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Title: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 09, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 09, 2018, 08:14:46 PM
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

IMO it's not an age thing as much as it's a time, money and effort thing (you should have plenty of each). If you have the desire and gumption you should go for it. And here's a hint: don't tell anyone what you're doing... they'll all try to dissuade you and call you an idiot. 
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Gipsy on March 10, 2018, 12:26:02 AM
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: rosco on March 10, 2018, 04:54:27 AM
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..

Hopefully it was just poor wording on his behalf but if he thinks international dating is an easy default, he’ll get chewed up and spat out.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Markje on March 10, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
Also,

Please bear in mind that the cost of succesful dating in the FSU will have an extra $10.000 - $20.000 minimum price tag attached.

This covers visa fee's, translators, embassy's , plane-tickets and other things a local date won't have to bother with.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: rosco on March 10, 2018, 06:03:28 AM
Also,

Please bear in mind that the cost of succesful dating in the FSU will have an extra $10.000 - $20.000 minimum price tag attached.

This covers visa fee's, translators, embassy's , plane-tickets and other things a local date won't have to bother with.

And that's before you buy cars, houses and holidays with your new wife!!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: AvHdB on March 10, 2018, 06:51:55 AM
Welcome to RUA!

For what it is worth there is in Canada the largest Ukraine diaspora, some in the Toronto region and the majority Westward. It might be worthwhile meeting some from this community before contemplating the former Soviet Union.

In the meantime ask questions and read threads.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 10, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
Thanks to everyone who replied with useful info (I'm going to ignore the trolls who only posted to attack me). I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k. The cost to sponsor a spouse to Canada is about $1000. I'm sure plane tickets and food/lodging in Ukraine/Russia are nowhere near 10-20k. And even if they are, I have a decent amoutn of savings so I'm not concerned with that.

I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 10:01:41 AM
Thanks to everyone who replied with useful info (I'm going to ignore the trolls who only posted to attack me). I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k. The cost to sponsor a spouse to Canada is about $1000. I'm sure plane tickets and food/lodging in Ukraine/Russia are nowhere near 10-20k. And even if they are, I have a decent amoutn of savings so I'm not concerned with that.

I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

One trip will easily cost $3,500 all together including real costs of dating a woman, provided you find a woman to shack up with for a couple of weeks.

I cannot imagine accomplishing everything for less than 10 to 20K and you’re seriously naive to think so. I also didn’t notice any guys trolling you so best grow a thicker skin.

Were I looking:

I’ve always liked foreign women. I also like women who dress nice, do their hair and nails and are slender or at least HWP. I like women who like men and don’t have huge hang ups about sex.

Obesity, tattoos, ignorance about world geography and the world at large are turnoffs.

That eliminates about 90% of the Western women who are single.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 10, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

I think you'll come to find most reasoning subjective, like for me personally, because the most attractive women I've ever seen have come from Ukraine. I want an attractive mate and I would be remiss if I did not at least investigate the possibility of a FSU partner. 
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 10, 2018, 10:51:08 AM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 11:17:24 AM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I agree with your impressions about WW 100% (western women). Boorish mercurial entitled mindless Kardashian loving zombies.

Make it known upfront that you’re all about finding a woman who wants children and to start a family. Those are eternal values with deep merit.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: miquel westano on March 10, 2018, 12:20:40 PM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: sparky114 on March 10, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
Ok reality check time here

As many know here I spend a lot of time travelling UK to Russia and actually partly living there with my wife
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1. They all have mobile phones and sit on insta, classmates etc social networking
2. Most of the younger ladies will love to go dancing and socialising
3. lots are between relationships. . and grandma is looking after daughter or son
4. everything is available to them there as it is in the west ...If they can afford or get someone to buy for them
6. If your looking for a lady with good family values then you will have to take the chance as you do in Canada..It is not a prerequisite built in option
bear in mind that many years has now passed sine the FSU collapsed so any thing under 29 years does not have a real clue because it did not exist in their lives

other than that it's a chase that if done properly and diligently will or can provide you a great partner.. but believe me make sure your also up to the task

hope that helps put a bit of perspective on it
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Mr strange on March 10, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
I don't limit myself when it comes to what I want and that includes where the goals are in the world!

If the guitar amp is in the US. If the drum kit is in the UK or just in the nearby city. I don't mind the journey or the cost. When it comes to Miss right for marriage and family the same applies and my location since 1986 has not really helped the situation in locating her only being close once but other interest was more important at the time.

