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Title: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Manny on February 20, 2016, 01:20:39 AM
An interesting titbit I found in an article:

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Demand among foreign travelers for trips to Russia increased by 30 percent during the 2016 summer season, according to a study by the Momondo reservation service.

According to the company's data, the highest number of bookings are now accounted for European travelers from the UK (demand has increased by 143.9 percent compared to the same period last year), Norway (+127.9 percent), Israel (+55.5 percent), Denmark (+37.9 percent) and Germany (+34.6 percent). The number of tourists arriving from the United States rose by 11 percent.

http://rbth.com/business/2016/02/19/demand-for-travel-to-russia-rises-by-30-among-european-tourists_569277
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 07:11:25 AM
An interesting titbit I found in an article:

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Demand among foreign travelers for trips to Russia increased by 30 percent during the 2016 summer season, according to a study by the Momondo reservation service.

According to the company's data, the highest number of bookings are now accounted for European travelers from the UK (demand has increased by 143.9 percent compared to the same period last year), Norway (+127.9 percent), Israel (+55.5 percent), Denmark (+37.9 percent) and Germany (+34.6 percent). The number of tourists arriving from the United States rose by 11 percent.

http://rbth.com/business/2016/02/19/demand-for-travel-to-russia-rises-by-30-among-european-tourists_569277

With the ruble being as weak as it is right now it certainly makes sense for European travelers who've wanted to visit St. Petersburg or any other major Russian city to take that trip.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Manny on February 20, 2016, 12:00:05 PM
An interesting titbit I found in an article:

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Demand among foreign travelers for trips to Russia increased by 30 percent during the 2016 summer season, according to a study by the Momondo reservation service.

According to the company's data, the highest number of bookings are now accounted for European travelers from the UK (demand has increased by 143.9 percent compared to the same period last year), Norway (+127.9 percent), Israel (+55.5 percent), Denmark (+37.9 percent) and Germany (+34.6 percent). The number of tourists arriving from the United States rose by 11 percent.

http://rbth.com/business/2016/02/19/demand-for-travel-to-russia-rises-by-30-among-european-tourists_569277

With the ruble being as weak as it is right now it certainly makes sense for European travelers who've wanted to visit St. Petersburg or any other major Russian city to take that trip.

It does. And now we don't have to trail down to London or up to Scotland for a visa, and can get one in Manchester, it has become so much easier.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Wiz on February 20, 2016, 07:47:39 PM
Manny

Can you imagine, if Russia had dropped the Visa requirement and local registration with the police, the number of people that would travel there?

Apart from Moscow and St Petersburg other places would also be visited too. Sochi of course with its new facilities could become a year round destination.

(http://travelchannel.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/travel/fullset/2013/11/15/bc/sochi-sights-beach.rend.tccom.616.347.jpeg)

See more here: Things to Do in Sochi, Russia (http://www.travelchannel.com/destinations/russia/articles/things-to-do-in-sochi-russia)

Personally, I could start, again, organising holidays down there, employing the services or our friend Moby and his woman!  ;D :ROFL:

Plenty of money to be made on a new destination with a climate like Turkey and Greece in the summer and nice, easily accessible snow in the winter.

This is from an article posted on Absurd Central Bank policies deepen Russia’s recession (http://www.awarablogs.com/absurd-central-bank-policies-deepen-russias-recession/)

The charade that Russia has not diversified

This betrays an interesting fact about the charade that Russia has not diversified its economy. How is that, not diversified when the country with 150 million people with a standard of living fit for developed countries live and function practically without imports? Russian industrial production is slightly down over the two years of crisis, but this is within the big frame of things only a small decrease, which merely reflects the slightly lower consumption. By and large, all the industries are functioning and developing, and this with minimal import inputs.

Obviously, the Russian economy is diversified, to a very big degree. The absurd claim that it would not be diversified is derived from something else namely, the fact that Russia’s exports are not as diversified as one would wish for. Having a diversified economy and having diversified exports are quite different things. – By the way, very few countries in the world have a diversified structure of exports. – And it is only natural that the first 15 years of Russia’s economic recovery has been devoted to satisfying the domestic needs, in due time the economic actors would then turn their surplus towards exports.

But the low levels of imports also reveal that the purchasing power of Russians have plummeted, the Central Banks interest rate policy has really managed to suffocate the economy.


If only Russian pride could let their leaders to see the true possibilities…. I am sure Russia would develop more facilities very fast, thus helping with more employment and plenty of additional reserves of foreign currency.
 
PS: If only we could speak to Putin for 10 minutes!
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2016, 02:41:55 AM
Apart from Moscow and St Petersburg other places would also be visited too. Sochi of course with its new facilities could become a year round destination.

