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Title: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on September 15, 2015, 09:58:21 AM
Authorities in Russia's Far East are handing out hectares of land free of charge in a bid to attract people to the vast region, which offers its sparse population a wealth of resources and a harsh climate.

The offer is available to all Russian citizens, the only requirement is that people put the land to use.

The land can be used “for any purpose,” including farming or building a home, just as long as the land is being used at all, the Far Eastern Development Ministry said on the website it runs for the project, NaDalniyVostok, or “To the Far East.”

Those interested in the offer can hold on to their land plots free of rent, tax or any other payments for five years and will then receive ownership titles to the plots, also free of charge, if they can prove the land has been used during that period, the ministry said.

“Unused land plots will be confiscated,” it added.

Land allocations can reach up to 1 hectare per person — meaning that a family of five can claim up to 5 hectares, the statement said.

No advance travel to the Far East is required: Interested parties can choose a land plots using an online map.

The project could increase the region's population nearly six-fold — to 36 million people, from the current 6.4 million, according to estimates by Russia's Minister for the Development of the Far East, Alexander Galushka.

“We view this project as a possibility for Russian citizens to achieve self-realization in our Far East, and for attracting people to the region,” Galushka said this summer, according to comments posted on his ministry's website.

A survey commissioned by the ministry from the state polling agency VTsIOM indicated that one in five Russians would consider relocating to the Far East and settling there permanently if they receive free land, Galushka said. The number is about 50 percent higher among young Russians, he added.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russia-giving-away-free-farmland-12-acres-family/ri9653
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Donhollio on September 16, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: sparky114 on September 17, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
I have just brought while i was over in August 2000 sq Metres .... land is good value at the moment with the exchange rate, couple that with the 2 dacha sites i think i have about done all i want too  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.

When are you and the human heater moving to Siberia Don?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on September 17, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.

What evidence do you have that China wants to "grab" any of Russia?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Donhollio on September 17, 2015, 11:50:00 PM
 Lot's of info out there if you look for it, I'm not your teacher. Navigating around sites in Mandarin helps though.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on September 18, 2015, 12:45:07 AM
Lot's of info out there if you look for it, I'm not your teacher. Navigating around sites in Mandarin helps though.

So we can take that as a firm 'no' then.
I rather doubt you can 'navigate' in your native tongue let alone any other.

At this stage in Chinese development invading Russia would make no sense. In a longer term view, it runs counter to Chinese practice.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on September 18, 2015, 03:24:59 AM
I have just brought while i was over in August 2000 sq Metres .... land is good value at the moment with the exchange rate, couple that with the 2 dacha sites i think i have about done all i want too  :coffeeread:

 :thumbsup:

I think that I would rather pay for land where you are than live in the east..

We have a new neighbour in Sochi - arrived from V'vostok - his relatives all came - so this offer is clearly necessary to reverse a worrying trend.



Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Donhollio on September 19, 2015, 09:59:29 AM
Lot's of info out there if you look for it, I'm not your teacher. Navigating around sites in Mandarin helps though.

So we can take that as a firm 'no' then.
I rather doubt you can 'navigate' in your native tongue let alone any other.

 No what you can do is read what I wrote, digest it and then get back to me if you have any further questions. If you can't comprehend the written words ask someone who can guide through it.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on September 19, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
Don, as I said, a 'NO'. You can no more read mandarin, as you inferred that you can, than I can so don't give us bollocks.

Get back to us all when you stop talking out of your arse.

If you have something to say to support your silly point then share it, until then I/we can continue to understand that you continue to be, as you told us previously, a man who disdains learning.

There is no point in you introducing a new point without having anything to support your claim. Obviously, if true, your claim is not common knowledge; indeed I am sure that the Chinese leadership would be keen to have your insights and contacts at their disposal - you know stuff about their plans that they obviously do not.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on September 20, 2015, 03:47:13 AM
Don, as I said, a 'NO'. You can no more read mandarin, as you inferred that you can, than I can so don't give us bollocks.

Get back to us all when you stop talking out of your arse.

He did, but for some reason his 'talking out of his arse' post was not permitted - but yours - what a 'surprise' - wasn't  :coffeeread:


Don pointed out he didn't speak Mandarin - but his friend - a Chinese immigrant does...



Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 08:10:00 PM
Little update on this subject. Now to include foreigners.
With the possibility of Hillary Clinton in the white house, Russia could be a good place to relocate.

Land of plenty: Duma committee approves bill for free handover of Russian territory to foreigners

https://www.rt.com/politics/338775-duma-committee-approves-bill-introducing/
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 08:18:04 PM


Swiss Farmer Making It in Russia

Hans Peter Michel left his home in the Alps and created a prosperous farm in the old village of Gorbenki near Kaluga where Europeans come to learnhttp://russia-insider.com/en/business/swiss-farmer-i-live-lord-russia/ri13804
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: bagalia on April 09, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
There is a caveat here somewhere I am sure.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 09, 2016, 09:53:34 PM


Little update on this subject. Now to include foreigners.

edited to 'perfect' the joke

With the possibility of Donald Trump in the white house, Russia could be a good place to relocate.

Land of plenty: Duma committee approves bill for free handover of Russian territory to foreigners

https://www.rt.com/politics/338775-duma-committee-approves-bill-introducing/

There is a caveat here somewhere I am sure.

Quite..

''Putin also urged all the officials responsible for the plan to be precise and cautious when detailing the conditions for land ownership.''

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Texan77 on April 09, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.

What evidence do you have that China wants to "grab" any of Russia?

Because it was part of China before it became Russia. You guys know, sort like Crimea and parts of Georgia. The people there are ethnic Chinese and can not speak there own language and need to be protected like in Donbas. Russia is a declining power and China is a inclining one. Russia is now becoming more dependent on China. The time is not right now but it will be one day. Russia will be a Chinese Ukraine. Then the Chinese can make all kinds of comments about worthless Russia and its corruption. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on April 09, 2016, 11:31:12 PM

Swiss Farmer Making It in Russia

Hans Peter Michel left his home in the Alps and created a prosperous farm in the old village of Gorbenki near Kaluga where Europeans come to learnhttp://russia-insider.com/en/business/swiss-farmer-i-live-lord-russia/ri13804

There is a history lesson here, it comes via Germany and Switzerland and is called the Volga Germans. Makes for an interesting read into the psyche of the Russian rulers, whether they are Czarina's, Supreme Soviets or the President.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: bagalia on April 10, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.

What evidence do you have that China wants to "grab" any of Russia?

Because it was part of China before it became Russia. You guys know, sort like Crimea and parts of Georgia. The people there are ethnic Chinese and can not speak there own language and need to be protected like in Donbas. Russia is a declining power and China is a inclining one. Russia is now becoming more dependent on China. The time is not right now but it will be one day. Russia will be a Chinese Ukraine. Then the Chinese can make all kinds of comments about worthless Russia and its corruption.

LOL, you are entering the twilight zone now. A zone that is opening a door to the future. There are already politicians worried about those 450 square miles that Russia rented the Chinese. They think they might try to annex the area. You have a radical train of thought here and we would like to throw it out into the Ukrainian social media for a good laugh. Poetic justice and it could very well happen.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: rosco on April 10, 2016, 06:03:11 AM
  That's one way to place more Rooskee's there, makes it slightly more difficult for China to grab it.

What evidence do you have that China wants to "grab" any of Russia?

Because it was part of China before it became Russia. You guys know, sort like Crimea and parts of Georgia. The people there are ethnic Chinese and can not speak there own language and need to be protected like in Donbas. Russia is a declining power and China is a inclining one. Russia is now becoming more dependent on China. The time is not right now but it will be one day. Russia will be a Chinese Ukraine. Then the Chinese can make all kinds of comments about worthless Russia and its corruption.

Our resident prophet has spoken......
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 10, 2016, 06:31:08 AM
Texan77 has entered the Twiglet Zone. That spicy, salty zone where language gets all messed up. Your never sure what is gong on their.

Perception is limited to only that which one can not see and never understand.

Never enter the The Twiglet Zone. It is impossible to leave!

Suck the stick texan77!
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 10, 2016, 06:38:08 AM
Little update on this subject. Now to include foreigners.
With the possibility of Hillary Clinton in the white house, Russia could be a good place to relocate.

Land of plenty: Duma committee approves bill for free handover of Russian territory to foreigners

https://www.rt.com/politics/338775-duma-committee-approves-bill-introducing/

It isn't a bad idea at all.
Look at the effect upon the US economy of a similar scheme in the USA in the 19th century.

