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New Chemical Weapons attack in Syria. As usual the West is blaming Assad of Syria and Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/05/syria-chemical-attack-investigators-seek-samples-survivors-sarin-gas
I will post this link again for those interested in What HRC and Obama and the Saudi's were up to.
https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/792590527308763137
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It is VERY unlikely that Assad has used Sarin. He knows from experience (2013) how the use of such weapons inflames world opinion. Also Putin will have issued a STRICT prohibition.
Look who gains from this action. The rag-tag remnants of the opposition who were forced from Aleppo into Idlib province. The most powerful group is an off shoot of Al Qaeda and they are known to have plundered chemical weapons from government arms depots which they captured.
The current line is that an Al Qaeda arms depot was hit by a rocket attack. It is plausible, but I think it more likely that the extremists released the Sarin deliberately...
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I'm going with the RU-Official line.
The west blaming it on Assad is laughable, its all propaganda.
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In considering propaganda for elements of truth (as opposed to fact) it is a good idea to identify the 'win'. Who 'wins' from the story?
At the same time remember that even evil is usually rational and that rational people or groups do not usually do irrational things.
In this case I am of the opinion that Russia knows the attack to be a true false flag event but has chosen a plausible alternative narrative because the true story is one that the world TV audience is not ready to receive just yet.
There simply is no rational reason for the Syrian air force to attack as they are supposed.
On a more mundane level, al qaida's White Helmets were filmed and photographed handling victims with bare hands and without respirators and yet did not die or suffer other ill effect from contact with the skin and clothing of the purported victims.
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After this event it would seem that the US soft coup is almost complete.
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It is VERY unlikely that Assad has used Sarin. He knows from experience (2013) how the use of such weapons inflames world opinion. Also Putin will have issued a STRICT prohibition.
Look who gains from this action. The rag-tag remnants of the opposition who were forced from Aleppo into Idlib province. The most powerful group is an off shoot of Al Qaeda and they are known to have plundered chemical weapons from government arms depots which they captured.
The current line is that an Al Qaeda arms depot was hit by a rocket attack. It is plausible, but I think it more likely that the extremists released the Sarin deliberately...
I agree 100% with what you wrote here. I suspect it was the Soros financed "white hats" who have been shown to be working alongside Al Queda.
Assad would gain nothing and possibly lose everything by doing this.
I'm only hopeful that Trump is wise enough to see this for what it is: false flag operation.
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From what I have read I tend to think this event was staged. Russian insider has several good articles on the subject.
Gloves Are for Sissies: Photographs Show White Helmets Are Immune to Sarin
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/gloves-are-sissies-photographs-show-white-helmets-are-immune-sarin/ri19458
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From what I have read I tend to think this event was staged. Russian insider has several good articles on the subject.
Gloves Are for Sissies: Photographs Show White Helmets Are Immune to Sarin
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/gloves-are-sissies-photographs-show-white-helmets-are-immune-sarin/ri19458
Photo of the same girl used over and over by fake news CNN.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8xC6O4VYAE6slq.jpg)
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Too late for recriminations, more than 50 tomahawk missiles were fired at a Syrian air base which the USA claims was used to launch the chemical weapons attack from.
It's been 100 years since WWI. Will historians mark this as the day that WWIII was started? Let's hope this attack is more of a message and that cooler heads will prevail.
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Too late for recriminations, more than 50 tomahawk missiles were fired at a Syrian air base which the USA claims was used to launch the chemical weapons attack from.
It's been 100 years since WWI. Will historians mark this as the day that WWIII was started? Let's hope this attack is more of a message and that cooler heads will prevail.
It's been confirmed that the United states was in communication with Moscow prior to the military strike.
Will this be a start of WWlll? I highly doubt it.
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Too late for recriminations, more than 50 tomahawk missiles were fired at a Syrian air base which the USA claims was used to launch the chemical weapons attack from.
It's been 100 years since WWI. Will historians mark this as the day that WWIII was started? Let's hope this attack is more of a message and that cooler heads will prevail.
It's been confirmed that the United states was in communication with Moscow prior to the military strike.
Will this be a start of WWlll? I highly doubt it.
Too early to say. Trump is in a pickle now as he allowed the neocons to have too much influence.
The usual bad actors will be pushing hard for war as it keeps them in business and makes them wealthy.
Edit:
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/850201747855335425
NEW :Death of Brigadier General Khalil Issa Ibrahim Commander of 2nd battalion 136th Regiment @ Shuayrat Airbase - Translation
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Rex Tillerson says that there was no communication with Russia before making this foolish and counterproductive demonstration of support for US allies ISIS and al QAIDA.
I think that we can now regard the soft coup in the united states as complete.
Please turn out the lights as you leave the building.
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Well, well... It seems 'Tramp' will not be so popular on here, any more.
I cannot understand how any one could suggest the US would want Daesh to 'win' over Assad.
Question is: Is this a one off warning to say 'stop bombing civilians from the air' or is it a sea change 'remove Assad's regime' ?
Was the original gas attack 'staged'? I I seriously doubt it.
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Its Saddam "Weapons of mass destruction" Hussein all over again!
Assad must go, he's a bad man. We will create the narrative if it doesn't exist.
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Been reading about Sarin. Not the nastiest of stuff but those Al qaida guys without gloves knew there was no risk before getting their hoses out.
The vapour from Sarin is trapped in clothing. Double layer rubber gloves are normal for people doing decontamination. Those guys should, at the least, have been unable to work.
Also, where's the affected animals?
The effects are not as bad as some have suggested: broken bones from muscle contraction and the like. That's VX gas. Most people affected by Sarin will be OK after a few hours. From what I read it seems that too many people died! The ratio of deaths to affected seems wrong.
Whether what happened was preplanned or opportunistic Trump seems to have been forced into a corner. On the other hand the US attack seems to have been long on bang and short on damage. Miraculously the Sarin storage at the airfield was not hit. (sarcasm).
Was the attack planned as a minimal response? I guess that we will find out in the next 48 hours.
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Interesting article on the Trump element here: http://thesaker.is/the-trump-administration-goes-neocon-crazy/
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Interesting article on the Trump element here: http://thesaker.is/the-trump-administration-goes-neocon-crazy/
This Saker character doesn't paint the USA or our foreign policy in very good light, but sadly since the Korean war many of our actions have not ended well.
Overall his commentary about neocons is precise and true -- none of their sons or daughters ever go to war and they really do not represent America.
The part about this is a way to ruin Trump's Presidency -- that's what I suspect. I really hope he listens to Rand Paul and avoids any more actions in the middle east (and I hope to win the Mega Millions lottery tonight).
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Interesting article on the Trump element here: http://thesaker.is/the-trump-administration-goes-neocon-crazy/
Saker seems to believe Trump is stupid. Here's a different take.
1) Order Syria bombing , 2) Eat nice dinner with the Chinese, 3) Syria bombed, 4) Discuss North Korea with Chinese. Best poker play ever!
https://twitter.com/BoatFoot1/status/850164993299501056
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Saker is a good analyst, it is his profession. By specialty he is a military analyst. he knows his onions.
On the whole I am sure he does not think Trump is stupid, that is just poor comprehension on the part of the reader, or possibly confirmation bias.
I find it hard to believe, given what we are seeing, that Trump has been backed into a corner. Just imagine how hard it would be to persuade, in probably a single speech to the nation, that there has been some kind of false flag run by the CIA or its proxies?
The action in Syria was clearly designed to force the response we have seen.
Remember Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation, congruent with the known facts is likely to be the correct one. The crazy poker player movie simply is too complex to be true and does not fit the evidence because that implies that Trump was a knowing and willing party to a massacre and we have no evidence to suggest that he is a psychopath.
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quick comment from my wife "another stupid president"
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Note to Moderators
I didn't see this thread and made several posts on the subject here.
Sorry about that, maybe someone can move them for me?
Thanks,
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There is a huge discrepancy between,the white house and the Kremlin as to how successful the strike on Syria actually was? From this drone footage it looks to be very minimal damage. Where the satellite images posted by the white house shows much heavier damage. In this instance I believe Russia is trying to downplay the success saying less than half the missiles hit their intended target.
Russian military posts drone footage of aftermath of US strike on Syria
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-military-posts-drone-footage-135435899.html
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These cruise missiles travel at speeds of 500plus miles per hour.
So one would expect any parts of the missile would make some kind of impact at least partially being imbedded into soft ground. By the photo in this article there seems to be a real lack of authenticity, as not even a blade of grass is damaged.
$1.5 Million US Missile Liberates Syrian Guy's Garden
http://russia-insider.com/en/overpriced-us-missile-lands-syrian-guys-garden/ri19484
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My post above had an important word missing: not
Given what we are now seeing it is my impression that trump was purposefully backed into a corner from which the only viable response was a rapid military one.
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In regards to whether or not this was a false flag operation, the US states that they observed jets taking off from that air base on radar and going to the site of where the chemical weapons were dispersed and then going back to that base, apparently twice. Shortly after news came of the effects of chemical weapons on civilians in that area.
On Tuesday, US military radar systems monitored a Syrian Air Force fixed-wing aircraft take off from Shayrat and fly over Khan Sheikhoun on two occasions - at 06:37 local time (03:37 GMT) and 06:46.
US military officials told NBC News that the radar systems picked up flashes on the ground, indicating that ordnance had been dropped on the rebel-held town.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39531045
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This is a very interesting article. This guy calls the missile strike on Shayrat a sham.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9089/americas-tomahawk-missile-attack-on-syrias-shayrat-air-base-was-a-sham
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From the department of things that would be funny if not so sad: news that radar can track planes flying and dropping munitions. Confirmation that the Syrian air force did what we already know. They carried out a bombing mission against a terrorist weapons facility.
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From the department of things that would be funny if not so sad: news that radar can track planes flying and dropping munitions. Confirmation that the Syrian air force did what we already know. They carried out a bombing mission against a terrorist weapons facility.
You may already know what you think you know but some casual readers of the thread may wish to decide for themselves. Consequently I post a variety of links and thoughts, some which contradict the others.
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Tyler Rogoway is the editor at Time Inc's The War Zone. This is his updated article on the missile strike on Shayrat airbase.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9060/us-launched-tomahawk-missile-attack-on-shayrat-air-base-in-syria
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Here is an interesting article from the Mail that they have mysteriously deleted............
http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html
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Here is an interesting article from the Mail that they have mysteriously deleted............
http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html
Except that Obama did not use his red line when it was crossed... ???
(what the article claims was in the works is possible, but was it carried out? not using his red line makes me think no)
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What will Russia's response to the missile strike be? From a Russian source in English.
http://rbth.com/defence/2017/04/07/how-will-russia-respond-to-the-us-missile-strike-on-syrias-airbase_737622
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Liberal media (:)
MSNBC host’s conspiracy theory: What if Putin planned the Syrian chemical attack to help Trump?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/08/msnbc-hosts-conspiracy-theory-what-if-putin-planned-the-syrian-chemical-attack-to-help-trump/?utm_term=.e5336dae3041
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Liberal media (:)
MSNBC host’s conspiracy theory: What if Putin planned the Syrian chemical attack to help Trump?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/08/msnbc-hosts-conspiracy-theory-what-if-putin-planned-the-syrian-chemical-attack-to-help-trump/?utm_term=.e5336dae3041
:'(
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Reuters: Russia, Iran Joint Command Center Will 'Respond With Force' If US Strikes Syria Again
http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-russia-and-iran-say-they-will-respond-force-if-us-strikes-syria-again/ri19518
Trump's National Security Advisor Planning 'Full-Scale War' in Syria
http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-trumps-national-security-adviser-wants-full-scale-war-syria/ri19516
Report: US Boots on the Ground in Syria by June
http://russia-insider.com/en/report-us-plans-send-troops-syria-enforce-safe-zones/ri19514
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"It's Trump. He's going to bomb one of your airbases. What time is convenient?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8-wU1oV0AEqpzC.jpg)
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As a rule, RT, and Ruptly,do a better job. If the damage caused by a stray missile amounts to a couple broken windows and a small hole in open ground, it's not a story worth telling.
Ruptly films Syrian village hit in US missile strike on Syrian airfield (VIDEO)
https://www.rt.com/news/384144-syria-village-tomahawks-strike-aftermath/
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Liberal leaders who are warmongers want to fire Tulsi Gabbard of Hawii because she is against another middle east war.
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/851133109265457152
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/politics/democratic-leaders-gabbard-syria/index.html :coffeeread:
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Anonymous scorce,
Breaking News fromNewsmax.com
The United States has concluded Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week, a senior U.S. official said Monday.The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.
The official said the presence of the surveillance drone over the hospital couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment.The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity, didn't give precise timing for when the drone was above the town of Khan Sheikhtoun, where more than 80 people were killed. He also didn't provide all the details for the military and intelligence information that form the basis of what he said the Pentagon has now concluded.The allegation is grave, even by the standards of the currently dismal U.S.-Russian relations.Although Russia has steadfastly supported Syrian President Bashar Assad's government, and they've coordinated military attacks together, Washington has never previously accused Moscow of complicity in any attack that involved the gassing of innocent civilians, including children.
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Anonymous scorce,
Breaking News fromNewsmax.com
The United States has concluded Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week, a senior U.S. official said Monday.The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.
The official said the presence of the surveillance drone over the hospital couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment.The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity, didn't give precise timing for when the drone was above the town of Khan Sheikhtoun, where more than 80 people were killed. He also didn't provide all the details for the military and intelligence information that form the basis of what he said the Pentagon has now concluded.The allegation is grave, even by the standards of the currently dismal U.S.-Russian relations.Although Russia has steadfastly supported Syrian President Bashar Assad's government, and they've coordinated military attacks together, Washington has never previously accused Moscow of complicity in any attack that involved the gassing of innocent civilians, including children.
Clearly if this is true and there's irrefutable evidence of it dark days are coming.
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Anonymous scorce,
Breaking News fromNewsmax.com
The United States has concluded Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week, a senior U.S. official said Monday.The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.
The official said the presence of the surveillance drone over the hospital couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment.The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity, didn't give precise timing for when the drone was above the town of Khan Sheikhtoun, where more than 80 people were killed. He also didn't provide all the details for the military and intelligence information that form the basis of what he said the Pentagon has now concluded.The allegation is grave, even by the standards of the currently dismal U.S.-Russian relations.Although Russia has steadfastly supported Syrian President Bashar Assad's government, and they've coordinated military attacks together, Washington has never previously accused Moscow of complicity in any attack that involved the gassing of innocent civilians, including children.
If I am searching for " Khan Sheikhtoun bomb hospital" , I find at least 20 headlines first-page of google with nearly exactly the same content. as above. Fishy, fishy.
Some sources even omit the "US Official" and made it "Official" ... which is even more grave, if you're just reading headlines you might be convinced there is solid evidence now.
Twisting the truth here, after many people didn't believe in the validity of the gas-attack in the first place? In Netherlands people were not impressed with the proof that assad did it. Looks like the public is catching on.
There aren't any unrelated sources to this anonymous source even, that a hospital was bombed there by an airstrike.
Anyone care to help me find any?
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Anonymous scorce,
The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity, didn't give precise timing for when the drone was above the town of Khan Sheikhtoun, where more than 80 people were killed. He also didn't provide all the details for the military and intelligence information that form the basis of what he said the Pentagon has now concluded.
Having read the above, forgive me for being a sceptic. Anyone can make bold claims without providing evidence but unless it's in the press, we'd get the piss taken out of us for time wasting & telling lies.
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Alternative media viewpoint about Syrian gas attack.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/struggling-to-prove-assad-did-chemical-attack-colonial-media-resorts-to-character-assassination/
Journalist Vanessa Beeley, who has visited Syria many times through the duration of this terrible war for investigative journalism work, has written endlessly that exposes the White Helmets and their affiliations to Al-Qaeda in many articles that can be seen here. And like amateurs, videos of Al-Qaeda executing people and the White Helmets dealing with the bodies have been released, as well as many photographs of the White Helmets celebrating with Al-Qaeda side-by-side, or members of the White Helmets fighting with Al-Qaeda themselves. These are the people that the colonial media are relying on for information and condemning the Syrian government for supposedly targeting their own civilians, for no reason whatsoever.
