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Information & Chat => The Expatriate Life: Living in the FSU, Asia or Elsewhere => Topic started by: Jerash on January 27, 2016, 11:41:24 PM
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I hope this can be re-categorized, if I am posting this in the wrong place.
I don't want people to have to rehash things they've written many times before, but the search function here is somewhat hopeless, so I would appreciate just being pointed in the right direction where the information already exists here.
I am wondering about the prospects for temporarily relocating to Russia and how realistic that is. I am developing a serious relationship with a Russian girl and we are both serious and know what we want. If everything goes well, we will get to a point where we marry and submit a Family Class application so she can relocate. In my view, once we decide we want to be together, I don't really see being a part during the application process as an ideal option, and I would rather move somewhere where we can be together while the processing is taking place. Although maybe not the only option, going to Russia seems like the most obvious and realistic option.
I expect that the processing time would be 1.5-2 years for the whole thing. Can I live with her in Russia during that time? Is that a realistic idea to be thinking of and how difficult would this be to get the proper visas for?
I think I have an option to have some work in the virtual world when I'm there. But I don't know if it is enough to go there just to live with her and not be doing anything else from an official perspective. I don't know how possible some kind of residency permit would be that would allow me to be in Russia for that period of time. I am open to other things as well - I would like to learn Russian if I am going to be with a Russian girl and the local university has a language program for foreigners. I am also open to teaching ESL at a language school if it is necessary.
I just want to know if I have any realistic options for spending an extended period of time in Russia and how easy or difficult it would be and what, ultimately, would be the best way to go.
I'd appreciate any advice from those in the know on these particular questions and I will also be really grateful if people can point me towards relevant information that has already been posted that may answer some of my questions.
Thanks!
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It might help to know what skills you have, your education and where in Russia would you live. Also if the RW is tied to a job and family.
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You don't need to provide anyone on this forum with any skills you have. Your chances of landing a job in Russia nowadays are nil; the only exception is being transferred via your already existing work.
Your best bet is to get a 3-year tourist visa (or the longest one possible offered to your country), and then try to find employment with a language school that will sponsor you once you're in Russia. The tourist visa will allow you to stay up to 6 months without having to leave, and if hired by a reputable school, they will sponsor a work permit for you that will allow you to stay in Russia year round.
A university degree will be a big plus if you have one. One good option is http://jobs.languagelink.ru. as they are in several cities around Russia. There will be pluses and minuses for you working for this school because you're a "newbie", depending on how you look at it. The best thing about this particular school is that they will sponsor you as an independent contractor, so you can work as little or as much as you like without jeopardizing your visa status.
A student visa might be possible as well, but certain specifics will be required. That info is easily accessed on the internet should you consider going that route.
No other visa option will be available to you.
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Dan, glad to see one of your posts. Are his options limited to teaching or being transferred due to the Russian economy? Do you teach English or do you work for an international corporation?
Always glad to receive first hand info from someone on the other side of the "iron curtain".
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If your meaning working in the virtual world as in the Internet and you earn a living by that its very very easy as easy as 1-2-3.
Make your visa and move. Thats all there is to it.
If you can earn a reasonable living you probably will not want to go back to Canada as so often is the case :)
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I do teach English here. One big difference is that you will not have a reputation, nor a built-in clientele once you get here. It took me a little over a year to establish myself to the point that I didn't have to chase work, it chased me. I also arrived not long after the oil boom started, which was beneficial to my situation.
The same opportunities do not exist now, but that doesn't mean you can't make it work for you. IOW, while there are fewer opportunities to take advantage of, there is less competition for those opportunities.
Yes, his options are limited. Of course, if you have skills that can be transferred to an online business, that would be nice.
The economy does factor into the equation, but Russians have been steadily replacing expats in the workforce over the years. As in most countries, companies will only hire foreigners if a suitable local cannot be found to do the job; rare not to find this person these days in Russia.
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Thanks Dan.
Do you also work for an international corporation, or rely solely on teaching?
I agree with you, I can definitely see life there being very attractive. I've been to Russia twice, five times total to the former FSU and can't wait to return.
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Jerash
If you can get a BUSINESS Visa - then you can come and go as you please for a year...but you can only stay for 180 days of the year.
You can't WORK in Russia with this visa - but you can earn money from overseas and attend business meetings, make presentations, etc.
If you start from there - then you can look at other options.
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Jerash
If you can get a BUSINESS Visa - then you can come and go as you please for a year...but you can only stay for 180 days of the year.
You can't WORK in Russia with this visa - but you can earn money from overseas and attend business meetings, make presentations, etc.
If you start from there - then you can look at other options.
A 1 year m/e business visa allows the holder to be in Russia for 90 days per 180 days of visa validity, which basically means that 2 visits of 90 days in 1 year is the norm, one cannot stay for 180 day in one period on said visa. Overstaying a 90 days period is also frowned upon.
Possibly the best route, is to obtain a 90 days business visa, leave the country after said period, obtain a further 90 day visa and return to the country, there is nothing illegal with this route, and is employed by many, though doing a visa run out of the country every 90 days can prove to be expensive.
Whilst on a business visa to Russia, if one is NOT married to a Russian citizen, one can apply under the "Quota" system for a TRP, (Temporary residence visa), these visa types take about 6 months to be issued usually.
This is the route that I would take if I wished to stay in Russia on a permanent basis, looking for a RW.
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You can always ask her to make you a 90 day private invite. Its very inexpensive and pretty painless to do.