Whilst some unthinkers might opine that this decreases Russian territorial security those without a cognitive deficit will appreciate that the best defender of a territory is the person who lives there and 'owns' it. Likewise for the economic exploitation of that territory.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 10, 2016, 06:42:18 AM
Tex's point might be mocked by some, but he had a point .. :coffeeread:


''There is a long history of bitter territorial disputes between Russia and China. Amid China’s defeat by Anglo-French forces in the Second Opium War, the Tsarist regime forced the Manchu dynasty to give up 1.2 million square kilometres of land in Manchuria in 1858-60. The Chinese regime has repeatedly emphasised in its patriotic education that these events were “national humiliations”.''

''What is now bringing the two countries closer together is the common concern in ruling circles at the threat posed by US militarism. But if the strategic partnership no longer serves their national interests, the two capitalist powers could quickly become hostile to each other and the “settled” territorial disputes could again flare up.''

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/08/ruch-a14.html (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/08/ruch-a14.html)
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:25:51 AM

Swiss Farmer Making It in Russia

Hans Peter Michel left his home in the Alps and created a prosperous farm in the old village of Gorbenki near Kaluga where Europeans come to learnhttp://russia-insider.com/en/business/swiss-farmer-i-live-lord-russia/ri13804

There is a history lesson here, it comes via Germany and Switzerland and is called the Volga Germans. Makes for an interesting read into the psyche of the Russian rulers, whether they are Czarina's, Supreme Soviets or the President.

When they're desperate enough they want the help of outsiders, and then when they feel better they turn against the outsiders.  Time and time again they've done it.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 10, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

No doubt the elite carpet baggers who stole business's in Krym got some free land.  :hidechair:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 11, 2016, 02:15:17 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

No doubt the elite carpet baggers who stole business's in Krym got some free land.  :hidechair:

Even those who welcomed the 'return' to Russian rule are not happy about the result / lack of visitor numbers ... but this will be my third time of trying

Get out 'trip report' recommended places in Crimea - and note - the 'closed' next to them .... :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2016, 02:14:55 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

If only... I'd be gone from NL in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2016, 02:15:57 AM

Get out 'trip report' recommended places in Crimea - and note - the 'closed' next to them .... :coffeeread:

Because they still think its Ukraine  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 12, 2016, 04:09:34 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

If only... I'd be gone from NL in a heartbeat.
Remember if they take it from one person, they can take it from another.
Funny how those things work :)
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Danchik on April 12, 2016, 04:58:27 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 12, 2016, 04:59:33 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2016, 05:53:21 AM

Remember if they take it from one person, they can take it from another.
Funny how those things work :)
I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 12, 2016, 08:12:32 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 12, 2016, 11:24:22 AM
For a moment, I thought Russia was giving away the land, they Stole in Kyrm. :chuckle:

No doubt the elite carpet baggers who stole business's in Krym got some free land.  :hidechair:

Even those who welcomed the 'return' to Russian rule are not happy about the result / lack of visitor numbers ... but this will be my third time of trying

Get out 'trip report' recommended places in Crimea - and note - the 'closed' next to them .... :coffeeread:

You can of course provide verifiable links to support your above bolded statement, and not hearsay?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 12, 2016, 11:29:24 AM

Remember if they take it from one person, they can take it from another.
Funny how those things work :)
I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.

I believe that there were some land/property/businesses confiscations, which I think were more to do with those who left for their desired motherland.

There are properties for sale in Crimea, being advertised by Ukrainian owners, who no longer wish to own the said properties, but they have not been confiscated from the current owners.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2016, 02:10:30 PM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone

To rest my nerves , the thread I talked about:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,21693.msg381037.html#msg381037
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 12, 2016, 07:04:35 PM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.


It seems that one is well advised to not carry too much cash on long car journeys in the USA.

Really??  Any you base this advise on what?
the thread is right here on this forum with numerous source links to media newspapers etc. Happy reading. I cant find the thread for you cause im on a mobile phone

To rest my nerves , the thread I talked about:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,21693.msg381037.html#msg381037

Your Canadian source is full of BS.  Only a fool would carry large amounts of cash ANYWHERE.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 13, 2016, 04:03:55 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 13, 2016, 04:19:33 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)

Where was her land, Crimea??
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 13, 2016, 04:22:17 AM
Yankee, over here, in civilisation, we do not have police with the power to seize cash as in the USA. I have no need to be concerned about either illegal highway robbers or the state sanctioned variety.

The worst that one might expect here is an on the spot speeding ticket for, perhaps, €20. While I might choose to not carry tens of thousands of euros in my pocket that has more to do with my carelessness than fear of robbery by police. In the United States that would not be the case; I'd limit my cash in order to avoid the risk of civil forfeiture.

This is a real thing,  not imaginary, and it happens to real people.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 13, 2016, 06:29:31 AM
Yankee, over here, in civilisation, we do not have police with the power to seize cash as in the USA. I have no need to be concerned about either illegal highway robbers or the state sanctioned variety.

The worst that one might expect here is an on the spot speeding ticket for, perhaps, €20. While I might choose to not carry tens of thousands of euros in my pocket that has more to do with my carelessness than fear of robbery by police. In the United States that would not be the case; I'd limit my cash in order to avoid the risk of civil forfeiture.

This is a real thing,  not imaginary, and it happens to real people.

The taking of personal property is not as arbitrary as you say.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 13, 2016, 06:48:44 AM

Quote from: markje
I don't remember anyone in Crimea being disowned. My MIL still owns her flat out-right.

I believe that there were some land/property/businesses confiscations, which I think were more to do with those who left for their desired motherland.

Hmm,

This article suggests differentlyhttp://uk.businessinsider.com/crimeas-new-russian-overlords-are-seizing-thousands-of-businesses-2014-12?r=US&IR=T (http://uk.businessinsider.com/crimeas-new-russian-overlords-are-seizing-thousands-of-businesses-2014-12?r=US&IR=T)

There are properties for sale in Crimea, being advertised by Ukrainian owners, who no longer wish to own the said properties, but they have not been confiscated from the current owners.

The very fact that this retort - plus my attempt to remind Markje, that the indigenous people - the Tatars - have already seen two waves of confiscations and ethnic cleansing - probably won't see the light of day  - makes one wonder...


I've been saving and screen grabbing all the articles as it might make an interesting article on 'soviet-style' censorship  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 13, 2016, 06:59:13 AM
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 13, 2016, 07:02:32 AM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?



Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 13, 2016, 07:21:59 AM
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?

I am here only to state what my opinion is, not to “debate” with anyone on this site.  My experience tells me that there are a VERY SMALL number of people here who are interested in debate.  Sad to say I think you are not one of them.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 13, 2016, 07:30:59 AM

Your Canadian source is full of BS.  Only a fool would carry large amounts of cash ANYWHERE.
The thread was started by an American Lawyer, who obviously disagrees with you.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 13, 2016, 07:43:07 AM

Your Canadian source is full of BS.  Only a fool would carry large amounts of cash ANYWHERE.
The thread was started by an American Lawyer, who obviously disagrees with you.

Clinton is a lawyer also and I disagree with her too.  Lawyers are no different than engineers.  A very small number are good.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 14, 2016, 03:44:14 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)

Where was her land, Crimea??
Actually, I can't remember exactly, but will ask the wife.
I have seen the documents, never been to the spot.
Showed it to me on a map.
Had View of the sea, with cliff in front, had to walk aways to get to an actually beach.
But technically water front property.
I don't believe it was worth big money, but really not the point.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 14, 2016, 03:51:35 AM
^ Ever hear of civil forfeiture? It's doubled over the past 10 years in the US. Yes, funny how things work.

Hopefully, its days are numbered, but it has been going on for years. Funny how selective your brain works too.

I don't live in the US. Sorry I never heard of "civil forfeiture"

The wiFe's land is gone, she checked into it after all that happened.
Someone was building on it and had legal documents to prove it was theirs.
I suspect the wife's legal documents, get null and void with Ukrainian passport :)

Where was her land, Crimea??
Actually, I can't remember exactly, but will ask the wife.
I have seen the documents, never been to the spot.
Showed it to me on a map.
Had View of the sea, with cliff in front, had to walk aways to get to an actually beach.
But technically water front property.
I don't believe it was worth big money, but really not the point.

Would be interesting to know exactly where the land is/was..
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 14, 2016, 04:03:23 AM
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?