Still I would like the female qualities to be there and I have found what I need not having to somehow look for it in my country but the age group is less interesting above 35 and less femine/attractive than I would like. 
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: MBS01 on March 10, 2018, 07:56:18 PM
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 08:42:03 PM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 08:43:18 PM
Ricky you will likely need a few trips to meet and marry a FSU lady.  Current (2017) ticket to Ukraine via Vienna will cost about $1,200.00 Cdn.  This is the price for a few months from now.  If you seek a short ticketing period remember Summer is coming and rates tend to increase up to an extra 50%.  Then there is the cost of your local flat rental plus food and other expenses.  Now add in the number of trips it will take to find and marry.  Then the follow up trips for a year or more until you can bring your wife home.  This is where the costs add up. 

Now do enjoy your adventure.

Well said!   tiphat
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: AvHdB on March 11, 2018, 01:07:48 AM
I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here long ago and are from an older generation. I do have some slavic ancestry (slovenian) and I'm close with that side of my family so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the cultural differences.

I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

That you can not find the fSU diaspora indicates to me that you are lazy. You found RUA and we have a smaller presence on the Internet than some of the Ukraine/Canadian groups. And for the good order some are families/individuals that are recent arrivals. 

Perhaps if you searched in Mamba or LovePlanet both are Russian/Ukraine facing dating sites and searched within Canada you would be surprised at the numbers of women available.

What would concern me is the stereotypes that you assume. Why not start a new thread in the Married and Wise" section or what ever it is called with a question or questions that I underlined in your posting. It is a worthwhile topic.

My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.

Rest assured posting on FaceBook or Instagram is alive and well in the fSU, going to clubs and smoking pot all are common daily realities in Ukraine. Though they tend to be more frequent amongst those approximately 28 years and younger. As for getting a degree I have little problem with some one bettering them selves. If they wish to pursue some narrow and obscure subject that is there choice.

As for tattoos they are also seen in the fSU. Not my thing but each to there own. I suspect the actual percentage of women with tattoo's is quite small in Canada and even smaller in Ukraine.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: miquel westano on March 11, 2018, 10:16:59 AM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game. 
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 11, 2018, 11:05:03 AM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

I rarely pop into the questions on the bride search, since i am married 37 years to my first wife, an AW.  But i wonder if women from the FSUW are really that different from other women?  People are people, and i bet there are lots of Instagram/twitter addicts there.  Lots of women over there who would rather club than camp.  Lots of women who have no interest in kids.  And yes even lots of women fighting the weight issue.

I just cant see how all women from here in America are one way and all women from another part of the world are another way? 

I have looked on the FSUW dating sites, and see tons of tattoos, lots of girls who sure look like club girls rather than hikers and lots of girls who have never been married but have kids.  Seems exactly like America to me.  Girls that are human, not robots. 

It seems a lot of guys are looking for a time machine and a wife from the 1940's or 1950's.  I just think the world is changing and it may change faster in one country than other, but it is still going to change. 

Again this is just a comment from a guy who has never been there and really more of a question than statement.

You haven’t dated in 37+ years so believe me you have no clue how radically different the attitudes are between the average American Woman and FSU women.

Sure Western values have been creeping over there but overall IMO he has a better chance at success in Russia and Ukraine than in the USA.

I totally agree and this is why I don't weigh in often on dating threads.  But, I was just making the point, that I think all women everywhere come with different goals and dreams from woman to woman, and that a guy can not expect all women to act the same regardless of geographical upbringing.

I just think with the advent of modern tech, most women from any country will have more modern values and goals.  I probably worded it badly.  Hopefully I wont ever have to try to get back in the dating game.

 :thumbsup:

Title: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 11, 2018, 02:06:07 PM
I am aware there are costs associated with the FSU that wouldn't exist
if marrying locally, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near 10-20k.

If you get an FSU wife after only spending $20K consider yourself lucky.
There are a lot of costs that you don't think about until they start coming.
The government fees are the cheapest part of the bargain. This adventure
requires money, time, and lots of emotional energy and effort.

I easily spent 5 times that amount, but I made a lot of mistakes and
I figured that none of the rules applied to me. I spent boatloads of
money at a pay by the letter and pay to chat site and I spent 9 years
and many trips to various parts of the FSU.

