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Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine, Belarus & FSU => Ask a Russian Speaking Lady - Спроси у русской леди => Topic started by: FredHill on September 19, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
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... because the number of FSU women who are desperate to emigrate is a fraction of what it was in the 90s.
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Fred the problem with your idea is that if a beautiful, young FSUW married an older western man she'd be obligated to move to his country. Fred let's face it no one from the west wants to immigrate to Russia/Ukraine or the 'stans and live there with his new wife.
This would mean interrupting her education so that she can learn English (or language of her new country), take time to get settled in her new country, go through immigration process when she can't work or go to school, etc, etc. All these additional factors would add years to her the time she requires to get her university degree. Add in other complicating factors such as children, inlaws, etc and she could add years more to her time in university.
Fred there is some good news. If you're old and have money it should be easy enough for you to find a beautiful young Russian/Ukrainian lover. My understanding is many are quite smart and realize if there is a large enough age difference AND the husband has a high enough net worth marriage is a good idea because the chances are he'll die early enough to leave the wife a rich relatively young widow. Something to keep in mind if you are old have money and are considering chasing the young women in the FSU. :laugh:
Edit: Just a final word of advice. IMHO, if you want to up your chances of getting the attentions of a lovely young FSUW you really need to learn Russian to at least the conversational level. It can only help you if you can carry on a conversation in her language.
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
Great idea, gentlemens - grandfathers! :party0031:
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Great idea, gentlemens - grandfathers!
Uh, I'm not that old, Anna.
...if a beautiful, young FSUW married an older western man she'd be obligated to move to his country. Fred let's face it no one from the west wants to immigrate to Russia/Ukraine or the 'stans and live there with his new wife.
Not necessarily. I'd be fine, relocating to the East once I've tied up all my loose ends out here.
This would mean interrupting her education so that she can learn English (or language of her new country), take time to get settled in her new country, go through immigration process when she can't work or go to school, etc, etc.
I think you've been misinformed, WestCoast. According to my sources, many of these women are working in Asian tourist centers, saving up the money they need to complete their education. In short, they've already left their homelands and undergone the difficulties associated with visa, immigration and so on. If they're willing to go to such lengths already, why not just marry some old geezer who's willing to pay their university expenses? I mean, the guy may not be Tom Cruise, but if he's kind, decent and generous, marriage would have to be preferable to prostitution.
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... because the number of FSU women who are desperate to emigrate is a fraction of what it was in the 90s.
Yes, I understand that, Tom, but why are so many young women going into the foreign sex trade? Is it preferable to old-fashioned marriage?
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
Fred-you are making an underlying presumption that there is are large numbers doing this. As a percentage it is miniscule who finish up in the sex industry. You write as if this is the rule-not a tiny exception.
Secondly-- you show zero understanding of Ukrainian women generally.
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Some of the women are forced into the industry. Some may enjoy the freedom or the sense of empowerment. Most probably make more money in the sex industry than they would with an old geezer.
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...if a beautiful, young FSUW married an older western man she'd be obligated to move to his country. Fred let's face it no one from the west wants to immigrate to Russia/Ukraine or the 'stans and live there with his new wife.
Not necessarily. I'd be fine, relocating to the East once I've tied up all my loose ends out here.
Fred you'd be one of the very few then. Never spent time in Russia. However spent lots of time in China and I'm close enough to 60 to be considered old. I'd not want to be a senior and have to rely on the medical treatment available outside of Moscow or St. Pete.
This would mean interrupting her education so that she can learn English (or language of her new country), take time to get settled in her new country, go through immigration process when she can't work or go to school, etc, etc.
I think you've been misinformed, WestCoast. According to my sources, many of these women are working in Asian tourist centers, saving up the money they need to complete their education. In short, they've already left their homelands and undergone the difficulties associated with visa, immigration and so on. If they're willing to go to such lengths already, why not just marry some old geezer who's willing to pay their university expenses? I mean, the guy may not be Tom Cruise, but if he's kind, decent and generous, marriage would have to be preferable to prostitution.
True there are a fair number of FSUW in places like Thailand also the Middle East but they're a different type of woman than most western men want to marry. Also the methods of entry into these countries, if voluntary, is simply tourist or working visas that would be easily obtained by just about anyone, then simply overstay the visa. No need for an extensive education or even learning a new language.
By comparison finding a suitable rich western man could take several years. Finding a suitable agency or agencies, placing ads, sorting through possible suitors, if there are any takes time. Is he nice or a psychopath? Will he visit or does he just like to chat? Is he a sex tourist? How long will the immigration process take? How rich is he? How does she know his net worth? How does she dump him after he's paid for her education? All Americans are violent and have guns it says so on Russian TV, how can she ask for a divorce and survive? These are just a few of the questions a FSUW might have to ask herself if she decides to take your route for financing her education.
In probably less time, if done voluntarily, a FSUW could earn enough money to pay for her education and start to a new life via the sex trade in the Middle East or Asia. To you and me a disagreeable way to earn a living but perhaps acceptable to someone with lower life expectations.
Also many of those women may be there against their will. The media is full of sex trade stories of abducted FSUW being traded on the Asian/Middle East sex trade market. An interesting topic to hypothesize about but I don't think I'd want any woman to have to make either choice.
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Another thought. How many strippers have you heard say they are trying to pay their way through college? Just about all of them, while in reality very few actually are. It is a cover and pity story to get a couple extra bucks.
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Some of the women are forced into the industry.
I'm not talking about human trafficking. The articles I read stated that these women were going into the Asian sex trade for financial reasons and of their own free will.
Some may enjoy the freedom or the sense of empowerment.
Most women find prostitution a degrading and humiliating experience. This is particularly true in conservative cultures such as Russia or Ukraine.
Most probably make more money in the sex industry than they would with an old geezer.
That's a very cynical view indeed. I was under the impression that Eastern women were more family-oriented in their objectives.
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Ukrainian society is not conservative.
As for why? Why would laying under an old geezer your father's age or older, cooking his meals, cleaning for him, and dealing with his family, be a preferable choice? It is still prostitution, just in a different form.
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Some may enjoy the freedom or the sense of empowerment.
Most women find prostitution a degrading and humiliating experience. This is particularly true in conservative cultures such as Russia or Ukraine.
I would agree with you that most women anywhere in the world would see it this way. But how do those who choose this trade see it? Interesting study on high end Russian prostitutes.
"High end prostitution among Russians is socially accepted and often encouraged by women's parents and spouses; the money earned through prostitution allows for upward social mobility and increased social status."
http://research.berkeley.edu/stronach/winners.php?page=Katya_Moiseeva&group=2011&cid=f1 (http://research.berkeley.edu/stronach/winners.php?page=Katya_Moiseeva&group=2011&cid=f1)
Most probably make more money in the sex industry than they would with an old geezer.
