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2018 BMW M5 — 600 horsepower, 553 ft. pounds of torque and for the first time ever it has 4 wheel drive. 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds! Price as tested— $127,295. (Road & Track)
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New for 2018 the BMW M5 has 4 wheel drive for the first time ever. A button can be pushed if one wants to switch to rear wheel drive only. The engine is a beast with 600 horsepower and 553 ft. pounds of torque. 0 to 60 happens in a blistering 2.8 seconds. Price as tested by Road & Track is $127,295.
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In the Netherlands this car will be 2ce as expensive, due to all those stupid taxes :drunk:
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The engine is a beast with 600 horsepower and 553 ft. pounds of torque. 0 to 60 happens in a blistering 2.8 seconds. Price as tested by Road & Track is $127,295.
Does the vehicle arrive with its own personal chiropractor and/or neck braces?* 2.8 seconds is more allot more than fast.
*Perhaps a Russian model.
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Does it have no indicators (turn signals) like all BMW’s?
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2018 BMW M5 — 600 horsepower, 553 ft. pounds of torque and for the first time ever it has 4 wheel drive. 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds! Price as tested— $127,295. (Road & Track)
Does the vehicle come with its own personal chiropractor* or neck brace?
The song noted though has nothing do with powerful cars.
*Hopefully Russian
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2018 BMW M5 — 600 horsepower, 553 ft. pounds of torque and for the first time ever it has 4 wheel drive. 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds! Price as tested— $127,295. (Road & Track)
Does the vehicle come with its own personal chiropractor* or neck brace?
The song noted though has nothing do with powerful cars.
*Hopefully Russian
You may need a chiropractor driving this thing!
The R&T reviewer referred to the engine as a hammer. :chuckle:
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I bought myself this for Xmas.
(https://image.ibb.co/nrCC2c/rrs.jpg)
Range Rover 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Black (special anniversary edition) - the best spec they made; 5 cameras, deployable sidesteps etc. Significantly cooler than any BMW. :8)
Wifey copped for the Range Rover Sport I had already.
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I bought myself this for Xmas.
(https://image.ibb.co/nrCC2c/rrs.jpg)
Range Rover 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Black (special anniversary edition) - the best spec they made; 5 cameras, deployable sidesteps etc. Significantly cooler than any BMW. :8)
Wifey copped for the Range Rover Sport I had already.
Very nice, except the steering wheel is on the wrong side. :)
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I bought myself this for Xmas.
(https://image.ibb.co/nrCC2c/rrs.jpg)
Range Rover 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Black (special anniversary edition) - the best spec they made; 5 cameras, deployable sidesteps etc. Significantly cooler than any BMW. :8)
Wifey copped for the Range Rover Sport I had already.
Congratulations! tiphat Very stylish!
Were I suddenly flush would still go for the BMW. :chuckle:
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Very nice, except the steering wheel is on the wrong side. :)
When you've had both left and right hand drive as I have, and driven on both sides of the road, your brain adapts and after awhile you dont notice or care either way. LHD driving on the right or RHD driving on the left is an easy transfer for the brain - like a mirror. RHD on the right (as with us visiting Europe - as I was all last week) after a while becomes a normal thing too. I've done all variations for so many years now that I'm not really bothered what side of the car or road I am on. My wife, from a LHD country originally, says she prefers RHD and the left side of the road now. She was nervous last year driving her Dad's car in Russia because it was the *wrong* side of the road for her now.
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Congratulations! tiphat Very stylish!
Ta. My daughter is more thrilled as she can watch TV on the way to school - big novelty. And watch DVDs in the back on long trips. I've had a lot of good spec cars but I've never had one with this many toys and gadgets. Remote start and warm up? Heated steering wheel? (handy today as it was -8) Phone chargers? ipod docks? Remote control and bluetooth headphones for the rear screens? :coffeeread: It's more like a first class cabin in a nice airline. Amazingly, being a Range Rover, it all works (famous last words). Nothing has fell off or conked out yet.
Best thing is though, it goes like an effing train! ;D :king:
Were I suddenly flush would still go for the BMW.
At $127k? (£92k). You could buy a 2016, 3k mile, Bentley Flying Spur 4.0 V8 Sedan (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201711221476224?make=BENTLEY&price-to=100000&advertising-location=at_cars&price-from=75000&radius=1500&postcode=m187jd&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&sort=sponsored&page=4&advert-type=featured-listing) for that money.
(https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=ddd67f4e5aba4015b5fbb5e81f474ebe&width=720&height=540&paddingColour=e8e8e3)
Anyway, you cant buy German or British. Doesn't Trump say you have to buy a Chevy or a Buick or something to "Make America Great Again"?
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^ Sounds like you’re more adept than the average bear. I’ve never driven in the U.K. and would be apprehensive.
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Congratulations! tiphat Very stylish!