You can do better than I did (spending wise), you can research
everything here and if you can learn from the mistakes of others
then you can save a lot of time, money effort and grief.

Things do pop up, everything from dental bills to lamaze classes
(you said you wanted a large family).  Where will you get married?
In the FSU or Canada? Driving lessons, English lessons, a few little
fender benders, trips back to the FSU every three months or so
while you are romancing her. Then trips back to see Mamma after
you get married.


I don't know where to meet FSU diaspora, and even if I did I'm not
sure it'd be much help. They are likely westernized and not an accurate
reflection of what a girl from the FSU is like, especially if they arrived here
long ago and are from an older generation.

I would recommend that you start doing some research.

I wrote a how to get started thread here. It's a little outdated but it will
help you start down the right path.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4390.0.html

You can buy the Russian Bride Guide here. The agency section is outdated
but there is a lot of very good information in there.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0955687403/?tag=r0be2e-20

I also recommend reading all the trip reports you can stand

Here are some of trips that I made (I didn't write about all of them)

This is my first trip to the FSU
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,16057.0.html

To St Petersburg
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,467.0.html

Dnepropetrovsk
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,5560.0.html

Tblisi
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,14013.0.html

Girl travels to the USA to meet me
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18168.0.html

Sweet Success eventually
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,18537.0.html

Here is a total train wreck story. Myself and several others tried
an intervention, sorta like a friend who joined the moonies and
you wanted to help get him out.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.0.html


I was hoping to hear more anecdotes from people abotu what prompted
them to look to the FSU. At what point did you say to yourself "hmmm
I'm not having any luck with the local girls here in Canada/USA/UK/France/whatever, I'll consider Ukraine/Russia"? Did anything happen in your life to trigger considering the FSU and how old were you and what kind of relationship experience did you have with local girls in your country? Basically I don't know whether to keep trying in canada or to give up and consider other avenues.

I always did fairly good with girls, including the USA and Canada. I was
unhappily married for a very long time and this time I wanted a girl who
had it all. I wasn't going to settle for a so-so girl. I wasn't going to
compromise on character, or attitude. I wanted a girl who would love me
and would wake up each morning happy to be in my bed. I wanted an
educated girl, I wanted a smart girl, I wanted a thin girl, I wanted a hot
girl. We had to have common values or I would dump her and move on.

Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.

One day, I got a spam type email telling me about all the wonders of
Russian women. I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.

I figured if those yahoo's could do it, then certainly I could, so I joined a
few sites and started writing letters, I made a trip and was hooked.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 11, 2018, 02:40:44 PM
Hey Ricky, IMO 2TallBill is the Gold standard for quality information on this endeavor. It may take awhile to read all the links he provided you but will be worth the effort. Good luck!
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Tripleg on March 11, 2018, 09:09:48 PM
@RickyT, you are on the wrong site if you think 35 is old and requires going all the way to FSU to find a quality woman. Sure, I dislike western women just as much as you do and have little luck with them but I still have not given up my search locally and i'm 39.
Also, remember that the FSU has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years and many of the negatives and immaturities that exist with western women are slowly creeping into the FSU culture as well. As another poster mentioned on here before see if you can join some other groups such as meetup.com (Russian language group for example), especially if you live close to a larger Canadian city and i'm sure you will find some RU/UA women in those expat groups.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Donhollio on March 11, 2018, 10:01:35 PM
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", being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there."

  It's rare that this pays off with a loving spouse. It's also costs far more than you think. And if the girl you have wants to live like the geese and fly home every year,  it just compounds the new lifestyle.
 My first trip in 03 cost me 3k CAD.  Why did I go?  Well I was in my early 30's having a rough go at local dating. I found the date sites to be waste of time, as the ones I came across were not what I wanted,  or they didn't  want me. I was also looking for some adventure, and the FSU delivered it in pure gold!
 Give my trip report a read, if you decide to.give this a try, it may help to see what can happen.  Now I'll be honest in saying i loved the chase, at times the kill didn't matter. For the most part I enjoyed my months in the FSU, but it wasn't without heartache and frustration.
 
My advice to you is look for a rural gal. Forget the canadiàn cities where frivolous excess is everywhere.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
I went looking around the internet and found a forum
that has been dead for years and I started reading about these different
guys who went to the FSU and found great women or crashed and burned.


