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General Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: Steveboy on July 23, 2018, 02:45:18 AM
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The grass is no longer green on the other side for todays Russian women...in fact the grass is dead ..
For example can anyone possibly think of why any young modern Russian women would have any desire to leave her home country to relocate in Sweden??
There can be only four scenarios why a women would..
1. The guy has a huge wallet.. so she will be well looked after..
2. The women is absolutely desperate.. (not so common now, women are not so stupid)
3. True love..( Its not so easy to find at home , so certainly in another country its even harder)
4. The women has a fetish for living amongst refugees..
The same applies to many other countries now. very different from just 10 years ago or even just a few years ago. Probably many guys who met their wives 10 years ago would be in a very different situation today if they decided to search for a partner today ..
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For example can anyone possibly think of why any young modern Russian women would have any desire to leave her home country to relocate in Sweden??
Women with children will consider what the future looks like for their kids.
Will they have to fight in some stupid war? What are the economic prospects for them? Will they be able to help mom in her old age?
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For example can anyone possibly think of why any young modern Russian women would have any desire to leave her home country to relocate in Sweden??
Women with children will consider what the future looks like for their kids.
Will they have to fight in some stupid war? What are the economic prospects for them? Will they be able to help mom in her old age?
Good point!! All the more reason why women with kids will not be in such a Rush to leave Russia today..for many reasons..
1. Do they want their kids to go to a school where their child will probably be the only white kid there! (Don't get me wrong Im not saying there is any thing wrong with kids from other backgrounds)
2. Do they want to send their kids to a school where they is a good chance that kid will be subjected to violence and even a chance of getting his head blown off.. its not so uncommon in the US ?
3. Do they want their kids to go to a school where kids commonly attack the teachers and call them every F word you can think of?
My wife certainly would never want her kids to go to any school in the UK especially the likes of London..
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Are you bored today or is business on a downturn?
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Are you bored today or is business on a downturn?
No business roaring away.. Bored? Well not bored, but sat in front of the screen all day its some thing to do.. :laugh:
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Are you bored today or is business on a downturn?
No business roaring away.. Bored? Well not bored, but sat in front of the screen all day its some thing to do.. :laugh:
In other words.....you’re bored.
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2. Do they want to send their kids to a school where they is a good chance that kid will be subjected to violence and even a chance of getting his head blown off.. its not so uncommon in the US ?
Don't forget about buckets!!!!
Analysis of Consumer Product Safety Commission data revealed 160 bucket
related drownings for the years 1984 through 1989, representing a mortality
rate of 0.367 per 100 000 persons (younger than 2 years old) per year in
the United States.
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The day that the socially clueless could go to the FSU wave around his
blue passport and getting buried under a barrage of sexy laced silk
panties is gone (if it ever existed).
However, if a relatively normal guy seeks out a decent looking FSUW,
woo's her and wins her heart then that is quite a different story. Before
I met Angel Eyes one of the girls I knew from Kiev followed her Bo to
Kabul!
He was a contractor and made a decent amount of coin providing
various services for the troops there. Of course it was temporary
but find the right girl and she will tromp around the world to be
with you.
My Angel Eyes followed me to North Dakota, which is probably the
harshest place to live in the lower 48 states.
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Are you bored today or is business on a downturn?
No business roaring away.. Bored? Well not bored, but sat in front of the screen all day its some thing to do.. :laugh:
In other words.....you’re bored.
Some times I get a little bored.. watched about 4000 movies in the last few years , usually 1/2 a day.. then get into some series and sometimes I just think "Christ whats ***** can I post some where" :laugh:
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The grass is no longer green on the other side for todays Russian women...in fact the grass is dead ..
For example can anyone possibly think of why any young modern Russian women would have any desire to leave her home country to relocate in Sweden??
There can be only four scenarios why a women would..
1. The guy has a huge wallet.. so she will be well looked after..
2. The women is absolutely desperate.. (not so common now, women are not so stupid)
3. True love..( Its not so easy to find at home , so certainly in another country its even harder)
4. The women has a fetish for living amongst refugees..
The same applies to many other countries now. very different from just 10 years ago or even just a few years ago. Probably many guys who met their wives 10 years ago would be in a very different situation today if they decided to search for a partner today ..
