Before i did any of this we really talked for a long time skype , cam, mails, I know each other for 2 years,.. I did not visit as i (and she) was involved with someone else at the time and we were just good friends,.., now we both were free and i decided to meet her...I totally wasnt expecting this, I am totally surprised.
Before i did any of this we really talked for a long time skype , cam, mails, I know each other for 2 years,.. I did not visit as i (and she) was involved with someone else at the time and we were just good friends,.., now we both were free and i decided to meet her...I totally wasnt expecting this, I am totally surprised.
Well firstly. the court will take into account your real communication. and it means that you were familiar with. want to punish? and there is a place of the offense? someone forced you to send money? or demanded by blackmail? I think not. But of course you can punish. Only there is no guarantee that you will win this case. Only moral fright will. and no more than a big waste of money on your part.
it is equally in both Russia and Ukraine.
You sent the money, you made a gift, your choice, your outcome.
Setting aside any possibility of criminal action you did a silly thing, sent a small amount of money to a stranger. Take responsibility for your actions and don't repeat the mistake.
How much are we talking about?Hi Luke, I am trying to use "search" function on this site , because i am sure I am not the first one talking about this.
Before i did any of this we really talked for a long time skype , cam, mails, I know each other for 2 years,.. I did not visit as i (and she) was involved with someone else at the time and we were just good friends,.., now we both were free and i decided to meet her...I totally wasnt expecting this, I am totally surprised.
Well firstly. the court will take into account your real communication. and it means that you were familiar with. want to punish? and there is a place of the offense? someone forced you to send money? or demanded by blackmail? I think not. But of course you can punish. Only there is no guarantee that you will win this case. Only moral fright will. and no more than a big waste of money on your part.
it is equally in both Russia and Ukraine.
Well scamming is never about putting a gun to someone head and get money,..,its getting money by defraud so the term "force" (your quote) is a bit silly as it is never the case with internet scams.
Again i ask here a simple question and this is for Russia because Ukraine have different laws,
http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm (http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm)
Some links here are broken, does someone know how to start criminal complaint,.., I know Putin signed a special law making date-scamming a punishable offense by 5 years.., it is some time ago i read this on the internet but i am sure of my memory..
Again if someone can provide links, i would be very greatfull.
Firstly what sum of money are you talking about?
Firstly what sum of money are you talking about?
Firstly what sum of money are you talking about?
well Above 3000 usd. ( current conversion rate with euro approx 1.4)
What would be considered scamming if this is clearly not a scam according to you Manny.
Thanks for answering this specific question Manny if you can.
He got "took" for 2 schengen "fees" and 2 return "air tickets"; Mother and child.
He obviously thought 3K was reasonable for that, and paid.
L4L, mate, I know nothing about the links you mention.
It will cost you more than 3K legally to try what? Punish her?
You got burnt, consider it a much cheaper lesson in life than a bad marriage, divorce, financial settlement, and the possible loss of a child.
I understand you thought you "knew" her after 2 years communication, but you did not! You broke the cardinal rule ....... Do NOT send money to women you are not in a real life relationship with. You could have bought air tickets yourself over the internet with your CC, and cancelled them. Result.....you get the money back, not her winning the lottery!
Many of us made mistakes in the past, many here have lost money to agencies, scammers etc. We are telling you to move on and learn. Seeking revenge will take months/years of your life you could spend focussing on a real relationship.
"You could have bought air tickets yourself over the internet with your CC, and cancelled them. Result.....you get the money back, not her winning the lottery!"
Council first.
consultation with a lawyer of his country
Council second
hire a lawyer in Russia (and it is very expensive and plus aggression against America for Ukrainian policy)
I'm the "kneejerk" who assumed you were American, as you quoted a price in US dollars.I postfixed with ( current conversion rate with euro approx 1.4)
Council first.
consultation with a lawyer of his country
Council second
hire a lawyer in Russia (and it is very expensive and plus aggression against America for Ukrainian policy)
America doesn't come into this, the guy is European.
A lawyer in his own country is equally useless.
If he wants to sue someone in Russia, he hires a Russian lawyer. If he ever got a judgement, he'll never see the money. He will simply have an expensive piece of paper in a language he cant read. As $3k seems a lot to him, he wont pay Russian court fees to prove a point will he?
I doubt a Russian court would be very sympathetic anyway.
He is angry because he knows he did a silly thing. Normal reaction I suppose for some.
A better question to L4L is why when he is in Europe himself did he not get himself on a plane to there sometime in the last two years?
No, I don't understand why you didn't get off your lounge and go to her since you live in Europe :'(
Go in peace man, no one here wishes you any further harm, but we hope you learn and get over your anger :popcorn:
I do not understand why you, people attacking Looking4Love. He is the VICTIM here. Yes, he was scammed. Simple! She was a scammer and was dishonesty about going to meet him when it was never in her plans
YES, LOOKING4LOVE WAS SCAMMED!
I know, Looking4Love shouldn't have send the money before the initial meeting, and most importantly, he should have gone to Ufa to meet her in the initial meeting!
He got punishment for sending her the money.
It is not the question about him being native. He wanted to know about the legal side. There should be some legal to file complaint against the scammer. If he has many evidence to show, as well as his bank account money transfer, then he should have a case.
YOU, MEMBERS, would you prefer the scammers to win everytime, and get away with it. All the scammers should be stopped, but many of you are too lazy to fight especially when many of you had scammed in the past.