You can buy a "Quote" In Pitter very easy for about $1500 through some agencies. You will need to do a few tests with that but can be solved for a little cash :)
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
Salary seems quite low :-X
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
Salary seems quite low :-X
Maybe it was a snow clearer or something like that?
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
Salary seems quite low :-X
Maybe it was a snow clearer or something like that?
POWER and SPARC virtualisation, maybe more rbls under the table Russky-style!!
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
Salary seems quite low :-X
Maybe it was a snow clearer or something like that?
A snow clearer would be lucky to get 30,000r/month.
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
Salary seems quite low :-X
Maybe it was a snow clearer or something like that?
POWER and SPARC virtualisation, maybe more rbls under the table Russky-style!!
what's that??
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It sounds something more complicated like a "Glass visualisation technician " which basically means a "Window cleaner"
:ROFL:
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It sounds something more complicated like a "Glass visualisation technician " which basically means a "Window cleaner"
:ROFL:
A Domestic engineer = cleaner.
:ROFL:
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It sounds something more complicated like a "Glass visualisation technician " which basically means a "Window cleaner"
:ROFL:
You mean that he changes light bulbs for a living??
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I hope this can be re-categorized, if I am posting this in the wrong place.
I don't want people to have to rehash things they've written many times before, but the search function here is somewhat hopeless, so I would appreciate just being pointed in the right direction where the information already exists here.
I am wondering about the prospects for temporarily relocating to Russia and how realistic that is. I am developing a serious relationship with a Russian girl and we are both serious and know what we want. If everything goes well, we will get to a point where we marry and submit a Family Class application so she can relocate. In my view, once we decide we want to be together, I don't really see being a part during the application process as an ideal option, and I would rather move somewhere where we can be together while the processing is taking place. Although maybe not the only option, going to Russia seems like the most obvious and realistic option.
I expect that the processing time would be 1.5-2 years for the whole thing. Can I live with her in Russia during that time? Is that a realistic idea to be thinking of and how difficult would this be to get the proper visas for?
I think I have an option to have some work in the virtual world when I'm there. But I don't know if it is enough to go there just to live with her and not be doing anything else from an official perspective. I don't know how possible some kind of residency permit would be that would allow me to be in Russia for that period of time. I am open to other things as well - I would like to learn Russian if I am going to be with a Russian girl and the local university has a language program for foreigners. I am also open to teaching ESL at a language school if it is necessary.
I just want to know if I have any realistic options for spending an extended period of time in Russia and how easy or difficult it would be and what, ultimately, would be the best way to go.
I'd appreciate any advice from those in the know on these particular questions and I will also be really grateful if people can point me towards relevant information that has already been posted that may answer some of my questions.
Thanks!
Whereabouts in Russia does your girl live? ESL jobs may be limited outside big cities and will they match your salary expectations?
P.s. That line of work is going to bring you in contact with lots of young FSUW....
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Maxx- I have a couple of university degrees, work as a professional ( potentially with some expertise that could be used to run a business in Russia, but could be difficult not having a working knowledge of Russian language. I have previously taught ESL as an English native speaker. The destination in mind is Izhevsk. She is working, but once there I think we would want to start a family, so I would need to be the main breadwinner. She has one child.
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Steveboy - thanks for your reply. You understand me correctly. I am on a contractor list for a company that does ESL online and I can work about as much or little as I like or need. However, I was looking at this yesterday and I think 90 days is the max for a tourist visa for Canadians.
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Steveboy - what is a "Quote"? I have not heard of this before and I'm wondering what would I be getting for $1500?
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Danchik- I'm really glad you posted here. I remember reading some of your posts on a different topic a while back, but I didn't know if you were still active in the forums. I do remember that you provided a lot of really helpful and even inspiring information about building a professional life in Moscow. I do have previous ESL experience, I am a native speaker, and I am well-educated. At times, I think about getting out of here sooner than later and relocating to Russia regardless of how things develop, but not sure if that would be a wise idea. I may have a financial incentive to relocate sooner than later and I am fortunate to have a good job which potentially would allow me to take an extended period of unpaid leave without me actually having to quit. Danchik, thanks for spotting my post and replying here.
Right now, my destination would be Izhevsk, not Moscow, but who knows? Depends how things go. Did RW(s) first draw you to Russia? If you don't mind my asking, are you in a relationship with an RW?
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Hi AKA Luke - I would be Izhevsk bound. As to my salary expectations - I wouldn't be coming over there to make a fortune and nor do I hope to come close to matching my current salary. But she owns her flat free and clear, so I would hope to be able to earn enough to support a family of 3-4 during the immigration processing time.
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What are the general requirements for a business visa? The idea of getting 90 day visas and leaving to renew, how long could I do that for? Can I do this with a private visit visa as well?
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I just got a job offer in Moscow totally out of the blue from a contact, work visa sorted, salary £900 a month, told them to :censored: off.....
Can do that on a good day now in UK.....
So, that Range Rover -that you told us - ''I can't understand how people could afford one'' isn't out of the question, now :chuckle:
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Hi AKA Luke - I would be Izhevsk bound. As to my salary expectations - I wouldn't be coming over there to make a fortune and nor do I hope to come close to matching my current salary. But she owns her flat free and clear, so I would hope to be able to earn enough to support a family of 3-4 during the immigration processing time.
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What about your life back home? Can you just put it all on freeze and restart when she's ready to move?
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That's the plan.
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A 1 year m/e business visa allows the holder to be in Russia for 90 days per 180 days of visa validity, which basically means that 2 visits of 90 days in 1 year is the norm, one cannot stay for 180 day in one period on said visa. Overstaying a 90 days period is also frowned upon.