What forum was that, RW-G?
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: rosco on March 12, 2018, 04:06:01 AM
My motivation for looking to the FSU has very little to do with looks. There is no shortage of attractive, fit women in Canada. It's their life goals and outlook that I find unappealing. The type of things western women are passionate about (celebrity gossip, posting on instagram, watching tv, partying, going clubbing, smoking pot, travelling, going to concerts, being child free, going to graduate school for some ridiculous liberal arts degree, etc) are so radically different than my own goals and passions (traditional marriage with a tight knit family, spending time in nature, camping, hiking, frugality, etc) that we may as well be different species. The impression I get about the FSU is that I'm more likely to find a compatible partner there. ALthough my impression is based only on reading stuff on the internet, I haven't actually been there myself.

I do have to agree with you about the tattoos though. What the heck is it with almost every western chick having a bunch of ugly ridiculous tattoos these days? lol.... I'm not a fan.

It sounds to me like you're chasing the sales pitch. Today's generation of FSU ladies are just as likely to read into celebrity, they adore taking photo's and posting them on instagram (it's what they do) and socialising & enjoying nightlife is normal. I'm 37, been married almost 6 years and met my wife when she was 20. I know a few things about the age group you're chasing.

You sound like a bloke who doesn't need to search the other side of the world for a mystical mate and it would be easier finding a Canadian girl who shares the same lifestyle choices as you. I can assure you, flying half way round the world wont fix your compatibility problems and it sounds like you've bought into the 'cozy home' hype.

I took my first trip when I was 28 because I had a good disposable income, wasn't in a long term relationship and loved an adventure. I'd visited many parts of eastern Europe before, found it interesting and met lots of hot girls on my travels. It's also much easier doing this based in Europe, I don't envy the trips you North Americans have to take but it was still an expensive hobby for me.

When I first met my wife, I spent a bit of time with her friends and she has some cute friends. Most of them would be great to date but very few of them wanted kids at 18, they're all on instagram taking selfies, I don't think any of them enjoy camping in the wild or counting their savings. They're normal women looking to do the same kind of stuff as most people.

Just a heads up but having spent quite a bit of time in Canada, I'd suggest you find a nice Canadian girl unless you have the cash and the appetite for a tough adventure. I met my wife in the FSU and had many a great experience in doing so. Fast forward all these years later and we're still filling out Visa/Immigration forms, throwing money at the government, visiting her family and paying for all the bits you don't need to think about with a local partner.

I'm not talking you out of it because we couldn't be happier but don't think that this is some cheap roll in the hay. I forget his name but some other poster on here recently snagged a Ukrainian girl. They're not even together yet and he's announced that he's not going back to Ukraine now he's bagged his trophy. You'll get long odds on that working out well......
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: MBS01 on March 12, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
Ricky:
Glad to see Don posted here as well.  As I suggested via PM do read this trip report as he is giving you a Canadian viewpoint including getting married in the FSU (Lora and I did as well) then bringing his new family home to Canada about 18 months later due to our country's large immigration backlog even for spousal visas.

As to why I did this it is a little different than you: I was older: divorced for about ten years (she was from Brazil); had lost my aunt and parents all in a span of 3 years; took an early retirement; and wanted a partner to share my life with.  When we married Lora was about your age. 

As an example of time spent in the FSU: visited a few ladies over 2 years in both Russia and Ukraine; made 3 trips to visit Lora and got married on the third trip in Ukraine; spent another year apart with visits to Ukraine; came home together to Canada at the end of the second year; all together spent six months living together in Ukraine as a couple before she moved to Canada; and now visit Ukraine together annually to visit family as her parents are also getting older as well.   

As to meeting and finding Lora I first tried some of the "Pay Sites" back before the current pay per letter concept then turned to the Free Sites.  Like others at the time (2002) this worked great for us finding each other.  I still think this will work today, or perhaps some of the Social Media Sites others have mentioned as well.

As to local FSU single ladies here: Canada does have the largest group of people from Ukraine living outside the FSU; the largest Ukrainian Festival in North America is held along Bloor West here in Toronto in early September every year; and Easter is coming so easy to see local lasses at Orthodox Easter Services locally on the evening of Saturday 7, 2018 at local Orthodox Churches here in Toronto.  Where we go downtown for Eastern Easter there will likely be over 1,000 people celebrating for example.  All something for you to consider.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 12, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.
Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Thanks for the info about mamba and loveplanet, I had never heard of them. I used okcupid and plenty of fish and had absolutely no luck.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 12, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
Once you get to be a certain age the best girls are happily married and
then you have to sort through the scraps. The FSU seems to have a
surplus of thin, attractive, educated and interesting women who aren't
married but would like to be.
This is what I'm finding too, that when a woman around here is still single at my age there is usually a good reason the other men don't want her.

