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General Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: shakespear on August 08, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
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As a former collegiate competitive swimmer myself, It was great to see the Russian Men's 4 x 100 relay team miss the medal podium in the swimming event last night. #3 man Morozov who turned in the 6th fasted split in the event, was a two-time drug testing failure that was allowed into the games on a last minute appeal. If there is any justice in the world Yuliya Efimova, a FIVE TIME drug test failure will be denied a medal in the 100 Breaststroke for the same reason.
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Those who have been Proven "beyond" doubt of taking any banned substances should IMHO be excluded from ANY recognised competitive event for life..
Those who have been tested and declared "clean", should be allowed to compete anywhere in the world in competitive events.
Anything other than this is purely political... Unfair... and tar-brushing..
Testing for banned substances should be widened and intensified in all countries and I'm certain that many more people will be caught..
I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...
The problem is that the US are applying pressure on WADA (who I personally don't trust), and the IOC amongst others, I also think that Seb Coe should be dismissed from his post with immediate effect, he's a gangster....
Just my opinion...
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Ankles getting wet again for some.
How does King Canute feel about Justin Gatlin?
How does the King feel about the many athletes who have never tested positive for any substance who will not be able to compete? Does he feel equally strongly that they have been wronged? Surely he does?
Whilst one is happy to see those guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs banned one is much less happy to see a choice to have a much less than level playing field.
It is worth remembering that Russia has only a very small margin of failed drug tests over, for example, the US team, notwithstanding a much heavier burden of testing.
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I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...
He cheated, and was stripped of all his titles and is now in disgrace. It was the right thing to do.
Same with Marion Jones.
I don't like cheaters, regardless of nationality.
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How does King Canute feel about Justin Gatlin?
I think Gatlin should be banned from the 2016 Olympics and will not be rooting for him to medal at all.
How does the King feel about the many athletes who have never tested positive for any substance who will not be able to compete? Does he feel equally strongly that they have been wronged? Surely he does?
Whilst one is happy to see those guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs banned one is much less happy to see a choice to have a much less than level playing field.
It is worth remembering that Russia has only a very small margin of failed drug tests over, for example, the US team, notwithstanding a much heavier burden of testing.
The entire state-sponsored Russian athletic program has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to sanction an organized cover-up of performance enhancing drug use. Period.
557 "lost" positive drug tests thrown out for this Olympics is bullshit.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/36823453
I personally think that any athlete that fails more than one drug test IN THEIR LIFE should be banned from international sport.
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Those who have been Proven "beyond" doubt of taking any banned substances should IMHO be excluded from ANY recognised competitive event for life..
Those who have been tested and declared "clean", should be allowed to compete anywhere in the world in competitive events.
Anything other than this is purely political... Unfair... and tar-brushing..
Testing for banned substances should be widened and intensified in all countries and I'm certain that many more people will be caught..
I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...
The problem is that the US are applying pressure on WADA (who I personally don't trust), and the IOC amongst others, I also think that Seb Coe should be dismissed from his post with immediate effect, he's a gangster....
Just my opinion...
Totally agree with your opinion.... and I would suggest to the American's to take a look at their own house before pointing their finger to Russia or any other country
American sportspeople in doping cases (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:American_sportspeople_in_doping_cases&pageuntil=Slice%2C+Kimbo%0AKimbo+Slice#mw-pages)
:smokin:
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A different group of Russian athletes might be banned from Rio. Personally I can understand the prestige of Olympic Gold, but I don't see why Paralympics athletes would have to be involved in doping? Anyone who can overcome a handicap to complete in a world-class competition is already a winner!
Russia banned from Paralympics: What, when, why?
http://rbth.com/sport/2016/08/08/russia-banned-from-paralympics-what-when-why_619235
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There is justice in the world.
The 5 time drug-test failing Russian got beat.
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Yuri v. Gelder from the Dutch team got sent home by TeamNL management.
Apparently, he did a different kind of drugs... The Alcohol kind :ROFL:
He has to be incredibly stupid. He beat a cocaine-addiction, got back in his game. Worked his way up to the olympics. Made it to the finals, and then started to celebrate before his last contest !!!!
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The Paralympics issue will possibly go to court. The Mclaren/WADA fiction carries no evidence against any athlete and not even against the Russian testing system, there's just unsubstantiated stories from people who are already known to have been involved in criminal activity and have fled Russia to evade the consequences of their criminality.
My guess is that somebody's lawyers will talk to somebody, the IOC will talk to somebody and there'll be a walking back, saving embarrassing and costly court action, especially so given that Mclaren and WADA are busy walking back the claims upon which the Paralympics management made their choices.
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I also think that you yanks should hold your opinions and gloating in check, by remembering your man Armstrong and others...
He cheated, and was stripped of all his titles and is now in disgrace. It was the right thing to do.