That's a very cynical view indeed. I was under the impression that Eastern women were more family-oriented in their objectives.
Eastern European women are all different. Generally I would agree many are more family oriented, but you have women of all sorts just like anywhere. If a woman can make $300 per hour several times a day five days a week that is much more than most husbands hand their wives in cash. Toss in free vacations, expensive shoes and a few high end customers and it is a much different lifestyle than a middle class American can provide. Not having to deal with all the nonsense Halo points out make it an easy decision for some.
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Is he nice or a psychopath?
Plenty of psychopaths in the Asian sex trade. Prostitution has always been a dangerous profession. I have difficulty believing that working in the sex industry would be significantly safer than getting married.
How does she dump him after he's paid for her education?
Again, that's a highly cynical position to take. Not being critical here, but do you view all women as manipulative and avaricious?
there are a fair number of FSUW in places like Thailand also the Middle East but they're a different type of woman than most western men want to marry.
What type is that? Poor? Confused? Alone?
Again, if that's the case, I'd still argue that marriage would offer greater benefits than prostitution.
Also many of those women may be there against their will. The media is full of sex trade stories of abducted FSUW being traded on the Asian/Middle East sex trade market.
As stated above, I'm not talking about human trafficking. I'm referring specifically to women who go into the foreign sex trade under their own volition and understanding all the risks.
I'd not want to be a senior and have to rely on the medical treatment available outside of Moscow or St. Pete.
Your meaning is a little unclear here. In my long experience as an international traveler, I've always found medical and general living costs far cheaper than in my homeland.
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Ukrainian society is not conservative.
It's far more conservative than the West. That's one of the reasons why jaded American males are so desperate to latch onto Ukrainian women as potential life partners.
As for why? Why would laying under an old geezer your father's age or older, cooking his meals, cleaning for him, and dealing with his family, be a preferable choice? It is still prostitution, just in a different form.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Sharing your life and home with someone who honestly cares about you is not prostitution.
Also, why do you assume that the male is looking for a domestic slave? In the real world, the majority of Western men are willing to fulfill an equal share of the responsibilities. Not kidding.
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Ukrainian society is not conservative.
It's far more conservative than the West. That's one of the reasons why jaded American males are so desperate to latch onto Ukrainian women as potential life partners.
No it isn't. I lived there. My better half is from Ukraine. The roles of men/women are more defined, but it is less conservative than the West, in most social matters, at least, less conservative than North America.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Sharing your life and home with someone who honestly cares about you is not prostitution.
It is if you don't love them.
Also, why do you assume that the male is looking for a domestic slave? In the real world, the majority of Western men are willing to fulfill an equal share of the responsibilities. Not kidding.
Both my anecdotal observations, and studies indicate you are mistaken.
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Not having to deal with all the nonsense Halo points out make it an easy decision for some.
The operant word here is some. As you pointed out, not all women are the same, which means that not all women are greedy and materialistic. I can't really comment on the Berkley report, but the sources I consulted said that Russian uni students are going into prostitution out of desperation, not for "free vacations" or "expensive shoes". If this was all about wealth and lifestyle, they wouldn't bother going back to university. On the contrary; most of these women only want to make enough money to pay their living expenses throughout their college years, so that they can settle down into a more "normal" life after they graduate. Certainly, they don't want their families to know how they made their income during their time abroad. No matter how "high end" the customers are, working in a Thai (or Middle east) bordello is still prostitution, and I seriously doubt these women boast about it to their friends and relatives.
No, I'd still argue that marriage to a generous, good-natured older guy would be more beneficial than selling their bodies to complete strangers.
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I have never heard of women doing this in Ukraine amongst any of my wife's friends to be honest. Not that they would admit to it if they did, but I seriously doubt it. It is not like the fall of the Soviet Union anymore. I am sure it may exist, I just have never heard of it.
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Higher education in Ukraine, and AFAIK, in Russia, is free, or very heavily subsidized. The Russian government even pays the tuitions of graduate students who enroll in elite Western or Chinese universities, provided they return to Russia at the end of their studies. Therefore, there is no need for FSUW to work as a prostitutes to fund their educations.
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it is less conservative than the West, in most social matters, at least, less conservative than North America.
Please elaborate on this. For example, does Ukrainian society promote gay rights and lesbian marriage? Is unmarried motherhood considered an acceptable option to heterosexual parenthood? Is racial diversity encouraged amongst the general population? Do women have equal status with men in big business, federal government, the military and the police? Has the Ukrainian legal system outlawed hate speech, fascism and human rights abuses? If you can answer "yes" to each of these questions, I'll accept that Ukrainian culture is less conservative than the West.
It is if you don't love them.
Well, clearly, nobody should share their life and home with someone they don't care for. Nor have I suggested anybody should.
Both my anecdotal observations, and studies indicate you are mistaken.
You mentioned previously that your "better half" is from Ukraine. Assuming you're male and she's female, do you treat her like a bonded servant?
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Please elaborate on this. For example, does Ukrainian society promote gay rights and lesbian marriage?
Does every US state?
I have an openly gay cousin in Kiev. He even flaunts it. He has no issues walking down the street, attending the opera with his lover, sitting in restaurants all over the city.
I remember being in a village in Cherkassy oblast with the better half once. A priest was visiting a man, and the villagers all stated the couple were lovers. It was matter of fact, no one cared.
Is unmarried motherhood considered an acceptable option to heterosexual parenthood?
If you knew anything about Ukraine, you would not ask such a silly question.
Is racial diversity encouraged amongst the general population?
Is it encouraged in America? African Americans commenting on blogs about racial profiling don't seem to believe so, nor do lots of comments by Westerners on Islam. Including on this very forum.
Do women have equal status with men in big business, federal government, the military and the police?
Do they in North America? There are a number of women in Ukraine in politics, and among the ranks of millionaires, although the attitude toward women is different.
Has the Ukrainian legal system outlawed hate speech, fascism and human rights abuses?
Human rights abuses are illegal, yes. Fascism is not, but it isn't outlawed in North America, either. Hate laws are undergoing a complete overhaul in my country, as it is found they don't work. But, these are not indications of a conservative society, merely a non PC one.
Well, clearly, nobody should share their life and home with someone they don't care for. Nor have I suggested anybody should.
Most young women don't want to marry men older than their fathers. No matter what other men, or dating agencies, tell you.
You mentioned previously that your "better half" is from Ukraine. Assuming you're male and she's female, do you treat her like a bonded servant?
Yes, we're into bondage.
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I have an openly gay cousin in Kiev. He even flaunts it.
