maybe  22 or 25 women, 250-300 women, or possibly more?

While there are ugly women (even in Russia that was the case) there was loads of nice girls in China, like you have said, when the numbers are such - it is a mathematical impossibility for it not to be. Like I said, before I went there, I didn't have much time for that Asian look whereas now - thats all I like!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on May 28, 2014, 02:43:31 PM


When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.

You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been.  (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/

begarano, if you read Andrew's posts you'll find he's mostly making stuff up. I'm sure he and Manny (site owner) do it to increase the post count.

My ex was from Shanghai. Been to China more than a few times with friends who have business in the country. I started going with my ex to visit her family. Been with friends who have business in China. Mostly in Shanghai and farther south. Never was that impressed with Beijing, hated the pollution.

Beijing and Shanghai are megacities - pollution, tons of people, mad traffic - there is life there for sure. I lived out in Henan though and they used to say that Shanghai girls are the bossiest in China? Is that true? I only dated Henan girls and they were great! :)

Pollution in Shanghai is bad. IMHO not as bad as Beijing but others disagree. At times it certainly is a madhouse with traffic and congestion. I was surprised by how many foreigners I ran into. Shanghai is full of westerners probably far more than in Moscow and certainly Ukraine. 

My ex could be quite bossy, very strong willed. Most of the women I met in Shanghai were professionals so being strong willed/bossy was the only way that'd get ahead. Shanghai being the business capital of China and the chase for a good income tends to drive the Chinese in places like Shanghai to be aggressive.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Maxx on May 28, 2014, 02:56:18 PM
KenC's new wife is Chinese. Her name is Ping. He said she is nice, mature and easy going. They are quite a bit closer in age than the his last wife Lena.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Halo on May 28, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
While I wouldn't  doubt more western Ukrainians work in the EU, the odds are significantly higher that it is due to a large polish ukrainian mix, in the entire area dating back decades.Family and business connections in the region.

No, it is because the mentality is very different.  Ukrainians from that region have always emigrated to the West.  Far, far more so than did Ukrainians from the Russian Empire.

Western Ukrainians work all over the EU, and even in North America illegally.  It is the way it has always been.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on May 28, 2014, 03:27:11 PM
Westcoast, as you know I do not make stuff up. Why would I? Unlike you I do stuff.

Having been to Shanghai, I am able to write as I saw and experienced. Of course there are many attractive women. Hard to imagine otherwise in one of the richest cities in China with a huge and relatively wealthy population.

But just as every other place in the world, most women look 'average'. Coz, well, that's how the world is.

Westcoast, get out of your armchair, do something with the few years you have ahead of you, don't be the bloke who dies and wishes he had done more with his final years than buy the new Lay Z Boy with the built in fridge.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AJ on May 28, 2014, 04:38:36 PM
While I wouldn't  doubt more western Ukrainians work in the EU, the odds are significantly higher that it is due to a large polish ukrainian mix, in the entire area dating back decades.Family and business connections in the region.

No, it is because the mentality is very different.  Ukrainians from that region have always emigrated to the West.  Far, far more so than did Ukrainians from the Russian Empire.

Western Ukrainians work all over the EU, and even in North America illegally. It is the way it has always been.

Thank you Halo for the correction.
So its mostly mentality, and frankly if its always been that way, then naturally there would  be more family and business connections as well. Its not from some  higher level of English.
My personal take came from,seeing many Ukrainians working in czech rep.(Brno).or Italy, and often from western Ukraine ,  certainly no higher level of English ,as often they had very little, but knew Italian or Czech obviously.



Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2014, 05:53:09 PM
Westcoast, get out of your armchair, do something with the few years you have ahead of you, don't be the bloke who dies and wishes he had done more with his final years than buy the new Lay Z Boy with the built in fridge.

To be fair to Westy, he has told us on other topics of his personal experience in that part of the world.

Its great Bejarano has stopped by again, especially with his recent experience, as I am heading to China this year (on business - not women hunting I might add). Always nice to get the opinions of actual travellers.  :nod:

I am away for a day or two from about now, it'd be great if bejarano stuck around as I think the whole China subject is one that will grow legs as tensions in Ukraine rise.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on May 28, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
Westcoast, get out of your armchair, do something with the few years you have ahead of you, don't be the bloke who dies and wishes he had done more with his final years than buy the new Lay Z Boy with the built in fridge.

To be fair to Westy, he has told us on other topics of his personal experience in that part of the world.

Its great Bejarano has stopped by again, especially with his recent experience, as I am heading to China this year (on business - not women hunting I might add). Always nice to get the opinions of actual travellers.  :nod:

I am away for a day or two from about now, it'd be great if bejarano stuck around as I think the whole China subject is one that will grow legs as tensions in Ukraine rise.

Manny if you do go to China check ahead for the pollution levels in the city you're visiting. Wear a mask if needed, many of the locals do.

(http://tiananmenstremendousachievements.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/shanghai-pollution.jpg?w=300&h=186)

This is the real time air pollution levels from the US Embassy in Beijing (http://aqicn.org/city/beijing/us-embassy/). Don't trust the air pollution info given by the Chinese government, even locals use the info from the US Embassy. Shanghai air quality index (http://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/).

(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20130125/d4bed9d4d220126c38c40e.jpg)
A group of expatriates walk along the Bund as they distribute face masks to pedestrians to raise awareness of air pollution in downtown Shanghai Jan 24, 2013

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2013-01/25/content_16174310.htm
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: NS1 on May 28, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Hard to look attractive with the smog mask on :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 28, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
Manny mentioned one of the reasons guys might start to go to China to find wives: there are lots of slender girls there.  In 2003 or 2004 I taught at a tax seminar.  Most of the people who attended were young people who worked either in the big 4 public accounting firms or in the tax departments of large corporations.  I distinctly remember first walking into the auditorium on the first morning of the seminar.  The place seemed to be filled with young, incredibly slender East Asian girls.  By the end of the week I remember thinking that there is American slender and East Asian slender; they're on different scales.

A few years later I dated some Chinese girls who had immigrated to the US.  They all had beautiful hair. One was slender while the others were incredibly slender.  I met one of them at a seminar.  I thought she was in her late twenties, but when I got to know her she told me she was 41.  She was so slender that she bought size zero skirts and had the waist taken in. Chinese women seem generally to age gracefully.

I never thought about going to China to look for a wife.  I never thought about looking abroad at all before a friend of mine began telling me about his FSUW search.  But soon after beginning my search I was hooked on FSUW.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Mikeav8r on May 28, 2014, 07:02:52 PM
Manny mentioned one of the reasons guys might start to go to China to find wives: there are lots of slender girls there.  In 2003 or 2004 I taught at a tax seminar.  Most of the people who attended were young people who worked either in the big 4 public accounting firms or in the tax departments of large corporations.  I distinctly remember first walking into the auditorium on the first morning of the seminar.  The place seemed to be filled with young, incredibly slender East Asian girls.  By the end of the week I remember thinking that there is American slender and East Asian slender; they're on different scales.

A few years later I dated some Chinese girls who had immigrated to the US.  They all had beautiful hair. One was slender while the others were incredibly slender.  I met one of them at a seminar.  I thought she was in her late twenties, but when I got to know her she told me she was 41.  She was so slender that she bought size zero skirts and had the waist taken in. Chinese women seem generally to age gracefully.

I never thought about going to China to look for a wife.  I never thought about looking abroad at all before a friend of mine began telling me about his FSUW search.  But soon after beginning my search I was hooked on FSUW.
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women?  :)

Welcome back btw  tiphat
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 28, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women?  :)

Welcome back btw  tiphat

I really really likes 'em.  And fortunately FSU has lots and lots.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2014, 07:21:30 PM
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women?  :)

Its is the huge selling point isn't it? Be it in Russia/Ukraine or Asia. Guys like slim because our local women usually aren't. The ones that are, are often so heavily pursued that they get an inflated sense of self-worth, which creates it's own problems in a relationship.

If I want to buy a Corvette, I wont look in England or Belgium. In either country the car will be overpriced because its imported, "special" and different. If I wanted a Corvette, I would go to the US where I can take my pick of low mileage examples.........

Even after import costs, light conversions and local fees, the US car will cost less by the time it is on my drive than a local one would.

Similar, no?  :hidechair:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Halo on May 28, 2014, 07:30:09 PM
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2014, 07:33:11 PM
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.

See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 28, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Its is the huge selling point isn't it? Be it in Russia/Ukraine or Asia. Guys like slim because our local women usually aren't. The ones that are, are often so heavily pursued that they get an inflated sense of self-worth, which creates it's own problems in a relationship.

Four sentences that capture what is probably the biggest reason guys go to FSU to find wives.  Certainly there are several other very good reasons but that is probably the biggest reason.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: PBRstreetg on May 28, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women?  :)

Its is the huge selling point isn't it? Be it in Russia/Ukraine or Asia. Guys like slim because our local women usually aren't. The ones that are, are often so heavily pursued that they get an inflated sense of self-worth, which creates it's own problems in a relationship.

If I want to buy a Corvette, I wont look in England or Belgium. In either country the car will be overpriced because its imported, "special" and different. If I wanted a Corvette, I would go to the US where I can take my pick of low mileage examples.........

Even after import costs, light conversions and local fees, the US car will cost less by the time it is on my drive than a local one would.

Similar, no?  :hidechair:

 
The analogy is completely applicable, and has the ring of truth  :-*
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Halo on May 28, 2014, 07:38:43 PM
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.

See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.

I do know that you don't think of women in that way.  Which is why I was shocked at the analogy.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2014, 07:42:32 PM
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.

See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.

I do know that you don't think of women in that way.  Which is why I was shocked at the analogy.

One uses analogies to make a point. The two chaps above seemed to get it.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Halo on May 28, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 29, 2014, 01:05:50 AM
It is a funny subject (regarding slenderness) as for men in China, it is still a sign of pride to lift up their shirt and to expose a protruding gut in public. It is seen as a sign of wealth and that they are eating properly and of course, most Chinese people are slim.

My ex was seen as 'big' by Chinese standards though she only weighed in at 122lbs, she was 5ft 6ins and had big breasts and a nice ass, so there would be nobody here who would have seen her as 'big' (and been unhappy about it).  tiphat
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 29, 2014, 01:08:45 AM
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.

See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.

I do know that you don't think of women in that way.  Which is why I was shocked at the analogy.

Manny was talking about availability. There are places where a certain prototype are more common.

In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.

In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 29, 2014, 06:04:31 AM
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.

In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.

I don't think I put that in my profile but from what I've heard from guys who have done that is that they get a lot of angry messages from fat girls.  I suppose that's what we get in the era of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance:

http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/

Edited to add I just heard that the Chicoms are changing their idiotic one-child policy.  China will now allow all families to have two children.  It won't have an impact on bride-seekers for another 23 years or more though.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 29, 2014, 06:59:13 AM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.

Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 29, 2014, 07:04:07 AM
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.

In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.

I don't think I put that in my profile but from what I've heard from guys who have done that is that they get a lot of angry messages from fat girls.  I suppose that's what we get in the era of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance:

Actually, I state that I'm looking for "fit" and "in shape" on my current online dating profiles. I don't get hate mail, but I still get fat women writing me.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 29, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.

In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.

I don't think I put that in my profile but from what I've heard from guys who have done that is that they get a lot of angry messages from fat girls.  I suppose that's what we get in the era of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance:

Actually, I state that I'm looking for "fit" and "in shape" on my current online dating profiles. I don't get hate mail, but I still get fat women writing me.

Exactly, people are a lot more subtle about their preference by putting down healthy lifestyle habits which would/should scare off the fatties.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Halo on May 29, 2014, 10:42:06 AM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.

Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.

No, it isn't.  Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.

However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model.  Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.   
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 29, 2014, 12:20:46 PM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.

Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.

No, it isn't.  Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.

However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model.  Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.

 :'(
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 29, 2014, 12:41:44 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B65mtE2TN1w
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 29, 2014, 04:18:31 PM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.

Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.

No, it isn't.  Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.

However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model.  Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.

Men do it with other men as well...