Ta. My daughter is more thrilled as she can watch TV on the way to school - big novelty. And watch DVDs in the back on long trips. I've had a lot of good spec cars but I've never had one with this many toys and gadgets. Remote start and warm up? Heated steering wheel? (handy today as it was -8) Phone chargers? ipod docks? Remote control and bluetooth headphones for the rear screens? :coffeeread: It's more like a first class cabin in a nice airline. Amazingly, being a Range Rover, it all works (famous last words). Nothing has fell off or conked out yet.
Best thing is though, it goes like an effing train! ;D :king:
Were I suddenly flush would still go for the BMW.
At $127k? (£92k). You could buy a 2016, 3k mile, Bentley Flying Spur 4.0 V8 Sedan (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201711221476224?make=BENTLEY&price-to=100000&advertising-location=at_cars&price-from=75000&radius=1500&postcode=m187jd&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&sort=sponsored&page=4&advert-type=featured-listing) for that money.
(https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=ddd67f4e5aba4015b5fbb5e81f474ebe&width=720&height=540&paddingColour=e8e8e3)
Did you buy it New? Sounds mahhvelous! Price range?
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Did you buy it New? Sounds mahhvelous! Price range?
My RR was used, 1 owner, 58k miles, which means everything that breaks has been fixed already and it was less than half the price it was 58k miles ago.
What I am driving was over £100k new, you can buy a modest house for that. I paid less than half that. It'll still be worth 87p in 3 or 4 years though. How it is....
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In the Netherlands this car will be 2ce as expensive, due to all those stupid taxes :drunk:
Well you’ve got to pay for your Socialist paradise and someone must pay for Mohamed and his 8 kids. :ROFL:
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Anyway, you cant buy German or British. Doesn't Trump say you have to buy a Chevy or a Buick or something to "Make America Great Again"?
I have wondered why Ford has not made a bigger push to get the Explorer into the European market. On almost every level it embarrasses the European 4 wheel drive SUV's, it is a mean vehicle on the numbers and gentle on the inside.
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In the Netherlands this car will be 2ce as expensive, due to all those stupid taxes :drunk:
Well you’ve got to pay for your Socialist paradise and someone must pay for Mohamed and his 8 kids. :ROFL:
That has nothing to do with the price of cars.
They simply want to encourage "economy" driving, as in: cars with 1-litre 3-piston engines are cheap, 300+horsepower V8 is expensive.
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Anyway, you cant buy German or British. Doesn't Trump say you have to buy a Chevy or a Buick or something to "Make America Great Again"?
I have wondered why Ford has not made a bigger push to get the Explorer into the European market. On almost every level it embarrasses the European 4 wheel drive SUV's, it is a mean vehicle on the numbers and gentle on the inside.
I've seen those in Russia. Might be the badge. Ford is a bit of a downmarket/midmarket badge here (Mustangs excepted). I haven't seen one inside but US market cars are usually let down by the interior trim and fit which wouldn't wash here if premium money.
Land Rover do a range of cars for those who want to spend less, the Sport, Discovery, Freelander, Evoke, etc.
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I bought myself this for Xmas.
(https://image.ibb.co/nrCC2c/rrs.jpg)
Range Rover 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Black (special anniversary edition) - the best spec they made; 5 cameras, deployable sidesteps etc. Significantly cooler than any BMW. :8)
Wifey copped for the Range Rover Sport I had already.
Nice looking car, congrats.
Did consider on last year, but servicing in Ru is atrocious, seems as if no one knows what they are doing, also many electrical problems probably due to the local conditions.
Eventually decided on an x5, very happy.
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Land Rover do a range of cars for those who want to spend less, the Sport, Discovery, Freelander, Evoke, etc.
Evoque..?
You forgot the Velar
If you want to understand
The Evoque / Velar are for those who value style over utilitarian - the Disco is more practical ( the Disco sport is the Freelander replacement ) - the RR Sport is for those who think a tall SUV can be sporty and the 'Proper RR ' is for those who want to be able to go off road and escape a muddy field when having a picnic at Badminton - for those with more money than sense ?
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Did consider on last year, but servicing in Ru is atrocious, seems as if no one knows what they are doing, also many electrical problems probably due to the local conditions.
Eventually decided on an x5, very happy.
Selling like hot cakes in Sochi and VVP has - for now- a fleet of them - now seeing a few Jags
Looked at an E-Pace - for me Ma - as an alternate for the Evoque - but Jag / RR audio systems - though sounding great - have a CRAP touch screen and the Bluetooth is shyte re audio commands and fights with the infinitely better google assistant. REALLY bad form
Currently have an Evoque, 5 year old RR Vogue, LR Disco - latest version in the immediate family - when it snows my Vauxhall Insignia Estate ( winter tyres ) far safer on steep hills ( up or down )
I really don't get why folks think it's 'sporty' to sit up high..
I worked out what I've spent in car depreciation/ servicing and would rather spend it on education for kids / grand kids, thanks
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In the same issue of Road & Track (March 2018) they reviewed the Tesla Model 3 Long Range. It has 273 horsepower, does zero to sixty in 4.9 seconds and costs $45,000. It is on sale now.
As I recall Ste was a Tesla fan. I remember early on they had a problem going up in flames.