I am here only to state what my opinion is, not to “debate” with anyone on this site.  My experience tells me that there are a VERY SMALL number of people here who are interested in debate.  Sad to say I think you are not one of them.

Yankee, an opinion without fact to back it up is worthless.
I could write the following as an opinion: "in my opinion Yankee is a three legged space alien" but because there is no factual basis to the 'opinion' it is valueless.

What you are telling us is that what you write is not worthy of consideration.

You don't know HOW to debate - that is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact.

Truth be told you had an uninformed opinion upon which you chose to base a silly post. You have now learned something - that your unfounded opinion was worthless, but rather than man up and tell us that you got it wrong you prefer to tell us that you are an idiot.

If being seen as an idiot is preferable to admitting that you are capable of learning then so be it. Personally, I prefer to learn every day because by doing so I distance myself from idiocy. ;)
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: yankee on April 14, 2016, 06:48:52 AM
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?

I am here only to state what my opinion is, not to “debate” with anyone on this site.  My experience tells me that there are a VERY SMALL number of people here who are interested in debate.  Sad to say I think you are not one of them.

Yankee, an opinion without fact to back it up is worthless.
I could write the following as an opinion: "in my opinion Yankee is a three legged space alien" but because there is no factual basis to the 'opinion' it is valueless.

What you are telling us is that what you write is not worthy of consideration.

You don't know HOW to debate - that is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact.

Truth be told you had an uninformed opinion upon which you chose to base a silly post. You have now learned something - that your unfounded opinion was worthless, but rather than man up and tell us that you got it wrong you prefer to tell us that you are an idiot.

If being seen as an idiot is preferable to admitting that you are capable of learning then so be it. Personally, I prefer to learn every day because by doing so I distance myself from idiocy. ;)

Andrewfi if you wish to see me as an idiot that is for you to decide.  The fact is that most of what you say is very childish.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 14, 2016, 09:09:59 AM
OK, Yankee, let us try to get this straight.

You tell us just how the civil forfeiture process works and tell us how the reports up thread are telling untruths.

Go for it. Bear in mind that this is not a secret, that the US Attorney General has gotten involved with the issue and there's lots of corroborating information about. So, colour me curious, what insight do you offer that overturns the concerns of the most senior legal officers in the United States?

I am here only to state what my opinion is, not to “debate” with anyone on this site.  My experience tells me that there are a VERY SMALL number of people here who are interested in debate.  Sad to say I think you are not one of them.

Yankee, an opinion without fact to back it up is worthless.
I could write the following as an opinion: "in my opinion Yankee is a three legged space alien" but because there is no factual basis to the 'opinion' it is valueless.

What you are telling us is that what you write is not worthy of consideration.

You don't know HOW to debate - that is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact.

Truth be told you had an uninformed opinion upon which you chose to base a silly post. You have now learned something - that your unfounded opinion was worthless, but rather than man up and tell us that you got it wrong you prefer to tell us that you are an idiot.

If being seen as an idiot is preferable to admitting that you are capable of learning then so be it. Personally, I prefer to learn every day because by doing so I distance myself from idiocy. ;)

Andrewfi if you wish to see me as an idiot that is for you to decide.  The fact is that most of what you say is very childish.

Don't worry Yankee.  You are not in the minority if you think that Andy is a gigantic plonker and a time waster as well.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 14, 2016, 01:03:47 PM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

If you are indicating that this happens in Russia, then you are correct, it does.
Its the law, IF you fail to pay your taxes/social fund payments, then, IF there is suspicion, BANG, your Bank acc can be raided/blocked/frozen/arrested..
The rule is very simple, pay what you should, adhere to the laws, and all ok...
There can be no argument or discussion about it. Its very civilised actually..

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 14, 2016, 03:29:27 PM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 14, 2016, 10:12:42 PM



Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

If you are indicating that this happens in Russia, then you are correct, it does.

So far so good...

Its the law, IF you fail to pay your taxes/social fund payments, then, IF there is suspicion, BANG, your Bank acc can be raided/blocked/frozen/arrested..
The rule is very simple, pay what you should, adhere to the laws, and all ok...
There can be no argument or discussion about it. Its very civilised actually..

...and when you HAVE paid all your taxes, social fund and it happens without warning? ...When the tax authorities pass the buck ?

Gypo..We aren't talking 'frozen'..We are talking removed....

No warning..no letter disputing payments...

Indeed..'very civilised'...





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Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on April 14, 2016, 11:32:28 PM

Don't worry Yankee.  You are not in the minority if you think that Andy is a gigantic plonker and a time waster as well.


Andy has an occasional good point or insight. Generally though he is an ill bred forum prat. When proven wrong he does not  'learn' but rather wonders if the other poster speaks and understands English or is intoxicated.

I suspect in real life on one level he is quite shall we saying 'charming' and on a deeper level an insecure hollow man.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 15, 2016, 01:38:04 AM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

I passed through Rozdolne with my car, on the way to Evpatoria.

It was a ghost town then, I can't imagine it being better now that the Ukr/Crimea landbridge is closed mostly.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 15, 2016, 01:45:23 AM
And some people whine about ad hominem 'attacks'. The hypocrisy is running high in Topertown tonight.

Tell me,  oh great thinkers, what is the value of an opinion without a factual basis?
What does one learn from such an 'insight'?

Go on, try it,  think for a moment.

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 15, 2016, 01:51:17 AM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

As I am sure you understand,  but prefer to troll, there is something of a difference between seizure of cash 'on suspicion' by an individual police officer at a roadside stop and seizure of bank accounts due to the non payment of debts to the government. If unsure please read up on the procedure in the United States and then try making an informed and honest contribution.

I am sure that when YOUR accounts stopped working you had good notice of the procedure but you chose to ignore the process because,  well,  moby.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2016, 02:37:44 AM



Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

As I am sure you understand,  but prefer to troll, there is something of a difference between seizure of cash 'on suspicion' by an individual police officer at a roadside stop and seizure of bank accounts due to the non payment of debts to the government.

I 'see'... it is 'trolling' when andrewfi's 'point' is somewhat negated by far more serious examples of state sponsored 'fines'.

If unsure please read up on the procedure in the United States and then try making an informed and honest contribution.

Oooh, I'm sorry... you didn't like my pointing out that your exmple has worse variants?

May be you've never had to pay an unofficial 'straf' ( fine ) when at the wheel in a former Soviet state ?...


I am sure that when YOUR accounts stopped working you had good notice of the procedure but you chose to ignore the process because,  well,  moby.

I wasn't referring to MY accounts.. Are you suggesting the example is untrue....? 'Of course'... it's the ONLY way to handle stuff that doesn't suit your agenda..... 



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Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 02:39:56 AM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

If your wife has legal title to the land under the previous Ukraine/Crimea, then she is still the legal owner, the land has most probably NOT been confiscated.
Its much more likely, that someone is taking the current situation of disorganisation in Crimea, and putting a building on the land which will be then registered in that persons name, making a future claim more difficult.
The best advice is to contact a Russian lawyer in the local administrative area, and engage them to challenge this other persons claim in the courts.
HTH..(From a Russian lawyer).
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 02:46:16 AM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

As I am sure you understand,  but prefer to troll, there is something of a difference between seizure of cash 'on suspicion' by an individual police officer at a roadside stop and seizure of bank accounts due to the non payment of debts to the government. If unsure please read up on the procedure in the United States and then try making an informed and honest contribution.

I am sure that when YOUR accounts stopped working you had good notice of the procedure but you chose to ignore the process because,  well,  moby.

Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

If the account holder cannot supply the said proof within the arrested time limits, then the account can/may/will be seized up to the level of debt to the arrestor.

In addition, anyone owing monies to any government organisation can be stopped from leaving the country until said debt is absolved..
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2016, 03:01:25 AM




Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

NOT what occurred in the case I mention..

How you describe what SHOULD occur is civilised.







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Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on April 15, 2016, 04:23:02 AM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

As I am sure you understand,  but prefer to troll, there is something of a difference between seizure of cash 'on suspicion' by an individual police officer at a roadside stop and seizure of bank accounts due to the non payment of debts to the government. If unsure please read up on the procedure in the United States and then try making an informed and honest contribution.

I am sure that when YOUR accounts stopped working you had good notice of the procedure but you chose to ignore the process because,  well,  moby.

Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

If the account holder cannot supply the said proof within the arrested time limits, then the account can/may/will be seized up to the level of debt to the arrestor.

In addition, anyone owing monies to any government organisation can be stopped from leaving the country until said debt is absolved..

In fact the mechanics in The United States and it sounds like Russia are about the same for what is called garnishing of funds from a bank account.