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BREAKING: Putin Says Russia Has Information About Another False Flag Being Planned in Syria
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/breaking-putin-says-russia-has-information-about-another-false-flag-being-planned-syria
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Here is an interesting article from the Mail that they have mysteriously deleted............
http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html
I guess this is why the article has been deleted:
Daily Mail in £100,000-plus payout over Syrian chemical weapons story
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jun/26/daily-mail-syrian-chemical-weapons-libel
Martin Wood, for Associated Newspapers, said in a statement before the judge, Mrs Justice Nicola Davies: "My lady, on behalf of the defendant, I confirm that the defendant offers its sincere apologies to the claimants for the damage and distress caused by the publication of these false allegations, which had appeared on US websites.
"The defendant acknowledges that the emails in question were completely fabricated and that there is no question of any of the claimants being involved – or even considering becoming involved – in the heinous actions to which the article referred. The defendant is pleased to set the record straight."
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Over the last few months the media has all to often used antimony for sources. The majority of the questionable articles could be branded fake news.
What I find irritating is opinions can be formed by false facts. Common sense says Russia and Assad gained nothing from a chemical attack.
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White House Accuses Russia of Cover-Up in Syria Chemical Attack
New York Times By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
read about it here
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/russia-syria-chemical-weapons-white-house.html?_r=0
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Declassified U.S. Report on Chemical Weapons Attack
The White House released a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, asserting that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”
read all about it here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/document-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.html
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Declassified U.S. Report on Chemical Weapons Attack
The White House released a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, asserting that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”
read all about it here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/document-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.html
I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.
Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?
There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.
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Just posin' wid me homies: https://goo.gl/photos/vqX7MuGTTthpPR6k9
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Declassified U.S. Report on Chemical Weapons Attack
The White House released a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, asserting that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”
read all about it here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/document-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.html
I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.
Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?
There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.
I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.
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I think, AvHdB, that the word 'veracity' does not mean what you think it does.
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I think, AvHdB, that the word 'veracity' does not mean what you think it does.
From an online dictionary "1. habitual observance of truth in speech or statement; truthfulness:"
Andrew, Some times I also doubt your comprehension of the English language and the meaning of certain words. Av
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I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.
Really?
Then how would you decide if the evidence fits the Russian or the American narrative.
Russians: We hit a rebel weapons depot during an attack
Americans: Sarin gas was dropped during a raid
I'd say that for outsiders, the difference is not visible, and you will have to go by what is known.
What is known:
People died of a Sarin-Gas attack.
White helmets rescued victims without protective clothing.
Eye-witness accounts and other evidence is mostly gathered from the same white helmets.
White-helmets are known collaborators of ISIS.
Markje Deduction:
White-Helmets have an interest to cast Assad in a bad light. Therefore, hitting a depot of weapons is equally , if not more plausible.
Now I'd like to hear your evidence and assesment of it.
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Both Russia and the United States of America lie their asses off if it suits their political end game; this is not a mystery for someone with a grain of common sense and a brain they use on a regular basis.
I saw on twitter someone asked the question: dead children at the site of the terror attacks on Coptic church's in Egypt, is Trump going to bomb Egypt now?
The media which is controlled by those who are neither Christian nor Muslim decided long ago that Christian deaths did not matter, only the deaths of muslim women and children (whether staged or not) matter as those deaths suit their Globalist agenda and would aid in the overthrow of yet another foreign government; then there's the pipeline as well.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/isis-kills-dozens-in-egypt-palm-sunday-church-attacks/#8zKLpSbWfxUuIQex.99
Photo of the aftermath of bombing on Coptic church. Dead children? Yes, but their photos did not suit the agenda.
(http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/04/ISIS-Egypt-church-attack.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv_YQ3kVMAAmdmK.jpg)
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... the meaning of certain words.
Yeah..can someone help with a word used above.
Posted by: Tom Cat
« on: Yesterday at 04:30:16 PM »
Over the last few months the media has all to often used antimony for sources
I thought antimony is a metal ???
Couldn't find any other use.
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I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.
Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?
There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.
The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie? I thought you would bring up faking
the moon landing(s) as evidence of Russian honesty. It's more recent than
the Kennedy assassination(s). Which assassination JFK or RFK are you
presenting as proof of Russian incorruptibility? Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?
Should I look at British Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's potential UFO cover-ups
to determine Dutch veracity? Your logic, makes leaps that I can't follow.
How does the USA potential lying about some theoretical conspiracy make
the Russians honest?
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I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.
I think a very healthy dose of skepticism is warranted for both sides.
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I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.
Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?
There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.
The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie? I thought you would bring up faking
the moon landing(s) as evidence of Russian honesty. It's more recent than
the Kennedy assassination(s). Which assassination JFK or RFK are you
presenting as proof of Russian incorruptibility? Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?
Should I look at British Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's potential UFO cover-ups
to determine Dutch veracity? Your logic, makes leaps that I can't follow.
How does the USA potential lying about some theoretical conspiracy make
the Russians honest?
Gb and france seem to agree with the russians.
And i stated above i believe facts only. Look at them and refute em first. Do not engage in words i never wrote.
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The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie? Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?
One of them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eddowes#John_F._Kennedy_conspiracy_allegations
The Russians themselves stated [correctly it seems] that JFK was a victim of a US government conspiracy.
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Nobody has mentioned it however there are 100,000 Armenian Christians in Syria and they have sided with and are protected by Assad. In fact Armenia still recognizes the Assad govt. and has diplomatic relations with them. Considering the Armenian genocide by the Turks and they're involvement in this civil war it's no surprise.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-04-01/syrian-armenian-refugees-back-president-assad
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Orthodox Christians and others celebrated after Assad's forces forced out terrorists from Aleppo.
http://shoebat.com/2016/12/23/christians-from-aleppo-rejoice-in-the-streets-this-christmas-as-syrian-government-takes-control-back-from-isis/
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Independent Canadian Journalist Eva Bartlett on lies about Syria.
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In comparison, the bombing of the hospital in Afghanistan by the U.S. was just as appalling as what took place in Syria.
Kunduz hospital airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
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'Obviously False': MIT Profesor Questions White House Claims Sarin Was Dropped by a Syrian Plane
http://russia-insider.com/en/obviously-false-mit-profesor-questions-white-house-claims-sarin-was-dropped-syrian-jet/ri19595
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This article is from the American Conservative. I browse this site quite frequently.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/)
I am very surprised that Trump has departed from his foreign policy manifesto. The attempt to "force" Russia to abandon the Assad regime was infantile and strikingly naive. I now seriously question the competence of Trump's foreign policy team.
The actions of the British Foreign Secretary were absurd. Boris Johnson has now fulfilled his potential as a diplomat. He is an embarrassing clown...
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The 'carrots' offered to Russia were imbecilic. As an outsider looking in I can only surmise that the people making the offers, or who designed them, fully understood that they were valueless. But if so then who was persuaded that they were of value, or who was expected to be taken in by them?
Trump is not a fool. He is not naive. There's something in play. My surmise has been that we have been witnessing a soft coup in the USA. For Trump to have changed his tune as he has done suggests to me one of two things, given that he isn't stupid. The options as I see it are that the coup has been successful, that the opposition has found a key to open a door to Trump's mind and/or heart OR that he is engaged in some form of shadow play against his opposition.
I have been giving some thought to this latter option and it has led me to start thinking about how a power might signal intent and desire to an external observer without direct communication and how that external observer might signal back his understanding and agreement. I started thinking of the Prisoner's Dilemma conundrum and how signalling takes place in such a situation.
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Dr. Theodore Postol has now looked at the evidence more closely and rejects the narrative put forward by the US administration completely, stating that the evidence shows that canister that may have contained sarin did not come from the air. He also notes that the site of the alleged chemical weapons attack has been tampered with.
