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Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine, Belarus & FSU => Dating Scams and Suspicious Agencies => Topic started by: Palle1985 on July 21, 2009, 07:33:26 AM
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Hello everyone!
I'm new here so bare with me one this one and my native langugae isn't english so have a little patience:)
I really need some help and hope someone here could give me some good advice.
Here is my story.
For some months ago, march 2009, I found a link on facebook to a webpage called "Singel Baltic Lady". I was very courius about it and looked at it. It was many nice looking girls on it and I have always found eastern european grils very attractive so I joined in. Maybe the first days I got about 100 letters from diffrent women's and I thought I was in heaven:) I discovered fast that is was rather expensiv to communicate on that page but with no other experience in this matter I thought maybe it is like that. The time went by and I found some promising girls I really liked. We talked and talked and still everything feelt good. Antoher girl (not one of the once I had been communicating for a while with) start sending me letter and I answere her, she was willing to come to Sweden (where I live) which I thought was great until she asked me for money for a visa, then I realized that something wasen't right and stopped the contact with her. And that was the first time I was in contact with a scam. I started to search the internet for information about this and founds Jim's page agencyscams. I read and read but still I didn't know what to think. I also read about his comment on singel baltic women and got very sad, was everything I thought was real only scam? Is every girl on that page scam or is it mixed with both real girls, looking for someone, and scams? Well I wasn't sure and well Jim seemed pretty sure on his thing and I also read his example of a scammer and a genuine letter from a russian women but maybe it is obvius to many it was not so clear for me, of course when she asks for money me too understand that it is something wrong, but to spot a scammer before she asks for money.
I decided to continue my correspondece with the girls on SBL hoping that they where genuien. Some times passed and I found out one of the girls to be very strange. She answered my letters and myquestions but then wrote much about how she missed me and wanted to be with me and such... it got even worse after a while where she sended me letters only with affiactionate words besides our correspondence and because you pay to open every letter it got very expensive so finally I could bare it and broke my contact with her. But my correpsondece with the others contunied. One of the girls I also talked over the phone with, on msn too and another I talked to msn and she even got facebook because of me. So that they where real girls there was no doubt about. I started to plan a trip to Ukraine and Odessa to meet this girls (about 5-6 girls I've been talking to).
But about two-three weeks ago I visited Jim's page again and found out some new information about SBL or Natashaclub. There was guys that had talked to girls on SBL and then found same girls on other webpagegs and this girls didn't know anything about SBL or didn't know they had any profiles there. It wasn't only one guy writing this so it must be many scam profiles and this got me a little worried. Also I found out some new scam ways Jim wrote about. It was common in Ukraine that the women are real and she talk to you and agree to meet you and everything but she is not intrested in any relationship. She will only use the expensive site to communicate because then she and the page makes money on you.
With this new info I was about to cancel my planed trip to Ukraine to meet this women's I been communicatin with. But after a talk with my firend about a trip to Ukraine he agreed on going there with me just to explore and see Odessa. And I thought, now when I have come this far with the girls, when I have spend both money and time, and I'm still going to Ukraine maybe I could meet some of them anyway to see if there is real. But I'm not so sure about it anymore...
I have like 6-7 girls now I'm talking to. One I recently start talking to says she is comming to Sweden for vacation in august and like to meet me then. I still are very careful about this until I know she will not ask me for money or something. But non of these girls have asked me for money, two of them is willing to meet me in Odessa without interpreters (they don't speak english) one of them lives in Sumy and the other i Nikolayev.
Only one of these girls wants to use an interpreter from the agency when we meet. Some girls are very affictionate in there letters which I found a bit strange but maybe it is because I'm very affictionate in mine. But two of this girls have e-mails but it seem very problematic to talk over e-mail. Either there having problems with theire e-mail or they don't have a computer with internet at home. I don't know if this is common or not. I have asked four of the girls for more pictures of them but it never comes, one of them uploaded one new pictures in her profile but they always says "I will send you but not now" and I have been nagging about this for some time now.
Well what do you sugest me to do? Should I meet them when I come down there? Is there someone that have meet their other half on that page and is any of the girls real and her intentins real? What should I do, I really need some help from people that have more experience and know more about this than me.
One more important thing is that I have been looking for the girls in jim's page and I have also googled there name but have not found anything. Should I write thier user on SBL here for you to look at?
(http://tinyurl.com/38hq32)
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welcome Palle :) i m sure guys will help :nod:
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Thank you:) Yes I hope:)
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Welcome Palle.
I just looked them up on Jim's List as you did: http://agencyscams.com/Why/1st.html it seems they are one of a large number of websites operated by one firm. Jim seems to feel they are scam; reading his info there I would be inclined to agree with him.
You have plans to meet some women already...... before you do this, you need to establish they are real women speaking for themselves. That means you need to get them on the telephone. If they do not speak English, arrange a three-way translated call.
Do you have direct contact information for any of these women or have you done any three-way telephone calls already?
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Thank you for your welcome! :)
Yes I know, it was not fun to read it, especially after have spend so much money on that site... :S
I have spoken to one of them over the phone another I have spoken to over MSN with a webcam so at least two of them is real girls. The others dosen't speak english or I don't have their telephonenumbers. Is there any good way to arrange a three way phone call? I have never done this before:)
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My wife has a page here: Translated three-way calls (http://www.ladagirl.com/telephone.html) you can take a look at.
You will also find other providers and honest agencies on our Top Site list here: Recommended sites and service providers (http://ruadventures.com/index.php?ind=topsite)
To be honest, Odessa doesn't have the greatest reputation for bride seekers if you read the forum.
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Thank you!I will look at your pages.
Well the girls are not from Odessa it is only me and my friend that will travel there. The girls come from Sumy, Nikolayev, Mariypol and one from Odessa. But I have asked them to come to Odessa to meet me.
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I read about a page called Luckylovers, is that page free? Is it any good? Is there a lot of scams there too or what kind of page is it?
Is there anyone that have used Singel Baltic Lady or any of its other websites with a positive result? Cause even if I call these girls and it really is them it is still the chance that they are not intrested in finding someone but only to help the webpage earn money.
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We have two previous topics about Lucky Lovers:
one here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=6066.0)
and another one here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=5546.0)
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Thank you Manny for your great help! I'm very grateful!
It sounds very good LL and I'll try it but first I have to clear this things up about SBL and the girls there:)
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Welcome aboard Palle. :)
Your post is a bit nebulous Palle but from what I'm reading it doesn't look good.
Have you talked to any of these girls by phone?
Brass
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Tahnk you. I don't know what nebulous menas?
Well only two of them I've talked over the phone. Maybe it would be easier to leave all of them and go forward with all but it would be sad to miss the oppertunity to meet them if everything is real.
Is there some way to know if they are scam other than calling them? Should I post their nicknames from the page, maybe any of you recognize it?
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There is one girl from that page I started to communicate with, I think I wrote her two or three messages and she writes like 2-3 letters per day. So I stopped to write her cause it costs too much now I like got 15 unread letters from her. That must be something wrong?
Another of the girl I am communicating with wrote Brian (that is not my name) and in the second letter she blamed the intrepreter for it. What should I make of that?
My name or alias on that page is Palle1985 and she wrote "Hello Palle1985", any real person should know that my real name dosent incluede the numbers but that girl I have talked over the phone with and on msn so I don't know why she write like that? :S
And two of the other girls I had e-mail contact with, one of them haven't written me and the other wrote me on SBL even when she got my e-mail. She said she was in Crimea and she have sad to me before that she dosen't have a computer with internet but if she is abel to write me there she would be able to write me to my e-mail right?
I guess this was to good to be true?
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This is from one girl that lives in Odessa:
Hello, my dearest Palle!
I am happy o receive your new letter and to know that you had a wonderful weekend. As for me, it was raining on Sunday and I didn’t go to the beach. But I was dreaming of us.Wink)))) I was watching a romantic movie.Wink)))
Sweetheart, I am not a trick. I am a real girl who has her real feelings, dreams and wishes. I can’t communicate with you very often through e-mail. I have only one day a week in the evening when I can write a letter to you for free. But if I want to write you oftener, I should go to the internet café and I don’t have money for that. Do you understand me?
Sweetie, I hope that everything will be fine with your test.Wink)) I will pray for that.Wink)))) Sweetheart, I miss you! I am waiting for our meeting a lot! I wish to be happy together with you!!!!
I hope that your family is fine. Say hello to you relatives.Wink))))
Hug you, XXX.
This is another:
DearPalle!I am In CRIMEA now.I am laying on the beach now, feel crash of waves and breathe fresh air. Its incredible!I and my friend we are going to est something nad come back to our place. Its reall nice weather for suntan. Hope that it will look good on my skinWink
Dear I went to Crimea to spend my vocation. I am so happy to write you this letter and want to let you know that I think of you and will write you back as soon as I come back. aproximetly after 25th of Jule.
I wish to hear from you back and tell me what is the best place to spend your vocation?
Have a good day and nice rest
Hugs XXX
Another: This one I have talked over the phone with and talked to on msn
Hello my dear Palle1985!!
Sorry for my long reply! I was not in town but now I'm back and I want to talk with you again! I really missed you! I was in Crimea and could not respond to your letter !(((( I had a good time there! Perhaps we will go to the Crimea together?? What do you think about this? When will you leave? What's new and interesting things happening in your life??
I kiss you..
I will wait your reply)
your girl XXX))
Another: She got my name wrong but I gett a letter one minute after that says " Sorry for the wrong name-from interpreter "
Sweet Brian!
I will become your Russian teacher one day Smile). What do you mean to get to Odessa by myself? Smile) I also have never met with anyone this way.
I am so sorry that you are sad about photos, but why do not you believe me that I am honest and look exactly the same? Do you think I have a reason to be dishonest in this apsect?
My weekend was nice and I spent it with my granny at the hospital. I did not have a chance to talk to my boss, but I will as soon as I return to Sumy.
The weather today is so hot and it is probably about 40C. I wear my summer dress, but still it is very hot and stuffy. It is so good here at the agency, because of the conditioner and I do not want to leave Smile. It is nice to watch the girls who also come here to answer letters from their beloved men Smile. I sincerely hope that they will find happiness and love and they do not waste their time. My intuition also tells me that we have already built a solid background for our future relationship and I am not afraid of risking. Every night I have dreams about our future together and they are always so wonderful and sweet and I can not wait when we have a chance to realize all our dreams and fantasies.
I do not have any special plans for this weekend, but I plan to meet with my friends and have some pleasant time with them. I wish we could spend all our week days and weekends together!
Wait for your message.
Yours, XXX
And this one for some reason I think is genuine, she uploaded one picture of her when I asked but she haven't send me any more that I have asked for:
Hi, my dear!!! Dear, I am really sorry that I can't meet with you, but you know you are really very nice person and I always appreciate your attention!!!!
I understand you and it is up to you to end our communication or not!!!
I really desire to communicate with you as least something, because I really like you!!!!!
I am kissing you tenderly and I hope you will have a nice day!!!
Yours, XXX
I don't know if it is wrong to post this letters here? If it is I delete them.
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Welcome to the forum tiphat
As for the note with the wrong name. If the main content of the note could have been written to anyone, then she is using the same note and changing small parts for each man she is writting to. Some of these sites have women who are being paid to write to men. The more they write the more they earn. Using the same letter contents, for each man, saves them time. They make little changes to make it seem more like it is written to you alone.
Always blamed on the interpreter when it happens. :ROFL:
If in doubt set up a second ID or have a friend do it, and see if you get letters from the same women. I did that on a few sites to confirm how bad they were. Same notes from the same women to all Ids. :-X
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Thank you!
If in doubt set up a second ID or have a friend do it, and see if you get letters from the same women. I did that on a few sites to confirm how bad they were. Same notes from the same women to all Ids. :-X
Ah that is a good idea! Thank you for it!!! But should I contact her with my second ID or should I wait for her to contact me?
Well you can see her letter in the post over yours. She answeres my questions that I written to her and then she always get "dreamy" in the second part of the letter.
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Thank you!
If in doubt set up a second ID or have a friend do it, and see if you get letters from the same women. I did that on a few sites to confirm how bad they were. Same notes from the same women to all Ids. :-X
Ah that is a good idea! Thank you for it!!! But should I contact her with my second ID or should I wait for her to contact me?
Well you can see her letter in the post over yours. She answers my questions that I written to her and then she always get "dreamy" in the second part of the letter.
Wait and see if she contacts you. :-X
As for the letters they are short, and in my opinion could be for any man. Short letters are another indication of employees of an agency. Read what you have gotten from her and see if the content is always slated for what she is saying rather then what you are talking about. Another sign of one.
One I tested, with three Ids, 500 letters in two weeks to all the ids. Most came in when the women should be sleeping. Sent by the agency not the lady. I could read them but to reply would have cost money for each. But it confirmed how bad the site was. Two of the ids had no picture of the man. :laugh:
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Is this a pay per letter site? So these short random letters are each costing money to receive?
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Is this a pay per letter site? So these short random letters are each costing money to receive?
Manny looking at the site Single Baltic Women you pay to open each letter you receive. By the way the one women I mentioned in another thread is on this site. That makes 10 now she is listed on that I have now seen over time. Other faces I recognize as well. Home agency is the one Julia provided as a bad one. My recommendation would be to not use it. Too many "professionals" on this site. :(
That one costs 7.25 credits to read her letter. She has 18 friends listed on this site. Not bad for a income from one site. Now add nine more. :chuckle:
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Call me cynical if you want...........
I can’t communicate with you very often through e-mail.
How about the telephone? I bet she has one of those.
I have only one day a week in the evening when I can write a letter to you for free. But if I want to write you oftener, I should go to the internet café and I don’t have money for that. Do you understand me?
I understand her - "please send money"
Sweetheart, I miss you! I am waiting for our meeting a lot! I wish to be happy together with you!!!!
An email correspondent is not a "sweetheart".
DearPalle!I am In CRIMEA now.I am laying on the beach now, feel crash of waves and breathe fresh air. Its incredible!I and my friend we are going to est something nad come back to our place. Its reall nice weather for suntan. Hope that it will look good on my skin
"Think about me in a bikini and keep opening those letters" - kerching! :money:
Hello my dear Palle1985!!
Sorry for my long reply!
If these are long, I would hate to see a short one.
I was not in town but now I'm back and I want to talk with you again! I really missed you!]
I spent all my money on my holiday. I need more men opening letters; I earn 10%.
Sweet Brian!
:ROFL:
"Note to self. Buy "The Bat!" - it changes names automatically"
My weekend was nice and I spent it with my granny at the hospital
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Granny will soon be sick and need some urgent medication. :money:
I did not have a chance to talk to my boss, but I will as soon as I return to Sumy.
Keep opening letters meanwhile.
The weather today is so hot and it is probably about 40C. I wear my summer dress, but still it is very hot and stuffy.
::)
It is so good here at the agency, because of the conditioner and I do not want to leave Smile. It is nice to watch the girls who also come here to answer letters from their beloved men Smile. I sincerely hope that they will find happiness and love and they do not waste their time.
"This is an honest agency - honest! And I don't work for them - honest!"
My intuition also tells me that we have already built a solid background for our future relationship and I am not afraid of risking. Every night I have dreams about our future together and they are always so wonderful and sweet and I can not wait when we have a chance to realize all our dreams and fantasies.
This would be great if you had met a couple of times.
Hi, my dear!!! Dear, I am really sorry that I can't meet with you, but you know you are really very nice person and I always appreciate your attention!!!!
I understand you and it is up to you to end our communication or not!!!
I really desire to communicate with you as least something, because I really like you!!!!!
"Don't stop writing. I earn 10%."
Anyone else agree/disagree with my comments?
The only way to flush out the insincerity here is to get each one on the phone and ask your interpreter what he/she thinks about it after you have asked all the right questions.
Where are these questions:
"Tell me about life in Sweden."
"Tell me about............."
"Did you ever............?"
"What is your view on...............?"
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Call me cynical if you want...........
Manny you are so cynical... :chuckle:
I do not have any special plans for this weekend, but I plan to meet with my friends and have some pleasant time with them. I wish we could spend all our week days and weekends together!
Hi, my dear!!! Dear, I am really sorry that I can't meet with you, but you know you are really very nice person and I always appreciate your attention!!!!
Read my letters, but I can't meet?
Sorry, Sayonara sister.... :coffeeread:
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Thank you so mcuh Manny!
I didn't read it that way but now I see more clearly. It have feelt so strange about everything but I haven't any experience or anything to compare with so I don't know how a "normal" correspondence with a east european grils should be:)
Hahaha :laugh: well her letters use to be longer I think she meant to write was that she is sorry for her long delay answereing my letter. She have told me she is on practice so I'm a bit confused when she says she was in Crimea:S But this girl I have talked over the phone with and even msn and she have sended me pictures of her and her friends. I now answered her to her e-mail instead and we see if she answere there or on the webpage.
The last girl you comment on I have to explaine something cause maybe it is not fair to just show you that letter. She wants me to contact her on telephone but I said no cause she dosen't speak english and we talked about meeting and she wants to meet in sep but I told her to meet in august. She couldn't and I said something take it or leave it. Why she is so affactionate is maybe because of me cause I. When I joined in to SBL I got many letters and many girls that was affactionate and I thought that that was how things worked whit these girls so I think it was me starting all that.
Here i post that girls first answere to my letter:
Hi, Christoffer!!!!!!!! I want to tell you that you are very attractive man and it will be a great pleasure for me to know you!!!!