The unfortunate reality in America is there are to many seizures of large amounts (in total) of cash by over aggressive law enforcement officers in the failed War on Drugs. Trying to reclaim the funds when innocent is very difficult and expensive. The present Attorney Lorreta Lynn(ch) has even expanded this policy.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Danchik on April 15, 2016, 04:30:44 AM
My earlier point about "civil forfeiture" was only to show the hypocrisy that can be prevalent here on this forum; especially coming from the West.

Now it might not have been NS1's intention, but it certainly came across that way. Canadians on this forum seem to be the worst in thinking that these kinds of things only exist in countries like Russia or that "evil old" Russia does things like this at an ever alarming rate compared to the West/America. It doesn't.

The Russian government no more takes anyone's property or possessions than any other country, in fact Russia does it much less than America. But try explaining that to the brainwashed or the just plain ignorant on this forum.

When it hits closer to home as in NS's case it can certainly alter your perspective. And for the record, I would be a little jaded had it happened to me or someone I cared for.

I have often said to people here in Russia that the only difference in corruption between Russia and America is America legalizes their corruption; America is easily as corrupt as Russia. :)

Yankee, you are normally level headed about most things, but in this case maybe a little behind the curve. Here's a funny, yet sad take on the reality of such things from John Oliver (many more can be found on the internet). As I mentioned, these types of situations have doubled in the past 10 years.

It not only involves cash, but personal property, and as you can see in one of the early examples, it doesn't require one to be carrying large amounts of cash for it to be confiscated.

Yes, the actual percentage of people this has happened to can seem rather small, but keep in mind that 1% of America's population is well over 3 million people. Margaritas anyone!! :laugh:

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
My earlier point about "civil forfeiture" was only to show the hypocrisy that can be prevalent here on this forum; especially coming from the West.

Now it might not have been NS1's intention, but it certainly came across that way. Canadians on this forum seem to be the worst in thinking that these kinds of things only exist in countries like Russia or that "evil old" Russia does things like this at an ever alarming rate compared to the West/America. It doesn't.

The Russian government no more takes anyone's property or possessions than any other country, in fact Russia does it much less than America. But try explaining that to the brainwashed or the just plain ignorant on this forum.

When it hits closer to home as in NS's case it can certainly alter your perspective. And for the record, I would be a little jaded had it happened to me or someone I cared for.

I have often said to people here in Russia that the only difference in corruption between Russia and America is America legalizes their corruption; America is easily as corrupt as Russia. :)

Yankee, you are normally level headed about most things, but in this case maybe a little behind the curve. Here's a funny, yet sad take on the reality of such things from John Oliver (many more can be found on the internet). As I mentioned, these types of situations have doubled in the past 10 years.

It not only involves cash, but personal property, and as you can see in one of the early examples, it doesn't require one to be carrying large amounts of cash for it to be confiscated.

Yes, the actual percentage of people this has happened to can seem rather small, but keep in mind that 1% of America's population is well over 3 million people. Margaritas anyone!! :laugh:


Crimea is no exception, which is why NS1 should quickly contact a Russian lawyer..
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 05:59:40 AM
Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?

As I am sure you understand,  but prefer to troll, there is something of a difference between seizure of cash 'on suspicion' by an individual police officer at a roadside stop and seizure of bank accounts due to the non payment of debts to the government. If unsure please read up on the procedure in the United States and then try making an informed and honest contribution.

I am sure that when YOUR accounts stopped working you had good notice of the procedure but you chose to ignore the process because,  well,  moby.

Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

If the account holder cannot supply the said proof within the arrested time limits, then the account can/may/will be seized up to the level of debt to the arrestor.

In addition, anyone owing monies to any government organisation can be stopped from leaving the country until said debt is absolved..

In fact the mechanics in The United States and it sounds like Russia are about the same for what is called garnishing of funds from a bank account.

The unfortunate reality in America is there are to many seizures of large amounts (in total) of cash by over aggressive law enforcement officers in the failed War on Drugs. Trying to reclaim the funds when innocent is very difficult and expensive. The present Attorney Lorreta Lynn(ch) has even expanded this policy.

Possibly, I do not know about the US, but in Russia, Bank accounts are rarely arrested, and if they are, its mostly done by the taxation authorities/pension fund, and in the majority of cases, its company accounts...
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 15, 2016, 07:02:52 AM

Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

If the account holder cannot supply the said proof within the arrested time limits, then the account can/may/will be seized up to the level of debt to the arrestor.

In addition, anyone owing monies to any government organisation can be stopped from leaving the country until said debt is absolved..

So, that's a very, very different thing to the point being made upthread about police taking money from people's cars on a whim...

Dan was spot on about corruption and the manner in which it is legalised in the US. I have pointed this out before now.
In the US it is now legal for a random police officer to seize cash, on whim, and without delay, from a car and its passengers. In Russia such a thing would be, to the best of my knowledge, illegal -the kind of corruption that many poor USAians complain about.

The process for reclaiming debts seems to be similar because, it is effective, simple and overt. While one might argue about whether such a thing is right or not in any given case, most societies accept the need for such a process and implement something similar. Folks like moby get caught out because they ignore the process. In the  US for police seizing cash from cars, for example, there is no process that can be seen, never mind ignored. Reclamation is costly and restitution uncommon.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2016, 08:11:33 AM


Possibly, I do not know about the US, but in Russia, Bank accounts are rarely arrested, and if they are, its mostly done by the taxation authorities/pension fund, and in the majority of cases, its company accounts...

Once again, you may well be quoting YOUR experience - but it's not that of someone we know...and the funds were taken from a PERSONAL account - without any notification of irregularities / arrears, etc., ....

How any one can offer up suggestions that one nation does this more than another seems to be unquantifiable
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2016, 08:18:55 AM


Folks like moby get caught out because they ignore the process.

Selective reading , andrewfi  ?

1/ To be absolutely clear - 'moby' is not the victim

2/ the victim had no warning - suggestion of arrears or irregularities and is / was up to date with taxes /social funding

3/ This poster sees quite a difference in a policeman - taking cash - giving a receipt / legal reason - I note you ducked the reputation for FSU cops imposing their own 'fines' - and the state removing funds from a bank account without warning - not blocking - removing


Spin on
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 08:27:17 AM



Actually, initially Bank accounts are only arrested, it is then the responsibility of the account holder to challenge the arrest, supplying the required "Burden of proof" to support the release of the account..

If the account holder cannot supply the said proof within the arrested time limits, then the account can/may/will be seized up to the level of debt to the arrestor.

In addition, anyone owing monies to any government organisation can be stopped from leaving the country until said debt is absolved..

So, that's a very, very different thing to the point being made upthread about police taking money from people's cars on a whim...

Dan was spot on about corruption and the manner in which it is legalised in the US. I have pointed this out before now.
In the US it is now legal for a random police officer to seize cash, on whim, and without delay, from a car and its passengers. In Russia such a thing would be, to the best of my knowledge, illegal -the kind of corruption that many poor USAians complain about.

The process for reclaiming debts seems to be similar because, it is effective, simple and overt. While one might argue about whether such a thing is right or not in any given case, most societies accept the need for such a process and implement something similar. Folks like moby get caught out because they ignore the process. In the  US for police seizing cash from cars, for example, there is no process that can be seen, never mind ignored. Reclamation is costly and restitution uncommon.

Andrewfi

In 'the civilised world' - does one have one's bank account raided - without warning - for 'non payment' of social fund / tax - which are up to date - without warning  ?





This is the post to which I was responding..

Nothing about the police in the US.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 15, 2016, 08:39:21 AM
I am fully aware of that. This board is not read only by you and I. For convenience I referred to your words because they supported the point I was making. The point being, in part, that what moby was trolling about had no connection with  civil forfeiture in the United States and particularly in respect of that undertaken by police stopping and seizing money from travelers in cars.

I noted that the system, as you described it, seems similar to that found in other civilised countries and is normal enough.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 08:43:02 AM
I am fully aware of that. This board is not read only by you and I. For convenience I referred to your words because they supported the point I was making. The point being, in part, that what moby was trolling about had no connection with  civil forfeiture in the United States and particularly in respect of that undertaken by police stopping and seizing money from travelers in cars.

I noted that the system, as you described it, seems similar to that found in other civilised countries and is normal enough.

 tiphat
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 08:47:16 AM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

Has your wife now got Canadian nationality, or still only Ukrainian?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:36:20 AM
What some rinky dink cops do in a rinky dink town are not normal US policy.  Don't travel with cash in your car through rural areas of Texas.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 09:45:21 AM
What some rinky dink cops do in a rinky dink town are not normal US policy.  Don't travel with cash in your car through rural areas of Texas.