I would prefer a hybrid so you can run on gas when no electric charge is available.
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The Verge review.
The radio, air vents, etc must be operated on the nav screen as there are no knobs. I don’t like it and right there would never consider one. Deal breaker! I like knobs!
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Yes to the knobs and switches.
I like to be able to reach out and change a control without needing to look. A well-designed dashboard has well-placed knobs and switches, with differentiation between them so that muscle memory takes one to the right control and allows it to be set without looking down.
On the other hand, given the goal of the Tesla is automated driving it seems that the lack of switches should not be a cause of dangerous distraction. Problem is that full automation is some years away and the controls are dangerous now.
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In the same issue of Road & Track (March 2018) they reviewed the Tesla Model 3 Long Range. It has 273 horsepower, does zero to sixty in 4.9 seconds and costs $45,000. It is on sale now.
As I recall Ste was a Tesla fan. I remember early on they had a problem going up in flames.
I would prefer a hybrid so you can run on gas when no electric charge is available.
True about the Tesla, I was smitten. But like a feld-hure it quickly wore off, end of the weekend I was tired of it's soullessness, it's cheap looking interior (despite purporting to be ostentatious leather) and having to charge the fecking thing after nowhere near the claimed 300 miles. I lived in a flat then and couldn't charge it at home and to be fair the (free in Denmark) super-charging point was just round the corner but waiting or walking there and back got boring.
Denmark hardly the best place to drive though, not much to see outside Sjælland and public transport being cock-on...
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Yes to the knobs and switches.
I like to be able to reach out and change a control without needing to look. A well-designed dashboard has well-placed knobs and switches, with differentiation between them so that muscle memory takes one to the right control and allows it to be set without looking down.
On the other hand, given the goal of the Tesla is automated driving it seems that the lack of switches should not be a cause of dangerous distraction. Problem is that full automation is some years away and the controls are dangerous now.
I am in 100% agreement with Andrew on this!
I guess I like old fashioned cars with a mechanical feel to them.
The Tesla is a tech-nerds car. And as Ste just wrote, soulless. :coffeeread:
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Yes to the knobs and switches.
I like to be able to reach out and change a control without needing to look. A well-designed dashboard has well-placed knobs and switches, with differentiation between them so that muscle memory takes one to the right control and allows it to be set without looking down.
On the other hand, given the goal of the Tesla is automated driving it seems that the lack of switches should not be a cause of dangerous distraction. Problem is that full automation is some years away and the controls are dangerous now.
I am in 100% agreement with Andrew on this!
I guess I like old fashioned cars with a mechanical feel to them.
The Tesla is a tech-nerds car. And as Ste just wrote, soulless. :coffeeread:
And I am tech-head, I thought I'd love the huge touch screen but I hated it. Cars and guitars for me are not tech things - I've got a Line 6 modelling guitar that can do assorts, emulate a banjo, a sitar and even alternative tunings but it sounds false, much prefer raw guitar and/or overdriven valve amp!
Same with car, while I like toys mechanically I like the exhaust note, the feeling you get when know the revs have peaked and it's time to change up. Odlly though I do like the F1 Paddle shift on the Maserati, basically a manual gearbox with and electric clutch. So different from the Automatica which is a ZF slush box with manual changes if you want. The F1 will do auto changes too - but pretty poorly.
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Yes to the knobs and switches.
I like to be able to reach out and change a control without needing to look. A well-designed dashboard has well-placed knobs and switches, with differentiation between them so that muscle memory takes one to the right control and allows it to be set without looking down.
On the other hand, given the goal of the Tesla is automated driving it seems that the lack of switches should not be a cause of dangerous distraction. Problem is that full automation is some years away and the controls are dangerous now.
I am in 100% agreement with Andrew on this!
I guess I like old fashioned cars with a mechanical feel to them.
The Tesla is a tech-nerds car. And as Ste just wrote, soulless. :coffeeread:
And I am tech-head, I thought I'd love the huge touch screen but I hated it. Cars and guitars for me are not tech things - I've got a Line 6 modelling guitar that can do assorts, emulate a banjo, a sitar and even alternative tunings but it sounds false, much prefer raw guitar and/or overdriven valve amp!
Same with car, while I like toys mechanically I like the exhaust note, the feeling you get when know the revs have peaked and it's time to change up. Odlly though I do like the F1 Paddle shift on the Maserati, basically a manual gearbox with and electric clutch. So different from the Automatica which is a ZF slush box with manual changes if you want. The F1 will do auto changes too - but pretty poorly.
That Maserati sounds like a great car and probably super fun to drive. It’s got proper knobs and levers too I’ll bet. Congratulations!
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Did consider on last year, but servicing in Ru is atrocious, seems as if no one knows what they are doing, also many electrical problems probably due to the local conditions.
Eventually decided on an x5, very happy.
