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Welcome! => New Member Introductions => Topic started by: irishalien on November 07, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
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Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Lugansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!
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Dont even think about it - deception equals 10 year visa ban, Ukraine isnt consudered a warzone not that she’d be granted a visit visa anyway.
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Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Lugansk for about a year.
Have you met her in person?
I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
Is she not a Ukr citizen? If she is, why does she need a 'fixer' for a passport?
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!
She's not likely to get a tourist visa, and not likely to get "refugee" status either. Go meet her in Ukraine in Kiev or Kharkov. Your'e talking "marriage" to a woman you have evidently never met.
B/B
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Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Lugansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!
Scam alert!
Rule 1)
Go meet her in Ukraine. Kharkov or Odessa or Dnipro or Kiev.
Chances are you’re writing to hairy Boris, IOW you’re writing to a photo.
Don’t be surprised when the request for airfare comes. Don’t do it!
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Hello to all. I have been writing a sweet woman from Lugansk for about a year. I will update my profile but basically she wants to travel to my city. She has a two year old.
She has yet to ask for money.
Our letters have been very pleasant for me and I would not be concerned if it was a scam, but it seems unlikely. I would like to help her travel here for marriage but we are trying to get her a Ukrainian passport from a "fixer".
I have met with immigration lawyers who advise if she can get a tourist visa we might get refugee status.
Any thoughts about this strange area would be great. I will go to the profile section.
Thanks!
Scam alert!
Rule 1)
Go meet her in Ukraine. Kharkov or Odessa or Dnipro or Kiev.
Chances are you’re writing to hairy Boris, IOW you’re writing to a photo.
Don’t be surprised when the request for airfare comes. Don’t do it!
Not many scammers will waist a year of communication and not have gotten some money from time to time.
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Thanks for the quick responses.
I think there is a resource for me here once we get past the scam advice. I will try not to be too wordy. We communicate directly by email, and have exchanged enough pictures of her and the 2 year old to know it's not Boris. A year is too long for scammers, who use the same pictures and approach and are pretty obvious, but never say never, I am prepared for that.
Brief background, when I found this board three years ago I could not decide which was worse, the age difference advice or the scam alerts. My last wife was thirty years younger and we are still raising three teenagers. The first two are happily remarried to much better men, so I am pretty well versed in American women, and think I have had enough of them. I am training for a half triathlon and nothing is broken yet.
The lady in Kharkov that I was writing about in 2014 with all the flaming responses on this board got cancer and died, and I took two years off. The loveme site produced 9,000 letters from women in three months. I answered two of them, and this is the brave one. I have invested $250 to that dating site, including her contact info, before we went direct, they were cheap and except for all the scam letters.
As of July 2017, Lugansk, No train service, no mail, and border crossings with checkpoints which I don't want to experience at this point, and she either can't or won't go to Kiev for papers because of her daughter. The fixer at $500 is a bargain, and again, even if I get scammed it was all much cheaper than analysis. Her letters of support and encouragement have been great. And I don't need advice about pool boys either!
The problem is if I ignore the state department advice and go through Kiev or Russia, Don Rostov, and train to her city, I am at risk and not thrilled, although I considered it because it appears the only way to get a fiance visa. I don't want to go to cities where they still blow up monuments and kill people.
The lawyers are pretty confidant that if we can get her and the child here somehow, they have enough clout to keep her.
This is not soulmate or sex driven stuff, guys, I really want to give her and the child a better life. (Dad fled during the war and she has never heard from him again, she had the baby while they were shelling the airport). Scammers are not that inventive (I think).
Thanks for letting me ramble, not a lot of internet resources for this dilemma, any thoughts or even corrections of my conceptions would be helpful.
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Just noticed you are from USA, not proper Irish, I know nothing about US visa system....
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Even if the lady who you have communicated with is genuine and sincere, the probability of getting a tourist visa from someone in Ukraine (without significant assets and strong reasons to return back to her country) is very small because the US immigration visa procedures always default to assume that the visa applicant will violate the visa provisions (even if they swear that they won't). The applicant will be treated as a potential illegal alien. This is all spelled out on the USCIS website. And if there is any hint that she is trying to find someone to marry here, that would automatically disqualify her from getting a visa. Foreigners with few assets have almost no chance of getting a tourist visa. They may have a better chance with the diversity visa program (Ukraine residents can apply), but you may not get selected for years, if ever.
Note that if you are an Irish alien in the US, the ability to petition another alien into the country is very limited. Permanent residents usually are behind US citizens in terms of petition filing priority processing for relatives.
N.B. That truck driver who ran over the people in lower Manhattan did come into this country through the diversity lottery visa program. Supposedly, over 30 people were also admitted through his intervention. So "green card" holders appear to be able to petition others from his country.
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Even if the lady who you have communicated with is genuine and sincere, the probability of getting a tourist visa from someone in Ukraine (without significant assets and strong reasons to return back to her country) is very small because the US immigration visa procedures always default to assume that the visa applicant will violate the visa provisions (even if they swear that they won't). The applicant will be treated as a potential illegal alien. This is all spelled out on the USCIS website. And if there is any hint that she is trying to find someone to marry here, that would automatically disqualify her from getting a visa. Foreigners with few assets have almost no chance of getting a tourist visa. They may have a better chance with the diversity visa program (Ukraine residents can apply), but you may not get selected for years, if ever.
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If you're trying to get things in order I do have a couple questions.
The lady has a young daughter, does she have full custody? If not you will fist need to get this in order.
I'm a bit skeptical about her not wanting to go to Kiev, most of your problems would be eliminated if she was willing to make the small effort.
She may be sincere, but I am having some doubts.
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Sorry about the user name Irishalien, which I use because I can remember it, almost as a joke. My family came to the united states in 1630, mom was just excited that after the english genealogy search we were mostly irish before that, cheered us all up.
Thanks, some good thoughts. Let's see what the "fixer" can do and i will talk to her some more about trip to Kiev. this is actually helping! Yay
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She does not drive and I accept it is a bit problematic to go from the donblass to Kiev and do the border crossing at checkpoints, then stay there and return. I assume as a reasonably corrupt society as I have read I can get her a passport for the cost/risk of that trip.