OR..
You can keep coming and going -throughout the year - earning overseas - and returning - without needing to apply for 2 visas in one year - which is more expensive, anyway. If you are not employed - you need to demonstrate you have you own biz and source of income - with bank accounts to show enough cash to support your self - for your stay.
Check what the current requirements are for what is considered 'enough' ... It was c. 500 GBP - 800 US ..for a planned 30 day stay for a UK citizen - I showed I had enough for way in excess of a year.
Canadians requiring a m/e visa need an HIV test and it says that you should be tested 'not more than 3 months before the date of your visa application..
http://www.rusembassy.ca/node/59 (http://www.rusembassy.ca/node/59)
You will need to REGISTER where and with who you are staying - your partner and you will have to go to the main post office in Izhevsk with your passport and her Russian 'passport' - the internal one - and she - if the owner of the place that you will stay - will sign documents to that effect.
''As of March 25, 2011, t foreign nationals can stay in Russia without registering their visa for up to seven business days.''
You get a second piece of paper - in addition to the migration slip given on entry that you need to keep with your passport.
This must be done every time you re-enter and the cost varies between 200 and 450 Roubles - according to members with experience in Crimea, Rostov and Krasnodar regions.. the latter takes 15 minutes and all is done for you - the former involved the best part of the day and much inter office bureaucracy .. My recommendation is avoid doing it at an FMS - federal migration office - if you value time ...
This is the route that I would take if I wished to stay in Russia on a permanent basis, looking for a RW.
:chuckle:
Gypsy, I am in JUST the same situation as the OP... The one year route suited my options and if he listens to yours - he would have to get a HIV test done - each time - at least 3 months - before commencing obtaining a new visa.
Jerash, I don't know if you can get this test done IN Russia and use it for any subsequent application.
Good luck, with any route you take and don't forget to post your experiences as the procedures for obtaining and registering visas seem to vary so much
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Unless your online income is already providing you with the income you expect to need then I'd be very, very sceptical to the idea that you can parachute into a new country and earn on the scale that you think you can.
Unless you already have the online business to support yourself then I'd exclude such thoughts from your planning.
Much the same goes for thoughts of teaching English - that's the fantasy of most impecunious travellers hoping to scratch a living and, of course, employers are fully aware of this.
I suggest that until you have cash savings (not credit cards) to support you for at least a year that you treat this matter as a dream. Realising that dream is contingent on having sufficient resources
Build the business and use that as a springboard.
Steve and I have, in different ways, made a go of building an online income. Most fail, even fewer ever make enough to replace a job.
If you turn up in Russia needing the support of a scarcely known woman you will be about as wanted as a fart in a spacesuit.
Take the time to marshal your resources. If this does not suit the desires of your interlocutor then she is not the right woman for you.
... Or go balls to the wall, take a chance to succeed or crash and burn. After all we only get one walk down this road.
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I think if your serious you should just go for it what ever your situation..What ever happens you cannot loose much by just arriving for three months , you have accommodation so won't be living on the street. It can be a three month learning period. If you have savings or some cash then it will be even easier :)
Worry about every thing when you arrive!! Worst that can happen is you go back home after 3 months and thats not such a bad thing its life .:(
Its as simple as that really.
I left the uk with nothing more than £50 in my pocket and no fairy godmother. Its surprising once you arrive what you do to stay and you learn very fast..If you have a good women she can help you solve things, mine had me doing all sorts of crazy things! :laugh:
Probably the easiest option to get started is ask your lady to make you a private invite it costs nothing and is very easy to do, you can make the next one as soon as you arrive.
As for a "Quota" best not worry about that short term.
The world is full of "Talkers" and "Doers" Most just talk. As captain kirk would say "Make it happen" ;D
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Gypsy, I am in JUST the same situation as the OP... The one year route suited my options and if he listens to yours - he would have to get a HIV test done - each time - at least 3 months - before commencing obtaining a new visa.
Jerash, I don't know if you can get this test done IN Russia and use it for any subsequent application.
Lets get down to the nitty gritty of this.
If Jerash only wishes to spend as much time as possible with his gf in Russia, then he has various options.
1, Private visit visa, allowing him to live in Russia, and needs to be renewed every 90 days, BUT, does not allow him to work legally.
2, A 1yr ME business visa, which allows him to live in Russia for 90/180, twice/yr, so he get to be with his gf for 180d/yr, BUT, does not allow him to work legally (Though some people do use said visa type to live and work in Russia).
3, 90d Business visa, which necessitates a visa run every 90 days, again, there is no right to work in Russia.
4, Two passports with current, overlapping Business visas, which also means leaving and re-entering the country every 90 days, which is just a case of out/in.
5, A work visa, which is a little more difficult to obtain in the way of supporting documentation, but allows full residence and work rights for the duration of the visa.
I have deliberately not mentioned the Highly Qualified specialist visa route.
The op may even decide to go down the TRP rout which takes about 6 months to achieve, though it is dependant upon availability of a place in the local quota, which for Izhevsk some should be available.
One must bear in mind, that working on any other visa than a work visa runs the risk of being caught and banned from entering Russia for any period up to 10 years., Also, Companies/schools employing such visa holders, can also be fined very heavily.
Moby, just because the 1yr ME business visa suits your purposes, does not mean that it will suit his purpose, he seems to be wishing for a route which gives him more continuity to reside in Russia.
Aids tests can be done in Russia if needed, and costs about 1,000r the last I heard.