Selling like hot cakes in Sochi and VVP has - for now- a fleet of them - now seeing a few Jags
Looked at an E-Pace - for me Ma - as an alternate for the Evoque - but Jag / RR audio systems - though sounding great - have a CRAP touch screen and the Bluetooth is shyte re audio commands and fights with the infinitely better google assistant. REALLY bad form
Currently have an Evoque, 5 year old RR Vogue, LR Disco - latest version in the immediate family - when it snows my Vauxhall Insignia Estate ( winter tyres ) far safer on steep hills ( up or down )
I really don't get why folks think it's 'sporty' to sit up high..
I worked out what I've spent in car depreciation/ servicing and would rather spend it on education for kids / grand kids, thanks
VVP's cars dare not break down.. :ROFL:
I can afford it, and when any now or future grandkids are in the education processes, they will not end up having to beg borrow or steal, nor will they end up in debt..
Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
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Did consider on last year, but servicing in Ru is atrocious, seems as if no one knows what they are doing, also many electrical problems probably due to the local conditions.
Eventually decided on an x5, very happy.
Selling like hot cakes in Sochi and VVP has - for now- a fleet of them - now seeing a few Jags
Looked at an E-Pace - for me Ma - as an alternate for the Evoque - but Jag / RR audio systems - though sounding great - have a CRAP touch screen and the Bluetooth is shyte re audio commands and fights with the infinitely better google assistant. REALLY bad form
Currently have an Evoque, 5 year old RR Vogue, LR Disco - latest version in the immediate family - when it snows my Vauxhall Insignia Estate ( winter tyres ) far safer on steep hills ( up or down )
I really don't get why folks think it's 'sporty' to sit up high..
I worked out what I've spent in car depreciation/ servicing and would rather spend it on education for kids / grand kids, thanks
VVP's cars dare not break down.. :ROFL:
I can afford it, and when any now or future grandkids are in the education processes, they will not end up having to beg borrow or steal, nor will they end up in debt..
Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
The F1 cars go FWD I'll listen!!
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Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
I always thought the Vauxhall Opel Insignia was FWD - I 'defer' to you 'knowledge' ;)
This video shows a FWD Ford Kuga with Winter tyres v 4WD on all weather . The FWD blows the 4WD away - and when it comes to going downhill - winter tyres on a FWD are also far superior than normal 'summer types' on an AW / 4W D
If it's wet and less than 7C - the car stops far faster and is less likely to aquaplane ..
I'm a bit of a wimp in wet winter driving - but when kitted out with the winter tyres - I feel invincible such is the difference.
I have NO idea why our govt doesn't make winter tyres compulsory from mid Nov to April
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Wet weather or Snow - Why we should change our tyres in winter
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Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/1f/55/9a1f558a793dc34f52672a446c0e8312.jpg)
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I bought myself this for Xmas.
(https://image.ibb.co/nrCC2c/rrs.jpg)
Range Rover 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Black (special anniversary edition) - the best spec they made; 5 cameras, deployable sidesteps etc. Significantly cooler than any BMW. :8)
Wifey copped for the Range Rover Sport I had already.
What’s all fallen off and broken down so far? :popcorn:
I’ve heard too many stories from friends, family & business associates to go anywhere near one. They look great though and sitting inside does give you that first class feel.
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Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
I always thought the Vauxhall Opel Insignia was FWD - I 'defer' to you 'knowledge' ;)
This video shows a FWD Ford Kuga with Winter tyres v 4WD on all weather . The FWD blows the 4WD away - and when it comes to going downhill - winter tyres on a FWD are also far superior than normal 'summer types' on an AW / 4W D
If it's wet and less than 7C - the car stops far faster and is less likely to aquaplane ..
I'm a bit of a wimp in wet winter driving - but when kitted out with the winter tyres - I feel invincible such is the difference.
I have NO idea why our govt doesn't make winter tyres compulsory from mid Nov to April
I stand corrected.
For once we agree on something, I also think that winter tyres should be made compulsory, maybe not for as long as you stated, but certainly whilst temp's are below the normal operating temp's of summer tyres.
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Any rear wheel drive vehicle, even with winter tyres cannot compete with a fwd or an awd....
I always thought the Vauxhall Opel Insignia was FWD - I 'defer' to you 'knowledge' ;)
This video shows a FWD Ford Kuga with Winter tyres v 4WD on all weather . The FWD blows the 4WD away - and when it comes to going downhill - winter tyres on a FWD are also far superior than normal 'summer types' on an AW / 4W D
If it's wet and less than 7C - the car stops far faster and is less likely to aquaplane ..
I'm a bit of a wimp in wet winter driving - but when kitted out with the winter tyres - I feel invincible such is the difference.
I have NO idea why our govt doesn't make winter tyres compulsory from mid Nov to April
I stand corrected.
For once we agree on something, I also think that winter tyres should be made compulsory, maybe not for as long as you stated, but certainly whilst temp's are below the normal operating temp's of summer tyres.
I always drive with winter-tyres and not all-season. In heavy weather it is the difference between skidding/accident and getting home safely.
I would also like the gov't to make it mandatory but then from okt-march as april is usually above 7C
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In Russia it is mandatory to fit winter tyres with studs for the winter season, the time to fit/remove them is more area specific, for example, in the further North, you may have them fitted for 8 months, whereas middle of the country it could be from 4-6 months, and to the South it may only be for 2-3 months.
