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Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine, Belarus & FSU => Dating in the FSU and Other Countries => Topic started by: justadude on July 01, 2017, 06:44:33 AM
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I have been to Ukraine twice before. I got into a relationship (engagement, in fact) with a woman whom I saw on those two trips. Things didn't work out for us. You can read about it elsewhere on this forum if interested.
I am now 10 days into a 7 week stay. On this trip I resolved not to jump hastily into a relationship, but am hoping to date while I'm here. Things aren't going as well as I had hoped. I have been on 5 or 6 dates so far. In each of those cases, either one or both of us didn't want to go on a second. Two of the women I met in person on the street and we had a "right now" date. The others I met online.
I have gotten about 10 phone numbers of women I've met just being out and about. And another 15-20 from women I've met online, including some I met online before my trip. I have been working a little while here, which has helped me to meet people. In fact, one of the bosses I work for is a cool dude who welcomed me to his VIP table at a club where I ran into him. I am going to try to make only "I" and "me" statements, because I don't wish to suggest that anyone else would have the same experiences as me. Here are some of my observations.
1. Women in Ukraine are just as likely to flake on me as they are in the suburban area of the state I live in back home.
2. The average Ukrainian woman is considerably more attractive than the average woman back home.
3. Women are willing to accept a greater age gap and greater attractiveness gap here than back home. How much of a difference? Maybe 25%?
4. Significantly larger numbers of attractive women make it into their 30's without marrying or reproducing here than back home.
5. The average woman puts much more effort into her appearance than back home.
6. Women here are generally quite a bit thinner than their back home counterparts.
7. There are women here who are not HWP (height weight proportional), but not as many as back home. See item 6.
8. Women I have met online here are just as likely to be misleading about their pictures as women back home.
9. My confidence is a huge factor in my ability to meet women. The last few days my confidence has waned.
10. Asking the question "Do you speak English" is a decent conversation starter 40% of the time. If a woman says "nyet", I have no chance, if she says "no", it's still probably not worth the effort, if she says "so-so", there is some chance I'll get a number, if she says "a little", that will usually be accompanied by a shy smile and I'll probably get a number.
11. I think so far getting a phone number has led to an actual date 0% of the time. I still have a couple of leads. I suspect the actual percentage might be closer to 10, maybe about the same as back home.
12. Women here universally expect me to pay the bill on a first date. Back home, this probably is true 1/3 of the time.
13. Every few days I resolve never to try to meet anyone online again. Then I change my mind and search that way again.
14. As with back home, having a wing man is a huge boost to my confidence and chances. However, wing men are hard to find. I have hung out with a co-worker a couple times. Really cool guy and somewhat like-minded about women, but more relaxed about it.
15. I should relax more about it and not try so hard. I try too hard back home as well, and it is often self-defeating. I have not been completely unsuccessful back home, however. I was married to, and reproduced with, a very cute and smart girl, and have dated and been in relationships with other quality women. I hope I don't sound too conceited, because I feel more like a failure than a success at the moment. I know I have potential, but I don't always feel that way.
16. The public transportation system here isn't too confusing anymore since I learned a little bit about it how it works. It's often faster for me to use it than to use Uber.
17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
18. Some restaurants won't serve me a meal even when they are open. I suspect it is too close to closing time, or maybe they won't seat an individual because they want to save their tables for parties bigger than one. If I spoke Russian I think I would know the answer to this quandary.
19. A paradox is that the younger women I meet generally speak better English. Older women, early to mid 30's, who are more realistically in my age range, don't speak English as well. I suspect this is because it has been longer since they were in school, and also because learning English is becoming more of a pursuit as time goes on.
20. I think there are some secrets to succeeding at this that I don't know. I hope to find out.
That's all I can think of for now. Open to constructive criticism.
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17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
That has happened to me twice living in the Republic of Georgia. Now I look for the Russian word for milk or the English word milk. The other stuff I think is buttermilk and has a sour taste to it. It also tastes terrible in coffee.
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17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
That has happened to me twice living in the Republic of Georgia. Now I look for the Russian word for milk or the English word milk. The other stuff I think is buttermilk and has a sour taste to it. It also tastes terrible in coffee.
Moloko (молоко) is milk in Russian. Although, Ukrainian is often on items in the store.
Kefir (кефир) is like a fermented drink.
And there is butter milk.
Below is a photo of Kefir in the foreground and milk in the back. Also, the have percentages. And all milks taste different.
And I get spoiled milk more often in Ukraine.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://russia-travel-guide.com/cuisine/images/russia-cuisine-kefir-3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://russia-travel-guide.com/cuisine/kefir.php&h=800&w=863&tbnid=y2uAfX7sSVV9rM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=172&usg=__4MrTfoZ6meNTeNYtXDWC0rV2dYI=&vet=1&docid=duQeyDgVZ2M2WM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk2_HvrenUAhVk5IMKHcm2B0kQ9QEIKDAA (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://russia-travel-guide.com/cuisine/images/russia-cuisine-kefir-3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://russia-travel-guide.com/cuisine/kefir.php&h=800&w=863&tbnid=y2uAfX7sSVV9rM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=172&usg=__4MrTfoZ6meNTeNYtXDWC0rV2dYI=&vet=1&docid=duQeyDgVZ2M2WM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk2_HvrenUAhVk5IMKHcm2B0kQ9QEIKDAA)
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1. Women in Ukraine are just as likely to flake on me as they are in the suburban area of the state I live in back home.
2. The average Ukrainian woman is considerably more attractive than the average woman back home.
3. Women are willing to accept a greater age gap and greater attractiveness gap here than back home. How much of a difference? Maybe 25%?
4. Significantly larger numbers of attractive women make it into their 30's without marrying or reproducing here than back home.
5. The average woman puts much more effort into her appearance than back home.
6. Women here are generally quite a bit thinner than their back home counterparts.
7. There are women here who are not HWP (height weight proportional), but not as many as back home. See item 6.
8. Women I have met online here are just as likely to be misleading about their pictures as women back home.
9. My confidence is a huge factor in my ability to meet women. The last few days my confidence has waned.
10. Asking the question "Do you speak English" is a decent conversation starter 40% of the time. If a woman says "nyet", I have no chance, if she says "no", it's still probably not worth the effort, if she says "so-so", there is some chance I'll get a number, if she says "a little", that will usually be accompanied by a shy smile and I'll probably get a number.
11. I think so far getting a phone number has led to an actual date 0% of the time. I still have a couple of leads. I suspect the actual percentage might be closer to 10, maybe about the same as back home.
12. Women here universally expect me to pay the bill on a first date. Back home, this probably is true 1/3 of the time.
13. Every few days I resolve never to try to meet anyone online again. Then I change my mind and search that way again.
14. As with back home, having a wing man is a huge boost to my confidence and chances. However, wing men are hard to find. I have hung out with a co-worker a couple times. Really cool guy and somewhat like-minded about women, but more relaxed about it.
15. I should relax more about it and not try so hard. I try too hard back home as well, and it is often self-defeating. I have not been completely unsuccessful back home, however. I was married to, and reproduced with, a very cute and smart girl, and have dated and been in relationships with other quality women. I hope I don't sound too conceited, because I feel more like a failure than a success at the moment. I know I have potential, but I don't always feel that way.
16. The public transportation system here isn't too confusing anymore since I learned a little bit about it how it works. It's often faster for me to use it than to use Uber.
17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
18. Some restaurants won't serve me a meal even when they are open. I suspect it is too close to closing time, or maybe they won't seat an individual because they want to save their tables for parties bigger than one. If I spoke Russian I think I would know the answer to this quandary.
19. A paradox is that the younger women I meet generally speak better English. Older women, early to mid 30's, who are more realistically in my age range, don't speak English as well. I suspect this is because it has been longer since they were in school, and also because learning English is becoming more of a pursuit as time goes on.
20. I think there are some secrets to succeeding at this that I don't know. I hope to find out.
That's all I can think of for now. Open to constructive criticism.
1: Not sure about that. Many of the women I have gone out with have been flaky, but I am an old ugly dude.
2: Really?
3: Pretty much.
4: Not sure. There are a LOT of kids where I live.
5: Really?
6: Really?
7: HWP?
8: Yes, on-line dating is a bad thing.
