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Information & Chat => News & Political Discussion => Topic started by: Markje on April 03, 2017, 08:26:12 AM
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2 were confirmed. 1 dud. Noone claimed responsibility yet
https://www.rt.com/news/383202-st-petersburg-blast-metro/
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The agency, quoting unnamed sources, said surveillance cameras had captured images of what it called the organizers of the explosion, which hit St Petersburg as President Vladimir Putin was visiting the city.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-minister-10-dead-in-st-petersburg-metro-blast-interfax/ar-BBzgNmo?li=BBnb7Kz
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It'd be hard for the people placing the devices to be able to do so without being seen and recorded. I doubt that the perpetrators will go undetected. I also rather doubt that they will be killed rather than captured - unless they choose suicide, either before capture or at the point of capture.
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OMG! :( Watching right now http://www.1tv.ru/news/issue/2017-04-03/15:00#1
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It'd be hard for the people placing the devices to be able to do so without being seen and recorded. I doubt that the perpetrators will go undetected. I also rather doubt that they will be killed rather than captured - unless they choose suicide, either before capture or at the point of capture.
Right. Here is the picture of the suspect: http://piter.tv/event/Foto_cheloveka_kotorogo_ugolovnij_rozisk_ischet_v_svyazi_so_vzrivom/
According to the last link in the same article (latest news) there are 10 victims and about 50 injured :(
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Awww. From our fav. Terrorist faith. Who wouldve thought
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Awww. From our fav. Terrorist faith. Who wouldve thought
Of course, the Religion of Peace again. :knit:
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
And how many times does it have to be , before it counts as a group-thing and not just people being :censored: s?
I don't really care about the group-name, but if X% of the group misbehaves perpetually, does it count as a group-thing?
And what if X% causes severe disruption in society? When does that count as a group thing?
And what if X% causes death in society? When does that count as a group thing?
Etc.
My X has long since passed, this is a structural problem and no longer a 'loner' thing.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
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Of course, the Religion of Peace again. :knit:
Sighs - Ste is on the money
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The only "bright side" in this tragedy is that people of St. Petersburg have once again proved their city is true "Hero" («Город-герой»). In the runet there are numerous posts about people helping each other, expensive cars stopping to give a free lift to those in need, cabs giving lifts for free, people who live nearby offering overnight to those who are stuck in the area and so on.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
100% agree.
The X% is a minuscule number in the big scheme of things. Muslims that I know are every bit as disgusted by such actions and even more so, because they know that people will try to hold them personally responsible for a stranger's heinous acts, which they themselves find utterly appalling.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
100% agree.
The X% is a minuscule number in the big scheme of things. Muslims that I know are every bit as disgusted by such actions and even more so, because they know that people will try to hold them personally responsible for a stranger's heinous acts, which they themselves find utterly appalling.
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Every time a Catholic / whatever terrorist act occurs, (or child porn in Catholic cases ), there is always a pope speaking up and being horrified.
I quite miss that, with the muslim faith.
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From RT:
The Russian Investigative Committee has identified 22-year-old Akbarzhon Dzhalilov, a Kyrgyz-born Russian citizen, as the suspect believed to have carried out the terrorist bombing in the Saint Petersburg Metro.
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Of course, the Religion of Peace again. :knit:
Sighs - Ste is on the money
Av, Sighs,
Moby, :pointlaugh: If your boat had a hole in it and it was sinking you would say the water is the problem.
Of course you would be correct ~ do you know what the solution is? Plug the effing hole and start bailing!
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
100% agree.
The X% is a minuscule number in the big scheme of things. Muslims that I know are every bit as disgusted by such actions and even more so, because they know that people will try to hold them personally responsible for a stranger's heinous acts, which they themselves find utterly appalling.
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Every time a Catholic / whatever terrorist act occurs, (or child porn in Catholic cases ), there is always a pope speaking up and being horrified.
I quite miss that, with the muslim faith.
You miss it because Islam does not have any central leadership per say like Catholicism. But pay more attention, Muslim community leaders at the local level do speak out when these things occur. At least that's how it is in Canada. And Ramzan Kadyrov, a Muslim, has offered up possibly the strongest domestic comments in Russia so far: "This was a horrendous act of terror, and those who organized and carried it out should be identified and suffer the most severe punishment," and "Kadyrov described the attack’s organizers as "criminals," and said the response should be "not just severe, but merciless" because such people only understand force." I get the impression you are only seeing what you want to see, regardless of the facts.
An interesting point that has been impressed upon me by regular, everyday Muslims in Canada is that they feel blamed for acts that have nothing to do with them and their views and they feel some sort of obligation to "speak out" when such things occur. I can sympathize as I have never felt any expectation on me to speak out when someone commits a heinous act, apparently in the name of some twisted interpretation of Christianity.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The "religion of peace" has Imam's who preach hatred and admonish their followers to commit heinous acts. Were there no muslim religion those living on the edge could find other outlets for their predispositions. People who are mercurial and possibly dangerous can be taught good behaviors.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
And how many times does it have to be , before it counts as a group-thing and not just people being :censored: s?
I don't really care about the group-name, but if X% of the group misbehaves perpetually, does it count as a group-thing?
And what if X% causes severe disruption in society? When does that count as a group thing?
And what if X% causes death in society? When does that count as a group thing?
Etc.
My X has long since passed, this is a structural problem and no longer a 'loner' thing.
It's simple mathematics. Those on the left such as Ste are incapable of detaching from their desire that muslims are all good people. They're too emotional; it's a disease of the left. Whether right or left in your politics simply detach, perform the math and there's your answer.
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RIP to the victims. May the perp get his 72 virgins -- Greco-Roman gay warrior types.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4378464/St-Petersburg-suicide-bomber-s-dismembered-body-found.html
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The "religion of peace" has Imam's who preach hatred and admonish their followers to commit heinous acts. Were there no muslim religion those living on the edge could find other outlets for their predispositions. People who are mercurial and possibly dangerous can be taught good behaviors.
The conflict between the followers of Muhammad and the Christian and Jewish believers goes back a ways. The roots lie in the tale of Hagar and Abraham, there son Ishmael was sent into the desert, so Abraham could have a 'rightful' and sole heir in his son Isaac.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The "religion of peace" has Imam's who preach hatred and admonish their followers to commit heinous acts. Were there no muslim religion those living on the edge could find other outlets for their predispositions. People who are mercurial and possibly dangerous can be taught good behaviors.
The conflict between the followers of Muhammad and the Christian and Jewish believers goes back a ways. The roots lie in the tale of Hagar and Abraham, there son Ishmael was sent into the desert, so Abraham could have a 'rightful' and sole heir in his son Isaac.
I am perfectly aware of the Old Testament history on Abraham, but it has ZERO to do with the followers of Islam being murderous psychopaths, IMO.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The "religion of peace" has Imam's who preach hatred and admonish their followers to commit heinous acts. Were there no muslim religion those living on the edge could find other outlets for their predispositions. People who are mercurial and possibly dangerous can be taught good behaviors.
The conflict between the followers of Muhammad and the Christian and Jewish believers goes back a ways. The roots lie in the tale of Hagar and Abraham, there son Ishmael was sent into the desert, so Abraham could have a 'rightful' and sole heir in his son Isaac.
I am perfectly aware of the Old Testament history on Abraham, but it has ZERO to do with the followers of Islam being murderous psychopaths.
People are people, good and bad in every aspect, you can't label a whole religion like that, look at the Catholic Church here in Ireland where I'm working now, equal in every respect in the killing and murdering scheme of things, if not even better if you like that sort of thing.
You have to think about how disaffected people react to oppression, look through history, even recent history shows the disaffected youth of Derry (Google Young Derry Hooligans) escalated the IRA's wish to unite Ireland into extreme violence, to remove the British Army from the streets in Norn Iron, to the similar desire that Young Disaffected Muslims feel about their countries being dictated to by the West, bombed to fookery, the parallel is as plain as a pikestaff, why castigate todays latest object of hatred?
What is happening now is wrong, and deserves action, but it's not fair to label all as all bad, be realistic, people bandwagon, in five years time it'll be some other disaffected section of society, maybe Trump supporters after his impeachment.....
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The "religion of peace" has Imam's who preach hatred and admonish their followers to commit heinous acts. Were there no muslim religion those living on the edge could find other outlets for their predispositions. People who are mercurial and possibly dangerous can be taught good behaviors.
The conflict between the followers of Muhammad and the Christian and Jewish believers goes back a ways. The roots lie in the tale of Hagar and Abraham, there son Ishmael was sent into the desert, so Abraham could have a 'rightful' and sole heir in his son Isaac.
I am perfectly aware of the Old Testament history on Abraham, but it has ZERO to do with the followers of Islam being murderous psychopaths.
People are people, good and bad in every aspect, you can't label a whole religion like that, look at the Catholic Church here in Ireland where I'm working now, equal in every respect in the killing and murdering scheme of things, if not even better if you like that sort of thing.
You have to think about how disaffected people react to oppression, look through history, even recent history shows the disaffected youth of Derry (Google Young Derry Hooligans) escalated the IRA's wish to unite Ireland into extreme violence, to remove the British Army from the streets in Norn Iron, to the similar desire that Young Disaffected Muslims feel about their countries being dictated to by the West, bombed to fookery, the parallel is as plain as a pikestaff, why castigate todays latest object of hatred?
What is happening now is wrong, and deserves action, but it's not fair to label all as all bad, be realistic, people bandwagon, in five years time it'll be some other disaffected section of society, maybe Trump supporters after his impeachment.....
You're avoiding the obvious. London is nearly lost and cities like Bradford are completely lost. Keep believing your delusions if you wish. When you retire I suggest Russia. Or the USA. Germany is getting worse day by day and would not be a safe place to retire.
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/01/12/bradford-child-sex-crimes-muslims/
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
Come on mate, have the balls to acknowledge the trend. I watched that programme on Turkey by Simon Reeve the other night and his interview with that bloke who heads the countries religious programme.
He admitted to failures within his religion including terrorising & child marriage - something us soft cocks in the west feel all guilty about admitting, even though it ain't us doing it!!
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
Come on mate, have the balls to acknowledge the trend. I watched that programme on Turkey by Simon Reeve the other night and his interview with that bloke who heads the countries religious programme.
He admitted to failures within his religion including terrorising & child marriage - something us soft cocks in the west feel all guilty about admitting, even though it ain't us doing it!!
Bit like the Reggie Yates programme about Russia, gays and blacks...
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
So you're admitting that this particular faith/followers currently has a problem? That's what I'm saying so I find it strange you try to disagree with me.
I couldn't give a monkeys what happened back in the day. I'm alive now and our society has daily issues with Islam.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
Come on mate, have the balls to acknowledge the trend. I watched that programme on Turkey by Simon Reeve the other night and his interview with that bloke who heads the countries religious programme.
He admitted to failures within his religion including terrorising & child marriage - something us soft cocks in the west feel all guilty about admitting, even though it ain't us doing it!!
Bit like the Reggie Yates programme about Russia, gays and blacks...
What's your point?
Reggie spoke to youths with extreme views, Reeves spoke to the head of religious affairs in Turkey, who writes the weekly national sermons and has influence throughout the Muslim world.
I see what you're trying to do but your effort to water drown fact is weak as piss mate.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
If you look back through history you will see that what is happening is nothing new. The only difference is that back in history Islam was contained, now the mushy west hasn't the balls to face up to the problem and is in complete denial of the fact that there is a problem.
This is down to, in no small measure, apologists like you.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
If you look back through history you will see that what is happening is nothing new. The only difference is that back in history Islam was contained, now the mushy west hasn't the balls to face up to the problem and is in complete denial of the fact that there is a problem.
This is down to, in no small measure, apologists like you.
I'm not and never have denied there is a problem, but the cause of the issue here is Western meddling and bombing of their countries, not to mention regime change.
I'm not prepared to concede that an entire people and an entire religion is 'bad'.
Some are, some aren't, and we can say that about every people and religion. Islam is at the forefront now because that's were all the Western meddling is directed at.
Some of the greatest thinkers and philosophers were/are Muslim, look at Kayyam and Mernisi to start you off.
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
Come on mate, have the balls to acknowledge the trend. I watched that programme on Turkey by Simon Reeve the other night and his interview with that bloke who heads the countries religious programme.
He admitted to failures within his religion including terrorising & child marriage - something us soft cocks in the west feel all guilty about admitting, even though it ain't us doing it!!
Bit like the Reggie Yates programme about Russia, gays and blacks...
What's your point?
Reggie spoke to youths with extreme views, Reeves spoke to the head of religious affairs in Turkey, who writes the weekly national sermons and has influence throughout the Muslim world.
I see what you're trying to do but your effort to water drown fact is weak as piss mate.
"Russia's Supreme Court has begun hearing a government request to outlaw the Jehovah's Witnesses and declare it an extremist organisation.
The justice ministry has already placed its headquarters near St Petersburg on a list of extremist groups."
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I'm not prepared to concede that an entire people and an entire religion is 'bad'.
Of course you are not. I hope nobody is. We know what that kind of thinking is called and how it ends.
I think i've been mentioning this book before: Aaron Tyler, Islam, the West, and Tolerance ( Conceiving Coexistence) ;
it's basically reverse/ contrary of of Samuel P. Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations.
I studied both within obligatory curriculum. Huntigton was fav thinker of Croatia's late Tudjman (Milosevic's doppleganger, Cro version, so to say.)
To me personally, of course, Tyler's theory is closer. I believe it would be to anyone of us. I believe it's normal for majority to seek balance and some kind of compromise. Alas, Tyler himself writes that the problem is there are many contradicting "instructions'' in their holy book. You can pick what you like. One part says, for example (re. other religions) - "to each their own", then the next suggests "off with their heads". Many of that religion are in 3d world, not in good living conditions, probably easy to influence for the worse. There will also always be intelligent and normal people too. I posted before i think it was a mistake to let so many refuges to Europe. (Those who were refugees for real - of course, but many among them had other motives). But then it was also a mistake to meddle into those countries' affairs because of oil and because the west thinks they can apply their criteria and traditions to everyone. I won't pretend i know the answer. Right now, i am all for " chop wood, carry water " - mind my own business and what i can directly influence (PESACH CLEANING!!! ;D)
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Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
If you look back through history you will see that what is happening is nothing new. The only difference is that back in history Islam was contained, now the mushy west hasn't the balls to face up to the problem and is in complete denial of the fact that there is a problem.
This is down to, in no small measure, apologists like you.
I'm not and never have denied there is a problem, but the cause of the issue here is Western meddling and bombing of their countries, not to mention regime change.
I'm not prepared to concede that an entire people and an entire religion is 'bad'.
Some are, some aren't, and we can say that about every people and religion. Islam is at the forefront now because that's were all the Western meddling is directed at.
Some of the greatest thinkers and philosophers were/are Muslim, look at Kayyam and Mernisi to start you off.
There is an inherent dichotomy between Islam and other religions/belief systems. Islam does not tolerate or accept any other faith/religion/whatever. So anyone who is not a follower is an infidel/unbeliever/kafir. Every muslim believes in this tenet of their faith so by default, all muslims can be tarred with the same brush. There are always exceptions but Islam will not coexist with other faiths.
It makes me laugh swear at state occasions when they trot out the Imams and, indeed, other faith leaders, at what is essentially a Christian ceremony.
All the bruhah about western meddling is just so much horsedung. There are many Islamic countries where there has been no western meddling and yet Islam still has an anti west stance. In fact, its not even anti west, its anti anything that doesnt support or accept Islam.
It is entirely plausible that if the Islamic tide is not stopped, in 100 years the caucasian inhabitants of western Europe will be subservient to Islam apart from a few pockets in Eastern Europe still holding out.
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:dh:Nothing to do with religion, just people being cúnts..
In a way Ste is correct in as much that the cünts are not following a religion or faith, but rather a political manifestation or objective. That they cloak there actions in religion is there own misguided intent.
The problem is that one particular runt religion promotes and perpetrates these actions, continually.
The simple solution is to ban followers of said runt religion from participation in the Western world.
OK, we'll roll with that version then. So tell me again, why is it always Islam these troubled individuals follow? (:)
It is at the moment cos they are the currently disaffected.
Go back through history and see the pattern, cause and effect.
If you look back through history you will see that what is happening is nothing new. The only difference is that back in history Islam was contained, now the mushy west hasn't the balls to face up to the problem and is in complete denial of the fact that there is a problem.
This is down to, in no small measure, apologists like you.
I'm not and never have denied there is a problem, but the cause of the issue here is Western meddling and bombing of their countries, not to mention regime change.
I'm not prepared to concede that an entire people and an entire religion is 'bad'.
Some are, some aren't, and we can say that about every people and religion. Islam is at the forefront now because that's were all the Western meddling is directed at.
Some of the greatest thinkers and philosophers were/are Muslim, look at Kayyam and Mernisi to start you off.
There is an inherent dichotomy between Islam and other religions/belief systems. Islam does not tolerate or accept any other faith/religion/whatever. So anyone who is not a follower is an infidel/unbeliever/kafir. Every muslim believes in this tenet of their faith so by default, all muslims can be tarred with the same brush. There are always exceptions but Islam will not coexist with other faiths.
It makes me laugh swear at state occasions when they trot out the Imams and, indeed, other faith leaders, at what is essentially a Christian ceremony.
All the bruhah about western meddling is just so much horsedung. There are many Islamic countries where there has been no western meddling and yet Islam still has an anti west stance. In fact, its not even anti west, its anti anything that doesnt support or accept Islam.
It is entirely plausible that if the Islamic tide is not stopped, in 100 years the caucasian inhabitants of western Europe will be subservient to Islam apart from a few pockets in Eastern Europe still holding out.
DS comes to the basic issue, there has been since written history a conflict between the followers of Islam and Christianity.
We saw on one side the Christian Crusades, which by today's standards, were neither Christian or Crusades. On the other side there was the Arab/African invasion of present day Spain and Portugal. And there was the Ottoman/Arab invasion of Europe stopping and slowly receding from Wenen twice in the 16th and 17th centuries.
But the de-facto conflict has never been reconciled. We are seeing it in a new form and a more subtle method of invasion.
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But the de-facto conflict has never been reconciled. We are seeing it in a new form and a more subtle method of invasion.
Yes. I think the main problem is that several parties/ sides have interest in NOT ending it. And i am totally not referring to conspiracy theories. During the wars here (and at all involved sides) we had war profiteers. That part i think most of us get, as evil as it is. Then, we had anti-war profiteers... Individuals, intellectuals, media owners and so on, who made it a business in opposing the war. I was quite young and innocent back then, i couldn't get it that human nature can get rotten to that extent. Btw, after it all was finished, to the relief of the majority of normal/ common people... Guess who lamented more that it's over? The "anti-war" ones... I am writing stuff i witnessed. Many years passed since then. It is still beyond my comprehension.
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8 people detained in connection with St. Petersburg Metro bombing – official
https://www.rt.com/news/383752-eight-detained-petersburg-metro-bombing/
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Radical Uzbek link suspected in St. Petersburg metro blast
http://rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/04/07/radical-uzbek-link-suspected-in-st-petersburg-metro-blast_737162
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St Petersburg attack: Russian police question new suspect
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/17/st-petersburg-attack-russian-police-question-new-suspect
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St. Petersburg metro blown up by 'extremists back from Syria'
http://rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/04/27/st-petersburg-metro-blown-up-by-extremists-back-from-syria_751903
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Classic liberal western media. Terrorism is a crime, and how can you not be aggressive in doing whatever it takes to get these terrorist scum.
Russia’s aggressive response to the St. Petersburg subway bombing is raising questions
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/heres-thenew-target-in-russias-televised-hunt-for-islamic-state-terrorists/2017/05/06/e21b78ae-2a90-11e7-9081-f5405f56d3e4_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.f4071700f263