The op should also be reminded that there are many persons who obtain visas and abuse them, i.e. not use them for their intended purpose, and if caught, they will face heavy punishment.
Good Luck.
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4, Two passports with current, overlapping Business visas, which also means leaving and re-entering the country every 90 days, which is just a case of out/in.
I have two passports - two nationalities and once upon a time you COULD apply for a new biz visa before the other expired... your info is outta date - I should know .. I'm wearing the t-shirt and used to do exactly that - having always declared having two passports from two nations.
I also investigated having two passports from one nation - explaining the need to travel when another is awaiting a visa. This is also not allowed, by the Russians - this applies to UK and Ireland.
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1, Private visit visa, allowing him to live in Russia, and needs to be renewed every 90 days, BUT, does not allow him to work legally.
Thanks for the information Gypsy. This is succinct. I want to make sure I understand correctly on your first point. Is it possible to continuously renew a private visit visa? Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
I think my needs are pretty simple. I would just like to be together with my lovely lady while we await to finalization of visa processing (which could be up to two years, but should be shorter). I have an online tutoring position lined up, which would pay at least 66,000RU/mth (at current exchange rates).
Thanks for the warnings about attempting to work illegally and whatnot. It is a good point and noted.
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Steveboy - how is your Russian? How was your Russian when you first arrived? Thanks for the encouraging words!
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1, Private visit visa, allowing him to live in Russia, and needs to be renewed every 90 days, BUT, does not allow him to work legally.
Thanks for the information Gypsy. This is succinct. I want to make sure I understand correctly on your first point. Is it possible to continuously renew a private visit visa? Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
I think my needs are pretty simple. I would just like to be together with my lovely lady while we await to finalization of visa processing (which could be up to two years, but should be shorter). I have an online tutoring position lined up, which would pay at least 66,000RU/mth (at current exchange rates).
Thanks for the warnings about attempting to work illegally and whatnot. It is a good point and noted.
I know of someone who uses this method to live in Russia with his wife.
Once he has been here each visit for 7 weeks, off to the local FMS trots the wife, and applies for a new invite, which takes about 4 weeks to appear.
Then the guy arranges his tickets from Russia to Latvia, and at around the 87th day of his current stay, leaves for Latvia, he emails his agent the doc, and when he arrives in Riga, all is ready for the application, to which is added the invite, and a few days later, he is on his way home.
I don't think an aids test is required.
I may be able to find out who the agent is if it will help you. No promises though.
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1, Private visit visa, allowing him to live in Russia, and needs to be renewed every 90 days, BUT, does not allow him to work legally.
Thanks for the information Gypsy. This is succinct. I want to make sure I understand correctly on your first point. Is it possible to continuously renew a private visit visa? Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
I think my needs are pretty simple. I would just like to be together with my lovely lady while we await to finalization of visa processing (which could be up to two years, but should be shorter). I have an online tutoring position lined up, which would pay at least 66,000RU/mth (at current exchange rates).
Thanks for the warnings about attempting to work illegally and whatnot. It is a good point and noted.
I know of someone who uses this method to live in Russia with his wife.
Once he has been here each visit for 7 weeks, off to the local FMS trots the wife, and applies for a new invite, which takes about 4 weeks to appear.
Then the guy arranges his tickets from Russia to Latvia, and at around the 87th day of his current stay, leaves for Latvia, he emails his agent the doc, and when he arrives in Riga, all is ready for the application, to which is added the invite, and a few days later, he is on his way home.
I don't think an aids test is required.
I may be able to find out who the agent is if it will help you. No promises though.
I did exactly the same for a long time , its very very easy. Even brought the immigration officer a bottle of scotch and chocolates for his family once to speed up things got to know the young guy even :)
Its all easy, just "Do it"
As for my Russian language mmmmmmm well it was ok some times :laugh: but I become lazy over the years and forgot lots, saying that after a few beers always helps..
If you have a good women there is no need for much Russian she can solve all usually.
You have nothing to loose by going for 3 months anyway? what can possibly go wrong!
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1, Private visit visa, allowing him to live in Russia, and needs to be renewed every 90 days, BUT, does not allow him to work legally.
Thanks for the information Gypsy. This is succinct. I want to make sure I understand correctly on your first point. Is it possible to continuously renew a private visit visa? Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
I think my needs are pretty simple. I would just like to be together with my lovely lady while we await to finalization of visa processing (which could be up to two years, but should be shorter). I have an online tutoring position lined up, which would pay at least 66,000RU/mth (at current exchange rates).
Thanks for the warnings about attempting to work illegally and whatnot. It is a good point and noted.
66,000 RU/mth is plenty to get started!!!! I would be on the plane now If I was you and take it from there when you land :)
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Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
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Best to check with the horses mouth
http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx (http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx)
But I can confirm HIV tests are required for work visas and biz visas - but NOT private visits ..I know you are likely to be refused if you apply for too many tourist visas in a year - 3/4 ..
Depending where you live - You say Izevsk - 66 K roubles will allow you to 'live' - exist .... I checked with a lady I know from there .. rents for older Stalin era places are c. 22k and more modern places - studios - 50 percent more.
Electric / Gas will be c. 3-5k R/ monthly
Water 1k
Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
Naturally, if you are going to help with your lady's life ... these figures are meaningless.
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Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
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Best to check with the horses mouth
http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx (http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx)
But I can confirm HIV tests are required for work visas and biz visas - but NOT private visits ..I know you are likely to be refused if you apply for too many tourist visas in a year - 3/4 ..
Depending where you live - You say Izevsk - 66 K roubles will allow you to 'live' - exist .... I checked with a lady I know from there .. rents for older Stalin era places are c. 22k and more modern places - studios - 50 percent more.
Electric / Gas will be c. 3-5k R/ monthly
Water 1k
Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
Naturally, if you are going to help with your lady's life ... these figures are meaningless.
250k a month on food?? I thought all your Russian friends ate cabbage and are starving?
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Or is it something that allows you to be on the country for 90/365 days in a year? Would I need to leave the country to renew it? Are HIV tests necessary for this type of visa?
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Best to check with the horses mouth
http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx (http://toronto.kdmid.ru/en.aspx?lst=en&it=/Visas.aspx)
But I can confirm HIV tests are required for work visas and biz visas - but NOT private visits ..I know you are likely to be refused if you apply for too many tourist visas in a year - 3/4 ..
Depending where you live - You say Izevsk - 66 K roubles will allow you to 'live' - exist .... I checked with a lady I know from there .. rents for older Stalin era places are c. 22k and more modern places - studios - 50 percent more.
Electric / Gas will be c. 3-5k R/ monthly
Water 1k
Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
Naturally, if you are going to help with your lady's life ... these figures are meaningless.
My God moby, what rubbish are you spouting now... Your horses mouth needs a reality check.
Izevsk is Urdmundia, Siberia, even if the guy needed to rent a place there, he would not have to pay much more than 10-12k/month, and that's a good remont place.
His electric,gas, and water would not be much over 3k/month all in, if that much.
Eating out there is cheap, and I mean really cheap.
Where ever you get your info from, I don't know, maybe you just make it up as a comparison to Sochi..
Best thing he can do to get a handle on costs there is to ask his g/f.
I would think that on 66k roubles a month, he can virtually live like a king in Izhevsk.
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Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
That would be more than I spend in Netherlands monthly on groceries + dining out :o
150k-250k roubles = 1800 - 3000 euro monthly !!!!!!!!!!
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Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
That would be more than I spend in Netherlands monthly on groceries + dining out :o
150k-250k roubles = 1800 - 3000 euro monthly !!!!!!!!!!
Its just more of Moby's bullsh1t, trying to show that he's a knowledgeable person.
:ROFL:
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Food - if not eating out more than 2 times a week 150k - 250 k / month
That would be more than I spend in Netherlands monthly on groceries + dining out :o
150k-250k roubles = 1800 - 3000 euro monthly !!!!!!!!!!
Its just more of Moby's bullsh1t, trying to show that he's a knowledgeable person.
:ROFL:
Maybe Moby is making figures for guys who have 2/3/4 wives to feed ?? Remember Moby has a harem in the UK and Russia , probably why he's confused :laugh:
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Maybe Moby is making figures for guys who have 2/3/4 wives to feed ?? Remember Moby has a harem in the UK and Russia , probably why he's confused :laugh:
Please excuse my howler... I was in Bhat..not Rouble mode..
So...if I had typed the figures minus a zero... would any one say they were far from the mark ?
I must have missed other posters trying to present a comprehensive budget to compare..
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Maybe Moby is making figures for guys who have 2/3/4 wives to feed ?? Remember Moby has a harem in the UK and Russia , probably why he's confused :laugh:
Please excuse my howler... I was in Bhat..not Rouble mode..
So...if I had typed the figures minus a zero... would any one say they were far from the mark ?
I must have missed other posters trying to present a comprehensive budget to compare..
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You did.
You could "page back" for a reference.
Btw, have you ever lived in, and experienced the joys and costs of Izhevsk??
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Maybe Moby is making figures for guys who have 2/3/4 wives to feed ?? Remember Moby has a harem in the UK and Russia , probably why he's confused :laugh:
Please excuse my howler... I was in Bhat..not Rouble mode..
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Which pre sanctions used to swap for the same as the Rouble to the £.
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Maybe Moby is making figures for guys who have 2/3/4 wives to feed ?? Remember Moby has a harem in the UK and Russia , probably why he's confused :laugh:
Please excuse my howler... I was in Bhat..not Rouble mode..
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Which pre sanctions used to swap for the same as the Rouble to the £.
He was just bullshitting again...
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Which pre sanctions used to swap for the same as the Rouble to the £.
?? HUH...
I'm not of the opinon that sanctions are anything like the damaging factor that low oil prices and the over reliance on resources sales ..
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He was just bullshitting again...
My adding a zero was 'bullshitting'...?! The adjective was possibly careless....but it is kind of hard to check ones posts in bright sunlight...
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I must have missed other posters trying to present a comprehensive budget to compare..
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You did.
You could "page back" for a reference.
I took your advice....looked back two pages...I brought up the budget costs on THIS thread..
Btw, have you ever lived in, and experienced the joys and costs of Izhevsk??
Lived.. no..
As I have stated on two previous occasions on here... your 'lurking' cannot have been too diligent... I know someone from there... We are in regular contact... My figures for apts. came from that source..
The clue was concerning knowing folk who work/ worked for state run oil / gas firms.... which you also 'questioned' as I was pointing out follk were losing their jobs...and you were trying to paint a picture of rosiness..
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I knew Moby typoed. I subtracted a zero. Rent wouldn't be an issue, she owns her place free and clear so it's just the utilities, groceries and comforts. She is earning less than the amount I quoted and doing okay. Of course I am an extra mouth to feed, which is why it is good I would be earning more. I am not trying to save her by becoming rich in Russia. I am planning for a situation where we can pass our time modestly and comfortably waiting for the Canadian immigration process. Any you guys spent much time in Izhevsk?
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Which pre sanctions used to swap for the same as the Rouble to the £.
?? HUH...
I'm not of the opinon that sanctions are anything like the damaging factor that low oil prices and the over reliance on resources sales ..
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Just for you Moby:
2 years ago the Bhat was exchanging to the £ around 50, as was the Rouble.
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I knew Moby typoed. I subtracted a zero. Rent wouldn't be an issue, she owns her place free and clear so it's just the utilities, groceries and comforts. She is earning less than the amount I quoted and doing okay. Of course I am an extra mouth to feed, which is why it is good I would be earning more. I am not trying to save her by becoming rich in Russia. I am planning for a situation where we can pass our time modestly and comfortably waiting for the Canadian immigration process. Any you guys spent much time in Izhevsk?
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Jerash, if you are earning in Russia and decide you make a go of it .... won't your low wage earning capacity - taken in CDN Dollars - have a negative impact on any application ? Is there a minimum salary target in Canada ?
I've never actually been to Udmurt ..just know someone from there who has family in SPb and likes to explore interesting places in w.Europe
Just for you Moby:
2 years ago the Bhat was exchanging to the £ around 50, as was the Rouble.
I'm trying not to pollute the OP's thread ..I was referring to you believing that sanctions were responsible for the rouble fall ..
As SC keeps reminding how the Rouble and Bhat were near parity and now the Rouble's worth less than half ['where'sall the Russians ?.]...I think I might know. :coffeeread:
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I must have missed other posters trying to present a comprehensive budget to compare..
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You did.
You could "page back" for a reference.
I took your advice....looked back two pages...I brought up the budget costs on THIS thread..
Btw, have you ever lived in, and experienced the joys and costs of Izhevsk??
Lived.. no..
As I have stated on two previous occasions on here... your 'lurking' cannot have been too diligent... I know someone from there... We are in regular contact... My figures for apts. came from that source..
The clue was concerning knowing folk who work/ worked for state run oil / gas firms.... which you also 'questioned' as I was pointing out follk were losing their jobs...and you were trying to paint a picture of rosiness..
Actual costs for Izhevsk, central apartment.
property maintenance -10.30r/m2.
central heating- 28.9r/m2
cold water 29.03r/m3
hot 130.27r/m3
sewage 30.17r/m3
rubbish 45r per registered person
electricity 3.04r/kw (Day tariff)
electricity 1.98r/kw (Night tariff)
gas 58.3r/therm.
Property rental from 210r/m2 (Un-renovated property)
Property rental from 283r/m2 (Remont property)
I have never stated that everything in the garden of Russia is rosy, I have always used facts.
One day, you will learn, that, there are NO rosy gardens in this world, some gardens are better, some are worse, but taken on par, they are all the same.
Russia has the same problems as many other countries, Lack of required skills/education/qualifications, for the jobs available.
Izhevsk is no different, many have become unemployed by improved technology, removal of soviet era employment laws, and the economic pressures to remove waste in all businesses.
Unemployment level there is quiet low in comparison to the state levels at 3.6% (Oct2015), many of which would be classed as "unemployable", "Un-educated", "Alcoholics/drug users", (in my opinion).
You are always trying to paint Russia, as the "Big Bad Wolf", why I don't know, as you claim to live in the country for 6 months/year, and at times, you, maybe on purpose, deliberately take opinions rather than facts, possibly also lies, to support your pretence of being a knowledgeable and experienced person.
In all these years that I have "Known" you, you have never changed, and I doubt that you ever will.
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He was just bullshitting again...
My adding a zero was 'bullshitting'...?! The adjective was possibly careless....but it is kind of hard to check ones posts in bright sunlight...
Not careless, just manipulation of the truth.
Bright sunlight my arse, any old excuse.
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Your time on this planet will probably be about 10 billion years , most of that time you will be dead and buried :( For some strange reason we only get to live about 70/90 years of life!
So best take every opportunity to do exactly what you want in life, I would start planning now :)
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electricity 3.04r/kw (Day tariff)
electricity 1.98r/kw (Night tariff)
Wow, thats expensive!
I think I'm paying 5r/kw (daytime) and I am living in NL.
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I knew Moby typoed. I subtracted a zero. Rent wouldn't be an issue, she owns her place free and clear so it's just the utilities, groceries and comforts. She is earning less than the amount I quoted and doing okay. Of course I am an extra mouth to feed, which is why it is good I would be earning more. I am not trying to save her by becoming rich in Russia. I am planning for a situation where we can pass our time modestly and comfortably waiting for the Canadian immigration process. Any you guys spent much time in Izhevsk?
For food, I would recommend the "Kotlet" bar, good inexpensive food, goes well with a bottle of red.
Blini bistro, also nice and cheap, and there is another bistro who's mane I cannot remember, also good.
Best club I found was pyatnitza, good pool tables there also.
Things to do, well, its got a lovely park, just right for a spot of fresh air, and for kids, there are several really nice churches/cathedral worthy of a visit iMHO.
During the summer, walking in the surrounding "nature" and shashlik is a must, along with mushrooming in late summer, and good skiing/snowboarding/sledging during the winter.
I would suggest that you make an appointment to meet the dean at the Udmurt state uni, and get a walk around, if you explain your situation to him, I think that he may possibly give you some sound advice and help.
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electricity 3.04r/kw (Day tariff)
electricity 1.98r/kw (Night tariff)
Wow, thats expensive!
I think I'm paying 5r/kw (daytime) and I am living in NL.