This article also claims that the Russians gave the Americans a heads up 24 hours before they bombed the warehouse and also informed them the warehouse might have chemical agents. Now why would the Russians give the Americans a heads up before their ally committed a war crime.
The US government is so full of shit.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40222-new-revelations-belie-trump-claims-on-syria-chemical-attack
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Notice would be given as part of the deconfliction hot line process. The reason for closing the channel was given, by a spokesman for the Russian military, as being because it seemed to be the case that the anti terrorist actions were being compromised by passing info to the US counterparty.
So, yes, absolutely full of shit.
On a related 'full of shit' topic. How is it that the US can know that 36 ISIS fighters were killed by their moab weapon given that the targets were underground in a concealed network of tunnels?
How dumb do your thought leaders think you poor guys are?
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Yet another reason why the USA should simply let Assad remain. He protects Coptic Christians and Armenians who are Christian. Christians have become the most persecuted religion in the middle east and elsewhere. In the ME we can thank the Bush Jr. regime for actions which led to persecution of Christians in Iraq and them fleeing or being murdered. Obama made it even worse due to his allowing ISIS to form; some say he even helped to create ISIS. He certainly did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide of Christians in the middle east.
www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-as-vicious-attacks-grow.html
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This article is from the American Conservative. I browse this site quite frequently.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/)
I am very surprised that Trump has departed from his foreign policy manifesto. The attempt to "force" Russia to abandon the Assad regime was infantile and strikingly naive. I now seriously question the competence of Trump's foreign policy team.
The actions of the British Foreign Secretary were absurd. Boris Johnson has now fulfilled his potential as a diplomat. He is an embarrassing clown...
I suspect Trump departed his foreign policy manifesto to avoid becoming another JFK. Having the Zionist Kushner whispering in his ear is no blessing either for someone who would like to disengage from the middle east. The warmongers seem to be exerting a lot of pressure on him. I'm still very hopeful that he still wants to have a very good relationship with Russia; he just is going about it in a round-about way. A recent tweet he made indicates a desire to "work things out" with Russia.
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I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.
Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?
There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.
[I screwed the quotes up but Markje is quoted below]
"Gb and france seem to agree with the russians.
And i stated above i believe facts only. Look at them and refute em first. Do not engage in words i never wrote."
[End of Markje's /quote]
You stated
1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
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1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.
And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.
Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.
Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
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You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
While I have doubt that the US Government lies; I hope you do not base your opinions solely on Hollywood.
For what it is worth 'The Rock' is in fact quite a good film.
NB: Edit post Popka.
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1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.
And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.
Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.
Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Your inability to use facts or logic in your arguments remains.
We can all agree that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy?
No we can't. You are wrong, most Americans Believe Oswald
Conspired With Others to Kill JFK1 So your so called
fact that we can all agree upon is wrong.
WMD's were in fact found in Iraq.2
You wondered why I didn't respond about your ambiguous Vietnam
reference, which I didn't reply to because I had no idea to what lie(s)
you were referring to between November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975
Dutch society seems to suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to
the murderous behavior of their soldiers who tried unsuccessfully to
suppress the Indonesian independence movement in the jungles of
Java and other islands3 Couldn't I use that example as
you have to make wild claims about the character of your countrymen?
1. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1813/most-americans-believe-oswald-conspired-others-kill-jfk.aspx
2. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq
3. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/colonial-atrocities-explode-myth-of-dutch-tolerance-1439153.html
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1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.
And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.
Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.
Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
If in fact the gas depot was known about prior to the air raid, Syria would be guilty of negligence at the least.
Knowing that bombs could rupture the containers should have made it clear the possibility of unintended deaths.
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If in fact the gas depot was known about prior to the air raid, Syria would be guilty of negligence at the least.
Knowing that bombs could rupture the containers should have made it clear the possibility of unintended deaths.
Nope, unless the Russians shared that with Syria (and I very much think they did, if they knew about it).
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Tomcat, Sarin is not stored 'ready to use' there's precursor chemicals which don't combine into Sarin just by being blown up.
If Sarin was used it was not there by accident and thus no Syrian negligence.
It seems that the USA might have attacked another ISIS cw storage facility. The result is noxious gases and, likely, in this case, hundreds dead. But no Sarin. Just the precursor chemicals.
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Your inability to use facts or logic in your arguments remains.
We can all agree that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy?
No we can't. You are wrong, most Americans Believe Oswald
Conspired With Others to Kill JFK1 So your so called
fact that we can all agree upon is wrong.
You're obviously no expert in gun shootings, otherwise you wouldn't say such a thing.
There were in fact , at the very least 2 shooters with JFK. 1 of em was oswald, but he was in the wrong position to have fired the lethal shot, otherwise his head wouldn't have exploded at the back (Exit wound). But go ahead and prove my primary point wrong: The American government LIED About the kennedy murder. In fact, there are strong implications that Lyndon had prior knowledge and may even have been involved in it.
WMD's were in fact found in Iraq.2
No there weren't. You're own CIA said so.... or were they caught lying yet again!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/
I mean, that is the whole point of your debate with me right? The US gov't is clean and do not lie.
You wondered why I didn't respond about your ambiguous Vietnam
reference, which I didn't reply to because I had no idea to what lie(s)
you were referring to between November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975
The whole war was a lie. Didn't ya know? But it took until the picture of a naked girl fleeing and crying until the government finally changed its position.
Dutch society seems to suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to
the murderous behavior of their soldiers who tried unsuccessfully to
suppress the Indonesian independence movement in the jungles of
Java and other islands3 Couldn't I use that example as
you have to make wild claims about the character of your countrymen?
What do they have to do with it. If anything, Dutch government sided with America, so that they lie too is not surprising. Liars do have to support each other ya know.
Everybody seems to lie, which is why you have to make up your own opinion based upon the facts, and the facts do not fit the narrative that Assad bombed people with Sarin gas.
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Rational actors don't usually do irrational acts. If the 'explanation' presupposes irrationality then the explanation is probably incorrect.
One might not like or agree with the rationale but that does not mean that the rationale is incorrect.
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There were in fact , at the very least 2 shooters with JFK. 1 of em was oswald, but he was in the wrong position to have fired the lethal shot, otherwise his head wouldn't have exploded at the back (Exit wound). But go ahead and prove my primary point wrong: The American government LIED About the kennedy murder. In fact, there are strong implications that Lyndon had prior knowledge and may even have been involved in it.
WMD's were in fact found in Iraq.2
No there weren't. You're own CIA said so.... or were they caught lying yet again!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/
I mean, that is the whole point of your debate with me right? The US gov't is clean and do not lie.
You wondered why I didn't respond about your ambiguous Vietnam
reference, which I didn't reply to because I had no idea to what lie(s)
you were referring to between November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975
The whole war was a lie. Didn't ya know? But it took until the picture of a naked girl fleeing and crying until the government finally changed its position.
Dutch society seems to suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to
the murderous behavior of their soldiers who tried unsuccessfully to
suppress the Indonesian independence movement in the jungles of
Java and other islands3 Couldn't I use that example as
you have to make wild claims about the character of your countrymen?
What do they have to do with it. If anything, Dutch government sided with America, so that they lie too is not surprising. Liars do have to support each other ya know.
Everybody seems to lie, which is why you have to make up your own opinion based upon the facts, and the facts do not fit the narrative that Assad bombed people with Sarin gas.
MarkJE
I've wasted enough time and you are running in circles.
Have a great Easter! KhristOs vaskrEse!
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1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.
And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.
Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.
Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Your inability to use facts or logic in your arguments remains.
We can all agree that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy?
No we can't. You are wrong, most Americans Believe Oswald
Conspired With Others to Kill JFK1 So your so called
fact that we can all agree upon is wrong.
Most Americans are incredibly gullible and easily swayed by the overwhelming propaganda which occurred on that day, which was really a coup d' etat against American principles.
Let me put it another way -- most Americans are lazy and stupid and would prefer to believe whatever cotton candy "Uncle Sam" feeds them.
I'm with Markje. The exit wounds were all such that the bullets hit him in the front and exited in the rear. You can even see the First Lady crawling back on the rear trunk in her words "to get the large piece of skull blown out the back side of his head". The ER Doctors in Texas which had legal jurisdiction to perform the autopsy all testified initially that the bullet wounds entered from the front and exited to the rear; they were bullied by CIA thugs/murderers to change their testimony.
The fact that Kennedy's body was whisked away to a military base near DC would make any clever person with a grain of common sense and some brains say hmmmmm, when as I just wrote, legally the autopsy was to be done in Texas. I could go on and on but I won't waste my time.
My personal suspicion is what others surmised; the Syrians hit something which was a noxious gas that killed some people but it weren't Sarin. White Hat fools would not have been touching that stuff.
As I wrote above: both countries lie to suit their purposes. Bottom line per International Law Syria is a sovereign country and the USA should mind our own business (fat chance that will ever happen).
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Tomcat, Sarin is not stored 'ready to use' there's precursor chemicals which don't combine into Sarin just by being blown up.
If Sarin was used it was not there by accident and thus no Syrian negligence.
It seems that the USA might have attacked another ISIS cw storage facility. The result is noxious gases and, likely, in this case, hundreds dead. But no Sarin. Just the precursor chemicals.
Andrew, I never used the word SARIN in my post. Anyway if you are going to drop bombs around toxic chemicals you should expect environmental accidents.
It's no difference in eastern Ukraine sooner or later a chemical factory will be hit, again causing unintended deaths.
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Tomcat, I can read, however the media you are happy to quote are happy to invent a narrative involving Sarin.
The USA has faced the same issue as the Syrian army in that they too have destroyed a terrorist chemical weapon facility. It is hard to see how such actions can be seen as negligent given the effects of the use of Sarin.
The underlying issue is not whether the Syrians successfully destroyed the facility or not but the lies that were set into play by the US and allies bases upon their foreknowledge of the attack.
Destroying the facility serves to end the terrorist attack upon the government. The falsehoods from the US and allies serve the opposite purpose.
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Tomcat, I can read, however the media you are happy to quote are happy to invent a narrative involving Sarin.
The USA has faced the same issue as the Syrian army in that they too have destroyed a terrorist chemical weapon facility. It is hard to see how such actions can be seen as negligent given the effects of the use of Sarin.
The underlying issue is not whether the Syrians successfully destroyed the facility or not but the lies that were set into play by the US and allies bases upon their foreknowledge of the attack.
Destroying the facility serves to end the terrorist attack upon the government. The falsehoods from the US and allies serve the opposite purpose.
Andrew ,I was replying to a quote from Markje, not the media.
My personal beliefs on Syria are the United states should keep out of the conflict. Russia is well equipped to handle the situation.
Chemical weapons use was doubtful.
Below is a article that is not getting near the press and has claimed more lives, and was intended to harm civilians.
Middle East
Syria war: 'At least 68 children among 126 killed' in bus bombing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39613313
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In considering propaganda for elements of truth (as opposed to fact) it is a good idea to identify the 'win'. Who 'wins' from the story?
At the same time remember that even evil is usually rational and that rational people or groups do not usually do irrational things.
In this case I am of the opinion that Russia knows the attack to be a true false flag event but has chosen a plausible alternative narrative because the true story is one that the world TV audience is not ready to receive just yet.
There simply is no rational reason for the Syrian air force to attack as they are supposed.
On a more mundane level, al qaida's White Helmets were filmed and photographed handling victims with bare hands and without respirators and yet did not die or suffer other ill effect from contact with the skin and clothing of the purported victims.
IF, the chemical agent was Sarin, gas masks and gloves would have done little within just minutes. Sarin is volatile. And would have 'boiled' off quickly. I have never read about Sarin being stored as 'precursor' agents (chemicals). All chemical weapons can be stored as such.
IF, the gas was VX, gloves and masks would not have been needed within minutes. It is only delivered as a gas. IIRC.
I am of the opinion, Russia did not have a plausible answer this time, or they would have used that answer. The last time, they pushed very hard against Obama. Even to the point of invading Ukraine to stop, or slow, Obama's planned overthrow of Assad.
It is sad that 'democracy building' has cost so many lives, and Obama will not be held accountable. BUT, Assad has not been nice to his own people. Yes, some were funded by Soros and Obama and their friends. Yes, some are traitors. Yes, some are terrorists. BUT, not everything Assad has done has furthered his position in the international community.
I agree that almost the same applies to Obama, but the big money behind him is buying his continued freedom, Assad does not have that in the international community. IMHO.
Wayne
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Tomcat, I can read, however the media you are happy to quote are happy to invent a narrative involving Sarin.
The USA has faced the same issue as the Syrian army in that they too have destroyed a terrorist chemical weapon facility. It is hard to see how such actions can be seen as negligent given the effects of the use of Sarin.
The underlying issue is not whether the Syrians successfully destroyed the facility or not but the lies that were set into play by the US and allies bases upon their foreknowledge of the attack.
Destroying the facility serves to end the terrorist attack upon the government. The falsehoods from the US and allies serve the opposite purpose.
As you mentioned elsewhere, there has been a soft-coup against Trump. I believe he knows that in order to stay alive, at least right now, he's got to allow others to dictate foreign policy, but he will be allowed to do what he needs to do for our economy and border security back home. Bannon is on the way out, and the usual menace to the World -- Soros, is pulling the strings. Soros should be in prison, in Russia.
http://www.patdollard.com/exposed-george-soross-long-and-productive-relationship-with-jared-kushner-includes-new-250-million-investment/
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Below is a article that is not getting near the press and has claimed more lives, and was intended to harm civilians.
Middle East
Syria war: 'At least 68 children among 126 killed' in bus bombing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39613313
That would be because this atrocity was carried out by the West's "Freedom Fighters" or "good" Muslim extremists as Obama called them...
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Tomcat, I can read, however the media you are happy to quote are happy to invent a narrative involving Sarin.
The USA has faced the same issue as the Syrian army in that they too have destroyed a terrorist chemical weapon facility. It is hard to see how such actions can be seen as negligent given the effects of the use of Sarin.
The underlying issue is not whether the Syrians successfully destroyed the facility or not but the lies that were set into play by the US and allies bases upon their foreknowledge of the attack.
Destroying the facility serves to end the terrorist attack upon the government. The falsehoods from the US and allies serve the opposite purpose.
I don't want to assume I know what you are saying, so I will ask. Do you contend that a terrorist
organization or cell has built or captured a chemical weapons facility?
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Below is a article that is not getting near the press and has claimed more lives, and was intended to harm civilians.
Middle East
Syria war: 'At least 68 children among 126 killed' in bus bombing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39613313
That would be because this atrocity was carried out by the West's "Freedom Fighters" or "good" Muslim extremists as Obama called them...
I saw that story. Horrific and not a peep yet have I seen out of "mainstream" media here. Will look for it in a couple hours to see if it is talked about, or if it gets ignored.
edit to add:
https://apnews.com/80e148da1f2842dab5a5eda6f373c3c0/Mass-evacuation-in-Syria-postponed-after-blast-kill-68-kids?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
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Below is a article that is not getting near the press and has claimed more lives, and was intended to harm civilians.
Middle East
Syria war: 'At least 68 children among 126 killed' in bus bombing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39613313
That would be because this atrocity was carried out by the West's "Freedom Fighters" or "good" Muslim extremists as Obama called them...
I saw that story. Horrific and not a peep yet have I seen out of "mainstream" media here. Will look for it in a couple hours to see if it is talked about, or if it gets ignored.
edit to add:
https://apnews.com/80e148da1f2842dab5a5eda6f373c3c0/Mass-evacuation-in-Syria-postponed-after-blast-kill-68-kids?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
So I've been watching ABC's World News Tonight w/ David Muir and not a peep about this story: no surprise, it does not fit the official narrative of the USA. Very sad to me that my govt. continues to get involved in these overseas adventures.
I saw the photos of the charred bodies of the children -- truly horrific. Notice no Western outrage. No word if Ivanka was upset about it. The word is that she's the one who urged her father to approve the missile strike. I also found a video of it and it was more graphic and upsetting than the photo's. But sadly like you wrote above, the terrorist who did it was a "freedom fighter".
As I understand it the press had dropped the "Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump colluded with Russia" narrative because he criticized Putin about the Assad govt. and because he approved the missile strike -- he's doing their bidding, at least they hope so.
Us Trump supporters are upset he's veered away from what he said he was going to do, but it's still far too early to know for sure how everything will play out.
One thing for sure is that Hillary would have already started a war with Russia and Syria so that she and the Saudi's could get their precious pipeline. You know the usual US/CIA playbook: we've got to destroy a country in order to "save it" and install our own preferred regime while doing our best to extract some oil and other natural resources.
The news cycle now is all about a potential conflict with North Korea. Quite frankly IMO a more worthy conflict.
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1. "Who shot Kennedy again?" That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.
You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.
He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)
Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).
Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.
2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.
The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.
So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.
And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.
Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.
Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
WMD's were in fact found in Iraq.2
2. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq
So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
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Can anyone identify what's going on here? Hint: Assange can.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9j_2T7XgAA5sTV.jpg)
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CNN covers the Allepo bus which was bombed here. They don't show the photos of the children and they gave much lower casualty figures. The CNN reporter Walsh refers to it as a "hiccup".
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/middleeast/syria-evacuations-bombing/index.html
Meanwhile Orthodox (or Coptic?) Easter service in liberated Allepo.
https://twitter.com/Mr_S_Clean/status/853494506892742657
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This twitter feed shows the real story of how a terrorist killed those kids. This link not graphic but others may be.
https://twitter.com/Hamosh84/status/853702918242959360
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Russian Defense Ministry: White Helmets Staged 'Sarin Gas Attack' Videos
http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-defense-ministry-white-helmets-staged-sarin-gas-attack-videos/ri19630
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CNN: Children Slain in Aleppo Car Bomb Attack Were 'Assad Supporters'
http://russia-insider.com/en/cnn-children-slain-were-assad-supporters/ri19617
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Syrian Rebels: CIA Paid Us Not to Attend Russia-Sponsored Peace Talks
http://russia-insider.com/en/syrian-rebels-cia-paid-us-not-attend-russia-sponsored-peace-talks/ri19451
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Syrian Rebels: CIA Paid Us Not to Attend Russia-Sponsored Peace Talks
http://russia-insider.com/en/syrian-rebels-cia-paid-us-not-attend-russia-sponsored-peace-talks/ri19451
Is this a surprise? :laugh:
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"Russia meddled in the US election". Russia, Russia, Russia. Uh huh.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/854419203201404930
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/506625913/database-tracks-history-of-u-s-meddling-in-foreign-elections
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3 years and 4 days ago, the oldest Christian town in the World where Aramaic is still spoken, was liberated.
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/852965861531037696
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Now imagine the outrage around the World if somebody said this about Merkel.
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-calls-assad-a-monster-who-needs-decapitating-10842503
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This article is from the American Conservative. I browse this site quite frequently.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/)
I am very surprised that Trump has departed from his foreign policy manifesto. The attempt to "force" Russia to abandon the Assad regime was infantile and strikingly naive. I now seriously question the competence of Trump's foreign policy team.
The actions of the British Foreign Secretary were absurd. Boris Johnson has now fulfilled his potential as a diplomat. He is an embarrassing clown...
His foreign policy team in Israel or in WA DC? It's hard to tell them apart at times. Israeli Intel Chief admits they don't want to defeat ISIS. Not just yet at least. They're proxy fighters after all. :-X
http://russia-insider.com/en/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-syria/ri15165
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https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/chemical-attacks-in-syria-is-assad-responsible/
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Ouch! Pulitzer Prize winning journalist indicts Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton : Pulitzer Prize-Winning journalist says Presidential Candidate Approved Sending Gas to Syrian Rebels
http://rottlin.com/hillary-clinton-pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-says-presidential-candidate-approved-sending-gas-syrian-rebels/
“EVIDENCE LEADS DIRECTLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF MARTIN DEMPSEY, CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN, SAUDI INTELLIGENCE CHIEF PRINCE BANDAR, AND SAUDI ARABIA´S INTERIOR MINISTRY.”
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Good parents will no longer let their sons and daughters join the military for this.
https://twitter.com/findtruthlife/status/851175157347606530
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This is an older link however it exposes the roots of who has been pushing for war in Syria. Pretty convenient when they can get another nation to fight a proxy war for them, and they hope to get approval for their annexation of Syrian land.
http://america-hijacked.com/2013/09/03/cia-analyst-michael-scheuer-exposes-syrian-war-lobbyists/
One lad from South Carolina also added a short homily on how the religion of Moses and Abraham made the United States and Israel one and the same. And another fellow from Utah was bent on getting me to name the names of people at the CIA who know what is blisteringly obvious to all but the 535 members of Congress — that our ties to Israel are a clear and increasingly mortal threat to U.S. security, its economy, and the lives of Americans because it is one of the central motivations of our Islamist enemies. I refused to play ball. Utah’s contemporary version of Tail-gunner Joe McCarthy also added that he “knows” all Muslims hate all Americans, their freedoms, and women’s rights and that is why they are attacking us. He must have been briefed by that preacher from South Carolina, or by Senators Graham and McCain, the Knesset members masquerading as U.S. Senators. (1)
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Maria Zakharova Disrobes the White Helmets
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/maria-zakharova-disrobes-white-helmets/ri19722
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Trump and Putin Agree to Seek SyriaCease-Fire
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/world/europe/trump-putin-syria.html
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Maria Zakharova Disrobes the White Helmets
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/maria-zakharova-disrobes-white-helmets/ri19722
This comment says it all for me:
The extreme irony of this day and age is sometimes truly mind-boggling. The very same media that herald the White Helmets for their `extreme bravery` and denounce Russia for its `state-controlled propaganda`(while masturbating on a fake mirror-image of a `totally free`, `unbiased` and `critical press`) need a Russian Government spokeswoman and alternative media to tell them the truth about the `White Helmet heroes`.
As a result, Western Media will denounce these truths as `Fake News`, and present them as `proof` that Russia tries to mess with our minds by spreading lies - without substantiating any claim, of course.
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Right, so you believe Maria ...? I had read women can influence men to do irrational things ...
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Right, so you believe Maria ...? I had read women can influence men to do irrational things ...
You just read it or are you talking from experience? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Right, so you believe Maria ...? I had read women can influence men to do irrational things ...
You just read it or are you talking from experience? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Experience, of course.... you are older ... you should know better ...
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Right, so you believe Maria ...? I had read women can influence men to do irrational things ...
Yes, I believe her, the compelling hard evidence is what swayed me. Did you read the article? Did you look and examine the evidence provided?
As militants moved into Aleppo, they seized ambulances, firefighting trucks and other gear and equipment, while the majority of civil defence officers were shot.
Militants in this context, is the white helmets everyone praises.. Hardly worthy of praise behaviour don't you think?
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Yes, I believe her, the compelling hard evidence is what swayed me.
From WHO ? ....
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Right, so you believe Maria ...? I had read women can influence men to do irrational things ...
You're dating a secular muslim woman. Is that why you're an apologist for all muslims? :coffeeread:
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The real WMD. The West's Mass Disorientation.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/may/02/the-real-wmd-in-syria-west-s-weapon-of-mass-disorientation/
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So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
Unlike McCain and the Bushies, I did have a son in Iraq. Try to find where
I tried to justify the war in Iraq, it's never happened. Don't try projecting
any of that crap on me.
Bush invaded Iraq because his daddy was said to lack the gonads to finish
Gulf war one. Bush was a mediocre president at best and he totally took
down the GOP with him. He gave us a democrat majority in both houses
plus Obama. He gave us a super majority in the Senate. The GOP didn't
help themselves when they came up with McCain and Romney to run
against Obama.
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So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
Unlike McCain and the Bushies, I did have a son in Iraq. Try to find where
I tried to justify the war in Iraq, it's never happened. Don't try projecting
any of that crap on me.
Bush invaded Iraq because his daddy was said to lack the gonads to finish
Gulf war one. Bush was a mediocre president at best and he totally took
down the GOP with him. He gave us a democrat majority in both houses
plus Obama. He gave us a super majority in the Senate. The GOP didn't
help themselves when they came up with McCain and Romney to run
against Obama.
Good to hear you know the truth about Bush Jr.
I hope your son made it out of there safely and whole.
It had sounded like you agreed w/ the war in regards WMD.
I believe the no fly zone was the best to leave in place but no invasion.
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Could there be some truth in this claim?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-695L3XgAAFaY1.jpg)
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Could there be some truth in this claim?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-695L3XgAAFaY1.jpg)
No. But monsato needs to go anyway.
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I hope your son made it out of there safely and whole.
He did,
He's doing great,
Thanks
It had sounded like you agreed w/ the war in regards WMD.
I believe the no fly zone was the best to leave in place but no invasion.
I was just pointing out that they did find WMD, but not Nukes like
they were trying to sell to the American people/The world.
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Home Sweet Home: White Helmets Shared Aleppo HQ With Al Qaeda
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/home-sweet-home-white-helmets-shared-aleppo-hq-al-qaeda/ri19744
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It is 'interesting' that my asking Markje the source of 'hard evidence' he has read on the Gas used in the hideous attack remains unseen ?
Naturally, it is a leading question - on my part - ask I indeed to question it ... with examples ..Could THAT explain things ?
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Regime change leads to persecution of Christians. This was certainly true during the American invasion and occupation of Iraq led by Bush Jr.
https://www.rt.com/news/388119-regime-change-christians-suffering/
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Yes, I believe her, the compelling hard evidence is what swayed me.
From WHO ? ....
Im on a mobile. Did you read the article?
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This is outrageous. Israeli official now calls for the assassination of Assad.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-minister-assasinate-bashar-al-assad-syria-former-idf-general-southern-command-operation-cast-a7739156.html
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Al-Qaeda Honors White Helmets With Potluck Dinner
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/al-qaeda-honors-white-helmets-potluck-dinner/ri19853
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Did you read the article?
I'm sure you're not STILL on the mobile and my question was aimed at the source of the 'evidence' ...
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Did you read the article?
I'm sure you're not STILL on the mobile and my question was aimed at the source of the 'evidence' ...
im sure you didnt read that article or the source would be clear to you. Its all there.
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So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
Confederate, I am one of the few who were against the war in Iraq - too difficult to force democracy on those who do not understand it. Saddam? He was one evil dude.
Was it worth it? Probably. In 20 years leading Iraq, Saddam had murdered several million of his own - we should not have been backing him then. So, we have saved at least 1.5 million - but, no one will see it that way. They will only focus on those slaughtered by al-Qaeda affiliates.
BUT, the cost?
The cost is less than ONE YEAR OF WELFARE to US. Welfare is bankrupting US. :GRRRR:
Just because the Libs control the narrative is no reason for US to believe their outrageous lies about our need to support Welfare and not support our troops in the military.
Wayne
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Tomcat, I can read, however the media you are happy to quote are happy to invent a narrative involving Sarin.
The USA has faced the same issue as the Syrian army in that they too have destroyed a terrorist chemical weapon facility. It is hard to see how such actions can be seen as negligent given the effects of the use of Sarin.
The underlying issue is not whether the Syrians successfully destroyed the facility or not but the lies that were set into play by the US and allies bases upon their foreknowledge of the attack.
Destroying the facility serves to end the terrorist attack upon the government. The falsehoods from the US and allies serve the opposite purpose.
I don't want to assume I know what you are saying, so I will ask. Do you contend that a terrorist
organization or cell has built or captured a chemical weapons facility?
That terrorists were running crude weapons facilities has been known for a long time.
It has also been known that chemical weapons were moved into Syria by Saddam prior to the US invasion.
AND the Saudis gave chemical weapons and training to the terrorists to fight Assad.
We are not dealing with 'good players.'
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So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
Confederate, I am one of the few who were against the war in Iraq - too difficult to force democracy on those who do not understand it. Saddam? He was one evil dude.
Was it worth it? Probably. In 20 years leading Iraq, Saddam had murdered several million of his own - we should not have been backing him then. So, we have saved at least 1.5 million - but, no one will see it that way. They will only focus on those slaughtered by al-Qaeda affiliates.
BUT, the cost?
The cost is less than ONE YEAR OF WELFARE to US. Welfare is bankrupting US. :GRRRR:
Just because the Libs control the narrative is no reason for US to believe their outrageous lies about our need to support Welfare and not support our troops in the military.
Wayne
Saddam may have been an evil guy but we set him up in case you forgot. He was there as a counter-weight to Iran. Now Iran controls much of Iraq and the killing is far from over. IIRC approximately 500,000 Christians lost their place in Iraq as well. Regardless of how you spin it I don't agree with the narrative you're pushing either.
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So is your theory that we had to invade Iraq and destroy it and cause the deaths of over a half Million Iraqi citizens in order to "save" it?
Because that's what Bush Jr. did in a nutshell, and at what cost to the US Treasury and to US prestige around the World?
And did Bush Jr. really believe that Americans would have the patience to stay there 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years like in the DMZ in S. Korea?
Care to tell the audience here reading how a 1 Trillion dollar cost for the Iraqi war costs every man, woman and child in the USA?
Was it worth it? Or was it just a war for a "gunslinger" with a big ego, to prove to his Daddy that he was a "real man"?
Notice neocons Cheney and Wolfowitz didn't send their children to fight in that war. Nor did Bush Jr, nor did warmonger McCain.
All you guys who try to justify these insane actions make me wanna puke. :'( :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: for the Haliburtons of the World and their shareholders (Cheney, etc).
Confederate, I am one of the few who were against the war in Iraq - too difficult to force democracy on those who do not understand it. Saddam? He was one evil dude.
Was it worth it? Probably. In 20 years leading Iraq, Saddam had murdered several million of his own - we should not have been backing him then. So, we have saved at least 1.5 million - but, no one will see it that way. They will only focus on those slaughtered by al-Qaeda affiliates.
BUT, the cost?
The cost is less than ONE YEAR OF WELFARE to US. Welfare is bankrupting US. :GRRRR:
Just because the Libs control the narrative is no reason for US to believe their outrageous lies about our need to support Welfare and not support our troops in the military.
Wayne
Saddam may have been an evil guy but we set him up in case you forgot. He was there as a counter-weight to Iran. Now Iran controls much of Iraq and the killing is far from over. IIRC approximately 500,000 Christians lost their place in Iraq as well. Regardless of how you spin it I don't agree with the narrative you're pushing either.
Maybe you should read what I wrote, instead of projecting a false narrative upon what I wrote.
I wrote we should not have backed Saddam.
Or, did you disagree with the Liberals and their expensive Welfare?
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I can read just fine, thanks. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. Here is the most important of what you wrote:
quote of the poster known as el_guero
So, we have saved at least 1.5 million - but, no one will see it that way. They will only focus on those slaughtered by al-Qaeda affiliates.
BUT, the cost?
The cost is less than ONE YEAR OF WELFARE to US. Welfare is bankrupting US. :GRRRR:
I responded that the killing will go on, which it will. IOW you are wrong, we did not save anyone, that's your BS claim. We caused the deaths of about half a million people through "collateral damage" and we handed control of Iraq over to the Iranians.
Shia's (Iranians) have killed hundreds of thousands of Sunni (Iraqi and Saudi's). It will go on and on. Nothing the USA does ever makes it better.
The cost of both wars has been about 4 Trillion dollars (your comparison to costs for welfare of US Citizens is bizarre).
It would have been far better to avoid Iraq altogether. Your narrative is delusional. But enjoy! :-*
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I believe it was Popka who said a pipeline is a myth. I'm not sure if this memo refers to the same pipeline or not.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAjk3PuXUAABS5E.jpg:large)
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Confed,
Again, I did NOT agree with the war, but blaming US because Obama lost the war that had been won is a new argument which you should support with new data, not old data.
Further, I have not seen a $4Trillion cost to the wars, that must include a LOT of black ops money. I have seen about $200million per year for Iraq/Afghanistan. If you could give me a link to the $4T, I eould appreciate it.
Current US spending on Welfare is well over $1T/yr. Welfare would be the largest line item in the budget, but Libs have it spread all through the budget. And they steal from everyone to waste more money.
Just because I view the wars as stupid does NOT equal my not supporting our warfighters over fraud and abuse of Welfare.
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Sy Hersh Bombshell: US Knew No Sarin in Syria 'Gas Attack', Trump Bombed Anyway
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/sy-hersh-bombshell-us-knew-no-sarin-syria-gas-attack-trump-bombed-anyway/ri20206
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Sy Hersh Bombshell: US Knew No Sarin in Syria 'Gas Attack', Trump Bombed Anyway
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/sy-hersh-bombshell-us-knew-no-sarin-syria-gas-attack-trump-bombed-anyway/ri20206
Question of the day:
Is this piece, which was published in Germany, not the US, the reason for Trump's doubling down on is gas attack accusations? It is beyond credible that he was not made aware of the piece before he made his outburst yesterday.
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RIi-iight, so we are going to 'believe' the guy who sells books telling us Osama bin Laden wan't killed by US Seals in 2011?
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Zakharova: Propaganda campaign on ‘Damascus using chemical weapons’ is launched
https://www.rt.com/news/394986-propaganda-campaign-damascus-chemical/
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RIi-iight, so we are going to 'believe' the guy who sells books telling us Osama bin Laden wan't killed by US Seals in 2011?
I have never believed Osama was killed by US Seals in 2011 ...
First, operators at that level keep a strong code of silence - and that is enforced by strong laws.
Second, Seal Team Six was not a unit assigned high priority ground targets.
Third, the story afterwards (no photos, etc) was not plausible. Obama is not the source of performing Muslim burials - CHAPLAINS are ...
And fourth, and fifth...
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Double post.
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Likewise, I don't know what the real story is but the story we were told is far from the truth.
That's an issue for inquiring minds. It isn't too hard to understand when one is being lied to but it is almost impossible to know what the truth is.
That's how it is for 9/11. In my opinion, one would have to be gullible, or choose to be so, to accept the narrative that has become the accepted truth. But what is the reality? That's much harder to divine because it requires access to data that is simply not available.
This happens in normal life as well. For example, a particular poster on this forum has only a passing acquaintance with the truth and uses it only when it suits his purpose to do so. One can easily enough understand when he is lying but picking the truth from the myriad of possibilities is a task that is hard and not worth bothering with.
In the end there is only one true version of events but an infinite number of untrue possibilities multiplied by an infinite number of 'perspectives' which might be based in fact but are not completely supported by fact.
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Likewise, I don't know what the real story is but the story we were told is far from the truth.
That's an issue for inquiring minds. It isn't too hard to understand when one is being lied to but it is almost impossible to know what the truth is.
That's how it is for 9/11. In my opinion, one would have to be gullible, or choose to be so, to accept the narrative that has become the accepted truth. But what is the reality? That's much harder to divine because it requires access to data that is simply not available.
This happens in normal life as well. For example, a particular poster on this forum has only a passing acquaintance with the truth and uses it only when it suits his purpose to do so. One can easily enough understand when he is lying but picking the truth from the myriad of possibilities is a task that is hard and not worth bothering with.
In the end there is only one true version of events but an infinite number of untrue possibilities multiplied by an infinite number of 'perspectives' which might be based in fact but are not completely supported by fact.
A couple nights ago I listened to a very real person, male. He maintained amongst other things that the earth was not round and there were no space flights to the moon. What amazed me was he could tell his beliefs in a convincing manner so that those who were listening I sensed began to believe his viewpoint.
For a while listening to him was entertaining, I moved the conversation to the arts and suddenly the facade infront of everyone dispersed. Rembrandt v. R and P. Picasso were the same person and J. Pollack and C. Still were part of the same neo-something movement.
A year or two ago there was some poster on RUA who tried to prove that the 9/11 the Twin Towers was some government plot, it seemed every point he made had a perfectly logical counter point. What I do believe the government managed the 'fall out' perfectly to gain greater control nation and world wide.
What is scary is armed with a few facts some can sell sand to the Arabs and snow to the Inuits.
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What is scary is armed with a few facts some can sell sand to the Arabs and snow to the Inuits.
Scarier: The biggest import product to the sahara desert is : SAND
funny note: Sand of the sahara is not fit to build on, but the imported sand is.
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I have never believed Osama was killed by US Seals in 2011 ...
Well, you just joined the ranks of the flat earth brigade - as far as I'm concerned
First, operators at that level keep a strong code of silence - and that is enforced by strong laws.
Second, Seal Team Six was not a unit assigned high priority ground targets.
Third, the story afterwards (no photos, etc) was not plausible. Obama is not the source of performing Muslim burials - CHAPLAINS are ...
And fourth, and fifth...
Wayne, even the Pakistanis know the US team took him out ... He WAS there and had been in Pakistan - moving about for years..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbottabad_Commission_Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbottabad_Commission_Report)
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Likewise, I don't know what the real story is but the story we were told is far from the truth.
That's an issue for inquiring minds. It isn't too hard to understand when one is being lied to but it is almost impossible to know what the truth is.
That's how it is for 9/11. In my opinion, one would have to be gullible, or choose to be so, to accept the narrative that has become the accepted truth. But what is the reality? That's much harder to divine because it requires access to data that is simply not available.
This happens in normal life as well. For example, a particular poster on this forum has only a passing acquaintance with the truth and uses it only when it suits his purpose to do so. One can easily enough understand when he is lying but picking the truth from the myriad of possibilities is a task that is hard and not worth bothering with.
In the end there is only one true version of events but an infinite number of untrue possibilities multiplied by an infinite number of 'perspectives' which might be based in fact but are not completely supported by fact.
I think more than one poster fits your narrative.
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The way I answer this:
A year or two ago there was some poster on RUA who tried to prove that the 9/11 the Twin Towers was some government plot, it seemed every point he made had a perfectly logical counter point. What I do believe the government managed the 'fall out' perfectly to gain greater control nation and world wide.
I point out the obvious:
Even when forced to move quickly, the US government cannot. Katrina was a disaster, because even with FEMA and plans in place, our Government does not react quickly. Gulf War 1? Look at the dates for the 'airborne' medal awarded to 'first troops in place. They were there a month before Saddam invaded.
The US has been great at responding with future intel. It gives US a year or two to make plans. But, give a real imminent threat tomorrow? The US struggles like most other non-dictatorship governments.
SO, IF 9-11 was a government plan, it started UNDER CLINTON. I have not met a theorist who can handle reality.
Wayne
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We still don't know who(m) delivered the chemical attack, or if it was precursors combined during the explosion.
And we will never have access to the real data - most people who think they have access, do not have access.
PS. It might even have been a pesticide ...
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Not sure if Andrew or Manny has seen this information.
Today, the Syrian Army captured the following German made poison gas shells, shipped into Syria though Ukraine and Turkey and delivered to Jeish al Islam by a US CH53 helicopter, according to statements “allegedly” gotten from POW interrogations.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/08/proof-intel-drop-trump-bolton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/
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Not sure if Andrew or Manny has seen this information.
Today, the Syrian Army captured the following German made poison gas shells, shipped into Syria though Ukraine and Turkey and delivered to Jeish al Islam by a US CH53 helicopter, according to statements “allegedly” gotten from POW interrogations.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/08/proof-intel-drop-trump-bolton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/
And is there a connection to the Skripol incident?
“The Syrian Arab Army and with the help of Russian captured a shipment of chemical weapons destined for the Eastern Ghouta. These were British weapons produced at Porton Down in Salisbury.
Russian suspects that the Skripal incident is related as by their records, Skiripal was working at Porton Down as a chemical weapons trafficker in partnership with a Ukrainian firm. Russia denies attacking Skripal but admits he was under surveillance for his activities involving support of terrorism in Syria and arms trafficking.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/459729-opcw-douma-memo-msm-silence/amp/?client=safari