9: Confidence is mostly everything (NOTE - *)
10: "Do you speak English" I guess that is a start.
11: Confidence?
12: Many of them have never been to a real restaurant outside of a major celebration, graduation.
13: Smart
14: You need a helper. A mutual friend, not a wingman.
15: Confidence?
16: Buses are great.
17: see previous post.
18: I have never experienced that, unless they were closed.
19: Younger women were taught English in school, 30'sish were in the in between, and older were taught a LOT of Russian.
20: Confidence?
NOTE: You are trying too hard. You are going for the kill, and the girls are still trying to figure you out. IMHO.
Which city are you in? A LOT to do with local culture.
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Which city are you in?
el_guero, I sent you a couple PM's a few weeks ago because it looked like our visits might overlap. Did you get them?
dude
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If you are staying in Ukraine for a while then you will need a network.
This is sales again.
A sales person will tell you that the best prospects are almost always refers from previous clients or from other prospects where a sale was not made. That's because the referral is already qualified as being a good match for your product and trust is already established.
Same, same with dating. Don't reject women who are interested in you but you are not interested in them. Recruit them into your network. These women will enhance your social life and introduce you to women in whom you are interested.
Women are much better members of your network than men are. Men are your competitors and they will use you to further their goals. Women have different goals and those goals are largely compatible with yours. Don't forget, not every meeting with a woman is a date.
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17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
That has happened to me twice living in the Republic of Georgia. Now I look for the Russian word for milk or the English word milk. The other stuff I think is buttermilk and has a sour taste to it. It also tastes terrible in coffee.
Kefir (кефир) is like a fermented drink.
I hate that stuff. Remember that TV series in the 80s - 90s about Aliens who would get drunk on sour milk?
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17. There are multiple liquids that look like milk at the grocery store but turn out to be something thick and disappointing when I try to pour them on my cornflakes.
That has happened to me twice living in the Republic of Georgia. Now I look for the Russian word for milk or the English word milk. The other stuff I think is buttermilk and has a sour taste to it. It also tastes terrible in coffee.
Kefir (кефир) is like a fermented drink.
I hate that stuff. Remember that TV series in the 80s - 90s about Aliens who would get drunk on sour milk?
For as long as I can remember, my wife has tried to get me to eat that stuff. I still tell her "no" :sick0012:
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Try it, give it a chance. She puts up with much worse from you.
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If you are staying in Ukraine for a while then you will need a network.
This is sales again.
A sales person will tell you that the best prospects are almost always refers from previous clients or from other prospects where a sale was not made. That's because the referral is already qualified as being a good match for your product and trust is already established.
Same, same with dating. Don't reject women who are interested in you but you are not interested in them. Recruit them into your network. These women will enhance your social life and introduce you to women in whom you are interested.
Women are much better members of your network than men are. Men are your competitors and they will use you to further their goals. Women have different goals and those goals are largely compatible with yours. Don't forget, not every meeting with a woman is a date.
This sounds like excellent advice. I appreciate it and will try it.
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Just a dude.
We will overlap.
Kiev? Kiev? Women there are sexually harassed by local men. Watch their body language as they wait for buses.
Odessa? Around Derivasivskay St., it is similar.
Get away from foreigners. Nobody, except prostitutes and their handlers, like too many foreigners.
:)
Wayne
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I doubt there are too many of you waiting for updates, but I had a better day today. My next door neighbor, a cute 31yo brunette, had left a note on my door a few days ago. We had lunch today. Very fun.
Then I had coffee this evening with a girl I met on line. She was really attractive. I think I was a little bit intimidated by her good looks so I wasn't at my best as a conversationalist.
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I doubt there are too many of you waiting for updates, but I had a better day today. My next door neighbor, a cute 31yo brunette, had left a note on my door a few days ago. We had lunch today. Very fun.
Then I had coffee this evening with a girl I met on line. She was really attractive. I think I was a little bit intimidated by her good looks so I wasn't at my best as a conversationalist.
Don't let looks overload you in Ukraine. Took me 10 weeks to get past the progesterone and estrogen overload myself.
Keep up the good work.
Wayne
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I doubt there are too many of you waiting for updates, but I had a better day today. My next door neighbor, a cute 31yo brunette, had left a note on my door a few days ago. We had lunch today. Very fun.
Then I had coffee this evening with a girl I met on line. She was really attractive. I think I was a little bit intimidated by her good looks so I wasn't at my best as a conversationalist.
It's even happened to me. My response?
"Wow, you are so beautiful that I totally forgot what I was saying!"
"That must happen to you all the time!"
She will say something like not at all, or that there are so many beautiful
girls in Ukraine etc, to which I say
"There must be something in the water that makes all the men in Kiev
blind, first they ignore you, and have you seen them drive?"
THEN ask her about what she does for fun,
or
Here is one of my all time special never before revealed secret questions
to ask a girl.
"What is the prettiest view/place in Kiev? " (except for the one at this table)
"Will you show you me this place?"
What is her favorite place on the river, the mountains, etc.?
Of course you would love to see these places too. Lead her down the path
to meeting again and always moving forward in the relationship. She is
proud of the beautiful places in her country and city and obviously she
likes these places, because she just told you that they are her favorite.
The hottest girls have to date somebody there is no reason that this
somebody shouldn't be you.
That's all for today Grasshopper.
UspEhov!
(have success)
Popka!
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It's even happened to me. My response?
"Wow, you are so beautiful that I totally forgot what I was saying!"
"That must happen to you all the time!"
She will say something like not at all, or that there are so many beautiful
girls in Ukraine etc, to which I say
"There must be something in the water that makes all the men in Kiev
blind, first they ignore you, and have you seen them drive?"
THEN ask her about what she does for fun,
or
Here is one of my all time special never before revealed secret questions
to ask a girl.
"What is the prettiest view/place in Kiev? " (except for the one at this table)
"Will you show you me this place?"
What is her favorite place on the river, the mountains, etc.?
Of course you would love to see these places too. Lead her down the path
to meeting again and always moving forward in the relationship. She is
proud of the beautiful places in her country and city and obviously she
likes these places, because she just told you that they are her favorite.
The hottest girls have to date somebody there is no reason that this
somebody shouldn't be you.
That's all for today Grasshopper.
UspEhov!
(have success)
Popka!
I'm going to use those next time! Do I have to pay you royalties?
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It's even happened to me. My response?
"Wow, you are so beautiful that I totally forgot what I was saying!"
"That must happen to you all the time!"
She will say something like not at all, or that there are so many beautiful
girls in Ukraine etc, to which I say
"There must be something in the water that makes all the men in Kiev
blind, first they ignore you, and have you seen them drive?"
THEN ask her about what she does for fun,
or
Here is one of my all time special never before revealed secret questions
to ask a girl.
"What is the prettiest view/place in Kiev? " (except for the one at this table)
"Will you show you me this place?"
What is her favorite place on the river, the mountains, etc.?
Of course you would love to see these places too. Lead her down the path
to meeting again and always moving forward in the relationship. She is
proud of the beautiful places in her country and city and obviously she
likes these places, because she just told you that they are her favorite.
The hottest girls have to date somebody there is no reason that this
somebody shouldn't be you.
That's all for today Grasshopper.
UspEhov!
(have success)
Popka!
I'm going to use those next time! Do I have to pay you royalties?
Another of Popka's pick up lines is, "If I told you that you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?" :chuckle: :chuckle:
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That's all for today Grasshopper.
Well, you also better include some martial arts training along with the advice. It can come in handy when dealing with the FSU men. :chuckle:
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I'm going to use those next time! Do I have to pay you royalties?
Nope, they are your to use.
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There is a TR from a Dutch guy called Chris, it is well worth a study to see what works and does not work. Consider Chris is/was handsome and laid back.
I would say go with the flow build up a network of local friends. Avoid the so-called expat circle and hang outs as often the women there are looking for something but it might not be a relationship.
As for milk products there are two items one is 'Kefir' and the other 'Smetana' they are like nasty yogurt and toxic cottage cheese. I would note milk has a shorter shelf life than in North America and goes from 1.5 to 3.8 fat content. Some off the shelf milk is not homogenized but most is pasteurized.