I don't know100%, but its more than possible that failure to fit them during these periods could lead to the cars insurance to be voided.(I don't know because I've never questioned it).
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In Russia it is mandatory to fit winter tyres with studs for the winter season, the time to fit/remove them is more area specific, for example, in the further North, you may have them fitted for 8 months, whereas middle of the country it could be from 4-6 months, and to the South it may only be for 2-3 months.
I don't know100%, but its more than possible that failure to fit them during these periods could lead to the cars insurance to be voided.(I don't know because I've never questioned it).
Interesting subject. Here in Pennsylvania studs are permitted from November 1st through April 15th, although they've long been discouraged due to excess road wear. Good winter tires do us well here in PA but those north of us can probably make a strong case for studs.
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In Russia it is mandatory to fit winter tyres with studs for the winter season, the time to fit/remove them is more area specific, for example, in the further North, you may have them fitted for 8 months, whereas middle of the country it could be from 4-6 months, and to the South it may only be for 2-3 months.
I don't know100%, but its more than possible that failure to fit them during these periods could lead to the cars insurance to be voided.(I don't know because I've never questioned it).
Gypo,
Honestly not trying to be a pain - but it varies from region to region
Sochi does not require winter tyres as you describe, but if you wish to head to the mountain resorts - you MUST have winter tyres and the studs are not a legal requirement
I know this as I drove the Vauxhall from the UK to Sochi and back in Nov / Dec - with a Russian
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Markje, there is no doubt that the greatest driving pleasure is derived from hanging out the rear - but after a few winters in the NE of England Scottish borders driving a rear wheel drive Ford Tranny / Merc Vito - I'm done with another forum in the winter ;)
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In Russia it is mandatory to fit winter tyres with studs for the winter season, the time to fit/remove them is more area specific, for example, in the further North, you may have them fitted for 8 months, whereas middle of the country it could be from 4-6 months, and to the South it may only be for 2-3 months.
I don't know100%, but its more than possible that failure to fit them during these periods could lead to the cars insurance to be voided.(I don't know because I've never questioned it).
Gypo,
Honestly not trying to be a pain - but it varies from region to region
Sochi does not require winter tyres as you describe, but if you wish to head to the mountain resorts - you MUST have winter tyres and the studs are not a legal requirement
I know this as I drove the Vauxhall from the UK to Sochi and back in Nov / Dec - with a Russian
So having been perplexed as to why there is no law in place requiring a winter tyre window, you've also answered why there isn't.
You obviously spend your winters on yachts and warm weather mansions but I know that each winter in the UK is always different from the last. This year has been exceptional but when the cold weather comes, it could be any time from October to May.
It's a great idea but simply isn't practical or affordable for many motorists. This week has been horrific in many parts of the Uk but I was enjoying 8 degrees of sunshine in Portrush whilst it was snowing in Newry. For those who don't know its literally down the road. I've also seen many a 15 degree day in Scotland in January over the years.
Great theory - crap execution. Places like Scandinavia, Canada & Russia have vast swathes of their country, under prolonged periods of extreme weather. The UK changes region to region and it can be -15 one week and +15 the next.
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In Russia it is mandatory to fit winter tyres with studs for the winter season, the time to fit/remove them is more area specific, for example, in the further North, you may have them fitted for 8 months, whereas middle of the country it could be from 4-6 months, and to the South it may only be for 2-3 months.
I don't know100%, but its more than possible that failure to fit them during these periods could lead to the cars insurance to be voided.(I don't know because I've never questioned it).
Gypo,
Honestly not trying to be a pain - but it varies from region to region
Sochi does not require winter tyres as you describe, but if you wish to head to the mountain resorts - you MUST have winter tyres and the studs are not a legal requirement
I know this as I drove the Vauxhall from the UK to Sochi and back in Nov / Dec - with a Russian
So having been perplexed as to why there is no law in place requiring a winter tyre window, you've also answered why there isn't.
You obviously spend your winters on yachts and warm weather mansions but I know that each winter in the UK is always different from the last. This year has been exceptional but when the cold weather comes, it could be any time from October to May.
It's a great idea but simply isn't practical or affordable for many motorists. This week has been horrific in many parts of the Uk but I was enjoying 8 degrees of sunshine in Portrush whilst it was snowing in Newry. For those who don't know its literally down the road. I've also seen many a 15 degree day in Scotland in January over the years.
Great theory - crap execution. Places like Scandinavia, Canada & Russia have vast swathes of their country, under prolonged periods of extreme weather. The UK changes region to region and it can be -15 one week and +15 the next.
And unless the rule applies to everyone you get those on snow tyres being rammed by the one's without who can't stop. I got some Pirelli Sotto p-zeros for the snow but not using them, sliding is more fun but even R-W-D with 315's on the back it's fine.
I feel FWD is easier for the average Joe in snow and ice, but for the skilled driver (like me!) R-W-D will get you into and out of places FWD won't. Having two wheels do all the work is wrong...