I do not understand why you, people attacking Looking4Love. He is the VICTIM here. Yes, he was scammed. Simple! She was a scammer and was dishonesty about going to meet him when it was never in her plans
YES, LOOKING4LOVE WAS SCAMMED!
I know, Looking4Love shouldn't have send the money before the initial meeting, and most importantly, he should have gone to Ufa to meet her in the initial meeting!
He got punishment for sending her the money.
It is not the question about him being native. He wanted to know about the legal side. There should be some legal to file complaint against the scammer. If he has many evidence to show, as well as his bank account money transfer, then he should have a case.
YOU, MEMBERS, would you prefer the scammers to win everytime, and get away with it. All the scammers should be stopped, but many of you are too lazy to fight especially when many of you had scammed in the past.
yes maybe I should have went to UFA, and if found out it was not serious, I would have lost some vacation days and of course maybe half of the money in travel and expenses. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufa)
wovo: I can understand you about it, but still save $3,000!!
1500 usd i think. 1200 euros. But indeed you are right, Russia is dirt cheap, I think this amount was like a years salary for her. Stupid to trust her with that.
You plan B sounds cool approuch, I tried..., visit many, but i end up not making a choice))) . I had 4 girls visiting me in Lux,.., (long weekends) it all worked out. But it seems they were more interested in travel then in meeting me.
Will look into the cycling tour)).
Anyway, you would have saved your money if you had travelled to Ufa. No $100 visa fees daily and no return plane fare for her child.
:offtopic: You would have saved $2,000 and use that money to hire a hitman to have her killed LOL
Being a gentleman, it is required for all men to travel to meet the ladies' country in the initial meeting - without any excuses.
Anyway, you would have saved your money if you had travelled to Ufa. No $100 visa fees daily and no return plane fare for her child.
:offtopic: You would have saved $2,000 and use that money to hire a hitman to have her killed LOL
Being a gentleman, it is required for all men to travel to meet the ladies' country in the initial meeting - without any excuses.
Sorry but Bull $hit. I guess if you are meeting a child you might be correct. By the time my wife and I decided to meet (after 5 months of chatting each day for up to 3 hours at a time) we decided to meet in Rome. I have now been married for over 6 years.
I invited to Lux, because,...well, its best country in European space,..well, maybe, Monaco and Switzerland rank above.
There was all kinds of weird drama and discussion popping up, So i suspected she wanted to start a shitstorm and find reason not to come
Anyway, i just said, listen, we not even met and we already do this just after you get th emoney, I think better we call off the whole thing and sned me back the money
Hi folks,
I have been chatting with a women for some time, i thought i knew her,.., and i send her money for Shengen visa for her and her child ,to meet me this summer.
After she got the money (I used real bankaccount not WU). There was all kinds of weird drama and discussion popping up, So i suspected she wanted to start a shitstorm and find reason not to come
Anyway, i just said, listen, we not even met and we already do this just after you get th emoney, I think better we call off the whole thing and sned me back the money
She is keeping the money for sure,.., its quite a lot as she lives in Ufa city...and it was travel money to cover the expense.
I read about filing a criminal complaint as Russia seems to crack down on scammers..., is this so,.., I am looking on how to do this there is a website
http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm
But some linsk dont work, I thought i would ask the experts here where I could do such a thing
Anyway, you would have saved your money if you had travelled to Ufa. No $100 visa fees daily and no return plane fare for her child.
:offtopic: You would have saved $2,000 and use that money to hire a hitman to have her killed LOL
Being a gentleman, it is required for all men to travel to meet the ladies' country in the initial meeting - without any excuses.
Sorry but Bull $hit. I guess if you are meeting a child you might be correct. By the time my wife and I decided to meet (after 5 months of chatting each day for up to 3 hours at a time) we decided to meet in Rome. I have now been married for over 6 years.
Congrats,.., his was my idea aswell, ,...,I invited to Lux, because,...well, its most boring country in European space,..well, maybe, Monaco and Switzerland rank above.
There was no indication she would do this at all. and I guess you aslo payed for her EU visa since the destination was Rome????
You trusted her and you had every reason to trust her.
Its night so al the trolls come out))
You have offered all expenses paid trips to Luxemburg to 4 women and are surprised that all they were interested in was the holiday and not you??
I had fun, they had fun, they were absoluutly gorgeous)) was a fair deal). I dont expect Ukrainian women to pay for Shengen+flights to Lux or Swiss, I wish Living in EU was as cheap as turkey, but it is not. That is why you see more Natashas in turky then in Luxembourg. Its not to put down your country, its just how it is.
"..Seek a relationship with a woman from your own culture..."
Funny you give out advice you yourself didnt follow..., its like a fat guy writing a diet book.
"..The problem is your stupidity .."
Silly attempt at insulting is an ego boost?) Sad.., you might want to seek councel on this one.
Retaining councel is never a bad idea!
Retaining councel is never a bad idea!
Not if a retainer goes with it.
If she ends up with a permanent criminal record, thats good enough for me))) ..."
Anyway, you would have saved your money if you had travelled to Ufa. No $100 visa fees daily and no return plane fare for her child.
:offtopic: You would have saved $2,000 and use that money to hire a hitman to have her killed LOL
Being a gentleman, it is required for all men to travel to meet the ladies' country in the initial meeting - without any excuses.