This is why you call the US the land of the free......

Free to take whatever it can from joe pubic.      :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 10:01:41 AM
What some rinky dink cops do in a rinky dink town are not normal US policy.  Don't travel with cash in your car through rural areas of Texas.

This is why you call the US the land of the free......

Free to take whatever it can from joe pubic.      :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Joe Public is so stupid to travel through some hick town with lots of cash in his dashboard,  :biggrin:

Meanwhile I'm sure that Russian police and officials in small pokey towns never solicit bribes.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Danchik on April 15, 2016, 10:52:27 AM
^ I did mention the "brainwashed".

You apparently didn't watch the whole clip. The first guy was traveling from Michigan to California. They had a whole topic about Philadelphia, you know that hick town that's the 5th largest city in America, and a story about Detroit.



Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: rosco on April 15, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
What some rinky dink cops do in a rinky dink town are not normal US policy.  Don't travel with cash in your car through rural areas of Texas.

This is why you call the US the land of the free......

Free to take whatever it can from joe pubic.      :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Joe Public is so stupid to travel through some hick town with lots of cash in his dashboard,  :biggrin:

Meanwhile I'm sure that Russian police and officials in small pokey towns never solicit bribes.  :ROFL:

I could drive round Scotland with £10k on my dashboard and wouldn't have to put up with corrupt cops.....it simply doesn't happen here. I wouldn't be gunned down, I wouldn't be extorted and I have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
What some rinky dink cops do in a rinky dink town are not normal US policy.  Don't travel with cash in your car through rural areas of Texas.

This is why you call the US the land of the free......

Free to take whatever it can from joe pubic.      :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Joe Public is so stupid to travel through some hick town with lots of cash in his dashboard,  :biggrin:

Meanwhile I'm sure that Russian police and officials in small pokey towns never solicit bribes.  :ROFL:

I could drive round Scotland with £10k on my dashboard and wouldn't have to put up with corrupt cops.....it simply doesn't happen here. I wouldn't be gunned down, I wouldn't be extorted and I have nothing to fear.

A REAL jock would NEVER drive around with anymore than 10  :censored: ing p on his dashboard..

and only IF it was  :censored: ing glued down   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: NS1 on April 15, 2016, 03:48:41 PM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

Has your wife now got Canadian nationality, or still only Ukrainian?
My wife is Ukrainian with permanent residence status in Canada.
It will take another 4 years or so, before she could become a Canadian citizen.
Fighting this from here would not be worth the value of the land, from which I could gather
before the conflict was worth maybe $20,000 now who knows.

Before the conflict our intention was to turn it into a summer cottage for visits,
other family members etc. It has great view of water and short walk ( off property)
to a very nice beach. I have never been their, I have only seen pics.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 07:21:57 PM

You apparently didn't watch the whole clip. The first guy was traveling from Michigan to California. They had a whole topic about Philadelphia, you know that hick town that's the 5th largest city in America, and a story about Detroit.

I don't need to watch the whole clip.  It's you who wishes to jump to conclusions.  Both Russia and the USA are "corrupt" in different ways.

For decades police and bureaucrats in Russia have gotten bribes and it was a way to get things done; not only in small towns.

Meanwhile in the USA both money and who you know gets things done.  In particular a person with expendable wealth who is falsely accused of a crime can get out of it by hiring a top Lawyer, which costs a lot of money.  And in Russia a wealthy person might pay a bribe and avoid a trial to begin with.  Both examples of working the system.

So what's your point?  Yes it could be getting worse in the USA, which is why we need to go back to being a nation of consistent laws.  Starting by building a wall and keeping out freeloaders and criminals from the South.  I'm sure you wanted to hear that one, right? 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 11:34:54 PM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

Has your wife now got Canadian nationality, or still only Ukrainian?
My wife is Ukrainian with permanent residence status in Canada.
It will take another 4 years or so, before she could become a Canadian citizen.
Fighting this from here would not be worth the value of the land, from which I could gather
before the conflict was worth maybe $20,000 now who knows.

Before the conflict our intention was to turn it into a summer cottage for visits,
other family members etc. It has great view of water and short walk ( off property)
to a very nice beach. I have never been their, I have only seen pics.

The land has probably nearly doubled in value...

There is another way which you can try to solve this problem with if you are interested.

pm me..
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on April 15, 2016, 11:37:10 PM

You apparently didn't watch the whole clip. The first guy was traveling from Michigan to California. They had a whole topic about Philadelphia, you know that hick town that's the 5th largest city in America, and a story about Detroit.

I don't need to watch the whole clip.  It's you who wishes to jump to conclusions.  Both Russia and the USA are "corrupt" in different ways.

For decades police and bureaucrats in Russia have gotten bribes and it was a way to get things done; not only in small towns.

Meanwhile in the USA both money and who you know gets things done.  In particular a person with expendable wealth who is falsely accused of a crime can get out of it by hiring a top Lawyer, which costs a lot of money.  And in Russia a wealthy person might pay a bribe and avoid a trial to begin with.  Both examples of working the system.

So what's your point?  Yes it could be getting worse in the USA, which is why we need to go back to being a nation of consistent laws.  Starting by building a wall and keeping out freeloaders and criminals from the South.  I'm sure you wanted to hear that one, right?

Surely you mean to keep the freeloaders and criminals from the north IN...  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 28, 2016, 12:50:40 AM
Asked the wife.
the place is called Rozdolne
In the map, top left over looking the Karkinit Bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Map_of_the_Crimea.png

Has your wife now got Canadian nationality, or still only Ukrainian?
My wife is Ukrainian with permanent residence status in Canada.
It will take another 4 years or so, before she could become a Canadian citizen.
Fighting this from here would not be worth the value of the land, from which I could gather
before the conflict was worth maybe $20,000 now who knows.

Before the conflict our intention was to turn it into a summer cottage for visits,
other family members etc. It has great view of water and short walk ( off property)
to a very nice beach. I have never been their, I have only seen pics.

The land has probably nearly doubled in value...

There is another way which you can try to solve this problem with if you are interested.

pm me..

I also had my wife ask around with property owners.

It appears that after Crimea became Russian, the Russians issued a time-frame to re-register your properties from Ukrainian documents to Russian.

After the time-frame was up, nobody knows what happened, but someone else grabbing it is a distinct possibility.

One of Lena's friends was also quite disgruntled about it, because he has bad legs (walks with a cane with great difficulty) and he had to stand in line for 3 days.

Mark.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on April 30, 2016, 04:37:47 AM
Can anyone confirm if civil assets forfeiture happens in the EU or Russia?   

I believe it is only a thing of the USA. 

I really think Dan made the best decision of his life in moving to Moscow.  I admit it takes courage and lots of guts, but I definitely do not like the direction the US is taking. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on April 30, 2016, 06:25:13 AM
Can anyone confirm if civil assets forfeiture happens in the EU or Russia?   

I believe it is only a thing of the USA. 

I really think Dan made the best decision of his life in moving to Moscow.  I admit it takes courage and lots of guts, but I definitely do not like the direction the US is taking.

In Netherlands civil forfeiture happens, but usually under grave circumstances (A highway planned right over your house) and the government is obliged to pay market-prices to compensate your loss. (E.g. you have to be able to buy something else equal to what you lost.).

Mark.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on April 30, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Yeah, it is like using one word to describe another action.

What we might call civil forfeiture might be known to Britons as compulsory purchase.

What the USAians are calling civil forfeiture would be recognisable to Britons as Highway Robbery.

This is a knowing re-purposing of words to make a violent and usually illegal act sound much less unpleasant. Kinda like waterboarding is, for USAians, 'enhanced interrogation' and in the civilized world it is torture. Or 'collateral damage' is to USAians what we in civilization call (or, increasingly, used to call) civilian casualties.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on April 30, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Yeah, it is like using one word to describe another action.

What we might call civil forfeiture might be known to Britons as compulsory purchase.

What the USAians are calling civil forfeiture would be recognisable to Britons as Highway Robbery.

This is a knowing re-purposing of words to make a violent and usually illegal act sound much less unpleasant. Kinda like waterboarding is, for USAians, 'enhanced interrogation' and in the civilized world it is torture. Or 'collateral damage' is to USAians what we in civilization call (or, increasingly, used to call) civilian casualties.