You haven't really answered my question here, Halo. I didn't ask if homosexuality was accepted on an individual basis. I asked if gay rights and lesbian marriages were promoted within Ukraine society. Are any of your gay friends/relatives married? Can gay couples adopt children? If they can, then I'd say Ukraine is more liberal than the West in this regard.
If you knew anything about Ukraine, you would not ask such a silly question.
Well, to be honest, I don't know whether unmarried motherhood is considered an acceptable alternative in Ukraine. That's why I asked you. If the answer is "Yes", then again, I'd say that Ukraine is more liberal than the West.
RE: Racial diversity amongst the general population:
You gave no answer to this question, simply pointed out that the US has racial conflicts. So let me rephrase the question: is Ukraine more tolerant of interracial relationships than the United states? If yes, then I'd say that Ukraine is extremely advanced in respect to race relations.
There are a number of women in Ukraine in politics, and among the ranks of millionaires, although the attitude toward women is different.
What number are we talking here? Above 50 percent? How about in the military and police forces?
Human rights abuses are illegal, yes.
That's good to hear. However, it's unfortunate that there has also been a significant decrease in the observance of human rights since 2010 in Ukraine, as pointed out by Amnesty International.
Fascism is not (illegal), but it isn't outlawed in North America, either.
So, Ukraine is just as conservative as North America in this regard?
Hate laws are undergoing a complete overhaul in my country, as it is found they don't work. But, these are not indications of a conservative society, merely a non PC one.
Again, I have to disagree: unrestricted hate speech is one of the defining elements of both conservative and fascistic societies. Even the US, which prides itself on Constitutional Freedom of expression, has passed laws against hate speech. If the Ukraine is in the process of banning hate speech, I'd say that would be a benefit to society as a whole.
Most young women don't want to marry men older than their fathers.
I don't know that for fact, particularly considering that until the late 1950s, it was quite common for women to marry men considerably older than themselves (and for the most part, these weren't forced marriages either: women simply saw the advantages of marrying affluent and more experienced males). I think you're underestimating human nature if you claim that most people aren't capable of caring for an elder spouse.
Yes, we're into bondage.
OK, so you had personal reasons for seeking a submissive partner. However, not all western males share your sexual interests. Do you have any concrete evidence to support your claim that the majority of Western men view women as domestic servants rather than equals in the relationship?
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Fred-you are making an underlying presumption that there is are large numbers doing this. As a percentage it is miniscule who finish up in the sex industry. You write as if this is the rule-not a tiny exception.
Secondly-- you show zero understanding of Ukrainian women generally.
Actually Jay, I made no assumptions as to how many women are engaging in sex work - either Russian or Ukrainian - nor did I suggest that they be considered a majority. All I did was ask why attractive East European women would opt for prostitution when marriage to a financially stable older male could offer a solution to their economic problems.
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Fred-- you keep making wide based assertions as a fact. The "west" as generally acknowledged covers a lot of countries-- it is clear enough to me that you are referring to US based conservatism-- which is on the extreme end of the conservative scale .Eg-- US is far more conservative than Australia on relationship issues( and generally)
If you had said Ukrainian girls have a high degree of morality- then I would not be disputing that.
The problem you have here is with wide assertions gleaned from internet generalities is that it shows no comprehension of what you have READ !!
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Fred privet tiphat
In all due respect I think you are trolling sir. There's food for thought in this thread, and there has been some insightful considered posts, but it's far removed from any reality I can see.
Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
The answer is in your post. Seek and you'll find, it might take awhile though given the distance and language barrier :)
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
Working in the sex industry vs. marriage? Uhm, may be it was that retail has been less annoying than wholesale. :ROFL:
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Yes, I understand that, Tom, but why are so many young women going into the foreign sex trade? Is it preferable to old-fashioned marriage?
There were never a high percentage of FSUW who wanted older husbands. Some might
accept an older man but most always preferred a man close to their age.
The percentage of women in Russia who go into the sex trade is very small.
If I asked why do so many women in the USA go into the sex trade? you would
reply that most women in the USA would never consider going into the sex trade
and probably wouldn't make broad generalizations about US women based on the
few that do.
Go to a strip club and find out how many of the girls claim to be putting themselves
through college by stripping. Then ask them to see their student ID, or ask what
classes they are taking and you will find that 99% are lying and aren't students at
all.
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I have never asked girls in US strip clubs what they do for a living however I can say that over here, in more than one country, while some girls do use being a student as a convenient cover story, it is actually very often true. Back in the the days when the economy was not as strong here as it is now there was a noticeable influx of girls from the colleges and Tartu, the main university city, into Tallinn during the summer break. They were not working in strip clubs.
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... because the number of FSU women who are desperate to emigrate is a fraction of what it was in the 90s.
Yes, I understand that, Tom, but why are so many young women going into the foreign sex trade? Is it preferable to old-fashioned marriage?
In the first place, I think that the percentage of FSU girls in the sex trade is small. Even if they were plentiful, building a strategy around finding a sex worker, a would-be sex worker, or a girl who is willing to have sex with you as an alternative to being a sex worker isn't a good idea... unless you are indifferent to infidelity and the infections that often accompany it.
p.s.
Why did you write "anymore" as two words? Is that common in British English?
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Tom, I can't speak for others but 'any more' is two separate words. For example: "I don't want any more thank you." we can see it is two words because we can actually use both of them separately in the sentence. Conjoining the words does not alter the meaning of the two separate words.
And, yes, I know that people use this construction often enough for some to suggest it is a valid usage. On that basis, if enough people say that 2+2=5 then surely it will become true. File under the same heading as moot/mute and I could care less - incorrect and the result of lots of lazy thinking. ;)
Apparently New England is a New World bastion of correct usage wherein any & more are not conjoined. ;)
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
ummm Fred its fairly guaranteed your local strip club is full of young local women working their way through university,instead of marrying an older gentleman. sure its mostly a cover story,,but its often true as well -
Why would that be?
You'd have to ask them ,i'd assume its considered the better choice ,perhaps from it being short term, and more on their terms.
Keep in mind university is basically free in the parts of FSU you'd be looking and its not an attractive offer is it?
All that said i'm certain if setting up a business transaction /short term style marriage a man could find women of any nationality open to such if looking hard enough.
:hidechair:
But you would be delving in the murkiest waters of any given society ,is that what you aspire too?
The hooker with a heart gold ,ala Pretty Woman is a popular fairy tale in the FSU too, that doesnt change its simply a fairly tale.
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AJ, I don't know about the US but in this part of the world a strip club is often seen by both clients and workers as a kind of introduction agency, a matchmaker if you will.
The girls are often seeking a substantial upgrade in life and lifestyle and there's one thing that is always true of the clients who go to these places - they have disposable cash, they like the girls who work there and they tend to be 'generous' rather than greedy. For their part the girls tend to be attractive, sociable, often pretty bright and 'realistic' about the attainment of their personal goals.