Sorry but Bull $hit. I guess if you are meeting a child you might be correct. By the time my wife and I decided to meet (after 5 months of chatting each day for up to 3 hours at a time) we decided to meet in Rome. I have now been married for over 6 years.
Congrats,.., his was my idea aswell, ,...,I invited to Lux, because,...well, its best country in European space,..well, maybe, Monaco and Switzerland rank above.
There was no indication she would do this at all. and I guess you aslo payed for her EU visa since the destination was Rome????
You trusted her and you had every reason to trust her.
Retaining councel is never a bad idea!
Not if a retainer goes with it.
*facepalm*
L4L funny how everyone who does not agree with you is a troll or not reading.
Maybe you should do some time reading here instead of whining about your
mistakes. You made some big ones, now your trying to find a way to blame the girl.
Personally, I hope you not only retain counsel, I hope you update us with how it goes,
been awhile since we had some good humorous reading. Lawyers in Russia are going to
love you :chuckle:
tiphatL4L funny how everyone who does not agree with you is a troll or not reading.
Maybe you should do some time reading here instead of whining about your
mistakes. You made some big ones, now your trying to find a way to blame the girl.
Personally, I hope you not only retain counsel, I hope you update us with how it goes,
been awhile since we had some good humorous reading. Lawyers in Russia are going to
love you :chuckle:
I used to not like you but now I want to be friends.
tiphatL4L funny how everyone who does not agree with you is a troll or not reading.
Maybe you should do some time reading here instead of whining about your
mistakes. You made some big ones, now your trying to find a way to blame the girl.
Personally, I hope you not only retain counsel, I hope you update us with how it goes,
been awhile since we had some good humorous reading. Lawyers in Russia are going to
love you :chuckle:
I used to not like you but now I want to be friends.
I was scammed, can i file a criminal complaint with Russian authorities?
Have you obtained the necessary forms?
You must be able to demonstrate that a crime has indeed been committed.
This site except for selfrighteous trolling explicitly misreading or denigrading, is not really helpfull
QuoteThis site except for selfrighteous trolling explicitly misreading or denigrading, is not really helpfull
Actually it is extremely helpful
lol
Seriously, you live in Luxembourg and you talked for 2 years and still didn't visit as soon as you were free to do so? Seriously?
Sheesh, you deserved everything you got.Ah yes,. typical white knight pussypassing. The scammer is the victim here.
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that poor woman you screwed over.
I think you're lazy for not travelling to see her and may have unrealistically high opinions of yourself.
This is what i mean by people not being factual.
I really have to go back and quote that we were good friends for some years, at the time we both were in a relationship.?
Maybe you think it is ok to cheat?
Is there something i wrote in bold that doesnt register? please re-read.
Since all your conjecture is based on "i am to lazy to visit her" yes it is non factual because...well you dont really read what i write and just make up stuff.
I think you're lazy for not travelling to see her and may have unrealistically high opinions of yourself.
This is what i mean by people not being factual.
I really have to go back and quote that we were good friends for some years, at the time we both were in a relationship.?
Maybe you think it is ok to cheat?
Is there something i wrote in bold that doesnt register? please re-read.
Since all your conjecture is based on "i am to lazy to visit her" yes it is non factual because...well you dont really read what i write and just make up stuff.
You might have been a loyal partner but you still had time to import 4 other women for your own amusement at some stage. Don't assume we're all zipped up the back.
@Maxx,
I am real sorry someone screwed you over that bad, now you feel others have to suffer aswell.
@Maxx,
I am real sorry someone screwed you over that bad, now you feel others have to suffer aswell.
Over the years I have learned to spot the sickos from the true victims.
@Maxx,
I am real sorry someone screwed you over that bad, now you feel others have to suffer aswell.
Over the years I have learned to spot the sickos from the true victims.
I dont think
lol
Seriously, you live in Luxembourg and you talked for 2 years and still didn't visit as soon as you were free to do so? Seriously?
Well if you can read this, then you also read that we didnt meet because we both were in a relationship and were good friends, (we are both single now),..,talking about our lives etc.
This is what i mean with people just trolling. You want me to cheat on my (at the time) current relationship?
QuoteSheesh, you deserved everything you got.Ah yes,. typical white knight pussypassing. The scammer is the victim here.
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that poor woman you screwed over.
I think you're lazy for not travelling to see her and may have unrealistically high opinions of yourself.
This is what i mean by people not being factual.
I really have to go back and quote that we were good friends for some years, at the time we both were in a relationship.?
Maybe you think it is ok to cheat?
Is there something i wrote in bold that doesnt register? please re-read.
Since all your conjecture is based on "i am to lazy to visit her" yes it is non factual because...well you dont really read what i write and just make up stuff.
You might have been a loyal partner but you still had time to import 4 other women for your own amusement at some stage. Don't assume we're all zipped up the back.
Wow you are reading,? Well at least there is some progress,.. when single i can date whoever i want. Since this happened recently and I had to wait for her to have vacation( she is schoolteacher) I waited untill she decided she wanted to see me.
The forum started out with "you not going to get your money back" but i stick with my guns and She came around (because of legal threats on my side)
and now she is offering to pay me back at least 1050 euro of the 2500 she received, supposedly the 1500 was used for a 'vacation' she immediately booked. She is offering to pay these back in instalments.
So countraty to advice givin here, I am making headway,.., looking for legal advice now...., probably i would be made out some kind of evil child-orphan-hater by many because i didnt sponsers Mendys pet charity.