Same with Marion Jones.
I don't like cheaters, regardless of nationality.
+1 :thumbsup:
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The Paralympics issue will possibly go to court. The Mclaren/WADA fiction carries no evidence against any athlete and not even against the Russian testing system, there's just unsubstantiated stories from people who are already known to have been involved in criminal activity and have fled Russia to evade the consequences of their criminality.
My guess is that somebody's lawyers will talk to somebody, the IOC will talk to somebody and there'll be a walking back, saving embarrassing and costly court action, especially so given that Mclaren and WADA are busy walking back the claims upon which the Paralympics management made their choices.
Agree Andrew. Mclaren and WADA will not survive a morning of cross examination in court. If this "evidence" is exposed to public scrutiny the whole exercise will be exposed for what it has always been...
Decision made in our house. No Olympics viewing whatsoever. Not interested in this charade (:)
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One the subject of Armstrong. Makes me laugh every time...
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TV media really paints the Russian athletes, as cheaters. I just don't agree with how this was handled. Look at the millions of men through out the world that use performance enhancing drugs, just so they can have sex. Isn't that cheating as well? Regardless of drugs or not, it's shameful how the Russian athletes have been received in Rio.
Brazil should be embarrassed!
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TV media really paints the Russian athletes, as cheaters. I just don't agree with how this was handled. Look at the millions of men through out the world that use performance enhancing drugs, just so they can have sex. Isn't that cheating as well? Regardless of drugs or not, it's shameful how the Russian athletes have been received in Rio.
Brazil should be embarrassed!
Don't forget the American (or should I say USAians?) swimmers.
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As a former collegiate competitive swimmer myself, It was great to see the Russian Men's 4 x 100 relay team miss the medal podium in the swimming event last night. #3 man Morozov who turned in the 6th fasted split in the event, was a two-time drug testing failure that was allowed into the games on a last minute appeal. If there is any justice in the world Yuliya Efimova, a FIVE TIME drug test failure will be denied a medal in the 100 Breaststroke for the same reason.
Efimova won the silver medal in the 100m breaststroke race yesterday. She cried after the race (possibly disappointed at finishing second). During the press conference after the race, she said she did not understand why she was being criticized by others. :duh:
Side note: A-rod is retiring this Friday. His induction to the Hall of Fame is questionable.
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As a former collegiate competitive swimmer myself, It was great to see the Russian Men's 4 x 100 relay team miss the medal podium in the swimming event last night. #3 man Morozov who turned in the 6th fasted split in the event, was a two-time drug testing failure that was allowed into the games on a last minute appeal. If there is any justice in the world Yuliya Efimova, a FIVE TIME drug test failure will be denied a medal in the 100 Breaststroke for the same reason.
Efimova won the silver medal in the 100m breaststroke race yesterday. She cried after the race (possibly disappointed at finishing second). During the press conference after the race, she said she did not understand why she was being criticized by others. :duh:
Side note: A-rod is retiring this Friday. His induction to the Hall of Fame is questionable.
She cried because she was only caught five times?
As for A-Rod, as I noted elsewhere baseball and American football are so suspect that they make others look like amateurs in the use of PED's. I rarely watch the sports on TV and refuse to attend a game for the reality that PED's do not belong in sports.
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
FORGET LILLY KING, WE ARE OFFICIALLY JOINING TEAM YULIYA EFIMOVA
http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/swimming/forget-lilly-king-we-are-officially-joining-team-yuliya-efimova/#slider1223_container
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
Be interesting to know what drugs the US team uses.
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
Could you post a link to where it says she failed 5 times?
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
Be interesting to know what drugs the US team uses.
I have read team Clinton prefers cocaine.
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Could you post a link to where it says she failed 5 times?
There is a Tass article where she admits to using the PEDs resulting in a ban to February 2015.
One A/B test was subsequent and two prior that resulted in her being 'stripped' of her wins.
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
And she had received her punishment for it.
As long as she doesn't do drugs now, she should be welcome in Rio... as the powers that be said she is.
Dutch sportsman v. Gelder used Cocaine, cleaned up his act and was welcome in Rio too. He even made it to the finals of his sports event (Athletic rings) and then got punished for 'alcohol abuse' when he celebrated that event by sending him home to Netherlands.
Redicolous.
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A couple times is less than 5 . Far as I have read there were 2 times.
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A couple times is less than 5 . Far as I have read there were 2 times.
I note four incidents the press mentions five. The issue is the FINA does not allow us to enter that part of there web site.
But the reality one is too many.
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One can moan and complain about the standards set by the IOC but the reality is this: the standards are set by the IOC; the USA, along with other countries, have team members that have in the past used performance enhancing drugs and, absolutely certainly, there are current athletes competing right now who are enjoying the benefits of drug use.