NB: Not to confuse anyone there are multiple Chris members this is the trip report that I noted < http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,13916.0.html > The Dutch Chris I understand is alive and well but does not want to have anything more to do with RUA.
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Thanks for all the helpful advice. I did join a couple of online ex-pat communities, attend an ex-pat event and go to an ex-pat bar. I would say the average woman encountered in those activities is not the most attractive in Kiev. I went that route mainly to make some male friends. I did meet a few guys. I am getting together with a few guys in an hour at a non ex-pat pub. My confidence goes way up when I am not by myself.
I did meet one extremely sweet and pretty girl on an online ex-pat community. We went for a 5 hour date that went really well at the beginning but the excitement waned as the evening wore on. I proposed we meet again but she is not interested.
I went on a 2nd date yesterday with a girl I met on the bus. I think I will see her again later today. Very cute girl in her mid 20's. Good job. Hard worker. Not the greatest smile though, although it's superficial of me to say. Then again, I'm superficial!
I have been teaching English while I am here. I am working for 5 different schools. I am scheduled to work about 25 hours next week. It is really fun and has given me something to do. The money is virtually nothing, haha. About 70% of the students are female. Perhaps 20% of that 70 are quite attractive. However, I have been an educator for a long time and believe I know what is appropriate behavior. I wouldn't pursue a woman who was a student. This has also been a way to make connections. I have hung out a few times with another male teacher.
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Not sure why you feel the need to have others around to have confidence?
Believe in yourself, don't use others as a crutch.
FSUW, have a keen ability to read your personality, if you're confident while around others then different when just with her, surely will be a deal breaker.
7 weeks will pass quickly, dating a lady more than once, if you can't picture her as the one, is wasted time.
Best of luck, and enjoy Yourself.
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Not sure why you feel the need to have others around to have confidence?
I have some theories about why I am the way I am, but I'm sure they don't make riveting forum fodder.
Things seem to be going a bit better now. Last night was the first night of the visit where another mammal shared my apartment. As was previously alluded, networking has been helpful. I have met quite a few people through teaching English. I get a lot of positive feedback, which is nice, especially when other things aren't going as hoped.
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Not sure why you feel the need to have others around to have confidence?
Last night was the first night of the visit where another mammal shared my apartment. . . . I get a lot of positive feedback, which is nice, especially when other things aren't going as hoped.
Curious about mammal, did it have fleas? did it bite or scratch? were you able to plug in or at least pet it?
Please tell more.
As for feedback the trick is tell the BS from what is real.
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I rolled into Kharkov on Wednesday. I had a date that evening with a girl I had met a few days before on tinder. We went for a walk, which was quite pleasant. The next night I found a really cool ex-pat place, School Pub. They serve you drinks while you learn English, the theory being that you learn better when your inhibitions are lowered a little. This was explained to me by an Irish partner in the venture, haha. The next night, Friday, I took the same girl to School Pub for live jazz.
Then yesterday, two days later, Sunday, we went to a zoo outside of town. We spent the last 30 hours together. I dropped her off at work a couple hours ago. I'm sure I sound like a school boy, but at various times looking at her, while she was asleep and awake, I couldn't help but think she might actually be an angel. She cried a little yesterday when I told her I have to drive back to Kiev for my flight back home tomorrow night. I talked to her about moving to America. She said she had never considered it. Maybe some would scoff at that but I don't.
She just turned 31, has no kids, has a good job, owns her own apartment, is rediculously pretty, has a couple of engineering degrees, like me (but works in a different field, also like me), doesn't smoke, has nice teeth, and a cool cat. Her English is not very good, but she has a super cute accent and voice (OK, I suppose they all do).
She hasn't asked me to pay for her taxi or anything like that. Of course I pay for restaurants. She chooses places that are inexpensive. She likes that I insist on walking on the road side of the sidewalk, open doors for her, etc. She has made distinctions between the way I treat her vs. Ukrainian men. I'm sure she likes riding in my rental car. Along those lines, this trip would have been a lot less pleasant if I hadn't rented the car. It is pretty hot here and public transportation wouldn't be any fun.
The wheels are turning inside my head as I contemplate the possibility of importing her(you can read elsewhere on this forum about my last failed attempt at this, if you care to gauge my chances of success). I have about 36 hours to go here before I need to leave (she has to work all day today and tomorrow, so our time together is even more limited than that). If that goes well, I'll have plenty to think about on my return trip. She wanted us to take a trip out of Kharkov later this week, before she found out I have to leave tomorrow night.
We discussed her traveling to visit me in November, or me visiting her in December. I made her laugh when I told her I could get her a visa if she married me. This runs counter to my original idea for this 7 week visit to Ukraine, which was intended to be a scouting mission to see if I would want to move here semi-permanently some day. If so, I don't think it would be to Kharkov. I don't like it that much. Then again, I arrived during a heat wave, and I really don't like hot weather. So maybe I would like it better other times of the year. Lvov or Kiev seem like better options to me.
Having seen her city, her tiny but nice apartment (in a not-so-nice building) and her public transportation situation, I am thinking about how much I could improve this girl's life (tangibly, at least). An angel like this needs to be rescued, or so the logic goes.
I suppose it's obvious that I'm super excited about her right now. Obviously it's very early days, but I'm letting myself enjoy the moment.
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Hmm, 'importing', 'rescuing' .. even if used in jest - not wise...
Imagine she could read on here what you've told us ..
:'(
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Having seen her city, her tiny but nice apartment (in a not-so-nice building) and her public transportation situation, I am thinking about how much I could improve this girl's life (tangibly, at least). An angel like this needs to be rescued, or so the logic goes.
this is not a good reason to get married
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Thanks for all the helpful advice. I did join a couple of online ex-pat communities, attend an ex-pat event and go to an ex-pat bar. I would say the average woman encountered in those activities is not the most attractive in Kiev. I went that route mainly to make some male friends. I did meet a few guys. I am getting together with a few guys in an hour at a non ex-pat pub. My confidence goes way up when I am not by myself.
I did meet one extremely sweet and pretty girl on an online ex-pat community. We went for a 5 hour date that went really well at the beginning but the excitement waned as the evening wore on. I proposed we meet again but she is not interested.
I went on a 2nd date yesterday with a girl I met on the bus. I think I will see her again later today. Very cute girl in her mid 20's. Good job. Hard worker. Not the greatest smile though, although it's superficial of me to say. Then again, I'm superficial!
I have been teaching English while I am here. I am working for 5 different schools. I am scheduled to work about 25 hours next week. It is really fun and has given me something to do. The money is virtually nothing, haha. About 70% of the students are female. Perhaps 20% of that 70 are quite attractive. However, I have been an educator for a long time and believe I know what is appropriate behavior. I wouldn't pursue a woman who was a student. This has also been a way to make connections. I have hung out a few times with another male teacher.
Stay well away from "Expat Bars" or anything like it, and do not have ANYTHING to do with women who hang about with so called expats..
The best plan is to have NO plan and just go with the flow... and importantly if you do happen to meet some beautiful women, they do not come cheap.. beauty salon, hair, nails, fur coat, quality clothes, she will not want a pair of Primark knickers!! If you cannot afford to maintain a women like this , don't waste your time even looking/speaking/meeting such a women.
Your always better off going for an ordinary women and improving her :)
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Having seen her city, her tiny but nice apartment (in a not-so-nice building) and her public transportation situation, I am thinking about how much I could improve this girl's life (tangibly, at least). An angel like this needs to be rescued, or so the logic goes.
this is not a good reason to get married
I disagree Yankee. It's the WORST reason to import a woman. It is called the "White Knight Complex" of rescuing the fair maiden. justadude should get acquainted with the "You won't get credit for it" theory.
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Having seen her city, her tiny but nice apartment (in a not-so-nice building) and her public transportation situation, I am thinking about how much I could improve this girl's life (tangibly, at least). An angel like this needs to be rescued, or so the logic goes.
this is not a good reason to get married
I disagree Yankee. It's the WORST reason to import a woman. It is called the "White Knight Complex" of rescuing the fair maiden. justadude should get acquainted with the "You won't get credit for it" theory.
I suspect common sense will prevail, at least I hope so.
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
Some where long ago there was a poster that judged women from the fsu by there chompers (teeth). :(
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I suppose it's obvious that I'm super excited about her right now. Obviously it's very early days, but I'm letting myself enjoy the moment.