'He looks strong, he is built like a tank'

And women do it to men as well...

'He is so lovely I would devour him like a bar of chocolate'

So the faux-offence you have took is severely misplaced.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on May 29, 2014, 04:33:51 PM
I got it too.  It was still a poor analogy.

Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.

No, it isn't.  Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.

However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model.  Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.

Men do it with other men as well...

'He looks strong, he is built like a tank'

And women do it to men as well...

'He is so lovely I would devour him like a bar of chocolate'

So the faux-offence you have took is severely misplaced.

And of course then there are the women, FSU and western, who are looking for a wealthy/rich husband. In this women are asking for more than men. After all, wealth, well managed, can last not only a lifetime, but generations. Beauty no matter how well cared for has a finite lifespan of a few decades.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 29, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
And of course then there are the women, FSU and western, who are looking for a wealthy/rich husband. In this women are asking for more than men. After all, wealth, well managed, can last not only a lifetime, but generations. Beauty no matter how well cared for has a finite lifespan of a few decades.

This reminds me of the Craigslist posting that went viral on the internet seven years ago.  A beautiful girl asked for advice in finding a guy to marry in New York City whose income was at least half a million dollars a year.

Quote
What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics — bars, restaurants, gyms

- What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings

- Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults — I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them — in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.

A guy who claimed to be a Wall Street trader made the following response:

Quote
Dear Pers-431649184:

I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.

Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity... in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold... hence the rub... marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."

I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on May 29, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
And of course then there are the women, FSU and western, who are looking for a wealthy/rich husband. In this women are asking for more than men. After all, wealth, well managed, can last not only a lifetime, but generations. Beauty no matter how well cared for has a finite lifespan of a few decades.

This reminds me of the Craigslist posting that went viral on the internet seven years ago.  A beautiful girl asked for advice in finding a guy to marry in New York City whose income was at least half a million dollars a year.

Quote
What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics — bars, restaurants, gyms

- What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings

- Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults — I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them — in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.

A guy who claimed to be a Wall Street trader made the following response:

Quote
Dear Pers-431649184:

I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.

Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity... in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold... hence the rub... marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."

I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.

I remember that article. It's true in both cases. I've known more than a few women, even some high earning professionals, who have traded on their looks to marry money. Just as there have been many men who have used their money to marry a beautiful younger woman. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: PBRstreetg on May 29, 2014, 10:50:04 PM
...I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model.  Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.

 
I liked this analogy and actually thought it rather cleverly spelled out  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on May 30, 2014, 10:20:14 AM
Jeffrey and others for whom counting is a lost art.

An average is a value around which most data points cluster.
An average does not shift just because there are millions of data points or very few (once one is past the minimum number to be statistically valid). Thus, most of the people (women) that one will see are average in appearance. A few will be attractive - but there's reasons why there's fewer than you think.

If one is more than normally pervy for a 'type' that is not so commonly found in the UK or US then one might find a superficial attraction in China. So, if you are unable to find women attractive unless they are small, skinny with dark hair then yes, you might find more women to feed your fetish.

Here's a thing though, standards of beauty are noticeably different between Oriental and occidental. The women you might find attractive will, by local standards be not considered thus. 'Oh goody' you say, but here's the rub. The Chinese women over whom you have been fetishising don't really exist. The Chinese women you see in media are not in any way representative of the real women on the street because you are getting fed the Chinese restaurant version of Chinese beauty. A made up, fictional 'menu' only eaten by gwai lo.

Because the women you meet are chasing the 'local' ideals of beauty you will not see many women who appeal to your tastes because they are not aiming themselves at you.

Of course they are out there - they work in clubs and bars serving the needs of foreign business men, but they are not the women you are looking for, I think.

And yes, you will see some stunning women. Just as in your country they are rare and, just as in your country, they are unattainable to you. There's reasons for that too!
Not only are most women, just as anywhere else, not willing to move to another country to get married, to most of these women you look disgustingly ugly, you smell bad and you are just too damned big.
Yes, there are women who have trained themselves to overcome these issues, many of them can be found as mentioned above, serving your needs in clubs and bars.

And, lets not get into the different races and ethnicities that make up 'Chinese' and the Chinese 'look' because that'll just mess with your head. But wait till you get on the big silver bird, then you'll see. ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 30, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
Jeffrey and others for whom counting is a lost art.



If one is more than normally pervy for a 'type' that is not so commonly found in the UK or US then one might find a superficial attraction in China. So, if you are unable to find women attractive unless they are small, skinny with dark hair then yes, you might find more women to feed your fetish.

Small? Skinny? There is every concievable body type amongst the women of China, you go past Beijing towards Harbin, you can find plenty of women between 5ft 8ins and 6ft. Northern China is full of that kind of woman, big boobs, nices asses, curvy. Not that you would know that though.

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Here's a thing though, standards of beauty are noticeably different between Oriental and occidental. The women you might find attractive will, by local standards be not considered thus. 'Oh goody' you say, but here's the rub. The Chinese women over whom you have been fetishising don't really exist. The Chinese women you see in media are not in any way representative of the real women on the street because you are getting fed the Chinese restaurant version of Chinese beauty. A made up, fictional 'menu' only eaten by gwai lo.

Rubbish.


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Because the women you meet are chasing the 'local' ideals of beauty you will not see many women who appeal to your tastes because they are not aiming themselves at you.

Though there are women who wouldn't dream of dating a white man - there is a large minority who would love to. And the Chinese standard of beauty isn't that disimilar to western standards of beauty, apart from skin colour, white/pale skin is seen as the height of beauty whereas dark skin isn't.

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Of course they are out there - they work in clubs and bars serving the needs of foreign business men, but they are not the women you are looking for, I think.

Rubbish and crap.

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And yes, you will see some stunning women. Just as in your country they are rare and, just as in your country, they are unattainable to you. There's reasons for that too!
Not only are most women, just as anywhere else, not willing to move to another country to get married, to most of these women you look disgustingly ugly, you smell bad and you are just too damned big.

Zzzzz - how long were you in Shanghai for? Two weeks, it shows I have to say.  (:)
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Yes, there are women who have trained themselves to overcome these issues, many of them can be found as mentioned above, serving your needs in clubs and bars.

And, lets not get into the different races and ethnicities that make up 'Chinese' and the Chinese 'look' because that'll just mess with your head. But wait till you get on the big silver bird, then you'll see. ;)

I have to say, that is the biggest load of complete and utter shite I have ever read about Chinese women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on May 30, 2014, 02:09:33 PM

I have to say, that is the biggest load of complete and utter shite I have ever read about Chinese women.

Andy, is an expert in all things. It doesn't matter whether he has experience or
not, knowledge or not, simply because of his super brilliant brain he is able to
pontificate on any subject and is always right. If you disagree with you will find
he is also an expert in psychology and will assign you a number of brain maladies
or psychological conditions and of course call you a liar.

Just because you have much more experience and knowledge regarding a subject
than him as has been proven time and time again that his expertise is greater
than all others in all situations and because of that he should never be questioned.

I put the blow hard on ignore and don't have to read his expert opinions on matters
he knows little about or his opinions expressed as facts.

Udachi

Bill
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: NS1 on May 30, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Yes the List of Andrew's expert abilities are quite impressive.
If you read here, you will read with amazement.
We here at RUA, are truly blessed with such a person,
to freely give us, his wonderful advice on all earthly things for free..

He is also and an expert in spinning, twerking and writing long detailed crap, that will
prove  beyond a doubt, he is correct, you are new and will learn this in time :)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on May 31, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
He is not as new as you think.

Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on May 31, 2014, 04:23:07 PM
Bejarano, so, you are going to tell us that standard of beauty are uniform worldwide, or just that in China they happen to be the same as in, well, whatever country you come from?

Yes there are different races but you are going t have a hard time convincing anyone who is at al objective that there are lots of tall zoftig women. You'll be telling us that they are all blonde as well.

Bejarano, I know nothing about you, but I think that you go around with eyes closed. Perhaps in the same way that many guys here think all women in Russia or Ukraine are gorgeous. If all you saw when you were there was a small slice of the people in a western oriented work environment then you will have been in the same kind of bubble that a whole load of deluded wife hunters in Ukraine find themselves. You will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?

 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Jeffery on May 31, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
Jeffrey and others for whom counting is a lost art.

Andrew I waited patiently for almost two days for you to answer my question and this is the best you can come up with? Sheesh!

First off, it would be nice if you actually answered my question instead of skirting around it. What is the number of attractive women in China, ROUGHLY?  250-300 women, 2500-3000 women, 26000 women or possibly more?

Secondly I have no problems personally with counting. That is actually part of my profession.

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An average is a value around which most data points cluster.
An average does not shift just because there are millions of data points or very few (once one is past the minimum number to be statistically valid). Thus, most of the people (women) that one will see are average in appearance. A few will be attractive - but there's reasons why there's fewer than you think.

Trying to move the goal posts now Andrew are we?
When did you or anyone else talk about “An average”?

Go back and read your post (Reply #20) carefully.
You never stated 'average' until now.
You simply stated that “When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.”

No average. Just, “not very many women”.  Hence my question of quantifying “not very many women.”

I’ll be kind and give you two more days to come up with the number. Not an average, but a number.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Donhollio on May 31, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
 I'm not into Asians, but if I had to do this again I would spice things up a bit and find me a Caribbean black girl with a bubble butt, and a spread of Double BubbleTM pink for a clam.  :thumbsup:  No jetlag vacations for those 'going home' visits. No smog, (I've been to Beijing) No loud harsh foreign lingo to hear. Chinese always sounds like they're chopping the shit out of something when they speak, am I the only one?
 I'll take the warm sea water, cool drinks, and a relaxed atmosphere  :8)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Isthmus on May 31, 2014, 08:39:13 PM
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience  :)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 31, 2014, 09:32:07 PM

I have to say, that is the biggest load of complete and utter shite I have ever read about Chinese women.

Andy, is an expert in all things. It doesn't matter whether he has experience or
not, knowledge or not, simply because of his super brilliant brain he is able to
pontificate on any subject and is always right. If you disagree with you will find
he is also an expert in psychology and will assign you a number of brain maladies
or psychological conditions and of course call you a liar.

Just because you have much more experience and knowledge regarding a subject
than him as has been proven time and time again that his expertise is greater
than all others in all situations and because of that he should never be questioned.

I put the blow hard on ignore and don't have to read his expert opinions on matters
he knows little about or his opinions expressed as facts.

Udachi

Bill

Precisely my practice as well.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: GuppyCaptain on May 31, 2014, 09:54:09 PM
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience  :)

Yeah, but some of us are cursed with not having much of an attraction towards Asians and having a significant attraction towards Slavic women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Mikeav8r on May 31, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience  :)

Yeah, but some of us are cursed with not having much of an attraction towards Asians and having a significant attraction towards Slavic women.

That's a curse?  I guess it beats being a werewolf  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Larry on May 31, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience  :)

I've never tried this but my friend who conducted a FSUW search and talked me into the search shocked me by telling me he was no longer searching for a FSUW but was searching in East Asia. After a trip there he said he could meet a girl who was as attractive as a FSUW but didn't have the 'tude.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Isthmus on May 31, 2014, 10:24:34 PM
The ladies I met in KL and BKK were highly educated, attractive, kind and easy going, definitely lacked the attitude of some eastern Slavic girls I have dated before where everything seemed like a test that you were being assessed upon. Was a real eye opener TBH.

Also the Asian FSU ladies I met in Central Asia were much more enjoyable company than the eastern Slavic girls I have dated previously. That has been my experience thus far.

I actually said to myself after being in S.E. Asia that my days of FSU dating are over ... until I met one remarkable lady in Almaty so I am being pulled back there again and I seem to have no control over this, its like a gravitational pull  ;D

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 31, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Bejarano, so, you are going to tell us that standard of beauty are uniform worldwide, or just that in China they happen to be the same as in, well, whatever country you come from?