"..Both of which would be vastly cheaper, simpler and more man-like behaviour than getting her to drag her child to your country..."
True, i wanted to use a desperate mother for hot sex :D Thats what you are hinting right?
"..Both of which would be vastly cheaper, simpler and more man-like behaviour than getting her to drag her child to your country..."
True, i wanted to use a desperate mother for hot sex :D Thats what you are hinting right?
Who is hinting? If it comes across as that, I'm sorry as I mean to be direct when I say you were stupid and lazy, you're behaving like an arsehole and, to top it off, you're trying to intimidate a woman using threats of lawyers (what other threats have you used I wonder?). By almost any FSUW standards that money you gave away to her was justified payment - after all, you called it off. I'm guessing that from her perspective for you had no justifiable cause to either.
... looking for legal advice now....
... looking for legal advice now....
In the absence of a written agreement that you will receive a refund, in the event that you cancel the visit, you are entitled to nothing.
This situation is easy to call because your comment about the distance (a short hop, by my standards) and childish requests to cancel your membership (yet continue to make whiny posts) identify you as a world-class embarrassment to your gender. If anything the girl should be entitled to damages for being exposed to you.
You should consider joining the Men Who Crochet Forum; it would be a much better match for you.
Short hop?
holy..so you live in NY and your wife is from Almati,wowow.
Ok,...i get it No, you don't get it.
1) You are very rich (huge economic disparity)
2) Age difference is off the scale of all decency
[3) You are not a pusillanimous twit.]
I dont know you, but I am guessing I am spot [on]!
"You should consider joining the Men Who Crochet Forum;"
In phsychiatry [sic] they call this "projection"..., this is actually a commont [sic] about you right?
Hi folks,For someone from Luxembourg you should be ashamed you don't know how to spell Schengen!
I have been chatting with a women for some time, i thought i knew her,.., and i send her money for Shengen visa for her and her child ,to meet me this summer.
After she got the money (I used real bankaccount not WU). There was all kinds of weird drama and discussion popping up, So i suspected she wanted to start a shitstorm and find reason not to come
Anyway, i just said, listen, we not even met and we already do this just after you get th emoney, I think better we call off the whole thing and sned me back the money
She is keeping the money for sure,.., its quite a lot as she lives in Ufa city...and it was travel money to cover the expense.
I read about filing a criminal complaint as Russia seems to crack down on scammers..., is this so,.., I am looking on how to do this there is a website
http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm
But some linsk dont work, I thought i would ask the experts here where I could do such a thing
Cheers.
For someone from Luxembourg you should be ashamed you don't know how to spell Schengen!
@Tom,
Looking in the deep hinterlands for a wife means rich+huge age difference.
20 years? 30 years? diff
Good for you, but dont call everybody else ".. world-class embarrassment to your gender.." for trying not to exploit women like that.
@Tom,
Looking in the deep hinterlands for a wife means rich+huge age difference.
20 years? 30 years? diff
Good for you, but dont call everybody else ".. world-class embarrassment to your gender.." for trying not to exploit women like that.
You asked about deleting your account; here's your answer: log out, go away and don't come back. There is nothing for you here anyway.
MM must have hit a nerve somewhere..but you are right..,I think this website doesnt allow people to unsubscribe to keep membership levels artificially high
Its night so al the trolls come out))
You have offered all expenses paid trips to Luxemburg to 4 women and are surprised that all they were interested in was the holiday and not you??
I had fun, they had fun, they were absoluutly gorgeous)) was a fair deal). I dont expect Ukrainian women to pay for Shengen+flights to Lux or Swiss, I wish Living in EU was as cheap as turkey, but it is not. That is why you see more Natashas in turky then in Luxembourg. Its not to put down your country, its just how it is.
Now you want to persue this woman to get your money back -
If she ends up with a permanent criminal record, thats good enough for me))) Also she will serve as an example in her community not to :censored: with men like that!
"..Seek a relationship with a woman from your own culture..."
Funny you give out advice you yourself didnt follow..., its like a fat guy writing a diet book giving weight loss advice. :ROFL:
"..The problem is your stupidity .."
Silly attempt at insulting is an ego boost?) Sad.., you might want to seek councel on this one.
The guys a dodo, he'll be going the same way soon.
And where the :censored: is Luxembourg, anyway?
Why are you still here? You've repeatedly posted about deleting your profile so bog off and be done with you.And where the :censored: is Luxembourg, anyway?
How is this on topic, or is this another silly attempt at degrading and trolling?
OK So i am back at our house in the south of Russia at the moment.. so i will see tonight if i can shed any light on your plight when our Friend (an Advocaat/ prosecutor) arrives for dinner tonight, he is a good friend and was my russian best man at our weddingPm me) thanks
HTH
My guess L4L is confined to a wheelchair living on Social Security income. Hence the reasons why he is obsessed with getting his paltry little sum of money back and his inability to travel to places without wheel chair ramps.
Why are you still here? You've repeatedly posted about deleting your profile so bog off and be done with you.And where the :censored: is Luxembourg, anyway?
How is this on topic, or is this another silly attempt at degrading and trolling?
Why are you still here? You've repeatedly posted about deleting your profile so bog off and be done with you.And where the :censored: is Luxembourg, anyway?