Dear, I haven't told that I have travelled a lot, but of course I would like to travel and to find out many things for myself!!! I don't know about Sweden much, can you tell me about it?
It will be also nice to know some things about you and what are your expectations for the future?
I love having family and friends in my life. That’s why it is so important to me to have a family of my own. I am very affectionate, I love romance, and spending all my time with my soul mate. I try to be positive every day and always look at the best in all. I am looking for someone that is happy, honest, loyal, to have fun and to be with affectionate and romantic person.
I am a student and study at the university; I will be the children psychologist. My study I combine with work and I work in the shop, it helps me to be independent. I am very romantic and sensual person and
I can enjoy the simplest moments in life. They are the moments that make life special. Those moments are a walk on the beach in the moonlight, or watching the sunset on the beach or having a pick-nick at the lake shore, or a walk through the forest, or just walking hand in hand through the shopping mall sharing an ice cream. Do you appreciate this? )))
In my free time, I like to do a lot of things, I like to train a lot, I like skiing , bowling and I enjoy meeting with my friends, but of course it will be better to spend time with my beloved man and I hope soon I will meet the man who will be everything for me!!! Maybe I have already met this man!!!)))
What about you? What gives you the best pleasure? What do you enjoy to do best of all? I hope we will have the opportunity to discus many themes with each other and our communication will bring us something special!!!
I send you a tender kiss and I hope I will hear from you very soon!!
Have a great day!!
Voyager, that is two diffrent girls letters:D
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I don't think I even need to call them cause there have been som many things about them that didn't feel right and now when you Manny interpreted the letters for me the answere fall down in my lap:D
I got a tip from another person about http://www.uadreams.com/. Is that a good site?
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Voyager, that is two diffrent girls letters:D
Oops, sorry.
The one who doesn't want to meet is a waste of time certainly though, she just wants to be a {paid} pen-pal
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
What's so naive about that? The job situation RU and the FSU is quite tough right now as I understand it. She may just have decided that having a stable income is more important than entertaining key board romeo who or may not be worthy of her. Would you throw away your job in this economy just to spend time with a casual acquaintance for a week? There are scams, and there are things to be leery of. That's why we encourage you to do due diligence and learn all you can here and about her. But the mere fact she doesn't want to put her livelihood and future in jeopardy for a wanna be stud says more about her common sense than her 'scammer potential' YMMV..
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
What's so naive about that? The job situation RU and the FSU is quite tough right now as I understand it. She may just have decided that having a stable income is more important than entertaining key board romeo who or may not be worthy of her. Would you throw away your job in this economy just to spend time with a casual acquaintance for a week? There are scams, and there are things to be leery of. That's why we encourage you to do due diligence and learn all you can here and about her. But the mere fact she doesn't want to put her livelihood and future in jeopardy for a wanna be stud says more about her common sense than her 'scammer potential' YMMV..
If she was really interested she would find a way. She could meet for a couple of days on a weekend, and then evenings during the week.
He's not that far away in Sweden, she could ask him to come for 3 days just to meet
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
What's so naive about that? The job situation RU and the FSU is quite tough right now as I understand it. She may just have decided that having a stable income is more important than entertaining key board romeo who or may not be worthy of her. Would you throw away your job in this economy just to spend time with a casual acquaintance for a week? There are scams, and there are things to be leery of. That's why we encourage you to do due diligence and learn all you can here and about her. But the mere fact she doesn't want to put her livelihood and future in jeopardy for a wanna be stud says more about her common sense than her 'scammer potential' YMMV..
If she was really interested she would find a way. She could meet for a couple of days on a weekend, and then evenings during the week.
He's not that far away in Sweden, she could ask him to come for 3 days just to meet
The point is it doesn't sound like he tried or even had discourse with her on the matter. Maybe she doesn't have vacation time because it's a new job. really there is much to little comprehensible info to tell and only bits and pieces of the story at that. To go making wild leaps that she's a scammer or not serious it's a bit premature at this stage to determine that. Additionally, how long have they been writing again?
Look taken in context with the other stuff posted in the thread there should be a concern and wonder if she's a ________. But in isolation the inability to take time off isn't in and of itself a deal breaker. It's circumstantial.
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
What's so naive about that? The job situation RU and the FSU is quite tough right now as I understand it. She may just have decided that having a stable income is more important than entertaining key board romeo who or may not be worthy of her. Would you throw away your job in this economy just to spend time with a casual acquaintance for a week? There are scams, and there are things to be leery of. That's why we encourage you to do due diligence and learn all you can here and about her. But the mere fact she doesn't want to put her livelihood and future in jeopardy for a wanna be stud says more about her common sense than her 'scammer potential' YMMV..
If she was really interested she would find a way. She could meet for a couple of days on a weekend, and then evenings during the week.
He's not that far away in Sweden, she could ask him to come for 3 days just to meet
The point is it doesn't sound like he tried or even had discourse with her on the matter. Maybe she doesn't have vacation time because it's a new job. really there is much to little comprehensible info to tell and only bits and pieces of the story at that. To go making wild leaps that she's a scammer or not serious it's a bit premature at this stage to determine that. Additionally, how long have they been writing again?
Look taken in context with the other stuff posted in the thread there should be a concern and wonder if she's a ________. But in isolation the inability to take time off isn't in and of itself a deal breaker. It's circumstantial.
Point taken.
It would be helpful to have a little more data.
I would expect her to make some kind of offer if she can't take time off, eg. ask him to come on a long weekend or something, as it's probably only a couple hundred bucks to get there from Sweden, different story for US guys
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Voyager,
We agree.
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Hi Palle!
When corresponding with ladies from pay per letter sites it helps to take control right from the beginning and ask lots of questions . Show the lady you are interested in her.. By doing this you learn a lot about her and makes it more difficult for her or the agency to send form letters with a few sentences directed to you. She has to answer all your questions first and leaves less time for the sweetie talk The letters you received are typical of these agencies and really do not help to learn much about the lady you are corresponding with. Even if these girls are the real it is still a waste of money IMO. Here is something you should think about .if you do plan on contacting more ladies before your trip.
The Ukraine is a fairly large country. When you find ladies from Multiple cities there is cost in traveling across the Ukraine to Odessa. You should not expect these girls to make the trip at their expense. You will have to cover their cost of travel and hotel .
Which can add up quickly if you expect three or four girls to travel just to meet you. Its much better when you go and meet them in their city. Also you will be there with a friend ,and you want ladies to travel and meet you. Then they will expect you to spend your time with them not your friend. Maybe meet the girl from Nikolayev as it is close to Odessa , so not much travel involved. You can spend an afternoon together and then decide if you want to spend more time with her.
Personally I think you are not being realistic in wanting all these ladies to come to Odessa . Its kind of like taking sand to the beach no need there is plenty already there.
I would suggest looking for a reputable local agency in Odessa and make a few contacts there for starters.
But I think you will have better luck going out on the town or to the beaches and looking for a lady that has no connection to any agencies. Being you are only 24 years old you have a great advantage over us older guys with the young ladies. I think you would do just fine meeting girls with out any dating sites. Even if you do end up using a local agency as a back up plan while in Odessa, the cost will be much less than what you spend with a pay per letter site.
Another thing to keep in mind Odessa has been hit hard by the MOB industry and many of the young ladies there know how to take advantage of you if you allow it to happen. Don't try to impress the ladies by going to expensive places . If you throw your money around while you are there it will make it very difficult to know if it is you or your wallet the lady likes most. Place your efforts on planning your trip and having a good time . In the future when corresponding with ladies try to find them in cities closer together. It will make it much easier when planning to meet them.
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Hello, my dearest Palle!
I am happy o receive your new letter and to know that you had a wonderful weekend. As for me, it was raining on Sunday and I didn’t go to the beach. But I was dreaming of us.Wink)))) I was watching a romantic movie.Wink)))
Sweetheart, I am not a trick. I am a real girl who has her real feelings, dreams and wishes. I can’t communicate with you very often through e-mail. I have only one day a week in the evening when I can write a letter to you for free. But if I want to write you oftener, I should go to the internet café and I don’t have money for that. Do you understand me?
Sweetie, I hope that everything will be fine with your test.Wink)) I will pray for that.Wink)))) Sweetheart, I miss you! I am waiting for our meeting a lot! I wish to be happy together with you!!!!
I hope that your family is fine. Say hello to you relatives.Wink))))
Hug you, XXX.
What did you write to prompt this girl to respond with the emboldened words?
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First of all I like to thank all of you guys for helping me in this matter! I feel very lost in this djungle:)
Voyager and ECR844: Well I don't know if I am being naive that is why I'm asking for help:) I agree with you ECR844, you have a point and I also thought of that but I also been thinking about what Voyager said, to meet only an evening or so wouldn't be impossible but she have said she has it hard woth work and studies. From the start I had my vacation in august and could only go to Ukraine then but she could only meet in september and I said only that if things are like that we can't meet. No more no less... but things have changed, I can go to Ukraine in september so I have now asked her about meeting then we it is possible for her so let's see and wait what she answeres:)
TomT: I wrote her that I wanted to contiune our correspondence over e-mail instead because of what I have heard about that page, and a letter from her costs 17 credits to open so I couldn't afford it in the long term and that was the answere I got. And of course I didn't get that answere in my e-mail even if she got my adress:S
Tom Cat: Thank you very much! Well to make things a little more clear, I'll go down to Ukraine and Odessa with my friend for a weekend or a week, just to see how it is and get familiar with the place and after that time he goes home and I thought that I should meet the girls then, alone:) That is a good tip but I think I had enough with "pay per letter" sites, I either continue this on elenas models or Lucky lovers. But it is still good tip's in generall.
I didn't, for some reason, thought of that. I have been on a swedish dating site and of course it is diffrent but that is all the experience I had so I didn't thought it was a lot of girls until you told me about it:) it is as you said better to meet them in their hometown. But how is the best way to travel in Ukraine for a beginner?
You think? okey that sounds very good. I never been in Ukraine so I don't know how open the girls are and how easy it is to start talken to someone they don't know... Do you mean I look for an agency down there or before I go down?
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Something I thought of was about the age. Is it stupid to look for a girl 18-21 because she dosen't know what she wants? With me being 24 it is not far away in age but maybe thoose girls are not as serious as others? Why I ask is because what Jim wrote on his agency scam page.
One more thing... the letter I put up here with the girl that wrote "Sorry for my long reply". I'm not so sure it is her that wrote that:S We have been talking a while and I have getting to know her and she should be on her practice right now for school and in the letter she dosen't write anything about my letter to her and why "Palle1985"???? She never writes that. Is it possible that the agency login in her place and continue writing her contacts?
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Something I thought of was about the age. Is it stupid to look for a girl 18-21 because she dosen't know what she wants? With me being 24 it is not far away in age but maybe thoose girls are not as serious as others? Why I ask is because what Jim wrote on his agency scam page.
One more thing... the letter I put up here with the girl that wrote "Sorry for my long reply". I'm not so sure it is her that wrote that:S We have been talking a while and I have getting to know her and she should be on her practice right now for school and in the letter she dosen't write anything about my letter to her and why "Palle1985"???? She never writes that. Is it possible that the agency login in her place and continue writing her contacts?
Hi Palle
Well to write to someone 18-22 maybe carries the greatest risk to your pocket IMHO you can look for someone that is closer to your age, yes i see you are only 24, but it is worth a try. try 24-25 just a thought
I agree pay to view agency sites are a waste and a con, try something like Russianeuro.com they advertise on this site then you pay a one off fee and after that it is free communication with as many as you like, i think it is about £35 for 3 months.
Well look forward to your report on your boys trip to Odessa, but as for finding someone real serious there i would put it at less than 10%
As for your comment would an agency continue to write on someones profile? then my answer would be yes they will :D
Mark
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
You mena the girls are just out for having fun? Which city is good to visit for girls that are serious?
Hehe I thought so too... I will call her and ask in the weekend when she should be home from practice and I get back to you all to know her answere:)
In Odessa is there any good places to go? Good restaurants, nightclubs, sightseeing?
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
Welll that will be your problem then, if you are not a paying member you can write to as many as you like, but then the catch!!!!! they can not reply to you as a non paying member as much as they like you ::)
So you will never get any mail!!! unless you join and pay :)
Do i recommend it? it is where i met my wife :party0011:
Mark
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Ahh.... haha okey I thought I would look around and see if there where any girls that was intresting to me and if I got any responce but then it explains why:P Maybe I give it a shot. But if I am a paying memeber they don't have to be to write and read my letters?
For you who have been in Ukraine and Odessa, how much money do you spend in one week? Is it cheap there?
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Ahh.... haha okey I thought I would look around and see if there where any girls that was intresting to me and if I got any responce but then it explains why:P Maybe I give it a shot. But if I am a paying memeber they don't have to be to write and read my letters?
For you who have been in Ukraine and Odessa, how much money do you spend in one week? Is it cheap there?
Palle
No they do not have to paying members to reply, but they also can use the IM on there too, that is how my wife hookedcontacted me.....lol
As for Ukraine i will let the Ukraine guys answer:) I am a soley Russia guy :RUS: :GOUK:
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For you who have been in Ukraine and Odessa, how much money do you spend in one week? Is it cheap there?
Odessa is a typical tourist city, therefore the pricing is a bit more expensive than usual in Ukraine. Also the amount of party girls in Odessa is a bit more than the rest of Ukraine.
That said, odessa is still relativly cheap compared to western vacation destinations.
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Palle!
if you are planning on visiting other cities then it is great if you try to meet several girls . And is actually better to do so. I was only speaking of the expense and possible problems of free time if you have several ladies traveling to Odessa to meet you. Yes start looking now for the local agencies. You can get address and Phone numbers of local agencies before you travel so you have them for back up, . . It has been three years since I last visited the Ukraine so I think other guys here can give more current advice about finding good local agencies, travel and cost. . . Good luck and have a great time. . And will look forward to your TR when you return.
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I just came home from a trip and now it is confirmed that Singel Baltic Lady/Natashaclub is a total fake!!! Listen to this, a girl I have been talking to and meet on SBL is now away on practice for some school project. I guess she haven't been online for a while on SBL and finally I got a letter from her again but it was a bit strange, here is what she wrotes:
Hello my dear Palle1985!!
Sorry for my long reply! I was not in town but now I'm back and I want to talk with you again! I really missed you! I was in Crimea and could not respond to your letter !(((( I had a good time there! Perhaps we will go to the Crimea together?? What do you think about this? When will you leave? What's new and interesting things happening in your life??
I kiss you..
I will wait your reply)
your girl XXX))
Well because of all the info I got about SBL I wrote her to her private e-mail and I wrote a letter to her on SBL telling her that I wrote an e-mail to her instead, nothing mor or nothing less. Now I got a reply, of course on SBL, with this text:
Hello, dear Palle)))
Thank you for your beautiful and interesting letter)
I am like you and your PROFILE))
We have a lot of similarities! I am just looking at this site a man with whom I will be able to link their fate and be happy! Obraya I am very romantic girl with a heart) I want to love and be love)) I want to have children! You are to me is very interesting! I am working and have many interests! I would like to receive love, and that is why I am looking for a gentle and loving man! Are you ready to be? Why is such a handsome man like you nerazu was not married??? You want to have children?? We will be meeting this summer?
Many sweet kisses for you)
I will waiting your answer)
your girl XXX))) Smile Smile Smile
What beutiful and intresting letter? She haven't seen it. Then she writes me like we just got to know each other and then some love and compliments. Would you write a letter like this to a person you have written 38 letters before, talked over the phone with, talked over msn? This isn't her, I know her and I know how she writes, this isn't her. I will call her on sunday and tell her about this. But the strange thing is that she has a new picture in her profile but I can't see if it is her, it could be her but I'm not sure.
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I just came home from a trip and now it is confirmed that Singel Baltic Lady/Natashaclub is a total fake!!!
Did you to the Ukraine on this trip to meet this lady?
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I just came home from a trip and now it is confirmed that Singel Baltic Lady/Natashaclub is a total fake!!! Listen to this, a girl I have been talking to and meet on SBL is now away on practice for some school project. I guess she haven't been online for a while on SBL and finally I got a letter from her again but it was a bit strange...
Not a trip to Ukraine/Russia surely, you haven't had the time.
You've really lost me here Palle, why if you had sent her a letter to her private email would she not have read it?
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Sorry Palle
I have to agree with the other guys i am totaly lost here ???
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Gentlemen very simple there is nothing in the letter from her to indciate she has read the note. Not one mention of anything he has said personnally to her. It is a stock
form letter sent on the system to him in repsonse to his short note, that he sent telling her of the private email letter.
Take away his name and the letter could be sent to you Brass or Sparky in response to a note to her.
After 38 emails would you not expect something directly related to what you have said to her in that private e-mail. ?
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Another thing to keep in mind Odessa has been hit hard by the MOB industry and many of the young ladies there know how to take advantage of you if you allow it to happen.
Only Odessa??? Come on now! The whole country of Ukraine seems to be involved! It seems to be one of the most profitable businesses (or scams, what ever you wanna call it) in Ukraine, and naive foreigners just keep on biting!
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Possible (even probable) FE, however, there is that one line that leaves doubt.