There's no benefit in moaning about any athlete who is competing in accordance with the current rules and regulations. Moan about the rules that allow them to be there but when doing so moan too about the lack of adherence to the rules that means that a large number of athletes who have never been found guilty of rule breaking are not competing.
There's a huge degree of hypocricy floating around at the moment empowered by an equal lack of knowledge.
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American athletes have also been prevented from competing in Rio because of PED's.
The bigger issue is do you ignore the problem?
Where do you start to clean up the problem?
My answers and thoughts so we are not dealing in grey areas: Is no & one has throw out the garbage so start with the biggest pile.
The problem with the stance of Andrew is it gives a fair amount of wiggle room. This leads to the hypocrisy we are reading.
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The bigger issue is do you ignore the problem?
Where do you start to clean up the problem?
Exactly.
There are only two possible solutions:
1: Strictly enforce prohibitions and punishments for use of performance enhancing drugs
2: Remove all prohibitions and punishments and let the competitions be decided between their doped up athletes and ours.
With the new emphasis on performance vs fair play (fueled by television revenue dollars) it wouldn't surprise if we started moving toward the later choice. Regrettable. People need to remember what sports are about in the first place.
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It might take some time (a day or so) but there was an interesting post a while back from Wiz regarding PED's. It seems the reality as Andrew to a degree has hinted at is far more complex.
Yes the drugs are PED's and they are in fact almost 50 years old. But the sporting application is recent.
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When it's all said and done, there's only a few athletes capable of competing at the highest level. We see supposedly clean athletes winning against those that are accused of doping, so my question is, does doping really give an athlete that much of an advantage?
Forgive Them, Yelena Isinbayeva. They Don't Know What They Do
The best of the best who never tested positive for anything herself
http://russia-insider.com/en/forgive-them-yelena-isinbayeva-they-dont-know-what-they-do/ri16008
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Yulia Efimova, might be the finest looking woman to hit the pool in Rio.
Anybody who would root for that cheating bitch would probably vote for Hillary Clinton.
She failed FIVE drug tests in her swimming career.
She shouldn't even be in Rio.
She is a nice looking woman but has no business competing against drug-free clean athletes.
shakespear
Did you ever consider the fact that her trainer is American (thats USAian for andy), and she trained in the US?
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Far those that enjoy, a combination of athleticism, and beauty.
Instaweek: 6 Russian "sports beauties" in Rio
Who to follow if you’re a fan of sport and Russian beauty?
http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2016/08/12/instaweek-beautiful-russian-sport-stars_620503
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The witch hunt continues.
Lone Russian athletics competitor suspended from Rio Games
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/13/sport/rio-olympics-russian-athlete-suspended/
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Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/guilty-until-proven-guilty/ri16032
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Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty
The country has been proven guilty of state sponsored cheating by submitting false drug tests for athletes. The guilt was uniformly spread among all their Olympic sports governing bodies.
How do you expect cheaters to be received?
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Russian Athletes: Guilty Until Proven Guilty
How do you expect cheaters to be received?
Well in the United states they make cheaters the democratic nominee for president.
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Another instance of just blame Putin.
Olympic boxer accuses Putin, flips off judges after loss to Russian
http://nypost.com/2016/08/16/olympic-boxer-accuses-putin-flips-off-judges-after-loss-to-russian/
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That's the Olympian ideals for you. We'll done Ireland, be proud of what you have done, what you have made.
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It sounds like the frustration may be born out of a very serious lack of confidence in the transparency of Olympic boxing.
As it turns out I have a very real concern about the transparency of the Olympics. Since I was a child, this is the first Olympics where I honestly don't care and have not been following. From doping, to corruption, to impoverishment, and the general business over sport approach that now governs sport, I lost my appetite and interest.
It's about the money 100% now. Dope to win because the money is in winning. Sport isn't business, but the Olympics is all business and no sport.
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Quite a few commentators have been noting that the current politicisation of the Olympics led by the United States spells the end of the event in its current form. That seems to be a reasonable analysis of the situation.
It is clear that the IOC have divided the intent and are pushing back but whatever the IOC does at this time may well be too little and too late. A sign that matters may be outside of the IOC's power is the reaction of, mainly, English speaking athletes to the succeses of Russian athletes. Their intemperate behaviour suggests that the Olympian ideals are no longer extant among athletes in the English speaking world. These athletes, such as the Irish boxer, are no longer part of the Olympic movement.