As is typical of Andrew he does not understand concepts and words, but English is a difficult language for those who refuse to think.

In America there is eminent domain, not unlike what Mark describes for the Netherlands and building a highway. It is in fact part of the US Constituition.

Civil forfeiture is when the government believes your assets were obtained fraudulently or illegally. They will seize them.

Since actions of the Russians British and other allies have matched or exceeded most of what America has done in the past I would say get used to it. Any doubts look at the British atrocities during the Boer War or Russian actions in Checyna.


 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on May 01, 2016, 12:34:32 AM
Can anyone confirm if civil assets forfeiture happens in the EU or Russia?   

I believe it is only a thing of the USA. 
 

Happens here too, but not as often as the US but it will catch on. But yes, government agents wearing any one of a variety of badges, citing any one of a variety of laws, can also take your stuff. They like cash but will take property and chattels too.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on May 01, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
But there's a significant difference between what is happening in the USA and the UK. In the USA there's no need for any due process,  I think that's the term. All that is required is that an officer 'suspects' an item may have been used in commission of crime or purchased from the proceeds of criminal activity and that item can be seized. There's no requirement of any proof of that involvement, no requirement for criminal charges to be made, no requirement for further investigation to take place.

The goods seized can be used for the benefit of those who seized the items.

In essence,  the US system is essentially that some random copper can walk into your emporium,  see the lovely coffee machine,  decide that it would be a marvellous replacement for the one in the local police station canteen whereupon he will tell, you it was suspected of having been paid for by the proceeds of some unspecified criminal activity. As a result of this suspected connection he takes away the coffee machine and that's the end of the matter. No charges will be made,  no interview in connection with the supposed crime,  the matter closed with the removal of your property.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on May 01, 2016, 01:12:21 AM
Police and other agencies here can also now keep the cash and stuff they steal.

http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Money-laundering-proceeds-of-crime-and-asset-seizure/1400013160754/1400013160754

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/killer-dale-cregans-home-seized-10322339

Quote from: Leicestershire Police
'In some cases we have been able to seize goods and sell them where we have not managed to secure a criminal conviction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642946/German-armoured-vehicle-diamond-Rolex-swag-seized-criminals-sold-eBay-police.html

They particularly like seizing cash at airports that scanners detect.

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/uk-border-agency-can-seize-your-cash.html

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 01:18:45 AM
Cash should not be seized at the airport unless it is over $10,000

Are they seizing amounts less than 10k? 

How do you plan to protect yourself against this in the future Manny?  You travel a lot, you prefer cash to plastic, you are upper middle class. 

Do you think this measure will affect tourism in the UK? 

The problem with credit cards is that even though you alert the bank of upcoming travel, sometimes they stop working.  Fraud is so high that sometimes even a relatively small transaction can be found suspicious. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on May 01, 2016, 01:25:19 AM
you are upper middle class. 

Dunno about upper.

But as with all these things, one adapts and tries not to be the nail that sticks up.

But despite what Andrew may tell you, here cash below $10k is often seized unless you can prove where it came from. Having saved it over time in a sock is not proof. I saw one of those "border guard" type programmes recently where they had £4k off some bloke at an airport. They stole it from him as he hadn't paid his taxes they said.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 01:27:37 AM
Manny, do you plan on remaining in the UK the rest of your life? 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 01:30:42 AM
I would imagine a tourist can take with him/herself a receipt from the bank showing where the cash came from. 

When one travels to Europe or anywhere it is essential to take some emergency cash. 

1,000 pounds is not enough for a trip to Europe. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 01:39:47 AM
In this sense, would you say Russia would be a better place to live? 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on May 01, 2016, 02:57:30 AM
Manny, do you plan on remaining in the UK the rest of your life?

That cropped up recently here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,22373.msg439682.html#msg439682).

I would imagine a tourist can take with him/herself a receipt from the bank showing where the cash came from. 

That would likely do assuming it comes from a bank. And at home, they can check if that cash was recently paid into that bank to wash it. Here - I suspect like the US - they seldom hassle tourists. The locals are easier targets.

In this sense, would you say Russia would be a better place to live? 

That we haven't heard much about this in Russia doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It may well do. But if it does, it will be to a lesser extent.

As with anything, its about not standing out too much and looking like the next bloke and minimising ones encounters with officialdom in all its guises. Not to mention knowing your (supposed) rights.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on May 01, 2016, 03:47:18 AM
Manny,  with respect,  the first link confirms  the basis under which seizures may be made. Not under suspicion but after a case is bought before a court and proven. This is very different to what happens in the United States.

Your second link shows how you are wrong.
The seizure came about because the house buyer had used money obtained by deception, an offence for which she had been tried and found guilty and,  in addition had defrauded the mortgage company in the process of purchasing the property.

So,  not only was she guilty of criminal activity,  there's loads of due process. This was not arbitrary.

So,  this illustrates the clear difference between what happens in the United States and Britain.

All the examples you shared demonstrate that there is a due process and that is followed. Can you show a single case where a police officer, with no due process and prior authorisation 'legally' seized cash or goods from a UK citizen without any further action talking place? I am sure that you can not.

One point that I note,  £1000 cash seems a low limit for cash. I can understand why the figure is at that level but I can imagine many people carry more than that when going on holiday,  even if the reason is simply an unwillingness to pay ATM fees abroad.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 01, 2016, 04:22:23 AM
Manny, do you plan on remaining in the UK the rest of your life?

That cropped up recently here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,22373.msg439682.html#msg439682).

I would imagine a tourist can take with him/herself a receipt from the bank showing where the cash came from. 

That would likely do assuming it comes from a bank. And at home, they can check if that cash was recently paid into that bank to wash it. Here - I suspect like the US - they seldom hassle tourists. The locals are easier targets.

In this sense, would you say Russia would be a better place to live? 

That we haven't heard much about this in Russia doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It may well do. But if it does, it will be to a lesser extent.

As with anything, its about not standing out too much and looking like the next bloke and minimising ones encounters with officialdom in all its guises. Not to mention knowing your (supposed) rights.

There are several points here..

Leaving the UK with more than £1000 in cash, can be problematic if challenged by the UK customs, however, if one has proof that the cash was taken from a bank account in the travellers name, AND, does not exceed euro 10,000, there should be no problem, that is my experience, and my DiL regularly travels with cash for me UK to RU.

There are regulations on cash limits when leaving Russia, and if caught breaking them, the cash can be confiscated, and one can be arrested, as with any other country where rules are broken.

Its a bit different matter when it comes to anything else being confiscated, its not such a simple thing to do in Russia without a court order, and getting one can take some time, and the person who's property is the subject of the confiscation order is given the chance to challenge said order, that is not to say that it does not happen, but that there are rules.

Another point is the giving away of free land, this land as you may be aware, is in the far eastern regions of Russia.
The land is available to Russian citizens and foreigners, but there are differences, whereas the Russian citizen will get the title of ownership (provided they meet the requirements), the Foreigner can only claim title to the land when he/she takes Russian citizenship (and meet the laid down requirements), until then, they only have the "Right of occupancy".
If they, the foreigner builds a house on the land, then he/she will receive the title to it.

The final point is living in Russia, and as Manny correctly stated, if one keeps one's head down, gets on with their own life, does not shout out loudly about Russian politics, sticks to the rules, there should be no problem..
I have found Russian officialdom to be quiet respectful and helpful to me, registration, visa's permits etc, have always been dealt with in reasonably professional manner, and also well within the expected time frames.
I would suggest that, foreigners rights are well respected and procedures against foreigners are absolutely accurate and correctly implemented.
I have not encountered any problem with living in Russia, and feel that its the same as if I was living anywhere in the world, respect the laws and culture, abide by the rules, pay your bills, and don't make waves.

HTH
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 05:20:22 AM
Gypsy, is the maximum amount you can take out of Russia 10,000 usd as in America or is it less or more? 

Last year I had a credit card declined due to it not having the chip technology.  So I always have some emergency cash. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 01, 2016, 05:41:54 AM
Gypsy, is the maximum amount you can take out of Russia 10,000 usd as in America or is it less or more? 

Last year I had a credit card declined due to it not having the chip technology.  So I always have some emergency cash.

(Copy & pasted)

You can legally bring to Russia any amount of cash money; however you are required to declare a sum that is more than $3,000. You can legally bring out of Russia only $3,000 in cash. If you have more, the rest of the sum must be accompanied by a special certificate from a Russian bank called “Raz-resh-enih-ye nah vyh-voz vah-lyu-ty” (Permission to export currency).

HTH

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on May 01, 2016, 08:55:29 AM

The final point is living in Russia, and as Manny correctly stated, if one keeps one's head down, gets on with their own life, does not shout out loudly about Russian politics, sticks to the rules, there should be no problem..
I have found Russian officialdom to be quiet respectful and helpful to me, registration, visa's permits etc, have always been dealt with in reasonably professional manner, and also well within the expected time frames.
I would suggest that, foreigners rights are well respected and procedures against foreigners are absolutely accurate and correctly implemented.
I have not encountered any problem with living in Russia, and feel that its the same as if I was living anywhere in the world, respect the laws and culture, abide by the rules, pay your bills, and don't make waves.

HTH

Gypsy your post is spot on  :thumbsup: In the for what is worth the same holds true more or less around the world.

Andrew you are lying in regards to how things work in the United States and because of earlier posts you have made and or commented on I suspect you know it. Why not stay with weight loss you have built up (no pun intended) some expertise there?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Manny on May 01, 2016, 11:48:48 AM
Manny,  with respect,  the first link confirms  the basis under which seizures may be made. Not under suspicion but after a case is bought before a court and proven.

What happens is they steal your money and do their best to keep it. You then have to go to court to prove the legitimacy of said money/asset. If you cant, its gone - that's all. Often people cant for all kinds of reasons. They call it "proceeds of crime" (tax evasion) and you kiss it goodbye.

You don't get legal aid to fight the government in court to get your cash/asset back either. Cant afford good lawyers (maybe because they have stolen your cash?) then again, kiss it goodbye.

The legal processes all sound rather spiffing and well-regulated, but remember councils, police forces and other bodies can now keep what they steal. So they are motivated to defend the "legal" theft.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 01, 2016, 10:49:43 PM
Gypsy, where does one declare the excess of 3k? 

At the DME airport everything is electronic.  I recall just presenting my passport to the official and he printed some document and I think I signed it and that was it.  So basically you don't fill out any paperwork, they have it in the computer from when you applied for the visa. 

I know I was extremely jetlagged, nervous and tired, but I don't recall going through an actual customs official. 

I only recall going through immigration and then shortly after there is the carrousel where one gets his / her luggage. 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on May 01, 2016, 11:43:06 PM
Gypsy, where does one declare the excess of 3k? 

At the DME airport everything is electronic.  I recall just presenting my passport to the official and he printed some document and I think I signed it and that was it.  So basically you don't fill out any paperwork, they have it in the computer from when you applied for the visa. 

I know I was extremely jetlagged, nervous and tired, but I don't recall going through an actual customs official. 

I only recall going through immigration and then shortly after there is the carrousel where one gets his / her luggage.
After you pickup your luggage, you can choose 2 exits. Green and Red.

If you choose red, you have something to declare. (money in this case). If you choose green and do not get checked random, you are in the passengers hall where cabbies will be trying to make deals.

Mark
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 02, 2016, 01:46:54 AM
Spasiba Bolshoi.  Ya ponimayu.   :plane:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Omega1982 on May 02, 2016, 01:49:08 AM
I imagine you are given some kind of document stating you are bringing X amount of cash into the country correct? 
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 02, 2016, 03:52:23 AM
I imagine you are given some kind of document stating you are bringing X amount of cash into the country correct?

Going through the RED channel, as was rightly said above, Customs will, if they are interested, give you a cash import declaration, beware, if you bring in too much, more than they would expect you to use for a holiday, they may refuse to believe you, what happens then God only knows..

Why you wish to carry so much in cash is beyond me, cash machines are plenty, just make sure that your bank/s know that you will be drawing cash/paying bills in Russia..

Hotels/restaurant's/ even Mc Donald's all take cards, even clubs/bars, so cash is only really needed for taxi's..

HTH.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 03:56:05 AM
so cash is only really needed for taxi's..

HTH.

Taxis, Tips and Tarts - the traveler's three T's
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 02, 2016, 03:57:31 AM
so cash is only really needed for taxi's..

HTH.

Taxis, Tips and Tarts - the traveler's three T's

Tips go on the card also..

Some tarts probably also have a card reader handy... Its Russia...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Markje on May 02, 2016, 05:17:47 AM
Why you wish to carry so much in cash is beyond me, cash machines are plenty, just make sure that your bank/s know that you will be drawing cash/paying bills in Russia..
Unless you goto Crimea, foreign cards afaik still do not work there.

I send the money ahead to My wife's bank account in Krasnodar, but its costing me a 1% fee and the exchange-rate is also not stellar. (grr).

I truly hope this year i can use Mastercard/Maestro , either one will work for me.

Mark.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on May 05, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows someone who has taken up on this offer?

Yep, Russia's Giving Away Free Land

Russia's version of the US Homestead Act. Throw in a mule and we have a deal...

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russians-given-free-land-countrys-far-east/ri14207
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 05:23:11 AM
80% of Brits would be happy to quit UK for RUSSIA after Putin offers free land

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669935/80-per-cent-Brits-move-UK-to-RUSSIA-Putin-offers-free-land
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 13, 2016, 05:36:49 AM
80% of Brits would be happy to quit UK for RUSSIA after Putin offers free land

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669935/80-per-cent-Brits-move-UK-to-RUSSIA-Putin-offers-free-land

Quote
Others pointed to the upcoming EU referendum and a possible vote against Brexit as motivation to make the move 500 miles east to ‘the land where ice meets fire.’


Righto!

BS article. Firstly, how many would go realistically and how many would actually survive it? Very very few. Only those who live a similar lifestyle/way of life now have any hope.

Alot of people thinking the grass is always greener - where will they get their financed cars they can't afford?  Half these numpties would struggle to change a car tyre, yet alone start a new life in a country they know FA about.

Seems like Russia is in favour atm, I wonder if it's deal striking time soon?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Steveboy on May 13, 2016, 05:43:49 AM
Don't forget if you relocate and have three kids you will also have a few extras thrown in!!

If my wife never had kids I would be there like a shock.. Some nice cities out there in Siberia  :party0011:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 05:50:43 AM
80% of Brits would be happy to quit UK for RUSSIA after Putin offers free land

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669935/80-per-cent-Brits-move-UK-to-RUSSIA-Putin-offers-free-land

Quote
Others pointed to the upcoming EU referendum and a possible vote against Brexit as motivation to make the move 500 miles east to ‘the land where ice meets fire.’


Righto!

BS article. Firstly, how many would go realistically and how many would actually survive it? Very very few. Only those who live a similar lifestyle/way of life now have any hope.

Alot of people thinking the grass is always greener - where will they get their financed cars they can't afford?  Half these numpties would struggle to change a car tyre, yet alone start a new life in a country they know FA about.

Seems like Russia is in favour atm, I wonder if it's deal striking time soon?



Kinda reminds me of those that want a Russian wife, but never set foot in country.
Wanting and making it happen depends on the person.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM
80% of Brits would be happy to quit UK for RUSSIA after Putin offers free land

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669935/80-per-cent-Brits-move-UK-to-RUSSIA-Putin-offers-free-land

Quote
Others pointed to the upcoming EU referendum and a possible vote against Brexit as motivation to make the move 500 miles east to ‘the land where ice meets fire.’


Righto!

BS article. Firstly, how many would go realistically and how many would actually survive it? Very very few. Only those who live a similar lifestyle/way of life now have any hope.

Alot of people thinking the grass is always greener - where will they get their financed cars they can't afford?  Half these numpties would struggle to change a car tyre, yet alone start a new life in a country they know FA about.

Seems like Russia is in favour atm, I wonder if it's deal striking time soon?



Kinda reminds me of those that want a Russian wife, but never set foot in country.
Wanting and making it happen depends on the person.

Do you need a passport for Putin's offer??  :laugh:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: msmoby on May 13, 2016, 11:29:12 AM
Just wondering if anyone knows someone who has taken up on this offer?

I asked a neighbour - who moved FROM the far east last summer if he'd go back .. 

I guess the offer might need to be opened up to the Brits..who've never experienced the winters ...As yet - I haven't heard of anyone taking up the offer..

Fair play to those who do - even if I was younger - pioneering's not for me.

I expect they'll need to throw in discount fights to Crimea



Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
Foreigners are included in the free land offer, but they won't own it outright.


Communists seek to expand free land handover program from Russian Far East to Siberia

(Quote)
The document provides for the free handover of 1 hectare (about 2.5 acres) of land to anyone who applies for the program. However, foreign citizens will only be allowed to utilize the land, not own it outright. Registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

https://www.rt.com/politics/342891-communists-want-to-expand-free/
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 16, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Foreigners are included in the free land offer, but they won't own it outright.