How is this on topic, or is this another silly attempt at degrading and trolling?
reeeeeead ==>I am going to repeat myself (yawn) I cant delete my profile, i think no-one can, its just a trick to keep membership levels artificial high
for the interest of the forum i will post my findings on here just in case someone else does find themselves in the same situation tiphat
for the interest of the forum i will post my findings on here just in case someone else does find themselves in the same situation tiphat
for the interest of the forum i will post my findings on here just in case someone else does find themselves in the same situation tiphat
findings?, Oh I thought you would actually put me in contact with a lawyer.
QuoteThis site except for selfrighteous trolling explicitly misreading or denigrading, is not really helpfull
Actually it is extremely helpful
Not being factual is helpfull? well thats a first
Update,
I am making some headway,.., she agreed to pay me the money back in installments as she has already spend most of the money (she claimed) riiiight.
It took some quoting from previous emails to make the point it was not "a gift". I nailed that one!! Took some time to plough trough our conversations
She is trying to turn this into a loan interest free..., seems, sticking to your guns did work dispite the useless advice i get from this site.
for the interest of the forum i will post my findings on here just in case someone else does find themselves in the same situation tiphat
findings?, Oh I thought you would actually put me in contact with a lawyer.
Good example of his nipping the hand that might feed him.
There's no other explanation for being such an idiot, unless he's trolling himself.
It would be poetic if sparky puts this guy in touch with a Russia Mafia goon who runs scam agencies.
There's no other explanation for being such an idiot, unless he's trolling himself.
Perhaps his mum doted on him way too much.
There's no other explanation for being such an idiot, unless he's trolling himself.
Perhaps his mum doted on him way too much.
And cultivated another man boy who can't handle responsibility or criticism.
There's no other explanation for being such an idiot, unless he's trolling himself.
Perhaps his mum doted on him way too much.
And cultivated another man boy who can't handle responsibility or criticism.
Real man dont take scammer bullshit up the ass! and real men dont marry women 30+ years younger than them
Thats true,.., it takes men like "Benjamin Franklin" to do it.There's no other explanation for being such an idiot, unless he's trolling himself.
Perhaps his mum doted on him way too much.
And cultivated another man boy who can't handle responsibility or criticism.
Real man dont take scammer bullshit up the ass! and real men dont marry women 30+ years younger than them
It would take quite a man to keep a woman 30+ yrs younger.
You obviously missed the subtle nuances.....Obviously not! and you know it
I do? I learn something new everyday.You obviously missed the subtle nuances.....Obviously not! and you know it
Usually when you get help from others its courteous to sound appreciative. Here we have a chap who clicks his fingers and expects folk to run around after him.
L4L, I assume you're the one who's trolling here yea?
If not, it's bizarre how the various wack jobs who come and go share similar traits to one another.
Question: How old are you and how old was the woman in Ufa?
Did the child think she was coming for a visit or was she unaware of the upcoming trip?
Did the child think she was coming for a visit or was she unaware of the upcoming trip?
She knew
Did the child think she was coming for a visit or was she unaware of the upcoming trip?
She knew
I can imagine she must have been very excited about the trip. A shame things did not work out.
Do you think she was using her child as an accomplice in the scam then?
Did the child think she was coming for a visit or was she unaware of the upcoming trip?
She knew
I can imagine she must have been very excited about the trip. A shame things did not work out.
Do you think she was using her child as an accomplice in the scam then?
I cant read her mind, personally i think it didnt start out like that but the amount made her crazy its like 8 month salary for her! The kid bumped up the price. So maybe she was thinking about that aswell.
I will get everything back now, not worry, to avoid legal trouble, basicly i said I didnt care about the $$$ but would make sure she payed for :censored: ing me over. And she knows me for 2 years and yes, I payed to agencies for immeditae background check (offical registries) and showed her that I was doing this in preperation for legal action. I would easily spend a shitload to make her suffer for breaking my trust like that, and i would have enjoyed it too.
There is somewhere in a very dark place somthing that is actually sad that i didnt get to go to town on this one.
Edit: I am not a sleezy economic maxexploiter, thas :censored: ing sick bordering on pedofilia,
I saw a 60-70 year old man with a 35 year old women once in Minsk,.., i :censored: ing puked
... but I am not interested in maxploitation of economic value...
... well Above 3000 usd. ( current conversion rate with euro approx 1.4)
... its like 8 month salary for her!
... but I am not interested in maxploitation of economic value...... well Above 3000 usd. ( current conversion rate with euro approx 1.4)... its like 8 month salary for her!
@sparky,.., is there a national registry/regional registry for lawyers?
Looks like suing a woman from one's wank chariot is much harder than one thought! :-\
You sent the money, you made a gift, your choice, your outcome.
Setting aside any possibility of criminal action you did a silly thing, sent a small amount of money to a stranger. Take responsibility for your actions and don't repeat the mistake.
I dont know how trolling is helpfull. and you are not interested in Russian law protecting people like me from scamming, the law says she is responsible! I dont think i made a mistake, this can happen to anyone who has build up a good rapor with a women over several years. The law exist to protect people against fraud,scam, etc.
It would be very nice if someone could link to the procedure or website describing the process of filing a criminal complaint in this context.
I dont see how offtangent accusations are helpfull.
I will get everything back now, not worry, to avoid legal trouble, basicly i said I didnt care about the $$$ but would make sure she payed for :censored: ing me over.
Looks like suing a woman from one's wank chariot is much harder than one thought! :-\
How is making stuff up usefull?
I will get everything back now, not worry, to avoid legal trouble, basicly i said I didnt care about the $$$ but would make sure she payed for :censored: ing me over.
You've just relieved her of any obligation to pay you back and you've threatened her. Now the potential criminal offense is on you.
Smart move!
I will get everything back now, not worry, to avoid legal trouble, basicly i said I didnt care about the $$$ but would make sure she payed for :censored: ing me over.
You've just relieved her of any obligation to pay you back and you've threatened her. Now the potential criminal offense is on you.
Smart move!
Good point!
Game over, case closed.
Danchik, I don't think I recognise the fellow but he is far from the first of his type.
Is it me, or does anyone else think this guy has been around this forum before under a different name?
Is it me, or does anyone else think this guy has been around this forum before under a different name?The attitude is very similar to a deranged Dutch guy (Spyker?)
Is it me, or does anyone else think this guy has been around this forum before under a different name?How would a currupt system not work towards my advantage?
Nevertheless, that aside, L4L, do you realize what country you're dealing with?
Let me give you an example. ..bla bla
... and i could not live with myself being a maxploiter.
How do you manage to southe your conscience as a maxploiter?... and i could not live with myself being a maxploiter.
Is it me, or does anyone else think this guy has been around this forum before under a different name?
Funny forum, with so much dysfunction I can only wonder how you guys ties you shoes.
Sometimes normal people stumble into the troll-den.Is it me, or does anyone else think this guy has been around this forum before under a different name?
You read my mind Dan.
Funny forum, with so much dysfunction I can only wonder how you guys ties you shoes.
We can, because our hands are not otherwise engaged counting money to send to women in other countries.
TomT will probably remember...
So its possible to maxploit in the West, but that takes good genes and high IQ.
So its possible to maxploit in the West, but that takes good genes and high IQ.
Having reached that conclusion I take it that you are looking for a somewhat homely woman who is a tad older than yourself?
Perhaps we can start a trend to change our user names to Maxploitation or Maxploiter.
Maxx would have a good start on that handle. Now if we could just get him searching in the 18 to 21 year old range.
L4L, my wife's mom and grandmother are single?????
Whoooosh!
The sound of a point being missed as it flies over one's head. ;)
So,
you feel it is a scam,and depending on her initial intent it could be.
It shouldn't be extremely difficult to get a number for the local PD in Ufa.
Far easier than the time spent here asking?
[SNIP]
Either way your tale is interesting and I'd like to hear how it turns out.
So,
you feel it is a scam,and depending on her initial intent it could be.
It shouldn't be extremely difficult to get a number for the local PD in Ufa.
Far easier than the time spent here asking?
[SNIP]
Either way your tale is interesting and I'd like to hear how it turns out.
You ask a lot of question and assumption, but i am not going to repeat the whole story again, all have been answered,..,,.
Am I allowed to reply HAHA? Thought scammers were gone long ago?
all have been answered,..,,.
I want to tell a story from Holland specially for L4L
One day a guy from Holland which is very long in the search. Was acquainted with a lady . But the guy probably did not understand that Russian ladies are not so naive . His financial situation was dire and he decided to fix it via the Internet. He met a lady from Kiev. very long fooling promises. and tales of the rich life . actual course he lives in a posh house. which made 50% of his hands. But the lady realized his intent and run away from him . during dating . he gave an old family heirloom . But all said that he had been robbed . He gave gifts . give all that to show that he is not greedy. But his desire to constantly drink alcohol by account woman ? quickly put the record straight ... and then I needed help for a girl in Holland. and ... she was there with my eyes . She told me everything. our communication is not only evolved because I was not rich and demanded participation. Then the guy decided to punish the last ex-lady. He was eager to Kiev that would put up a fight . and pick up all the gifts. (it later I was talking to his ex- girlfriend ) He tried to write a letter to the prosecutor. then I just went off to the side. guy every day becomes inadequate in the desire to come to Ukraine and beat his ex-girlfriend .
As a result, the ex-girlfriend Man won the case only because he pursued her and always said it would sue. She returned to him these gifts from the old Turkish gold is not worth much. and received monetary compensation for moral damages.
L4L really your anger is so great that you do not understand that we have different laws? and all that you gave and gave really? can turn against you. You can only suffer for what just threatened to file for court
is the history of Ukraine. true. but for Russia it may be one-sided affair only because Russia is now very seriously opposed to the West and America because Ukraine wants to break with the Russian market.
I just do not see the sense in this act. only madness that would start a lawsuit in a political situation. other things it's up to you. if you have money and much and time? you can safely go into battle. But I think the result will be deplorable
@Bill "..I think you got off on the wrong foot arguing with everybody and taking offense. ."
Shaming tactic doesnt work so well for me, and i just received 1100 euro payback the other 1400 will be repayed in installments.
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
@Bill "..I think you got off on the wrong foot arguing with everybody and taking offense. ."
Shaming tactic doesnt work so well for me, and i just received 1100 euro payback the other 1400 will be repayed in installments.
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
Wow, on Friday you announced that she agreed to pay you back and today on Sunday you already received 1400 euros? How did she get that money to you so fast? I didn't know there was a service out there that was that quick, especially over a weekend.
It took me 4 days to get money wired from Canada to a Ukraine bank.
Even Western Union took 2 days for some reason.... then she had to go back the next day because the outlet she went to didn't have enough money on hand to pay her the $800.00. (:)
@Bill "..I think you got off on the wrong foot arguing with everybody and taking offense. ."
Shaming tactic doesnt work so well for me
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
It took me 4 days to get money wired from Canada to a Ukraine bank. Even Western Union took 2 days for some reason.... then she had to go back the next day because the outlet she went to didn't have enough money on hand to pay her the $800.00. (:)
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
It took me 4 days to get money wired from Canada to a Ukraine bank. Even Western Union took 2 days for some reason.... then she had to go back the next day because the outlet she went to didn't have enough money on hand to pay her the $800.00. (:)
Moneygram takes 5 minutes. I can send Tanya money to one of dozens of locations in Ufa and she can have it in her hands in the time it takes her to drive there once I press Enter. Pretty handy.
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
I have a feeling that the current difficulties there and newly implemented 'taxes' on bank transactions might prove costly. It seems that the junta is now taking a 15% rake on all deposits unless they can be proven to have already been taxed through the central government (ie as wages with normal income and social taxes deducted)
Forum life mimics life in the real world
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
Don't lie, even though it's part of your nature to do so. You repeatedly insisted that you don't engage in economic exploitation but you revealed yourself to have done so. You focus on rhetoric to justify your antisocial behavior and greatly underestimate the sophistication of the audience to see through your disingenuity, greatly overestimate your ability to deceive, or a combination of both. Forum life mimics life in the real world because, once someone establishes himself as a liar, people make the tacit assumption that everything that he presents is a lie.
@Bill "..I think you got off on the wrong foot arguing with everybody and taking offense. ."
Shaming tactic doesnt work so well for me, and i just received 1100 euro payback the other 1400 will be repayed in installments.
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
Wow, on Friday you announced that she agreed to pay you back and today on Sunday you already received 1400 euros? How did she get that money to you so fast? I didn't know there was a service out there that was that quick, especially over a weekend.
After talking to a couple of lawyer friends it seems there was indeed something L4L could have done in his situation. Yes, it would cost easily double the amount he sent, and the negative consequences to her would be minor even if she kept the money. Certainly not worth the trouble nor would it result in the "vengeance" he desired.
I'm glad it didn't have to come to that for everyone concerned, especially for the girl. And even though I thought about posting the channels he could go through to satisfy his problem. I decided not to because, well, he showed himself to be a tool.
For myself, I have now moved over to www.transferwise.com for these transactions with payments into my local bank account, or that of my chosen recipient being possible the same day, or overnight. I'd suggest it for use in Ukraine for dollar transactions but I have a feeling that the current difficulties there and newly implemented 'taxes' on bank transactions might prove costly. It seems that the junta is now taking a 15% rake on all deposits unless they can be proven to have already been taxed through the central government (ie as wages with normal income and social taxes deducted)
@Bill "..I think you got off on the wrong foot arguing with everybody and taking offense. ."
Shaming tactic doesnt work so well for me, and i just received 1100 euro payback the other 1400 will be repayed in installments.
What advice should I have taken from the residential white knights?
Wow, on Friday you announced that she agreed to pay you back and today on Sunday you already received 1400 euros? How did she get that money to you so fast? I didn't know there was a service out there that was that quick, especially over a weekend.
you already received 1400 euros? You cant even read 2 lines you quoted from me in your own reply,?
Yes , money transfer system is a bit more primitive in the US then in most places.
It took me 4 days to get money wired from Canada to a Ukraine bank. Even Western Union took 2 days for some reason.... then she had to go back the next day because the outlet she went to didn't have enough money on hand to pay her the $800.00. (:)
Moneygram takes 5 minutes. I can send Tanya money to one of dozens of locations in Ufa and she can have it in her hands in the time it takes her to drive there once I press Enter. Pretty handy.
It took me 4 days to get money wired from Canada to a Ukraine bank. Even Western Union took 2 days for some reason.... then she had to go back the next day because the outlet she went to didn't have enough money on hand to pay her the $800.00. (:)
Moneygram takes 5 minutes. I can send Tanya money to one of dozens of locations in Ufa and she can have it in her hands in the time it takes her to drive there once I press Enter. Pretty handy.
I wish I knew all of this 3 years ago when I was sending money to Iryna, I didn't know there was ways this fast to send money over there. Especially on non business days like weekends. Good to know, thanks.
L4L, I don't believe that you got any money back...
.L4L, I don't believe that you got any money back...I don't believe him either; his oblique, evasive answers are hallmarks of dishonesty.
".. where did I say I was from the US?.."
Well, you know what they say...if it walks like a duck...
@Bill "..Your ability to incorrectly analyze information and advice is astonishing. .."
YouR lack of reading comprehension is not my concern.
".. where did I say I was from the US?.."
Well, you know what they say...if it walks like a duck...
Well, if we are using that line of reasoning then based on your posts
Hi folks,
I have been chatting with a women for some time, i thought i knew her,.., and i send her money for Shengen visa for her and her child ,to meet me this summer.
After she got the money (I used real bankaccount not WU). There was all kinds of weird drama and discussion popping up, So i suspected she wanted to start a shitstorm and find reason not to come
Anyway, i just said, listen, we not even met and we already do this just after you get th emoney, I think better we call off the whole thing and sned me back the money
She is keeping the money for sure,.., its quite a lot as she lives in Ufa city...and it was travel money to cover the expense.
I read about filing a criminal complaint as Russia seems to crack down on scammers..., is this so,.., I am looking on how to do this there is a website
http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm
But some linsk dont work, I thought i would ask the experts here where I could do such a thing
Cheers.