Thinking of upsetting more potential clients, Steveboy ? :chuckle:
Funnily enough a Belrusian lady I talked with about six years ago - left and married a Norwegian - the Norwegians are more racist than their neighbours..Then there's the lady from central Russia who's married a German - as has a Ukrainian lady I chatted with.
Could there be another factor you've missed ?
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the Norwegians are more racist than their neighbours..
In Moby-WorldTM, "racist" means not wanting to be the last bloke in your street speaking English, not wanting to hear a call to prayer in Scandinavia and not being too fond of the idea of your children being groomed and/or gang raped by Muslims.
Naturally, Moby personally knows 471 Muslims in Norway who all came on the "refugee" boat, who now speak fluent Norwegian, English and Latin and not only earn four times the national average but also read the Guardian. He speaks with them in Urdu, naturally. :ROFL:
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Exceptions do not prove a rule. There's always exceptions.
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the Norwegians are more racist than their neighbours..
In Moby-WorldTM, "racist" means not wanting to be the last bloke in your street speaking English, not wanting to hear a call to prayer in Scandinavia and not being too fond of the idea of your children being groomed and/or gang raped by Muslims.
Naturally, Moby personally knows 471 Muslims in Norway who all came on the "refugee" boat, who now speak fluent Norwegian, English and Latin and not only earn four times the national average but also read the Guardian. He speaks with them in Urdu, naturally. :ROFL:
:laugh:
Moby said “ray-sist”! It almost sounds like resist, the siren call of the losers over here in the USA.
Will you be donning a pink knit hat Moby?
The U.K. Police have been busy monitoring social media and arresting people for “offensive” language and jokes.
Too bad the leftist PC commies don’t actually believe in equality, because if they did that mayor of London Khan would have been arrested for his offensive balloon.
Orwell’s 1984 totalitarian society didn’t happen on schedule, but it is indeed happening all over Western Europe.
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In Moby-WorldTM, "racist" means not wanting to be the last bloke in your street speaking English, not wanting to hear a call to prayer in Scandinavia and not being too fond of the idea of your children being groomed and/or gang raped by Muslims.
Naturally, Moby personally knows 471 Muslims in Norway who all came on the "refugee" boat, who now speak fluent Norwegian, English and Latin and not only earn four times the national average but also read the Guardian. He speaks with them in Urdu, naturally. :ROFL:
Manny, I believe you last trip to 'the north' was a quick trip to Finland to see Santa ...
Unlike you, I do go to all three countries - regularly
Why do you post exaggerated bollox about immigration ? Did you bother to check the percentages of immigrants v the population ?
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Naturally, Moby personally knows 471 Muslims in Norway who all came on the "refugee" boat, who now speak fluent Norwegian, English and Latin and not only earn four times the national average but also read the Guardian. He speaks with them in Urdu, naturally. :ROFL:
Unlike you, I do go to all three countries - regularly
Man, you are sooooooooooo predictable. I could almost mime it with you. Alan Whicker had nowt on you. :chuckle:
Why do you post exaggerated bollox about immigration ? Did you bother to check the percentages of immigrants v the population ?
Exaggerated bollox? Most people know much of Sweden is finished. It will be a Muslim nation before long. I suggest you follow >>this bloke<< (https://twitter.com/petersweden7) on Twitter and learn something. A better use of your time than stalking my visits to Lapland.
I believe you last trip to 'the north' was a quick trip to Finland to see Santa ...
Perhaps you forgot I have property in the Baltics. 50m south of Helsinki, 490m south of the Arctic circle and 140m east of Sweden to save you checking. Please tell me more about my travels "north". :coffeeread:
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Man, you are sooooooooooo predictable. I could almost mime it with you. Alan Whicker had nowt on you. :chuckle:
Ah, that's it ...your riposte to ignorance ...?
Exaggerated bollox? Most people know much of Sweden is finished. It will be a Muslim nation before long. I suggest you follow >>this bloke<< (https://twitter.com/petersweden7) on Twitter and learn something. A better use of your time than stalking my visits to Lapland.
1/ YOU posted about taking your family to Lapland - we see another version of Manny' and how you define 'stalking', now :chuckle: Don't worry .. just because you choose to live in the same village as my family - who have lived there before you were born - I don't think you are stalking us :))
2/ I've been to Sweden lots and been to McDonalds where there are more migrants than locals ...You know what ? They spoke in Swedish and English, were clean, well-dressed, friendly and business was booming... Whilst you would have felt 'uncomfortable' ..go figure... Sweden is NOT becoming a Muslim country - you are full of it.
I believe you last trip to 'the north' was a quick trip to Finland to see Santa ...
Perhaps you forgot I have property in the Baltics. 50m south of Helsinki, 490m south of the Arctic circle and 140m east of Sweden to save you checking. Please tell me more about my travels "north". :coffeeread:
Estonia is not Scandinavia or Finland and most of us - including you - refer to it as 'eastern' - unless you are trying to 'out-fox' Moby :chuckle:
You should be living there ..
Estonia among countries least accepting of migrants, survey shows
https://news.err.ee/614818/estonia-among-countries-least-accepting-of-migrants-survey-shows (https://news.err.ee/614818/estonia-among-countries-least-accepting-of-migrants-survey-shows)
I'm now up to 15 countries in the last six months and it is much better to see with one's own eyes than be influenced by folks with agendas
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In Moby-WorldTM, "racist" means not wanting to be the last bloke in your street speaking English, not wanting to hear a call to prayer in Scandinavia and not being too fond of the idea of your children being groomed and/or gang raped by Muslims.
Naturally, Moby personally knows 471 Muslims in Norway who all came on the "refugee" boat, who now speak fluent Norwegian, English and Latin and not only earn four times the national average but also read the Guardian. He speaks with them in Urdu, naturally. :ROFL:
2/ I've been to Sweden lots and been to McDonalds where there are more migrants than locals ...You know what ? They spoke in Swedish and English, were clean, well-dressed, friendly and business was booming... Whilst you would have felt 'uncomfortable' ..go figure... Sweden is NOT becoming a Muslim country - you are full of it.
As predicted.
Estonia is not Scandinavia or Finland and most of us - including you - refer to it as 'eastern' - unless you are trying to 'out-fox' Moby :chuckle:
For some years, Estonia has been pretending to be part of Scandinavia.
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Gotta love a guy that deletes valid ripostes lest it embarrasses him
I expect you support banning the burka but would object to reading in The Sun that in Muslim nations brits holiday in - ladies were told to stop wearing bikinis ..
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Gotta love a guy that deletes valid ripostes lest it embarrasses him
You embarrass yourself without my help.
I expect you support banning the burka
Of course. You probably want to make it compulsory in the UK. (:)
but would object to reading in The Sun that in Muslim nations brits holiday in - ladies were told to stop wearing bikinis ..
Well, I don't read the Sun as you know. And personally I dont holiday in Muslim countries so if that happened I couldn't give a hoot either way. I try not to financially support the Muslims if I can help it, and that of course includes holidaying in their countries. But weren't you telling us only two days ago that Muslim countries are full of bacon butties and topless women? You as we know are a Muslim apologist, so any of your comments on Muslims on this site should be treated as pro-Muslim leftist propaganda by any right thinking passing readers.
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Gotta love a guy that deletes valid ripostes lest it embarrasses him
You embarrass yourself without my help.
I expect you support banning the burka
Of course. You probably want to make it compulsory in the UK. (:)
but would object to reading in The Sun that in Muslim nations brits holiday in - ladies were told to stop wearing bikinis ..
Well, I don't read the Sun as you know. And personally I dont holiday in Muslim countries so if that happened I couldn't give a hoot either way. I try not to financially support the Muslims if I can help it, and that of course includes holidaying in their countries. But weren't you telling us only two days ago that Muslim countries are full of bacon butties and topless women? You as we know are a Muslim apologist, so any of your comments on Muslims on this site should be treated as pro-Muslim leftist propaganda by any right thinking passing readers.
if I can help it, and that of course includes holidaying in their countries.
We just returned from Istanbul its the last time for us also to any Muslim country..dont need bitches hissing at the wife cos she's in something to short..they are dam right rude and its the last time I sit in a hotel with nut case women lifting up some flap round their mouth to insert some scrambled eggs..
One of the kids found a note on the floor , she thought it was some lucky find. Unfortunately it was just a 100 something Pakistani note. I told her to wash her hands..
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I wrote a girl for a while in Turkey. She was a not a Muslim girl and said life for non Muslim had gotten much worse recently. If you want to know where to find a bride who wants to leave her country this maybe a good place.
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Gotta love a guy that deletes valid ripostes lest it embarrasses him
You embarrass yourself without my help.
Your 'riposte' doesn't deal with my point, though...
Your need to control 'fact' and allow folk to post bollox - rather than Moby pointing out their errors is approaching Goebbels like censorship
If you can't see that even folks with whom I have a VERY different outlook think you are 'mistaken'...more fool you
I expect you support banning the burka
Of course. You probably want to make it compulsory in the UK. (:)
Typical puerile response..given my other half's tendency to wear less material ... :coffeeread:
but would object to reading in The Sun that in Muslim nations brits holiday in - ladies were told to stop wearing bikinis ..
Well, I don't read the Sun as you know.
I know nothing of the sort - given your viewpoints - you come across as one ... It is amusing that you are upset at such a suggestion - given you tell everyone 'I read the Guardian' :chuckle:
And personally I dont holiday in Muslim countries so if that happened I couldn't give a hoot either way. I try not to financially support the Muslims if I can help it, and that of course includes holidaying in their countries. But weren't you telling us only two days ago that Muslim countries are full of bacon butties and topless women? You as we know are a Muslim apologist, so any of your comments on Muslims on this site should be treated as pro-Muslim leftist propaganda by any right thinking passing readers.
Now, you prove inattentiveness... My comparing a 'Burka' ban to a bikini ban was the perfect analogy ..
As you rightly point out - you won't go to 'Muslim countries' - so my analogy went over your head ..
The 'Muslim' countries we go to wouldn't dream of telling women how to dress - other than may be a Mosque ...
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We just returned from Istanbul its the last time for us also to any Muslim country..dont need bitches hissing at the wife cos she's in something to short..
Has Turkey got that bad, recently ?
We were there only a few weeks ago..... can't say we have experienced ANYTHING loike that in TR or the Northern part of Cyprus ...but then we go to the parts that value tourism and have seen what t can be like if they don't come
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This cannot be true??
https://sputniknews.com/society/201808061066979499-vehicle-residency-number-of-americans-living-in-cars-rises/
I thought everyone in the US lived in a semi with 4 bedrooms, a labrador the husband sees the kids off to school each day in the yellow school bus , then goes to work after saying "See you later honey". The wife spends the day gossiping , shopping and generally sitting at home doing nothing? Well I usually see this in the movies..
I can see why its seems so attractive to dumb ass women..
So do many live in cars and caravans? And if they do what does the wife do? :laugh:
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And if they do what does the wife do?
Make babies.
Though I suspect that many more today are forced out of proper housing. America sadly is becoming a nation of have and have nots. There are in different regions different forces. Some are simply the price to rent/own others the lack of anything to lodge in. The city where my brother has his business has eliminated some six hundred housing units (1950 style) and has created some three hundred new units. Go figure where are +/- 300 people now living?
To be clear we are not speaking of the 'flyovers' but rather those who attempt to live in coastal New England or coastal California. The greater issue if you leave these regions there are no jobs except perhaps plucking fruit.
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This cannot be true??
https://sputniknews.com/society/201808061066979499-vehicle-residency-number-of-americans-living-in-cars-rises/
So do many live in cars and caravans? And if they do what does the wife do? :laugh:
Enjoys the Winnebago as much as the hubbie ?
How do these stats differentiate from those who choose to travel in style and those living in a car
It's probably true of the UK, too
I wouldn't fancy trying it in most of Russia - in winter - and mobile homes / caravans aren't as popular
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What happens to these guys living in cars or caravans if they get sick? I guess they just die? No medical policy..
I have a friend from the US who tells me he needs to make lots of money so he can live longer.. :laugh:
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I have a friend from the US who tells me he needs to make lots of money so he can live longer.. :laugh:
It'll go the same way in the UK. Look at dentistry. I gather there is some kind of government sponsored service, but it is designed for the underclass and pretty much unusable for people with stuff to do. Everyone else pays. And dentists are not cheap to feed.
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I have a friend from the US who tells me he needs to make lots of money so he can live longer.. :laugh:
It'll go the same way in the UK. Look at dentistry. I gather there is some kind of government sponsored service, but it is designed for the underclass and pretty much unusable for people with stuff to do. Everyone else pays. And dentists are not cheap to feed.
Dentists are not so cheap in Russia! Little one had a filling the other day and had to go twice cost about $100 ..but they have good dentists here. Need to go myself but Im a baby so looking for a special one that will give me a jab in the arm first ... :ROFL:
I would rather be shot than visit the dentist..
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I have a friend from the US who tells me he needs to make lots of money so he can live longer.. :laugh:
It'll go the same way in the UK. Look at dentistry. I gather there is some kind of government sponsored service, but it is designed for the underclass and pretty much unusable for people with stuff to do. Everyone else pays. And dentists are not cheap to feed.
Dentists are not so cheap in Russia! Little one had a filling the other day and had to go twice cost about $100 ..but they have good dentists here. Need to go myself but Im a baby so looking for a special one that will give me a jab in the arm first ... :ROFL:
I would rather be shot than visit the dentist..
Avoid cheap dentists in Russia. HEP C is rampant.
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What happens to these guys living in cars or caravans if they get sick? I guess they just die? No medical policy..
I have a friend from the US who tells me he needs to make lots of money so he can live longer.. :laugh:
Usually people who have limited to no financial resources just "make do" every day. If they cannot afford needed medicine, they go on without it. If they need dental work, they go on without it. Some rely on medical/dental caravans that come by to poor communities to service indigent people. The people who show up say they had not had their blood pressure checked nor any dental work done for many years.
As some have said: No money, no honey. I would add, no money, then all you have left is charity from family/friends or the last option (theft or criminal ventures).
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I've been to Sweden lots and been to McDonalds where there are more migrants than locals ...You know what ? They spoke in Swedish and English, were clean, well-dressed, friendly and business was booming...
I missed this belter......Jesus Christ, Moby is absolutely mental.
:'(
I expect you support banning the burka
And again.......
:dh:
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We just returned from Istanbul its the last time for us also to any Muslim country..dont need bitches hissing at the wife cos she's in something to short..
Has Turkey got that bad, recently ?
We were there only a few weeks ago..... can't say we have experienced ANYTHING loike that in TR or the Northern part of Cyprus ...but then we go to the parts that value tourism and have seen what t can be like if they don't come
We've just had two different sets of friends return from holiday there and both had problems with the locals.
The first couple said that the local men would just walk up to them and ask the lady to go away with them for sex in front of the husband and family. Happened several times. The second couple said the same thing about them making hissing noises so the woman would look at them.
This isn't exclusive to Turkey mind, you can expect this stuff in much of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt etc. I worked in a bar in Tenerife during my youth and the Moroccans were the worst. They'd hiss at you to get your attention so they'd get served, whilst staring at the women. Needless to say they didn't get served if they acted like that so they left, rather than acting civil then wait for you outside to attack you in numbers. Horrible shits.
They can shove that up their arse and I wont be going there. Moby will be along to tell us Brits do the same and that if there were more Muslims in the Uk, we'd be better off for it.
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I missed this belter......Jesus Christ, Moby is absolutely mental.
Mental is having 'sympathy' for low lives like T R
I know little things like facts tend to get buried here - lest the 'agenda' of no 'Muslims welcome here'gets diluted...
I expect you support banning the burka
And again.......
When places like Turkwy ban bikinis - THEN you might have a point
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We've just had two different sets of friends return from holiday there and both had problems with the locals.
The first couple said that the local men would just walk up to them and ask the lady to go away with them for sex in front of the husband and family. Happened several times. The second couple said the same thing about them making hissing noises so the woman would look at them.
This isn't exclusive to Turkey mind, you can expect this stuff in much of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt etc. I worked in a bar in Tenerife during my youth and the Moroccans were the worst. They'd hiss at you to get your attention so they'd get served, whilst staring at the women. Needless to say they didn't get served if they acted like that so they left, rather than acting civil then wait for you outside to attack you in numbers. Horrible shits.
They can shove that up their arse and I wont be going there. Moby will be along to tell us Brits do the same and that if there were more Muslims in the Uk, we'd be better off for it.
Hmm, I am no fan of Erdogan and where he may be taking Turkey - but we've NEVER experienced such 'attention'
The coastal areas of S.Turkey - where tourism is the life blood have regions where guys trying to sell stuff get on my tits - but in the quieter areas - where there are less Russians - much less so
Not a hint of sexual comments - not in all our years of visiting Turkey / Egypt / N.Cyprus and other 'Muslim' countries
If anything I've found Greek Cypriot men to be more 'overt' in advances - but offering business cards to single ladies when out shopping / on the beach
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If true as stated, maybe because your missus doesn't look white, Moby? Perhaps its white women they get the horn about more?
Everyone has heard lots about blokes in Muslim countries behaving like animals toward white tourist women. Are you claiming you have *never* seen this or just with the current squeeze?
Or are you just being contrary because it's what you do and protecting your beloved Muslims from a bit of truth?
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We've just had two different sets of friends return from holiday there and both had problems with the locals.
The first couple said that the local men would just walk up to them and ask the lady to go away with them for sex in front of the husband and family. Happened several times. The second couple said the same thing about them making hissing noises so the woman would look at them.
This isn't exclusive to Turkey mind, you can expect this stuff in much of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt etc. I worked in a bar in Tenerife during my youth and the Moroccans were the worst. They'd hiss at you to get your attention so they'd get served, whilst staring at the women. Needless to say they didn't get served if they acted like that so they left, rather than acting civil then wait for you outside to attack you in numbers. Horrible shits.
They can shove that up their arse and I wont be going there. Moby will be along to tell us Brits do the same and that if there were more Muslims in the Uk, we'd be better off for it.
Hmm, I am no fan of Erdogan and where he may be taking Turkey - but we've NEVER experienced such 'attention'
The coastal areas of S.Turkey - where tourism is the life blood have regions where guys trying to sell stuff get on my tits - but in the quieter areas - where there are less Russians - much less so
Not a hint of sexual comments - not in all our years of visiting Turkey / Egypt / N.Cyprus and other 'Muslim' countries
If anything I've found Greek Cypriot men to be more 'overt' in advances - but offering business cards to single ladies when out shopping / on the beach
Maybe your other half isn't really their thing? Blondes tend to get much of the attention.
Still that's your experience and I've had mine. It happens.
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I have been going to Istanbul now for about 7 years , twice in the last 10 months..Its always been a pretty nice place and for sure a vibrant city with lots going on.. BUT it has changed considerably over the last few years, its become dirty full of rude women hissing at white women in shorts and the likes off.
The beach areas now have many women swimming in their crazy muslim swim suit, it never used to be. And taking a trip down the Bosporus you can see several big clubs/restaurants that were always packed.. trashed..
No we will not be returning for a long time..
Of course I'm sure the situation is different along the popular tourist resorts.. but I cannot comment on that ..
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I have never been to Turkey, but most of my friends whom returned also said it will take a good long thinking before going again.
The main complaints were the attitude from Locals as described, the filthy unclean environment and the political environment making it much more dangerous.
Pro:
Cheap
Con's
Many.
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If true as stated,
:sick0012:
maybe because your missus doesn't look white, Moby? Perhaps its white women they get the horn about more?
Jeez, that's it ? That's your 'reasoning' ? :chuckle: ...
Not too many blond 'ish' tanned 'Muslim' women walk about with such short skirts and liberated baps under tiny tops and you had to say that ;)))? BOLLOX ...
Everyone has heard lots about blokes in Muslim countries behaving like animals toward white tourist women. Are you claiming you have *never* seen this or just with the current squeeze?
I'm saying WE as in her and I have NEVER experienced such behaviour - period.
This is a woman that wears skimpy bikinis and goes topless on beaches in Muslims countries you've never BEEN to...
Or are you just being contrary because it's what you do and protecting your beloved Muslims from a bit of truth?
I asked SC - after I saw how this thread was evolving - if she felt safer on a deserted beach in Sochi or in Cyprus and she said Sochi - but only because. " I can tell any Russian / Georgian / Armenian, etc., guy who lies too close to me or lights up a cigarette to 'move away'. " ... She has not been frightened or bothered in the way mentioned by 2nd hand stories in several 'Muslim' nations she has holidayed in ..
The ONLY time she has ever felt concerned is when a bunch of 17-18 year old Russian lads were bothering her and a friend - sunbathing on a rocky groyne and she can hold hold a number on her phone and it calls my RU mobile. I was in Sochi with the other lady's husband and was on the scene in 15mins .. but the guys had moved on when the girls convinced them that the husbands were coming ...
V went to Turkey on her todd, last autumn ... She used to go before we were married and has been going again, since .... Lot's of FSU folk adore S.Turkey and don't feel unsafe.
So, NO - I'm being entirely truthful - telling you - a guy who won't go to 'Muslim nations' - just how mistaken you are ....
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I have never been to Turkey, but most of my friends whom returned also said it will take a good long thinking before going again.
The main complaints were the attitude from Locals as described, the filthy unclean environment and the political environment making it much more dangerous.
Pro:
Cheap
Con's
Many.
Yet ANOTHER guy who hasn't been dissing a place based on what others say ?
Yes, parts of Turkey are unkempt and can be messy - but no more so than some Russians - who think piling up their waste against the sea wall is 'tidying'
Again, we've not seen ANY behaviour in the Turkish part of Cyprus or Turkey that would be considered alarming ... SC gets FAR more unwanted attention from Caucasian types in RUSSIA
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I missed this belter......Jesus Christ, Moby is absolutely mental.
https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crucified-man-in-mecca-while-calling-out-canada-human-rights-2018-8
Crucifixion is back. Ahh.. the good old days. (:)
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Maybe your other half isn't really their thing? Blondes tend to get much of the attention.
As I have pointed out, before...our Rosco loves to wade in without thinking ....
What colour js SC's hair?
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Well, I have more experience of Turkey than all you guys put together. I have lived in Antalya province for 10 years now.
There is very low chance of women being sexually hassled in ANY of Antalya's tourist resorts during regular hours. Of course if you are drunk in a club at 2am that is going to be different (:)
The police will not tolerate that sort of behavior. Neither will the business owners. There are millions of Russian tourists here this season. Tourists are the life blood of the economy. Of course Turkish men leer at western women but that is as far as it usually goes. At sunset most of the bikini wearing girls on the beach are Turkish ;D
Now if you go outside the tourist areas into Anatolia things are different. These places are not westernized. The people are poorly educated and religious. Dress conservatively. Mind your own business and you will be OK. You can walk into a shop in Kemer wearing virtually nothing and get served. Try the same thing in Konya and you will likely be arrested...
We have driven all over Turkey - even explored the black sea coast. The area around Trabzon is really beautiful but is not really for tourists. My family speaks Turkish, both daughters are native speakers so we get around easily. I know you guys may be surprised by this but Turkey is safe. Erdogan maintains law and order and has kept the USA instigated chaos away.
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Well, I have more experience of Turkey than all you guys put together. I have lived in Antalya province for 10 years now.
Have read that the level of education in Turkey, outside of the professional class of course, is quite low.
What are your observations and is this seen in the behavior of the people in those areas?
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Slumba,
There are all kinds of things! Educated Turks are very clean (from personal observation), hardworking. Correct and erudite. Beautiful interlocutors. Their upbringing does not allow speaking vulgarity and banality to Western women. Have family values! Very hospitable. Foreigners - respected!
When I go on an excursion from Kemer to Antalya, our guide was a Turk. He speaks fluent Russian. Talking about the history of Turkey, he said a wonderful phrase: "We - the Turks never lie before other nations"! My jaw dropped ... :o :chuckle:
Please, do not confuse Russian-speaking tourists with tourists from Russia. As a rule, residents of the former USSR come to Turkey for work, guest workers. However, as in Russia. tiphat