Man that beach looks horrible, better goto Yevpatoria and its sandy clean beaches.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Manny on February 21, 2016, 10:22:23 AM
Can you imagine, if Russia had dropped the Visa requirement and local registration with the police, the number of people that would travel there?

It would fill up with American sex tourists as Ukraine did. We read here historically that the visa puts them off.

I support the idea of Russian visas generally, after all, we even need to endure a visa type process, and pay, to go to the US (they call it visa waiver but you must pay and get permission - so that will be a defacto visa then).

What I wanted was easier access to them and/or no visa required for certain classes of people. Well, 1/2 ain't bad.

employing the services or our friend Moby

Many here who have done business with him wouldn't recommend it. Caveat Emptor. Were it up to me, he wouldn't get a Russian visa at all.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Tom Cat on February 21, 2016, 10:54:55 AM



It would fill up with American sex tourists as Ukraine did. We read here historically that the visa puts them off.

Can't resist taking a cheap shot Manny?
From many of the threads here on RUA,  Americans tend to enjoy the shopping experience, with nothing more than a hug, or peck on the cheek for their efforts. :)

With the MOB, industry dead and gone in Russia, the only sex tourism would be with the local working girls
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Ste on February 21, 2016, 10:56:35 AM
I reckon the sudden increase is because I went last year.........
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Manny on February 21, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
From many of the threads here on RUA,  Americans tend to enjoy the shopping experience, with nothing more than a hug, or peck on the cheek. :)

Well that's true.  :chuckle:

I suppose they could enjoy the GUM centre with some arm candy after changing some dollars at a suitable rate.  :money:

But oh shucks, that call was from sick Granny...........
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 10:59:15 AM
Can you imagine, if Russia had dropped the Visa requirement and local registration with the police, the number of people that would travel there?

It would fill up with American sex tourists as Ukraine did. We read here historically that the visa puts them off.

I support the idea of Russian visas generally, after all, we even need to endure a visa type process, and pay, to go to the US (they call it visa waiver but you must pay and get permission - so that will be a defacto visa then).

What I wanted was easier access to them and/or no visa required for certain classes of people. Well, 1/2 ain't bad.

employing the services or our friend Moby

Many here who have done business with him wouldn't recommend it. Caveat Emptor. Were it up to me, he wouldn't get a Russian visa at all.

A letter of complaint to the Russian Embassy may be enough..
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: WestCoast on February 21, 2016, 11:14:03 AM

I support the idea of Russian visas generally,

Manny did you know there's another Stuart Smith who thinks the opposite of you? He contends that Russia needs to abolish the visa system to get more tourists into Russia to help significantly increase tourism revenue.

This other Stuart Smith thinks "Invitations and registration need to be scrapped altogether". He also says "the visa system needs urgent radical reform".

This other Stuart Smith sounds quite a bit different from what you're saying.  :laugh:

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-should-abolish-visas-eu-america-and-developed-world/ri9073
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: andrewfi on February 21, 2016, 11:20:16 AM

With the MOB, industry dead and gone in Russia, the only sex tourism would be with the local working girls

And that's not true in Ukraine?

Of course it is.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Ste on February 21, 2016, 11:43:41 AM
It's an interesting concept, that of nationhood, didn't really exist until about 1648 when the Peace of Westphalia established some sort of notion of nationhood. Prior to that people allied to a Monarch not a country as such.

Even the British Empire prior to 1949, the allegiance was to King-Emprorer/Queen-Empress not the UK, India or whatever - everyone was a British Subject not like now where we have British Citizen, British National Overseas, British Overseas Citizen, Citizen of the UK and Colonies etc....

My latest reading matter!!
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Wiz on February 21, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Apart from Moscow and St Petersburg other places would also be visited too. Sochi of course with its new facilities could become a year round destination.
Man that beach looks horrible, better goto Yevpatoria and its sandy clean beaches.

When tourism started increasing in Greece, back in the 60-70’ beaches and other accommodation/hotel… etc facilities where in a primitive stage and virginal. But as more tourists arrived, all the facilities started improving too….. Naturally that created a lot of jobs and plenty of money in the local economy and over the years, even now, still improving.

Same could easily happen all over Russia and the local people could get the taste of plenty foreigners bringing money. Sure the beaches, accommodation, transport, services etc would improve too! BTW today I was watching winter sports directly from Scochi…. On the BBC!:chuckle:

If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

Can you imagine, if Russia had dropped the Visa requirement and local registration with the police, the number of people that would travel there?
It would fill up with American sex tourists as Ukraine did. We read here historically that the visa puts them off.
What I wanted was easier access to them and/or no visa required for certain classes of people. Well, 1/2 ain't bad.
Rubbish, 80% of them have no passports..... and those andenturers we know, had to wait for 5 days before having their legs over and after visiting the local..... good shops for presents, if they were lucky! Russian women are more conservative when it comes to Sus-sex first time, comparing with Ukrainians, who are more Europeans in this subject, after going for a window shoping!  :nod: :laugh:

employing the services or our friend Moby
Many here who have done business with him wouldn't recommend it. Caveat Emptor. Were it up to me, he wouldn't get a Russian visa at all.
You missed my joke and irony!  :)
I think your wife, (despite she is Russian), has more sense of humour, than you!  :ROFL:

Finally and in reply to certain people who cannot read and understand “Your English”, I have to say, that for now you are happy to get ½ of what you are asking for, because you will have the new “Visa Centre” in Manchester, until one day they will change their rules in Russia.