"Thank you for your beautiful and interesting letter)"
I understand where Palle is going with this, what I'm trying to do (as are the others) is point out to him that he's leaving doors open (loose ends) on the way to an accurate conclusion. :)
Brass
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Another thing to keep in mind Odessa has been hit hard by the MOB industry and many of the young ladies there know how to take advantage of you if you allow it to happen.
Only Odessa??? Come on now! The whole country of Ukraine seems to be involved! It seems to be one of the most profitable businesses (or scams, what ever you wanna call it) in Ukraine, and naive foreigners just keep on biting!
That's a sweeping generalization Ed and completely inaccurate.
Brass
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
Welll that will be your problem then, if you are not a paying member you can write to as many as you like, but then the catch!!!!! they can not reply to you as a non paying member as much as they like you ::)
So you will never get any mail!!! unless you join and pay :)
Do i recommend it? it is where i met my wife :party0011:
Mark
Sparky, just curious, how many women in your estimate are on that site?
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Another thing to keep in mind Odessa has been hit hard by the MOB industry and many of the young ladies there know how to take advantage of you if you allow it to happen.
Only Odessa??? Come on now! The whole country of Ukraine seems to be involved! It seems to be one of the most profitable businesses (or scams, what ever you wanna call it) in Ukraine, and naive foreigners just keep on biting!
That's a sweeping generalization Ed and completely inaccurate.
Brass
but off course, Brass! What do I know?!?! :biggrin:
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but off course, Brass! What do I know?!?! :biggrin:
Indeed. :coffeeread:
Brass
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Possible (even probable) FE, however, there is that one line that leaves doubt.
"Thank you for your beautiful and interesting letter)"
I understand where Palle is going with this, what I'm trying to do (as are the others) is point out to him that he's leaving doors open (loose ends) on the way to an accurate conclusion. :)
Brass
Which is why he is planning on phoning her I believe, to climate any doubt he may still have. :)
But form letters quite often have a line or two added to try to make it more personal. Yet that line could also be in response to just him sending one on SBL. Both could fit the bill. But they are also far to short to be real communication with a serious person. But only Palle can verify that. :nod:
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"Everyone,"
We're still waiting to hear about the actual details of what and wherever this purported trip involved. Everything after that is speculation as the OP has clarity, and communication issues in his posting here. So before everyone gets all riled up and starts chasing tangents and conjecture let's find out from "Palle" what is what and the details of WTF he's talking about before the thread starts veering all over them map and any useful info will be lost to him. Just my $.02
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but off course, Brass! What do I know?!?! :biggrin:
Indeed. :coffeeread:
Brass
you need to go live in Ukraine for several years, learn the language so you can talk to regular falk on the street, really find out what's what and understand how things are... then you can tell me wether I'm wrong or right. Even then it will just be your opinion. Right now you are just expressing your e-pinion :coffeeread:
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
Welll that will be your problem then, if you are not a paying member you can write to as many as you like, but then the catch!!!!! they can not reply to you as a non paying member as much as they like you ::)
So you will never get any mail!!! unless you join and pay :)
Do i recommend it? it is where i met my wife :party0011:
Mark
Sparky, just curious, how many women in your estimate are on that site?
Ed
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I have no idea!!!! I was there long time ago. but it definitely has a success rate for over this side of the pond 8 out of the 12 couples i know all met there (and their married too) , but to use your words "what do i know", other than for me it worked. :biggrin:
So what is your angle on it?
Mark
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Sorry guys my post hre maybe was a little hasty:) I have been on a boat cruise, if you ever been to Sweden there is boats going back and fortf from Sweden to Finland and you are just having fun. I was there with my co-workers as like a kick-off so I wasn't in Ukraine.
Well to the subject. I have been talking to this girl for several months, and as I wrote, opend and read 38 letters from this girl before, also talked over msn. This letter dosen't feel like her, there is nothing in it we have tlaked about and there is nothing absolute nothing that confirms she even read my letter:S I aksed in her letter to her e-mail why she was in Crimea cause wasn't she supose to be on this practice she mention in a village outside Nikolayev. What she said to me, before she went so it could be wrong, was that she wouldn't have computer access besides on weekends when she come home. And for some reason this letter feels more like a first or second letter and not a 39 th. We have already dissussed some of that, well in short text, it dosen't feel like it is her that has written that. But to make sure I will call her when she is home on sunday.
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Now I could go in to her profile, I couldn't before cause it was under updating. And the new pictures really are her, that is making everything so strange.
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One more thing about her letter. In the last sentence she has written "Smile" three times. When you write a letter and then copy the text every smiley will get to text instead, if you know how I mean? Unless she has written "smile" it could be that the letter is copied.
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you need to go live in Ukraine for several years, learn the language so you can talk to regular falk on the street, really find out what's what and understand how things are... then you can tell me wether I'm wrong or right. Even then it will just be your opinion. Right now you are just expressing your e-pinion :coffeeread:
No, what you need to do is stop making sweeping generalities in topics that require specific answers to specific questions.
You are simply a Russian born US citizen in the translation business. I've yet to see any indication whatsoever in your contributions giving you authority to waste the membership's time posting useless generalizations.
Let people who have some experience with scammers assist a newer member with his concerns instead of trying to hijack yet, another topic.
Brass
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
Welll that will be your problem then, if you are not a paying member you can write to as many as you like, but then the catch!!!!! they can not reply to you as a non paying member as much as they like you ::)
So you will never get any mail!!! unless you join and pay :)
Do i recommend it? it is where i met my wife :party0011:
Mark
Sparky, just curious, how many women in your estimate are on that site?
Ed
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I have no idea!!!! I was there long time ago. but it definitely has a success rate for over this side of the pond 8 out of the 12 couples i know all met there (and their married too) , but to use your words "what do i know", other than for me it worked. :biggrin:
So what is your angle on it?
Mark
Sparky, I didn't say that it was impossible to meet a good woman in Ukraine, my single cousins lives there after all!!! :king:
I'm saying that the MOB industry is a huge business there and in my post I pointed out that it's not just limited to Odessa but rather effects the whole country. You can find a MOB agency pretty much in every town and lots of agencies in bigger cities. A very large percentage of girls that I've talked to in Ukraine either worked for this industry at some point, are working for it or know somebody who is/was working for it. many of them seem to be very well aware of this racket.
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Palle!
Did you write to any ladies there which cost is .50 or 1 credit if so how often did you receive letters?
you were writing to one lady that the cost was 17 credits to open one letter. This may not be the same lady you are now telling us about but you can use this as a guide.
the price per credit $1 you paid $17 dollars for one letter.
Their site is set up by the cost of letter and the popularity of the lady. So you already know the lady has several men writing to her if it is costing you 17 credits.
Judging how their system works I would guess maybe as many as 10 or more men, writing this one lady.
I base this on a lady I read about on another forum that had 4 men writing to the same lady at 5 credits per letter. And also keep in mind if the agency also lists her through several other sites then many more letters going out..
Here is where you have to use your head and to think about how much time this lady has to spend each day writing letters to each man? And ask your self could this even be possible? I guess as short as these letters are maybe so but unlikely.
When there is a popular lady and there is much money to be made through her correspondence you can be assured the agencies will not miss any opportunity to cash in on this. Yes it is very possible this lady could be looking for someone and she may not even know she is being exploited in this manner, but again a question you need to figure out yourself .is it the agency or the lady?
If you want to find these popular model type ladies on a site like SBL then you need to . Limit the amount of correspondence through the agency and make personal contact by phone or direct email . You have already done this and by doing so you have seen things are not what they should be. Being you have her personal contact information stop using SBL completely. If she can not write every day then correspond weekly and get on a plane and go meet her. It seems to me as much as you are spending on correspondence a weekend trip to the Ukraine would be reasonable choice.
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One more thing about her letter. In the last sentence she has written "Smile" three times. When you write a letter and then copy the text every smiley will get to text instead, if you know how I mean? Unless she has written "smile" it could be that the letter is copied.
I've previously been in correspondence with an FSUW who would write out (Smile, laugh, kiss, whatever) in her letters to detonate tone or emotion in her letters. So the fact that your lady does so isn't a red flag.. :popcorn: :reading:
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you need to go live in Ukraine for several years, learn the language so you can talk to regular falk on the street, really find out what's what and understand how things are... then you can tell me wether I'm wrong or right. Even then it will just be your opinion. Right now you are just expressing your e-pinion :coffeeread:
No, what you need to do is stop making sweeping generalities in topics that require specific answers to specific questions.
You are simply a Russian born US citizen in the translation business. I've yet to see any indication whatsoever in your contributions giving you authority to waste the membership's time posting useless generalizations.
Let people who have some experience with scammers assist a newer member with his concerns instead of trying to hijack yet, another topic.
Brass
when I assisted a guy in another thread by telling him that he was dealing with scam, and I was very sure about it you also challenged my opinion. You seem to just enjoy doing that. I pointed out that Odessa is hardly the only place where MOB business resides in Ukraine. That the whole country is involved and you can find MOB agencies pretty much anywhere in Ukraine, some honest but mostly dishonest. How is that a useless generalization? It's the truth. Not clear why you seem to have an issue with a statement like this or your challenging me in the other thread where scam was so obvious and I was just trying to help the guy out.
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What does MOB agency mean?
Palle!
Did you write to any ladies there which cost is .50 or 1 credit if so how often did you receive letters?
you were writing to one lady that the cost was 17 credits to open one letter. This may not be the same lady you are now telling us about but you can use this as a guide.
the price per credit $1 you paid $17 dollars for one letter.
Their site is set up by the cost of letter and the popularity of the lady. So you already know the lady has several men writing to her if it is costing you 17 credits.
Judging how their system works I would guess maybe as many as 10 or more men, writing this one lady.
I base this on a lady I read about on another forum that had 4 men writing to the same lady at 5 credits per letter. And also keep in mind if the agency also lists her through several other sites then many more letters going out..
Here is where you have to use your head and to think about how much time this lady has to spend each day writing letters to each man? And ask your self could this even be possible? I guess as short as these letters are maybe so but unlikely.
When there is a popular lady and there is much money to be made through her correspondence you can be assured the agencies will not miss any opportunity to cash in on this. Yes it is very possible this lady could be looking for someone and she may not even know she is being exploited in this manner, but again a question you need to figure out yourself .is it the agency or the lady?
If you want to find these popular model type ladies on a site like SBL then you need to . Limit the amount of correspondence through the agency and make personal contact by phone or direct email . You have already done this and by doing so you have seen things are not what they should be. Being you have her personal contact information stop using SBL completely. If she can not write every day then correspond weekly and get on a plane and go meet her. It seems to me as much as you are spending on correspondence a weekend trip to the Ukraine would be reasonable choice.
This isn't that lady and when you got a lady's contact info and she dosen't need an interpreter you could ask for "post-correspondence" and only pay one credit to open her letter if she dosen't have an e-mail adress in her contact info. This is what I have with Anastasia and I think her rate is 7-8 credits.
ECR844: OKey well that is possible but what I could remember she uses :) and ) to express her smileys but as you said, it dosen't have to mean anything.
When I got this lady's contact info, she was the first I got, I asked if she didn't have an e-mail adress, I only got a telephone number. She said "what? I have an e-mail why didn't they give it to you?" She apperntly had an e-mail that the agency would have but didn't give out:S We manage to send it ot me anyway:)
Maybe this is a strange questions but how do you all that have gone to Russia or Ukraine and meet women experienced how these lady's is willing to meet you? I know it is a big diffrence between lady's and such but in generall. Are they willing to do much to meet or is it if it fits them with everything or what could a guy expect?
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What does MOB agency mean?
"MOB" is "Mail-Order Bride".
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Aw thank you Manny!
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Ed,
Firstly, I do not "challenge" you, this would imply an element of equality in life experience which I do not believe you possess. I've pointed out several fundamental (rookie) errors you've made during your time here (two of which are in the 500 Rm) and constantly deal with your hard sell, segways and topic hijacking as part of my routine when on the forum - You remind me of an aggressive 'busker' on a tourist frequented causeway. :chuckle:
That the whole country is involved and you can find MOB agencies pretty much anywhere in Ukraine, some honest but mostly dishonest. How is that a useless generalization? It's the truth.
No, it's not - but that's not what you posted, is it?
Only Odessa??? Come on now! The whole country of Ukraine seems to be involved! It seems to be one of the most profitable businesses (or scams, what ever you wanna call it) in Ukraine, and naive foreigners just keep on biting!
Not allowing you to change the meaning of what you've posted when the inaccuracies are pointed out to you is also quite time consuming.
when I assisted a guy in another thread by telling him that he was dealing with scam, and I was very sure about it you also challenged my opinion...
...Not clear why you seem to have an issue with a statement like this or your challenging me in the other thread where scam was so obvious and I was just trying to help the guy out.
Again you are in error, I cautioned against a rush to judgement on Kevin's Intro thread separate and apart from what you were posting, it was you who decided to engage me.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7576.msg110531#msg110531
Brass
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Thank you sparky! Yes I will look for a girl more to my own age:)
Yes I have tried rusianeuro.com but not have been a paying member, I have just looked around, but you think that site is good?
Welll that will be your problem then, if you are not a paying member you can write to as many as you like, but then the catch!!!!! they can not reply to you as a non paying member as much as they like you ::)
So you will never get any mail!!! unless you join and pay :)
Do i recommend it? it is where i met my wife :party0011:
Mark
Sparky, just curious, how many women in your estimate are on that site?
Ed
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I have no idea!!!! I was there long time ago. but it definitely has a success rate for over this side of the pond 8 out of the 12 couples i know all met there (and their married too) , but to use your words "what do i know", other than for me it worked. :biggrin:
So what is your angle on it?
Mark
Sparky, I didn't say that it was impossible to meet a good woman in Ukraine, my single cousins lives there after all!!! :king:
I'm saying that the MOB industry is a huge business there and in my post I pointed out that it's not just limited to Odessa but rather effects the whole country. You can find a MOB agency pretty much in every town and lots of agencies in bigger cities. A very large percentage of girls that I've talked to in Ukraine either worked for this industry at some point, are working for it or know somebody who is/was working for it. many of them seem to be very well aware of this racket.
Ed,
I am so sorry but you are losing me here,
Let me help you a little here.
You asked me how many people on this site i wastaking about! i replied i did not know as it was a long time ago! then you refer to Ukraine! when all i was talking about was a dating site that i had found that worked for me
let me give you some statistics
I know 2 people that i have conversed with Mr Chris and Mr Wongs that have married an Ukranian lady that is my whole experience with the Ukraine
I am married to a Russian and never have set foot in Ukraine although i have no doubt it is a beautifull country and that your generalization that all ladies dating there are on the scam is some what wide of the mark. and to such end i do not agree with you
All the couples that i mix with are Russian lady and/English/welsh/Scots/|Irish male partnerships I am also aware of an Russian man / English man partnership so there you go now
My method is only one way of finding a life partner and it is one way of many that works, so the choice of Palle who is the main subject is vast all i was doing is posting a site that is popular and works this side of the pond
and lets face it at £30 something pounds it is not going to break the bank is it, so why not give it a try what have you got to lose!
Mark
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Mark, now you are loosing me! :duh:
why would I want to give that site a try when I'm happily married? I asked you about it since I;ve never heard of it and was curious how many women they have on it, nothing more, nothing less. Since you were a paying client I thought you might have some stats on it.
Brass:
I think you are reading into what I write too much. You see "self promotion" practically in anything I post.
I disagree that Odessa should be singled out as Ukraine's MOB industry center, and yes I think the whole country would qualify as such with all large and smaller cities involved one way or another. In contrast Russia, being a much larger country and having many more single women, compared to Ukraine, has only a fraction of MOB agencies and affiliated businesses that of Ukraine
Posted by: Brasscasing Posted on: Today at 04:52:52 PM
"Ed,
Firstly, I do not "challenge" you, this would imply an element of equality in life experience which I do not believe you possess."
Now in regard to this quote from you:
Now in regard to this quote from you, I think that you are being a bit presumptuous and tooting your own horn about how your life experience is somehow "superior" to the next guy's isn't what most people would expect from some one who truly possess such superior experience. Particularly that you really don't know much about my life experience other then what I care to disclose here on the forum.
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Brass:
I think you are reading into what I write too much. You see "self promotion" practically in anything I post.
I disagree that Odessa should be singled out as Ukraine's MOB industry center, and yes I think the whole country would qualify as such with all large and smaller cities involved one way or another. In contrast Russia, being a much larger country and having many more single women, compared to Ukraine, has only a fraction of MOB agencies and affiliated businesses that of Ukraine
And again a different answer.
Now in regard to this quote from you, I think that you are being a bit presumptuous and tooting your own horn about how your life experience is somehow "superior" to the next guy's isn't what most people would expect from some one who truly possess such superior experience. Particularly that you really don't know much about my life experience other then what I care to disclose here on the forum.
I find it presumptuous of you to post this statement. You are misrepresenting my quote by placing the word "superior"in quotations when I posted nothing of the sort, it is you who is reading too much into what I type.
I hope your clients are better served with your interpretive skills than I've been.
Brass
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Maybe this is a strange questions but how do you all that have gone to Russia or Ukraine and meet women experienced how these lady's is willing to meet you? I know it is a big diffrence between lady's and such but in generall. Are they willing to do much to meet or is it if it fits them with everything or what could a guy expect?
We seem to be losing sight of Palle's last question............
Ed - if you want to debate Brass on other issues, you can have an off topic thread to do it? Palle is here for advice; might we give him some?
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Maybe this is a strange questions but how do you all that have gone to Russia or Ukraine and meet women experienced how these lady's is willing to meet you? I know it is a big diffrence between lady's and such but in generall. Are they willing to do much to meet or is it if it fits them with everything or what could a guy expect?
We seem to be losing sight of Palle's last question............
Ed - if you want to debate Brass on other issues, you can have an off topic thread to do it? Palle is here for advice; might we give him some?
Manny, I wasn't looking to talk to Brass what so ever.
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Perhaps you might give Palle your considered opinion as a Russian guy, living in the west and "in the business"?
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Perhaps you might give Palle your considered opinion as a Russian guy, living in the west and "in the business"?
would love to if I find the time from responding to Brass's attacks. But then if I try to help Palle, it seems like no matter what I say Brass will challenge just for the kicks it seems. Remember when I told a guy that he was being scammed? Everything was there, all the signs, google confirmation, everything. Even then Brass decided to challenge my opinion when it was so obvious. I don't think he is being fair what so ever and frankly his behavior is not worthy of a mod. I'm referring to posts like this one below and in my thread where he is insinuating that I can't understand a RW.
Brass: "Firstly, I do not "challenge" you, this would imply an element of equality in life experience which I do not believe you possess"
was he Canadian president at some point and I missed it?
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would love to if I find the time from responding to Brass's attacks. But then if I try to help Palle, it seems like no matter what I say Brass will challenge just for the kicks it seems. Remember when I told a guy that he was being scammed? Everything was there, all the signs, google confirmation, everything. Even then Brass decided to challenge my opinion when it was so obvious. I don't think he is being fair what so ever and frankly his behavior is not worthy of a mod. I'm referring to posts like this one below and in my thread where he is insinuating that I can't understand a RW...
...was he Canadian president at some point and I missed it?
I do not attack in my rooms, I pointed out that you were making a sweeping generalization. This is the post:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7704.msg111581#msg111581
When something of this nature is pointed out, you've learned that if you pointlessly argue, it will more than likely get your mistake and the posts pointing it out removed or moved where it disappears so you can start the cycle all over again. I don't particularly agree with enabling your nonsense by disappearing it but I'm one of a team and abide by that.
Back to that intro topic again, eh? (again pointlessly referring to it) but I'll link it, yet again, so there's no mistake as to who "challenged" whom:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7576.msg110531#msg110531
Canada elects a Prime Minister. I don't point your errors, exaggerations and misinformation out for kicks, I point them out because as the Agency and SP Mod, I consider it a duty to the membership (to keep it real).
Brass
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I apologies for doing the rest of this in Swedish but It is only aimed at Palle.
Jag vet med 100% säkehet att SBL och de övriga sajterna som drivs av Natashaclub är fejk. Maila mig gärna om du vill ha detaljerna. Jag har dock vissa skäl till att inte göra bevisen publika här. Vi bara hjälpa en annan Svensk:-)
Sorry for that guys. I will release this to you all at a later date but for some special reasons I can't do it right now. Hope you understand.
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I apologies for doing the rest of this in Swedish but It is only aimed at Palle.
Jag vet med 100% säkehet att SBL och de övriga sajterna som drivs av Natashaclub är fejk. Maila mig gärna om du vill ha detaljerna. Jag har dock vissa skäl till att inte göra bevisen publika här. Vi bara hjälpa en annan Svensk:-)
Sorry for that guys. I will release this to you all at a later date but for some special reasons I can't do it right now. Hope you understand.
MickeL,
I don't know how to tell you this, but there are translators around now that are pretty good :-X
You may aswell of just posted it in English, its no secret now ;D
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I apologies for doing the rest of this in Swedish but It is only aimed at Palle.
Jag vet med 100% säkehet att SBL och de övriga sajterna som drivs av Natashaclub är fejk. Maila mig gärna om du vill ha detaljerna. Jag har dock vissa skäl till att inte göra bevisen publika här. Vi bara hjälpa en annan Svensk:-)
Sorry for that guys. I will release this to you all at a later date but for some special reasons I can't do it right now. Hope you understand.
MickeL,
I don't know how to tell you this, but there are translators around now that are pretty good :-X
You may aswell of just posted it in English, its no secret now ;D
:ROFL: Well at least he knows we all know now Chris, sometimes I sit and wonder, then sometimes I just sit!!!!!! :chuckle:
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MickeL,
I don't know how to tell you this, but there are translators around now that are pretty good :-X
You may aswell of just posted it in English, its no secret now ;D
Well, as I don't really say anything specific it really doesn't matter:-)
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MickeL,
I don't know how to tell you this, but there are translators around now that are pretty good :-X
You may aswell of just posted it in English, its no secret now ;D
Well, as I don't really say anything specific it really doesn't matter:-)
Well, next time you write in Swedish, please make sure it IS something specific :-X :laugh:
Just kidding MickeL, welcome to the forum.
Chris
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welcome to the forum.
Chris
Thanks Chris
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Welcome MickeL! tiphat
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Hello to everybody,
it would be intresting how Palles story ended...
I guess, he got some important information about SBW, cause the discussion finished after the last post.
kind regards from Sweden
Holger
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Welcome to the site Holger, tiphat
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Tjenare Holger! Welcome! tiphat
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Thank you for the welcome!
After reading a little and searching in the forum, I start to understand that men can make a lot of mistakes, if their braines are running on idle and the other "brain" takes over...
SBW is not longer intresting and as newbee I'm looking on other sides.
But still it seems quite difficult to sort out scammers early to avoid spending a lot of energy for nothing.
Stay cool, kind regards from Sweden
Holger
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Greetings to all!
At first I apologize for my bad english. I found this thread after I have googled for Single Baltic Ladies. Well, I will try to tell my story, and at the same time I will try to do that a bit anonymous, as maybe the woman I mention in the following isn't a fake. I have corresponded with this young woman from Russia about 20 mails. After 15 letter exchange you can ask for the contact information of a lady. At first I was surprised that the contact information consisted only about almost all information I knew. The name and surname, the city, and an e-mail-address (the e-mail-address being the only thing I didn't knew, emails, links and phone-numbers are being deleted in the messages). This woman is telling she can't speak unfortunately English, and that a translator is translating the letters. I did wrote her a short email to her account, yet after almost 2 weeks she haven't answered there, but keep contacting through SBL. Now I read this thread here and that most women on SBL are fakes, and get more suspicious. I asked her also about a meeting, she hasn't answered this question, at least told only it would be wonderful once, nothing more. Also a question about if she have internet-access at her home she hasn't answered. I have to say, otherwise she is answering all my questions. I would like to know if somebody can give me an advice, how to find out if this woman is just earning money through this agency, or if she is really looking for a relationship, and if possible an other advice than to meet her, as before meeting with her, I want to be sure she is real. I still want to add that I met in my life 2 other women in Eastern Europe, and we did had relationships for several years. I'm also surprised to see how few women at SBL can speak English, as from my trips there, many young people could speak English, yet on SBL maybe only about 5 % can speak English.
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Okay, today I got a new message concerning the mail I wrote to her account:
"it's so nice that you have written to my e-mail, unfortunately I haven't read it yet because I really don't have an access to the intermet from home at the moment, it's because my modem is broken, I don't really know what's up with it, and I will try to solve this problem as soon as possible!" ::)
I suppose I have been quite gullible :(
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I suppose I have been quite gullible :(
It can happen to anyone Kronos.
Welcome to the site by the way. tiphat
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Okay, today I got a new message concerning the mail I wrote to her account:
"it's so nice that you have written to my e-mail, unfortunately I haven't read it yet because I really don't have an access to the intermet from home at the moment, it's because my modem is broken, I don't really know what's up with it, and I will try to solve this problem as soon as possible!" ::)
I suppose I have been quite gullible :(
Welcome to RUA Kronos. tiphat
In Russia & Ukraine they have many internet cafes, she can get 30 minutes for about $0.20 or $0.30, so there is no reason that shecould not do this. :D
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Hi Guys
I just joined the SBL 14 days ago or so, and i got bombarded with mails, 250 mails within the first 48 hours. I got really surprised and immediately i became suspicious. So, this is what I wrote in my profile, under Ideal Match, to try preventing scammers, maybe naive, but it seem right to do at the moment :
Ideal Match:
Positive, outgoing and in touch with her self.
You have your own, or want you own career, IMPORTANT !!
Gold diggers or ladies without ambitions, visions and missions are not hot or wanted, sorry !! The right balance in a relationship/marriage are when both parties have other interest/hobbies and both are contributing to the household and the relationship, so if you are looking for a sponsor and a easy way out, you should keep trucking. I will go through hell and back for you, if i feel mutual love and respect !! You should be slimish and over 27 and under 40 :wink:
Well, that didn´t seem to scare any of the girls away, and several liked my frank way of writing, so i began writing with some girls and so far they appear nice and genuine. I only got to write with 5 girls and only 2 mails each so far, but then tonight i found this forum and read Palle´s story and your guy´s reply, and based on this, i have just mailed this mail to all the girls i write with :
Dear XXXX
We have a slight problem.
I have done a thorough survey about this web-site, and it seems to have a very big credibility problem and i will not let my self be scammed, so if you are for real, which i really hope, i would like to continue this contact as friends via Facebook, so if you are serious and not a scam, you will have to make a Facebook profile (it´s free and a lot of fun) and then you can catch me on FB, under my name Rasmus With, Denmark Network.
I´m so so so sorry it has to be this way and i really hope that your not a scammer, but i have to protect my self and my wallet before we go any further !!
It´s such a shame, and I am so sorry that i have to take these precautions, but this site has a very very bad reputation within Scandinavia, so if we don´t hook up on FB i will assume that you are a scammer and i will let you deal with the karma police, and look els where for a sweet and beautiful girl.
I will await your respond here on SBL, but after that, it´s FB or Goodbye, sorry to be so frank, but i hope you will understand and please do not take it personally, if you are a genuine girl with good intensions.....blame the mother :censored: ers who use these scams to make money on guys from the west, I just won´t wanna be one of them !!
So i will really look forward to hear you responds, and please don´t hate me, and don´t be a scam please. See Ya on FB.....i hope !!
Rasmus
and this to the girls i was about to contact :
Dear XXXXXX
You look like a very very sweet and beautiful girl and i wouldn´t mind getting in contact with you, but i´m having a slight problem.
I have done a thorough survey about this web-site, and it seems to have a very big credibility problem and i will not let my self be scammed, so if you are for real, which i really hope, i would like to continue this contact as friends via Facebook, so if you are serious and not a scam, you will have to make a Facebook profile (it´s free and a lot of fun) and then you can catch me on FB, under my name Rasmus With, Denmark Network.
I´m so so so sorry it has to be this way and i really hope that your not a scammer, but i have to protect my self, my wallet and especially my heart, before we go any further !!
It´s such a shame, and I am so sorry that i have to take these precautions, but this site has a very very bad reputation within Scandinavia, so if we don´t hook up on FB i will assume that you are a scammer and i will let you deal with the karma police, and look els where for a sweet and beautiful girl.
I will await your respond here on SBL, but after that, it´s FB or Goodbye, sorry to be so frank, but i hope you will understand and please do not take it personally if you are a genuine girl with good intensions.....blame the mother :censored: ers who use these scams to make money on guys from the west, I just won´t wanne be one of them !!
So i will really look forward to hear you responds, and please don´t hate me, and don´t be a scam please. See Ya on FB.....i hope !!
Rasmus
I´m now awaiting their respond, and are at the same time wondering if they ever will get the mail, or if it will be censured by SBL. I will keep you updated on this, if your interested !?
Keep trucking guy´s
Rasmus, DK
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Hi Guys
I just joined the SBL 14 days ago or so, and i got bombarded with mails, 250 mails within the first 48 hours. I got really surprised and immediately i became suspicious. So, this is what I wrote in my profile, under Ideal Match, to try preventing scammers, maybe naive, but it seem right to do at the moment :
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I´m now awaiting their respond, and are at the same time wondering if they ever will get the mail, or if it will be censured by SBL. I will keep you updated on this, if your interested !?
Keep trucking guy´s
Rasmus, DK
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Hello Palle,
About your posts and the responses. I have never looked at the web site you mention. But in my opinion no matter which site you use there is misrepresentation, in fact a fair amount. You can find allot of help here.
But one question not asked (yet) but rather important. Have you considered the rather heavy costs of have a spouse/partner from the former Soviet Union. While I have no idea about Sweden in the Netherlands you are looking more than € 7,500,= in direct expenses. This EXCLUDES your flights and other travel expenses.
If you and your spouse are from Morocco it is less. But than you are on the wrong forum.
In the Bible there is the parable of the man who started a building and did not have enough funds to finish it.
Kindly, Arie
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Hello Rasmus,
If you have read this thread in it's entirety then you are aware that SBL is a mirror site for 1st International Marriage. This is neither good nor bad in my opinion but really depends on how you use the site. Smaller agencies and sites will upload profiles of their female clients for maximum exposure. Since SBL is a mirror site once this is done all other mirror sites also use the profile also since it is a shared database. Usually the agencies who upload these profiles have a base administrator account which they can use to log onto their client's profile to download and retrieve letters as well as upload responses. They also have a tendency to send out broadcast letters to men which match their client's profiles. The system does not take into consideration the variables placed in men's profiles other then if you match the female profile criteria.
The message system works and if the lady's you are corresponding with are real they will get the letters and you their responses. I met my lady through a smaller agency and we migrated to one of the mirror sites because it was more convenient then using the smaller agency for a variety of reasons. We used the system until she establish internet at home and have moved completely away from the website and agency.
Keep in mind, as SBL is a mirror site and since you have joined SBL you have full access to any of the mirror sites and can log on your account at any of those associated sites.
You should not necessarily base your decision on someone else's account/story. A lot of the women do not have home internet access. My advice would have been to ask if they are using a smaller agency and see if that would have generated a response. The network scans all their letters and will omit certain words they have deemed to be "contact" information (ie, your facebook handle). I also learned that first hand with my lady when we were setting up the initial phases of my visit with her. Even contacting their customer support confirmed this even though I already had her home address/phone number/personal email I could not get past this unless I went through their process for obtaining her contact information. Hope that helps you some. It is my experience with 1st International.
Christopher
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Hi Palle and others,
While I am not certain who wrote it I know the price that it costs to open a letter is either set by the translator or the woman herself. It has nothing to do with popularity. Masha put the price low and had a woman control her profile. She only saw the interesting or amusing messages and replied to them. What her agent translator did with the rest Masha does not know.
At one level the translators and agencies are a bit of a "cottage industry" What I understand happens is that there are either local agencies or independent women/men with internet who post the profiles and foto's, do the translating and responses. One profile at say $5,25 is no big deal but assume that this one profile is communicating with say five men and the agency or free lance translator has 20 profiles. Well than the proceeds become attractive.
So you know, Very few women control there own profiles. Very few women read the out going (or incoming) messages.
If you try to put personal information (FaceBook your e.Mail address) it will be deleted. In my opinion put a question in that asks as example my favourite food is liver - what is yours AND ask them to answer this question first in their reply. If they do not answer well than the chance is that are reading template letters.
Unless you can go one the plane and visit the women the messages and writing are an form of entertainment. Of course if you go than the a number of the women will not show up, Oma is sick I had to go away on business, enzv. Well if you are lucky or write to enough women you might have a multiple choice but in fact you can only marry one (under most Western circumstances).
Kindly, Arie
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Hi Palle and others,
While I am not certain who wrote it I know the price that it costs to open a letter is either set by the translator or the woman herself. It has nothing to do with popularity. Masha put the price low and had a woman control her profile. She only saw the interesting or amusing messages and replied to them. What her agent translator did with the rest Masha does not know.
At one level the translators and agencies are a bit of a "cottage industry" What I understand happens is that there are either local agencies or independent women/men with internet who post the profiles and foto's, do the translating and responses. One profile at say $5,25 is no big deal but assume that this one profile is communicating with say five men and the agency or free lance translator has 20 profiles. Well than the proceeds become attractive.
So you know, Very few women control there own profiles. Very few women read the out going (or incoming) messages.
If you try to put personal information (FaceBook your e.Mail address) it will be deleted. In my opinion put a question in that asks as example my favourite food is liver - what is yours AND ask them to answer this question first in their reply. If they do not answer well than the chance is that are reading template letters.
Unless you can go one the plane and visit the women the messages and writing are an form of entertainment. Of course if you go than the a number of the women will not show up, Oma is sick I had to go away on business, enzv. Well if you are lucky or write to enough women you might have a multiple choice but in fact you can only marry one (under most Western circumstances).
Kindly, Arie
All viable points, Arie. I will interject, if I may, you are speaking of initial costs to open a letter. As a woman's popularity increases so does the associated cost of opening her letter...to the tune of .25 cents per new correspondent. This will fluctuate based upon how many men continue to write to her profile or how many new men open letters from her (broadcast emails are always free to open initially) that have responded to her initial email. However, once you pay to open a letter, whatever that may be, this cost will always remain constant for you regardless how much her profile fluctuates.
I can state that in my case my lady received every letter I sent to her as I had her obtain copies for me recently as the hard drive I had these saved to crash and burned. Her "operator" , as she calls her, saved every letter from each of us and I received a nice word document almost 70 pages long of our correspondence. Now, here is the interesting thing I found in this word document...you can tell in parts of her letters to me see where the translator polished the letters by cutting and pasting little things here and there to flesh out the letters. This became very noticable as I went through it and having corresponded with my lady outside the grips of the agency since November you tend to pick up on her collective grasp of the language and how she expresses herself through emails. The "fillers" were nothing substantial that would cause me to see any red flags but it did make for interesting reading on my part knowing these were not her words totally.
Christopher
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After reading some of the letters that WM receive from agency girls, and then making 3-way calls to these girls with a WM it becomes apparent that a girl doesn't write those letters.
1. when we call the girl's attitude on the phone is pretty cold and sometimes outright "oh shite, I wish I didn't have to bother with this BS". A striking contrast to a flowery warm letter that he received the day before where "she" wrote something like: "my dearest "Johnny" I can not describe by words how much I missed you and how my soul feels so empty without your letters. I am so looking forward to your visit and can't wait till we can embrace each other in real life...etc. etc." Some of the girls admit that they don't write those letters after I ask them directly. Others call in their agency translator and tell her what to write, most of the time just a couple of sentences and the translator makes a whole page out of that.
Needless to say that there is no way a WM can get to know the girl that he is supposedly communicating with this way. It's all fake. A WM will only start getting to know the girl he thinks he is communicating with once they meet face to face (unless she suddenly "gets very sick" on the day of his arrival and his agency sets him up with some other girl instead (bait and switch?).
IMO around 95% of pretty younger girls are in this for the money and have no interest in actual marriage to a WM. More average looking women who are a little older (like 30 and up) might be a bit more serious about it and not in it for the money.
I think that unless a WM is extremely good looking and witty and fun and can totally sweep a pretty young girl off her feet, going through a MOB agency can be a complete waste of time and money.
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A WM will only start getting to know the girl he thinks he is communicating with once they meet face to face
IMO around 95% of pretty younger girls are in this for the money and have no interest in actual marriage to a WM. More average looking women who are a little older (like 30 and up) might be a bit more serious about it and not in it for the money.
I think that unless a WM is extremely good looking and witty and fun and can totally sweep a pretty young girl off her feet, going through a MOB agency can be a complete waste of time and money.
I don't agree extremely good looking, but fair looking and you must have a hell of a lot about you...if you haven't got it you might as well forget it!.
BTW, that prerequisite is not the exclusive reserve of MOB agency's tiphat
BTW 2, I recall when walking through the city centre of Odessa with my wife hearing a western ( American voice )....."did you ask if i had eaten breakfast?", i turned around to observe whom was speaking, he was a gentelman of maybe 70 years of age, his question was to a very beautiful young lady ( 23 max ) accompanied with her interpreter whom was likewise young and very beautiful, of course it was hopeless and nothing was going to come of this internet arranged meeting, although he was very foolish to buy into the hype, i none the less felt a little sorry for him, and for a few moments i also felt a little embarrassment to be a WM, tiphat
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Needless to say that there is no way a WM can get to know the girl that he is supposedly communicating with this way. It's all fake. A WM will only start getting to know the girl he thinks he is communicating with once they meet face to face (unless she suddenly "gets very sick" on the day of his arrival and his agency sets him up with some other girl instead (bait and switch?).
IMO around 95% of pretty younger girls are in this for the money and have no interest in actual marriage to a WM. More average looking women who are a little older (like 30 and up) might be a bit more serious about it and not in it for the money.
I think that unless a WM is extremely good looking and witty and fun and can totally sweep a pretty young girl off her feet, going through a MOB agency can be a complete waste of time and money.
Wise words Ed. tiphat
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Hi Guys
I just joined the SBL 14 days ago or so, and i got bombarded with mails, 250 mails within the first 48 hours. I got really surprised and immediately i became suspicious. So, this is what I wrote in my profile, under Ideal Match, to try preventing scammers, maybe naive, but it seem right to do at the moment :
Ideal Match:
Positive, outgoing and in touch with her self.
You have your own, or want you own career, IMPORTANT !!
Gold diggers or ladies without ambitions, visions and missions are not hot or wanted, sorry !! The right balance in a relationship/marriage are when both parties have other interest/hobbies and both are contributing to the household and the relationship, so if you are looking for a sponsor and a easy way out, you should keep trucking. I will go through hell and back for you, if i feel mutual love and respect !! You should be slimish and over 27 and under 40 :wink:
This part I don't see too much wrong with, although if someone is translating, especially an agency, on your profile itself, I'd be curious how well 'gold digger' translates? :)
Dear XXXX
We have a slight problem.
I have done a thorough survey about this web-site, and it seems to have a very big credibility problem and i will not let my self be scammed, so if you are for real, which i really hope, i would like to continue this contact as friends via Facebook, so if you are serious and not a scam, you will have to make a Facebook profile (it´s free and a lot of fun) and then you can catch me on FB, under my name Rasmus With, Denmark Network.
I´m so so so sorry it has to be this way and i really hope that your not a scammer, but i have to protect my self and my wallet before we go any further !!
It´s such a shame, and I am so sorry that i have to take these precautions, but this site has a very very bad reputation within Scandinavia, so if we don´t hook up on FB i will assume that you are a scammer and i will let you deal with the karma police, and look els where for a sweet and beautiful girl.
I will await your respond here on SBL, but after that, it´s FB or Goodbye, sorry to be so frank, but i hope you will understand and please do not take it personally, if you are a genuine girl with good intensions.....blame the mother :censored:ers who use these scams to make money on guys from the west, I just won´t wanna be one of them !!
So i will really look forward to hear you responds, and please don´t hate me, and don´t be a scam please. See Ya on FB.....i hope !!
Rasmus
and this to the girls i was about to contact :
snip - basically the same letter, slightly modified..
I´m now awaiting their respond, and are at the same time wondering if they ever will get the mail, or if it will be censured by SBL. I will keep you updated on this, if your interested !?
Keep trucking guy´s
Rasmus, DK
I would be amazed if these made it intact through any agency translator. If somehow it did, I would not be very surprised if it turned off anyone who might have had any real interest - most don't prefer to have themselves called scammers and such. Your choice of words, as well as some grammar might also make it even less likely to be understood with the intent you are striving for. Even for those speaking English relatively well, say 8 or higher on a scale of 1 to 10, I would be very surprised if they knew what "karma police" or even "protect my wallet" and others mean.
I'm unsure what to say here, really. Personally, I would get off of any site that does not allow direct contact at initial contact of very soon thereafter. Regardless, you might want to choose your words a bit differently (harshness, simpler and more common phrases, grammar, your -> you're, etc.) if you expect much of an actual response. IMHO, obviously. Good luck.
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A striking contrast to a flowery warm letter that he received the day before where "she" wrote something like: "my dearest "Johnny" I can not describe by words how much I missed you and how my soul feels so empty without your letters. I am so looking forward to your visit and can't wait till we can embrace each other in real life...etc. etc." Some of the girls admit that they don't write those letters after I ask them directly. Others call in their agency translator and tell her what to write, most of the time just a couple of sentences and the translator makes a whole page out of that.
Needless to say that there is no way a WM can get to know the girl that he is supposedly communicating with this way. It's all fake. A WM will only start getting to know the girl he thinks he is communicating with once they meet face to face (unless she suddenly "gets very sick" on the day of his arrival and his agency sets him up with some other girl instead (bait and switch?).
I don't have any doubts regarding the above, and in those cases, I would agree with your opinion about "a huge amount of luck."
I think that unless a WM is extremely good looking and witty and fun and can totally sweep a pretty young girl off her feet, going through a MOB agency can be a complete waste of time and money.
I really fail to understand today why someone would pay agencies that lock in a translator as a barrier to communication. This would effectively change the dynamic into something similar to WMVM, assuming you visit when you really do not know any of the women at all. In short, it's sort of insane, IMO, especially when there are better options out there, whether free sites, subscription sites (like Match, no agency intervention), Ladagirl and a few others that don't "block" or force ongoing interactions through translators, or Eds services.
I guess I am just a little bit amazed, as it seems quite a few start down the paid agency route, sometimes with sites that a simple google for the site name would give enough information to look elsewhere, as well as usually provide some recommendations as well.
Note this is a generic statement - I do not know a thing about SBL, yet I think I would even place socials above an agency where the norm is to communicate in lieu of the woman/women in question.
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Needless to say that there is no way a WM can get to know the girl that he is supposedly communicating with this way. It's all fake. A WM will only start getting to know the girl he thinks he is communicating with once they meet face to face (unless she suddenly "gets very sick" on the day of his arrival and his agency sets him up with some other girl instead (bait and switch?).
IMO around 95% of pretty younger girls are in this for the money and have no interest in actual marriage to a WM. More average looking women who are a little older (like 30 and up) might be a bit more serious about it and not in it for the money.
I think that unless a WM is extremely good looking and witty and fun and can totally sweep a pretty young girl off her feet, going through a MOB agency can be a complete waste of time and money.
Wise words Ed. tiphat
I'd like to make it clear that my statement refers to MOB agency girls. It's a fantasy land - most of it is fake. Different rules apply in the general population of RW who are not involved in this business.
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It is true that some girls don’t want to meet me.
Some of you are guessing that she get 10% of what I pay.
What kind of prove do you have for that?
As I have investigated, the lady and the local agency cannot see the difference if I have read the letter, or just marked her letter as old.
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Figo,
Not entirely sure what you are saying, sorrie. For what it is worth there are members here Ed, Igor and many others who will repeat story after story of young women in dating agencies in the Former Soviet Union that advertise to men, primarily in North America and United Kingdom. The vast majority of these women/girls are not real. The majority do not want to meet you. So you know there is allot of money to be earned by sending messages out every day. This is what drives this industry.
The letters are written by "women" who could be third rate fiction writers. If you want to live by fiction read the letters that you get. It is no worse than going to a bar on a Friday night. But the World Cup Football is coming up so everyone will be distractred, hey this might be a time to go to Ukraine/Russia or South Africa.
Anyways there is enough information here, mostly in English that can help you figure out if a Slavic women is for you.
Success!
AvhdB
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If none have any prove, it can be false rumours that Single Baltic Lady / 1st International pays girls for making a lot of fake letters.
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If none have any prove, it can be false rumours that Single Baltic Lady / 1st International pays girls for making a lot of fake letters.
Figo, you are so close to the Baltic Sea. Why not use the agency, meet some girls and tell us how it went? That is truly the best way to find out if they are running an honest business, isn't it?
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I have been on the website Single Baltic Ladies for 24 hours now...
At first I was surprised by the number of girls/responses. Then I noticed some of them were being very general, even in their second message after I replied. I assumed they were just "trying their luck" by sending the same message to every man. This doesn't mean they are actually scammers, but there's no point in trying to write a personal message for each man, from their point of view?
Then, I did a search on the site and came across the Jim's list warning page. That really hurt. I have spent 14 years on the internet and I'm aware of most scams going on. I couldn't believe I fell for this one.
But reading other people's experiences and the reasons why they think SBL is a scam, it makes me wonder, because my situation is a bit different.
I sent messages to about 15 girls and I received messages from about 40 girls. Most of them were very general, not interesting or not my type, so I ignored them. Even the replies from most of the girls that I contacted myself, were very general. So that corresponds with what has already been said here.
However, there are two girls that I am most attracted to. They are the best-looking in my opinion, but they also respond to each and every individual question I ask them. We are (for the past 3-4 messages at least) talking about real stuff, like their lives, studies, hobbies. OK, that sounds general, but they tell me in detail what their likes/dislikes are after I asked them something. Might post the full transcripts here later. They are not "overly optimistic", like telling me that they want to spend their lives together. They are down to earth, actually came up with some knowledge about my home country and one of the girls told me their company will have a conference in a city here.
They are both telling me very different things. I don't have the feeling that they are the same person. I did find it odd that a first message was very eloquently written, while the others seemed more spontaneous (more spelling mistakes). Again, it's possible that she had some standard reply ready and corrected by a translator. In that message, she also had some lines catered specifically to me, so I did not think much of it. Now, there is no more general stuff, only responses to my talk and questions.
Their pictures are very professionally taken, which is strange. But one of them told me that she needed to do that in order to attract attention with so much competition there!
It is a bit odd that they both live in the same city (Nikolayev) though. But because they appear so sincere and genuinely interested in a conversation, it didn't set off any alarm bells in my head, while I am usually so careful not to get scammed!
They are either real OR they are scammers that have taken a very smart approach, because they actually respond to all my personal questions and ask me questions in return.
They also seem to have "correct" hours. It's not like they send me a message late at night and then get back to me very early in the morning (as different people working in an office would do). I haven't been on the site long of course, but their pattern of logging in and sending messages at different times seems acceptable. One girl was online in the afternoon for a few minutes and replied to me once, then came back in the evening and we had 3 exchanges. She hasn't been online today. The other girl just sent me 2 messages in half an hour time this morning, then went offline. Again, no alarm bells there.
Of course, the possibility of a scam is still very real, I am aware that it doesn't take a lot of extra effort to actually answer some questions instead of just sending general e-mails. But somehow, I am still hoping it is true.
I contacted the site on their American phone number. I was redirected to a lady in Russia. She told me she was aware of all the negative comments, but assured me that everyone was 100% real. But that's something that she would say, of course :-)
I actually found one of the 2 girls I'm talking to on vkontakte.ru through her name, location and birthdate. So that info seems to check out, but I have now sent her a message to check if she knows that her profile and pictures are on that SBL site.
So far I have spent about $100 opening e-mails. I will be a bit more careful now and only open e-mails from those 2 girls. It costs about $6 each. Once I have reached 15 e-mails, I will get their contact info. For me, it's worth it to at least continue until I get the contact info and then try to e-mail or call them.
My hopes have been lowered seriously, but even if it takes $100 more, it's worth it to find out. If it turns out to be fake, they may have taken my money now, but I will definitely let everyone here know. They may have taken some money from me, but this forum would then have a 100% sure definitive warning. Because Palle, the original topic starter, seems to have disappeared before any final conclusions could be taken.
If anyone wants to comment, feel free :)
I may be a sucker to continue with this, but I still very much want it to be true that 98% on that site are scammers and I have found the only 2 REAL girls! ;)
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I'm curious to find out if the girl that you found on vkontakte.ru will know who you are (she should off course if you've been talking to her through the agency, if the agency is legit that is) and if she is actually aware that she has a profile on that agency site.
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So far I have spent about $100 opening e-mails. I will be a bit more careful now and only open e-mails from those 2 girls. It costs about $6 each. Once I have reached 15 e-mails, I will get their contact info. For me, it's worth it to at least continue until I get the contact info and then try to e-mail or call them.
My hopes have been lowered seriously, but even if it takes $100 more, it's worth it to find out. If it turns out to be fake, they may have taken my money now, but I will definitely let everyone here know. They may have taken some money from me, but this forum would then have a 100% sure definitive warning. Because Palle, the original topic starter, seems to have disappeared before any final conclusions could be taken.
If anyone wants to comment, feel free :)
Hi Marco,
just my experience of SBL.
I messaged with a lot of girls and spent a lot of money in opening their letters:) Compared to the costs meeting them in a bar or restaurant, I still consider the cost being affordable.
In the end I asked her/their permission of the contact informations for USD 50 for each. This way I felt it was faster and more cost efficient than to continue to send/receive 15 messages. So, I got contact information of two women.
Before I got to this point I found out that some of the girls surely were not for real or serious. But it was pretty easy to tell if the correspondence felt like a conversation or not.
Ok, the first contact information I got was simply an email address. I wrote her that "finally we are free to communicate". Was so pleased doing so. The answer came back in a few day´s time and I was so disappointed. Why? Because she told me she could not speak nor write in English and this direct email contact is not so good for her:)!!! Of course not, now she needed to have the emails translated by someone. I quitted at this point with her. I made a mistake assuming that if she is a doctor of medicine she would communicate in English for sure. Not in Ukraine.
The second requested contact information was complete: it had the full name, street address, phone number but no email address. At this point I asked advice on this board since I felt the lack of email address was a scam. Yes, I did. Stupid me. I had no understanding that someone might do fine without an email address.
I waited like for two long days and then called her. She answered and we had a pleasant phone call. At this point of my pursue of "my other half", I was fully aware of the scamming around in these international relationships. I asked myself that how can I be sure this person is really her and matches the pictures of her profile. I knew I was talking to a female for sure and not to Igor but I needed to be sure I was talking really with HER.
Luckily, it is very easy in Ukraine to have flowers sent to your special someone. And taken a picture at the moment the flowers are given:) The proof came quite fast. All well! I am dealing with a person that gave me permission for her real address and phone number. And in the picture the flower delivery company sent me, she was definetely the same person as in her profile at SBL.
We talked many times on the phone. I even think that her English improved during that period of a month. Or it was just us both learning each other´s dialects. Anyway, it was always a special moment with her on the phone. We did not have problems in understanding each other.
Then the planned trip to Kiev came. I traveled there in May/2010 for 3 nights just to get a feel of the place. We decided to meet at 2 pm Sunday afternoon. Lutheran as I am, I was waiting for her at the hotel´s terrace a quarter to 2. The waiting was the hardest part:)
At 2:30 I sent her an SMS asking her whereabouts. No answer, and I was figuring out there´s something wrong here. At 2:45 I ordered a beer and said to myself it was a little too good to be true. Then, the phone rang and it was her. I called her back and asked what is going on here? She said in smilish way that.........."ooh, I was shopping"........., and she promised to be close to the gate´s of the hotel in 5 minutes.
My heart pounding I walked through the gates and saw her standing 50 meters away from the hotel´s premises. We hugged and started to walk around the city centre. While walking we talked about all kinds of things and finally ended up in a nice restaurant for a lunch.
During the lunch, I guess because of the many phone calls made earlier, she felt so familiar with me (like I did on her) that she´d speak to me about an hour, me only nodding at times and staring at her eyes all the time.
In the end of our meeting we went back to my hotel (again, she would wait outside the gate) to fetch some gifts from my hotel room for her. We hugged and then she was gone.
Back home a couple a days later I got a call from her. I called her back and she told me that she is sorry but someone else got there before me............ Well, sad thing but I am happy I met her!
That was the story part. And now a few thoughts of SBL being a scam or not: there was not a moment that she did not sound serious and true in all phone conversations. All her letters were part of the then on-going conversation and answered my questions 100%. During our meeting, she was exactly like I´ve learned her to be. And boy, is she great!
But, I still think she gave me an excuse telling somebody else got there first, which by itself is ok and she has the right for saying so whether or not it is true. I just checked her profile and she is still pretty busy at the site writing letters at 19,75 a piece:) Do I feel scammed? No, I just paid for a lunch, some gifts and her taxi fare. And had fun time in her country and the city of Kiev. And will go there again.
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That is very good to know Findavid! Thanks!
But: about the girl who didn't speak English well enough to write e-mails. Had you messaged her before? Was it always done through a translator then?
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Hi Marco,
just send you a PM.
BR,
Pekka
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The profile of one of the girls is now "unavailable to view". She has 1 unread message in her outbox from last night.
I contacted the helpdesk and they say that the girl has not been in touch with them for several days now. While she has sent me several messages, the last one only 12 hours ago!
When I told the helpdesk that, they say she has been in touch with her translator but not with them.
When I told the helpdesk that she doesn't use a translator but writes the messages herself (at least that's what she told me), the person replied that it's possible, but that they will call her today and reactivate her account if she replies.
Maybe she did come online to check her messages, but didn't respond to a request from the administrators of the site? It's a bit strange, to say the least.
It could also be this, here is a complaint I found on jimslists:
"I've been writing to this one girl in Nikolayev for many months now, and the week before I was to actually fly to Nikolayev the girl's profile was deleted. I contacted Gregory and he told me that they have administrative issues, but they will get her online very soon. It's been two weeks now."
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The other girl replied to me via vkontakte.ru, albeit very short. I asked her: "can you please confirm that it's you on SBL"?
Her first reply was: "confirm? how?"
Then I just asked her a more direct question: "I have been sending messages to you on that site. Are you the one answering them?"
She just now replied: "It's really me!"
So that leaves 2 options: 1) it's really her. 2) the scammers are REALLY smart and they opened a vkontakte account for her :laugh:
But I think that would be too much effort. I don't want to see scams everywhere. I think I'm good!
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The girl now says that she has very bad English and she uses an interpreter to write messages, unfortunately. So I'm not sure how much of it was actually from her and how much has been fluffed by the translator. But on vkontakte, she still says she would like to keep talking (and not even through SBL, where it's paying).
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What do you think?
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2) the scammers are REALLY smart and they opened a vkontakte account for her :laugh:
Why would you imagine that to be strange? It would take Fat Yuri all of a few minutes to do that. If you sent him a few hundred, it would have been time well invested.
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2) the scammers are REALLY smart and they opened a vkontakte account for her :laugh:
Why would you imagine that to be strange? It would take Fat Yuri all of a few minutes to do that. If you sent him a few hundred, it would have been time well invested.
that's very true...I didn't even think about that! From the stories I've read so far on this thread it sure sounds like a typical Ukrainian scam operation. Bt the way why is it called Single BALTIC lady if they are selling Ukrainian women there? And from what I read this is the correct discription IMO - "selling". Well maybe they are not selling women but for sure they are selling the fantasy of a woman...come on guy, wake up! She has you fly to Kiev, then a couple of days later she tells you that she is involved with another man? This is such a BS story.
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that's very true...I didn't even think about that! From the stories I've read so far on this thread it sure sounds like a typical Ukrainian scam operation. Bt the way why is it called Single BALTIC lady if they are selling Ukrainian women there? And from what I read this is the correct discription IMO - "selling". Well maybe they are not selling women but for sure they are selling the fantasy of a woman...come on guy, wake up! She has you fly to Kiev, then a couple of days later she tells you that she is involved with another man? This is such a BS story.
Whilst I agree you with Ed I bet there's many a FSU lady who has travelled to meet her WM, only to be told a few days later that her Prince is now 'committed' to someone else. :8)
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that's very true...I didn't even think about that! From the stories I've read so far on this thread it sure sounds like a typical Ukrainian scam operation. Bt the way why is it called Single BALTIC lady if they are selling Ukrainian women there? And from what I read this is the correct discription IMO - "selling". Well maybe they are not selling women but for sure they are selling the fantasy of a woman...come on guy, wake up! She has you fly to Kiev, then a couple of days later she tells you that she is involved with another man? This is such a BS story.
Whilst I agree you with Ed I bet there's many a FSU lady who has travelled to meet her WM, only to be told a few days later that her Prince is now 'committed' to someone else. :8)
possibly, Vinn...don't know about "many" though. Typically a RW will not travel to meet a man (unless she had plans to go there anyway). I'd say that most won't unless all expences are paid for her and she can make a nice vacation out of this trip with or without the guy.
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possibly, Vinn...don't know about "many" though. Typically a RW will not travel to meet a man (unless she had plans to go there anyway). I'd say that most won't unless all expences are paid for her and she can make a nice vacation out of this trip with or without the guy.
I was thinking more about ladies who travel a 'few hours' to meet their guy in Kiev and she wasn't what he thought he was so he dumps her. I've met a few of those.
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possibly, Vinn...don't know about "many" though. Typically a RW will not travel to meet a man (unless she had plans to go there anyway). I'd say that most won't unless all expences are paid for her and she can make a nice vacation out of this trip with or without the guy.
I was thinking more about ladies who travel a 'few hours' to meet their guy in Kiev and she wasn't what he thought he was so he dumps her. I've met a few of those.
Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, maybe she just wasn't into him and that was her way of saying that... But who knows? The first girl out of 2 he paid to contact appears to be scam. The second one we won't really know. I still have no clue why the agency with the name
"Single BALTIC lady" offers Ukrainian women to WM. Judging by the name of it I would think that the women would be from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. I don't know what the deal is and can only guess: is it easier for them to make "arrangements" with Ukrainian women since they are more experienced in this business and are more open to making extra cash? It's a question, not a statement by the way.
Does any one know if this agency is located in one of the Baltic states or in Ukraine?
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Oh, I see what you mean ..........
Let's be honest Ed, their name and location is pretty much irrelevant as their target audience probably thinks The Baltic's is anywhere east of Nova Scotia.
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Oh, I see what you mean ..........
Let's be honest Ed, their name and location is pretty much irrelevant as their target audience probably thinks The Baltic's is anywhere east of Nova Scotia.
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There really does seem to be a ton of paranoia over whether a lady is a scammer or not based upon what site she is on. Don't you all wonder if these ladies wonder if you all are scammers also? WM do have a pretty bad reputation and rightly so from the few guys that I met when I was in Odessa.
The fact is that a woman might be a scammer and she might not. The only way to know is to go see her. Even then you run the risk of getting into a relationship with someone that might only want you for a green card or alimony after the divorce or to sell one of your freshly harvested kidneys on the black market. Who knows!?
It doesn't matter if it is a Ukrainian girl or a American girl. You still buy your ticket and take your chances. Yes, try to use some common sense but I know that with my lady trust is a huge thing. She could have dumped me a half dozen times because I had to keep on postponing my trip but she hung in there. And I don't know how many times I've gotten paranoid and had a female friend talk me down by telling me to give her the benefit of the doubt only to find out that I was being a paranoid jacka$$. Both of us tell each other that we trust the other whenever there is any sort of doubt creeping in on us. It is difficult to trust someone like this but what are your choices?
All I care about is if I get the girl in the end and ride off into the sunset (and that is when the real work begins!). Not just so I can be happy but so I can share my life with her and make her happy. For me, she comes first. Everything else is bull$h1t for me. I've had my heart broken a few times and I am sure I broke a few hearts getting here but I genuinely care about this lady...this human being... and she seems to care about me to so whatever tomorrow holds I will take it.
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Hello Everybody, I am MarkyD from Alabama and a complete greenhorn in regard to international e-mail correspondance with FSU women. I would like to describe my experience with SBL thus far as my experiences are similar to Palle's early experiences. While I-net surfing one night I found myself at the SBL webpage and thought "why not, what do I have to lose". I filled out a profile and soon had an active profile but no photo. My e-mail was soon flooded anyway. I thought "All these smoking hot young things will write to a 53 y/o hillbilly sight unseen; unbelieveable". I started writing letters immediately and began a relationship with a tall blond statuesque " profile". I made every possible rookie mistake including whining about my bad experiences, bare chest photos, etc. I wrote her things I would never say to an American woman under any circumstances yet she seemed to be OK with it and soon invited me to visit her in Ukraine. Is it possible that this is not a scam? Her profile indicates she is 41y/o yet her pictures indicate she is somewhat younger. This has to be a scam, right.
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Hello Everybody,
I am MarkyD from Alabama ............
Hello Mark. Maybe or maybe not. In my experience then scammers don't tend to claim to be in their early 40's, so that's a possible good sign.
Have you been communicating with her via her private email address? Have you Googled her email address and a few lines from her emails? Has she sent you other photos that aren't on her profile? Have you ran a few of her photos through Tineye? Do you have her telephone number and have you spoke to her?
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Marky,
Welcome to RUA adventures. While I am not certain I am a success story, there is allot of good advice and wisdom on these threads, from members who have found a Slavic woman as a partner.
My guess if she claims to be 41 she might be real. Have you spoken with her outside of SBL? One option is to have a native speaker contact her.
See if she has a Face Book page and speak with her and see if what she says is the same as what she wrote.
On the other hand if you start reading her the Miranda rights you might just put her off.
AvHdB
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Hi everybody, SBL seems to be a US registered company, so they stay inside the border, or the administrators could go to jail. Pure scam is usually from ex-FSU companies.
I think most women are real, but the first mails you receive don´t come from the ladies, but from an automatic wide scale mailing device managed by SBL (mails are stupid, all on the same pattern, and way too inviting. After registration i received some 850 mails in 1 year, none of them but one refering to the peculiarities of my profile, and this despite i has posted no photo on the site. No woman, russian or martian, will ever hang herself around your neck before she has seen your face).
So the first mail you receive is fake, unless obviously referring to something special you wrote in your bio, i would say once every 50 mails if your photos are on line and not too horrible.
Then you write, for free, and your letter is controlled and translated and censored , and somebody or something replies, and the reply is definitely controlled and translated and censored as well, arriving in some perfect english while most girls speak bad english or don´t speak at all. But if you communicate with different girls you start feeling some differences in the way the lady writes , some specific style proper to Katia but not to Oksana, and different from Tania´s, and this i think is a good test to guess if there is a real lady writing to you or not. I think SBL cheats at lot, but creating as many writing styles as the number of your pen-pals is just too difficult. And it is more simple to give them a percentage than to have the letters written by an appointed junior scam artist. But at this point you will have already spent 200 dollars.
Plus, the letters have to be real because you have to pay to read them, so that would be where the real scam and the risk for jail would begin; while the fake 1st e-mail was free as well as your 1st answer, so no money involved, no offense.
(to be continued)
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i just read this thread for the hell of it. let's agree to close it.
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Sky Dude, Clintrep, Marky,
Welcome.
It would be polite to introduce your selves, no one present has all the answers but we can assist each other.
So you know there are other posters who might have a more direct reply and opinion to your posts. But everyone should get the benefit of the doubt, for a few posts.
AvHdB
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She want's to meet but can't because of her work but maybe I'm too naive again:P
What's so naive about that? The job situation RU and the FSU is quite tough right now as I understand it. She may just have decided that having a stable income is more important than entertaining key board romeo who or may not be worthy of her. Would you throw away your job in this economy just to spend time with a casual acquaintance for a week? There are scams, and there are things to be leery of. That's why we encourage you to do due diligence and learn all you can here and about her. But the mere fact she doesn't want to put her livelihood and future in jeopardy for a wanna be stud says more about her common sense than her 'scammer potential' YMMV..
That happened to me once, also. This one lady was not working for a bit, and finally gets another job on the week of my trip.....
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Hello. . I'm new here. I tried out the Single-Baltic-Ladt website a few months ago. I have a story to relate that may be of help.
It was back in early June and I had registered 400 credits or dollars on the website on my credit card. Anyways I am a suspicious guy at the best of times. I had been intending to go to Russia nd the Ukraine regrdless and that is how I had come across the dating website. I never took the site in any serious way. I did buy credits on the Credit card but the one I use for the internet has a small limit and has fraud protection. So to get back to the story after realising the letter opening could run up a lot of cash (after burning through about $150 opening some letters that ignored my questions about them and sometimes literally were one line only saying absolutely nothing at all). So after a couple weeks I wrote the adminstrator and asked for a refund of my money and I had about 300 bucks in credits on the ballance. Anyways the next day I got back and email from them and I was told the refund had been executed. I also asked the guy a bunch of questions about the legitimacy of their women and operation. To my surprise I got an email back the next day answering all my questions in good point form. This shows somebody there is responding to complaints at least. Also I checked my credit card statement when it came and sure enough the money had indeed been refunded.
I still have an account there and enjoy browsing all the hot babes on there but I think it is buyer beware. I mean does anybody believe a 22 year old bombshell would go out with a 40 plus year old bald dude. get serious. The proof is in the pudding as they say. I'd like to here from people who have actually met and married somebody from this website. Has anybody been to any of these agencies in person. I'm going to Russia/Ukraine in the spring anyways but it would be nice to have some dinner company.
Some warning signs for me are:
-large age ranges for desired men from the women eg. 20-65 . . .does this make sense from a 25 year old
- ignoring direct questions you give them in your letters
- overly flowery obsequious language in letters that say absolutely nothing about them
- ask for a photo of her in a place in the city she claims to be from (use google earth to scout landmarks for example Odessa opera house
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Some warning signs for me are:
-large age ranges for desired men from the women eg. 20-65 . . .does this make sense from a 25 year old
- ignoring direct questions you give them in your letters
- overly flowery obsequious language in letters that say absolutely nothing about them
- ask for a photo of her in a place in the city she claims to be from (use google earth to scout landmarks for example Odessa opera house
Ranger of the North,
Welcome here.
Some one who uses common sense in there first post that I think should earn you a so-called Tee shirt, ask Moby for it!
Other members will check your ID and see if you are not promoting something but if you fill in some details about who you are and what you are seeking that might save some negative posts.
Give those who have been there and done that a travel report and get some popcorn and enjoy, learn as well as teach.
AvHdB
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Did u actually go to Ukraine and checked this thing?
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Did u actually go to Ukraine and checked this thing?
Striker,
Welcome, can you introduce your self? Which thing you are referring to that needs checked. Women are not things in my vocabulary.
But yes I have been numerous times to the Ukraine.
AvHdB
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For the good order I certainly have checked them out. And not from the bleeding book house.
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Single Baltic Lady certainly is a trying experience. I seem to be constantly complaining to their customer support team. They are managed by a guy called Gregory Yarmosh and he will do anything but help you. I would say in fact he was complicit in defending dishonest or even scamming ladies on the site. There was a clear case when the lady in question said that we should chat for 2 years to develop relations by email before we meet. In the mean time she wanted present s sent to her. I provided all the emails to Yarmosh who then proceeded to tell me that there was not enough evidence.
Whereas I do believe some of the people are in fact real expect no actual support from the customer support team. They include the general manager Gregory Yarmosh, Maya, Maria plus a few others. They will defend to the death the non-refundable policy of the $50 it cost to buy a womans contact details. In one case I asked if I could have her details. She said yes. I pay $50 and the request is declined. I am in dispute with Yarmosh again but I know he will do nothing. He seems comfortable with being crooked.
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Hello Simone,and welcome to this site.
Thanks for the info.Single Baltic Lady is a mirror site of Natasha club.com,and Ist International,with identical girls,so best advise would be to get out of there....quickly.
Google Natasha club scams for further info.
Avoid all pay per letter sites,which are set up just to part you from your hard-earned cash,with no way of knowing if you're even exchanging letters with the girls in the photo's,or agency staff,who could be male or female.
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Agree with chelseaboy. Such sites are fine if you have loads of time and money and are not really that interested in finding a genuine lady. Alternatively, if you regually win several millions each year on a lottery, then give em a go. ;D
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Thanks Chaps, Yes best to admit defeat on Single Baltic Lady. All I managed was to talk to one girl on the phone and even she seems to have thinned out. I am also about $800 lighter and achieved squat apart from wasting time, money and effort. Thanks Chelseaboy. Can we hit back at these sites or make more people aware or has this all been thought of and brushed under the carpet?
Incidentally I have tried AnastasiaDating and I actually did meet the girl in question. She wasn't quite what I was looking for but at least she was what was written on the tin.
Cheers
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I am also about $800 lighter and achieved squat apart from wasting time, money and effort.
Most men in this endeavour find there wallet much lighter from similar type sites, as it's called learning the lesson the hard way (I'll freely admit I was one of them). Similar to what Vinny wrote, if you feel really lucky or are spending money you would not worry about if you lost it at the casino, then give it a try, but otherwise avoid such sites as the ROI is not very attractive.
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The only way to hit back at these sites is for men to stop using them.
The problem is the girls are very alluring,and the marketing of them,by their local agencies and the big websites, is very good.What single,hot-blooded man can resist ? Unless he's a very shrewd guy,like some members on here are,he probably won't.That's why these sites are making fortunes.
New guys believe the hype,and get sucked in.Even in the unlikely event that they read one of these forums before they venture into the world of BS these sites are,their male pride thinks they can beat the system and land one of those hotties under 30,and take her back to their own country.I haven't heard of any man being succesful yet,but it may rarely happen.There is a reason why Ukrainian marriage agencies advertise for girls aged 18-30 to work for them.Foreign men have got more chance of finding a serious girl aged over 30,and a lot more chance if she's over 35.The vast majority of girls on those sites are under 30,so the odds of finding a serious,sincere girl on them are very small.
Like many others i've tried,spent a lot of time,money,and emotion,and got nowhere.
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Yes good advice thanks Chelseaboy. I have berated the Odessa based manager Gregory Yarmosh for his deceit and complicity in swindling men out of their hard earned cash. I have many examples now of this guy being an obtuse w***er and defending the position of a female who will do anything other than give you a functional telephone number. The ones I have been given do not function or are 'temporarily unavailable'. Bearing in mind you must pay $50 each time you request a woman's number on top of the cost of all the emails you have received from her. I have found that the women appear to be very keen right up till the point you have parted with the extra cash. It strikes me that even if the women are real, that they are more than likely on the pay roll. This may be done through their local agency of course. I have many transcripts from emails with the manager Gregory Yarmosh where he makes all sorts excuses for the ladies such as 'she may have lost her phone' or he will blatantly ignore your point. All I can say is that this guy absolutely cannot be trusted. I am told that on the Ukraine level that he is the man at the top. If this man is fundamentally corrupt as I believe he is then logic would dictate that the whole agency Single Baltic Lady cannot be trusted either. He has of course threatened to throw me off the site, which is fine by me. I am sure I registered with an overseas address otherwise I am sure I might be the receiver of some Ukrainian revenge campaign. It is my aim now to make it clear to you guys that I believe Single Baltic Lady to be an unscrupulous and corrupt dating agency and one I would suggest to avoid unless you want to be hoodwinked and fleeced.
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The only way to hit back at these sites is for men to stop using them.
The problem is the girls are very alluring,and the marketing of them,by their local agencies and the big websites, is very good.What single,hot-blooded man can resist ? Unless he's a very shrewd guy,like some members on here are,he probably won't.That's why these sites are making fortunes.
New guys believe the hype,and get sucked in.Even in the unlikely event that they read one of these forums before they venture into the world of BS these sites are,their male pride thinks they can beat the system and land one of those hotties under 30,and take her back to their own country.I haven't heard of any man being succesful yet,but it may rarely happen.There is a reason why Ukrainian marriage agencies advertise for girls aged 18-30 to work for them.Foreign men have got more chance of finding a serious girl aged over 30,and a lot more chance if she's over 35.The vast majority of girls on those sites are under 30,so the odds of finding a serious,sincere girl on them are very small.
Like many others i've tried,spent a lot of time,money,and emotion,and got nowhere.
Some of the guys that come to me for help do it only after they had spent in the area of $20,000 on scam. An expensive lesson IMHO. But you are right, it is hard for men to resist the temptation of talking to model quality young hotties if they feel that the girls might be really genuine. And these agencies are very good at doing the job of convincing men that it's all for real and are doing an excellent job marketing these girls to the gullable, lonely WM. Meanwhile when I tell them the truth, the real deal, they don't want to listen in most cases. The little head usually prevails :nod:
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Here is my story, since 2009 i have been a member on the single Baltic Lady website
and it state's that when you open at least 15 paid letter's to a lady you can request there contact details, well here is what happen's they might write one are two letter's to your personal e-mail after that the writing stop's, then if you write back to them asking why they not write back the just make exuse like they need a translator, or it is easier for them to use dating website, i know i have been stupid but i must have about 10 contact's of womens e-mail which i believe to be false, you have been warned!!
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In that both of these thread basically deal with the same agency they perhaps be could merged.
Here is the other thread.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=5522.15
Unless you feel lucky - I would avoid these agencies. BUT there is wheat (real women) between all the chaff.
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Is single baltic lady totally a scam?
Yes, it totally is!
I have been scammed, and it is very convincing because they use real girls to write to you in their own style which creates a 'real' person feel about the experience.
You pay to open each email and to get personal contact details. Once you have done this, the line goes silent. This from women who have previously addressed you as 'sweetheart' 'darling' 'dearest' etc etc. Yeah, I know, I thought it was a bit over the top at the time.
Here's another one to avoid: Flying Hearts or Czech Bride, based in Prague. Run by former beauty queen Gabriela Justinova. I paid around $1100 for four dates (blind date- matchmaker service) and was told Gabriela would meet me and introduce me to the women. She couldn't attend because she was 'on holiday'. For my money I met one woman and was given the email of another who I never met. Gabriela said she would refund me, then stopped replying to my mails.
I am an idiot :dh:
It 's not all bad news. Here is a non scam site; Elenas Models. I have visited Odessa, Lugansk, and Kiev twice and met four woman from this site. One was a scammer whose profile was removed from the site due to complaints from men. The second was enigmatic, beautiful and just plain weird (perhaps a scammer). The third seemed to be genuine and the fourth was an excellent, genuine and kind person.
Good luck guys. Look on your visit as an adventure and a chance to see an amazing country, just don't expect too much on the romance front.
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Hi Guys,
My apologies if I am not using this forum correctly. The trail seemed to go cold on the SBL topic. Thought I would contribute this.
I thought it was a giant scam, but perhaps after all there are genuine women there. After I read all the forum stuff here and kicking myself for not reading it before I parted with $300 I changed my profile photo to one of myself in drag with big tits and a blonde wig, God I'm ugly! (50 yo bloke) :ROFL: . I changed my personal description to a word for word copy of data from an industrial magazine about hard stone flooring (boring no?). :Zzzzsleep: Well waddayaknow? I am inundated with letters from hotties saying what a great guy I am and how interesting my profile/thoughts are.
Ok, so I reply to these letters (the first reply is free of charge). I studiously get their names wrong and post surreal, dadaist mails about my enthusiasm for my collection of old light bulbs and the problems of finding woman's clothing size 24.
Ok, I sound like a jerk, but it amuses me. I can find out how far I can push this beyond the realms of normal discourse and so discover how fake SBL is. Also, importantly, if I am pissing off any genuine women, with luck they will leave the site which is infested with, and seems to endorse, scammers.
Hope I haven't done wrong? tiphat
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Pug,
On one side this is an amusing waste of your money.
On the other side assume you talk with one real woman who for some reason ended up on the site of 1st International ~ Single Baltic Woman. Reading your messages she just might form the opinion that there are men who are real "jerks" in the west.
So far as I can see everyone has said the majority of profiles are not real why not spend your energy on being your self, with real women?
AvHdB
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AvHdB
Good point.
Firstly my money is spent and I am not spending any more on this nonsense: reading the first letter is free, replying is free.
Secondly, I reply to obvious scammers who have asked me to write requesting their passwords to private photos, or to urge me to view their videos, both of which cost more money.
Thirdly, you are right and anyway I have a life to get on with which is marginally less sad than all this. I will delete my profile.
Thanks and good luck. tiphat
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Pugalunn
I have demanded a full rebate from SBL and have been assured the money will be in my account this week (3 working days) They do have a big badge offering a full refund if you are unhappy with their 'service', so it's at least worth an email, no? I do understand your dealings with them have gone on alot longer than mine, but nevertheless....
I'll let you know if I receive it on my other (London newbie) thread.
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@Palle and Pugalunn,
I asked for and received a full refund off SBL. I suggest you write and ask for one too if you are still unhappy.
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Hi members.
I am OnlyDaddyo and i have to say that it is realy hard to protect the members on a site against scammers.... i have been contact with several ladies and SBL and no one of them have been a scammer!
Ok it is an expensive site to communicate with ladies,therefore it takes some time´s for the ladies to get some answers.... but if you guys have patient you real get theire personal information.
The thing is... that the ladies have to feel secure to you know,there is to many who has been double crossed of nice man and when they come to the man they had to work as something no one wish for.
I am not just searching a women iam also a scammer hunter ;) , as soon i found a scammer they been traced and reported :-*.
There is so many good tracing program and tracing site´s you can use,but guys... dont be so blue eye´d and belive all you see and read,the truth comes to the surface every time!
And ladies who search... be careful so you dont get hooked up with a bad guy who gona use you as private buisness body ( just for the money ).
Ps:The baltic ladies are probebly the most beautyful ladies in the world ;)
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Hi members.
I am OnlyDaddyo and i have to say that it is realy hard to protect the members on a site against scammers.... i have been contact with several ladies and SBL and no one of them have been a scammer!
Ok it is an expensive site to communicate with ladies,therefore it takes some time´s for the ladies to get some answers.... but if you guys have patient you real get theire personal information.
The thing is... that the ladies have to feel secure to you know,there is to many who has been double crossed of nice man and when they come to the man they had to work as something no one wish for.
I am not just searching a women iam also a scammer hunter ;) , as soon i found a scammer they been traced and reported :-*.
There is so many good tracing program and tracing site´s you can use,but guys... dont be so blue eye´d and belive all you see and read,the truth comes to the surface every time!
And ladies who search... be careful so you dont get hooked up with a bad guy who gona use you as private buisness body ( just for the money ).
Ps:The baltic ladies are probebly the most beautyful ladies in the world ;)
O Daddy is this really useful? I am confident on this planet that a more fruitful use of your time could be found.
Perhaps though you could tell us more about your self and what motivates your shall we say your crusade. I wonder does 1st International pay you for your findings? What do they do, give hairy Boris a spanking?
I have met real women from 1st International (Single Baltic Lady) and others who after a few messages you have a sense from there letters that they are not sincere. MOVE ON!
For myself I feel you give the women who are looking for a partner a very bad "picture" of the sincerity and intentions of Western men.
AvHdB
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Hmmm,
I wouldn't have thought there are many,if any,sex traffickers using dating/marriage sites.
Where did that information come from OnlyDaddyo ?
All those buying of credits for communication,just to try and lure one girl to his country,to put her on the game ? I doubt it somehow,it would be far too time-consuming,and not cost effective,with the chances of success very low,unless he could find one of those many professional daters on these sites is also a hooker too.
The normal operating method is for those type of men to operate in gangs,and to offer bogus jobs abroad to a lot of women,through newspaper adverts, at the same time,then taking the girls passports off them,on arrival at these so-called jobs.
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hey everybody,
just joined the SBL site a couple days ago. I had never done anything like it before so i went in pretty skeptical. Got a lot of messages the first days and all from different gorgeous women. This didnt exactly help my skepticism but it didnt stop me from being flattered :laugh:. I havn't replied to any of them yet and have sent 1 free message to another woman, so no money spent. Today however I defiantly came across a bit more obvious proof that this is a risky site to be on. I got the same introduction message, word for word, from two different women :laugh:. thats what caused to seek out some actual details about the site, resulting in me coming across this forum.
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Deus, Welcome ~ Gruß!
One should be careful on Single Baltic Lady or any of the 1st International sites. But I have met women who were sincere and did not know better.
On a separate matter how did you make your avatar (American/German) flag?
AvHdB
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Thanks AvHdB, i figured this as much. there are women on the site who, while stunning dont look like they got all of their pics done at a modeling agency :P. I have also noticed some more serious and personal sounding messages. There are just a lot of others that definitely seemed too good to be true.
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I was always curious as to why most single Baltic ladies seem to live in Ukraine? Are they just lost? :coffeeread:
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haha i noticed this too. on the front page theres always a few from lithuania but after that i rarely encountered any profiles from any baltic countries
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i rarely encountered any profiles from any baltic countries
The MOB industry is pretty much dead in Estonia and Latvia; there will be still a few stragglers in Lithuania. You need to use social networks and non MOB sites to meet Baltic women nowadays. Few of them are left on foreign-facing agencies.
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hi guys!
i jhave been reading all of this with great interest and thought some of you could give me some advice?
this is my story so far!
around june this year (2011) i found my self on sbl! i must start by saying i consider myself to be a reasonably street wise guy! after all i was a used car salesman for 15 years!! ;D so when i started receiving loving letters by the boat load from hot 22 year olds i was a little suspicious to say the least, but in amongst all those generic introduction letters one or two of them seemed normal in fact one in particuler caught my attention it was from elena! she is 33 and it was a very simple letter but she mentioned something specific about my profile pics, so i replied!! well to cut a long storey short i got to 15 letters and requested her info details which came through! email and mobile telephone number! we continued to communicate via sbl and i asked her for her home address which she gave me no problem, i decided to send her some flowers but say nothing! well sure enough the next day i got a letter thanking me for the lovely flowers! so at this point i knew i was really talking to a real lady, well anyway things progressed to conference calls and eventually we arranged to meet in kiev! ( oct 2011) she decided it would be a good idea if she brought her interpreter from the agency! to be honest i didnt mind as my russian is very basic and her english isnt much better and at $200 for the weekend i thought it was a small price to pay, i booked my hotel room but as it was all done at short notice i was having trouble getting a twin room for the girls in the same hotel! at this point the interpreter emailed me stating that she knew of some cheap apartments close to the hotel they could stay in well as it was actually cheaper than the hotel i agreed, as the day of my departure got nearer i arranged another conference call and it was at this point that elena said she couldnt afford the taxi fare to kiev and could i meet her in donetsk which is nearer to her home, (the train would take to long!) later that evening after thinking about it i decided to offer to pay her taxi fare to kiev $300 this was still cheaper than changing my flight and also made life easier for me as getting to kiev is much easier than getting to donetsk when you are only going for a weekend!
still with me guys?? ;D
ok waffle waffle we met up and had a great weekend the interpreter was a charming young lady who i felt done a great job, all in all this weekend had cost me flight, $200 for interpreter, $300 taxi, $150 for the apartment! obviousley i paid for all food and drinks etc! but it was such a great weekend i thought it was all money well spent! after all you only live once eh?
well me and elena have continued to communicate via sbl and i have agreed to go back to kiev and do it all again in jan (2012) but what ireally want to know is would elena have received any commission from the agency for this weekend and how much do the girls get paid for every letter we guys open! also i have noticed that on her profile the amount of credits goes up and dow from 5 to 5.75?? does this equate to the number of men writing to her? more recently though i have noticed that she is going on line but not opening my letters till the next day or day after! and her credits have gone up to 5.5?? you dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out what is happening here! but she still wants to meet up in jan again? i just need some feed back and advice guys before i nspend my hard earned cash and precious time off on another trip out there! any advice would be much appreciated
andy
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Andy,
Welcome to RUA - you are now in the right place for advice and insight.
Have read your letter. Your situation is tough to call.
Some questions – so you know you will hear different opinions but it will clarify the situation a bit if you answer.
The price going up and down is indicative of how many men she is writing to. The price is just above the break even point for a dishonest agency to earn money from your typing skills.
$200 for a decent interpreter for a weekend is fair. But it should be your interpeter.
Did she offer to learn English after the initial meeting?
A taxi from Donetsk to Kiev downtown for $300 is again the going rate. BUT the train is about $20,- (and takes 12 plus hours)
I am in a downtown 3 bedroom apartment in Kiev ~ price $120 it is nice but not top.
My guess because I have used 1st International that your girl is not seriously interested in you. But breakups are hard to do.
At this point she should be learning English, perhaps on her own and you should be communicating via Skype.
Curious what was the amount of intimacy and what was the amount of expense shopping and sight seeing?
AvHdB
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Welcome Andy, one question jumps out at me straight away, why on earth are you still communicating with a lady you have already met through the agency? and next, if you do plan on going back, assuming she is into you and she is legit, go to her home town next time, not Kiev.
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andy,
Was the girl Elena from Berdyansk by any chance ?
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hi guys
thanks for the messages, first of all Chelsea boy hi err no she is from Mariupol,
and yeah i guess she isn't really into me, she did say she was going to start English classes but i think the fact that last week it took her 3 days to reply kinda tells its own story and yeah we should be communicating some other way i suppose, i have some credits left on sbl and will probably just let them run down, maybee if i hear from her again i will post her letter on here for some feed back from you guys!
what do you think she got out of all this? is it all about commission from our letters? there were no expensive gifts when we met just some expensive meals and a few drinks! err the level of intimacy wasn't much! we didn't sleep together if that's what you mean? she was very keen to have lots of pictures taken of the two of us together? but she did seem very excited to be in Kiev, she said she had only been there once before when she was younger,
i did consider going to Donetsk infact it is still an option but its much cheaper and easier for me IE time wise to meet in Kiev i can be in Kiev by 1.20 pm Fri and return sun 4pm and be home in time for work on Mon to Donetsk it would be 9pm then an early morning flight on Mon so for the second meeting i just thought same again?!
my plan now is to just wait and see if she contacts me next week! what do you guys think?
anyway it was a great experience a very interesting city to visit and i am glad i did it, after all you only live once :)
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guys
one other thing i should mention is that during our last telephone call she asked if i wanted the interpreter to be there again? i said yes it would be a good idea, but i am sure if i had said no elena would have been ok with that? strange eh?