I am glad you met someone you like, justadude! It's obvious she likes you too and that's probably among the best things under the sun :innocent:
You seem to be honest and you seem to be writing what's really going through your head. Not all of us are angels (well, except me, Orchid, Avvy and very few others :saint: ) and i think it's normal NOT to think only about eternity of one's soul... ;D ;D ;D
It's noble to want to make someone happy and their life better. I think it's one of the main (normal)reasons for people to get into relationships.
I normally respect Steveboy's take, but for goodness sake, it's not 90ies, not every girl who wants to learn English is passport - hunter. More so, i think there are few nowadays.I met my best friend in Moscow because she was hanging out with expats to practice her English. From super nice family, educated, most decent girl. "Expats" is also females, and people generally, regular people, not necessarily the lowest of low.
All of that being said, please take your time, do not hurry.
Best,
Volshe
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
Some where long ago there was a poster that judged women from the fsu by there chompers (teeth). :(
Was it D.S.? or S.J.?
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
Some where long ago there was a poster that judged women from the fsu by there chompers (teeth). :(
Was it D.S.? or S.J.?
No, I want to say Calm M. . . but perhaps BilleB - it was like he was inspecting cattle or horses. A moderator if he is so inclined can recall it. I thought back than it was a low point but we have gone lower since than. It could even be before I joined RUA and was only lurking. I only recall :sick0012:
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
Some where long ago there was a poster that judged women from the fsu by there chompers (teeth). :(
Was it D.S.? or S.J.?
No, I want to say Calm M. . . but perhaps BilleB - it was like he was inspecting cattle or horses. A moderator if he is so inclined can recall it. I thought back than it was a low point but we have gone lower since than. It could even be before I joined RUA and was only lurking. I only recall :sick0012:
There sure are a lot of eccentric characters on these boards. D.S. was a guy with a RW wife who used to judge a RW by her photo. S.J. was a Harvard educated lawyer who went to Ukraine to check out the woman of his dreams only to discover she had a mouth full of rotten teeth. He took one look and left her and Ukraine that day. He gave up on Slavic women and his guide Stirilitz after that.
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No, I want to say Calm M. . . but perhaps BilleB - it was like he was inspecting cattle or horses. A moderator if he is so inclined can recall it. I thought back than it was a low point but we have gone lower since than. It could even be before I joined RUA and was only lurking. I only recall :sick0012:
Read among the lines: they don't have money for dentists... I think everyone likes nice teeth, don't we, but yeah... (:)
p.s. justadude, this is in no way aimed at your post, i also notice if someone has nice teeth.
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Well, how you maintain your teeth is directly tied to your overall hygiene and health. So bad teeth may indicate someone has other medical issues at hand. My understanding is that dentistry in Russia and Ukraine has advanced since then and this is largely a thing the guys who married in the 90's went through.
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has nice teeth
Wow, that sure makes her eligible ;D
Some where long ago there was a poster that judged women from the fsu by there chompers (teeth). :(
Was it D.S.? or S.J.?
No, I want to say Calm M. . . but perhaps BilleB - it was like he was inspecting cattle or horses. A moderator if he is so inclined can recall it. I thought back than it was a low point but we have gone lower since than. It could even be before I joined RUA and was only lurking. I only recall :sick0012:
Donhollio:
I have read on tours some Yanks have even asked women to open their mouths for inspection to judge if they were suitable wife material! :o
It turns out this wasnt a Yank, this was a Canadian, I give you, our very own Donhollio ladies and gentlemen. :laugh:
Yes it was me prying her little wanting mouth open........
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As a joke I asked this RW I was seeing to open her mouth so I can look at her teeth. She wasn't amused and said in her deep voice, "I am not a horse." :ROFL: I've found since then Slavic women generally do not like being teased. They take themselves very serious.
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Jesus Christ, it's no surprise that relationships are a mystery to you.
It's likely that any person, anywhere in the world, would take exception to such a crass comment.
You're about as subtle as a blow to the temple with a blackjack.
Does your next target know that she is to be your unpaid domestic?
Here's a free tip that's going to help you if you want to avoid getting blown out again: don't think at all about what she might do for you. Concentrate your efforts upon making her time with you the best it can be. To do that think about what you can do for her.
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Jesus Christ, it's no surprise that relationships are a mystery to you.
It's likely that any person, anywhere in the world, would take exception to such a crass comment.
You're about as subtle as a blow to the temple with a blackjack.
Does your next target know that she is to be your unpaid domestic?
Here's a free tip that's going to help you if you want to avoid getting blown out again: don't think at all about what she might do for you. Concentrate your efforts upon making her time with the best it can be. To do that think about what you can do for her.
Andrew, I tend to doubt JC will help. I think we are speaking/musing regarding post #23 in a theoretical sense. Av
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As a joke I asked this RW I was seeing to open her mouth so I can look at her teeth. She wasn't amused and said in her deep voice, "I am not a horse." :ROFL: I've found since then Slavic women generally do not like being teased. They take themselves very serious.
:dh: :laugh:
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What damn stupid people we got posting here. Judging someone not knowing the full conditions and circumstances. But being fair and honest is not your strong suit Andrew. You would make a TERRIBLE scientist or objective journalist. Your hate for your fellow man is well known by the long time posters here. It colors most everything you post about another especially if they are male.
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Might we refrain from insulting each other please? :coffeeread:
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Might we refrain from insulting each other please? :coffeeread:
While certainly I have my challenges dealing with Wiz (and sometimes AndrewFi) a degree of civility makes for a more pleasant forum and allot less work for the moderators. But it is a two way street.
One has to pretend to be a duck and let the water roll off your back as you paddle around the threads.
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Maxx, if you can't see just where you shot yourself in the foot and where you are about to do the same thing to your other foot then, at your age, there's little that can help you.
Getting in a bate with me as you peck at your lonely laptop keyboard is not productive.
It doesn't have to be this way. If a fat, aging, long term bachelor, like me can manage to attract attractive young women to share life then you can too. Treating women like shit is not how it's done.
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If a fat, aging, long term bachelor, like me can manage to attract attractive young women to share life then you can too. Treating women like shit is not how it's done.
I don't think there's need to make less of yourself so to comfort someone, especially someone who comes across as being rather manipulative and selfish/ self-centered.
If a spade is to be called spade, when you speak to women, Andrew ( a bird told me and i believed her as she seemed to be quite a trustworthy little bird :-X), you are very polite and nice, beside being an English gentleman. That's the difference and it can't be abridged.
Now it turns i am flattering you, but i have 0 interest in doing so ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry, yes, you make a reasonable point. I was seeking to draw some points of commonality between Maxx and I; to help make the point easier to relate to.
Anyone can act like a gentleman. Perhaps some can not *be* a gentleman but I am sure that, at least in the short term, the benefits are the same. However, I can assure Maxx that my points are entirely based in current experience. I do not have women running from my company.
I have over the past few weeks hosted four close friends, all women, 3 were with me for a couple of weeks, at the same time. Respect and consideration meant that we suffered no jealousy as we enjoyed each other's company. The last has just left my home today and might well become the life partner I have been looking for these past few years.
If I can do it Maxx can but it can't happen if he acts like an ass.
Women, just like men, tend to seek a partner of whom they can be proud. What woman can be proud of a man who treats her like a donkey at market. What woman can be proud of a grown man unable to cook healthy food?
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I have over the past few weeks hosted four close friends, all women, 3 were with me for a couple of weeks, at the same time. Respect and consideration meant that we suffered no jealousy as we enjoyed each other's company. The last has just left my home today and might well become the life partner I have been looking for these past few years.
Fingers crossed! :loving: I feel it's up to you, to decide. You have a lot of choice, they are all cool, and then it's a problem to choose only one (i guess, i am not i guy so i can't know ;D) I do hope the last one manages to keep you* :thumbsup:
**i know we can open a discussion now, and while i totally get poli-amorous child-free loving and living, it's clashing with my personal view of family slash long-term happiness. I can't help it, but to see it as one guy +one 'gal + in God's willing, a baby. That's what i want for myself, that's what i want for my friends. And you are my friend. Now, if you throw rotten tomatoes my way, i'll fight back!!! :-[
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hosted four close friends, all women,
hopefully you did more than just host them
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hosted four close friends, all women,
hopefully you did more than just host them
Curiosity killed the cat!!! :KISSSS:
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hosted four close friends, all women,
hopefully you did more than just host them
I'm pretty sure he meant to write that he hoisted them. :laugh:
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Women, just like men, tend to seek a partner of whom they can be proud.