Obviously only a minority of the clients are actively seeking a relationship but I can assure you that both sides do seem to find each other and I know from first hand of the reality of the situation, albeit that these days I count myself as a retiree from the pursuit of girls from strip bars. ;)
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Agreed in general Andrew,
both sides of the equation know what they want and how to go about getting it,
very few on either side would want a long term commitment of any kind ,monetary or lifestyle.
A small percent might, perhaps consider that arrangement , so it seems the OP would be looking at a incredibly small pool of individuals in any population, and within that would be hoping for the julia roberts character , of that subset?
Thats just far from reality.
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One of the more famous ladies who financed her post graduate studies by working as a call girl was Brooke Magnanti who published two best selling novels on her experiences under the pseudonym "Belle de Jour"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_Jour_%28writer%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_Jour_%28writer%29)
She obviously squared off her undeclared earnings with the Inland Revenue and now works as a journalist for the Daily Telegraph.
The motivational profiles of sex workers are vastly different to those of younger women who aspire to improve their lifestyle by marriage to a wealthy guy. To equate the two groups is simply stupid.
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AJ, my guess, from what I have read is that our hero could not pull off that kind of relationship.
As for the short term aspect, there I'd say that you were wrong. My experience has been that whilst there are short term flings, sponsorships etc. that the women are often happy to seek out long term relationships and the men do as well.
An acquaintance, before her own marriage and parenthood, ran a business planning and managing weddings. She was kept pretty busy by her work. Her clientele was very largely couples where the woman was an erotic dancer.
Les, there are all sorts of 'sex workers' and even more different types of people involved in sex work. There's plenty of married men and women, mothers and fathers, lovers and friends.
Perhaps there is a tendency among some to overlay 'home grown' cultural and social stereotypes over foreign situations and environments.
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Ukrainian society is not conservative.
It's far more conservative than the West. That's one of the reasons why jaded American males are so desperate to latch onto Ukrainian women as potential life partners.
As for why? Why would laying under an old geezer your father's age or older, cooking his meals, cleaning for him, and dealing with his family, be a preferable choice? It is still prostitution, just in a different form.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Sharing your life and home with someone who honestly cares about you is not prostitution.
Also, why do you assume that the male is looking for a domestic slave? In the real world, the majority of Western men are willing to fulfill an equal share of the responsibilities. Not kidding.
You've been to Ukraine then? Please enlighten us on the conservatism of Ukrainian women as compared to Western women. I am interested in the details.
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
Would you like, if you have a daughter/granddaughter marrying grandfathers?
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UW women do marry men a bit older than themselves ..but it isn't common.
When they do,of course there can be varied reasons, I'd assume for getting through a university among the very least likely.
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You mentioned previously that your "better half" is from Ukraine. Assuming you're male and she's female, do you treat her like a bonded servant?
Yes, we're into bondage.
tiphat :ROFL:
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
To cut to the point, why would older men want to marry younger girls when they want to study at University. Can't they wait till she finish her studying? She is not an object !!!
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Boris,
I think we can safely assume that the OP has no personal experience of any FSU country.
I disagree with the thread title "Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?"
IMHO roughly the same number of Russian/Ukrainian women have a sincere interest in marriage to an older man now as they did 10 - 15 years ago.
The number of young women seeking a donkey to transport them out of their dire economic circumstances has fallen substantially in recent years. There is no significant MOB industry in Russia any more. However the economic situation in Ukraine will likely cause an increase.
Only a small percentage of young women will consider marriage to an older guy. The trick is finding one of these women and that is no easy task...
Also it is not marriage to ANY older guy. The man needs to be exceptional in many ways. Fat, fifty and living in a double wide is never going to make it (:)
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Would you like, if you have a daughter/granddaughter marrying grandfathers?
Which would you prefer. Your daughter or granddaughter marrying a grandfather or her earning a nice living as a call girl? I think that was the question from the OP. Frankly neither option seems like one most would like but young women do have a mind of their own.
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Tom, I can't speak for others but 'any more' is two separate words. For example: "I don't want any more thank you." we can see it is two words because we can actually use both of them separately in the sentence. Conjoining the words does not alter the meaning of the two separate words.
And, yes, I know that people use this construction often enough for some to suggest it is a valid usage. On that basis, if enough people say that 2+2=5 then surely it will become true. File under the same heading as moot/mute and I could care less - incorrect and the result of lots of lazy thinking. ;)
Apparently New England is a New World bastion of correct usage wherein any & more are not conjoined. ;)
Apparently, it's a Brit thing then. In the U.S., "anymore" is an adverb that refers to a previous status quo and "any more" is used as an adjective that refers to quantity. Ergo, the fellow is either a Limey, from a Limey colony or an illiterate American.
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File under the same heading as "moot/mute" and "I could care less" - incorrect and the result of lots of lazy thinking. ;)
I often wondered about those two grammatical mistakes that most Americans make.
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"Jive/jibe..."
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...In the U.S., "anymore" is an adverb that refers to a previous status quo and "any more" is used as an adjective that refers to quantity...
Great explanation. Thank you.
I will keep it in mind.
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
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Please enlighten us on the conservatism of Ukrainian women as compared to Western women. I am interested in the details.
Certainly, Boris.
The majority of FSU women have been raised in a patriarchal culture where second-wave feminism has never gained a significant foothold. Most have been raised from an early age to believe that females should occupy a nurturing, care-giving role within society, rather than compete with males for higher status positions. The emphasis is upon motherhood and domesticity, and many are actively discouraged from entering traditionally male-dominated occupations.
There is also covert pressure to accept anti-social behaviour from male partners, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling and domestic violence. It's only quite recently that Eastern European women have begun to realize they have a wider range of options than their predecessors, and don't have to put up with lying, cheating, wife-beating scum-bags. This is, of course, a positive step for the entire culture, but unfortunately, the majority of the female population is still bound - to varying degrees - by decades-old traditions which condition them to accept secondary positions within society. Sad, but true all the same.
Naturally, such pressures also exist within North America and the UK, but at least the West has a strong feminist element to balance out the subliminal indoctrination.
However, to answer your question: yes, East European women possess a more conservative world view than those of the West. Studies have shown that they receive lower salaries than their male counterparts and have severely limited opportunities for career advancement. It has also been established that a vast number of Ukrainian women have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, usually the result of male aggression and alcohol consumption. Women on average earn 30 percent less than men within the work force, and are more likely to be laid off during times of economic downturn. At present, nearly 80 percent of Ukraine's unemployed demographic is female. Over 56 percent of all Ukrainian women are full time housewives. However, all of this is not the worst part.
The worst part is that these women are willing to accept such disparities, often without comment, because they are expected to do so. Why? They have been raised in a highly conservative and patriarchal environment which more or less programs them to suffer in silence.