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Russia finishes 4th in standings at Rio Olympics
The Russian team ends the Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro ranking fourth in the unofficial team standings, winning 56 medals - 19 gold, 18 silver and 19 bronze
http://rbth.com/news/2016/08/22/russia-finishes-4th-in-standings-at-rio-olympics_622971
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Yelena Isinbayeva to fight for athletes' rights within the IOC
Russia’s 34-year-old pole vaulter and two-time Olympic champion Yelena Isinbayeva has been elected to the IOC Athletes' Commission and says she will strive to give athletes a greater voice in dialogue with the IOC
http://rbth.com/sport/2016/08/22/yelena-isinbayeva-to-fight-for-athletes-rights-within-the-ioc_623075
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I have to say I was really impressed with the team performance of Great Britain in the 2016 Olympics. Winning more medals than when you hosted in the previous games is a feat that is rarely accomplished.
Well done you Pommie bast*rds :thumbsup:
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I have to say I was really impressed with the team performance of Great Britain in the 2016 Olympics. Winning more medals than when you hosted in the previous games is a feat that is rarely accomplished.
Well done you Pommie bast*rds :thumbsup:
I think it is the first time it has actually been done. Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.
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Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.
Sorry not true. The USA competed in 27 different sports, winning medals in 20.
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Also medals in 15 different events, far more than any other country.
Sorry not true. The USA competed in 27 different sports, winning medals in 20.
I read somewhere, can't find it now though, GB won in 15 different sports and the US in only 10, but who knows, I might be dreaming it ;)
EDIT this wasn't what I was looking for, but it states here we won them accross 19 different sports http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/sport-olympics/rio-2016-final-medal-table-team-gb-finish-second-with-27-olympic-golds-a3325951.html so who knows?
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You might have been dreaming Chris. CLICK HERE! (http://www.teamusa.org/News/2016/August/21/Team-USA-Concludes-Record-Breaking-Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-With-121-Medals-46-Golds)
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You might have been dreaming Chris. CLICK HERE! (http://www.teamusa.org/News/2016/August/21/Team-USA-Concludes-Record-Breaking-Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-With-121-Medals-46-Golds)
So if my link above is correct, we were only one sport behind the US - 19 GB and 20 USA
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The British results were amazing considering the size of the relative populations (which I am sure has some effect otherwise Estonia would've been up there with the leaders).
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Medvedev hands out new BMWs to the Russian Olympic medallists.
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You might have been dreaming Chris. CLICK HERE! (http://www.teamusa.org/News/2016/August/21/Team-USA-Concludes-Record-Breaking-Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-With-121-Medals-46-Golds)
So if my link above is correct, we were only one sport behind the US - 19 GB and 20 USA
The USA won across 14 sports https://www.google.co.uk/#q=united%20states%20rio%202016%20medals (https://www.google.co.uk/#q=united%20states%20rio%202016%20medals) - the UK across 16 -https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Great+Britain+Rio+2016 (https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Great+Britain+Rio+2016) according to these search results..
Team 'GB' plus N.I .. won LESS medals across more sports ..(I was wrong)TEAM'GB' 22 USA 25
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Not withstanding the problems that Russia created with there PED's program. There were numerous amazing moments.
A 52 year old cancer survivor winning a gold medal.
A prior gold medal winner retiring to save the life of her steed.
Another athlete donated his medal so that a young girl could receive a life saving operation.
There were numerous other highlights of athletes accomplishing there dreams. Might be time to focus on that.
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Not withstanding the problems that Russia created with there PED's program. There were numerous amazing moments.
A 52 year old cancer survivor winning a gold medal.
Even more incredible is that he lost 2 years of his life !! ;)
'Santi' - as he is known - is 54
Used to race Tornado cats ... His last race - medal race - was incredible - he had to do TWO penalties and STILL got the gold ...JUST ...Normally doing penalty turns at this level should mean that race is ruined ..I'm three years older and think I'm I useful helm -at club level ... this guy is INCREDIBLE and his sons were representing Argentina in another class.
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Russia Vindicated - WADA Caught Red-Handed in Williams Sisters Doping Scandal
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russian-olympians-vindicated-wada-caught-red-handed-doping-scandal/ri16447
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Russia Vindicated - WADA Caught Red-Handed in Williams Sisters Doping Scandal
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russian-olympians-vindicated-wada-caught-red-handed-doping-scandal/ri16447
OK ..I'll bite
TC remind us how these athletes broke the rules ? ...
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Russia Vindicated - WADA Caught Red-Handed in Williams Sisters Doping Scandal
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russian-olympians-vindicated-wada-caught-red-handed-doping-scandal/ri16447
OK ..I'll bite
TC remind us how these athletes broke the rules ? ...
Who was the French (wo)man Marmesucu playing tennis?
Regarding the Williams and a host of others I think it has to do with Ritalin.
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Amélie Mauresmo - who has been Andy Murray's coach ?
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Amélie Mauresmo - who has been Andy Murray's coach ?
Yes that humanoid.
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Yes that humanoid.
Well she is a Mum to one more ..
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Yes that humanoid.
Well she is a Mum to one more ..
Did she eat her mate after the deposit.