What woman can be proud of a man who treats her like a donkey at market.
End of life discovery.... :laugh:
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I have over the past few weeks hosted four close friends, all women, 3 were with me for a couple of weeks, at the same time.
I noticed that Andrew has been peaceful recently on forum. :ROFL:
Are they all gone now?
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Now, if you throw rotten tomatoes my way, i'll fight back!!! :-[
I am by your side, Volshe.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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One comment I made 16 years ago to a RW and now I am forever condemned. Have I not tried to do good things for this board by posting my thread? Even taking the risk of ridicule and recently legal threats by being open and honest about myself? I might not be perfect but I am real.
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...being open and honest about myself... I am real.
I love you for that, Maxx.
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One comment I made 16 years ago to a RW and now I am forever condemned. Have I not tried to do good things for this board by posting my thread? Even taking the risk of ridicule and recently legal threats by being open and honest about myself? I might not be perfect but I am real.
No one is perfect & I was not around a decade + + + ago.
While I have seen ugly, & I also have written that which I regret. Better to make your excuses, move on, forgive if possible and avoid the same mistakes a second time around.
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The rest of the visit was quite nice. We spent most of the last 36 hours together. She took a day off work. She is so dang cute with her English learning. I had a pretty cool room in a rustic hotel by the river. We lounged by the pool most of the day, said our tearful goodbyes in the early evening then I drove away.
The drive from Kharkov to Kiev sucked, as I had predicted. I love cars but I hate lengthy, monotonous drives, especially at night. I battle falling asleep behind the wheel. I am on a layover in Italy now. I will be back home in about 24 hours, knock on aircraft grade aluminum.
I am not sure what will happen next. I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
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The rest of the visit was quite nice. We spent most of the last 36 hours together. She took a day off work. She is so dang cute with her English learning. I had a pretty cool room in a rustic hotel by the river. We lounged by the pool most of the day, said our tearful goodbyes in the early evening then I drove away.
The drive from Kharkov to Kiev sucked, as I had predicted. I love cars but I hate lengthy, monotonous drives, especially at night. I battle falling asleep behind the wheel. I am on a layover in Italy now. I will be back home in about 24 hours, knock on aircraft grade aluminum.
I am not sure what will happen next. I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
More than what you accomplished can not be expected. This is not baking a Betty Crocker cake.
You enjoyed your self & had some good times.
Sorry for some of the RUA history showing up in your thread but it is how threads meander.
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The rest of the visit was quite nice. We spent most of the last 36 hours together. She took a day off work. She is so dang cute with her English learning. I had a pretty cool room in a rustic hotel by the river. We lounged by the pool most of the day, said our tearful goodbyes in the early evening then I drove away.
I am not sure what will happen next. I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
These two paragraphs suggest a conflicting conclusion re your trip... Are you playing it 'cool' ? I appreciate that most people will tell you that you can't go crazy after one meeting...
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The rest of the visit was quite nice. We spent most of the last 36 hours together. She took a day off work. She is so dang cute with her English learning. I had a pretty cool room in a rustic hotel by the river. We lounged by the pool most of the day, said our tearful goodbyes in the early evening then I drove away.
I am not sure what will happen next. I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
When you are back home try and pay attention to this crude little test and don't laugh..... before you try it!
When next time you get in touch with her, I expect you will using Skype.....
... when you see her smiling face...... pay attention to your feelings inside you ... and also to your Ass.......... if your muscles start tingling or getting tight........ then you are hooked!
I know it sounds very crude and silly but I was told about it from an old boy, when I was 18 and worked every time I met a new woman!
Let's wait and see what happens. Good luck!
:)
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Women, just like men, tend to seek a partner of whom they can be proud.
What woman can be proud of a man who treats her like a donkey at market.
End of life discovery.... :laugh:
Fortunately for myself this was stuff I learned long ago. In the list of lessons learned long ago ago it stands with the following:
Learn which feature of a woman's body she is most proud and make sure that she knows you value that feature too. (maybe the legs, perhaps an earlobe, but she has a special place!)
AND
Learn what it is that a woman most needs and give it to her, never stop giving it to her. She will love you forever. (For Americans, a hint, the thing she most needs will not be money. If money IS her primary need then she can not love you - there's reasons why this is true)
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Fortunately for myself this was stuff I learned long ago.
Forgive me observing - but I have seen very little evidence of such ... happy to quote plenty of examples - if allowed - to back up my contention
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I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
then you arent in love. or get this fixed asap
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I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
then you arent in love. or get this fixed asap
You can change anything in life, but a BMW only for a BMW
justadude, listen to Markje, fix that immediately, if you care about her.
As per his advice on cars... There are only two types of cars in the world, Mercedes and... other cars :-[
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Fortunately for myself this was stuff I learned long ago.
Forgive me observing - but I have seen very little evidence of such ... happy to quote plenty of examples - if allowed - to back up my contention
You have never been the target of my affection. Wrong gender and different species. :'(
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When you are back home try and pay attention to this crude little test and don't laugh..... before you try it!
When next time you get in touch with her, I expect you will using Skype.....
... when you see her smiling face...... pay attention to your feelings inside you ... and also to your Ass.......... if your muscles start tingling or getting tight........ then you are hooked!
I know it sounds very crude and silly but I was told about it from an old boy, when I was 18 and worked every time I met a new woman!
Let's wait and see what happens. Good luck!
:)
I'm not laughing. It sounds like a good idea and maybe even scientific)
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I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
then you arent in love. or get this fixed asap
When you say get this fixed, I assume you mean fix my issues. Is that right? If so, I'm not the least bit offended, as I do know I have issues.
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As per his advice on cars... There are only two types of cars in the world, Mercedes and... other cars
MB has made some pretty cool cars, but they are generally too heavy in my opinion. Then again, pretty much every new car is too heavy. It's kind of crazy that we live in a world where a new Honda Civic weighs more than a '65 Mustang V8 and some Lambos weigh as much as a full size pickup from the late 60's.
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You have never been the target of my affection. Wrong gender and different species. :'(
You could have fooled me... given you spend SO much time discussing my sleeping habits, finances .... :coffeeread:
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...give it to her, never stop giving it to her...
I have a feeling, Andrew, that your father left you some money...
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She will love you forever. (For Americans, a hint, the thing she most needs will not be money. If money IS her primary need then she can not love you - there's reasons why this is true)
Yesterday I have received two dresses: Prada and Versace.
So, after dinner my hubby had his private fashion show.
He was sweating.....
He stopped sweating after I said that I bought these dresses for my money.
Damn it! I should keep my mouth shut and let him sweat until he sees his credit card report.
He would love me forever.
Because that show was free for him, he was casual: "You know, babe, I love all your dresses on floor..."
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I plan to stay in touch with her but we don't have plans yet to see each other again.
then you arent in love. or get this fixed asap
When you say get this fixed, I assume you mean fix my issues. Is that right? If so, I'm not the least bit offended, as I do know I have issues.
No, i don't think Mark meant that, and for sure i didn't mean that!!! It was meant like: fix the "we don't have the plans yet", ie. if you like the girl and care about her - make an arrangement to meet again asap. We all have issues, it's part of the human experience, but i don't think Markje would offend someone like that (i mean, i know he wouldn't, and i wouldn't certainly, especially you, because you seem nice and honest.)
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She will love you forever. (For Americans, a hint, the thing she most needs will not be money. If money IS her primary need then she can not love you - there's reasons why this is true)
Yesterday I have received two dresses: Prada and Versace.
So, after dinner my hubby had his private fashion show.
He was sweating.....
He stopped sweating after I said that I bought these dresses for my money.
Damn it! I should keep my mouth shut and let him sweat until he sees his credit card report.
He would love me forever.
Because that show was free for him, he was casual: "You know, babe, I love all your dresses on floor..."
I love your stories, Orchid!!! Your hubby anyway loves you forever, and so does this board :loving: :loving: :loving:
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As per his advice on cars... There are only two types of cars in the world, Mercedes and... other cars
MB has made some pretty cool cars, but they are generally too heavy in my opinion.
I don't know about that, the C63 while a bit bulky is a fantastic drive, not too heavy either but I did recently test drive an BMW M5 and wow, seriously wow, only downside is the cost for the extras that MB include as standard for same price, then again it's my fun car that I'm replacing and an BMW M5 would be a nice change. That said, if I could afford it, I'd so get the MB S65 as that's a whole different level of fun but not for a car that takes a beating :chuckle:
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Nice story, Orchid, and great that you have a husband happy to encourage you as an amateur burlesque. However, I think we both know that your story, fun as it was, had no relevance to the point that I made upthread.
On the other hand, if your primary motivation for being with your husband is the money he gives you one might consider the relationship to be other than a real marriage and somewhat more commercial. If what you have meets his needs and yours, then as long as he feels that he gets value for money then everything is fine. I assume, of course, that you make adequate provision for the inevitable moment when your value declines.
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Nice story, Orchid, and great that you have a husband happy to encourage you as an amateur burlesque. However, I think we both know that your story, fun as it was, had no relevance to the point that I made upthread.
On the other hand, if your primary motivation for being with your husband is the money he gives you one might consider the relationship to be other than a real marriage and somewhat more commercial. If what you have meets his needs and yours, then as long as he feels that he gets value for money then everything is fine. I assume, of course, that you make adequate provision for the inevitable moment when your value declines.
Oh, Andy... It's a story. Every reader of course has the right to understand it the way they like/ choose. While i was in the Uni, we were still thought: the author wanted to say that and his/her idea was this. But it's been at least twenty years that you and i as a reader form a relation with text and find for ourselves what we choose/ find relevant/ what speaks to us.
I have no idea what Orchid really meant, as we can't really read each other's mind, but here is my interpretation of the story: she started working. She bought something that makes happy both her and her hubby. She financed the acquisition because now she can. As a subplot: haute couture clothes are of supreme quality and they come in very small sizes... Maybe it's a thing that it's Women's Writing, so that mine perception of it is quite different... (Both are valid of course - and as many people would read the story, they'd come to different conclusions for themselves.)
Mine are something like this[/]
One of our most awarded writers of my generation was recently literally screamed at by a famous literary critic (names withed for obvious reasons).
The critic was reviewing a theme from the book and a line in the plot which turned out was not how the writer meant it... And he said, i didn't mean that... I must tell you, the hell broke loose ;D ;D ;D
So, yeah, we put our stories out there in the big world and from then on they have their own respective destinies... :biggrin:
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Oh, Andy... It's a story.
It's a story of his life.
Andy is a shoemaker..... without shoes.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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When you say get this fixed, I assume you mean fix my issues. Is that right? If so, I'm not the least bit offended, as I do know I have issues.
No, i don't think Mark meant that, and for sure i didn't mean that!!! It was meant like: fix the "we don't have the plans yet", ie. if you like the girl and care about her - make an arrangement to meet again asap. We all have issues, it's part of the human experience, but i don't think Markje would offend someone like that (i mean, i know he wouldn't, and i wouldn't certainly, especially you, because you seem nice and honest.)
Well now I feel silly! Thanks for the advice and well wishes. We have a video call scheduled for tomorrow. Maybe I should!
Here we are an hour before saying goodbye. I'm not showing our faces for obvious reasons.
(https://image.ibb.co/fL3sga/Full_Size_Render_5.jpg)
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When you say get this fixed, I assume you mean fix my issues. Is that right? If so, I'm not the least bit offended, as I do know I have issues.
No, i don't think Mark meant that, and for sure i didn't mean that!!! It was meant like: fix the "we don't have the plans yet", ie. if you like the girl and care about her - make an arrangement to meet again asap. We all have issues, it's part of the human experience, but i don't think Markje would offend someone like that (i mean, i know he wouldn't, and i wouldn't certainly, especially you, because you seem nice and honest.)
Well now I feel silly! Thanks for the advice and well wishes. We have a video call scheduled for tomorrow. Maybe I should!
Here we are an hour before saying goodbye. I'm not showing our faces for obvious reasons.
(https://image.ibb.co/fL3sga/Full_Size_Render_5.jpg)
You look good together, even with your heads off! :thumbsup: ;D The way she is leaning towards you is super cute. Btw, check the feet (that's, like, important in body language), her both are turned towards you, whereas yours are:one towards her, another to the side... As if you are not fully decided yet. She looks very feminine and that makes you look even more manly when she is next to you. She is poised and looks quite delicate, like a former ballerina or a gymnast (i realize she's too tall for that, just saying.) Love her arms too. By her toes - she's not weak, she's strong, which is good. So, that would concludes my analyze of your pic, hope there's something for you in it! (Forgot to add, beautiful skin too, obviously rather privileged background) ;)
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
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So, that would concludes my analyze of your pic, hope there's something for you in it! (Forgot to add, beautiful skin too, obviously rather privileged background) ;)
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:chuckle: :laugh: :ROFL:
Kind of reminds me of an article.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/i-hate-to-break-it-to-feminists-but-white-male-privilege-is-a-myth/
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Kind of reminds me of an article.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/i-hate-to-break-it-to-feminists-but-white-male-privilege-is-a-myth/
It's all western (American) concepts: the white privilege, the feminist movement, the anger towards white males... Mine was simpler that that ;)
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
Stop fantasising you silly man.
Start reading, look in a mirror and indulge in some self reflection, it will help you.
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
Stop fantasising you silly man.
Start reading, look in a mirror and indulge in some self reflection, it will help you.
Sorry no Andrew - stop trying to duck and deflect - if you wish to insult members and caste accusations feel free to continue . . . they are your words which show you as an epic internet loser. . .
Is it so hard for you to say sorry, my post was faulty (76)?
Lets see, I have successful LDR? A step son who thinks highly of me (but kicks my ass at chess) but we even up at badminton. What do you have?
NB: I look OK in the mirror, according to my wife. Do you even own a mirror? Your opinion is diddly shyte.
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Well now I feel silly! Thanks for the advice and well wishes. We have a video call scheduled for tomorrow. Maybe I should!
Here we are an hour before saying goodbye.
(https://image.ibb.co/fL3sga/Full_Size_Render_5.jpg)
You've already lost your head over this girl. ;D
I wish you Success!
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You've already lost your head over this girl. ;D
I wish you Success!
:laugh: :ROFL: :-X
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
Stop fantasising you silly man.
Start reading, look in a mirror and indulge in some self reflection,
it will help you.
Shhhh……
Mr. AvHdB,
Please, do not distract Andrew... :-X
He is stuck between meditation and masturbation exploring a philosophy of a farting man who is receiving a blowjob...
I have lost my hope there is something that can help him.
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You've already lost your head over this girl. ;D
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Love you jokes!!!!
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
Stop fantasising you silly man.
Start reading, look in a mirror and indulge in some self reflection,
it will help you.
Shhhh……
Mr. AvBhD,
Please, do not distract Andrew... :-X
He is stuck between meditation and masturbation exploring a philosophy of a farting man who is receiving a blowjob...
I have lost my hope there is something that can help him.
There is little one can do to help the Chichikov's of this world.
I suspect that the по́шлость, such as Andrew, have no hope in the future.
I would prefer we stay on point with the topic at hand. If we want to squabble there are sand boxes for this.
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thank you
IMO post 76/77 should also be removed (as well as this one) referring to members as burlesque = women of the night is just wrong.
Perhaps chill fifii for a number of days?
Stop fantasising you silly man.
Start reading, look in a mirror and indulge in some self reflection,
it will help you.
Shhhh……
Mr. AvHdB,
Please, do not distract Andrew... :-X
He is stuck between meditation and masturbation exploring a philosophy of a farting man who is receiving a blowjob...
I have lost my hope there is something that can help him.
There is little one can do to help the Chichikov's of this world.
I suspect that the по́шлость, such as Andrew, have no hope in the future.
I would prefer we stay on point with the topic at hand. If we want to squabble there are sand boxes for this.
We take from him the only thing he exceeds in: по́шлость.
Of course, it is painful. :chuckle:
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So, after dinner my hubby had his private fashion show.
I love the fashion shows. :-*
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On the other hand, if your primary motivation for being with your husband is the money he gives you one might consider the relationship to be other than a real marriage and somewhat more commercial. If what you have meets his needs and yours, then as long as he feels that he gets value for money then everything is fine. I assume, of course, that you make adequate provision for the inevitable moment when your value declines.
Maybe I misread but didn't she say she paid for the clothes herself? Either way, no man begrudges his wife a couple of dresses. Gee, lighten up Andy. She just told a fun story.
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As I post this some 32 people are viewing this. OK I have little to say sorry about, but there are other places on RUA where this snow ball fight could be placed.
Of course we could just post on topic and not throw frozen H20.
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No, i don't think Mark meant that, and for sure i didn't mean that!!! It was meant like: fix the "we don't have the plans yet", ie. if you like the girl and care about her - make an arrangement to meet again asap.
Yep. This.
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You look good together, even with your heads off! :thumbsup: ;D The way she is leaning towards you is super cute. Btw, check the feet (that's, like, important in body language), her both are turned towards you, whereas yours are:one towards her, another to the side... As if you are not fully decided yet. She looks very feminine and that makes you look even more manly when she is next to you. She is poised and looks quite delicate, like a former ballerina or a gymnast (i realize she's too tall for that, just saying.) Love her arms too. By her toes - she's not weak, she's strong, which is good. So, that would concludes my analyze of your pic, hope there's something for you in it! (Forgot to add, beautiful skin too, obviously rather privileged background) ;)
Thanks and very interesting observations! She is sort of cat like, the way she kind of molds herself to me. She is very feminine and kind of dainty. But yes, I think she is strong for being 47kg.
Since I got home we have been pleasantly writing each other (you know how they say "writing", instead of texting), even though in the back of my mind it seems futile. But we just had a video chat and I'm feeling infatuated again. She told me she was nervous to talk because she has emotions for me. And of course she was super cute. I gave her the video tour of the house and she really liked it. My dog was interrupting the call, and she digs my dog. But what girl could resist Pirate?
(https://preview.ibb.co/iG0jwa/Full_Size_Render_13.jpg)
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She asked me when I would be coming back to visit her. I said I would like her to come here. I know there is a sub forum for this topic, but what are the basics of her getting a travel visa here? Her company has a branch in the US, so I don't know if she could get a business type visa. But of course her company would have to legitimately want to send her.
But for a travel visa, is it difficult? I heard that if you do apply for a travel visa that one of the questions they ask is if you know anyone in the States. Is that true and is it bad if you do(because maybe someone who knows a US resident might be considered to be likely to stay illegally)?
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But for a travel visa, is it difficult? I heard that if you do apply for a travel visa that one of the questions they ask is if you know anyone in the States. Is that true and is it bad if you do(because maybe someone who knows a US resident might be considered to be likely to stay illegally)?
Business visa is a work visa, one they hand out for those transferring within the company quite easily however that's not what she'd want, she would want the tourist visa.
It isn't difficult to procure, they ask various questions pertaining to the reason for your visit, she mustn't under any circumstances mention she is coming across to see a partner/potential partner, seeing friends is fine but anything that could potentially be linked as romantic is not (I almost tripped myself up at customs a few years back when I said I was seeing a friend, it was okay as she wasn't American and I had to go back to uni but it was close).
My advice is that she keeps quiet about you, say she's coming across to visit and see the sights unless you're in some backwater, she should be fine.
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So, after dinner my hubby had his private fashion show.
I love the fashion shows. :-*
I see that there are some things we agree to :party0031:
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But what girl could resist Pirate?
None, i assure you!!!
:loving: Pirate :loving:
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So, after dinner my hubby had his private fashion show.
I love the fashion shows. :-*
I see that there are some things we agree to :party0031:
Not everybody likes the fashion shows.
Yesterday I put on a Prada dress.
It is just a knee long, sleeveless, black dress with taffeta skirt.
To look more official I put on a short, dark green, silk shirt with sleeves.
Notice: no excessive jewelries and minimum make-up!
My director asked me: “Orchid, did you come to meeting from the Church?”
I was sarcastic: “No, from a Funeral Home.”
There were tears in his eyes, he gave me a hug, and said: “Ohh... I am so sorry”.
Then at lunch he dropped a piece of pizza on my skirt.
I was mad.
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Notice: no excessive jewelries and minimum make-up!
Classy and stylish :thumbsup:
My director asked me: “Orchid, did you come to meeting from the Church?”
I was sarcastic: “No, from a Funeral Home.”
There were tears in his eyes, he gave me a hug, and said: “Ohh... I am so sorry”.
Then at lunch he dropped a piece of pizza on my skirt.
I was mad.
:ROFL:
Story is awesome!!! Sorry for the dress, hope they'll fix it at the dry cleaners... Poor chap, he must have been quite embarrassed!!!
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Manny.....
I definitely prefer platonic Dogsodier over pathetic Wiz.
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Sorry for the dress, hope they'll fix it at the dry cleaners... Poor chap, he must have been quite embarrassed!!!
Lady at dry cleaner said "You love this dress to much. I cannot clean it."
Can you imagine? :rolleye0009:
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But what girl could resist Pirate?
I have a black and white dog too.
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Sorry for the dress, hope they'll fix it at the dry cleaners... Poor chap, he must have been quite embarrassed!!!
Lady at dry cleaner said "You love this dress to much. I cannot clean it."
Can you imagine? :rolleye0009:
:eeekk: :eeekk: :eeekk:
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But what girl could resist Pirate?
I have a black and white dog too.
Omg, what a beautiful furry baby!!! :loving: :loving: :loving: Adorable!!!
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Kind of reminds me of an article.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/i-hate-to-break-it-to-feminists-but-white-male-privilege-is-a-myth/
It's all western (American) concepts: the white privilege, the feminist movement, the anger towards white males... Mine was simpler that that ;)
These are not American concepts. Americans believe in natural hierarchies which come about from hard work and merit.
Concepts of false "equality" based on class warfare, jealousy and theft are International and easy to trace.
Ironically those pushing the same failed ideologies are lawyers, politicians and "professors" often earning six figures and their targets are often blue collar types at or below the poverty level.
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You show your colours more than you know Confederate)
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You show your colours more than you know Confederate)
Whatever shall I do? Jerash the liberal from Canada who loves gun control and socialized medicine has a complaint. :-*
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You show your colours more than you know Confederate)
Whatever shall I do? Jerash the liberal from Canada who loves gun control and socialized medicine has a complaint. :-*
You know my view on guns, at least partially. Please provide me the post that shows my views on "socialized medicine".
What industry do you work in Confederate?
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she would want the tourist visa.
It isn't difficult to procure, they ask various questions pertaining to the reason for your visit, she mustn't under any circumstances mention she is coming across to see a partner/potential partner, seeing friends is fine but anything that could potentially be linked as romantic is not (I almost tripped myself up at customs a few years back when I said I was seeing a friend, it was okay as she wasn't American and I had to go back to uni but it was close).
My advice is that she keeps quiet about you, say she's coming across to visit and see the sights unless you're in some backwater, she should be fine.
Thank you. I am supposed to send her a link to the information on how she can get a tourist visa. The information would need to be in Russian.
Would it be USCIS?
Or this? http://www.ustraveldocs.com/ua/ua-niv-typeb1b2.asp
Or something else.
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she would want the tourist visa.
It isn't difficult to procure, they ask various questions pertaining to the reason for your visit, she mustn't under any circumstances mention she is coming across to see a partner/potential partner, seeing friends is fine but anything that could potentially be linked as romantic is not (I almost tripped myself up at customs a few years back when I said I was seeing a friend, it was okay as she wasn't American and I had to go back to uni but it was close).
My advice is that she keeps quiet about you, say she's coming across to visit and see the sights unless you're in some backwater, she should be fine.
Thank you. I am supposed to send her a link to the information on how she can get a tourist visa. The information would need to be in Russian.
Would it be USCIS?
Or this? http://www.ustraveldocs.com/ua/ua-niv-typeb1b2.asp
Or something else.