She has full custody and has not seen the father since he fled during the fighting. I really appreciate new information, which is why i think the internet is a good resource.
thank you both
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First problem as I see it. What Passport will she get for her and the child? Ukrainian, Russian, or something else? As that part of the country is semi-independent or under Russian control. Even if she got to Kiev would they even consider issuing a passport considering where she is from? Even if you have a "Fixer" would that passport stand up to admission for a foreign visa?
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Little information on Ukrainian passports.
Ukrainian Biometric Passport. Only The Facts
http://ukrainian-passport.com/blog/biometric-passport-only-the-facts/
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Again, thanks for the thoughts. She has hopes of a Ukrainian valid passport for her and the child. I am beginning to understand that this area where she lives does not have a stable solution, after reading the U.S. appointment of a diplomat to try to solve this area and Crimea through the Minsk agreement.
Evidently no one here has a Lugansk relationship, but the thoughts and interaction are actually helpful.
Thank you so much
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Again, thanks for the thoughts. She has hopes of a Ukrainian valid passport for her and the child. I am beginning to understand that this area where she lives does not have a stable solution, after reading the U.S. appointment of a diplomat to try to solve this area and Crimea through the Minsk agreement.
Evidently no one here has a Lugansk relationship, but the thoughts and interaction are actually helpful.
Thank you so much
If this is a scam (highly likely) her and her boyfriend (the fixer) have 10 goys like you on the hook. $5,000 is a lot of money in Ukraine.
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The Ukrainian citizens from Crimea and Donbas should receive biometric passports without any restrictions
https://crimeahrg.org/en/the-ukrainian-citizens-should-receive-passports-without-any-restrictions/
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Evidently no one here has a Lugansk relationship, but the thoughts and interaction are actually helpful.
Thank you so much
Hi, 'Irish'alien.. Why DO so many Americans need to feel 'Oirish' ?;)
Sorry, matey - but you don't have a relationship - you are at penpal stage and you are making such serious plans without a real meeting ?
I did correspond - with a lady in Lugansk and we still kept in contact .... I don't recognise some of the 'barriers' to meeting you describe.
She can meet you in either RU or UA.
Where there is a will - there's a way.
Is she a scammer ?- who knows .... All I DO know, is that I would have got my feet on the ground close to her and she'd have found a way to meet you.
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Im two generations down from being Irish, and i live in Ireland but i dont feel Irish...
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Im two generations down from being Irish, and i live in Ireland but i dont feel Irish...
Go buy a fifth of Irish whiskey get hammered and the next morning you’ll feel Irish. :chuckle:
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Im two generations down from being Irish, and i live in Ireland but i dont feel Irish...
Go buy a fifth of Irish whiskey get hammered and the next morning you’ll feel Irish. :chuckle:
Still teetotal despite the temptation of the Guinness Brewery and Jamiesons Distillery.
I like the Uilleann Pipes though, but i hate the brown soda bread you get with everything, and the toll roads..
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My girl is from Lugansk and you can write me privately if you like. I do not believe everyone is a scam artist like some of the other members. Most likely meet her in Kharkov. There are many people from Donbas in Kharkov. I know a translator/guild in Kharkov that could help if you want. If you really like her you can plan other visits. Do not get worried about getting scam out of a hundred dollars or something. She could for real not have any money and need something. It will cost her very little to go to Kharkov but the trip can be hard and take more than a day depending on boarder conditions at the time of her crossing. The plane ticket to Kharkov for me is about a thousand dollars.
Important DO NOT GET MARRIED ANYTIME SOON!!!! Meet and get to know your girl well. VERY WELL!!! She maybe the greatest thing to happen in your life but she could be worse thing also and still not be a scam girl. Some of these girls great and other have bad emotional problems. You NEED to KNOW what you are getting into.
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Further thoughts: If you get her an illegal passport through a so called "Fixer" and later manage to get her to the USA are you not setting yourself up to the potential of being arrested for "Human Trafficking"?
A couple that we know here where the wife's family lived in Lugansk and those family members still living there already moved to Russia to get away from the conflict. This area is still a no mans land in an ongoing war zone!
So first things first: She and the child need to exit the area to either some place else in Ukraine or Russia where they will legally be able to apply for real passports and only then will you be able to see about helping them get to the USA with a fiancée visa. However you will still need documentation that the child's father was killed in action or has agreed to the child travelling with the mother. Also have the parents divorced or are they still married.
A lot of questions need legal answers before you move ahead. This work needs to be done in Ukraine or Russia long before you ever dream of getting them out of occupied Lugansk!
Good Luck what ever you decide.
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Thanks for all the information. I know she could travel to Kiev and get her own passport, but if she says dangerous I believe her. She was never married to the father, who fled the fighting.
The kind link to the passport information is blocked as not a secure connection, but appreciated.
And if she (and boyfriend?) can continue to show me so many pictures of happy little girl, they are welcome to the money. Most on line girls don't really start with having a child, since they know most males don't want the responsibility. I actually know that kids are the best part of my life, and I'm pretty sure scammers would not use that circumstance, but again don't really care.
She wrote me a lot of kind and well thought out and brave words over a year's time, and it helped me a lot.
I will check back in a month with our progress.
Again, thanks
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Do you speak to this person on the telephone?
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Not yet, since my college russian is 40 years out of date and her english is poor. My immigration lawyers will talk to her in the next few weeks about visas since they speak russian, but of course they want a $2500 retainer for fiance visa. Talk about scammers! (just kidding). We have exchanged phone numbers and addresses but no mail service there. It has also been comfortable just using letters for me (not her), since it is a unusual way to date as opposed to the American visual fall in love/lust system and find out the inner person later.
Again thanks for the interactions, it has helped.
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I need to come out and say this, for your own good. I cant believe you've been lurking here for years, reading up and absorbing everything.....and still be so naive.
1) Why haven't you skype'd or face timed her after a year? I wouldn't write a stranger longer than a couple days without verifying what they actually looked like and are they for real!
2) You're way too emotionally involved with someone you don't have a real relationship with. That may sound harsh but its true. You're talking about saving her and the sprog and helping them settle in the US illegally. You're even paying lawyers to discuss this ridiculous fantasy too. They deserve struck off for taking advantage of you.
3) Get her on the visual, stumble through it with copy paste translations and gauge whether this is worth the investment.....and by investment I mean a plane ticket east.
4) Get on a plane (without an engagement ring) and go meet her somewhere within walking distance to her home. If you're told this isn't possible then offer to meet her within a few hours driving distance. If this isn't possible, then you're getting the piss ripped right out you. Walk away and move on before you waste anything else.
You sound like a decent bloke but if you were a mate of mine, I'd have kicked your arse. Seriously, look at it for what it is before wasting any more good money. Follow my advice, meet her if your gut instinct tells you to and then go from there. Talking about lawyers, refugee status, saving women and children and marriage to a person you've never even seen sounds like a bad joke?
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Do you not think it normal, before considering importing and marrying someone, that you at least are able to communicate in a common language and have telephone communication? Even if that communication is by SMS or via an interpreter?
How can you consider marrying a person whose voice you have never heard and whom you have never met?
Assuming this is a real woman on the other end of the email, who has agreed to being imported to the US, wouldn't one expect her after a year to have started to learn English in order to be able to communicate with you? How will you communicate if you did manage to import her?
If she is in Lugansk, and the reported issues surrounding passports were true, why not simply meet her in Russia? The people in the areas that were once known as Ukraine have no difficulty travelling to Russia.
Of course some lawyers will tell you what you want to hear, they are charging you with no guarantee of success. The seed they planted about her being a potential "refugee" is incorrect and preposterous. Lawyers are not cheap to feed.
Have you sent this person any money at all? (Western Union?) If you have, stop it. This isn't a relationship, it's a pen friend. Quite possibly not with a woman. Scams out of Lugansk (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,15991.msg240853.html#msg240853) are as old as the hills.
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Thanks for all the warnings and life advice, but what part of three long term marriages to American women don't you understand? No, I have not lurked here for years, I found it in 2014 and after asking for thoughts was soundly warned by evidently some terribly depressed posters about the Kharkov girl, who later died from cancer at a young age.
I just found it again on an old email so used it a resource for travel ideas, and thoughts, since the internet is not useful.
Google searches and site searches for facial recognition and her picture and profile all were taken down when I decided to help her, she withdrew from the site as did I.
And sprog used to be a derogatory term for a child, but it says now positive.
It is an interesting forum but still too much member depression instead of optimism. Read "the man in the arena" teddy roosevelt and cheer up, and thanks (I guess) for the time. I smile a lot at life.
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I'd recommend you read >this< (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0955687403/?tag=r0be2e-20) for $20 and save yourself the other $2480 that you would otherwise be giving to lawyers. It's all in that book.
Looking back, I see we have been here before:
Irishalien, you are heading for a trainwreck. You need to do some heavy reading here.
We agreed no skype or phones, just a first meeting
and hope to marry her as quickly as possible.
These two statements alone are harbingers of doom.
Any veteran or married guy here will agree with me on this.
You are caught up in the excitement and perceived reality of it all. Without telephone contact you dont even know who you are writing to. You really need to slow down.
Can I ask your respective ages?
Can I also ask if you sent any money?
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Manny thanks for the advice. Yes I read the book, and no I am not paying lawyers until they talk to her on the phone. I am from a generation that likes romance and mystery. My computer is so old it does not have a camera, but my teenagers would help if/when we go to skype.
The concept of getting to know someone well through writing letters/emails, which I have now done twice with Ukrainian girls, is far preferable to the modern way. For example, I have the letters from my parents before World war 2 and they are a treasure.
After the two years away following my loss from the death of the first girl I met online, I wandered on the love me site. At my age I was inundated with standard letters, phishing, but only found 2 that were worth exploring. I have enjoyed repeating the process, without the deep connection I felt with the first girl, but that is okay too.
Finally, in the 11 months of writing she has never mentioned money. It was when I volunteered to fund the trip to Kiev that she felt it was too dangerous, and suggested the fixer, who travels freely and will get her a real passport. This is a smart young woman, who is as brave and courageous as I have met. Our many photo exchanges were tasteful, with many exchanged of her parents, brother, and the child, and my current children, but again my total investment in the one year relationship has been the $300 I paid the website over the first ten months.
I think, as happened in 2014 on your forum, I am getting a lot of "you are stupid" type comments, but buried in those this time were some good thoughts. I respect our state department warning, and no the lawyers did not suggest refugee status.
As I did last time, I think it is time to take what I have learned a see what happens next. As the only forum of your type, it has been helpful, thanks again
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My girl is from Lugansk and you can write me privately if you like. I do not believe everyone is a scam artist like some of the other members. Most likely meet her in Kharkov. There are many people from Donbas in Kharkov. I know a translator/guild in Kharkov that could help if you want. If you really like her you can plan other visits. Do not get worried about getting scam out of a hundred dollars or something. She could for real not have any money and need something. It will cost her very little to go to Kharkov but the trip can be hard and take more than a day depending on boarder conditions at the time of her crossing. The plane ticket to Kharkov for me is about a thousand dollars.
Important DO NOT GET MARRIED ANYTIME SOON!!!! Meet and get to know your girl well. VERY WELL!!! She maybe the greatest thing to happen in your life but she could be worse thing also and still not be a scam girl. Some of these girls great and other have bad emotional problems. You NEED to KNOW what you are getting into.
Probably the best advice in the thread because his GF is also from the Donbas.
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Thanks for all the warnings and life advice, but what part of three long term marriages to American women don't you understand? No, I have not lurked here for years, I found it in 2014 and after asking for thoughts was soundly warned by evidently some terribly depressed posters about the Kharkov girl, who later died from cancer at a young age.
I just found it again on an old email so used it a resource for travel ideas, and thoughts, since the internet is not useful.
Google searches and site searches for facial recognition and her picture and profile all were taken down when I decided to help her, she withdrew from the site as did I.
And sprog used to be a derogatory term for a child, but it says now positive.
It is an interesting forum but still too much member depression instead of optimism. Read "the man in the arena" teddy roosevelt and cheer up, and thanks (I guess) for the time. I smile a lot at life.
Whatever pal.
You can do two things from here. Listen to good advice or carry on regardless.
I’m neither depressed or trying to mock you but if you expect me to support this and slap you on the back, then you’ve joined the wrong group. If we really wanted to be nasty we would be encouraging you to carry on.
I’m just amazed that you appear to think your story is healthy. 3 failed marriages won’t help you one bit and this update only causes further concern regarding your mindset.
If you insist on doing this thing, just fly to her first and meet her in person before doing anything stupid. There’s no reason why you can’t right? Your legal fees to date alone would probably have covered trip 1.
Finally, have you asked yourself what kind of woman would marry a man she’s never met and export her and her child to this persons country she can neither communicate or work in? If you’re honest here it’ll help you big time.
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Finally, have you asked yourself what kind of woman would marry a man she’s never met
My mother never met my father before they were engaged (by their parents). The revolution broke the families apart, but they were able to join together in another country and start a new life. Then another revolution forced them to start a new life in another country (taking the children along with them). After over 60 years of marriage, I think they got used to each other, even with intermittent bumps in life.
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Irishalien,
Do you look your age or do you look 20 years younger? Do you feel your age or 15-20 years younger?
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This endeavor to find, marry, and have a long successful life together can be very difficult even under the best of circumstance. Starting out with the deck stacked against you before you get in the game is going to limit success.
From my observations so far you have already lost a year, and you now want to try shortcuts to catch up.
Had you gotten on a plane 8 or 9 months ago you would be firmly in charge of the process. Most likely this lady would be willing to do whatever necessary on her end if she was certain you were the one.
I highly doubt hiring fixers, attorneys, will make much difference.
One of the biggest mistakes is to think letter writing is romantic and that this romance is what these ladies are looking for.
These ladies want a real man of action, the they can count on.
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It would be interesting to hear her side of the story, if there is a her. I don’t think a normal woman would be willing to risk everything and move her life to the other side of the world, for a guy who’s not bothered to visit but hand writes letters every so often.
This just doesn’t add up.
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Gentlemen, thank you all for the thoughts, especially the encouraging ones! My only comment is for the "three failed marriages" chap. As a final attempt to explain how some of my generation looked at life, three wonderful women agreed to marry me, went through the joys of providing and raising our children (I have eight), and as we grew in life gently found better men to spend the rest of their lives with, to the delight of us all.
This forum confirmed that Lugansk is a scary place to visit, and since my motives (which evidently confuse you) are primarily to help a single mother and child escape a bizarre twilight semi-war zone and then enjoy our relationship for whatever time we have together is pretty simple. She is the one who demurred at my trip through Russia to meet her family; that is either concern for my safety or a scam, but again, I really don't care, as long as she is helped.
If she is real, she has also seen war, and like me not concerned about others' opinions of how we choose to live life.
I wish you all a good journey, we all know the end of our life story and we all can choose our path and attitude to that destination.
Again thank you for the thoughts from the helpful ones!
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It's your choice to do as you want, but seems you lack the experience in internet scamming to see what is going on.
There have been hundreds and thousands of men just like you that get sucked into these hardship stories.
These ladies are not as bad off as you think.
She has sent you many photos take a moment to look at her clothes and accessories, look at her surroundings, do they look depressed?
If you really want to help donate money to Ukrainian orphanages here is where you will find those that have little to nothing,
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Many posters come through the doors of RUA and share their story. They then go on to read the replies from people trying to give well intended advice but sadly many end up ignoring it, because they found it to be less than encouraging or not what they wanted to hear. Don't be that man.
I like your open minded positive outlook on life irishalien, it's a quality short in supply these days.....but I fear you'll end up hurt and poorer for this experience with a Ukrainian pen pal. Ignore me if you want but all I ask is that you listen to the others. I don't know you but I'm not a bloke who enjoys watching a car crash, recording it rather than doing something to stop it.
Good luck.
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Once again thanks for all the warnings and concern. This trip to the forum I confirmed the bizarre nature of where she lives, and my decisions on travel. I do want to correct one thing, she has never claimed hardship other than the usual single mom. She has a good job, a stay at home one using the internet, and tasteful clothes. I offered the bus fares to Kiev, she never asked, but the hazards of border crossing and long trip are unworkable with the child, hence the messenger.
Eventually I will learn the truth but I am not as emotionally invested as perhaps other victims, and not really concerned about the money (Her letters were cheaper than therapy!).
Also the orphanage donation person who posted I did not see a link to a Ukrainian Orphanage? And the poster who has a girl/wife from Lugansk, was that before the war? Thanks
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Back to the passport, from what I have been able to find your lady friend should be able to get a Ukrainian biometric passport. Cost $45 for a 7 day wait $35 for 20 days waiting. I before provided a link that would answer most questions.
The $500 fixer fee would equal about 2 months salary which would be just the start of the money flow.
This saying is so very true when it comes to Ukrainian women
NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!
I understand you have the best of intentions, but do be cautious.
September 1, 2017
Since 1 January Ukraine Introduces Biometric Border Control
https://lnrtopnews.com/2017/09/since-1-january-ukraine-introduces-biometric-border-control/
EU demands to issue biometric passports to Donbass, Crimea residents
https://dninews.com/article/eu-demands-issue-biometric-passports-donbass-crimea-residents
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Thanks again. This is an interesting site offering verification services and other information about Lugansk. Anyone familiar with it?
With all my research I found it because of so much skepticism here!
Thank you in advance if you know these people
http://www.luganskukraine.info/
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There are tons of refugees from Syria and northern Africa who probably are looking for someone to rescue them. War torn regions often produce residents looking for an escape route to a better life.
Note that the hardship stories are not solely on the women side. Many women have been duped by male profiles on dating sites pretending to be in the military needing financial assistance. So it goes both ways.
Regarding Ukrainian orphanages, here is one site that has information, but cannot verify its integrity.
http://www.lifesongfororphans.org/countries/ukraine/
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Once again thanks for all the warnings and concern. This trip to the forum I confirmed the bizarre nature of where she lives, and my decisions on travel. I do want to correct one thing, she has never claimed hardship other than the usual single mom. She has a good job, a stay at home one using the internet and tasteful clothes. I offered the bus fares to Kiev, she never asked, but the hazards of border crossing and long trip are unworkable with the child, hence the messenger.
Eventually I will learn the truth but I am not as emotionally invested as perhaps other victims, and not really concerned about the money (Her letters were cheaper than therapy!).
Also the orphanage donation person who posted I did not see a link to a Ukrainian Orphanage? And the poster who has a girl/wife from Lugansk, was that before the war? Thanks
I highlighted her job. Staying at home writing letters to lonely men is more than likely the job description.
A woman who was genuinely interested in marriage would be willing to travel to meet with you.
The “fixer” fee is the con, besides getting paid to write lonely guys. :coffeeread:
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Thanks for the orphanage link, it looks like something a man who celebrates children should be thinking about. I will use the Lugansk web guy to check it all out since his site has been around for a while, and he promises a discreet background check for $35, and he is in the city. And I have been too busy with work and 3 teenagers to be a "lonely guy", although the Steve Martin movie was hilarious.
Life is interesting..
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Thanks again. This is an interesting site offering verification services and other information about Lugansk. Anyone familiar with it?
With all my research I found it because of so much skepticism here!
Thank you in advance if you know these people
http://www.luganskukraine.info/
Alex has an account here he hasn't used in a while, send him a PM and ask him to come back maybe?
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=714
Here is his topic from 2008: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,444.msg74730.html#msg74730
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And don't forget that if you two have never met, you have no proof of helping her, and you have not asked her to marry you, and can provide proof of all of that, as well as sworn statements from friends and family, you will never get a K1 visa, and she will likely never get any kind of visa, especially if she owns nothing, has no job. People travel in and out of Lugansk all the time. Too dangerous is just an excuse. And if you go there, you can't return to Ukraine to fly home as it is not permitted, so you would have to get a visa to go to Russia, and leave from there(At least from what I had read)
"U.S. citizens who enter Ukraine through ATO territory along the Russian border will not be allowed to pass through government checkpoints to government of Ukraine-controlled territory.
Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) procedures at entry/exit points requires that permit applications be submitted and approved electronically prior to travel in the ATO zone. For a comprehensive list of the requirements for a permit to enter the ATO zone, please visit the official SBU website.."
As others have said, if she really cares, she would do whatever is needed to travel to see you. But it seems this discussion is just :dh:
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You wrote that a year is too long to be a scammer.
I have a friend who was down that road twice ... He would disagree with you.
Wayne
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You wrote that a year is too long to be a scammer.
I have a friend who was down that road twice ... He would disagree with you.
Wayne
A scammers and keyboard Romeo's, sounds like matches made in
heaven.
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I will use the Lugansk web guy to check it all out since his site has been around for a while, and he promises a discreet background check for $35, and he is in the city. And I have been too busy with work and 3 teenagers to be a "lonely guy", although the Steve Martin movie was hilarious.
Life is interesting..
You need to get on a plane and meet this girl, in person, face to face
immediately if not sooner.
Udachi!
Bill
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As others have said, if she really cares, she would do whatever is needed to travel to see you.
I recommend that the guy purchase tickets for himself to Dnepropetrovsk
then send her the itinerary. If she won't make the effort to meet him there
are a zillion unmarried girls in Dnepropetrovsk that he could meet instead.
A good girl will find a way, even if it requires zip lining over a live combat
engagement while wearing a miniskirt, high heels, and a flak jacket she
will be there. A good girl will find a way, a girl not worth the trouble will
make excuses.
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I wouldn't waste my time or effort travelling to that city even if the women was the hottest on the planet and had 6 luxury apartments , a Bentley or what ever. Stay away from women there like the plague!!
Im sure there are lots of genuine women there, but who needs the trouble in the scam capital of Ukraine...
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While other members have made good points it seems to me you will not listen to either common sense or intelligence. The comment about lack of international passport and a 'fixer' sounds like pure nonsense. Who is paying for this 'fix'?
Until you fly to Ukraine and meet her, perhaps in Kiev, you are wasting allot of time, ours and yours.
For what it is worth if she meets the proper criteria yes she can obtain a tourist visa to America. You have not fully indicated her personal situation.
Another member incquired does she control her child's passport, i.e.does she have sole custody?
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My better half’s cousin (which can mean anyone vaguely connected in Russia) Russian lived in Kiev got arrested for fighting against separatists in Donbas as is now in prison in Moscow. She’s a honey too!!
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As others have said, if she really cares, she would do whatever is needed to travel to see you.
I recommend that the guy purchase tickets for himself to Dnepropetrovsk
then send her the itinerary. If she won't make the effort to meet him there
are a zillion unmarried girls in Dnepropetrovsk that he could meet instead.
A good girl will find a way, even if it requires zip lining over a live combat
engagement while wearing a miniskirt, high heels, and a flak jacket she
will be there. A good girl will find a way, a girl not worth the trouble will
make excuses.
He said that writing to this girl and paying money to a fixer (obviously her real boyfriend) was ”cheaper than therapy”.
So that’s the real story. This guy can’t deal with reality so he’s created a fantasy world where a girl will leave a war zone (not too dangerous after all to travel out of there in the fantasy world) travel to America and marry an older man who she’s never met nor even spoken to! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Thanks for all your thoughts. Alex was extremely helpful per Manny's post, he lives in Lugansk and I am pleased to report that she's not Boris. I had not checked the board until today, I thought we were done until I had something to report or an outcome, whether it's good, bad, or amusing to you.
The lady in prison sounds like a terrible situation and I hope she gets some leniency if deserved.
We will be skyping soon, I am just trying to brush up on my college russian and figure out how the translator program works. My computer is my age, no camera, so I am waiting on my 15 year old boy to come home from boarding school next week and teach me some tricks.
I will try one more time on defense of the rather large barrage of comments about my stupidity: I have been married 40 happy years to 3 different women who are all remarried. I have three teenagers from the last one, and my oldest kids are 40, with 10 grand kids happily living good lives.
I am trying to get this woman and her child away from a bizarre and dangerous situation, that shows no sign other than bombings of monuments being cared about or of importance to anyone. Alex in Lugansk is extremely depressed about the situation as well.
I have met immigration lawyers, state department people, and others who will help, if in fact I can arrange it.
I did not choose this woman to talk to on appearance, she wrote the best letter out of the 8,000.
Is there no one here who has cheerfully met and married someone from this brave and hardworking part of the world?
Cheer up, especially the ones who come here to help, not the ones who chat about my naivete or motives.
Thanks for the help
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From what you have written, one could assume there is around a 30 year age difference, this in itself can make for a real evaluation of yourself.
Does she want to have anymore children?
Another question is are you in good health, and have you given thought to her future if something was to happen to you.
This is not something you enter into without giving much thought to various scenarios.
I myself married a wonderful Russian lady who was around 15 years younger than me, just a couple years later she suddenly passed away.
Should something happen would you be willing to raise her daughter as a single parent?
There are many more things you need to consider, just make sure you completely understand all that is involved.
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Sometime the women pull off a scam with out really meaning too. They come to another country mainly to get away from something more than the love a man. Then when they arrive and a couple of years go by then and there is really nothing in common. Then they want a divorced and the guy who was the "Great White Knight" find himself paying out a lot of money taking care of her for the next ten years and paying to raise the child while she finds someone more her age with whom she has more in common. This happens a very lot.
Please be aware because the success rate of marriages where the guy had spend little time with the girl has nearly a zero. Spend time with your girl and know her well before getting married.
It is not all good when you arrive in the USA as it usually causes her a lot of stress learning to live in the new culture. This stress often makes it hard to work out the normal relationship problems that you should of work out before she ever got here.
Many of these relationships do not last 6 months and he stills ends up with a big bill and having to support her for the ten years. It is very serious to bring a girl into the USA and she will also know there is no sending her back if it does not work. There is only you pay. The only choice she will have to make does she enjoy living with you or would she rather just live with your money. You should not bring her here until you are feeling safe with her having that kind of power over you.
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Sometime the women pull off a scam with out really meaning too. They come to another country mainly to get away from something more than the love a man. Then when they arrive and a couple of years go by then and there is really nothing in common. Then they want a divorced and the guy who was the "Great White Knight" find himself paying out a lot of money taking care of her for the next ten years and paying to raise the child while she finds someone more her age with whom she has more in common. This happens a very lot.
Please be aware because the success rate of marriages where the guy had spend little time with the girl has nearly a zero. Spend time with your girl and know her well before getting married.
It is not all good when you arrive in the USA as it usually causes her a lot of stress learning to live in the new culture. This stress often makes it hard to work out the normal relationship problems that you should of work out before she ever got here.
Many of these relationships do not last 6 months and he stills ends up with a big bill and having to support her for the ten years. It is very serious to bring a girl into the USA and she will also know there is no sending her back if it does not work. There is only you pay. The only choice she will have to make does she enjoy living with you or would she rather just live with your money. You should not bring her here until you are feeling safe with her having that kind of power over you.
Unless he goes there and actually meets her and establishes a real relationship she will NEVER get a visa. Our state department people are not fools and will put a stop to this nonsense.
I suspect the Russian lawyers in the USA will be more than happy to take his money.
I don’t recall ever reading a story on this forum w/ a greater disconnect.
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I think I remember reading that there is some type of hardship clause that would allow a person to submit the K1 visa paperwork without meeting in person. It's possible this might have changed with the introduction of IMBRA.
I don't advise rushing into the unknown, but there are ways to do what you want,
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WAIVER OF THE K-1 VISA TWO-YEAR MEETING REQUIREMENT
http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/
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WAIVER OF THE K-1 VISA TWO-YEAR MEETING REQUIREMENT
http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/
I highly doubt it would be granted because he could easily travel to Kharkov and she could meet him there despite her whining.
:dh:
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WAIVER OF THE K-1 VISA TWO-YEAR MEETING REQUIREMENT
http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/
I highly doubt it would be granted because he could easily travel to Kharkov and she could meet him there despite her whining.
:dh:
With the evil Russian mentality playing out daily here in the United states, I wouldn't rule it out.
The right immigration attorney could probably get it done.
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WAIVER OF THE K-1 VISA TWO-YEAR MEETING REQUIREMENT
http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/
I highly doubt it would be granted because he could easily travel to Kharkov and she could meet him there despite her whining.
:dh:
With the evil Russian mentality playing out daily here in the United states, I wouldn't rule it out.
The right immigration attorney could probably get it done.
No chance.
"So Mr Irishalien. You haven't met, you haven't skyped, you've only seen photo's of her and you've been sending her money.......and you're trying to tell me she's your wife?". :'(
Can you marry someone without actually meeting them in the US?
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WAIVER OF THE K-1 VISA TWO-YEAR MEETING REQUIREMENT
http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/
I highly doubt it would be granted because he could easily travel to Kharkov and she could meet him there despite her whining.
:dh:
With the evil Russian mentality playing out daily here in the United states, I wouldn't rule it out.
The right immigration attorney could probably get it done.
No chance.
"So Mr Irishalien. You haven't met, you haven't skyped, you've only seen photo's of her and you've been sending her money.......and you're trying to tell me she's your wife?". :'(
Can you marry someone without actually meeting them in the US?
Yes hundreds of guys do this every year!! Its like a status symbol when they are about in their home town to show some photos to everyone of their wife in Ukraine... :ROFL:
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He is only interested in getting married. Then she will still have to cross the border and it will not be any different than now. So she can cross the boarder after he gets married to her but not before. Somewhere in all of this there must be something that seem logical to an FSU woman but I sure do not see it. It sounds like a type of logic my girl would come up with if it was something she did not want to do.
Well, maybe afterward she will stay in Lugansk for the rest of her life because she is afraid to cross the boarder. That way he can send money and care for nice family and she does not have to bother to cook and care for a man. Then maybe she could cross the board into Russia? he could meet her there. No one talks about that because she would not have an excuse because it is completely not dangerous. My understanding is that no visa requires for them to go to Russia.
It sounds like to me that she does not really want to meet him very much.
One of my earlier dates was with a girl that was really cute. In real life she was as cute as the pictures. The letters seemed so nice. But when I finally met her she smoked and drank a lot. She had some type of emotional problem that her behavior was really strange. I could tell in the first minute I saw her. I continued to pay for diner and bought her drinks for reason of being nice but thinking back on it, it was stupid. I should left the in the first minutes I saw her.
Another I met and what appears to me to be excessive and impulsive disorder. She had many signs of it but she was really cute and spoke English nearly as well as I do. Once again the letters sounded great but after a day and a half I could not get away from her fast enough.
I am not trying to say anything negative about his girl but he will never know what he has until he meets her in person. Then after that it take a long time to work out a relationship. It is hard to appreciate the cultural until you have spend some serious time with at least one of these girls.
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If the intention is to help this young lady and her daughter then why bring them to the United states to do this? Help her relocate to western Ukraine. Then you can visit with ease, she will not need to cross the border expect the one time.
She can study English during this time and be better prepared for the future.
For those that might not understand, the K1 visa is a 90 day nonimmigration visa. This type allows for marriage within the 90 days.of entering the United states.
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If the intention is to help this young lady and her daughter then why bring them to the United states to do this? Help her relocate to western Ukraine. Then you can visit with ease, she will not need to cross the border expect the one time.
She can study English during this time and be better prepared for the future.
For those that might not understand, the K1 visa is a 90 day nonimmigration visa. This type allows for marriage within the 90 days.of entering the United states.
90 day fiancée is the best thing on US Telly! Mohammed and Danielle was the best train crash ever!
Its like our Fiancée visa in UK, except ours is for 183 days
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Tom cat thanks for the link. These occasional nuggets of information make the flaming here almost worth while.
The hardship visa approach is one of several of the ways the attorneys advise may work, and we would then have three months of courtship. And yes, the tv show is hilarious.
I really appreciate the link, as an accountant I am never comfortable with the legal profession, although I think I have a good team.
They also feel that the year's worth of letters, and possible recordings of skype and other communication will be helpful, but if the journey is the safest paperwork route, I may decide to do it later through Rostov after my final business project. The State department travel warning is also a factor.
By the way, my brother married our Russian nanny 12 years ago, succeeded in her three year journey to her citizenship with him, and they amicably divorced after about five and remain good friends to this day.
Finally there seems to be an inordinate concern here for preserving and dealing with money, and I assume not feeling stupid, so I take it everyone has been scammed?
And the advice about responsibility for the child is well taken, I am sorry for your loss. If I was afraid of financial responsibility I would not have helped create and raise the first eight of them, and I am well aware that people change as do their goals, and the more natural progression may be her finding someone closer to her age after a time, as is true with many May/December marriages, including my dying before her in the natural course.
I don't agree that long dating is any guarantee of the marriage continuing, as I well know. And no, I don't show her pictures to friends, I left that mentality in Southeast Asia.
As long as some of you are still trying to help I will check back after Skype sessions soon, some of you have given me enough nuggets and food for thought to have made this site useful (which was what I hoped), even after wading through the sad and cynical posts.
And Ste, western Ukraine relocation is both a language and financial problem, and her friends and family in Lugansk are helpful in raising her daughter. Getting them here, if it works will hopefully be the best.
On to skype and the russian language and translators!
Again thank you.
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Your plan to skype with her is definitely a step in the right direction. :thumbsup:
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I would not be concerned if it was a scam,
:eeekk:
Tom put it well three years ago to this bloke:
I don't think that you are catching our drift: this entire situation is screwed up, not just a few details.
1) Getting involved with a girl who is less than half of your age is lunacy, even if she were willing... because the girl would have to be crazy, stupid, have an agenda or be grotesquely compromised.
2) Most of the married guys have made several visits within six months from first contact and spent all of their time on Skype in between trips. (The marriages that predated Skype don't count.)
3) It is strange, to the point of being creepy, for prospective spouses not to want to hear each other's voices. Even if it were not, without spoken communication, it isn't possible to establish each other's active vocabulary.
Nothing has changed (apart from the 'woman'). He still hasn't learned Russian or got on a plane. This folks, is a Keyboard Romeo.
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Thanks for the compliment (keyboard Romeo!), and to the helpful ones I want to say I appreciate the links and information on what was to be a simple gathering of data about a difficult area of the world from people who might know and help. I think it is time to leave this board, I don't understand thousands of posts from people to each other (that is a bit creepy to me) but I use the internet as a resource and it has been kind.
Good luck to you all.
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Thanks for the compliment (keyboard Romeo!), and to the helpful ones I want to say I appreciate the links and information on what was to be a simple gathering of data about a difficult area of the world from people who might know and help. I think it is time to leave this board, I don't understand thousands of posts from people to each other (that is a bit creepy to me) but I use the internet as a resource and it has been kind.
Good luck to you all.
Many gents in the UK have met each other and have a camaraderie as they’ve been married to women from the FSU for many years.
I find it far more creepy that a man wants to take advantage of a young girl half his age from a war zone who he’s never met.
You’re not finding any camaraderie because you believe that honest replies to your strange behavior is “flaming”.
Texan has a GF from the Donbas and offered you excellent advice. Did you PM him?
You think the guys were hard on you wait until the young lady gets ahold of you. IF you manage to import your mail order fantasy don’t be surprised when she “changes”.
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I am very glade you two are getting on Skype as that is a first step to something where you are getting more than e mail.
The reason you are getting so may negative replies we have all heard so many stories of couples trying to short circuit the dating process and end up someplace they never wanted to be. You have all these road blocks to having a more contact courtship without really putting any effort into solving any of these problems. On my end she seem to be doing the same thing. The longer term dating may not guarantee success but the short circuit method comes very close to guaranteeing a failure.
I so hope you will Skype with her a number of times then take a trip and meet her in her country. Hopefully you will see the need for more trips and the need to build your relationship.
This is much different than what your brother did. My understanding he married a woman already in the USA who had already done some adjusting to the new cultural, language and environment. He most likely met and dated the girl for a while. Then note after all the positive stuff your wrote the marriage did not last long. Your outcome is likely to fall short of what your brother's outcome was. It might be able to have a better outcome if you would put the needed visits and relationship building into your marriage first.
I paid for schooling for my girl and for her son to learn English. It was a huge help. I was completely amazed at how much she learned in just six months. She was very excited about our relationship and studied all day every day. She earned a lot of my respect with this effort.
Good luck and no matter what you decide. I hope you and yours happiness. I am happy to see anybody get out of LPR and strive for a better life.
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I would not be concerned if it was a scam,
:eeekk:
Tom put it well three years ago to this bloke:
I don't think that you are catching our drift: this entire situation is screwed up, not just a few details.
1) Getting involved with a girl who is less than half of your age is lunacy, even if she were willing... because the girl would have to be crazy, stupid, have an agenda or be grotesquely compromised.
2) Most of the married guys have made several visits within six months from first contact and spent all of their time on Skype in between trips. (The marriages that predated Skype don't count.)
3) It is strange, to the point of being creepy, for prospective spouses not to want to hear each other's voices. Even if it were not, without spoken communication, it isn't possible to establish each other's active vocabulary.
Nothing has changed (apart from the 'woman'). He still hasn't learned Russian or got on a plane. This folks, is a Keyboard Romeo.
Tom seemed to have nailed it - over 3 years ago!! Some folks just wont listen. :'(
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Texan77, and Tom Cat, much good advice and thanks for all your thoughts. You are right about my brother, who always hoped for more than friendship in his marriage, but he knew that was pretty much all he was going to get and that made them both winners in their goals.
I now have Alex in Lugansk as an informed resource, and just his simple finding of her social media page has been great. He is specific about what to expect next if pro scam (e.g. cash for the bank account to get visa) and number of border crossings, etc., but he shares my gentle hope that we can help her to a better life.
After whatever happens next, I will return to this site and try to learn how to "pm" which I assume is private message (yes, I am that bad at the internet!) and give you an update.
And I apologize to all about the flaming comment, i am very defensive of her courage and commitment to getting her daughter a better life.
Goodbye
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If your serious intent is to enable her to get 'a better life' then you are going to end up worse off and more lonely than you are now. That's not a good reason why people get married. That's a good reason why people donate money to helpful charities.
You won't get a lifetime of gratitude for such silly behaviour, you will simply be used as the mule that you are making of yourself and her new boyfriend/lover/whatever will replace you at the earliest sensible opportunity.
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If your serious intent is to enable her to get 'a better life' then you are going to end up worse off and more lonely than you are now. That's not a good reason why people get married. That's a good reason why people donate money to helpful charities.
You won't get a lifetime of gratitude for such silly behaviour, you will simply be used as the mule that you are making of yourself and her new boyfriend/lover/whatever will replace you at the earliest sensible opportunity.
He appears to be a fairly decent kind of bloke but I'm stunned at how blasé he is with fact and reality. I fear the penny wont drop with this one, even after all of his.....has.
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I am sure that he is an OK bloke, but what he is doing is simply foolish.
Even Texan77 is more sensible, he simply sponsors his woman, doesn't ask too many questions, and does not visit more than she is willing to put up with.
This bloke is investing himself and that simply won't work out well.
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Irish Alien,
Curious you mention your brother married the Russian au pair (nanny) and than was divorced five years latter. Was there a substantial age difference between your your brother and his ex-wife?
Along the curious line, have you been married before or in a long term relationship?
Sorry if you have answered these questions before, but I do not recall seeing this information.
Av
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Avhdb.
My brother knew he was just helping her, he was and is a long term bachelor. I mentioned it only because of the three year brutal immigration process they went through to get her green card, very arduous but they were good friends throughout.
I am not sure why you ask, but I have been happily married three times, for 16 years, 10 years and 17; all three are well remarried to better suited men for them, we remain friends, and co-parent eight children whose ages are from 13 to 40.
My thread from three years ago was seeking advice about another Ukrainian girl from Kharkov who was also wonderful to correspond with and taught me a lot. She died of cancer two years ago at a young age, and that is part of my motivation for wanting to help this one.
I think it is time to end my public posting, I will learn the private messaging system and stop the general discussions. My confusion on the board is that I was seeking information about a troubled area of the world, and instead I get lots of advice about relationships (past and possible) that are somewhat sad.
Again, the major resource to come out of this is Alex and his website in Lugansk, and through him I have learned what I wanted to know.
Again, thanks to all who helped, and I hope you enjoy your journey as I do mine
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If your serious intent is to enable her to get 'a better life' then you are going to end up worse off and more lonely than you are now. That's not a good reason why people get married. That's a good reason why people donate money to helpful charities.
+100
If you want to help a needy girl then go help her but keep romance
out of it.
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How the Hell do you think you would get
East Ukraine no airport no buses
I was there in 2004 and while it had liveable
society there are so many Russians living
there they quickly spot foreigners.
Go to nikoleav or Kiev more classy and cultured girls
Michael
Sydney australia
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How would you get there ?
Either crossing from Ukraine - though you'd have some explaining to do, before you could - or from the Russian side...
Someone resident in the 'area of Ukraine not currently under control of Kiev' can invite ...
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Go to nikoleav or Kiev more classy and cultured girls
For the lurkers, I would not bother with Nikolayev for women. In Ukraine it is the epicenter of pay per letter web sites.
For some this is a number and percentage endeavor.
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How would you get there ?
Either crossing from Ukraine - though you'd have some explaining to do, before you could - or from the Russian side...
Someone resident in the 'area of Ukraine not currently under control of Kiev' can invite ...
Why don’t you take a tour of Donbas and write trip report for us?
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Why don’t you take a tour of Donbas and write trip report for us?
Confederate, Are you having a bad day?
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Im in Cole Harbour but originally from Antigonish. Make sure you get over to The Townhouse...great beers on tap
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Im in Cole Harbour but originally from Antigonish. Make sure you get over to The Townhouse...great beers on tap
Are you based in Greece or you wife is Greek?
May I ask which part of Greece?
I was born in Greece but now Live in UK.
Welcome to the Board. :)
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Did you communicate with this person personally? Have you seen her?" All your communication is in correspondence?
You need to be careful. There are a lot of scammers now. Check all the information first. And then take action.