I would be happy with a 5 year multi entry visa but is not available, now, and I am not going to bother for any other type of visa. We prefer to spend our money visiting European countries with our British passports and when Russia make life easier…then I will be joining my wife. For now she is better on her own visiting mama and I invite her here ……. For Christmas.  tiphat
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2016, 01:01:44 PM
I reckon the sudden increase is because I went last year.........
Or it could be that all those folks -like myself- with inlaws in Crimea are suddenly 'russian' tourists instead of ukrainian tourists.

Also funny thing I saw:

The entire circus which is built in Evpatoria has a totally dutch crew (except for ticket-sales who of course speak Russian).
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

The no-fly zone over Crimea has been lifted officially. But EU still pays kiev for passing Crimean airspace  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Manny on February 21, 2016, 01:24:52 PM

I support the idea of Russian visas generally,

Manny did you know there's another Stuart Smith who thinks the opposite of you? He contends that Russia needs to abolish the visa system to get more tourists into Russia to help significantly increase tourism revenue.

This other Stuart Smith thinks "Invitations and registration need to be scrapped altogether". He also says "the visa system needs urgent radical reform".

This other Stuart Smith sounds quite a bit different from what you're saying.  :laugh:

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-should-abolish-visas-eu-america-and-developed-world/ri9073

I wrote the article. Headline writers write headlines. A layperson might be forgiven for not knowing that.

You will observe in the copy I only suggest it should be easier; that the system needs reform; that the invitation and registration system is a relic of the USSR. I did not discuss scrapping visas altogether.

English is a tricky language till you get the hang of it, Westy.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: WestCoast on February 21, 2016, 01:42:47 PM

I support the idea of Russian visas generally,

Manny did you know there's another Stuart Smith who thinks the opposite of you? He contends that Russia needs to abolish the visa system to get more tourists into Russia to help significantly increase tourism revenue.

This other Stuart Smith thinks "Invitations and registration need to be scrapped altogether". He also says "the visa system needs urgent radical reform".

This other Stuart Smith sounds quite a bit different from what you're saying.  :laugh:

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-should-abolish-visas-eu-america-and-developed-world/ri9073

I wrote the article. Headline writers write headlines. A layperson might be forgiven for not knowing that.

You will observe in the copy I only suggest it should be easier; that the system needs reform; that the invitation and registration system is a relic of the USSR. I did not discuss scrapping visas altogether.

English is a tricky language till you get the hang of it, Westy.

Second paragraph:

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However, the current onerous requirements and unnecessary bureaucracy to obtain a visa to Russia has been holding Russian tourism back for many years. The current visa system is inconsistent, inconvenient, and puts many people off travelling to Russia. Visa registration once in-country, differs across Russia and can also prove cumbersome and problematical.

Sounds like a lot more than a suggestion.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: andrewfi on February 21, 2016, 01:47:18 PM

Westy, nothing that you pointed out suggests that there should be no visas, just a better system. For example, one might register a visa on arrival, much as the US does.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Ste on February 21, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

The no-fly zone over Crimea has been lifted officially. But EU still pays kiev for passing Crimean airspace  :ROFL:

MIL is coming over again to UK, but Nadia and her both want to go to Amsterdam, feck knows what happened but they've ended up with a Schengen visa appointment in Moscow, when they thought they'd chosen Eburg. Moscow is a bit far....

Got any advice on Dutch Schengen visa app process from Urals!!!???

MIL still has a valid UK visit visa so we are covered for that bit.

Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

The no-fly zone over Crimea has been lifted officially. But EU still pays kiev for passing Crimean airspace  :ROFL:

MIL is coming over again to UK, but Nadia and her both want to go to Amsterdam, feck knows what happened but they've ended up with a Schengen visa appointment in Moscow, when they thought they'd chosen Eburg. Moscow is a bit far....

Got any advice on Dutch Schengen visa app process from Urals!!!???

MIL still has a valid UK visit visa so we are covered for that bit.