Because as you know Andrew, beauty is subjective, you should have qualified the statement you made as such and said that in your opinion, long black hair and slender legs don't do it for you. That is fine if your type leans towards Slavic beauty but I will say this, every man I know who has lived and worked in East Asia soon gets 'Yellow Fever' I didn't like that look of woman either but I soon did, because, there is a lot of beauty out there. And if there are 750 million women within your vicinity, you will find sooner rather than later, someone that switches your lights on.

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Yes there are different races but you are going t have a hard time convincing anyone who is at al objective that there are lots of tall zoftig women. You'll be telling us that they are all blonde as well.

Yes, I have lived there, you are calling me a liar? Well, like you told others in the previous post, get on the plane and see for yourself.

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Bejarano, I know nothing about you, but I think that you go around with eyes closed. Perhaps in the same way that many guys here think all women in Russia or Ukraine are gorgeous. If all you saw when you were there was a small slice of the people in a western oriented work environment


I was one of three westerners working within a 2000 plus workforce and I lived in Henan province and in my city, I was one of the handful of foreigners in a city of 5 million people (not that big for Chinese standards) not every Chinese woman is gorgeous and I know not every Russian woman is gorgeous, the one thing Russian women have over them all is not their looks but if they like you - you know about it. Chinese women have their own positive points that you would only know after you lived there.


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Then you will have been in the same kind of bubble that a whole load of deluded wife hunters in Ukraine find themselves.

Seeing as I lived in no 'expat bubble' your argument falls to pieces.

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You will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?

There are 250 million learners of English in China, the majority of those being women, so I was meeting:

Shop girls
Students
Teachers
Police, army or civil servants
Office Workers

Most have degrees and a good education, most have had one previous boyfriend or even none at all, a lot of them are virgins and a lot of them are sweet, nice and a bit naive but honest in their intentions.

So, the main crux of my argument is that if you want a nice woman then you will find everything that you want in China. Try it!  :)


Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 31, 2014, 11:33:13 PM
He is not as new as you think.

Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)

Always glad to be back.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 31, 2014, 11:33:32 PM
He is not as new as you think.

Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)

Always glad to be back.  tiphat
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on May 31, 2014, 11:34:18 PM
He is not as new as you think.

Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)

Always glad to be back.  tiphat
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on June 01, 2014, 12:19:15 AM


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You will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?

There are 250 million learners of English in China, the majority of those being women, so I was meeting:

Shop girls
Students
Teachers
Police, army or civil servants
Office Workers

Most have degrees and a good education, most have had one previous boyfriend or even none at all, a lot of them are virgins and a lot of them are sweet, nice and a bit naive but honest in their intentions.

So, the main crux of my argument is that if you want a nice woman then you will find everything that you want in China. Try it!  :)
(emphasis above mine)

Probably more than 250 million. The Chinese government is pushing students to learn English in school and in college and university it's mandatory to varying degrees depending on your course of study. Anyone in the business community and anyone who wants to work overseas or work locally with overseas businesses is trying to learn English. Five hundred million wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility IMHO.

The Chinese are a very practical people. They realize Mandarin will never be the world's language of business or politics so they're simply out to master English. Are you a native speaker of English and have a degree in anything? You can teach English in China. Unofficially you probably don't even need a degree or even to be a native speaker of English.

Want to work in Shanghai or Beijing or Shenzen or any major urban area in China teaching English? You've got a job, it's really the closest thing to a sure thing there is. Of course you've got to pay your way to China and the pay isn't the greatest but you can live on it locally. For a recent college graduate it's a start.

bejarano have you ever seen Dashan perform (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2010/06/13/one_of_chinas_biggest_celebrities_is_a_canadian_eh.html)? He puts on a fantastic show.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: bejarano on June 01, 2014, 12:29:38 AM


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You will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?

There are 250 million learners of English in China, the majority of those being women, so I was meeting:

Shop girls
Students
Teachers
Police, army or civil servants
Office Workers

Most have degrees and a good education, most have had one previous boyfriend or even none at all, a lot of them are virgins and a lot of them are sweet, nice and a bit naive but honest in their intentions.

So, the main crux of my argument is that if you want a nice woman then you will find everything that you want in China. Try it!  :)
(emphasis above mine)

Probably more than 250 million. The Chinese government is pushing students to learn English in school and in college and university it's mandatory to varying degrees depending on your course of study. Anyone in the business community and anyone who wants to work overseas or work locally with overseas businesses is trying to learn English. Five hundred million wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility IMHO.

The Chinese are a very practical people. They realize Mandarin will never be the world's language of business or politics so they're simply out to master English. Are you a native speaker of English and have a degree in anything? You can teach English in China. Unofficially you probably don't even need a degree or even to be a native speaker of English.

Want to work in Shanghai or Beijing or Shenzen or any major urban area in China teaching English? You've got a job, it's really the closest thing to a sure thing there is. Of course you've got to pay your way to China and the pay isn't the greatest but you can live on it locally. For a recent college graduate it's a start.

bejarano have you ever seen Dashan perform (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2010/06/13/one_of_chinas_biggest_celebrities_is_a_canadian_eh.html)? He puts on a fantastic show.

Never seen a full performance though I have seen DaShan in an interview and my girlfriend at the time remarked on his perfect Beijing accent, if you go past the Canadian embassy in Beijing, you see a big picture of his face sticking out from the grounds, a remarkable man indeed.

But you are right on everything else in your post, English learning has took off massively as it is a mainstay of the Gaokao exam (thought they are removing the English component in some provinces in the future) and as you say, the lingua franca of the region for business and commerce.

My point being regarding Andrewfi is that there are plenty of women who you can converse with over there - a plus point - as you said if you have a degree then getting a job and making a reasonable living is as easy as buying a plane ticket.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 16, 2014, 08:06:39 PM
Wow!  It's been a long time since posting here.  (Manny, your news letter worked as it piqued my interest)  As it happens, I actually may have something relevent to say on this subject as I now have been married to a Chinese lady for over a year.  Below are my observations of the Asian Internet dating/introductions for marriage scene:

Probably one of the oldest foreign bride search organizations is Cherry Blossoms,  They have been around longer than the Internet.  They sent out catalogs of Asian women looking for foreign husbands years before anyone thought of a mouse as something other than a rodent.  I would guess that 70% of CB women are Filipino, 20% Chinese with other countries (including FSU) making up the final 10%.  As a side note, there are very very few Japanese women on the site .  I believe that CB started with a concentration on Japan. Of course there are many websites that focus entirely on China.

My reasons for "going Asian" were that I believed that Asian women held their beauty much better than FSUW or AW.  As I was seeking a more "age appropriate" woman, this was more important than someone looking for a younger woman.  I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW.  Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional.  I found both to be true with my current wife.

No one here will get an argument from me that Eastern European women are the most beautiful in the world.  It is just a matter of priorities.
KenC
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 16, 2014, 11:04:04 PM
Long time no see, Ken.  tiphat

How do you find the cultural differences? How is your wife adapting to the States?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Ade on June 17, 2014, 12:39:55 AM
I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW.  Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional.  I found both to be true with my current wife.

That probably has as much to do with the several decades difference in age to your former wife than any "cultural" or ethnicity differences.  :)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 01:06:03 AM
I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW.  Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional.  I found both to be true with my current wife.

That probably has as much to do with the several decades difference in age to your former wife than any "cultural" or ethnicity differences.  :)
Several?LOL I don't know.  My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 17, 2014, 01:10:10 AM

Several?LOL I don't know.  My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)

Hey KenC welcome back,


Bill
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: leslied on June 17, 2014, 01:22:27 AM
Hello Ken  tiphat

It has been a while.  Glad to see you have bounced back and found another partner.  Is business better now?  I remember you were hit hard by the 2007 recession. 

We are still together and the girls are growing up fast.  Don't be a stranger.  I always enjoyed reading your posts.

Best Wishes from us all   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 01:22:48 AM
Long time no see, Ken.  tiphat

How do you find the cultural differences? How is your wife adapting to the States?
The Chinese culture is way strange for me.  Remember, I am Russian so I had no real adjustment to make with my Russian ex.  I am enjoying the different culture but it is not being forced upon me.  Ping accepts American customs quite willingly and doesn't criticize them too much.

Adaptation is like night and day difference.  My Chinese wife is like a sponge, had a network of friends across America upon arrival and very quickly made many local friends and business contacts.   This flies in the face of logic too as one would think a younger better English speaking woman would adapt much quicker.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 01:27:40 AM
Hello Ken  tiphat

It has been a while.  Glad to see you have bounced back and found another partner.  Is business better now?  I remember you were hit hard by the 2007 recession. 

We are still together and the girls are growing up fast.  Don't be a stranger.  I always enjoyed reading your posts.

Best Wishes from us all   :thumbsup:
  I had business, health and wife go sideways all at once.  The good news is that I'm alive, comfortable and happy.  Glad to hear you are well.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 01:29:28 AM

Several?LOL I don't know.  My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)

Hey KenC welcome back,


Bill

Thank you Bill.  What is your current status?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Turboguy on June 17, 2014, 07:05:12 AM
It is always nice to see you posting Ken.  Stop by more often. 

Your discussion about Cherry Blossoms brought back a lot of memories.  Back in the days mice ate cheese I was really into Cherry Blossoms.   That was one of  my early ventures into the foreign women scene.  I always thought they were a well run business and a good service. 

Most of the women in Cherry Blossoms were from the Philippines or Thailand.  I did actually receive my first letter from a Russian woman through Cherry Blossoms.  I never expected that and was amazed.  The USSR had just broken up.  She sent a photo of herself standing in front of the Kremlin and I showed that photo to everyone I knew.  I still had in my memory my childhood days during the McCarthy times when if you got a letter from Russia within a few weeks both you and all your neighbors would get a visit from the FBI who would investigate you.

A few more FSU women started to appear in the Cherry Blossoms catalog.  In those days they had not discovered western beauty secrets.  The photos were often with no make up, shoes that looked like combat boots, heavy woolen clothes and hair in a tight bun.  Cherry Blossoms actually posted something in their catalog around 1992 that read something like "You should not ignore Russian women.  They may not look very attractive because they don't wear makeup and have been taught not to smile for photos but underneath many are quite attractive."  How times have changed.

About that time Russian women learned about makeup and western clothes and probably a year later a friend showed me a catalog for Club Prima out of Houston which was all Russian women and I was hooked. 

I am glad you and your marriage are doing fine.   During my life I faced all three of the problems you faced but at different times.  As difficult as dealing with them separately was I have to admire you for handling all simultaneously and getting your life back on track.  My hat is off to you.  (figuratively since I seldom wear hats.) 

My son is currently about half way through the process of doing a CR-1 for his wife who is in Hong Kong but from the Philippines. 

I can recall before your problems when you talked about being married to a RW for nearly 10 years that seemed like an eternity.  I guess a lot of time has passed since we are now just 3 years short of that mark. 

Well, it was nice seeing you post and don't be a stranger.  We miss you and the wisdom you shared with us.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 09:47:16 AM
Turbo,
I was thinking of you as I wrote about early CB.  In fact you were the source of my info posted.  Glad that you are happy.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 17, 2014, 10:59:11 AM

Thank you Bill.  What is your current status?

I am engaged to a girl from Voronezh you can read a bit about it here
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=18537.0

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Q36ESM on June 17, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
I have had two Chinese girlfriends... One was in college.. She came to the US to study from Shanghai and i would consider her the love of my life... The other i met almost a decade later.. We lived together for 3 years and it was like hell... She was from a northern city and nothing like my previous girlfriend... Her and her friends made me decide China is not the place for love.. I want to be with my girl.. Not my girl and her parents ... Kudos to guys who can put up with those types of living arrangements but it is not for me.  In this regard i give my preference to the FSUW.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: WestCoast on June 17, 2014, 11:49:30 AM
Wow!  It's been a long time since posting here.  (Manny, your news letter worked as it piqued my interest)  As it happens, I actually may have something relevent to say on this subject as I now have been married to a Chinese lady for over a year.  Below are my observations of the Asian Internet dating/introductions for marriage scene:

Probably one of the oldest foreign bride search organizations is Cherry Blossoms,  They have been around longer than the Internet.  They sent out catalogs of Asian women looking for foreign husbands years before anyone thought of a mouse as something other than a rodent.  I would guess that 70% of CB women are Filipino, 20% Chinese with other countries (including FSU) making up the final 10%.  As a side note, there are very very few Japanese women on the site .  I believe that CB started with a concentration on Japan. Of course there are many websites that focus entirely on China.

My reasons for "going Asian" were that I believed that Asian women held their beauty much better than FSUW or AW.  As I was seeking a more "age appropriate" woman, this was more important than someone looking for a younger woman.  I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW.  Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional.  I found both to be true with my current wife.

No one here will get an argument from me that Eastern European women are the most beautiful in the world.  It is just a matter of priorities.
KenC

Hi Ken. My ex was Chinese born and raised. Met her in Vancouver, She came here to learn English and went to university and ultimately law school.

I don't know whether I agree with you about Chinese women having a calmer personality than other women. Never dated a FSUW so I can't compare the two. However I know many Chinese women who will tell a b/f or husband what to do or simply complain if they believe they're being taken advantage of or used. My ex didn't cause a scene but in private if I did something she objected to I heard about it.

Have you started to learn the language? My ex wanted me to be able to understand at least one of her languages so she wouldn't have to always speak English. She was fluent in Mandarin, Cantonese and Shanghainese and knew a bit of a few other dialects. I learned Mandarin and can manage to make myself understood. It tends to startle many Chinese people when they hear a white person speaking Mandarin.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: KenC on June 17, 2014, 12:39:22 PM
Q36ESM,
I can only speak of my wife's tendencies not for all CW.  Ping actually has put my family ahead of her own in many ways.  Although her parents are gone, she still has a sister, brother, son and granddaughter in China.

Westcoast,
CW are definitely strong women, but much less confrontational and argumentative IMO.  Any conflict or difference of opinion we have had is resolved with logic and reason without dramatics.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Q36ESM on June 17, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
I know this a generalization and i apologize in advance but having dated and had relationships with women from china, south korea, and taiwan i can honestly say i do not like the way they handle conflict.. Everything is internalized and when there are problems they never speak up or tell the truth... It causes a lot of resentment...

 In addition, one may think everything is okay but in the back of their mind they and their family may be cursing you and you will never know, haha.

I just had to put it all aside and be done...
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Q36ESM on June 17, 2014, 12:54:33 PM
Q36ESM,
I can only speak of my wife's tendencies not for all CW.  Ping actually has put my family ahead of her own in many ways.  Although her parents are gone, she still has a sister, brother, son and granddaughter in China.
.

My last ex used to joke that i should have made a relationship with a chinese orphan...

Chinese humor... It's something else all together as well... :rolleye0009:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on October 11, 2016, 09:40:48 PM
I know there are more men than women in China, however there are dozens of western facing dating sites full of Chinese women.... 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 03:23:51 AM
I know there are more men than women in China, however there are dozens of western facing dating sites full of Chinese women....

And how many are real profiles of real people who want to marry foreigners?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on October 21, 2016, 01:50:58 PM
I know there are more men than women in China, however there are dozens of western facing dating sites full of Chinese women....

And how many are real profiles of real people who want to marry foreigners?

Chinese women like foreign guys. Tall, white and blue eyed preferred. A big subject that I have had explained to me in depth over the last couple of years visiting China.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 03:27:57 PM
And Russian women want to get away from wife beating alcoholic men...

There's always a story.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: yankee on October 21, 2016, 03:33:44 PM
And Russian women want to get away from wife beating alcoholic men...

There's always a story.

I would think that this is the case in all cultures.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on October 21, 2016, 04:48:35 PM
And Russian women want to get away from wife beating alcoholic men...

There's always a story.

I would think that this is the case in all cultures.

I know several spouse beating men first hand who were not alcoholics.  They had short tempers.  Usually differences of opinions rather than distilled spirits are the triggers in abusive relationships.   :fighting0025:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
Point missed. Oh dear.

There's always a story to tell lonely dreamers with more money than sense. The story always flatters the ego of the mug and can always be justified by reference to some generally accepted truth that is likely to be anything but true.

In Russia it used to be that women wanted to escape from violent, alcoholic men. Flattering the supposedly less violent, less alcoholic USAians. Chinese women now prefer tall,blue eyed, blonde white guys. Yeah right. Did you guys look at yourselves? Then factor in that many Chinese, genuinely,  think we are ugly and smell of rotten meat and sour milk.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on October 21, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
Chinese women now prefer tall,blue eyed, blonde white guys. Yeah right. Did you guys look at yourselves? Then factor in that many Chinese, genuinely,  think we are ugly and smell of rotten meat and sour milk.

Clearly they dont walk the streets with umbrellas to stay as pale as possible1 and dont have operations to make their eyes like ours2. I think your info may be a tad outdated, Andrew.


1 Pale skin is highly prized in China. Hence women walk the streets with umbrellas so they dont tan. Thus, pale skinned men (and babies) are seen by many as attractive.
2 A popular operation as this article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2830602/Plastic-surgery-drastic-t-past-airport-security-Chinese-women-flying-South-Korea-Western-face.html) explains.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on February 28, 2018, 07:30:28 PM
I just got this in a PM from our sidebar. We know Chinese women age quite well, but >>this one<< (http://loveme.com/mp/info27.htm) claims to be 54 and allegedly looks like this:

(http://www.loveme.com/images/p177642-6.jpg)

I have been to China several times, and I still say its the next Ukraine.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on February 28, 2018, 07:37:03 PM
I'll take my cigar - I called it 5 years ago.  :smokin:

Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........

Manny -
yes, seems they have jumped in there..
No idea how the affiliate network was set up , but seems they have it in place
and operating.
It would seem a big emmerging market

Its a huge market. As Russia once was. Men have been going there for years and quietly importing wives but it has never hit the mainstream media much for some reason. Anyone who has been to Scandinavia knows those guys fondness for those type of women. You cant miss them.

Donho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Psy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smokin with very western features.

A pal of mine goes to China very often on business. Japan too. It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

Its probably the new MOB market as the doors of the FSU close.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on March 01, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
I remember when I first went online and looked over some dating sites that there were many Asian profiles listed on international dating sites (this was back in the 1990s before the major expansion of internet usage).  I would think that after the death of Mao and the removal of the "gang of four", then with the opening of their society to outsiders, many women were interested in leaving the villages.

N.B.  Not to be confused with the UK punk rock group.   ;D
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on March 01, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Manny, not only is it becoming the next Ukraine, but also the last frontier.  If for reasons we will not discuss here, the country must be poor, non Muslim and non black, then this brings us to China.  Unless N Korea would have a regime change, China would be the last frontier since most of SE Asia, specifically Thailand is already over fished. 

Much like the great European powers carved up the world in 1885, and each power took their part of the pie, there isn't much left to conquer....   
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2018, 02:55:12 AM
In terms of fantasy fodder fulfillment, it might be true that China has much to offer. But there are some practical reasons why not too many women are going to be taking the big silver bird to the west.

1) Has anyone actually seen the kind of women who'd be likely to be swayed by the idea of leaving grinding poverty behind to marry some foreign stranger? There's a huge difference between the fantasy of what one sees in relatively wealthy, urban women and the country village-based women who might fit the required economic profile.
2) While many Caucasian men find Chinse women very attractive the same is not true in reverse. We are seen as being big nosed, round-faced, fat, and smelling of sour milk.
3) Just as in Russia and Ukraine, the kind of women that you guys fancy have no need to sell themselves to fat old foreigners who are too poor to find an attractive life companion in their own country.

So, yes, there will be some edge cases, just as in the FSU MOB scene, but just as in that case, it will be about fantasy, rip-off, scam, and disappointment.

As ever, in almost every case, brush up on your social skills and find a woman from your own peer group and community and stop wasting your lives.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 02, 2018, 03:20:17 AM
As ever, in almost every case, brush up on your social skills and find a woman from your own peer group and community and stop wasting your lives.

A veritable fountain of encouragement and enthusiasm, aren't we Andrew?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2018, 03:36:34 AM
As ever, in almost every case, brush up on your social skills and find a woman from your own peer group and community and stop wasting your lives.

A veritable fountain of encouragement and enthusiasm, aren't we Andrew?

I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2018, 05:07:37 AM


I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!

LofD

This is quite amusing given our andrewfi has long derived some income from acting as an 'expert' on such sites - his report on the Death of the Russian Bride was a failed attempt to highlight the launch of a new way of dating - Planet Love - which if you check and find is more famous as a northern Ireland music Festival - you'll get how well THAT went ;)

His fondness for me is probably because I've always been there to point out the flaws in his 'expertise' - when 'allowed'




Andrew is a fluent in Russian as his expertise on things Russian and relationship advice
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 02, 2018, 05:14:05 AM
I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!

Man are you guys down on Moby... he can't be that bad.  :)

Maybe I've got the wrong idea of what this process will entail, but I fail to see how it'll be decades-long (I'll probably be dead by then) and filled with loneliness and sadness. Now take the other day for example, I set up lunch with a couple of old school mates. Figured I'd corner them under the guise of 'catching up' to get their take on some travel to the FSU with me. They were only moderately interested until I mentioned that I'm paying for everyone; they seemed on-board after that (my point: far from lonely and sad). I want to do some general travel first to get a lay of the land, then worry about dating and courtship. If the dating end of the deal doesn't materialize I think the time and money spent traveling will still prove worthwhile. As they say, life is what you make of it.

I've never been too enchanted with Asians, but there are definitely some beautiful Asian women out there. Would I visit China? No. Japan? Maybe.   
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2018, 08:20:22 AM
Manny, not only is it becoming the next Ukraine, but also the last frontier.  If for reasons we will not discuss here, the country must be poor, non Muslim and non black, then this brings us to China.  Unless N Korea would have a regime change, China would be the last frontier since most of SE Asia, specifically Thailand is already over fished. 

Much like the great European powers carved up the world in 1885, and each power took their part of the pie, there isn't much left to conquer....

 :ROFL:

Thailand 'over-fished '

I can see our well-travelled andrewfi hasn't been to SE Asia, recently  :'(

A single European guy walking down the street in Bankok, Pattaya, etc., will soon see how 'over-fished' Thailand is ..  Mind you - I can't tell if 'she' is really a she unless a crotch grab is 'OK'  - as so many lady-boys looked OK ;)

Then there's the S.American dating scene ... 

More astute dating site observers will note that the big boys have offices in China and S.America.... 

There's plenty of other emerging markets

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Confederate on March 02, 2018, 08:27:47 AM
I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!

Man are you guys down on Moby... he can't be that bad.  :)

Maybe I've got the wrong idea of what this process will entail, but I fail to see how it'll be decades-long (I'll probably be dead by then) and filled with loneliness and sadness. Now take the other day for example, I set up lunch with a couple of old school mates. Figured I'd corner them under the guise of 'catching up' to get their take on some travel to the FSU with me. They were only moderately interested until I mentioned that I'm paying for everyone; they seemed on-board after that (my point: far from lonely and sad). I want to do some general travel first to get a lay of the land, then worry about dating and courtship. If the dating end of the deal doesn't materialize I think the time and money spent traveling will still prove worthwhile. As they say, life is what you make of it.

I've never been too enchanted with Asians, but there are definitely some beautiful Asian women out there. Would I visit China? No. Japan? Maybe.   

I’m your wingman!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2018, 08:29:16 AM
Bangkok, even
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2018, 08:40:52 AM

I’m your wingman!  :chuckle:

I think Lord of the Dance is serious - rather than dreaming of a trip to the FSU..

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2018, 08:51:27 AM
moby, the first step to understanding is reading. Try reading.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2018, 09:21:08 AM
moby, the first step to understanding is reading. Try reading.

'Sorry', andrew, dear... if you are going to try your 'Moby lacks Eng comprehension skills' tactic - you'd better read up on the last month's GBP v Rouble movements..

Unlike you - I'd just say you were mistaken - rather than 'fibbing' - but you know - that might me a character flaw in one of us ?

Kindly deal with my points instead of obfuscating ..




Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on March 02, 2018, 03:00:46 PM

'Sorry', andrew, dear... if you are going to try your 'Moby lacks Eng comprehension skills' tactic - you'd better read up on the last month's GBP v Rouble movements..
Here's the graph, to make it super-easy on you:
http://xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=RUB&view=1Y

April 2017, you bought 70 RUB for 1 GBP, nowadays, you buy 80RUB for 1 GBP.

Over the last month, as you suggested: 6 FEB: 79,87 RUB , 28 FEB: 78,36.. almost 2 percent, wow you must feel the pain there. Thats like 20 quid on a 1000-quid price.
Eh? Money becoming less?

EUR<->GBP:

http://xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=1Y
In april 2017, you can buy 1.16 Euro for 1 GBP , nowadays 1.13 EURO... sounds negligable depreciation.

EUR<->TRL

http://xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=TRY&view=1Y

I dunno if Cyprus uses Euro and/or Turkish lira where you were (turkey or greek side) so:

In August 2017, you could buy 4.43 TRL for 1 GBP, nowadays you can buy 5.29 TRL for 1 GBP... Huge depreciation there, for the LIRA!

Mark.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on March 02, 2018, 03:07:46 PM
http://xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=UAH&view=10Y

Ooh, youkrane has been doing very well since Yanukovich was replaced with Porkyshenko (NOT!)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 03, 2018, 01:27:54 AM

Here's the graph, to make it super-easy on you:/quote]

Except *I* referred to April 2015- to the present date ( hence the THREE YEARS )  when andrewfi - was telling us about the 'recovery' of the rouble ...

Try choosing the FIVE year graph from ex.comand you'll see how 'easy' it is for you to say - "DUH MOBY - I jumped in too quick" ;)




I dunno if Cyprus uses Euro and/or Turkish lira where you were (turkey or greek side) so:

In August 2017, you could buy 4.43 TRL for 1 GBP, nowadays you can buy 5.29 TRL for 1 GBP... Huge depreciation there, for the LIRA!

Mark.

The rump RoC uses the Euro and the TR controlled north will take anything in preference to the Tl;)

Thanks for inadvertently backing me up - as I posted - yesterday - that along with Venezuela - about the only currency doing worse than the GBP ( since leave was thought to have a chance of winning )  was the ......  Turkish Lira


Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on March 03, 2018, 01:03:34 PM
No. Japan? Maybe.   
Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.

Mark.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 03, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
No. Japan? Maybe.   
Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.

Mark.

I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.

A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Confederate on March 03, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
No. Japan? Maybe.   
Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.

Mark.

I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.

A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.

I get that. I had a couple of Japanese women into me when I was in college. I would want to visit Japan for similar reasons as yours.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on March 03, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
No. Japan? Maybe.   
Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.

Mark.

I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.

A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.
Japan isn't perfect , not at all no.

For instance: Too polite people. I was there for work a few times, and on one occasion I had to teach.

So after teaching 8 chapters of a manual, I figured it was time for questions.

I asked:
Did you guys understand it all?
Answer: Yes sir
(Impossible, noone memorizes 8 chapters after 4 hours of teaching... well maybe 1 or two, but not a whole class).
Do you need any help?
Answer: Nope, thank you sir.
.... rrrrrrr.... these guys are getting on my nerves.

So then it hit me:
Which chapters would you like explained again?
Answer: 3 and 5 please.
AHA! That was the right question, there is no polite answer so the truth surfaces!
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 04, 2018, 06:19:32 AM


I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.

A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.

My RU step-son is engaged to a Japanese lass - she is 5'8" tall  !

They have got her leave to remain in the UK - but is is out in Japan - checking out whether they can maybe make a better go of this there - He is pretty gifted at picking up languages
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 14, 2018, 05:31:34 PM


I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.

My RU step-son is engaged to a Japanese lass - she is 5'8" tall  !

They have got her leave to remain in the UK - but is is out in Japan - checking out whether they can maybe make a better go of this there - He is pretty gifted at picking up languages

Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.

The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.

My brother married a Japanese girl while he was in Hawaii.
When her parents first found out that she was seeing him,
they took her back to Japan and took away her passport.

She got another passport flew back to Hawaii and married
him, so they disowned her until she started making babies
and then her mother flew to the USA to see her and sorta
made up.

I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.

They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 15, 2018, 12:58:51 AM
Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.

The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.

My brother married a Japanese girl while he was in Hawaii.
When her parents first found out that she was seeing him,
they took her back to Japan and took away her passport.

She got another passport flew back to Hawaii and married
him, so they disowned her until she started making babies
and then her mother flew to the USA to see her and sorta
made up.

I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.

They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.

Some guys like Asians, some like Latinas, etc.

I happen to be attracted to caucasian girls so I've got to pay the fine of being labelled a racist.  :'( 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Confederate on March 15, 2018, 01:07:15 AM
Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.

The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.

My brother married a Japanese girl while he was in Hawaii.
When her parents first found out that she was seeing him,
they took her back to Japan and took away her passport.

She got another passport flew back to Hawaii and married
him, so they disowned her until she started making babies
and then her mother flew to the USA to see her and sorta
made up.

I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.

They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.

Some guys like Asians, some like Latinas, etc.

I happen to be attracted to caucasian girls so I've got to pay the fine of being labelled a racist.  :'(


That’s bullshyte. Don’t listen to Cultural (((Marxist))) divide and conquer lies.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 15, 2018, 03:42:27 AM

Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.

 it is certainly THAT ;)


The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.

Glad to hear it worked out for your Bro - but the Japs are treating step-son, fine and seemingly work well with UK folk - judging by the number of Car plant they have here, currently.


I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.

They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.

'Carpets' ? ;)

Long hair is quite fashionable in Japan and young people emulate western stars

As for their arses - as we'd say in the UK - "should gone to Spec-savers"  ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 15, 2018, 04:16:15 PM
1. UK folk - judging by the number of Car plant they have here, currently.

2. 'Carpets' ? ;)

3. Long hair is quite fashionable in Japan and young people emulate western stars

4. As for their arses - as we'd say in the UK - "should gone to Spec-savers"  ;)

1. I was talking about Japanese in Japan. Of course
they treat you perfectly if you are in their Japanese
restaurant in Blighty.

They have a name for us Gaijin, which means
outsider.

2. Yep, imagine if every carpet hair was 4" long and
straight black with no curl at all. Also imagine if that
it starts about 6 cm from the navel and covers every
square inch that a pair of not so sexy panties covers.

3. For youngsters yes, but for women 30+ they all
have dyke haircuts.

4. For popka's it's no contest. One out of a thousand
Nipponese girls have the popka of a hot FSUW. Some
have flat pancake butts, others have zero leg to butt
transition, their legs just turn into a butt but you can't
tell where the change took place. That's not a problem
with ANY FSUW that I've met.


Internet survey sheds light on how Japanese women deal with the hair ‘down there’
https://soranews24.com/2014/07/25/internet-survey-sheds-light-on-how-japanese-women-deal-and-sometimes-dont-deal-with-the-hair-down-there/


(https://image.afcdn.com/story/20141107/the-hairier-the-better-pubic-hair-transplants-are-now-a-thing-in-korea-535958_origin.jpg)

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on March 16, 2018, 01:51:54 AM
 :laugh:

Now you really are generalising, Beel

Step-son is living and working IN Japan with Japanese partners and lovin' it..

Like with most people - if you try and learn the lingo - they'll respect you and make allowances .

I have zero experience of 'close relations' with Japanese lasses but there's plenty of places on the net where you'll find some of your more interesting theories aren't borne out - from arses, hair(s)...

Remember, you don't need to 'sell' FSU W to me ;)

 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2018, 05:03:21 PM
:laugh:

Step-son is living and working IN Japan with Japanese partners and lovin' it..


That's great, I am glad for him.
My brother did well for himself as well
(he is 5-6 inches shorter than I am)


Remember, you don't need to 'sell' FSU W to me ;)

Yeah, me as well.

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on June 17, 2018, 12:19:23 AM
I would like to know if anyone here, specifically Manny has been to China recently? 

There is obviously a lot of wealth and many monumental development plans that president Xi plans to accomplish. 

Would it still be considered like Russia and Ukraine twenty years ago? 

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 17, 2018, 02:54:26 PM
I would like to know if anyone here, specifically Manny has been to China recently? 

Yes, and again in a few months.

Would it still be considered like Russia and Ukraine twenty years ago?

Very subjective really. There are a few photos and some comment >here< (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,21785.msg382742.html#msg382742) from a couple of years back.

As I said on that topic then:

Quote
So you want to know about the women? Wall to wall size zero, long hair, heels and miniskirts. Plenty of westerners married to them here too. If you like Chinese women, it would probably be a goldmine for the single guy who did some research, plugged himself into the culture and learned some basic Mandarin.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 19, 2018, 03:58:34 AM
China will never be the new Ukraine for one simple reason..

Most guys (Not all) are going to Ukraine for a few simple reasons :

1. Its cheap most budget airlines now fly there . Its possible to arrive in Kiev for $60 from much of Europe.

2. No need for a visa

3. They need a cheaper version of a cleaner/house maid/cook/washer up and sex doll. Something that is not so easy to get in Russia.


So China :

1. Flights will be 3/4/5/6  times what they are used to paying.

2. They will need a China visa (Most can't afford a Russian visa, so a China visa will be out of the question)

3. China is a big country and they will probably need a connecting flight to some remote rural place where the washers ups/cooks and cleaners live.

I can see some one arriving in Beijing and picking up a cheap wife.. so a connecting flight will be the norm.


So I think that sums it up in a nut shell really..

 tiphat
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 19, 2018, 04:47:26 PM
You need to experience rush hour at the train station in a major city like Beijing.  L-O-N-G lines waiting to get to the area to board a train.  If you have been to Disney World in those lines waiting to get to the attraction, it is like that, but the number of people in line is MUCH higher.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 19, 2018, 04:58:16 PM
China will never be the new Ukraine for one simple reason..

Most guys (Not all) are going to Ukraine for a few simple reasons :

1. Its cheap most budget airlines now fly there . Its possible to arrive in Kiev for $60 from much of Europe.

2. No need for a visa

3. They need a cheaper version of a cleaner/house maid/cook/washer up and sex doll. Something that is not so easy to get in Russia.


So China :

1. Flights will be 3/4/5/6  times what they are used to paying.

2. They will need a China visa (Most can't afford a Russian visa, so a China visa will be out of the question)

3. China is a big country and they will probably need a connecting flight to some remote rural place where the washers ups/cooks and cleaners live.

I can see some one arriving in Beijing and picking up a cheap wife.. so a connecting flight will be the norm.


So I think that sums it up in a nut shell really..


The greater issue is cultural. There is an enormous gulf between any Western culture and that of a Chinese woman in a region if some one wants a true relationship.

But I suspect the visa may be a barrier as well. For what it is worth I understand Confederate is with an Asian women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 19, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
One big difference between East and West dating is that arranged marriages are more common in the East. Applying for a visa is similar process like applying to enter Russia.  You need to show your itinerary of where/why you are visiting.  You can also get married overseas if you want (but you need notarized certifications from the State Department and Local County governments).
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 20, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
The greater issue is cultural. There is an enormous gulf between any Western culture and that of a Chinese woman in a region if some one wants a true relationship.
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Was thinking about this and I suspect the greater issue is how women (& men) view a relationship in different cultures. It might take a while but a person will adapt to the prevailing norms of the society he or she is in.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2018, 06:20:27 AM
If we start from the premise that guys look for foreign wives because they can't find a woman compatible with their particular needs from the millions of women in their own country then it is likely that it will be even harder to find a compatible partner in China than from Eastern Europe.

It is about culture.

There's quite a large set of cultural differences between the United States and Eastern Europe but that's as nothing compared to the gulf between the USA and China.

About the only plus point that I can think of is that the Chinese women that Westerners find physically attractive tend to be physically unattractive to Chinese men so they will be able to, more easily, find a woman that they fancy who is not already hooked up.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 20, 2018, 06:28:46 AM
. . .  About the only plus point that I can think of is that the Chinese women that Westerners find physically attractive tend to be physically unattractive to Chinese men so they will be able to, more easily, find a woman that they fancy who is not already hooked up.
Interesting observation. Curious can you expand on this part from your viewpoint.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 20, 2018, 05:12:17 PM
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then it is likely that it will be even harder to find a compatible partner in China than from Eastern Europe.

From a cultural and communication standpoint probably true, but not necessarily from an economic standpoint.  "MOB industry" stereotypes probably more prevalent in Asia than Europe.

Quote
There's quite a large set of cultural differences between the United States and Eastern Europe but that's as nothing compared to the gulf between the USA and China.

Probably true, but I know of someone in the US (Caucasian) who was "introduced" to an Asian women overseas on his trip to China (through an Asian living in the US) and that lady knew no English.  They got married and she immigrated to the US and now they have a family here.  People will adapt if they see a promising future elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
Of course, some people do it. A couple of my closest friends are a European /Chinese couple. But that does not mean that lots of people do it successfully.

Same as American guys, some do marry Ukrainian women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 21, 2018, 01:30:13 AM
They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Texan77 on June 21, 2018, 03:44:07 AM
There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 21, 2018, 05:26:06 AM
There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.

Interesting observation, thanks for sharing. Good to see you posting again.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 21, 2018, 05:31:15 AM
There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle.  You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.

On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.

From my experience its usually one of the most important points ... :laugh:  Just like looking for a young beauty queen in Ukraine 35 years younger than yourself.. usually the sexual side takes most priority... most guys can't afford to support them selves so supporting another women family doesn't even come into the question ?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 21, 2018, 05:54:24 AM
Generally guys (About 70% ) have no thoughts what so ever about looking after any family..

They look for one thing:

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35972729_2065261567030684_1970772746228989952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e4f0f2c1447bda409c59ac32950a26a1&oe=5BA28557)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 21, 2018, 06:26:43 AM
They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:

How many Chinese women have you dated, Steveboy?))

I dated a Taiwanese lass living in the UK who was THE main supplier for Tie-Rack....( what ever happened to them?)

Cannot say I remember her being excessively forested.

We fell about laughing when she told her Mum ..on speaker phone...that my latest gf wasn't a Russian Tart...but Chinese..and bald down there ...

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 07:38:38 AM
AvHdB asked about support for my point about beauty. Well, for me it was first-hand experience from time spent in China and from experience in life in general. There's not a huge amount of academic research on the topic but here's a well-written piece that covers the kind of ground that I was referring to:
http://qr.ae/TUp5Qv

The comments are well worth a read as well. Have a look at the images in the first comment.

Of course, there are certain traits, mainly to do with perceived health and motherhood potential that are common to pretty much any culture but the article above considers the traits that are culturally based. Another point to bear in mind is that a lot of guys who must seek a foreign partner are just not too picky, they are not used to being successful with women and so they are happy to respond positively to a woman who gives them some attention - and that's something that can be seen not just in China.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 21, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
AvHdB asked about support for my point about beauty. Well, for me it was first-hand experience from time spent in China and from experience in life in general. There's not a huge amount of academic research on the topic but here's a well-written piece that covers the kind of ground that I was referring to:
http://qr.ae/TUp5Qv

The comments are well worth a read as well. Have a look at the images in the first comment.


Interesting read, even rather funny at times. I am reminded of the adage; Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 21, 2018, 05:05:45 PM
They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:

I thought Steve you were a carpet muncher!  :-X
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 21, 2018, 05:31:23 PM
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This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.

The concept of filial piety is a major part of Chinese culture (note the tomb cleaning holiday).  Although with the worker migrations from the villages to the cities, many more older people are left to fend for themselves now.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 02:29:09 AM
They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:

How many Chinese women have you dated, Steveboy?))

I dated a Taiwanese lass living in the UK who was THE main supplier for Tie-Rack....( what ever happened to them?)

Cannot say I remember her being excessively forested.

We fell about laughing when she told her Mum ..on speaker phone...that my latest gf wasn't a Russian Tart...but Chinese..and bald down there ...

None!! But I have seen them in porno's or were they Japanese  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on June 22, 2018, 03:54:35 AM
I Simply can't find chinese women attractive. Some have a pretty face, but as soon as they start talking its all over down there.

Japanese / Thai and others are not comparable, I have been to Fukuoka/Japan and you'd best not tell anyone you think they and the chinese are the same race  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 05:40:16 AM
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

There are thousands of young Chinese guys that have suddenly appeared on the scene looking for a wife and lots of youngsters with plenty of money...

Unfortunately it seems the general consensus for Russian women and Ukrainian women is they are not so interested...
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 22, 2018, 05:44:01 AM
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

They have a 'middle class', money and heard about FSU ladies ? ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 09:49:02 AM
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

They have a 'middle class', money and heard about FSU ladies ? ;)

Going by some of their photos they have more than "Middle class " Money , plenty of young under 30's driving around in the latest Merc looking for a young Russian girl..
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 22, 2018, 10:24:27 AM
The Moby and Guile show has been moved - keep it on the new topic please.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=27320.0 (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=27320.0)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 22, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

White is the prize.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 22, 2018, 11:33:42 AM

What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!


White is the prize.

I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...

Perhaps you are trying to up the post count by being so 'contentious'

I know Cantonese Chinese, better..but my experience suggests ...like us western guys... some desire the concept of exotic ( different) to what is on offer at home..

Perhaps you should read some Clavell to understand how many Chinese view us....'Barbarians'...




Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 22, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
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What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!

There have also been reports of Chinese men going to Vietnam and other border nations searching for women.  The high emphasis on male progeny (who support the family tree) and the one child policy has dropped the number of female births for the country which then leaves a smaller female to male ratio over the past decades.  If the men cannot find single local women, then they have to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on June 23, 2018, 12:26:16 AM
They also tend  to have a little more hair  where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:

Nothing the matter with a bush, so long as it ain't so long!  :laugh:

Amanda Palmer - 'Map of Tasmania'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-GQ63NStxk
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 23, 2018, 12:55:29 AM
If you want a Chinese woman just go to California.  Over a million there and they speak English if educated in the states.

heck the last time I was in UCLA half the campus was Asian.  Got some friends in LA, yellow fever is hot there.  Facebook founder Mark Z has a Chinese wife.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 23, 2018, 01:00:00 AM
I didn't read the warning upthread
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Markje on June 23, 2018, 06:19:54 AM
White is the prize.

I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...

Why? It is mostly true.

White skinned people are considered upper-class because it isn't tanned by the sun (manual labour). Therefore European guys with White skin are definately considered upper-class and therefore prized.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 23, 2018, 07:17:41 AM
Each culture will its own vision of an ideal beauty.

In North America there was during the 1890's to the 1st World War the Gibson Girl, latter there was In the 2nd world postwar period the beauty was measured against women such as M. Monroe and sort of ending with B. Shields. Today many models are extremely thin, though there is a fair amount of push back. In England during the 2nd WWII period there was Twiggy and K. Moss.

The goal posts move.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 23, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
White is the prize.

I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...

Why? It is mostly true.

White skinned people are considered upper-class because it isn't tanned by the sun (manual labour). Therefore European guys with White skin are definately considered upper-class and therefore prized.

Exactly what I meant. Why in China we see girls walking around with parasols and umbrellas to stay as white as possible. Its not a big jump from there to see why some Chinese guys are wife hunting in the FSU.

However, rather than discuss like a normal person, Moby went into knee-jerk Liberal faux offence and PC mode. His lot do that.

Perhaps Moby can discuss with some Chinese their thoughts on this with his advanced Mandarin. I expect he is fluent in Cantonese as well. Whatever the subject, Moby claims to either speak the language and/or have a great many friends from there and was usually there only last week. I'm sure he has Xi Jinping in his address book. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 23, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
As pointed out the Chinese culture doesn't embrace tanning like the west.  You won't see them lying on the beach all day like in the Cote d'azure or some resort by the Med sea.

As I speak fluent Cantonese and Mandarin I'm sure moby can demonstrate his excellent command to me:  "Lei sik m sik giu gai chow fun?".. that means "can you order some chicken fried noodles?!   

moby couldn't even ask for tea in Chinese at his local Hakkasan.

Asian and western ideals of beauty are on opposite spectrums.  Chinese girls are slim and don't work out. No curves, nothing. Koreans even more sharp and angular in their facial features. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 23, 2018, 04:46:24 PM

Exactly what I meant. Why in China we see girls walking around with parasols and umbrellas to stay as white as possible. Its not a big jump from there to see why some Chinese guys are wife hunting in the FSU.

However, rather than discuss like a normal person, Moby went into knee-jerk Liberal faux offence and PC mode. His lot do that.

I apologise.

Given your normal attitude to ethnic minorities - one could excuse the assumption.  NOTHING to do with my right of centre politics politically ( economic perspective) - This is your continued fibbing mantra

Perhaps Moby can discuss with some Chinese their thoughts on this with his advanced Mandarin. I expect he is fluent in Cantonese as well. Whatever the subject, Moby claims to either speak the language and/or have a great many friends from there and was usually there only last week. I'm sure he has Xi Jinping in his address book. :ROFL:

My experience of China - Hong Kong - WAY predates yours and you ain't the only member going to mainland China / doing biz ..

I don't boast of my contacts in govt as when they don't listen to one's 'campaigns'  - it looks like they don't regard one as serious.....
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 24, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
I apologise.

Hang out the flags.

Given your normal attitude to ethnic minorities - one could excuse the assumption. 

Not really.

NOTHING to do with my right of centre

We dont care how you arrange your appendage.

politics politically ( economic perspective) -

Ahh politically right of centre? You? About as right of centre as Michael Foot I'd say.

This is your continued fibbing mantra

Ahh the Moby we know and love. Personal and off topic barbs. Had to balance out that apology I suppose........

My experience of China - Hong Kong - WAY predates yours and you ain't the only member going to mainland China / doing biz ..

You'll note I predicted above you'd say similar. If you happen to be in Hong Kong, Dongguan, Guangdong or Guangzhou in October, I'll buy you a cup of tea. 

I don't boast of my contacts in govt as when they don't listen to one's 'campaigns'  - it looks like they don't regard one as serious.....

Should I guess what this blathering is or who its about? Is this me? Is this Russian gov or UK gov? I know people in both. Not to name drop but I was with Johnny Mercer last night, but I digress.

Allow me to remind you Moby, the topic here is: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 24, 2018, 03:29:50 PM

I know Cantonese Chinese, better..

Perhaps you should read some Clavell to understand how many Chinese view us....'Barbarians'...

Exactly how much Cantonese do you know?  "lei sik m sik yei ah, lei pok gai."  You can't even order tea and egg tarts for dim sum.

Clavell's Tai pan was written 60 years ago old man.  About as old as as your antiquated thinking regarding Asians.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 25, 2018, 01:22:34 AM

Exactly how much Cantonese do you know?  "lei sik m sik yei ah, lei pok gai."  You can't even order tea and egg tarts for dim sum.



Sting23,

Unlike you - I'm not ethnically Chinese and - of course - you know far more.. 

Last time I checked this was Russian Ukrainian adventures and I CERTAINLY know more about these places than you or Manny


Clavell's Tai pan was written 60 years ago old man.  About as old as as your antiquated thinking regarding Asians.

The prevailing attitude to 'barbarians' by the 'civilised people' is no longer ? 

Look, sting23 - before you were a twinkle in ma and pa's eyes I was experiencing what you think I wasn't ... 


This is your continued fibbing mantra
 


Ahh politically right of centre? You? About as right of centre as Michael Foot I'd say.

Who I've met in real life - over dinner  - with Jeremy Clarkson at Anne Robinson's house ...  would you say Clarkson was a 'leftie' ?   


It is YOU that constantly repeats my voting habits - even though I've only ever voted Tory ... So, who's the fibber ? 



You'll note I predicted above you'd say similar. If you happen to be in Hong Kong, Dongguan, Guangdong or Guangzhou in October, I'll buy you a cup of tea. 

You just recalled what I've posted or told you ... and I think I'll be in Shenzhen around that time - depends on when I take delivery of a batch of pre-production prototypes ( hopefully next week)   I'd love to have a cup o tea with you - you can meet a couple of Russians I'll be with - they read your forum with interest ;)

 

I don't boast of my contacts in govt as when they don't listen to one's 'campaigns'  - it looks like they don't regard one as serious.....

Should I guess what this blathering is or who its about? Is this me? Is this Russian gov or UK gov? I know people in both. Not to name drop but I was with Johnny Mercer last night, but I digress.

1/ I had to look up Johnny Mercer

2/ I refer to your campaign re easier RU VISAs in the UK for those married to RU nationals - but we both knew that

Allow me to remind you Moby, the topic here is: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?

Have you ever had a Chinese g/f ? ;)


Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: yankee on June 25, 2018, 10:40:10 AM
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's I find it humorous reading "our" china experts!
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 25, 2018, 10:52:55 AM
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's

You should have introduced yourself..

Care to share where you opinion diverges?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
The celebrity chat has been moved. .

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=27327.0 (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=27327.0)
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: AvHdB on June 25, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's

You should have introduced yourself..

Care to share where you opinion diverges?

My suspicion is with over 1,000 posts Yankee does not need to introduce himself. Moby you are almost as bad as your new best boyfriend Mr. Decepetion. Please try to be a little less argybargy.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Scampo on June 25, 2018, 11:09:54 PM
As a fairly long term Asia resident, I'll add my tuppence.

Mainland and un-westernised Chinese girls: in the main, don't go there.  The gender imbalance caused by the one child policy means females are holding all the dating power.  Women from larger cities tend to be transactional.  Women from smaller cities can be a better bet, but family traditions mean you'll be expected to support the extended family forever, and the demands will never cease. The cultural incompatibilities are a minefield.  They don't pick up English well.  Gold digger attitudes are rife.  Many Chinese men are looking abroad to Vietnam and so on, as they are finding the odds are stacked against them back home. YMMV but it's a roulette and the house odds are working against a happy union.

Mainland but westernised Chinese girls - as in, live in PRC but have lived and been educated abroad.  Can be fine but your odds are no better than looking for a westernised Asian at home.  Why not just go to Vancouver or your nearest Chinese diaspora hotspot to look?  You'll also get access to Hong Kong and Hainanese background girls.

Taiwanese girls - I really like Taiwan and Taiwanese culture.  It's highly compatible with Western mores, and some of the coolest people I've ever met are from Taiwan.  Their women are pretty.  They all speak English.  Family is still important but it's less transactional.  Meeting one online may hard.  I am sure there are normal dating websites.  Taipei is a damned cool place to spend time anyway.

Singapore and Hong Kong girls - both good cultures to marry into, westernised, many are Christian if that's important to you.  A little bit entitled, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  These are wealthy countries and the girls don't have a gold-digger attitude - but they will only choose a man with wealth in the first place.  It's a given.  Hong Kong women tend to be prettier and curvier.  Singapore women tend to have flat feet and walk badly in heels, which may be partly genetic, and partly related to the hot hot climate that means they wear flip-flops through childhood with no instep support.

Indonesian women are the prettiest for me, in Asia.  They are curvy yet petite, and lots of fun - but any sensible chap knows, one needs to be careful when dating in developing countries. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 26, 2018, 06:06:24 AM

Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's

Quote from: moby
You should have introduced yourself..

Care to share where you opinion diverges?

Quote from: AvHdB
My suspicion is with over 1,000 posts Yankee does not need to introduce himself. Moby you are almost as bad as your new best boyfriend Mr. Decepetion. Please try to be a little less argybargy. [/size][/font]

Dear AvHdb

I MEANT introducing himself when we were in HK....
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: yankee on June 26, 2018, 06:28:37 AM
As a fairly long term Asia resident, I'll add my tuppence.

Mainland and un-westernised Chinese girls: in the main, don't go there.  The gender imbalance caused by the one child policy means females are holding all the dating power.  Women from larger cities tend to be transactional.  Women from smaller cities can be a better bet, but family traditions mean you'll be expected to support the extended family forever, and the demands will never cease. The cultural incompatibilities are a minefield.  They don't pick up English well.  Gold digger attitudes are rife.  Many Chinese men are looking abroad to Vietnam and so on, as they are finding the odds are stacked against them back home. YMMV but it's a roulette and the house odds are working against a happy union.

Mainland but westernised Chinese girls - as in, live in PRC but have lived and been educated abroad.  Can be fine but your odds are no better than looking for a westernised Asian at home.  Why not just go to Vancouver or your nearest Chinese diaspora hotspot to look?  You'll also get access to Hong Kong and Hainanese background girls.

Taiwanese girls - I really like Taiwan and Taiwanese culture.  It's highly compatible with Western mores, and some of the coolest people I've ever met are from Taiwan.  Their women are pretty.  They all speak English.  Family is still important but it's less transactional.  Meeting one online may hard.  I am sure there are normal dating websites.  Taipei is a damned cool place to spend time anyway.

Singapore and Hong Kong girls - both good cultures to marry into, westernised, many are Christian if that's important to you.  A little bit entitled, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  These are wealthy countries and the girls don't have a gold-digger attitude - but they will only choose a man with wealth in the first place.  It's a given.  Hong Kong women tend to be prettier and curvier.  Singapore women tend to have flat feet and walk badly in heels, which may be partly genetic, and partly related to the hot hot climate that means they wear flip-flops through childhood with no instep support.

Indonesian women are the prettiest for me, in Asia.  They are curvy yet petite, and lots of fun - but any sensible chap knows, one needs to be careful when dating in developing countries.


Not so sure about Indonesian women (lived there for awhile) but I would agree with the rest.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 26, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
As a fairly long term Asia resident, I'll add my tuppence.

Mainland and un-westernised Chinese girls: in the main, don't go there.  The gender imbalance caused by the one child policy means females are holding all the dating power.  Women from larger cities tend to be transactional.  Women from smaller cities can be a better bet, but family traditions mean you'll be expected to support the extended family forever, and the demands will never cease. The cultural incompatibilities are a minefield.  They don't pick up English well.  Gold digger attitudes are rife.  Many Chinese men are looking abroad to Vietnam and so on, as they are finding the odds are stacked against them back home. YMMV but it's a roulette and the house odds are working against a happy union.

Mainland but westernised Chinese girls - as in, live in PRC but have lived and been educated abroad.  Can be fine but your odds are no better than looking for a westernised Asian at home.  Why not just go to Vancouver or your nearest Chinese diaspora hotspot to look?  You'll also get access to Hong Kong and Hainanese background girls.

Taiwanese girls - I really like Taiwan and Taiwanese culture.  It's highly compatible with Western mores, and some of the coolest people I've ever met are from Taiwan.  Their women are pretty.  They all speak English.  Family is still important but it's less transactional.  Meeting one online may hard.  I am sure there are normal dating websites.  Taipei is a damned cool place to spend time anyway.

Singapore and Hong Kong girls - both good cultures to marry into, westernised, many are Christian if that's important to you.  A little bit entitled, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  These are wealthy countries and the girls don't have a gold-digger attitude - but they will only choose a man with wealth in the first place.  It's a given.  Hong Kong women tend to be prettier and curvier.  Singapore women tend to have flat feet and walk badly in heels, which may be partly genetic, and partly related to the hot hot climate that means they wear flip-flops through childhood with no instep support.

Indonesian women are the prettiest for me, in Asia.  They are curvy yet petite, and lots of fun - but any sensible chap knows, one needs to be careful when dating in developing countries.

That's very interesting input to what I think will become a growing subject here.   tiphat

What is your perception of South Koreans or Vietnamese?

And may I ask, why do you think you have found such differences between Taiwanese and mainland Chinese? I'd have expected they were pretty much the same but happy to be educated.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Scampo on June 26, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
SK - I've never been there.  I know many South Koreans here in SG and I know several happy unions between westerners and Korean women.  SK is quite a feminist society and anecdotally, their women can be ball-breakers.  On the other hand, they can also be drop-dead gorgeous.

Vietnam - I spend a lot of time there.  Wonderful place to visit, but I don't trust Vietnamese at all.  Their cultural attitude to money in relationships is er...well let's just say "transactional".  It's one of the most corrupt societies in the world, and in the rural areas, one of the poorest still.  They have zero concept of the values of openness, trust, honesty and transparency.  I have seen dozens of first-hand reports of disastrous marriages to Vietnamese.  I think a Chinese guy may have the cultural nous to tame one of these women, but a westerner could get turned into mincemeat.  Furthermore, you'll be supporting an extended family for life.  The sole purpose of having children in some Asian societies was historically to support you in your dotage.  It's changing in the urban areas, but slowly.  Great caution advised.

Taiwan has some major cultural differences from PRC.  For a start, although Mandarin is universally spoken, most people are more comfortable in non-Mandarin dialects (Hokkien, Hakka) which gives them a distinct cultural identity and makes them "feel" different to mainland Chinese.  Incidentally, Hokkien is mutually unintelligible with Mandarin so is best described as a language rather than a dialect.  A comparison may be an Englishman trying to understand Dutch.  The occasional word will make sense, but you sure as heck can't have a conversation.

Taiwan is a lot more westernised, has been historically less insular, and has longstanding business links with the USA and Europe.  Taiwan has a lot more links to the west in terms of people being educated abroad, links to overseas diasporas and so on.  Case in point: it's virtually impossible to do business in China as the white guy these days.  They can even be openly hostile to foreigners.  In Taiwan, they welcome doing business with foreigners.  As such, Taiwan should be seen more like a semi-Chinese, partly westernised "China-lite" environment, a bit like HK or Singapore, although not to the same extent.  A huge amount of Taiwanese have family links to HK and SG, too, which gives them exposure to more diverse culture often from an early age.



Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on June 28, 2018, 12:31:16 AM
So which country is best for dating if you're a middle class american looking for an honest woman without many headaches?

And for tourism, is SE Asia still affordable or did that change? 

I'm also curious why Cupid Media has a site for Japanese women.  Given the good economy, I wouldn't think they would be willing to relocate. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 28, 2018, 01:57:52 AM
America
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: rosco on June 28, 2018, 02:58:01 AM
America

You got in before me!!  :laugh:

I know it’s not exactly the answer you wanted Omega but rationally this is absolutely true. During my journey which I’ve written about before, things just worked out and I’m happily married. I loved the adventure and my life is richer for the experience.

If things were to change and I started over, I’d not look abroad again partly because it’s a long cut but there’s also plenty opportunity for me where I live. Sometimes you can’t find what you’re looking for because you’re staring at it.

Maybe I’m lucky in that I travel a lot with work, meet lots of people and possibilities seem vast. However, joining dance classes, gym classes or in fact any kind of mixed group where you regularly get together with new people, really opens up the window of chance.

I guess your question was, which country outside the US is best these days.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 03:01:38 AM
If you are American and want an Asian woman you are better off just finding one locally.  California, New York has a large population of them.  Any large city will have plenty of choice.

Depending on your age range though it may be hard to date them.  Asians 30 or under born or raised in the USA speak perfect English and are westernized.  They will date only their peers, not some dude 10-20 yrs older, unless it's a sugar daddy arrangement.  The younger generation that immigrated over tend to be well to do, if they are going to school here.  Or their intention is to get educated and return to their home country.

Forget Japan, South Korea.  No girl there is going to marry a foreigner and leave their home country.  There isn't much incentive.  China is a better option, far more women there and they are more open to dating outside their race.

For most Asians they prefer to marry within their ethnic group.  Yes there are interracial marriages now but they are still in the minority.

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 28, 2018, 03:18:48 AM
Omega, if, after all this time of 'seriously' looking for a wife you find yourself asking this kind of question then the reason that you are not married is not about the women you meet, or fantasize about.

The reason you are not married is looking at you every time you look in the mirror. So, get yourself sorted out - go on a diet, get your career on track, get a social life in your hometown and I bet that you find a great life partner in short order.

If a man can not find a woman who suits him from a population of over 300 million then adding a billion or two more candidates will not solve the problem because the problem isn't the women.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 03:38:59 AM
Omega, you are from Miami?!  Tons of Russians there and also Latinas... I see you started posting in 2011, did you go to Russia between then and now?

I was working in Moscow last year.  No shortage of young ladies to keep one's company. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on June 28, 2018, 03:57:40 AM
Omega, if, after all this time of 'seriously' looking for a wife you find yourself asking this kind of question then the reason that you are not married is not about the women you meet, or fantasize about.

The reason you are not married is looking at you every time you look in the mirror. So, get yourself sorted out - go on a diet, get your career on track, get a social life in your hometown and I bet that you find a great life partner in short order.

If a man can not find a woman who suits him from a population of over 300 million then adding a billion or two more candidates will not solve the problem because the problem isn't the women.[/b]

Then may I ask what is the purpose of this forum? 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on June 28, 2018, 03:58:20 AM
Omega, you are from Miami?!  Tons of Russians there and also Latinas... I see you started posting in 2011, did you go to Russia between then and now?

I was working in Moscow last year.  No shortage of young ladies to keep one's company.


Yes, Russia is a lot of fun, also most of Europe. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Omega1982 on June 28, 2018, 03:59:43 AM
Andrew if you've been to Asia perhaps you could contribute some concrete advice. 

I was also asking about the prices in SE Asia for traveling. 

I also like to travel, not just hunt for a wife. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: andrewfi on June 28, 2018, 04:54:24 AM
The best advice I can offer is that which you already have.

Right now you don't even know how to frame the issues you face.

You did not ask about the cost of travel in South East Asia but if that is something you need information on then I'd start by looking at Booking.com and Expedia but to get to a point of budgeting for your travel you could do with sorting out your itinerary because otherwise everything is too open ended to be able to make concrete choices.

Oddly enough, the issue that can be identified in respect of how you arrange your vacation time seems to be equally applicable to your search for a life partner.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 07:02:46 AM

Then may I ask what is the purpose of this forum?

Omega, I skimmed through a few of your earlier posts.  You've been here since 2011 and did a few trips to Belarus, Russia.

It seemed like you didn't have much luck with the girls there. Just saying, 7 years is a long time to still be at first base.  Asia may be good, depends on if you have an interest in the culture and can pick up the language.  I have lived in Hong Kong and Korea and been to China, Thailand. 

All the info about travel can be found on Google. 

andrewfi may be blunt but true.  After doing a few trips you should have some experience with what girls like and what they want from you.

You speak Spanish right, you don't like Latinas?  I never dated any as there are none in my city but all the famous ones I know are very attractive.  Sophia Vergara, Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayak, Jessica Alba..what's not to like?

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Jerash on June 28, 2018, 08:06:16 AM
Japan anecdote. A long time ago I met a Brit who had lived and worked in Japan and had a serious relationship with a local girl there.

Eventually, he proposed marriage to her. She had to ask her parents and and the parents said no to marrying a foreigner. And that was the end of it.

He left Japan broken-hearted.


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Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: msmoby on June 28, 2018, 08:27:25 AM
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: yankee on June 28, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
Japan anecdote. A long time ago I met a Brit who had lived and worked in Japan and had a serious relationship with a local girl there.

Eventually, he proposed marriage to her. She had to ask her parents and and the parents said no to marrying a foreigner. And that was the end of it.

He left Japan broken-hearted.



My first wife was Japanese.  Her father disowned her when he found out we were going to get married.  Over time we were able to change his mind.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 28, 2018, 10:30:35 AM

My first wife was Japanese.  Her father disowned her when he found out we were going to get married.  Over time we were able to change his mind.

My brother married a Japanese girl. Her family disowned her until the grandkid's
started arriving, then they recanted.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 28, 2018, 01:26:35 PM
SK - I've never been there.  I know many South Koreans here in SG and I know several happy unions between westerners and Korean women.  SK is quite a feminist society and anecdotally, their women can be ball-breakers.  On the other hand, they can also be drop-dead gorgeous.

Vietnam - I spend a lot of time there.  Wonderful place to visit, but I don't trust Vietnamese at all.  Their cultural attitude to money in relationships is er...well let's just say "transactional".  It's one of the most corrupt societies in the world, and in the rural areas, one of the poorest still.  They have zero concept of the values of openness, trust, honesty and transparency.  I have seen dozens of first-hand reports of disastrous marriages to Vietnamese.  I think a Chinese guy may have the cultural nous to tame one of these women, but a westerner could get turned into mincemeat.  Furthermore, you'll be supporting an extended family for life.  The sole purpose of having children in some Asian societies was historically to support you in your dotage.  It's changing in the urban areas, but slowly.  Great caution advised.

Taiwan has some major cultural differences from PRC.  For a start, although Mandarin is universally spoken, most people are more comfortable in non-Mandarin dialects (Hokkien, Hakka) which gives them a distinct cultural identity and makes them "feel" different to mainland Chinese.  Incidentally, Hokkien is mutually unintelligible with Mandarin so is best described as a language rather than a dialect.  A comparison may be an Englishman trying to understand Dutch.  The occasional word will make sense, but you sure as heck can't have a conversation.

Taiwan is a lot more westernised, has been historically less insular, and has longstanding business links with the USA and Europe.  Taiwan has a lot more links to the west in terms of people being educated abroad, links to overseas diasporas and so on.  Case in point: it's virtually impossible to do business in China as the white guy these days.  They can even be openly hostile to foreigners.  In Taiwan, they welcome doing business with foreigners.  As such, Taiwan should be seen more like a semi-Chinese, partly westernised "China-lite" environment, a bit like HK or Singapore, although not to the same extent.  A huge amount of Taiwanese have family links to HK and SG, too, which gives them exposure to more diverse culture often from an early age.


I've never experienced any hostility in China, but I have tended to stick to one part of it where they see foreigners so that may not be typical.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Manny on June 28, 2018, 01:29:00 PM
Japan anecdote. A long time ago I met a Brit who had lived and worked in Japan and had a serious relationship with a local girl there.

Eventually, he proposed marriage to her. She had to ask her parents and and the parents said no to marrying a foreigner. And that was the end of it.

He left Japan broken-hearted.

That used to happen in Russia too. It may still do.

Thailand. 

Lots of Finns and other Scandinavians married to them. Dutch too. They seem a popular export.

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 03:04:11 PM
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?

so what?  sample size of ONE.  newer generation are more open minded.  your stepson is probably under 30.  Most guys examples here are referring to older men.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 03:09:05 PM

 Case in point: it's virtually impossible to do business in China as the white guy these days.  They can even be openly hostile to foreigners.  In Taiwan, they welcome doing business with foreigners.


Not the case at all.  A good buddy of my works in Shanghai, he's a white guy.  Been there 10 years now.  Lots of foreigners coming, trying to set up shop to tap into the Chinese market.  People are coming around to capitalism now.

And especially in HK where they were under British rule for over 100 years.  there was a huge group of UK expats in the 80's 90's before the handover. 

Howard Schultz of Starbucks did an interview in China recently. BIG business there:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBKL9752NWw
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: yankee on June 28, 2018, 03:23:59 PM
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?

so what?  sample size of ONE.  newer generation are more open minded.  your stepson is probably under 30.  Most guys examples here are referring to older men.


I was 22 and my wife was 20.  I was stationed there.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 03:44:29 PM

I was 22 and my wife was 20.  I was stationed there.

yes my point..the guys who's wife/girl had parents who disapproved probably were older.

The Japanese are a deeply traditional culture,  big emphasis is on customs and conformity.  More than Chinese.  Although once they immigrate and adopt western mindset they open up.

There was a large immigrant settlement of Japanese in my city after WW2.  In my high school I knew many 1/2 Japanese/white kids. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Jerash on June 28, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?

so what?  sample size of ONE.  newer generation are more open minded.  your stepson is probably under 30.  Most guys examples here are referring to older men.

Dude man, his step son is getting married to a "Japanese lass".  Didn't you know his other step son is getting married to a Taiwanese, his step daughter to a Malaysian, his estranged daughter to a Singaporean, his other estranged daughter to an Uzbek, his third cousin to a North Korean, his second Cousin to a Tajdzik....  Didn't you know that Moby has you covered on every base?????  This guy is a god man, he knows everything and already has every experience.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Jerash on June 28, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?

Sure Moby it got to be like white noise.  Tell me, which princling are you meeting tomorrow?  And which King next week?

By the way, normal people with great lives don't constantly talk about them, especially on forums.  You are clearly compensating for a lot and psychology says that most of what you say is a big fat lie.  Actually, just to look at all your claims suggests massive lies.  Certainly no one got so far by just regurgitating what the Guardian and BBC told them every day.  You are unbelievable.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on June 28, 2018, 07:34:06 PM
Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these!  :laugh:

The Vapors - ‘Turning Japanese’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR4XNqrqxrU
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Well due to imperialist Japan and their attacks/colonization on China, Taiwan Korea, there is deep hatred between Japanese and Chinese/Korean. 

So make sure you don't lump them into one group. 
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Donhollio on June 28, 2018, 09:45:01 PM
 Japs see themselves as the superior Asian. All others are well beneath them in all aspects of life. They still can't owe up to their atrocities of the 20th century. Who wants that mindset with a spouse?
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Scampo on June 28, 2018, 10:50:56 PM
Quote

Not the case at all.  A good buddy of my works in Shanghai, he's a white guy.  Been there 10 years now.  Lots of foreigners coming, trying to set up shop to tap into the Chinese market.  People are coming around to capitalism now.

And especially in HK where they were under British rule for over 100 years.  there was a huge group of UK expats in the 80's 90's before the handover. 

Howard Schultz of Starbucks did an interview in China recently. BIG business there:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBKL9752NWw

HK's not the same as PRC and is still very friendly to westerners.  In fact, a Mandarin speaking mainlander is likely to get a much cooler reception than a Brit, in business.  Hong Kongers are furious with the mainlander politics and attitudes.

You just gotta take it from me that mainland China is comparatively hostile to foreigners these days.  I'm here, and I see.  MNCs are wising up to the fact that they need to hire locals as opposed to importing expats.
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 28, 2018, 11:22:02 PM

HK's not the same as PRC and is still very friendly to westerners.  In fact, a Mandarin speaking mainlander is likely to get a much cooler reception than a Brit, in business.  Hong Kongers are furious with the mainlander politics and attitudes.

You just gotta take it from me that mainland China is comparatively hostile to foreigners these days.  I'm here, and I see.  MNCs are wising up to the fact that they need to hire locals as opposed to importing expats.

Yes I know about HK, my family is from there.  They have a huge anti-China bias as they see Beijing trying to control them. They feel Mandarin is being imposed on them and so they don't like it, hence all the protests in recent years.

What city are you in now? 

Many overseas Chinese born abroad are returning to China for work.  They have the advantage of having native English and also fluent Chinese.  With a western education and knowledge of the culture...
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on June 28, 2018, 11:53:17 PM
Just thought of another one...

David Bowie - ‘China Girl’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8IXx4tsus
Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 29, 2018, 04:16:23 AM
Dude man, his step son is getting married to a "Japanese lass".  Didn't you know his other step son is getting married to a Taiwanese, his step daughter to a Malay...  Didn't you know that Moby has you covered on every base?????  This guy is a god man, he knows everything and already has every experience.

if moby's dog was a German shepherd he would claim he speaks German to him!!

I called him out on his "my Cantonese Chinese is better" and as usual he couldn't even utter 2 words.  He couldn't tell the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin.

he spends half a year in Russia recently and can't even speak a proper sentence in Russian.

dude calls me a "fibber" and is caught red handed about his supposed language abilities.

moby who are your so called Chinese "connections" in high places?  You speak no Mandarin and offer no tangible benefit to them, another stretching of the truth...

Title: Re: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Post by: Guile on June 29, 2018, 04:23:22 AM
back to the thread topic....if you want a Chinese woman just find one in your own city or country.  There is mass Chinese diaspora all over North America and Europe.  If they grew up in your country all the better as they would speak English and know the culture.

Ones from HK and Taiwan tend to be more progressive thinking and adaptable.  The nouveau riche from the mainland coming to my city now are highly arrogant and even the other Chinese groups think poorly of them.