My choices then seem to be: 1) seek out a much younger woman (eg early 20s), but I doubt I'd have any success with that because why would she settle for an old geezer like me?, or 2) go to a different culture where I'm more likely to find a compatible partner.

Thanks for the links you provided, I am going to start reading them.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 12, 2018, 05:31:44 PM
My advice to you is look for a rural gal. Forget the canadiàn cities where frivolous excess is everywhere.
Haha... rural gals tend to get married very young. Any close to my age are either single moms or divorcees, neither of which I'm interested in.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: RickyT on March 12, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
As to local FSU single ladies here: Canada does have the largest group of people from Ukraine living outside the FSU; the largest Ukrainian Festival in North America is held along Bloor West here in Toronto in early September every year; and Easter is coming so easy to see local lasses at Orthodox Easter Services locally on the evening of Saturday 7, 2018 at local Orthodox Churches here in Toronto.  Where we go downtown for Eastern Easter there will likely be over 1,000 people celebrating for example.  All something for you to consider.
I'll look into it... But I would feel awkward going to some festival alone. I'll try to see if I can find a friend to go with me. And even then, I'm not sure if the girls would appreciate some random creep like me hitting on them. I'm not the type of guy who is comfortable approaching girls in public. I use online dating sites because at least you know the girls on there are there because they are looking for a guy. But girls out enjoying a festival might be there just to enjoy the festival and would regard me as a creep if I tried to get their number.

Also... why is everyone assuming that I'm looking for a Ukrainian girl instead of a Russian one? (not that I have any preference since they're pretty much the same as far as I know, I'm just curious why everyone is making that assumption)
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: MBS01 on March 12, 2018, 06:50:17 PM
As to why one thinks of Ukraine ladies instead of Russian ones is mainly since Eurovision Win for European songs Ukraine dropped the Visa requirement for visitors from the EU; USA; Canada, etc.  Russia still requires you to get and pay for a Tourist Visa including details and tickets for your visit before obtaining a visa.  Meanwhile even Russian ladies can also visit Ukraine without a visa as well.  So mainly less hassle especially for a first visit to feel things out to travel to Ukraine.

As to where your love interest is from who cares as long as you are both happy.  Case in point my Lora was born in Russia and moved as a child to Ukraine.  The family lives in both countries as part previously lived in Ukraine and part in Russia.  So once you find the one where she is actually from will not matter really.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 12, 2018, 07:06:17 PM

What forum was that, RW-G?

Yep, It was the Guide
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 12, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
Haha... rural gals tend to get married very young. Any close to my age are either single moms or divorcees, neither of which I'm interested in.

Some of the smarter and more adventurous rural girls
move to the city to attend the University, to work or
both. 

Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 12, 2018, 08:16:56 PM
Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

I don't think it constitutes dishonesty until you start lying about it. You've heard of social drinking, no? Well why not social praying? Agnosticism is where you don't believe or disbelieve, correct? So what's the harm in saying a few prayers just to cover the old bum?  :)
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Rockstar77 on March 13, 2018, 02:13:59 AM
I would say the best way to describe the Ukrainian female mindset of now versus back in the day is pretty clear cut and simple. Us being both Canadians...chances are you went through a recession and it sucks big time. I was in the oil and gas industry both times when they hit and got let go due to cutbacks. When you have rent, bills, car payments, etc and you thought waiting it out for a bit would be fine, Because recessions can only last for a few months. Well...Eventually you have to cave and take what you can get. Any money and work is better then nothing. So did I resort to jobs that I would normally roll my eyes at. Absolutely. Did I do work that I knew I should be making way better money for what it was...sure. But I had to do what I had to do to get by. To get even those average jobs I had to lie and make things up like I had experience and change up my personality during the interviews to make me look to fit the position. But after things got good guess what.. I was gone as fast as I came. Mind you that there was one job out of the many that I thought..hmmm..the money wasn’t that great but I really loved that job and the people I worked with. So if you get anything from this..the Ukrainian female mindset used to work on the same variables. Men coming to their countries didn’t have to be good looking or even that rich. Sure it was more desirable but if you could afford to fly to Ukraine to stay then chances are you already were making a decent living and also you had good intentions of loving and treating the women good. Are those days gone. No but you have to have more going for you now to succeed and it’s not just money. Unfortunately you have to be good looking and funny to get a little vixen that comes with a stunning personality. I’m being honest. If you look at old Soviet movies, you would always see the beautiful actresses but the god awful looking actors and think...girls thought these men were good looking but what else was on tv until these days they have access to European and North American shows or music videos. The average looking man or nerds isn’t portrayed as a hero in our cultures. The days of Ukrainian women just settling is a thing of the past. Why go to Europe or North America when the average man in Ukraine who can speak their language and make a decent living..what’s the need to get out.