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Hi Andy. If you are planning your 2nd meeting 3 months after your 1st you really need to consider spending more face 2 face time than just 2 days, it just isn’t enough. Personally I would tell this lady that I am ditching SBL and the Terp. Her reaction to this will most likely answer most of the questions you have raised.
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Hi Andy. If you are planning your 2nd meeting 3 months after your 1st you really need to consider spending more face 2 face time than just 2 days, it just isn’t enough. Personally I would tell this lady that I am ditching SBL and the Terp. Her reaction to this will most likely answer most of the questions you have raised.
Agreed,
i did consider going to Donetsk infact it is still an option but its much cheaper and easier for me IE time wise to meet in Kiev i can be in Kiev by 1.20 pm Fri and return sun 4pm and be home in time for work on Mon to Donetsk it would be 9pm then an early morning flight on Mon so for the second meeting i just thought same again?!
The thing is, you are doing this to find a future partner, (I presume) so making it easier for yourself may well work against that future objective. Making a few quick long weekend trips is fine once you have found someone you think could be the one, but if you have no intention of putting the time and effort in early days and visiting her city which would probably tell you a lot more about this women than any short holidays and online communications ever will then you are deluding yourself.
Personally I think this lady is in it for the little holidays and what she can get out of it, but you will never know unless you ditch the agency and spend some proper face time with her, in her own city.
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OK good point! she did ask if i wanted to meet in Mariupol this time! still time to change plans and do that if you think it would be a better idea,
i will let you know what transpires this week :)
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OK good point! she did ask if i wanted to meet in Mariupol this time! still time to change plans and do that if you think it would be a better idea,
i will let you know what transpires this week :)
I would for sure and I would arrange to spend a week there even if, it means omitting a long weekend trip in lieu of a longer one, I think it will be well worth it for you and answer many of your questions about this lady and see if she is genuine or not. Sounds like a good move anyway, especially as she has already given you this option.
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Hi there :)
Let's have a look from the woman's point of view:)
I've found your discussion very interesting as I was/am registered member of SBL too.
I was thinking to try to log in to some dating page and to see what it brings... First of all I was surprised that there are just a few girls from Poland which is much more bigger than Lithuania, but that is not the point.
I was surprised that so many young girls looking for a partners who can be much more older. Ex: 20 years old girl is looking for a 35-60 years old man. Jeez, when I was 20, I wouldn't look at man older than 35! Probably I wasn't the only one who was surprised by that fact, cause in the FAQ at the page you can see the explanation, that it's a part of the culture and marriages like that are absolutely popular in Russia. I was always thinking that we have about the same tradition in slavic countries, but it seems that I was wrong. In my country it's not common, it's absolutely unusual and always bring the speculation about the ladies intention when she marries much more older guy.
Most of the girls has a proffessional pictures, which is also strange. If they have money for a photo session which is not cheap, why they ask guys to buy them a tickets or give money for visa?
What surprises me also is that I would never ask the guy for money if we are not in a serious relationship. It would be a shame for me. If I really willing to meet the guy I would postpone the meeting or borrow the money.
Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things? Surprisingly the English level of most of the girls is on basic on intermediate level which means that you won't be able to communicate with them. At least if I need an interpreter I would bring my friend for free to save the guy spare money for that.
Are you guys not surprised that girls raised in traditional culture are are adding their almost naked pictures to their profiles? I would never do that and I assure you I'm not that puritan;)
The same with sending a letters to a guys. I'm the one who should receive a letter from you first:).
And to Andy: If she are really think of you seriously she would give you a private e-mail at first opportunity! Especially when you've seen each other.
And what is really pissing off: If I tried to give my e-mail to a guy It was removing from the mail every time, even when it was hidden. That means that your/ our letters are read not by the bots...
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Well, well, welcome Slavic-chick. tiphat
Thanks for posting that. :thumbsup:
In specific:
I was surprised that so many young girls looking for a partners who can be much more older. Ex: 20 years old girl is looking for a 35-60 years old man. Jeez, when I was 20, I wouldn't look at man older than 35!
and,
Most of the girls has a professional pictures, which is also strange. If they have money for a photo session which is not cheap, why they ask guys to buy them a tickets or give money for visa?
This is a beauty:
What surprises me also is that I would never ask the guy for money if we are not in a serious relationship. It would be a shame for me. If I really willing to meet the guy I would postpone the meeting or borrow the money.
AND MY FAVORITE
Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things?
Are you guys not surprised that girls raised in traditional culture are are adding their almost naked pictures to their profiles? I would never do that and I assure you I'm not that puritan;)
The same with sending a letters to a guys. I'm the one who should receive a letter from you first:).
Please, post more of your experiences. Some here might learn a thing or two.
Spacibo :smokin:
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Hello and welcome to this site Slavic-chick :)
Everything you say makes total good sense :thumbsup:
As for the fact you can't give your e-mail address,that's because the site is making money out of any men writing to you,and it won't give that up lightly.
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Hi Slavic chick,
Welcome here and thanks for your input.
A few points Single Baltic lady is part of a larger site that is oriented towards women from the former Soviet Union. In fact one could argue that you are on the wrong site.
Most likely you did not go to a local agency and you control your own profile. The cost for a man to open a letter is less than $5.25 I guess.
Hi there :
I was surprised that so many young girls looking for a partners who can be much more older. Ex: 20 years old girl is looking for a 35-60 years old man. Jeez, when I was 20, I wouldn't look at man older than 35! Probably I wasn't the only one who was surprised by that fact, cause in the FAQ at the page you can see the explanation, that it's a part of the culture and marriages like that are absolutely popular in Russia. I was always thinking that we have about the same tradition in slavic countries, but it seems that I was wrong. In my country it's not common, it's absolutely unusual and always bring the speculation about the ladies intention when she marries much more older guy.
Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things? Surprisingly the English level of most of the girls is on basic on intermediate level which means that you won't be able to communicate with them. At least if I need an interpreter I would bring my friend for free to save the guy spare money for that.
Are you guys not surprised that girls raised in traditional culture are are adding their almost naked pictures to their profiles? I would never do that and I assure you I'm not that puritan;)
The same with sending a letters to a guys. I'm the one who should receive a letter from you first:).
And what is really pissing off: If I tried to give my e-mail to a guy It was removing from the mail every time, even when it was hidden. That means that your/ our letters are read not by the bots...
Lets begin at the bottom some people in Moscow read every message sent. From you ~ to you. They will delete contact details and admonish or ban you if they suspect you are abusing "the system".
Trust me I would be very worried if the women initiated the correspondance and even more suspect if she told me about her vacuuming skills or how she can give a massage with a happy ending on our first date.
Many of the letter writers are not who is depicted. Meaning perhaps you are replying to Dumb Dilbert or Stupid Sam as for the men often they write to "Hairy Borris or Fat Yuriy"
There are women in Eastern Europe who will accept the security that a well off older man offers. Usually the age difference is between 15 and 25 years. But as a man I would be very cautious as to what the man's and woman's motives are for accepting this disparity.
Having said this there are real women looking for a relationship.
Please feel free to share your insights and you are most welcome here.
AvHdB
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A few points Single Baltic lady is part of a larger site that is oriented towards women from the former Soviet Union. In fact one could argue that you are on the wrong site.
Well, while I was joining that site I thought Poland has a bigger claims to the Baltic than Ukraine ;)
Most likely you did not go to a local agency and you control your own profile. The cost for a man to open a letter is less than $5.25 I guess.
In fact it's not so bad with mine :) and I assure you I wasn't aware of this joining this site, because for girls it's free of charge.
Trust me I would be very worried if the women initiated the correspondance and even more suspect if she told me about her vacuuming skills or how she can give a massage with a happy ending on our first date.
Good for you :)
There are women in Eastern Europe who will accept the security that a well off older man offers. Usually the age difference is between 15 and 25 years. But as a man I would be very cautious as to what the man's and woman's motives are for accepting this disparity.
That's way I put my female point of view on that matter:)
Having said this there are real women looking for a relationship.
Yes, there are some :)
Please feel free to share your insights and you are most welcome here.
thx:)
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Hi there :)
Let's have a look from the woman's point of view:)
Welcome to the forum,
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Hi there :)
Let's have a look from the woman's point of view:)
I was surprised that so many young girls looking for a partners who can be much more older. Ex: 20 years old girl is looking for a 35-60 years old man. Jeez, when I was 20, I wouldn't look at man older than 35!
That is a HUGE red flag, there are zero 20 year old girls looking for 60 year old men unless they
happen to be a member of the Rolling Stones.
Most of the girls has a proffessional pictures, which is also strange. If they have money for a photo session which is not cheap, why they ask guys to buy them a tickets or give money for visa?
What surprises me also is that I would never ask the guy for money if we are not in a serious relationship. It would be a shame for me. If I really willing to meet the guy I would postpone the meeting or borrow the money.
Often times the agency pays the for the photo session for the youngest and prettiest girls.
If they have money for a photo session which is not cheap, why they ask guys to buy them a tickets or give money for visa?
Oh, there are a number of girls who will go with a man to an exotic location for a nice vacation.
Mamba even has or had a special section for those wanting to go on a trip
Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things? Surprisingly the English level of most of the girls is on basic on intermediate level which means that you won't be able to communicate with them. At least if I need an interpreter I would bring my friend for free to save the guy spare money for that.
There are a number of debates about language and communication maybe somebody will provide a link
Are you guys not surprised that girls raised in traditional culture are are adding their almost naked pictures to their profiles? I would never do that and I assure you I'm not that puritan;)
The same with sending a letters to a guys. I'm the one who should receive a letter from you first:).
And to Andy: If she are really think of you seriously she would give you a private e-mail at first opportunity! Especially when you've seen each other.
And what is really pissing off: If I tried to give my e-mail to a guy It was removing from the mail every time, even when it was hidden. That means that your/ our letters are read not by the bots...
You need to find another agency. For women who are pretty and thin I recommend Elena's models.
They have many more men than women there. I also recommend Luckylovers.net
Udachi !!!
Bill
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For women who are pretty and thin I recommend Elena's models.
Bill
and what u'll recommend for those who isn't pretty and thin?
Just
Udachi !!! :chuckle:
Mila
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I was surprised that so many young girls looking for a partners who can be much more older. Ex: 20 years old girl is looking for a 35-60 years old man. Jeez, when I was 20, I wouldn't look at man older than 35! Probably I wasn't the only one who was surprised by that fact, cause in the FAQ at the page you can see the explanation, that it's a part of the culture and marriages like that are absolutely popular in Russia. I was always thinking that we have about the same tradition in slavic countries, but it seems that I was wrong. In my country it's not common, it's absolutely unusual and always bring the speculation about the ladies intention when she marries much more older guy.
That's the foreign facing FAQ you read. :)
Most of the girls has a proffessional pictures, which is also strange. If they have money for a photo session which is not cheap,
It was quite cheap when my wife and I had a photo session in Russia about two years ago. But, as Bill said, sometimes an agency will pay. Look at many women's Odniklassniki photos - they are professional too.
why they ask guys to buy them a tickets or give money for visa?
What surprises me also is that I would never ask the guy for money if we are not in a serious relationship. It would be a shame for me. If I really willing to meet the guy I would postpone the meeting or borrow the money.
Yours would be the *normal* mentality that thinking men *want* to meet.
Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things? Surprisingly the English level of most of the girls is on basic on intermediate level which means that you won't be able to communicate with them.
Most men gloss over that after they saw the photos.
Are you guys not surprised that girls raised in traditional culture are are adding their almost naked pictures to their profiles? I would never do that and I assure you I'm not that puritan;)
The same with sending a letters to a guys. I'm the one who should receive a letter from you first:).
And to Andy: If she are really think of you seriously she would give you a private e-mail at first opportunity! Especially when you've seen each other.
Again, your opinion is the opinion of most normally motivated ladies. However, much of the foreign facing "bride" market, mostly based in Ukraine, is a sophisticated industry rather than the boy-meets-girl stuff you might hope for.
Welcome to the site Slavic-Chick. tiphat
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For women who are pretty and thin I recommend Elena's models.
Bill
and what u'll recommend for those who isn't pretty and thin?
Just
Udachi !!! :chuckle:
Mila
I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
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I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
Pretty on the outside.
Finding one who is pretty on the inside takes more work. ;)
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I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
Pretty on the outside.
Finding one who is pretty on the inside takes more work. ;)
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I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
Pretty on the outside.
Finding one who is pretty on the inside takes more work. ;)
I totally agree, however I have seen many men just look at the outside only
(often to their later regret)
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For women who are pretty and thin I recommend Elena's models.
Bill
and what u'll recommend for those who isn't pretty and thin?
Just
Udachi !!! :chuckle:
Mila
To Western men, usually, thin = pretty. Many men marry very average looking women, but not many marry women above 60-65kgs (assuming average height and under 45). Most men marry FSU women in the 50-60kgs range. A few forward-thinkers prefer only under 50kgs because most women gain 5kgs after relocation.
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To Western men, usually, thin = pretty.
;D :'(
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That is a HUGE red flag, there are zero 20 year old girls looking for 60 year old men unless they
happen to be a member of the Rolling Stones.
I've seen many girls like that, I assure you it's not only my imagination:)
Often times the agency pays the for the photo session for the youngest and prettiest girls.
I really didn't know that, but it seems that they expect that the money invested in those session will come back soon tripled or better with a little help from girls sending tones of letters:)
There are a number of debates about language and communication maybe somebody will provide a link
It was just only my point of view. Maybe there are some people who prefer to communicate only in body language ;) or just don't have many subjects to talk about.
Udachi !!!
Haha it's not the first time when somebody writes in Russian to me. I know some Russian, because I was raised in those ancient times when it was obligatory language at school, but comparing to Polish language, there are completely different languages. But the fact is that most of older polish people will understand more-less when you speak Russian:)
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I know some Russian, because I was raised in those ancient times when it was obligatory language at school, but comparing to Polish language, there are completely different languages. But the fact is that most of older polish people will understand more-less when you speak Russian:)
My experience driving through Poland many times is that most older people understand Russian. Polish sounds broadly similar and my wife [who is Russian] didn't have too much trouble making herself understood in Poland [though she uses her Russian radar to seek out those who "look" Russian].
I recall the numbers are quite similar between Polish and Russian, coz this Polish waitress once tried to teach me some Polish in Białystok......... :innocent:
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Next thing I would never willing to meet the guy if we are not speaking the same language on the communicative level. How can you imagine your everyday life if you can't talk about simple things? Surprisingly the English level of most of the girls is on basic on intermediate level which means that you won't be able to communicate with them.
Most men gloss over that after they saw the photos.
Haha I guess they gloss over not only over that;)
Again, your opinion is the opinion of most normally motivated ladies. However, much of the foreign facing "bride" market, mostly based in Ukraine, is a sophisticated industry rather than the boy-meets-girl stuff you might hope for.
Yes, that is I had already realized after reading some posts. :)
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Haha it's not the first time when somebody writes in Russian to me. I know some Russian, because I was raised in those ancient times when it was obligatory language at school, but comparing to Polish language, there are completely different languages. But the fact is that most of older polish people will understand more-less when you speak Russian:)
I say Udachi about 75% of the time (not when posting news stories) when I respond
to somebody regardless of their native language.
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That is a HUGE red flag, there are zero 20 year old girls looking for 60 year old men unless they
happen to be a member of the Rolling Stones.
I've seen many girls like that, I assure you it's not only my imagination:)
I am sure you did, I am saying it's a red flag, a harbinger of danger, warning bells
and klaxons should be ringing in a mans ears when this happens. I know I can go
out and find a 20 year old girl to marry me, however in 5 years will we still be
married? no she will have dumped my old carcass (after removing my wallet) and
moved on to someone else. When I say zero, I mean zero have the intentions of
spending the rest of their lives with you forever until you die.
That is why I say it's a red flag. There are plenty of women who are older who are
beautiful. So why chase a girl who 99.99% of the time end in disaster?
Powodzenia !! ;D
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That is a HUGE red flag, there are zero 20 year old girls looking for 60 year old men unless they
happen to be a member of the Rolling Stones.
I've seen many girls like that, I assure you it's not only my imagination:)
I am sure you did, I am saying it's a red flag, a harbinger of danger, warning bells
and klaxons should be ringing in a mans ears when this happens. I know I can go
out and find a 20 year old girl to marry me, however in 5 years will we still be
married? no she will have dumped my old carcass (after removing my wallet) and
moved on to someone else. When I say zero, I mean zero have the intentions of
spending the rest of their lives with you forever until you die.
That is why I say it's a red flag. There are plenty of women who are older who are
beautiful. So why chase a girl who 99.99% of the time end in disaster?
Powodzenia !! ;D
Bill, I suspect the Slavic-Chick is confirming up thread your statement. It is a particular "talent or ability" of Polish people to affirm a statement in this manner.
Think along the lines of "Being There"
Off course I may have just made my self the laughing "stock" of RUA trying to interpert what a Slavic female is trying to say.
AvHdB
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I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
Bill, if u become shorter on 30 cm in coming year, I'll lose 30 kiloes ;D
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I recommend that they get try to get a little thinner, most woman who
aren't deformed or had an bad accident can be pretty.
Bill, if u become shorter on 30 cm in coming year, I'll lose 30 kiloes ;D
Be careful he might lose some of the 30 cm where he needs it must! :hidechair: