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Information & Chat => News & Political Discussion => Topic started by: Gipsy on February 29, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
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From a friend, who's husbands brother works for one of the ministries of Ukraine.
They are putting together a plan to boycott imported Dutch products should the Dutch vote against the Ukraine in the up and coming referendum.
How true this is, I cannot say, but would not put it past Ukraine to try to influence the referendum by a threat of sanctions against the Dutch..
Mark, Have you heard anything?
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From a friend, who's husbands brother works for one of the ministries of Ukraine.
They are putting together a plan to boycott imported Dutch products should the Dutch vote against the Ukraine in the up and coming referendum.
How true this is, I cannot say, but would not put it past Ukraine to try to influence the referendum by a threat of sanctions against the Dutch..
Mark, Have you heard anything?
no not yet. Considering ukraine buys 0.192 percent of dutch exports we are really scared now
Mark
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I really doubt that. Look at what the Dutch exports.
1- Refine petroleum products
2- Natural Gas
3- Oil
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nld/
Last I checked the Ukraine was still looking for sources to buy gas.
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http://netherlands.mfa.gov.ua/en/ukraine-nl/trade
Not so little then....
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I really doubt that. Look at what the Dutch exports.
1- Refine petroleum products
2- Natural Gas
3- Oil
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nld/
Last I checked the Ukraine was still looking for sources to buy gas.
Leerdammer ? Nom Nom nom
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Last I checked the Ukraine was still looking for sources to buy gas.
Better they try to find a source of money to pay for what they have stolen already.
I doubt anyone will be queuing up to supply a country with a history of theft of, and non-payment for gas.
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Last I checked the Ukraine was still looking for sources to buy gas.
I doubt anyone will be queuing up to supply a country with a history of theft of, and non-payment for gas.
I'm sure the EU with uncle Sam's backing might.
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
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http://netherlands.mfa.gov.ua/en/ukraine-nl/trade
Not so little then....
I really do wish Ukraine would use fluent English speakers when doing their English language publications. Example:
FDI from of the Dutch origin to Ukraine's economy came predominantly to the following sectors: industry ($2021,1 million), information and telecommunications ($1057,5 million), wholesale and retail trade, repair of motor vehicles and motorcycles ($723,6 million), financial and insurance activities ($306,0 million), real estate ($507,5 million), professional, scientific and technical activities ($328,2 million), administrative services ($151,6 million).
Pretty sure this is a Google translation rather than a human translation.
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http://netherlands.mfa.gov.ua/en/ukraine-nl/trade
Not so little then....
For them maybe, but for the Netherlands its peanuts.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2016/02/nos_overdrijft_belang_van_kaas.html
Nóg irrelevanter dus, dan de algehele Nederlandse export naar Oekraïne, die slechts 0,179% van het totaal bedraagt.
Translation: Even more irrelevant than the entire Dutch Export to Ukraine, which is just 0.179% of the total (export).
The link 0.179% is clickable, for raw data.
http://statline.cbs.nl/Statweb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=81271NED&D1=a&D2=0-1,180&D3=2-6&VW=T
Mark.
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
They're buying it from Russia, at 500% the original price. +Russia demands to be paid in advance first.
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Ukraine had about 17bcm of gas in their underground storage ready for the oncoming winter, in addition, they are importing about 22mcm/d from Slovakia.
They also have own production of about 1bcm/y.
Fortunately, this winter has been very mild for them, and they should manage to get through to spring with their current supplies/reserves.
This has been possible not only due to the mild winter, but because they have reduced their annual reliance on gas down to about 60bcm, by increasing coal usage, and reducing the temperatures of hot water deliveries to the public.
Previously, hot water for heating was delivered at around 60-70C, now its 45-55C, with a similar rate for tap hot water.
Older folks have complained about the lack of effective heating, and at the increased costs, but in the main have accepted the situation.
HTH
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
They're buying it from Russia, at 500% the original price. +Russia demands to be paid in advance first.
I don't know about the 500%, but they are also buying Russian gas from EU countries at a higher price than the Russians sold it.
If that is considered any kind of good management on the Ukraine side then we can understand just how Ukraine gets to be how it is.
And Texan77, where do you get your impression of 'hate' from? Have you been chatting to your 'girlfriend's' Pravy Sektor boyfriend brother again?
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
They're buying it from Russia, at 500% the original price. +Russia demands to be paid in advance first.
Not correct..
They ceased buying from Russia in November last year.
They have to pay about $220/1000m3, whereas, Germany get their at just under $200/1000m3.
Yes, Russia does insist on pre-payment from them, due to the debt that they have with Russia for gas supplied in previous years...
Both Hungary and Poland have stopped supplying gas to Ukraine, citing lack of payment..
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Last I checked the Ukraine was still looking for sources to buy gas.
I doubt anyone will be queuing up to supply a country with a history of theft of, and non-payment for gas.
I'm sure the EU with uncle Sam's backing might.
I think everyone is going to get soooooooooo tired of that country soon enough. They are like little kids bickering and arguing amongst themselves.
I think the culture of stealing and acting like kids is so deep in their blood it will not change for many years to come.
A total lost cause..
Once I double booked a flight on Ukrainian airways due to a fault of themselves , after lots of calls and mails and promises the money will be refunded refund I gave up. They F**** can keep the money! I thought..
I would say the vast majority of Ukrainians want money for sitting on their asses!! And thats all the way from the top to the bottom, in private life and business life. Money for nothing, if they cannot have they will steal..
Welcome to Ukraine..
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
They're buying it from Russia, at 500% the original price. +Russia demands to be paid in advance first.
Not correct..
They ceased buying from Russia in November last year.
They have to pay about $220/1000m3, whereas, Germany get their at just under $200/1000m3.
Yes, Russia does insist on pre-payment from them, due to the debt that they have with Russia for gas supplied in previous years...
Both Hungary and Poland have stopped supplying gas to Ukraine, citing lack of payment..
I think the 500% mentioned in the article was what Ukraine used to pay before 2014, not what the rest of Europe has to pay. It was almost a free-givaway from Russia.
I could find that in 2007, Ukraine paid $50 / 1000 cubic meters which is 25% of what they are paying now. However, there was a major gas-dispute back then too, and I do not believe that in 2013 (the year before ....) they were still paying $50
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From what news I am getting everyone in Ukraine seems to have warm housing. They must of gotten gas from some place.
Gee Manny, Does hating such a small poor country make you feel good?
They're buying it from Russia, at 500% the original price. +Russia demands to be paid in advance first.
Not correct..
They ceased buying from Russia in November last year.
They have to pay about $220/1000m3, whereas, Germany get their at just under $200/1000m3.
Yes, Russia does insist on pre-payment from them, due to the debt that they have with Russia for gas supplied in previous years...
Both Hungary and Poland have stopped supplying gas to Ukraine, citing lack of payment..
I think the 500% mentioned in the article was what Ukraine used to pay before 2014, not what the rest of Europe has to pay. It was almost a free-givaway from Russia.
I could find that in 2007, Ukraine paid $50 / 1000 cubic meters which is 25% of what they are paying now. However, there was a major gas-dispute back then too, and I do not believe that in 2013 (the year before ....) they were still paying $50
The price that I have given, is the estimated price that they would have to pay today.
Going back a little, they were asked to pay anywhere up to and above $375m3.
I just don't want anyone coming in and saying, whoa, they were paying **** until recently.. I know.
The price for gas has dropped drastically in the last 6 months or so.
One also has to understand that Germany gets its gas at the same price as its supplies via Nord Stream, an u-seas pipeline is a much cheaper way to transport gas.