I've only ever had one AWD car, Audi 200 Quattro, C100BNF was 5 or 6 years old when I bought it I think, good car but brake calliper siezed (special part) and power steering pump went (VW part didn't fit). I remember driving it with hardly any brake fluid in it (only worked last inch of pedal or so) and lumpy PAS.
Those where the days, get away with anything. Ever driven a Peugeot 605 on two cylinders? I have - H626SLS, sold it to two kids, next day coppers came round, found it wrapped round a tree with me still as the registered keeper. That's the last I heard.
I've had A600OFO, GXI3738, A13KEB, 06-WD-3 (in Ireland) - and many more I can't remember. I counted them up once, I'd had up to that point (2003) 45 cars, almost all of them shiit.
One had two Alfa's with consecutively numbered number plates ones, can't remember the plates tho H914xxx and H915xxx with the xxx's being the same HLN I think - have to check pics. Complete coincidence, got one from Exeter for £100 (Alfa 164 3.0 Lusso) and one from Coventry for free (Alfa 75 2.0 TS Veloce). I was skint at the time due to living in Scotland haha!
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So having been perplexed as to why there is no law in place requiring a winter tyre window, you've also answered why there isn't.
You obviously spend your winters on yachts and warm weather mansions but I know that each winter in the UK is always different from the last. This year has been exceptional but when the cold weather comes, it could be any time from October to May.
It's a great idea but simply isn't practical or affordable for many motorists. This week has been horrific in many parts of the Uk but I was enjoying 8 degrees of sunshine in Portrush whilst it was snowing in Newry. For those who don't know its literally down the road. I've also seen many a 15 degree day in Scotland in January over the years.
1/ Portrush to Newry is 'not down the road' - being at opposite ends of the Province :coffeeread:
2/ As the winter tyre is better at 7C or less, please explain how freakish days outweigh ave temps...? I've chosen Alnwick, in Nortumberland as an example - as it is further north than some Scots border towns
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4628/40551066042_e69e72a9ac_z.jpg)
3/ 'cost' ? What price a life ? Sure it costs more, initially, but if you swap around - you then get longer life by using the right tyre for the ave conditions
Great theory - crap execution. Places like Scandinavia, Canada & Russia have vast swathes of their country, under prolonged periods of extreme weather. The UK changes region to region and it can be -15 one week and +15 the next.
AVERAGE temps, rosco ... that means - overall - a winter tyre is safer on most given days in winter
You've watched the vids ? The video evidence is pretty compelling. Even on wet days. I promise you, the grip on a wet winter's evening on a sweeping motorway bend is incredible
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And unless the rule applies to everyone you get those on snow tyres being rammed by the one's without who can't stop.
The Russians make you put on a sticker on the rear window denoting you have winter tyres. Its a warning triangle with a ш within
It's a valid concern, as yesterday I overtook a Saab on compacted snow and he 'objected' to being overtaken and sped up to my rear bumper . I wouldn't go faster than the limit - and he tried to over-take - hit the ridge of snow / ice that forms between the opposing traffic lanes - as it is not compressed - and lost control - yawing from side to side - before resuming the pace dictated by his lack of traction ;)
If you've even been tip-toeing down a steep hill and the tyres lose traction in the snow then fitting winter tyres cures that issue... One has to be careful of cars normally shod coming at you - out of control - as they were on Ashworth Lane on the morning of the 1st March ... It was like dogems
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business. It’s been a god send this winter and I’d have been off the road without it.
And to be fair the standard extras, the ride and the massive tax savings make it a beaut. Got a sport lid for the back and paid £20,500 plus vat from new delivered by Nissan. The on the road price is nearer £35k.
I’m happy to use this for work & buy a better car as a family run around. The wife only started driving last year so it’ll be another couple years before I look for something a bit more special. Right now insurance is nuts and she would quite possibly smash it.
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business.
Hmm, a twin cab after a Beemer M series ... what'ya think, Markje ... Has our rosco lost it ? ;)
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Hang on, just read a review and it seems Roco's tonka toy is a shrewd buy that the tax man will dislike ..
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/navara/94589/nissan-navara-tekna-review (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/navara/94589/nissan-navara-tekna-review)
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business.
Hmm, a twin cab after a Beemer M series ... what'ya think, Markje ... Has our rosco lost it ? ;)
I don't know, It can't be a proper M-series as they don't make those in Touring. Could've been a 550i badged M, which comes VERY close to a real M.
But no, i dont think he lost it. Insurance on those things is crazy, taxes are crazy and other people seem to want it without paying by taking it from you.
I'd much rather drive a nice 330D than 335D for instance, because the 335D is recognisable as "fast" car, whereas the 330D looks mundane but is only marginally slower.
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business. It’s been a god send this winter and I’d have been off the road without it.
The Navara is a rugged vehicle which won't break if you take it off road. Ditch the standard tyres and alloy wheels. You will buckle the the alloys off road - been there, done that, expensive. Fit size smaller steel wheels and Goodrich all terrain tyres.