Boris, you may not consider Ukrainian women to be conservative, but every available study says otherwise. If you can find a single report which states that FSU women are as politically, socially, or economically liberated as their Western counterparts, I'd be very interested in reading it.
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You've been to Ukraine then? Please enlighten us on the conservatism of Ukrainian women as compared to Western women. I am interested in the details.
Fred--you seem to have missed the first part of the question Boris asked !! :)
The rest of your response has come from where? As I said earlier-- your comments gleaned from the internet mean zit.
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Keep in mind university is basically free in the parts of FSU
Quite true, AJ. Many countries within the FSU offer student loans, subsidies, and (in some cased) completely free tuition within their higher education system.
However, to the best of my knowledge, none of these cover basic living expenses. If a student comes from an economically impoverished background, he or she will still be facing an uphill battle, particularly if only one parent is working in a minimum income position. Under these circumstances, the student would feel considerable pressure to contribute economically.
Naturally, I imagine that scholarships would be available, but such grants are usually competitive, and not everyone can qualify. This leaves the student with the options of either being a burden on their household, seeking part time employment, or simply quitting university and attempt to enter the workforce.
The other alternative is to defer their course for a few years and try to save up the necessary funds. This is where the sex industry seeps into the equation. Attractive young woman, unemployed, questionable prospects, no marketable skills, impoverished background, desperate to improve her circumstances and earn enough money to complete her tertiary studies.
At least one user here has suggested that women go into prostitution for "free vacations" and "expensive shoes". Another suggested they enter the sex industry to fulfill some kind of fantasy. Both of them are wrong.
I've spent close on two decades on the Asia-Pacific rim, and I know for fact that women go into prostitution out of sheer desperation. Some do it to support their parents, others to feed their children. Prostitution isn't some kind of Julia Roberts fairy tale; it's grim, pragmatic reality of the worst kind.
That said, let me repeat my original question.
Given the circumstances, why have young FSU women lost interest in older men? I can't claim to know how any female thinks, but I simply can't see how marriage to a generous, good-natured guy in his late 40s would be more degrading than selling her body in a foreign brothel.
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
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selling her soul either way, one is short term, one is longer.
One is several hours a day, one is 24 hours a day.
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
UW
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Would you like, if you have a daughter/granddaughter marrying grandfathers?
Hypothetically, if I had a daughter:
given a choice between her going into prostitution or marriage to a decent, trustworthy, economically stable man, I think I'd prefer the latter. The age would not be a huge concern, as long as I know he isn't a drunk, a wife beater, or a drug addict.
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
Why? Do you intend to pay a visit? I could name a few places, but I won't assist anybody in taking advantage of these unfortunate young women.
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
Why? Do you intend to pay a visit? I could name a few places, but I won't assist anybody in taking advantage of these unfortunate young women.
You seem to be the only one here looking for such a girl.
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
UW
Prostitution and good education do not exist together, Larry.
If a woman has a head on her shoulders, she will find a decent way to earn money.
Without this condition she will not be able to go through education.
I guess, it's just another trick to look more attractive to a man and get paid more for her service.
"Sorry, man! University is so expensive!"
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
UW
Prostitution and good education do not exist together, Larry.
If a woman has a head on her shoulders, she will find a decent way to earn money.
Without this condition she will not be able to go through education.
I guess, it's just another trick to look more attractive to a man and get paid more for her service.
"Sorry, man! University is so expensive!"
It was sort of a pun.
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selling her soul either way, one is short term, one is longer.
One is several hours a day, one is 24 hours a day.
Again, a very cynical view of marriage, one I've seen voiced repeatedly on this thread. Do you honestly believe that a young woman is incapable of bonding with a kind, sympathetic, good-natured older male who genuinely cares about her?
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In all due respect I think you are trolling sir.
Actually, I'm not. I was hoping to receive feedback on this issue from the female users of this forum. It's interesting that of the three women who replied, two of them made jokes, while the third claimed that education and prostitution are mutually exclusive.
One thing I found frankly surprising is that several of the male users here seem to equate marriage with prostitution. Surely you don't view your own partners in that light?
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You seem to be the only one here looking for such a girl.
I haven't stated I'm looking for anyone. All I've done is ask a few questions.
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The motivational profiles of sex workers are vastly different to those of younger women who aspire to improve their lifestyle by marriage to a wealthy guy. To equate the two groups is simply stupid.
100% agree.
Boris,
I think we can safely assume that the OP has no personal experience of any FSU country.
I disagree with the thread title "Why aren't young women interested in older men any more?"
IMHO roughly the same number of Russian/Ukrainian women have a sincere interest in marriage to an older man now as they did 10 - 15 years ago.
The number of young women seeking a donkey to transport them out of their dire economic circumstances has fallen substantially in recent years. There is no significant MOB industry in Russia any more. However the economic situation in Ukraine will likely cause an increase.
Only a small percentage of young women will consider marriage to an older guy. The trick is finding one of these women and that is no easy task...
Also it is not marriage to ANY older guy. The man needs to be exceptional in many ways. Fat, fifty and living in a double wide is never going to make it (:)
This is a point I have been making repeatedly--guy needs to have something going for him. Unfortunately the whole mob business seems to attract a lot of social misfits in one way or another. That is not to say that iALL are-- that is not the case. One of the problems with the forums is that some here want to place EVERY guy who comes here in that category-- and our OP here seems to be coming at this from all the wrong directions-for whatever reason.
Again, a very cynical view of marriage, one I've seen voiced repeatedly on this thread. Do you honestly believe that a young woman is incapable of bonding with a kind, sympathetic, good-natured older male who genuinely cares about her?
This goes back to the thread title-- and not to what you subsequently wrote.
I believe it is possible .As others said earlier-it is not every girl who will consider it. Recently I had discussions with a very attractive 25yo who had just broken up with her 26yo boyfriend who did not want to get married. She felt her time was running out to get married !! In further discussion-- it came out that she thought up to 30 was ok-- but ruled out 31 yo !!
The general age-gap discussion is covered many times on forums- your question relates to the economic security on offer-- that is a big plus for a guy .However--it will only be a part of the equation ( unless the guy is seriously loaded-that can distort the initial "success" equation)- a guy needs a lot more than that to achieve a age-gap relationship successfully.As a starter-- he needs to be fittish and not fat.!! ;D
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Please enlighten us on the conservatism of Ukrainian women as compared to Western women. I am interested in the details.
Certainly, Boris.
The majority of FSU women have been raised in a patriarchal culture where second-wave feminism has never gained a significant foothold. Most have been raised from an early age to believe that females should occupy a nurturing, care-giving role within society, rather than compete with males for higher status positions. The emphasis is upon motherhood and domesticity, and many are actively discouraged from entering traditionally male-dominated occupations.