If your MIL is living somewhere in the Urals, she will have to go to the Dutch Consulate in Moscow for a personal Shengen visa application.
If she was applying for the same visa for a short holiday in Holland with a local travel agency, she would get the visa from the agency without a trip to Moscow.
As far as I know, she cannot apply at any UK Dutch Consulate for a visa whilst a non UK resident.
This is only from my limited knowledge on the subject..
Hope this helps you a little...
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

The no-fly zone over Crimea has been lifted officially. But EU still pays kiev for passing Crimean airspace  :ROFL:

And pay Russia for the use of its airspace over Crimea, otherwise its a "No Fly" area.... :laugh:
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 22, 2016, 01:26:37 AM
MIL is coming over again to UK, but Nadia and her both want to go to Amsterdam, feck knows what happened but they've ended up with a Schengen visa appointment in Moscow, when they thought they'd chosen Eburg. Moscow is a bit far....

Got any advice on Dutch Schengen visa app process from Urals!!!???
If its her first schengen-visa on Netherlands, she will have a personal interview @dutch consulate in Moscow.

Otherwise: Make sure she has the financial means to back up her visa-application and insurance covered.

The rest isn't checked as strictly but dotting all the i's helps a lot.

Direct link to the Dutch gov't for tourist visa : https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/visa/documenten/formulieren/2011/12/27/documenten-aanvraag-schengenvisum

Requirements:
* Passport no older than 10 years and still valid at least 3 months longer than the exit-date of the Visa.
* 2 photo's
* Documents that convinces the gov't you will not overstay your visa.
  Examples:
  Work contract with employment in your own country
  Admission to university in your own country
  Having children below the age of 15 in your own country that will not travel with you
  Owning your own property (proof required)
  Documents proving you are a care-giver to other people in your own country.
  this list is not limited other documents may apply. The burdon on proof is on the applicant and needs to be convincing.

* Documents that support the travel goal (e.g. family visits, tourism , etc.).
* financial proof that the applicant can sustain him/herself. The government calculates with 34 euro's / day in-country.
* Reservation of return-travel (e.g. a booked plane ticket with return date)
* A valid medical insurance that will provide care inside the entire Schengen-zone for at least 30.000 euro's
  This last requirement is not needed for a transit-only visa.
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Some requirements can be deferred to a referent. The burdon of proof will then be met by the referent.
These points are:
* Financial support.
   This can be met with 3 payslips of at least 1621,- euro / month. (Note that this is above 34 euro/day)
   This can be met with business-profits of at least 2000 euro/month.
* Documents that support the travel goal (E.G. visit to family).
The referrent will be legally bound to oversee the wellfare of the applicant and will make sure the applicant leaves the Schengen zone before the end of its visa.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 22, 2016, 01:48:11 AM
If the government, apart from NO visa requirement accepted and introduced the “Open sky policy”, like in Prague, then the tour operators would offer many charters over there and all ancillary services would improve too. I am sure, Crimea would be no 1 in the list of arrivals, despite the No over-fly imposed by Ukraine, and easily by passed via Romania. “Money makes the world go around!”

The no-fly zone over Crimea has been lifted officially. But EU still pays kiev for passing Crimean airspace  :ROFL:

MIL is coming over again to UK, but Nadia and her both want to go to Amsterdam, feck knows what happened but they've ended up with a Schengen visa appointment in Moscow, when they thought they'd chosen Eburg. Moscow is a bit far....

Got any advice on Dutch Schengen visa app process from Urals!!!???

MIL still has a valid UK visit visa so we are covered for that bit.

If your MIL is living somewhere in the Urals, she will have to go to the Dutch Consulate in Moscow for a personal Shengen visa application.
If she was applying for the same visa for a short holiday in Holland with a local travel agency, she would get the visa from the agency without a trip to Moscow.
As far as I know, she cannot apply at any UK Dutch Consulate for a visa whilst a non UK resident.
This is only from my limited knowledge on the subject..
Hope this helps you a little...
This is not entirely correct. The personal interview depends on how often you received a Dutch schengen-visa. Only the first requires a personal appointment. It doesn't matter which route you take to obtaining one (do it yourself, travel agency or other).

Subsequent visa's may skip the appointment if no red flags are raised.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Ste on February 22, 2016, 02:54:22 AM
Cheers Fellas - that's The Netherlands off the list then!!
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Markje on February 22, 2016, 02:56:19 AM
Cheers Fellas - that's The Netherlands off the list then!!

Why not go for another schengen visa, just make sure you don't enter Europe in Netherlands then.

I hear Finland is very acommodating for Russians.
Title: Re: Brits Visiting Russia has Increased by 144%.
Post by: Ste on February 22, 2016, 02:58:34 AM
Cheers Fellas - that's The Netherlands off the list then!!

Why not go for another schengen visa, just make sure you don't enter Europe in Netherlands then.

I hear Finland is very acommodating for Russians.

Yeah, no doubt the Mrs and MIL will be hatching another plan later on tonight!