I have a Toyota Hilux thus equipped and it goes virtually ANYWHERE. Beemers (X5 and X6) break if you take them off road (I don't mean a muddy field!) Couple of years back I was with a guy in a new X6, we were driving up a low water stream bed. His front axle fractured and disintegrated as we towed him down. $8K repair bill which BMW declined to pick up the tab for! I have heard similar stories about Range Rovers. Simply not built strong enough...
The Land Rover Defender is a legend in Turkey. They fetch much higher prices here than in Europe. People have businesses based on importing used examples, reconditioning them and selling them.
I read this article -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/)
There is no substitute for driving skill! Just because a car is expensive does not mean that any idiot can drive on a beach! You need to know the terrain, sand mats/ladders, a winch and a partner are essential. I learned a lot driving on the dunes of KSA.
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business. It’s been a god send this winter and I’d have been off the road without it.
The Navara is a rugged vehicle which won't break if you take it off road. Ditch the standard tyres and alloy wheels. You will buckle the the alloys off road - been there, done that, expensive. Fit size smaller steel wheels and Goodrich all terrain tyres.
I have a Toyota Hilux thus equipped and it goes virtually ANYWHERE. Beemers (X5 and X6) break if you take them off road (I don't mean a muddy field!) Couple of years back I was with a guy in a new X6, we were driving up a low water stream bed. His front axle fractured and disintegrated as we towed him down. $8K repair bill which BMW declined to pick up the tab for! I have heard similar stories about Range Rovers. Simply not built strong enough...
The Land Rover Defender is a legend in Turkey. They fetch much higher prices here than in Europe. People have businesses based on importing used examples, reconditioning them and selling them.
I read this article -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/)
There is no substitute for driving skill! Just because a car is expensive does not mean that any idiot can drive on a beach! You need to know the terrain, sand mats/ladders, a winch and a partner are essential. I learned a lot driving on the dunes of KSA.
Those clowns who rented the expensive Land Rover were probably sued for the 100K value after the high tide damage. And paid a fine for driving on protected land. Boneheads!
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Hang on, just read a review and it seems Roco's tonka toy is a shrewd buy that the tax man will dislike ..
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/navara/94589/nissan-navara-tekna-review (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/navara/94589/nissan-navara-tekna-review)
That was the thinking. Had mercs, Audi’s & BM’s and as nice as they are, it eventually just becomes another car after a few miles. The navara gives me a great vehicle for work (chucking in clothing & footwear samples) at commercial rates. Didn’t fancy a van much so this is the compromise.
I’m enjoying it, happy to bank the extra cash and can always punt it on if I get fed up. It’s got all the toys my last BM had and having tested all the trucks out there, the Nissan had the best ride with a different suspension set up to the rest. Pretty much drives like an SUV.
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I read this article -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/)
There is no substitute for driving skill! Just because a car is expensive does not mean that any idiot can drive on a beach! You need to know the terrain, sand mats/ladders, a winch and a partner are essential. I learned a lot driving on the dunes of KSA.
That's a RR Velar - the new 'bigger' Evoque - It's no Disco / RR on the AWD diif settings
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business. It’s been a god send this winter and I’d have been off the road without it.
The Navara is a rugged vehicle which won't break if you take it off road. Ditch the standard tyres and alloy wheels. You will buckle the the alloys off road - been there, done that, expensive. Fit size smaller steel wheels and Goodrich all terrain tyres.
I have a Toyota Hilux thus equipped and it goes virtually ANYWHERE. Beemers (X5 and X6) break if you take them off road (I don't mean a muddy field!) Couple of years back I was with a guy in a new X6, we were driving up a low water stream bed. His front axle fractured and disintegrated as we towed him down. $8K repair bill which BMW declined to pick up the tab for! I have heard similar stories about Range Rovers. Simply not built strong enough...
The Land Rover Defender is a legend in Turkey. They fetch much higher prices here than in Europe. People have businesses based on importing used examples, reconditioning them and selling them.
I read this article -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/)
There is no substitute for driving skill! Just because a car is expensive does not mean that any idiot can drive on a beach! You need to know the terrain, sand mats/ladders, a winch and a partner are essential. I learned a lot driving on the dunes of KSA.
To be fair, my vehicle use is almost exclusively on road work. I tested them all & the Navara had the highest cab spec & the smoothest ride. Alloys & a sport tonnue cover give it a less agricultural look too.
7 speed auto, heated leather seats, sat nav etc. and two fingers up to the tax man. Merc & Renault are bringing their versions out later this year although both based on the Navara.
I’ve noticed plenty well heeled business types changing their disco’s for trucks as a business vehicle & fully expect the government to try and shut down the loop holes.
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business.
Hmm, a twin cab after a Beemer M series ... what'ya think, Markje ... Has our rosco lost it ? ;)
I don't know, It can't be a proper M-series as they don't make those in Touring. Could've been a 550i badged M, which comes VERY close to a real M.
But no, i dont think he lost it. Insurance on those things is crazy, taxes are crazy and other people seem to want it without paying by taking it from you.