I read your post to the better half. His response - this person has probably never been to the FSU.
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Translation - Glory to Women's Equality in the USSR.
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Down with Kitchen Slavery! Give us Equality!
There is also covert pressure to accept anti-social behaviour from male partners, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling and domestic violence. It's only quite recently that Eastern European women have begun to realize they have a wider range of options than their predecessors, and don't have to put up with lying, cheating, wife-beating scum-bags. This is, of course, a positive step for the entire culture, but unfortunately, the majority of the female population is still bound - to varying degrees - by decades-old traditions which condition them to accept secondary positions within society. Sad, but true all the same.
Were that true, the divorce rate in the Slavic republics of the USSR would not have exploded in the late 1970's. Almost all of that divorce was due to alcoholism.
East European women possess a more conservative world view than those of the West. Studies have shown that they receive lower salaries than their male counterparts and have severely limited opportunities for career advancement.
Studies show the same thing in the West.
It has also been established that a vast number of Ukrainian women have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, usually the result of male aggression and alcohol consumption. Women on average earn 30 percent less than men within the work force, and are more likely to be laid off during times of economic downturn.
Which is almost identical to wage disparity in North America.
At present, nearly 80 percent of Ukraine's unemployed demographic is female. Over 56 percent of all Ukrainian women are full time housewives. However, all of this is not the worst part.
The number of housewives is tied to the lack of jobs. In general terms, the last generation of housewives in the FSU were born before or around the time of the Revolution.
The worst part is that these women are willing to accept such disparities, often without comment, because they are expected to do so. Why? They have been raised in a highly conservative and patriarchal environment which more or less programs them to suffer in silence.
LOL. One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence. It's just not a Slavic thing.
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AJ, I don't know about the US but in this part of the world a strip club is often seen by both clients and workers as a kind of introduction agency, a matchmaker if you will.
The girls are often seeking a substantial upgrade in life and lifestyle and there's one thing that is always true of the clients who go to these places - they have disposable cash, they like the girls who work there and they tend to be 'generous' rather than greedy. For their part the girls tend to be attractive, sociable, often pretty bright and 'realistic' about the attainment of their personal goals.
It is quite different here. Strip clubs are meant to go have a few beers with the guys and look at naked women. Some will illegally offer services and sometimes people will meet, but that is very rare. The women are sociable but usually not very bright and have drug and other problems.
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Studies show the same thing in the West.
As I said to Boris, show me a single report which states that East European women are as politically, economically or socially liberated as their Western counterparts. Do that, and I will cede you the point, Halo.
One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence. It's just not a Slavic thing.
Misogynistic insults don't prove anything, Halo.
You don't seem to have a very high opinion of women.
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Many countries within the FSU offer student loans, subsidies, and (in some cased) completely free tuition within their higher education system.
However, to the best of my knowledge, none of these cover basic living expenses. If a student comes from an economically impoverished background, he or she will still be facing an uphill battle, particularly if only one parent is working in a minimum income position. Under these circumstances, the student would feel considerable pressure to contribute economically.
Most of the women live at home so there is not much need for additional income to pay for boarding. My wife and all her friends went to University for practically free. There were a few very small fees here and there.
At least one user here has suggested that women go into prostitution for "free vacations" and "expensive shoes". Another suggested they enter the sex industry to fulfill some kind of fantasy. Both of them are wrong.
While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying an older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.
I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.
My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.
You can simply login to a Russian dating site and you will see many Russian escorts willing to take a trip with you. They are even all over the American "find a trip partner" websites.
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While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying and older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.
I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.
My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.
It sounds to me like these women have no interest in marrying anybody.
So Sasha, for the record: do you believe that prostitution is preferable to marrying an older man?
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Studies show the same thing in the West.
As I said to Boris, show me a single report which states that East European women are as politically, economically or socially liberated as their Western counterparts. Do that, and I will cede you the point, Halo.
I don't care if you believe it. Ukraine had a female prime minister, which is arguably the most powerful position of any politician in the country. She was also one of the richest individuals in the country, and, until Yanukovych, the biggest thief of state resources since the collapse of the USSR.
You don't need studies. Just go live there.
One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence. It's just not a Slavic thing.
Misogynistic insults don't prove anything, Halo.
You don't seem to have a very high opinion of women.
LOL. It isn't misogynistic. It's reality. Slavs don't tend to hold in their emotions, male or female.
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While I have no knowledge of how Russian escorts operate in Asia I do personally know several here in the US. One woman here makes 2k-10k per night. She has no interest in marrying and older man. She makes more money than most men in the US and does whatever she wants whenever she wants.
I am friends with a GTG, who sleeps with men in exchange for staying at luxury condos, use of nice vehicles, nights on the town, shoes, vacations, dinner, petty cash. She has no interest in marring an older man and prefers to sleep with someone here and there to satisfy her needs. For her it is all about the money and lifestyle.
My wife has also met several high end Russian escorts in airports returning from the Middle East. One woman actually tried to recruit her. Free trips all over the world, you get to suntan on a yacht and drink champagne, and the best part is you hardly ever need to sleep with the sheiks. Anything you want they will fly out to the yacht by helicopter.
So Sasha, for the record: do you believe that prostitution is preferable to marrying an older man?
If a woman wants to make that choice and she is not coerced in any way, is not doing so to support an addiction or provide for any basic needs, then yes, I have no problem with it.
It sounds to me like these women have no interest in marrying anybody.
The two women that live here are open to marriage. They want a young, good looking, wealthy man. I cannot speak for the women that fly to the Middle East.
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LOL. One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence. It's just not a Slavic thing.
Ain't that the truth :ROFL:
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LOL. One thing one cannot say about FSUW is that they suffer in silence. It's just not a Slavic thing.
Ain't that the truth :ROFL:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
That has been my experience too.
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It isn't misogynistic. It's reality. Slavs don't tend to hold in their emotions, male or female.
Actually, your initial statement referred specifically to former Soviet Union women, which makes it overtly misogynistic.
I don't care if you believe it...
You don't need studies.
Well, you clearly have no evidence to support your views, otherwise you would have posted it.
Ukraine had a female prime minister, which is arguably the most powerful position of any politician in the country. She was also one of the richest individuals in the country, and, until Yanukovych, the biggest thief of state resources since the collapse of the USSR.
That is one exception (viewed by many as a politically motivated vendetta), which you appear to be using to denigrate all women. It certainly doesn't prove that East European females are as liberated as those of the west. Yulia Tymoshenko managed to claw her way to the top, but the rest of the country's female population is still treated like second class citizens.
I'll admit however, that you've awakened my curiosity. What are your views on women in general? You've already stated that you treat your partner like a domestic servant. Would you treat all women that way if you could get way with it? Do you agree with Viktor Yanukovych's comment that "A woman's place is in the kitchen"?