I may be wrong and as anyone knows that anything is possible in this world. I’d say you’ll meet success in Ukraine if your pretty decent looking and make a pretty normal living but you’d have to have a stellar personality to even then do well...it isn’t an easy journey but is it worth it...yes. Are you right for leaving Canada to find better women...yes 10000000000%. Every time I see a guy and a girl walking down the street in Canada...I think..you poor fool...run and don’t look back. Are Canadian women trash...friggin right. The only thing they are good for is a few months of fun and dropping them as fast as possible. There’s plenty of gorgeous women in North America but their personalities are the worst. Coming from this post I’m sure my personality will get toasted but I’m just being honest instead of painting a pretty picture. I’ve already succeeded here in Ukraine. I’m here right now and it’s my 10th visit so it’s not like I don’t know the score here. RickyT...if your sick of the Canadian girls mindset. Take a chance in Ukraine. I did and it rocked. Is it expensive...yes..ten visits and average tickets to here every two months is 1000 to 1300 plus living here for 40 to 50 days each time...the money adds up. But hey..it’s just money...I quit smoking and used to spend 500$ a month on cigarettes. No wonder how my poor friends used to be able to go on nice vacations. They didn’t smoke. Good luck.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Maxx on March 13, 2018, 04:10:30 AM
Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Agnosticism is where you don't believe or disbelieve, correct? So what's the harm in saying a few prayers just to cover the old bum?  :)

Agnosticism is where you doubt there is a God but consider him a possibility. So your second question about sending out a few prayers for a "just in case" is how agnostics think. However in Scripture God requires faith and belief in him and living as he wants. Doing it your way and not his way is considered disobedience and sin. He wants no part of that. So he is not going to "cover the old bum" of those who willfully disobey him. Such discussions on this board, brings out the demons in some of the members here so be forewarned  :evilgrin0002:  >:(  :GRRRR:
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Maxx on March 13, 2018, 04:24:20 AM
There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.
Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.


I totally agree with you that a church girl would not be a good fit for you. You would be doing the girl a great disservice by her being yoked to an unbeliever. For me it would work because I am a Christian. I also know your stereotype is just that, a stereotype. A lot of religious people are not as you described. I am a Christian and besides some Georgian monastics I've stepped into I haven't been in a church in 15 years. I rarely pray and I know the earth is far older that 6000 years. Going to church does not necessary turn one into a fanatic.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 13, 2018, 07:43:10 AM

Agnosticism is where you doubt there is a God but consider him a possibility. So your second question about sending out a few prayers for a "just in case" is how agnostics think. However in Scripture God requires faith and belief in him and living as he wants. Doing it your way and not his way is considered disobedience and sin. He wants no part of that. So he is not going to "cover the old bum" of those who willfully disobey him. Such discussions on this board, brings out the demons in some of the members here so be forewarned  :evilgrin0002:  >:(  :GRRRR:

Thanks for the explanation as well as the forewarning Maxx. :thumbsup: The last thing I need do is stir the demons of RUA. :laugh:
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: MBS01 on March 13, 2018, 07:52:37 AM
Just a note for RickyT both Rockstar and I found our wives in Dnepr. which is one of the 3 largest cities in Ukraine with over 2 million people living there.  So as noted elsewhere rural gals do move there and also to Kiev or Kharkov for education, work etc. to get ahead in life.  Thus good places to consider finding a lady looking for a soulmate and marriage either local or foreign.

Likewise as well there are direct flights 3 times a week via Austrian Air via Vienna to Dnepr.  Usually on the return flight we spend a few days in Vienna as you have to stay overnight anyway and might as well enjoy seeing the sights in this lovely alpine setting to for a little extra money.
 
Also if you fly into and out of Kiev the road to other parts of the country are in very poor shape due to the ongoing conflict and lack of road work in country.  So a good reason to consider the direct flight to Dnepr. for us when visiting family.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Contrarian on March 13, 2018, 08:02:25 AM
There are certainly in the United States women who meet your criteria i.e. traditional marriage. One only needs to attend a conservative Christian church to meet them, they tend to be demure Christian Stepford type wives. These women will tolerate the rigorous mental and intellectual standards that you are seeking. I am confident in Canada you can find such a church organization as well.
Yes, conservative Christian girls do posses a lot of the qualities I'm looking for. Unfortunately, they also tend to posses a lot I don't. For example, their life tends to revolve around the church, they believe you'll go to hell if you don't pray a gazillion times a day, they believe the earth is 6000 years old, etc.

Besides, I am agnostic so it would be dishonest of me to go to a church in an attempt to find a partner.

Thanks for the info about mamba and loveplanet, I had never heard of them. I used okcupid and plenty of fish and had absolutely no luck.

You’ll find that most FSU women are not fanatical about religion and rarely go to church. The ones who list Christianity as their religion are actually often agnostic, or they only attend once or twice a year. They dress sexy normally and don’t have the American puritanical guilt about sex.  :)
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Halo on March 13, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
If you look at old Soviet movies, you would always see the beautiful actresses but the god awful looking actors and think...girls thought these men were good looking but what else was on tv until these days they have access to European and North American shows or music videos. The average looking man or nerds isn’t portrayed as a hero in our cultures.

You are correct in the observation of Soviet heroes, but sort of missed the point.  You must have been watching the average proletarian movie which frankly, was the average slop served to Soviets.  The edict came down in Stalin's time - a proletarian, or a kolkhoz worker, had to be average looking or below.  Sort of silly, but that was the "ideal".  That was for both males and females.  Good looking actors were mostly in the theatre, not movies, but if in movies, played villains, such as the Whites, thieves, con artists, etc.  Below is such an actor, Vasily Lanovoy, in his role as Anatol Kuragin from War and Peace.  When Lanovoy was admired for his good looks, nasty rumours were circulated by Soviet officials, claiming he was a sexual deviant, to make him less appealing.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/6d/85/766d8597cf9f836114699eeb3e948587.jpg)


Actors FSUW were aware of and loved for their looks (in Soviet times) -

1.  Gregory Peck
2.  Marcello Mastroianni
3.  Alain Delon
4.  Omar Sharif
5.  Timothy Dalton
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Halo on March 13, 2018, 10:28:29 AM
You’ll find that most FSU women are not fanatical about religion and rarely go to church. The ones who list Christianity as their religion are actually often agnostic, or they only attend once or twice a year.

Depends on the region.  The Ukrainian churches here are well over 50% FSU families (Ukrainian husband, wife, and their children), every Sunday.  A few Ukrainian women who have also compelled their foreign husbands to attend can be seen, but that is rarer in my observation.  That's pretty much in any Ukrainian church I've attended here.  So, I think you are wrong although certainly one can find a non religious woman as well.
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: Steveboy on March 16, 2018, 11:30:17 AM
As a kid I always thought I'd be married with a family by my 30s (like my parents were), but here I am 35 and still single. I was in a relationship for most of my early 20s but we broke up as we didn't want the same things in life. (basically I wanted a large family and she didn't). Since then I've had no luck, one short relationship that only lasted a few months, and a few one night stands. Ideally I would find a suitable partner locally so I wouldn't have to worry about the complications that come with cultural differences, but I'm just not having any luck with these canadian girls. Is it time to consider the FSU or am I still too young?

Personally I think that the thread heading "resort to the FSU" , extremely degrading..

If you have shown the same/similar respect for Canadian Ladies, its no wonder that you are still single.

May be better if you try China or somewhere else, as you seem to be showing no respect for FSU ladies..

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How do I know when it's time to resort to the FSU?
Post by: justadude on March 25, 2018, 10:25:35 AM
I think I can sympathize with the original question, although it could have been worded a bit more delicately. Both on my end and on my fiancée’s end we get questions about why we can’t find a partner in our own country. That’s all I’ve got!

Good luck to your whatever you do!