I'd much rather drive a nice 330D than 335D for instance, because the 335D is recognisable as "fast" car, whereas the 330D looks mundane but is only marginally slower.
It was a 5 series M sport as apposed to an M5.
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So having been perplexed as to why there is no law in place requiring a winter tyre window, you've also answered why there isn't.
You obviously spend your winters on yachts and warm weather mansions but I know that each winter in the UK is always different from the last. This year has been exceptional but when the cold weather comes, it could be any time from October to May.
It's a great idea but simply isn't practical or affordable for many motorists. This week has been horrific in many parts of the Uk but I was enjoying 8 degrees of sunshine in Portrush whilst it was snowing in Newry. For those who don't know its literally down the road. I've also seen many a 15 degree day in Scotland in January over the years.
1/ Portrush to Newry is 'not down the road' - being at opposite ends of the Province :coffeeread:
2/ As the winter tyre is better at 7C or less, please explain how freakish days outweigh ave temps...? I've chosen Alnwick, in Nortumberland as an example - as it is further north than some Scots border towns
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4628/40551066042_e69e72a9ac_z.jpg)
3/ 'cost' ? What price a life ? Sure it costs more, initially, but if you swap around - you then get longer life by using the right tyre for the ave conditions
Great theory - crap execution. Places like Scandinavia, Canada & Russia have vast swathes of their country, under prolonged periods of extreme weather. The UK changes region to region and it can be -15 one week and +15 the next.
AVERAGE temps, rosco ... that means - overall - a winter tyre is safer on most given days in winter
You've watched the vids ? The video evidence is pretty compelling. Even on wet days. I promise you, the grip on a wet winter's evening on a sweeping motorway bend is incredible
When you do the miles I do, an hour and a half is just down the road as far as I’m concerned. The U.K. has its own micro climates, snow in one part and half an hour up the road could be mild & sunny. Travel across Canada or Russia for example and the weather remains fairly constant.
And you don’t actually think I’m arguing against the practicalities of a winter tyre or how the compounds react in their respective conditions? I thought I’d made that point clear.
I’m on about the cost to the poor, the debate as to when winter actually starts and enforcing it. I’d much prefer the law initially focused on removing dangerous cars & illegal drivers from the roads first.
I think we’d all agree that this would drive down the accident statistics year through. In fact we could start with the no speaky, no looky, no insurey drivers first! :)
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I just got rid of my 5 series M sport touring and bought a new Navara Tekna auto through my business. It’s been a god send this winter and I’d have been off the road without it.
The Navara is a rugged vehicle which won't break if you take it off road. Ditch the standard tyres and alloy wheels. You will buckle the the alloys off road - been there, done that, expensive. Fit size smaller steel wheels and Goodrich all terrain tyres.
I have a Toyota Hilux thus equipped and it goes virtually ANYWHERE. Beemers (X5 and X6) break if you take them off road (I don't mean a muddy field!) Couple of years back I was with a guy in a new X6, we were driving up a low water stream bed. His front axle fractured and disintegrated as we towed him down. $8K repair bill which BMW declined to pick up the tab for! I have heard similar stories about Range Rovers. Simply not built strong enough...
The Land Rover Defender is a legend in Turkey. They fetch much higher prices here than in Europe. People have businesses based on importing used examples, reconditioning them and selling them.
I read this article -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/27/rented-100k-range-rover-gets-stuck-protected-beach-tourists/)
There is no substitute for driving skill! Just because a car is expensive does not mean that any idiot can drive on a beach! You need to know the terrain, sand mats/ladders, a winch and a partner are essential. I learned a lot driving on the dunes of KSA.
To be fair, my vehicle use is almost exclusively on road work. I tested them all & the Navara had the highest cab spec & the smoothest ride. Alloys & a sport tonnue cover give it a less agricultural look too.
7 speed auto, heated leather seats, sat nav etc. and two fingers up to the tax man. Merc & Renault are bringing their versions out later this year although both based on the Navara.
I’ve noticed plenty well heeled business types changing their disco’s for trucks as a business vehicle & fully expect the government to try and shut down the loop holes.
The merc X class is already available here starting around 2,9m/r... decided against one as pickups seem to me to be too light on the back end in wintery conditions like we have, unless one carries 1/2t in the back at all times.. MHO...
Have done around 25,000km in the beemer since Oct/Nov last year, no probs, sits & handles well on the road under wintery conditions, corners well, comfortable, powerful enough, comfortable/easy driving, best pleased..
Will maybe sell the merc sooner rather than later...
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When you do the miles I do, an hour and a half is just down the road as far as I’m concerned.
And when you suggest it's an hour and a half from Portrush to Newry - you'll appreciate that I - a national of that country - having done that route - my 'spidy sense' smelt an 'exaggeration' ..
I'm sure you won't take MY word for it - so 'argue' with the Royal Automobile Club..
https://www.rac.co.uk/route-planner/l/s5ms (https://www.rac.co.uk/route-planner/l/s5ms)
They state 1 hour 52 minutes - so you'd have to be going ( constantly ) nearly 20 percent faster than the speed limit..