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Title: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2016, 06:39:19 AM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Looks like the EU has stuck its finger up to Holland as end of July Ukraine has visa free travel to Europe, you can be sure millions will go missing or get lost in the EU the following day along with millions of Turks.

I remember living in Portsmouth several streets were full of kabab shops everyone knowing they employed illegals who lived up stairs. Often they would get raided by the police. Looks like half of Ukraine will now get "lost" during their visit to the EU  :laugh:

Its funny how the EU a shinning example of democracy and standards can even contemplate dealing with Ukraine or Turkey..

But then I guess it all comes down to  :money:

It means 2 things for the Ukrainian dating industry,

1. Cheapo guys with not so much cash will be able to offer OLDER Ukrainian women a ticket to come visit him in Europe saving on costs.. (Of course the women will not say no)

2. Young guys searching for a young Ukrainian women , those days are finished for sure. Most young women only wish to travel, now thats possible who needs some old fart to travel with.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Manny on April 17, 2016, 08:04:39 AM
end of July Ukraine has visa free travel to Europe,

Has this been agreed now?
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Tom Cat on April 17, 2016, 08:14:16 AM
E.U. may include a special provision in visa-free regime agreement with Ukraine - reports

http://uatoday.tv/politics/e-u-may-include-a-special-provision-in-visa-free-regime-agreement-with-ukraine-reports-632556.html
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: leslied on April 17, 2016, 12:19:30 PM
It is not just Ukraine.  By June Turkish Citizens will be allowed Visa free travel to Schengen countries -

http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/turkey-visa-free-travel-schengen/ (http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/turkey-visa-free-travel-schengen/)

This will happen because if it does not then expect 250K migrants exporting themselves to the EU in July...
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2016, 02:10:56 PM
end of July Ukraine has visa free travel to Europe,

Has this been agreed now?

According to Russian news it will be in July, but I also read it will be early next year. Im sure it will be rail loaded through asap!

Beats me what a f**** world we live in..double standards is the norm :laugh:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2016, 02:25:39 PM
There is another big crisis just waiting to happen! You have all the Oil rich countries, Saudi , Jordan, UA, Kuwait to name a few!

What do they produce? Oil.. Camel markets and camel shit!  So sometime in the not to distant future there will be no demand for oil , sometime in the future oil will just be old fashioned just like a Russian marriage agency. No body will need it.

So when the oil dries up , who wants to buy camels and camel shit?? Nobody!! Do these countries have any other industries? Of course not.

So where will millions of folk be heading?

Yes you got it.. The EU  :chuckle: Probably camel shit included..
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 17, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...

Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Manny on April 18, 2016, 01:13:11 AM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 18, 2016, 01:16:26 AM

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.

Your 'millions' are a vital digit short of fact

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319)
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Markje on April 18, 2016, 02:30:07 AM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.

Not only that, but it seems Ukrainians asked for Asylum in Netherlands, got denied and were sent home with $2500 travel costs. Seems that was more than what they were paid, so their numbers swelled until the Netherlands scrapped this arrangement for Ukraine.

Mark.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 18, 2016, 02:33:59 AM

Not only that, but it seems Ukrainians asked for Asylum in Netherlands, got denied and were sent home with $2500 travel costs. Seems that was more than what they were paid, so their numbers swelled until the Netherlands scrapped this arrangement for Ukraine.

Mark.

It would be interesting to know from where and whom they were seeking asylum in Ukraine and the percentage granted
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 03:31:09 AM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...
No they didn't.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Markje on April 18, 2016, 03:37:55 AM

Not only that, but it seems Ukrainians asked for Asylum in Netherlands, got denied and were sent home with $2500 travel costs. Seems that was more than what they were paid, so their numbers swelled until the Netherlands scrapped this arrangement for Ukraine.

Mark.

It would be interesting to know from where and whom they were seeking asylum in Ukraine and the percentage granted

Themselves, and denied 100% as Netherlands said Ukraine is a safe country to live in.

The problem is :
Evgeny earns $2000/year. The sending-home money is Eur-2500....

So, if he is frugal with travel-costs, he can earn a whole year-salary in 2-3 weeks work.
(until NL wised up and reduced the travel-cost bonus for Ukr. people.)

Mark.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 04:12:06 AM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.

Not only that, but it seems Ukrainians asked for Asylum in Netherlands, got denied and were sent home with $2500 travel costs. Seems that was more than what they were paid, so their numbers swelled until the Netherlands scrapped this arrangement for Ukraine.

Mark.

Now that's a useful job for the average Ukrainian!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 18, 2016, 04:51:51 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(

10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"

I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 18, 2016, 05:12:04 AM

No they didn't.

You didn't get the memo  :ROFL:  ?

From a site you might like to familiarise yourself with .