I think it's this (2nd link) : http://www.ustraveldocs.com/ua_ru/ua-niv-typeb1b2.asp
There are many ru travel forums on that topics, maybe those could be of help. Forum Vinskogo is probably the most informative: http://forum.awd.ru/viewforum.php?f=326
(The link is to the topic of obtaining US tourist visa, in Russian.)
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Thank you for the info. I forwarded it to her a few weeks ago. Meanwhile she needed to renew her passport so she has sent away for that. She plans to apply for a tourist visa, or has already begun that process.
We text every day and she sends me racy pictures and stuff like that. I send her limericks and videos and pictures of stuff I'm doing, painting the motorcycle, driving to work, playing with my dog, working out, etc.
So I kinda like her! But now I think a conundrum is presenting itself. I get that she should not mention that she is coming to see her lover in America during the application for the visa process. But let's say that after this visit we want to take it to the next level, i.e., K1 fiance visa. We took pictures when I was in Kharkov in August, which could be used as evidence of our relationship. But if she travels to the States in November, having declared that she is not visiting a love interest, I see a conflict. I would think that USCIS would not believe that she visited the states and didn't see me, if we provide evidence that I met her in Ukraine in August.
I also would assume that we wouldn't want to show evidence of the relationship based on her tourist trip here. So then I would assume I would need to make another trip to Kharkov and we would have to pretend that we met for the first time then. This seems a bit rediculous. Enlighten me.
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Thank you for the info. I forwarded it to her a few weeks ago. Meanwhile she needed to renew her passport so she has sent away for that. She plans to apply for a tourist visa, or has already begun that process.
We text every day and she sends me racy pictures and stuff like that. I send her limericks and videos and pictures of stuff I'm doing, painting the motorcycle, driving to work, playing with my dog, working out, etc.
So I kinda like her! But now I think a conundrum is presenting itself. I get that she should not mention that she is coming to see her lover in America during the application for the visa process. But let's say that after this visit we want to take it to the next level, i.e., K1 fiance visa. We took pictures when I was in Kharkov in August, which could be used as evidence of our relationship. But if she travels to the States in November, having declared that she is not visiting a love interest, I see a conflict. I would think that USCIS would not believe that she visited the states and didn't see me, if we provide evidence that I met her in Ukraine in August.
I also would assume that we wouldn't want to show evidence of the relationship based on her tourist trip here. So then I would assume I would need to make another trip to Kharkov and we would have to pretend that we met for the first time then. This seems a bit rediculous. Enlighten me.
She should say she is visiting friends and distant relatives. She will need a fixed address in the States, a friend or relative who can cover for you.
If she meets the criteria she should receive a visa from the Consulate. It would help her cause if in her old passport there were visa stamps from Europe. If yes she should bring that passport as well to America. Most of the time the actual entry into the States is a formality.
Regarding her new passport I would recommend a bio-metric one. Ukraine offers both non bio-metric and bio-metric passports.
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She should say she is visiting friends and distant relatives. She will need a fixed address in the States, a friend or relative who can cover for you.
If she meets the criteria she should receive a visa from the Consulate. It would help her cause if in her old passport there were visa stamps from Europe. If yes she should bring that passport as well to America. Most of the time the actual entry into the States is a formality.
Regarding her new passport I would recommend a bio-metric one. Ukraine offers both non bio-metric and bio-metric passports.
She is filling out the form she received back from the Embassy, which asks for my address and employment information. She says she does not want to lie. Are you saying she should not provide my address? If she does not state that her and I had a romantic relationship can she use my address? Or should she use the address of a female?
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She should say she is visiting friends and distant relatives. She will need a fixed address in the States, a friend or relative who can cover for you.
If she meets the criteria she should receive a visa from the Consulate. It would help her cause if in her old passport there were visa stamps from Europe. If yes she should bring that passport as well to America. Most of the time the actual entry into the States is a formality.
Regarding her new passport I would recommend a bio-metric one. Ukraine offers both non bio-metric and bio-metric passports.
She is filling out the form she received back from the Embassy, which asks for my address and employment information. She says she does not want to lie. Are you saying she should not provide my address? If she does not state that her and I had a romantic relationship can she use my address? Or should she use the address of a female?
If you lie and get caught you are screwed.
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Does anyone reading this really understand how the process works? What questions are asked on the DS 160? I watched a tutorial on filling one out for a student visa, but I assume the questions would be different for a tourist visa. Then I assume questions are asked during the embassy interview and checked for consistency with the answers supplied on DS 160. Am I close?
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The general rule of thumb in most places is if you declare a relationship, you are no longer considered a tourist, you are a potential immigrant. IIRC in the US you dont need to have an immigration status to marry, ie, "tourists" can marry and apply to stay, hence the caution there.
Use the search, this has been widely discussed in great depth in the past.
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Does anyone reading this really understand how the process works? What questions are asked on the DS 160? I watched a tutorial on filling one out for a student visa, but I assume the questions would be different for a tourist visa. Then I assume questions are asked during the embassy interview and checked for consistency with the answers supplied on DS 160. Am I close?
Note: This is for Russia
My Russian GF (now my wife) went down to a tourist/travel agent and they
filled out the paperwork, told her she needed $ for a fee (it wasn't much)
and $$$ to be in her bank account (it might have been $2500 but I forget).
I sent her the money and she showed up at the airport with a visa.
We did this twice. She never told ANYONE about me.
NOTE: I had already visited her 4 times and knew that she was the real deal.
I highly recommend visiting them in person in their country first.
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Note: This is for Russia
My Russian GF (now my wife) went down to a tourist/travel agent and they
filled out the paperwork, told her she needed $ for a fee (it wasn't much)
and $$$ to be in her bank account (it might have been $2500 but I forget).
I sent her the money and she showed up at the airport with a visa.
We did this twice. She never told ANYONE about me.
NOTE: I had already visited her 4 times and knew that she was the real deal.
I highly recommend visiting them in person in their country first.
Thank you Bill. How long ago were those visits?
As mentioned, I have met this woman in person. I think she's the real deal. She felt pretty real when I kissed her, haha. Although I do occasionally refer to her as my imaginary GF, in certain company.
This is my understanding of how the process works. You apply for a visa interview online. The biggest part of this step is answering questions on form DS 160. Not everyone gets asked the same questions. There is an algorithm which determines what questions to ask based on your responses up to that point.
Next, you are invited to the appropriate embassy for your country/location. I am not certain whether this step is automatic. I would assume it would be possible not to receive an invitation, depending on how you answer the questions.
During your interview at the consulate, one of the key factors they look for is consistency in your provided information, and how it matches up with information given at the interview. And, apparently, a big factor is your having reasons to return home. My friend, code name Omega, owns an apartment in her home town, has been in her career at the same organization for over 5 years, and has family there.
Omega already submitted the online form and is apparently scheduled or expecting an interview sometime this month. Apparently she has been able to talk to some friends who have gotten tourist visas to the US in the past.
If it seems like I don't know as many details as I should, that is mostly due to the language barrier but also because I don't want to press her for clarification on answers I don't fully understand and seem controlling.
Having said that, I trust her, partly because she is the coolest thing ever, haha. I guess that means I'm smitten. I hope so. Being smitten is fun. She is paying for everything on her side regarding the visa. I have promised to pay for her plane ticket.
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Dude
One key thing Immigration looks for is "Has she ever been abroad and returned before." The more often and further abroad the better. And if she has ever overstayed a visa, that is a huge negative.
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Dude
You are making this TOO complicated.
Either you are bringing her over on a fiancé visa, or a tourist visa.
DO NOT mix the two up. Not ever. That is when you tell lies.
If you are bringing her as a tourist then bring her as a tourist. Set up a a couple of 'mini' tours for her. With a place to stay in the middle. 3 day tour of Frisco, 2 weeks with a friend, and 2 days in LA and a flight home to Russia.
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She had her interview at the consulate and her visa was denied. I am not sure if they gave her specific reasons, but I think it was because of the reasons raised here, mainly that her ties to Ukraine were not strong enough. Having said that, I don't think she had much control over the tone of the interview, so perhaps she wasn't able to emphasize what her ties are, or maybe they just weren't strong enough in the interviewers view. She has traveled quite a bit, but I don't think she has ever visited a Western country.
So now we are discussing me visiting her later this year.
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Sorry to hear this news.