Looking forward to your reply.
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I never stated I treat my partner like a domestic servant.
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Ain't that the truth :ROFL:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
That has been my experience too.
Well, perhaps if you weren't misogynistic, they'd have nothing to complain about.
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Ain't that the truth :ROFL:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
That has been my experience too.
Well, perhaps if you weren't misogynistic, they'd have nothing to complain about.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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FredHill, You are in the wrong place to ask questions. We can not know that in the mind of prostitutes. Because women with a forum RUA never communicated among prostitutes. ;D
If we talk about higher education, it is now a place in the university is divided into low and commercial. This figure is 52 budget places on the 100 graduates. In Russia it is customary to help children after school for higher education. Commercial basis suggests the presence of money for education. You can also take a soft loan.
Therefore, all the girls laugh RUA. Education and work experience - this is the daily work, the nickname is not associated with prostitution. As a rule, after the girl's College, University of immediately marry Russian. And give birth to children. I would say more, they have no time to sit on the internet online. So now think for yourself. tiphat
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I never stated I treat my partner like a domestic servant.
Pardon me. I misquoted you. You agreed that you treat your partner like a bonded servant.
Personally, I believe a man should treat his spouse like an equal. Anyway, please tell me more about your views on women. Do you believe all females should be treated like bonded servants, or just the one you found in the ultra-progressive feminist utopia of Ukraine?
/sarcasm
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
It means "hatred of women". Your derisive remark indicates both contempt and misogyny.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
It means "hatred of women". Your derisive remark indicates both contempt and misogyny.
But you have not given any evidence whatsoever that either Sasha or I hate women.
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If a woman wants to make that choice and she is not coerced in any way, is not doing so to support an addiction or provide for any basic needs, then yes, I have no problem with it.
So you believe that prostitution is preferable to marriage.
Does your partner agree with you?
The two women that live here are open to marriage. They want a young, good looking, wealthy man. I cannot speak for the women that fly to the Middle East.
Seems odd that two attractive, well traveled and apparently affluent women haven't found suitable partners their own age. Wonder why that is?
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But you have not given any evidence whatsoever that either Sasha or I hate women.
Well...do you?
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But you have not given any evidence whatsoever that either Sasha or I hate women.
Well...do you?
No, I do not.
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Nobody needs old farts anymore. There are plenty of young, handsome, successful and wealthy men in every country of the world.
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I never stated I treat my partner like a domestic servant.
Pardon me. I misquoted you. You agreed that you treat your partner like a bonded servant.
No, I did not post that.
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Well...do you?
Fred_clue_less
Did you know that Halo is a woman?
I didn't think so :laugh:
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No, I do not.
Good enough. However, I'm curious: if you don't hate women, why did you agree with Halo's sweeping, contemptuous generalization regarding former Soviet Union females?
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No, I do not.
Good enough. However, I'm curious: if you don't hate women, why did you agree with Halo's sweeping, contemptuous generalization regarding former Soviet Union females?
I agreed that FSUW don't tend to suffer in silence; they are usually vocal. But I don't think that is necessarily contemptuous.
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Nobody needs old farts anymore. There are plenty of young, handsome, successful and wealthy men in every country of the world.
An occasional Old fartess seems to want old farts ;D
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Nobody needs old farts anymore. There are plenty of young, handsome, successful and wealthy men in every country of the world.
An occasional Old fartess seems to want old farts ;D
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No, I do not.
Good enough. However, I'm curious: if you don't hate women, why did you agree with Halo's sweeping, contemptuous generalization regarding former Soviet Union females?
I agreed that FSUW don't tend to suffer in silence; they are usually vocal. But I don't think that is necessarily contemptuous.
Yes, women from the FSU are generally very direct and outspoken. They tell you exactly what is on their mind. That is what we are referring to.
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Good enough. However, I'm curious: if you don't hate women, why did you agree with Halo's sweeping, contemptuous generalization regarding former Soviet Union females?
What would Halo know, she lived in the former Soviet Union in the bad old days.
My experience with Russian/Ukrainian women is that they are very blunt and will
tell you exactly what they think. It's quite refreshing. I have never met one who
suffered in silence.
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No, I did not post that.
Actually you did, in reply 20 of this thread. Here is the exact quote:
You mentioned previously that your "better half" is from Ukraine. Assuming you're male and she's female, do you treat her like a bonded servant?
Yes, we're into bondage.
Your exact words, Halo. Do you wish to retract your statement?
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No discernable sense of humour. Noted.
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Fred_clue_less
Did you know that Halo is a woman?
I didn't think so :laugh:
Halo indicated in reply 20 that s/he was male and hi/r partner was female. Put it down to the language barrier, perhaps s/he didn't understand what I was asking.
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No discernable sense of humour. Noted.
So, you retract your previous statement? You do not treat your partner like a bonded servant?
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No, I didn't state I was male. I purposely ignored that part of your question with a flippant response as that is what, IMHO, such a silly question warranted. You made an assumption about who I am, my beliefs, and my marriage.
English is one of my mother tongues (Ukrainian being the other), so there is no miscommunication from my end.
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No discernable sense of humour. Noted.
He doesn't have a keen sense of the difference between British slavery and physical restraint for recreational purposes, either.
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There are plenty of young, handsome, successful and wealthy men in every country of the world.
Yeah, but they don't seem to want to get married. Most of them just want to get drunk, shoot up, play with their cars, sleep around etc.
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Halo indicated in reply 20 that s/he was male and hi/r partner was female. Put it down to the language barrier, perhaps s/he didn't understand what I was asking.
I will go back and read reply number 20 to see what you are talking about, however
Halo is a native English speaker and a fluent Russian/Ukrainian speaker.
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You mentioned previously that your "better half" is from Ukraine. Assuming you're male and she's female, do you treat her like a bonded servant?
Halo's reply
Yes, we're into bondage.
hmmmmmmm............ looks like you missed the humor regarding bondage and
further decided that she said that she is a male.
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No, I didn't state I was male. I purposely ignored that part of your question with a flippant response as that is what, IMHO, such a silly question warranted. You made an assumption about who I am, my beliefs, and my marriage.
English is one of my mother tongues (Ukrainian being the other), so there is no miscommunication from my end.
So, you're female, you're married, and you don't treat your partner like a bonded servant. Good that we've cleared that up, though you could have corrected the misunderstanding yesterday with a few simple words.
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hmmmmmmm............ looks like you missed the humor regarding bondage and
further decided that she said that she is a male.
I was presenting a hypothetical situation, to which she could simply have replied "I'm female". In addition, she made no attempt to correct the misunderstanding when I questioned her remarks in reply 21.