It covers the time I refer to

''Nationals of Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia may face temporary restrictions on working in another country, but for no more than 7 years after their countries joined the EU (Bulgaria and Romania joined on 1 January 2007, all the others on 1 May 2004).''

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html (http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html)
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 05:22:28 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
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10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
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I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 18, 2016, 08:18:17 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
Quote
10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
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I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.

Thats the exact boat I want! I could live there "a Lord to myself and answerable to none" perfect!

Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
Quote
10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
Quote
I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.


Thats the exact boat I want! I could live there "a Lord to myself and answerable to none" perfect!
Better hope your new look website can deliver the keys.......
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 18, 2016, 09:08:15 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
Quote
10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
Quote
I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.


Thats the exact boat I want! I could live there "a Lord to myself and answerable to none" perfect!
Better hope your new look website can deliver the keys.......

3/5 years watch this space...Im a doer not a talker.. :8)
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 09:14:34 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
Quote
10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
Quote
I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.


Thats the exact boat I want! I could live there "a Lord to myself and answerable to none" perfect!
Better hope your new look website can deliver the keys.......

3/5 years watch this space...Im a doer not a talker.. :8)
I expect a nice cruise, no less.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Steveboy on April 18, 2016, 09:22:10 AM
Im glad Im out of the EU.. The UK has changed considerably over the last 10 years even. Were visiting London next month and I'm already not looking forward to it. London is not the place it used to be :(
True, its a craphole.
Quote
10/20 years its just going to be a flea pit, only the wealthy will live there who can afford a gated or secure accommodation. Anyone else with just have to live in the hell hole, it will be like the city in the classic movie "Blade Runner"
It already is.
Quote
I think the best option today is to live in International waters on a small island or a nice big boat away from all the shit that goes on in this planet :travel:
If you have £20 million spare, something like this.


Thats the exact boat I want! I could live there "a Lord to myself and answerable to none" perfect!
Better hope your new look website can deliver the keys.......

3/5 years watch this space...Im a doer not a talker.. :8)
I expect a nice cruise, no less.  :laugh:

Of course !! Unfortunately there will be no lefties any where to be seen , If I don't like the look of you you don't sail .. No human rights sorry  :laugh:

And just incase we cross some rubber dinghies some where out there I will not be towing them back any where. The harpoon gun will be used   tiphat

If Moby just happens to be in the dinghy, tough luck mate, your going to the ocean bed  :laugh:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Manny on April 18, 2016, 11:15:30 AM

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.

Your 'millions' are a vital digit short of fact

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319)

Well first, you quote the governments lefty propaganda channel.  (:)

Even if it were true, that only refers to "workers" who are registered. Most work black and/or claim benefits.

As we know from experience with the Polish, you can generally double or even quadruple any number given out by the government. The truth is they don't know how many are here. And don't pretend you don't know that.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 18, 2016, 11:25:39 AM

Well first, you quote the governments lefty propaganda channel. 

now who really is swerving  ? do you doubt the figures ?

Even if it were true, that only refers to "workers" who are registered. Most work black and/or claim benefits.

big swerve ...

SO, 'they ' either fly under the radar or claim benefits... ?

You haven't got the first clue ... geting govt' 'handouts' isn't as easy as DM readers think ..

Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Gipsy on April 18, 2016, 11:47:39 AM

No they didn't.

You didn't get the memo  :ROFL:  ?

From a site you might like to familiarise yourself with .

It covers the time I refer to

''Nationals of Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia may face temporary restrictions on working in another country, but for no more than 7 years after their countries joined the EU (Bulgaria and Romania joined on 1 January 2007, all the others on 1 May 2004).''

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html (http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html)

They did not, nothing other than a register was implemented, where they were required to register for their first 12 months stay, this was from 2004, when Bulgaria and Romania joined in 2007, the register had long been abandoned.

HTH
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Manny on April 18, 2016, 11:54:39 AM
geting govt' 'handouts' isn't as easy as DM readers think ..

No, its even easier. Why we pay over a million quid a week in Child benefit to Polish kids who live in Poland: http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/288

Really, learn something. Your fuzzy-thinking leftism is blinding you to reality. Either that or you are simply being dishonest for the sake of trolling.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Gipsy on April 18, 2016, 12:05:55 PM

It didn't stop millions of them coming, Mr Corbyn.

Your 'millions' are a vital digit short of fact

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31519319)

Well first, you quote the governments lefty propaganda channel.  (:)

Even if it were true, that only refers to "workers" who are registered. Most work black and/or claim benefits.

As we know from experience with the Polish, you can generally double or even quadruple any number given out by the government. The truth is they don't know how many are here. And don't pretend you don't know that.

The government really did not know, this is correct, only EU workers new to the country, and working for a company were required to register, those working for agencies were not required to register.