Communists seek to expand free land handover program from Russian Far East to Siberia

(Quote)
The document provides for the free handover of 1 hectare (about 2.5 acres) of land to anyone who applies for the program. However, foreign citizens will only be allowed to utilize the land, not own it outright. Registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

https://www.rt.com/politics/342891-communists-want-to-expand-free/

All I want to know is, how many 40sqm apartments can I build on that land?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AvHdB on May 16, 2016, 12:40:08 PM
Foreigners are included in the free land offer, but they won't own it outright.


Communists seek to expand free land handover program from Russian Far East to Siberia

(Quote)
The document provides for the free handover of 1 hectare (about 2.5 acres) of land to anyone who applies for the program. However, foreign citizens will only be allowed to utilize the land, not own it outright. Registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

https://www.rt.com/politics/342891-communists-want-to-expand-free/

All I want to know is, how many 40sqm apartments can I build on that land?

You are asking the wrong question. How many people want to move in? Perhaps you can entice some from Syria with a free month. Tell them they will get free snow shoveling lessons as a freebie.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 16, 2016, 12:44:03 PM
Foreigners are included in the free land offer, but they won't own it outright.


Communists seek to expand free land handover program from Russian Far East to Siberia

(Quote)
The document provides for the free handover of 1 hectare (about 2.5 acres) of land to anyone who applies for the program. However, foreign citizens will only be allowed to utilize the land, not own it outright. Registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

https://www.rt.com/politics/342891-communists-want-to-expand-free/

All I want to know is, how many 40sqm apartments can I build on that land?

You are asking the wrong question.

Am I? If one wants 40sqm apartments then one is asking the right question.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 16, 2016, 01:37:24 PM
^
I don't know the exact locations of the land on offer, but, you should reckon that it will not be too near any large towns/cities.

Although though they have stated that they will put in electric, it may be a fair distance from the nearest sub-station, and may also be subject to larger than normal voltage fluctuations, and possible regular cuts/wire breakages.

You will most certainly need to build a canal and sewage/cess pit system, there may almost certainly not be any water supply to the place, so a well will be needed, and the chances of a gas pipeline to the property will be small..

Then you will need to build yourself (or pay someone else) a warm home on the property and work the land in some way or another..

There is also talk of other land in Siberia being made available..

HTH
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 17, 2016, 06:23:13 AM
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I don't know the exact locations of the land on offer, but, you should reckon that it will not be too near any large towns/cities.

Although though they have stated that they will put in electric, it may be a fair distance from the nearest sub-station, and may also be subject to larger than normal voltage fluctuations, and possible regular cuts/wire breakages.

You will most certainly need to build a canal and sewage/cess pit system, there may almost certainly not be any water supply to the place, so a well will be needed, and the chances of a gas pipeline to the property will be small..

Then you will need to build yourself (or pay someone else) a warm home on the property and work the land in some way or another..

There is also talk of other land in Siberia being made available..

HTH

Gipsy,

I wasn't being serious. However if I was I wouldn't be worried about electrical fluctuations or gas pipeline. Small generator and a small gas tank somewhere on the land would be just fine.  Nice Aga and log fires around the house too.

Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 17, 2016, 06:32:40 AM
^
I don't know the exact locations of the land on offer, but, you should reckon that it will not be too near any large towns/cities.

Although though they have stated that they will put in electric, it may be a fair distance from the nearest sub-station, and may also be subject to larger than normal voltage fluctuations, and possible regular cuts/wire breakages.

You will most certainly need to build a canal and sewage/cess pit system, there may almost certainly not be any water supply to the place, so a well will be needed, and the chances of a gas pipeline to the property will be small..

Then you will need to build yourself (or pay someone else) a warm home on the property and work the land in some way or another..

There is also talk of other land in Siberia being made available..

HTH

Gipsy,

I wasn't being serious. However if I was I wouldn't be worried about electrical fluctuations or gas pipeline. Small generator and a small gas tank somewhere on the land would be just fine.  Nice Aga and log fires around the house too.

I know you were not being serious..

btw, you would also need a chain saw and an axe..   :ROFL:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  TIMBER..    :ROFL:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: AKA Luke on May 17, 2016, 06:36:44 AM
^
I don't know the exact locations of the land on offer, but, you should reckon that it will not be too near any large towns/cities.

Although though they have stated that they will put in electric, it may be a fair distance from the nearest sub-station, and may also be subject to larger than normal voltage fluctuations, and possible regular cuts/wire breakages.

You will most certainly need to build a canal and sewage/cess pit system, there may almost certainly not be any water supply to the place, so a well will be needed, and the chances of a gas pipeline to the property will be small..

Then you will need to build yourself (or pay someone else) a warm home on the property and work the land in some way or another..

There is also talk of other land in Siberia being made available..

HTH

Gipsy,

I wasn't being serious. However if I was I wouldn't be worried about electrical fluctuations or gas pipeline. Small generator and a small gas tank somewhere on the land would be just fine.  Nice Aga and log fires around the house too.



btw, you would also need a chain saw and an axe..   :ROFL:


Incase of crazy Evgeni's and Ivan's?
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Gipsy on May 17, 2016, 06:41:36 AM
^
I don't know the exact locations of the land on offer, but, you should reckon that it will not be too near any large towns/cities.

Although though they have stated that they will put in electric, it may be a fair distance from the nearest sub-station, and may also be subject to larger than normal voltage fluctuations, and possible regular cuts/wire breakages.

You will most certainly need to build a canal and sewage/cess pit system, there may almost certainly not be any water supply to the place, so a well will be needed, and the chances of a gas pipeline to the property will be small..

Then you will need to build yourself (or pay someone else) a warm home on the property and work the land in some way or another..

There is also talk of other land in Siberia being made available..

HTH

Gipsy,

I wasn't being serious. However if I was I wouldn't be worried about electrical fluctuations or gas pipeline. Small generator and a small gas tank somewhere on the land would be just fine.  Nice Aga and log fires around the house too.



btw, you would also need a chain saw and an axe..   :ROFL:


Incase of crazy Evgeni's and Ivan's?

Nah, for them you need a pump action shotgun....   :bow:
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
After reading this, I think the winters might be just a bit too cold for my liking.

Russia gives away first free land in Far East

https://www.rt.com/business/345022-russia-far-east-free-land/
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on September 09, 2016, 03:12:17 PM
Free land program gathers pace in Russia's Far East

http://rbth.com/business/2016/09/09/free-land-program-gathers-pace-in-russias-far-east_628575
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: SuperPanda on September 13, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Free land program gathers pace in Russia's Far East

http://rbth.com/business/2016/09/09/free-land-program-gathers-pace-in-russias-far-east_628575
I was literally just reading this before seeing your post, this seems like such a great idea to entice investment into what appears to be an under utilised part of Russia.

I do wonder if foreigners can apply, I know there are reports that you won't own the land but you can work it and I wouldn't mind that personally if it suitable for agricultural use.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
95,000 Russians Have Already Applied for Free Land in Far East Under Russia's Homesteading Act

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/95000-russians-have-already-applied-free-land-far-east-under-russias-homesteading-act
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: el_guero on July 11, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
95,000 Russians Have Already Applied for Free Land in Far East Under Russia's Homesteading Act

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/95000-russians-have-already-applied-free-land-far-east-under-russias-homesteading-act

BUT, according to the OP, they expected 30 million ... I would think the first 95,000 might get all the good plots.
Title: Re: Russia is giving away free land.
Post by: andrewfi on July 12, 2017, 02:27:34 AM

BUT, according to the OP, they expected 30 million ... I would think the first 95,000 might get all the good plots.

Which 'OP' do you mean?

Think for a second. What is the population of Russia? Do you REALLY think that 30% of the population (men, women, children, pensioners, sick and infirm) are going to up sticks within a year to go live in Siberia?

The ACTUAL, non imagined, not fantasy, goal is that by 2035 the population of the region will have doubled to  11.2 million from today's 6.2 million. Most of the earliest applications come from people who already live and farm the region. Next will come those who want to build summer homes in the area and then will come 'the rest'.

1 hectare is not a lot of land, not enough for a farm. It will add on to existing developments or become the seed of a larger development. However there's no fear that 'all the good plots will be taken'. Russia, Siberia, is not a small area like the United States and it took quite a time to 'fill up' the Wild West with settlers, yes?