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Another accent. Neither young nor old women are not interested in foreign husbands. Because they have a duty to the parents. Why wear diapers old husband when have their family and friends, going off to another world? You're too easy to think of the death: very hard mentally. tiphat
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Nobody needs old farts anymore. There are plenty of young, handsome, successful and wealthy men in every country of the world.
K--old fartness is a state of mind not necessarily attached to physicall years !! :chuckle:
No discernable sense of humour. Noted.
So, you retract your previous statement? You do not treat your partner like a bonded servant?
Everyone here knows Halo is used as a doormat!! You can probably see how subservient SHE is from HER posts!!
No, I do not.
Good enough. However, I'm curious: if you don't hate women, why did you agree with Halo's sweeping, contemptuous generalization regarding former Soviet Union females?
I agreed that FSUW don't tend to suffer in silence; they are usually vocal. But I don't think that is necessarily contemptuous.
Yes, women from the FSU are generally very direct and outspoken. They tell you exactly what is on their mind. That is what we are referring to.
You are all joking-right? I find that hard to believe !!! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Another accent. You're too easy to think of the death: very hard mentally. tiphat
Yeah, but when the old geezer dies, his beautiful young wife gets all his money and dances on his grave.
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Fred_clue_less
Did you know that Halo is a woman?
I didn't think so :laugh:
Halo indicated in reply 20 that s/he was male and hi/r partner was female. Put it down to the language barrier, perhaps s/he didn't understand what I was asking.
Actually Fred-- I put it down to you not knowing(anything about) what you are saying!! :innocent:
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I was presenting a hypothetical situation, to which she could simply have replied "I'm female". In addition, she made no attempt to correct the misunderstanding when I questioned her remarks in reply 21.
I've got no issues to grind with you.
My advice is that you are new here and probably shouldn't assume that this
forum is filled with misogynists, or men who think that women should be
subservient to men etc. FSUW wouldn't allow it in any case.
Udachi!
Bill
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Yeah, but when the old geezer dies, his beautiful young wife gets all his money and dances on his grave.
I wonder if the beautiful, young wife was a former sex worker and the old geezer had herpes.
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Another accent. You're too easy to think of the death: very hard mentally. tiphat
Yeah, but when the old geezer dies, his beautiful young wife gets all his money and dances on his grave.
This exception to the rule. You would not think that a child receives from his parents legacy in their own country? At least property? I understand that many men rent abroad, not personal property?
If we talk about prostitution, it is often called the oldest profession. Due to the male half of humanity, demand creates supply. ;D
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I've got no issues to grind with you.
My advice is that you are new here and probably shouldn't assume that this forum is filled with misogynists, or men who think that women should be subservient to men etc. FSUW wouldn't allow it in any case.
Udachi!
Bill
Thanks, Bill.
Jumanji.
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This exception to the rule. You would not think that a child receives from his parents legacy in their own country? At least property? I understand that many men rent abroad, not personal property?
Speaking for myself, I have an apartment, though in my home country, most families buy a house (it takes a long time to pay it off). Big problem: when the old geezer dies, his children fight over the inheritance and the lawyers get everything.
Answer: the old geezer marries beautiful young woman and they have no children. When he drops dead of a heart attack, she gets everything, then runs off with her handsome young boyfriend.
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Mr. FredHill.
Are you writing a new interpretation of Cinderella?
It would be a good movie too.
Just tell us what you need and how much you will pay.
We are in the middle of campaign of raising money for this forum.
Relax, have some wine, untie your shoes, undo your belt, and lose your head.
The best things happen in state of happiness.
Welcome to the forum!
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I am just wondering where have you seen prostitutes dreaming about university education?
What is name of this place?
Are you really sure that they work as "web cam prostitutes" to pay for University expenses or cover their embarrassments ???
You can always test them. See if they are online all the time including day time
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
A mistress
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Prostitution and good education do not exist together, Larry.
If a woman has a head on her shoulders, she will find a decent way to earn money.
Without this condition she will not be able to go through education.
I guess, it's just another trick to look more attractive to a man and get paid more for her service.
"Sorry, man! University is so expensive!"
That statement is untrue.
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File under the same heading as "moot/mute" and "I could care less" - incorrect and the result of lots of lazy thinking. ;)
I often wondered about those two grammatical mistakes that most Americans make.
My assumption has been that mistakes such as these and anymore, alot, and others are because the writer is ignorant and thus writes as he hears. In the end some of these errors become accepted and even given an ex post facto justification. Just because the first recorded occurence of an error was some 700 years ago does not in any way make it correct or good usage. Maybe all that we learn is that Anais Nin had a bad proof reader working on one of her novels.
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This exception to the rule. You would not think that a child receives from his parents legacy in their own country? At least property? I understand that many men rent abroad, not personal property?
Speaking for myself, I have an apartment, though in my home country, most families buy a house (it takes a long time to pay it off). Big problem: when the old geezer dies, his children fight over the inheritance and the lawyers get everything.
Answer: the old geezer marries beautiful young woman and they have no children. When he drops dead of a heart attack, she gets everything, then runs off with her handsome young boyfriend.
No fool like an old fool! :ROFL:
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
A mistress
Кept woman. Mistress - from the word "Love". ;D
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A person who is sponsored is not necessarily of the same status as a mistress.
Gentlemen, don't go getting confused here. Sponsorship in this part of the world is no more common than in the west. You encounter it because it is one of the ways in which women sell themselves to men and thus there is s crossover between the universes of women who are prostitutes, sponsored girls, mistresses and women who sell themselves in marriage.
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
I was taught by my father do not take money from any man.
It is very strict rule of my life.
I can take money only from my husband, but in form of payment for the food, hotel, or water bill.
School, clothes, trips to Russia are all my expences.
You are asking me about life and women that I do not know.
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Dear Ladies
I read an article recently which said that attractive young Russian/Ukrainian women sometimes work in the sex industry to pay for their university fees. I don't understand why they would do this. Wouldn't it be better to marry an older Western man and let him pay for everything?
Cheers, Fred
Older Western Guy
Some of these girl have problem that make them not suitable for marriage. When you start to get close to them it is easy to see why there are where they are in life. I have notice this with a number of the pro daters. They do that which they can do. More just does not work.
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
A mistress
Spasibo, that is what I thought.
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I am just curious and would prefer answers from FSU women who grew up there such as Orchid and Belle first of all; then anyone else who wants to answer as well. Is a young lady who has a "sponsor" considered a "prostitute" in the FSU, or just a mistress?
A mistress
Well, she will hardly be considered a prostitute. A prostitute would IMHO be rather the one who has numerous sex partners for money. The one who has just one partner while her primary motivator are the material things that he is giving her is not a prostitute.
My guess is that such woman might rather be considered a kept woman.