Hi folks,
I have been chatting with a women for some time, i thought i knew her,.., and i send her money for Shengen visa for her and her child ,to meet me this summer.
After she got the money (I used real bankaccount not WU). There was all kinds of weird drama and discussion popping up, So i suspected she wanted to start a shitstorm and find reason not to come
Anyway, i just said, listen, we not even met and we already do this just after you get th emoney, I think better we call off the whole thing and sned me back the money
She is keeping the money for sure,.., its quite a lot as she lives in Ufa city...and it was travel money to cover the expense.
I read about filing a criminal complaint as Russia seems to crack down on scammers..., is this so,.., I am looking on how to do this there is a website
http://www.russian-dating-scams.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm
But some linsk dont work, I thought i would ask the experts here where I could do such a thing
Cheers.
Now that more is known about the OP, the situation described in his opening post becomes clear: after he sent the money, HE got weird and controlling because he felt that he had bought an economically compromised girl. She had the good sense to have second thoughts about wasting her time with the obnoxious bugger.
Now that more is known about the OP, the situation described in his opening post becomes clear: after he sent the money, HE got weird and controlling because he felt that he had bought an economically compromised girl. She had the good sense to have second thoughts about wasting her time with the obnoxious bugger.
Now that more is known about the OP, the situation described in his opening post becomes clear: after he sent the money, HE got weird and controlling because he felt that he had bought an economically compromised girl. She had the good sense to have second thoughts about wasting her time with the obnoxious bugger.
And she not only got out of being one of several imported playthings of this bloke, but got a few quid for her trouble as well. Clever woman.
Looks like the OP is bitching because he was outsmarted.
Looks like the OP is bitching because he was outsmarted.
Looks like the OP is bitching because he was outsmarted.
1) People tend to repeat what's on their minds and he repeated his maxploiter (sic) theme much too often.
2) His interaction with other members revealed him to be obnoxious and spiteful.
3) He displayed a superiority complex, even though no such superiority was in evidence.
4) Everyone who didn't agree with him is a "troll," as NS1 correctly pointed out.
5) His delete-my-profile tantrum was a classical example of drama-queen behavior.
6) He considers threats to be a normal part of interaction with the opposite gender.
7) He was surprised by her reluctance to visit because he lacks empathy, a hallmark of the antisocial.
No doubt, the girl saw some of these and other warning signs in the course of their communication, which intensified after he established ownership for the bargain-basement price of somewhat more than 3000 USD.
Looks like the OP is bitching because he was outsmarted.
1) People tend to repeat what's on their minds and he repeated his maxploiter (sic) theme much too often.
2) His interaction with other members revealed him to be obnoxious and spiteful.
3) He displayed a superiority complex, even though no such superiority was in evidence.
4) Everyone who didn't agree with him is a "troll," as NS1 correctly pointed out.
5) His delete-my-profile tantrum was a classical example of drama-queen behavior.
6) He considers threats to be a normal part of interaction with the opposite gender.
7) He was surprised by her reluctance to visit because he lacks empathy, a hallmark of the antisocial.
No doubt, the girl saw some of these and other warning signs in the course of their communication, which intensified after he established ownership for the bargain-basement price of somewhat more than 3000 USD.
Council first.
consultation with a lawyer of his country
Council second
hire a lawyer in Russia (and it is very expensive and plus aggression against America for Ukrainian policy)
America doesn't come into this, the guy is European.
A lawyer in his own country is equally useless.
If he wants to sue someone in Russia, he hires a Russian lawyer. If he ever got a judgement, he'll never see the money. He will simply have an expensive piece of paper in a language he cant read. As $3k seems a lot to him, he wont pay Russian court fees to prove a point will he?
I doubt a Russian court would be very sympathetic anyway.
He is angry because he knows he did a silly thing. Normal reaction I suppose for some.
A better question to L4L is why when he is in Europe himself did he not get himself on a plane to there sometime in the last two years?
I think no "delete profile" exist so Manny can claim he has xxx "members" while this is not the case. I can understand he needs to look good when selling advert real estate.
Go in peace man, no one here wishes you any further harm, but we hope you learn and get over your anger :popcorn:
Agree 100%. Lesson learned and he got off cheap. There are 1000's of person's every year who get scammed in money or marriage who wish they could push a magic button and have L4L problem instead. I am speaking from first hand experience here.
He will simply have an expensive piece of paper in a language he cant read. As $3k seems a lot to him, he wont pay Russian court fees to prove a point will he?
A better question to L4L is why when he is in Europe himself did he not get himself on a plane to there sometime in the last two years?
:-))))))))
After reading your comments here and on other threads (especially towards a specific FSU lady) where you lose control of your emotions and spout feces through the wrong orifice I can only come to one conclusion. You sir are what my British friends would call a " :censored: " in the truest form of the word when they use it as a grave insult. You may take out your white glove if you feel put upon...
Imagine how [SNIP nonsnese] That's why you can't delete yourself.
Udachi
Lot of forums can delete profiles, so this excuse is moot.
Lot of forums can delete profiles, so this excuse is moot.
Imagine how [SNIP nonsnese] That's why you can't delete yourself.
Udachi
Lot of forums can delete profiles, so this excuse is moot.
Account and post deletions.
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Your foolishness will remain here.
I am not optimistic you can control yourself in polite company.
You seem to purposly (sic) misread,.,