Its the info that I was given, but I noticed that its also much more than I am paying, I have no explanation as to why, unless its a typo... :chuckle:
Anyway, its less than you are paying. :money:
You pay 5cents/kw, that's very little, I don't know 100% what the cost of electric is in the UK these days offhand, but I suspect that its much more than that.
Maybe I can get some up to date help here/?
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electricity 3.04r/kw (Day tariff)
electricity 1.98r/kw (Night tariff)
Wow, thats expensive!
I think I'm paying 5r/kw (daytime) and I am living in NL.
:ROFL:
Think about it, at least you are getting electric, Crimea is rationed..
;D
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A representative cost for UK electricity might be 15p per kilowatt hour.
Fun page here:https://www.ukpower.co.uk/tools/running_costs_electricity
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:ROFL:
Think about it, at least you are getting electric, Crimea is rationed..
;D
Thats right,
Evpatoria cycled again last sunday to the new schedule,
now my MIL has no electricity from 6-8 am and from 6-8 pm... ergo, when most people want electricity !!!
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:ROFL:
Think about it, at least you are getting electric, Crimea is rationed..
;D
Thats right,
Evpatoria cycled again last sunday to the new schedule,
now my MIL has no electricity from 6-8 am and from 6-8 pm... ergo, when most people want electricity !!!
You should look at the positive side, at least she is saving money.
Don't worry, there is a distinct possibility of the next cable being completed by the end of Feb..
That's as long as the uprating of the sub-stations etc, is also completed.
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Jerash:
One question that you have not asked, but is very important! Once your future wife's sponsorship has been processed will you be able to provide the CRA documents that you have "Canadian Income" at that time which meets the criteria to in fact provide for your new family here in Canada? This is very important.
Case in point: Rvrwind from Alberta after spending about 5 years living in Russia as others have suggested with his wife (we were at their wedding in Russia too) found he had to return to Canada and re-establish himself for at least 6 months before he was in a position to provide documents that in fact he met the CIC visa requirements to support himself and his wife in Canada. If you stop residing in Canada and do not file annually with the CRA that your income meets this requirement you will find yourself in the same position. That is returning and working in Canada to establish yourself and thus indeed able to support your new wife and family. Only then will CIC issue your wife and family the said immigration visas.
You need to think about this. Not doing so will put your future family sponsorship on hold until you are able to do so.
Good Luck whatever you do. Wes.
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Jerash:
One question that you have not asked, but is very important! Once your future wife's sponsorship has been processed will you be able to provide the CRA documents that you have "Canadian Income" at that time which meets the criteria to in fact provide for your new family here in Canada? This is very important.
Case in point: Rvrwind from Alberta after spending about 5 years living in Russia as others have suggested with his wife (we were at their wedding in Russia too) found he had to return to Canada and re-establish himself for at least 6 months before he was in a position to provide documents that in fact he met the CIC visa requirements to support himself and his wife in Canada. If you stop residing in Canada and do not file annually with the CRA that your income meets this requirement you will find yourself in the same position. That is returning and working in Canada to establish yourself and thus indeed able to support your new wife and family. Only then will CIC issue your wife and family the said immigration visas.
You need to think about this. Not doing so will put your future family sponsorship on hold until you are able to do so.
Good Luck whatever you do. Wes.
Thats about right! Life sucks for your working Joe public , work all your life, pay your taxes and they won't even give you a little grace to bring your wife back whilst you look for a new job to support her!
If you can earn a good income from the net it shouldn't matter.
Its a pity the Channel tunnel doesn't stretch to Canada in which case it would just be a suitcase job like in the uk! ;D
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If you can earn a good income from the net it shouldn't matter.
You can earn good money from the net as an expat; and most don't declare it anywhere.
People who are 'travelling', 'between locations' or otherwise non-resident of where they really are can have a lot of fun not paying taxes on some internet income for a few years (I did). But sooner or later you need to touch base with the home country; the one your passport is issued by. Seeking to import a wife is such an example. When I did this, this stuff used to be really loose, I had to provide no tax info or anything. Now it is tightening up. And rightly so.
Healthcare, immigration and all sorts of processes are tightening up. Over time, people who don't pay into the system will be and are excluded from it. It is the same process we use to curb iffy immigration. It is far from watertight yet, many slip through the net. But each quarter the revenue plunders thousands from my account in VAT and other taxes nowadays. It never used to be so. Times are changing.
You can avoid it to a point, earning a few hundred a week, staying under the radar, but if you ever hit the 'big time', the 'system' is unavoidable. The point will come when you have to step out from the shadows. But then you simply learn to play the game by different rules. You pay your wife for 16 hours a week, take dividends, utilise "entertaining clients" more, etc.
Turn over a half or even a quarter mil a year sterling from EU/US clients and watch those old shady doors close. But on the upside, US income is VAT free, you get loads of deductions you can spend sat in expensive restaurants with your wife, and with the right advice, it isnt so painful.
Will Sberbank allow credit card processing from the US on a a western facing website? If they do, not for long before you pay Russian tax. Russia will cut you some slack, and they don't report back, but sooner or later they will want their % of your action if you are making money.
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I checked and triple confirmed. Canadians are exempt from the income requirements when sponsoring their spouse, child, or spouse's child.
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For those Americans who think moving to Russia will end any issues you have in dealing with the IRS and earning income in Russia, think again. Despite what you may be thinking that you can earn income in Russia without reporting it to the IRS, Russian banks do indeed report Americans' bank accounts to the IRS and the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) lives in Russia.
On June 30 President Putin signed a law requiring Russian banks to report information on American accounts to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in compliance with the so-called “Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act” (FATCA), enacted by the U.S. Congress in 2010.
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20140725/191441744/Moscow-Must-Close-a-Yawning-Gap-in-Its-Financial-Armor-.html
http://www.accountingweb.com/aa/law-and-enforcement/reports-77000-banks-are-complying-with-us-on-fatca
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Are you a Russian living and earning income outside of Russia? Don't think you have to report that income to the Russian authorities? Maybe you do have to report it?
The Russian government recently introduced legislation that some are calling the Russian FATCA. Banks around the world must now notify the Russian authorities when a Russian national opens a bank account with them, in what PwC is calling the “Russian FATCA”.
PwC summarised the rule as follows: “Under the Order, foreign financial institutions shall submit to Russian tax authorities reports on foreign bank accounts of Russian individuals and legal entities directly or indirectly controlled by Russian individuals.”
Banks must reportedly pass on personal information of their clients, including passport details and addresses, PwC says. However it appears that, in its finalised form, the rule does not require banks to disclose details of the amount held in the bank account. Earlier drafts did have such a requirement. PwC said this amendment was “favourable to foreign financial institutions”.
For those Russians who are living and working outside of Russia it might be time to talk to your bank or the Russian embassy about this particular piece of Russian legislation.
http://www.pwc.ru/ru/legal-services/news/assets/flash-report-64-en.pdf
http://www.internationalinvestment.net/regions/global-banks-hit-with-russian-fatca/
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So i have a couple of properties in Rostov region :innocent:
Our main one a 3 bedroom stand alone house in the depths of winter ie snow on the ground ;D has never cost me more than 6000r per month in the last 7 years
yes i agree year on year it does go up, that also includes our rubbish removal payment local yearly tax and the Telephone / internet,:)
As for the summer house well now that Grandmother can live there all year round after the last couple of years remont/extension this year is coming in at about 3000r in winter
All is doable it just how you plan to live your life, as for eating out, we do this maybe a couple of time a month , we tend to visit friends or they visit us which for us is more the norm than eating out
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If you can earn a good income from the net it shouldn't matter.
You can earn good money from the net as an expat; and most don't declare it anywhere.
People who are 'travelling', 'between locations' or otherwise non-resident of where they really are can have a lot of fun not paying taxes on some internet income for a few years (I did). But sooner or later you need to touch base with the home country; the one your passport is issued by. Seeking to import a wife is such an example. When I did this, this stuff used to be really loose, I had to provide no tax info or anything. Now it is tightening up. And rightly so.
Healthcare, immigration and all sorts of processes are tightening up. Over time, people who don't pay into the system will be and are excluded from it. It is the same process we use to curb iffy immigration. It is far from watertight yet, many slip through the net. But each quarter the revenue plunders thousands from my account in VAT and other taxes nowadays. It never used to be so. Times are changing.
You can avoid it to a point, earning a few hundred a week, staying under the radar, but if you ever hit the 'big time', the 'system' is unavoidable. The point will come when you have to step out from the shadows. But then you simply learn to play the game by different rules. You pay your wife for 16 hours a week, take dividends, utilise "entertaining clients" more, etc.
Turn over a half or even a quarter mil a year sterling from EU/US clients and watch those old shady doors close. But on the upside, US income is VAT free, you get loads of deductions you can spend sat in expensive restaurants with your wife, and with the right advice, it isnt so painful.
Will Sberbank allow credit card processing from the US on a a western facing website? If they do, not for long before you pay Russian tax. Russia will cut you some slack, and they don't report back, but sooner or later they will want their % of your action if you are making money.
You can always re locate to Transnistria every thing is possible there ;D
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Hi WestCoast- just want to remind you that this thread is for people thinking about temporarily locating to Russia to do up the immigration issues. You can start a new thread for talking about American and Russian taxation. I'll be grateful if you don't pollute my thread further with off topics. Thanks!
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If you can earn a good income from the net it shouldn't matter.
You can earn good money from the net as an expat; and most don't declare it anywhere.
People who are 'travelling', 'between locations' or otherwise non-resident of where they really are can have a lot of fun not paying taxes on some internet income for a few years (I did). But sooner or later you need to touch base with the home country; the one your passport is issued by. Seeking to import a wife is such an example. When I did this, this stuff used to be really loose, I had to provide no tax info or anything. Now it is tightening up. And rightly so.
Healthcare, immigration and all sorts of processes are tightening up. Over time, people who don't pay into the system will be and are excluded from it. It is the same process we use to curb iffy immigration. It is far from watertight yet, many slip through the net. But each quarter the revenue plunders thousands from my account in VAT and other taxes nowadays. It never used to be so. Times are changing.
You can avoid it to a point, earning a few hundred a week, staying under the radar, but if you ever hit the 'big time', the 'system' is unavoidable. The point will come when you have to step out from the shadows. But then you simply learn to play the game by different rules. You pay your wife for 16 hours a week, take dividends, utilise "entertaining clients" more, etc.
Turn over a half or even a quarter mil a year sterling from EU/US clients and watch those old shady doors close. But on the upside, US income is VAT free, you get loads of deductions you can spend sat in expensive restaurants with your wife, and with the right advice, it isnt so painful.
Will Sberbank allow credit card processing from the US on a a western facing website? If they do, not for long before you pay Russian tax. Russia will cut you some slack, and they don't report back, but sooner or later they will want their % of your action if you are making money.
You can always re locate to Transnistria every thing is possible there ;D