Many companies used this and took workers only from agencies, as it was the cheapest option..

EU workers who could prove that they were doing legal work were entitled to the same Social benefits as UK workers.

HTH
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 12:09:34 PM

No they didn't.

You didn't get the memo  :ROFL:  ?

From a site you might like to familiarise yourself with .

It covers the time I refer to

''Nationals of Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia may face temporary restrictions on working in another country, but for no more than 7 years after their countries joined the EU (Bulgaria and Romania joined on 1 January 2007, all the others on 1 May 2004).''

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html (http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/free-movement-of-eu-nationals-explained.html)
You really should do your homework. Find out what a work permit is, which  c u n tries nationals require them and about accession country workrsrights.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 18, 2016, 12:40:50 PM

You really should do your homework. Find out what a work permit is, which  c u n tries nationals require them and about accession country workrsrights.

DS / Gypo

There was a time from 2007-2010 when I knew more about accession rights than Cypriot , Irish and British Immigration control employees.... I have the letters from all three to prove it...

Rather than posting nonsense - tell us I'm wrong about the restrictions on the right to seek work placed on Romanians and Bulgarians for 7 years...

DS you really should know better - but you think RIBS can't be speed boats  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Gipsy on April 18, 2016, 01:47:18 PM

You really should do your homework. Find out what a work permit is, which  c u n tries nationals require them and about accession country workrsrights.

DS / Gypo

There was a time from 2007-2010 when I knew more about accession rights than Cypriot , Irish and British Immigration control employees.... I have the letters from all three to prove it...

Rather than posting nonsense - tell us I'm wrong about the restrictions on the right to seek work placed on Romanians and Bulgarians for 7 years...

DS you really should know better - but you think RIBS can't be speed boats  :chuckle:

One would presume that your knowledge of accession rights related mainly to the bring into the UK a foreign spouse under the EU ruling which you used, which I would suggest is a little bit different to the rights of EU subjects to enter and work in the UK..

I cannot comment upon what restrictions Bulgaria and Romanians faced, I can only comment upon my own experiences with workers from the EU.
From 2004 onwards, EU subjects (Less the 2 aforementioned countries subjects),  were in plentiful supply and as stated, apart from the, at the time, National EU workers register, (which few actually used/took notice of), there were NO restrictions placed on to them regarding work.

From 2007, Bulgarians and Romanians joined into the fray...But, by then, the register had been discontinued.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
When Romania joined the Eu and the people of Romania were allowed to visit/work or what ever in the EU they had their bags packed and were sat at the border 11.59 ready to leave the following day :)

Steveboy, that was the 'fear' ... the reality was somewhat different .. The Romanians and Bulgarians had special restrictions put on them by several EU states - incl. the UK - they needed work permits and couldn't just tip up and claim benefits.. I well remember the news channels waiting and being disappointed...
No they didn't.
Moby, if you look at my original response above you will see that it was in relation to your stating that the A2 workers needed work permits.
Were there restrictions in place on them working in the UK? Yes, of course they were.
Did they need work permits, as you have said? No, they didn't.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 18, 2016, 04:29:22 PM

You really should do your homework. Find out what a work permit is, which  c u n tries nationals require them and about accession country workrsrights.

DS / Gypo

There was a time from 2007-2010 when I knew more about accession rights than Cypriot , Irish and British Immigration control employees.... I have the letters from all three to prove it...
Yes, of course you did. I'll believe you if it makes you feel better.......
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Rather than posting nonsense - tell us I'm wrong about the restrictions on the right to seek work placed on Romanians and Bulgarians for 7 years...
^^ See my previous post.
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DS you really should know better - but you think RIBS can't be speed boats  :chuckle:
I think one can distinguish between the two. Stop making an ass out of yourself.
Title: Re: Bags packed waiting on the border!
Post by: msmoby on April 19, 2016, 01:09:48 AM
DS

Romania / Bulgarians - instead of telling us I'm an 'ass'... kindly tell us - was there restrictions places on these nationals - by the UK - re working until 2014 - YES or NO...?

https://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/personnel/permits/employbrn/ (https://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/personnel/permits/employbrn/)

Now, to correct the BS  - here's another article demonstrating the 'dreaded influx' predicted n early 2014 didn't happen

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/romanian-and-bulgarian-stats-show-immigration-scaremongering (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/romanian-and-bulgarian-stats-show-immigration-scaremongering)

''Romanian and Bulgarian stats show up immigration scaremongering
The lifting of restrictions has had no significant impact on the number working in the UK.''





Re 'speedboats'

I certainly know the difference between a Rib and a conventional speedboat  - but most folks don't make that distinction - IF you'd checked - you'd find the 'speedboats' used in the DM article were .... Ribs  :chuckle: