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Title: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: paxton on December 17, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on December 17, 2011, 09:54:06 PM
It's one of the worst dating websites one can use.  (http://tinyurl.com/38hq32)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on December 17, 2011, 11:26:14 PM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

Your first post and you asking a question that has been covered repeatedly by previous discussion and comment.  Might I politely suggest you do a couple hours of archive research and then come back to this thread with any unanswered questions you might have.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: upsylon on December 18, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
It's one of the worst dating websites one can use.
Yes the worst, equally with allsinglerussiangirls/datingandmatchmaking.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: BeachBum on December 20, 2011, 09:03:57 PM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

It's both.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: kievstar on December 21, 2011, 08:32:47 AM
 is a good tool to find women and than look in local city to find their local agency.  You do not have to pay a dime to use  search engine.

Attractive younger women do not like answering a bunch of letters and skyping with strangers.  The agency does the letter writing for them.  The agency may call the girl on the phone to get additional information if they really find a fool sending letters weekly to get some additional personal information.

Now the new features they have with women on line is another scam.  My wife's cousin does this to pay for her college and for clothes.  That being said my wife's cousin will marry a rich young good looking millionaire who likes a controlling RW.  She has yet to meet any man in person who has come to see her.  Since she is only 19 years old nothing wrong with taking dirty old men money on the internet. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: paxton on December 24, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

Your first post and you asking a question that has been covered repeatedly by previous discussion and comment.  Might I politely suggest you do a couple hours of archive research and then come back to this thread with any unanswered questions you might have.


Sorry I did a search and nothing came up on this site, I did find it very odd
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: nunya on December 25, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
Paxton, there are some wonderful women on the site in question.  Most of these women, the good one's that is, are not aware of the scamming, many think the site will help them.

Paxton both skakespear and myself have probably more knowledge and experience with and about Anastasia than anyone.  Why don't you PM either or both of us.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: BeachBum on December 29, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
Paxton, I would recommend you open a account on Vkontakte (vk.com).  This is the Russian version of Facebook and it is free.  Before you invest anytime with a woman on Anastasia, find her on vk first.  About 2/3 of the women on Anastasia can be found very easily on vk using their search engine and the  information Anastasia provides on the women.  If she will talk to you for free on vk, then it is less likely she is a scammer.  Many will ignore you on vk.  I suggest you then ignore them on Anastasia.  My only suggestion is to at least chat with them or get at least one letter from them before contacting them on vk.  Contacting them on vk when they have no knowledge of you is a bit weird.  Also, Anastasia poses as some of the women using their profiles without their knowledge, so make sure when you send a letter to them on vk you mention your contact with them on Anastasia.  Most know Anastasia writes letters on their behalf.  You may want to check out my post in this section about using the Russian social networking site.  I've developed one very good friendship on vk with a woman I met on Anastasia.  We talk every day.  I have three more casusl friendships where we chat once or twice a week and it is all free chat.  For women that don't speak English, use translate.google.com to write them notes.  It works fine for both sending in Russian and translating what they send.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: wyo_cementer on January 23, 2012, 01:05:27 PM
Go to russianbrides.com.  It looks exactly like AD.  Scroll to page bottom ad you will find a copyright...AnastasiaDate!  Go figure!

(http://www.loveme.com/go/49654)(http://www.elenasmodels.com/?goto=ladagirl)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: mazimtaim on January 23, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

It's both.

Agreed!

For me it was mostly a scam.  But I can see how you can luck into a nice lady there.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: BeachBum on January 24, 2012, 07:09:23 AM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

It's both.

Agreed!

For me it was mostly a scam.  But I can see how you can luck into a nice lady there.


Yes, agreed, I think it is about 95% scam and about 5% real.  That has been my assessment based on the number of women from Anastasia willing to talk and develop a relationship without pay per chat or pay per letter on the Russian social networking site Vkontakte (vk.com).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: GregSam on February 02, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
What I have noticed, is you can tell that different ladies have changed when writing to a certain lady letters, different style completely. Then there will be the ones that will not write letters but only want to chat and ones that will not post recent pictures from there cell phone photos.
 Yes I'm a fool for all these and more, like the one in Moldova that I had a private party deliver flowers and give her my private email address. Yes she gave me her address, they delivered flowers and took a picture but she did not want my personal email.
 One thing I have done in the past is to copy and paste her profile in google search, once there was 3 others using the same profile, I don't know maybe they were triplets.
 I do think someone was right earlier, 95% scammers, 5% real, right now I am talking with one from Anastaisia, Eleana's Models, and viewing Kerson Connection. Eleana's we use our personal emails. Kerson Connection I am not sure, at least he is a expat. I am planning my trip in May by myself.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: russianbridereality on February 23, 2012, 01:26:23 PM
DON'T TRUST THIS COMPANY!
You should see what they did with a Valentine’s Day contest
Offer the women a new car for the ones who do the most live chat!
They pay girls to come to their parties!
Many of their profiles are totally phony!
They have company employees who answer the e-mails
The average rip off per man is about $300-$500 but it goes into the thousands!
check out this site for the girls   www.svadba.com/news.aspx
This company is not about love and romance, it’s just about money!

I also explain what other things they do on my series of videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RussianBrideReality?ob=0&feature=results_main
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Odessarents on February 26, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
This was a topic that was already mentioned in a previous post about the way they are getting girls to register here is the link to the post  http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=12845.0 (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=12845.0)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on April 07, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
Sorry for my English.
Bravo to BeachBum. Bravo for Russianbridereality.
I too have been victim.
!% Percent good, 99% bad. Nice girls not last long at the agency. When they get tired, some deleted their profile, but others leave. These profiles are managed abandoned by others. Sometimes male ..
Personally speaking I checked Eugeni. That was in Nykolaev and he confirmed that charged money for this work.
In situ, it is best to meet Ukrainian women. VK is best if you decide to go later.
In August, I will marry a lovely girl I met by VK.
I'd love to help the thousands of victims of these agencies. Some billed tens of millions of dollars monthly. It is easy to calculate.
Hello desde España...
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 07, 2012, 10:52:08 AM
Here is a general rule that, sadly, holds true more often than not:

If you write to a drop-dead gorgeous girl and she ignores you, she is sincere.
If she responds, she is a scammer.

The moral of this story is that we guarantee our failure by the choices that we make.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 08, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
Here is a general rule that, sadly, holds true more often than not:

If you write to a drop-dead gorgeous girl and she ignores you, she is sincere.
If she responds, she is a scammer.

The moral of this story is that we guarantee our failure by the choices that we make.

The ugly truth is that the above is true. If a man wants to go to the former Soviet Union with the "Anastasia bird in pocket" he is dreaming. There are real women there but your taste and knowledge needs to be refined and sensitive.

To the moderators since this seems to be an ongoing reality why not mash all these unrelated posts in a central one. Might save the mods work & the veterans can shake there heads and sigh (in chat) oh well another one bites the dust!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on April 10, 2012, 10:08:24 AM
Sorry for my English.
Bravo to BeachBum. Bravo for Russianbridereality.
I too have been victim.
!% Percent good, 99% bad. Nice girls not last long at the agency. When they get tired, some deleted their profile, but others leave. These profiles are managed abandoned by others. Sometimes male ..
Personally speaking I checked Eugeni. That was in Nykolaev and he confirmed that charged money for this work.
In situ, it is best to meet Ukrainian women. VK is best if you decide to go later.
In August, I will marry a lovely girl I met by VK.
I'd love to help the thousands of victims of these agencies. Some billed tens of millions of dollars monthly. It is easy to calculate.
Hello desde España...

Bienvenido.

That is not your real name. Dime que no es cierto.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on April 21, 2012, 01:41:37 AM
Anyone knows this email address?
flowerfield@(removed).ru
Corresponds to a girl Anastasia.
Her name is Ekaterina (last name removed) Igorevna.
It takes more than 4 years writing letters.
She is restrained. She is writing only 10 to 12 men during that time.



(Moderator note: Igorevna is her middle name, not the last name. It is the patronymic name from her father. Her last name is a real name and has been removed.)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on April 21, 2012, 08:34:56 AM
Anyone knows this email address?
flowerfield@mail.ru
Corresponds to a girl Anastasia.
Her name is Ekaterina Dolgaja Igorevna.
It takes more than 4 years writing letters.
She is restrained. She is writing only 10 to 12 men during that time.

This the girl you were supposed to be marrying in August that you met on VK? If so what are you doing on Anastasia writing other women?

Sorry for my English.
Bravo to BeachBum. Bravo for Russianbridereality.
I too have been victim.
!% Percent good, 99% bad. Nice girls not last long at the agency. When they get tired, some deleted their profile, but others leave. These profiles are managed abandoned by others. Sometimes male ..
Personally speaking I checked Eugeni. That was in Nykolaev and he confirmed that charged money for this work.
In situ, it is best to meet Ukrainian women. VK is best if you decide to go later.
In August, I will marry a lovely girl I met by VK.
I'd love to help the thousands of victims of these agencies. Some billed tens of millions of dollars monthly. It is easy to calculate.
Hello desde España...

Brass

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: mendeleyev on April 21, 2012, 08:46:18 AM

John, welcome to RUA.

We usually don't divulge complete name and email info so I've deleted some of her info to make this somewhat anonymous.

I'm assuming that the reason you posted is that you believe her to be a scam. Truth is, perhaps she is and there is just as good a chance that a scammer is using the info of an innocent lady without her knowledge. There is also the chance that you could be a jilted guy angry over rejection. We simply don't know and posting personal information here doesn't prove or disprove any of the above.

Lets start with some helpful pointers:

- The number of men a gal writes to is of no consequence. Heck, most uncommitted men start out writing 3 to 4 times that number and eventually narrow the choices down to a very few to visit.

- Likely you mean that she is writing 10-12 and telling them all that she is in love, can't bear life without him, etc, etc. Again, lots of men pull that same act until they're met the real one.

I'd suggest that you do a lot of research and reading here at RUA before getting too serious about any one girl. This will save you both money and heartache. Knowledge is power.

On the other hand, if you're feeling hurt and want to spread the news about this girl to all the world, please do it somewhere else. We don't have time for chasing boogey men women as the men on this forum are serious about finding a wife or maintaining a long term relationship with their Russian bride. There are websites out there, worth far less than the fees they charge, if any, and they'd be so happy to wallow in misery right alongside any man who feels jilted or scammed.

Meantime you are at the right place to learn how to find and cultivate a relationship with a real and sincere lady so stick around and be willing to learn how to be successful before you waste time and energy in the wrong directions.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 21, 2012, 09:22:06 AM

Anyone knows this email address?
flowerfield@(removed).ru
Corresponds to a girl Anastasia.
Her name is Ekaterina (last name removed) Igorevna.
It takes more than 4 years writing letters.
She is restrained. She is writing only 10 to 12 men during that time.


John, Welcome here!

Why not read some threads and figure out this endeavor. We as a group we will help and give suggestions. We can help the needy but rarely the greedy.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 21, 2012, 09:48:06 AM
It takes more than 4 years writing letters.

This is very vague. It is impossible to determine whether you wrote to this person for four years or you have information that she or he has been active for four years. Please clarify.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on April 23, 2012, 11:21:36 AM
Hi Brasscasing.

A long time ago that I let Anastasia put her hands on my money.
I met my girlfriend later.
With explanations of it, I understood many things Russian bride business.
Some organizations make a lot of money trading with the feelings of men and material needs of the girls from the East.
Being cheated repeatedly can leave deep wounds.

Do not forget, my focus is to help potential victims ...
John.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on April 25, 2012, 04:16:06 PM
Hello TomT.
She is in the agency for 4 years. Today still there.
I was writing for 4 months.
Anastasia gave me his personal email, after the 16 letters.
For personal mail, she swore her love.
When I confirmed my trip to Ukraine, began to cool.
I was there, and the meeting was not possible. She said she was traveling to Crimea.
At that time, I wrote five other girls.
I did so because Anastasia recommended maintaining contact with 10 or 12 girls at once. According to them, is much easier to succeed in the election.
With the other five girls was not possible the meeting.
On his return to Spain, I sent several sms to Ekaterina.
She did not answer any. However, when I wrote throughAnastasia, got an immediate response.
There are over our communications.
Then, hurt by the deception, I was investigating its presence in the Agency.
I noticed that the time and day she was there, he agreed
in the presence of 7 other girls.
  I played on the schedule that you can read in the profile of the girls, who was writing letters in series. With intervals of 1 to 5 minutes. When a day was not registered her presence, the other7 girls also went to the agency.
Much later I discovered ruadventures.
Everything would have been different ...
I would not surprise me that Anastasia has tried to control RUA.
They are very powerful.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 06, 2012, 09:19:56 AM
Hello Mendeleyev.

The number of people at a girl sends letters to Western men, it is very important. You know better than me the mentality of the Russian and Ukrainian girl. These girls, if they are honest, do not play to write letters. They want to find their match in these agencies. Girls who charge for every letter they write, they do to earn a few dollars. The more letters, more dollars.

I see that you are a busy man.
Thanks for writing this so long letter.
I know there are other sites. Thank you.

You can answer my question? :
What makes a Slavic girl 22 years writing letters for 4 years? And always with a cadence of 10 to 12 men.
I'll give you another hint: it's access to their profile matches in days and hours with access to other girls.
When she stops writing for 6 days, the others too.
When it comes to their profile at 3 o'clock in the morning, the others too.
You should know that translators are not at that time in the local agency to help the girls. I also know.
Why some of those girls coordinated with Ekaterina
living in other cities located at 130 and 500 kms?

Long ago I've healed the wounds that made me Ekaterina.
Now is the time to help others. Thank you.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2012, 12:30:56 PM
Long ago I've healed the wounds that made me Ekaterina.
Now is the time to help others. Thank you.

? ? ?  Are you now the repentent Ekaterina?

Curious have you read any threads or trip reports - you can read how to do this or how better not to do this.

So you know most Slavic "girls" do not write letters for 4 years starting at the age of 18. At 3 am there time they are very asleep or busy with other activities.

I tend to doubt that Manny the owner of RUA will allow anyone (except perhaps Mrs. Manny) to control him.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 07, 2012, 01:04:36 AM
Dear Avhdb:

I see that you are not very objective.
I also see that you know everything ....
You want to torpedo?
It tries to attack or to collaborate in a discussion to get some education?

Anyway, thanks for bothering to write and give life to this forum.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 07, 2012, 06:04:49 AM
 :popcorn:  &   tiphat

go get em  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on May 07, 2012, 08:30:08 AM
Dear Avhdb:

I see that you are not very objective.
I also see that you know everything ....
You want to torpedo?
It tries to attack or to collaborate in a discussion to get some education?

Anyway, thanks for bothering to write and give life to this forum.

John,

We have a language translation problem here. You're reporting a scammer but I gotta tell you, I don't see a scam here. I see an unsatisfied customer and maybe someone who perceives themselves to be a jilted boyfriend.

1) Again, maybe a language issue in your telling of it but Av is absolutely correct regarding the 18 year old.

2) You were writing 5 other girls including this one girl and claim no meeting with any of them transpired when you traveled? What arrangements did you make to meet these girls? Is it possible she/they simply didn't wish to meet with you? What part did the agency play in arranging these meetings?

3) How old are you (ballpark)? I ask this as you appear to be writing women in their very early 20's and age may well factor with some of the problems you're encountering.

Brass

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on May 07, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
I recently used Anastasia for some fun or whatever you want to call it.  They stroke your ego.  That said, one of the lady's was leaving the site and told me.  I asked if I could have her address where she is going to, and lo and behold they gave me her address (actually they allowed her to give mer her full name and address).  And for no additional fee.  Whether or not the woman is real, may depend on whether or not she approves of you, and thinks that YOU are REAL.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 08, 2012, 09:12:57 AM
If you exchange enough messages (I think 15 in total) you can exchange details.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 08, 2012, 09:38:56 AM
If you exchange enough messages (I think 15 in total) you can exchange details.

Is that written in their policy?

Whatever, it doesn't worth the investment, as there are sites where you can pick as much addresses as you like. for example bride.ru (I guess there they don't do it for new car).   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on May 08, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
... you can pick as much addresses as you like...

 :-\   

Do you like to collect addresses?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 08, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
... you can pick as much addresses as you like...

 :-\   

Do you like to collect addresses?

No. I had membership in that site till I requested from them to stop recurring billing. I did not collect addresses even when I could. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 09, 2012, 07:07:38 AM
Right. From the 16 cards you get in touch.
In 6 cases, I do not avail.
Email addresses that no one answers
Fake street addresses.
Phone nonexistent.
Not losing the north ....
The business is based on the girls open your letters.
I noticed that one person is contacting 10 men.
Probably more.
It is very laborious to study a range of 0 to $ 20 per card.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 09, 2012, 07:20:41 AM

I noticed that one person is contacting 10 men.
Probably more.

Forgiveness.
I mean, one person manages the profiles of 10 girls.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 09, 2012, 07:26:35 AM
Quote
Email addresses that no one answers
Fake street addresses.
Phone nonexistent.

Not something to aspire to...
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on May 09, 2012, 07:49:30 AM
Forgiveness.
I mean, one person manages the profiles of 10 girls.

You don't know this. Even with the language problems I'm starting to get the impression you're making this up as you go along.

I've asked you some questions upthread you've not bothered to answer. Be aware I do not allow unsubstantiated accusations or false allegations towards agencies regardless of reputation.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 09, 2012, 07:57:56 AM
The information that become available in this forum is dangerous for the businesses who based on deceiving people, and valuable for the potential victims.
It shouldn't be preserved behind closed doors!
It should bomb any site throughout the web, so many potential victims will not have to fall to this trap just because they didn't know.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on May 09, 2012, 08:16:26 AM
The information that become available in this forum is dangerous for the businesses who based on deceiving people, and valuable for the potential victims.
It shouldn't be preserved behind closed doors!
It should bomb any site throughout the web, so many potential victims will not have to fall to this trap just because they didn't know.

In time you'll learn that there are those that would try to spread rumours or innuendo about agencies and individual women for no other reason than they feel they've been slighted or are unsatisfied with the results of their association with said agencies or women.

There is a difference between being scammed and being an unsatisfied customer. It is encumbant on the member to substantiate his accusations not the forum.

John has not made his case here. He is avoiding relevant questions and continues posting further allegations without substantiating them.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 09, 2012, 09:07:25 AM
It is very laborious to study a range of 0 to $ 20 per card.

If you insist on using Anastasia than at least write to women where it costs less than $4,= to open a letter! Most likely these women are alive and real. Most agency have a break even of about $5,= per letter so you know. Also if you wish you can from the start just buy the contact details outright, I remember a price of $50,= three years ago.

What I still can not understand is why people continue with the pay for letter program ~ use Mamba or Love Planet.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on May 09, 2012, 10:05:01 AM
Because on Anastasia,HRB/RLM,Dream-marriage,Jump4love et all,you will get supermodel quality gorgeous girls/women writing to you,telling you how wonderful you are,and how they can't wait to meet you,then raise a family with you. :loving:
Other hotties tend to write about the kind of sex they will be enjoying with you.You name it,they'll be more than happy to participate.They'll delight in telling you the same things when they're on webcam chat too :evilgrin0002:

On other sites,that are not pay per letter/pay to chat,these kind of smokin hot girls/women won't write to you. :(

I wonder why that is ?  (:)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 09, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
Quote
Other hotties tend to write about the kind of sex they will be enjoying with you.You name it,they'll be more than happy to participate.They'll delight in telling you the same things when they're on webcam chat too.

Call girls might be cheaper in the long term, yet will fulfill some of your fantasies.   

Quote
On other sites,that are not pay per letter/pay to chat,these kind of smokin hot girls/women won't write to you.

I wonder why that is ?

Write in your ad the most constant girl will be rewarded.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Correction of what I wrote upthread--

It turns out that they did not give me her address.  They did give me her name, and I found her on V Kontakte.  So far she has not returned my hello to her, but I cannot read Cyrillic so I am not sure I even sent it to her.

They gave me her complete name, but the address they gave me is that of the agency.  So, foiled again.  I think the only way to be successful at this is to live over there for awhile and avoid the agencies.  Just meet people in person and take it from there.  If the odds are 90% against you, it's too much like Vegas!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 10, 2012, 06:59:14 AM
Dear Brasscasing,

Making an accusation is very serious.
Everything I write here can be read by the defendants.
So I believe that only speak from what I can prove.
With evidence or witnesses.
I never hide my head under the wings.

Your questions ...
Before, when someone wrote 16 letters to Anastasia, the agency facilitated the personal data of the girl.
From there,
a) Why not arrange a meeting directly with the girl?
b) Why not buy flowers or a gift ODESSA stores?
c) Why not hire an apartment in Kiev or L'VIV?
d) Why not find an interpreter in place of the appointment?

I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.
 
Furthermore, I recommend that you set in the profiles of the girls. 99.99% of the candidates seeking exchanges with men 50 to 75 years.
When I've met a few girls during my several trips to Ukraine, I have demonstrated that they support age differences of up to 15 years.
They are mature early.

Sincerely.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: PBRstreetg on May 10, 2012, 07:37:09 AM
John,
Let me begin with this question: why are you making this thing out to be a cluster :censored: ?

I laughed and I laughed again and I stopped (is that how you spell it? I stopped again and asked myself, are you hearing me? I'm glad we had this little talk) NOW do you feel better? Seriously, do you feel better? Best policy is find out for yourself and get back to me when you can party on sir
love, charlie
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 10, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.

How old is "too young?"

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 10, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.

How old is "too young?"

JP, You have made some 9 postings more or less all complaining about 1st International/Anastasia.

Why not introduce your self, we might have a better idea of who you are and what you are looking for.

If this is not your style we understand. AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 10, 2012, 01:59:50 PM
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I never hide my head under the wings.

Profile is empty.

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I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.

In what country?

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When I've met a few girls during my several trips to Ukraine, I have demonstrated that they support age differences of up to 15 years.

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How old is "too young?"

18 + 15 = 33.


 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 10, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
18 + 15 = 33.

27 + 15 = 42 is also possible.
(He didn't write that every girl would accept a 15-year age gap.)

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 11, 2012, 05:22:28 AM
18 + 15 = 33.

27 + 15 = 42 is also possible.
(He didn't write that every girl would accept a 15-year age gap.)

I will be surprised due to:

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I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on May 11, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Dear Brasscasing,

Making an accusation is very serious.
Everything I write here can be read by the defendants.
So I believe that only speak from what I can prove.
With evidence or witnesses.
I never hide my head under the wings.

Your questions ...
Before, when someone wrote 16 letters to Anastasia, the agency facilitated the personal data of the girl.
From there,
a) Why not arrange a meeting directly with the girl?
b) Why not buy flowers or a gift ODESSA stores?
c) Why not hire an apartment in Kiev or L'VIV?
d) Why not find an interpreter in place of the appointment?

I'm too young. Find a girlfriend from 18 to 27 years is
more or less normal.
 
Furthermore, I recommend that you set in the profiles of the girls. 99.99% of the candidates seeking exchanges with men 50 to 75 years.
When I've met a few girls during my several trips to Ukraine, I have demonstrated that they support age differences of up to 15 years.
They are mature early.

Sincerely.

This whole story of yours is really getting a bit beyond the pale now...

None of this answers anything I've asked you.  Further, your English appears to improve or decline as needed.

As I mentioned up thread there is a difference beween an unsuccessful/unsatsfied customer and a scam. You fall into the former and for whatever reason are now trying to suggest that you've been scammed.

You've mentioned helping others. You're going to need to be a lot more forthcoming and truthful with your narratives if helping is your intention.

Brass

 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 11, 2012, 09:58:47 AM
This so similar to corresponding with an autoresponder program that it's scary.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 14, 2012, 08:30:51 AM


Before I write, I read the title of this forum.
ANASTASIA IS SCAM OR REAL?

I'll tell you a real story.
At that time, I had written about ten letters to Helen.
She had created its listing in February 2009.
Their pictures I had seen dozens of times.
One day I was watching other profiles on Anastasia.
I was shocked to see the same photos in another profile Helen
which had been set six months later.
In this case, opening a letter cost three times more than the profile of Helen.
The cover photograph was different,
For several days I watched the evolution of this profile ..
This was to be open the same days and at a similar time that the profile of Helen. He was doing the same.

I informed the agency of my discovery.
That other card was removed immediately.
They did not give me any explanation.


Greetings to all.

I have been visited by an intruder on my computer!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Hammer2722 on May 14, 2012, 08:56:47 AM
I just don't get why some guys are still using this scam agency after being taken. There are more than enough threads here on this forum and many others stating to stay away from pay-per-letter/credit type sites. I used Anastasia for almost 2 years and it was a complete waste of money. I moved over to a monthly pay site and now I'm working on my fiance's K1.  Your odds of finding a real lady interested in just you on this site are miniscule. Just move on.....
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 14, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
I just don't get why some guys are still using this scam agency after being taken. There are more than enough threads here on this forum and many others stating to stay away from pay-per-letter/credit type sites. I used Anastasia for almost 2 years and it was a complete waste of money. I moved over to a monthly pay site and now I'm working on my fiance's K1.  Your odds of finding a real lady interested in just you on this site are miniscule. Just move on.....

For the same reason that some people can not stay away from a casino.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Hammer2722 on May 14, 2012, 10:59:23 AM
I just don't get why some guys are still using this scam agency after being taken. There are more than enough threads here on this forum and many others stating to stay away from pay-per-letter/credit type sites. I used Anastasia for almost 2 years and it was a complete waste of money. I moved over to a monthly pay site and now I'm working on my fiance's K1.  Your odds of finding a real lady interested in just you on this site are miniscule. Just move on.....

For the same reason that some people can not stay away from a casino.

I don't think itS more about addiction than it is about accepting the fact that they were taken for a ride. Maybe they just can't accept it and think they can make this work. Also, the fantasy of a 18-19 yr old showing "interest" in them may also play a part. I know I was caught in that web for a time. LOL
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 14, 2012, 12:16:01 PM
As a former user of pay-per-letter site I can say the reason for that is the absent of dates within the country, and the fact that in online personals no one writes you and or interested in you (unless you are quite attractive) and sadly when you past certain age your dating pool shrinks and get dry.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 19, 2012, 05:41:35 AM
ANASTASIA is a money machine.

In April 2012, its sales exceeded $ 5,751,000.
If we include some items not controllable (Apartments, gifts,
Phone calls, chat, translators, taxi, shopping profiles, etc.. etc.).
Its turnover could rise from eight million dollars a month.
It is a company with annual growth rates of 25%.
If I were rich, would mount a similar business ANASTASIA.

I have a question to make ANASTASIA:
Many of its 20,000 girls have managed to obtain a total success?
In this activity, the overall success is that she go to the country of her suitor and, at least, lives with her ​​suitor.
My estimate is 5 to 6 cases per 10,000 girls.
The average age of these girls successfully, is 37 years.
These results correspond to the reason for the company?
FALSE!
In other agencies, known for their professionalism, they get very different results. 50 to 70 weddings in 10,000 girls.

I reserve my opinion.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: PBRstreetg on May 19, 2012, 06:29:12 AM
Greetings back,
John you come off like an unorganized grabasstic person. I'd like to see some interaction on this forum from you and not just postings that seem like cut and paste. I'm here to learn, but at the same time if I could help members learn something they did not know or consider all the better. From what you've volunteered: an intangible cluster :censored:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: welder on May 19, 2012, 06:44:32 AM
Source of info?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on May 19, 2012, 08:44:02 AM
Source of info?

There is none. This guy is a crusader. Not a prolific one but stuck in the same program loop just the same. I think he may have tried to use Anastasia and for whatever reason was unsuccessful. Based on what he's posting here (even with language which I think is affected) I'm starting to understand why.

Normally these guys come on great guns, we identify them and as long as they're not causing a ruckess are allowed to stay. Once they are identified though members don't pay much attention to them and the readership pretty much gets the idea. I myself have stopped trying to converse with the guy, it's useless. 

Regardless of their reputation even Anastasia is bound to run across undesirable clients.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 22, 2012, 03:19:14 AM
Mr. Brasscing,

I apologize if I did not answered all your questions.
I think you understand I have the right to do so.
You take a lot right about one thing: "I have not succeeded in Anastasia, and therefore I am resentful.
I have the feeling of being cheated. Maybe I'm wrong ...
That's why I expose my experiences and conclusions.
I need answers and silences those who want to participate in this forum. Thus, my opinions may change.
However, Anastasia has the right to defend my claims. Just enough to show them what I set forth here is false.
They probably will not. They are wrong.
In Spain it is said that a lie repeated often can become a truth.
Arguments based on truth, are devastating to the liar.

Do not forget, my goal is to help others in my humble opinion.
And nothing more. The generating discord is not my favorite game.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 22, 2012, 08:47:35 AM
John,

You have the right to refuse to answer questions but, by doing so, you aren't helping anyone. You are just wasting your time and our time.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 23, 2012, 04:48:41 AM
Mr. TomT,

I see you are very interested in the experiences that I can count
as a former client of ANASTASIA.
To satisfy your curiosity, I will tell another adventure lived by me.

A few days ago I was in Anastasia.
One morning I discovered that the previous day had been discharged from a girl of 23 years. I soon realized that Marina was a girl interesting.
She wrote several letters. The cost to open began as of $ 5.25.
The thing was serious because after several weeks was reduced to $ 1.25 per letter.
She began corresponding with 19 men and finally just
did it myself and two other men.
Her letters were getting warmer and I was captivated.
She told me many details, and even she spoke several times of their parents.
She was a methodical and organized in her life. Student with good academic results. About to finish his studies and eager to marry as soon as possible.

Access to the profile of her, she did 3 days a week: Tuesday and Thursday from 18h30 to 19h or so, and Sunday from 20h00 to 21h30.
Marina was a charm. She was excited and happy with me.

Days later I contacted her to our meeting in Ukraine, would be delayed 3 months for work.
Her response left me petrified. The letter it was cold. She said that foreign men are not serious. She was convinced she would not find their soulmate in ANASTASIA. She was very angry.
From that day Marina did not open their profile.
I wrote several letters, proposing to rectify my decision.
It was late. She did not return to read my letters ...
Three months later I was in an apartment in Nikolayev.
What a surprise! On the PC I saw that Marina had agreed that day and
had read all my previous letters. And he answered them all.
The reason for not answering in time had been a terrible disease that had been his grandmother.
I informed her of my presence in Nikolayev, and my desire to see her.
I told her that our meeting could occur immediately. And next week I would be in Kiev.
She did not answer until the following week when I was in Kiev.
She wrote several letters. Each one sentence and a question.
Now, open the cards cost $ 6.
Then I realized that there was a metamorphosis in Marina.
She was not the same person I had known before.
In the analysis of their profile, I discovered several things:
A. - Now the profile would have Navy at any time of day or night. Several times in the same day.
2. - The style of writing was quite different.
3. - All letters, very short, ended with a question.
4. - The cost to open his letter had been multiplied.
5. - The opening of their profile in time and day coincided with the opening of other profiles that I had booked.
A person would have all of them in a synchronized manner?

At that time, I remembered Eugeni. I met him early one morning
in a cyber cafe Nikolayev.
He had spent the night there answering the letters of the men who wrote the beautiful girls of ANASTASIA.
It was his job. He knew with a prodigious memory the numbers of profiles controlled. He showed me some telling details that left me perplexed.
This is control!
In our farewell, Eugeni gave a revealing phrase:
"You has to find his girl on the street. There are real girls out there
will find it for sure. "
All the valuable information provided by Eugeni O.6 Euros cost me.
The PC I paid rent to the internet cyber cafe ....
In my next trip to Nikolayev, I am going to investigate trade relations between the internet cyber cafe and ANASTASIA.
I'll tell you here.
If ruadventures not stop me from my stay here, it will be possible.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 23, 2012, 05:05:08 AM
John,

I also used Anastasia. (In fact 1st International) Some of the women based on there replies were being fronted. Others I can not say. But I met one woman from Sumy twice who was on 1st International. She was lovely, but a relationship did not develop. When I was in Sumy I met a local agency owner. He stated that his break even for a message after costs and revenue sharing was $5,25. He had managed to forge relationships via his agency through Anastasia.

Another woman in Kiev I met and for about half a year we were together. In fact we were in direct contact after 5 messages as we figured out the other persons details. Unfortunately in the end it did not work out. Both women controlled there own profile through a local agency and the price was under $2,= per message.

Your comment about her price dropping for a message is not true once you open a letter from her that is the price you pay for all subsequent letters, it does not rise and fall like the tides. The more people writing to the woman the more expensive it becomes for subsequent people to communicate with this person, and odd system but it is there system.

If you convince a woman you are coming to meet her and than say you are delayed by three months I suspect she might not be to happy about your promises. Curious did you have a Spanish Russian translator?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jaynibs on May 24, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
I used Ukrainedate.com just out of curiosity.  I found the most wonderful woman ever.  Maybe it was luck, I'm not sure.  I did however, run in to a few scammers that asked for money to translate English.  It was obviously a red flag!!  Skype is the most important thing to use.  I had a few scammers disappear after I asked to see them on Skype.  I have been to Ukraine 3 times now.  I'm engaged and going to be married this summer.  Ukrainedate.com worked for me!  Give it a try.  Good luck!!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 24, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
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Ukrainedate.com worked for me!  Give it a try.  Good luck!!

If I had your face I would :nod:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on May 24, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
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Skype is the most important thing to use.

Jay is absolutely right.  Skype is your best friend in this search.  And not only to avoid scammers.  It allows you to more easily tell which girls are serious.  If they consistently give you some excuse as to why they cannot talk with you on skype, it's almost always a sign that you should move on to someone else. 

For every scammer there are probably twenty nonserious girls.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 24, 2012, 01:11:21 PM
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If they consistently give you some excuse as to why they cannot talk with you on skype, it's almost always a sign that you should move on to someone else.

Also see here:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=16537.msg266302#msg266302
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 24, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
John,

I presume that you never spoke to Marina by telephone or on Skype, correct?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 28, 2012, 07:23:09 AM
Hello AvHdB,

You is right. When a man begins to write to a girl, the cost of opening a letter shall be set at that time.
If she writes more men, the factor increases.
1 to 16 of each month, Anastasia changing the value of that factor.
The new value only affects new claimants.
That value, in addition to quantify your expenses, used to get an idea of ​​the number of men with whom she is writing.
For me, a girl who writes for a long time with many men, I get the impression of a person not serious.
With some age and some experience, the girl would make a shortlist with the first letter you receive. And it will discard all those men who have no serious objectives.
When Marina wrote in his profile, he was showing that he was ruling out other men because their value was declining.
For me it was a sign that she was a person with serious goals.
When Marina's profile was handled by others, that value is shot, while his letters were empty of content.
The cost of opening his letters to me, has always been the same value as when I wrote the first letter.
Therefore you is right.
Greetings.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 28, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
Hello Mr. TomT,

Yes, I spoke by phone with Marina. She was really Marina?
I can not insure.
This was possible in the second attempt. With the first number provided by Anastasia I only got to speak with a Ukrainian man very serious voice.
Marina had a very poor English, but enough to understand on the essentials.
I spoke only twice, and clearly that person had nothing in common with the person with whom I had been writing for so long.
Marina's profile is still present in Anastasia. It is very clear that it is consulted by the same person who is handling several other profiles.
A friend of mine lives in Nykolaev. He has been found that in the direction that the agency gave me, there is a store where someone has never lived.
And the owner of that phone number is a lady who works as an official of the state and whose age exceeds 50 years.
Tom, you can give me your opinion on the situation that I have lived with Marina?
 
regards
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 28, 2012, 07:41:30 AM
Usted piensa que va a encontrar su amor en esta manera?   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 28, 2012, 07:51:28 AM
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I spoke only twice, and clearly that person had nothing in common with the person with whom I had been writing for so long.

There goes the Skype. Move on. (siga adelante, no en Anastasia!)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on May 28, 2012, 10:14:56 PM
To John Petaca--- I am definately not Tom
You have done well to check what you had. Chances are that it is a dud profile. 99 % certain on what you have said.
For those  here with so much great knowledge  and experience they will be able to tell you 100% certainty either way.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 28, 2012, 10:54:49 PM
Hello Mr. TomT,

Yes, I spoke by phone with Marina. She was really Marina?
I can not insure.
This was possible in the second attempt. With the first number provided by Anastasia I only got to speak with a Ukrainian man very serious voice.
Marina had a very poor English, but enough to understand on the essentials.
I spoke only twice, and clearly that person had nothing in common with the person with whom I had been writing for so long.
Marina's profile is still present in Anastasia. It is very clear that it is consulted by the same person who is handling several other profiles.
A friend of mine lives in Nykolaev. He has been found that in the direction that the agency gave me, there is a store where someone has never lived.
And the owner of that phone number is a lady who works as an official of the state and whose age exceeds 50 years.
Tom, you can give me your opinion on the situation that I have lived with Marina?
 
regards

In my opinion, Marina was just another pretty face who never wrote her own letters. When she spoke on the phone, her English was deliberately poor to cover up that she didn't know anything about the content of your correspondence with her. When you actually showed up, the classical medical-emergency excuse was used to explain her unavailabiltiy.

I'm surprised that Jay didn't tell you this since he fancies himself to be quite the expert.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on May 29, 2012, 12:22:44 AM
So tell us Tom-- how many girls have you tried to meet in teh last 10 years? On Anastasia?In Nikolayev?In Ukraine?
With your expertise you will be able to check with 100% certainty--why dont you do that?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 29, 2012, 06:48:51 AM
So tell us Tom-- how many girls have you tried to meet in teh last 10 years? On Anastasia?In Nikolayev?In Ukraine?
With your expertise you will be able to check with 100% certainty--why dont you do that?


I'm not going to write a treatise for every little twit with a personality disorder who thinks that he can bait me. Get your petulent butt back to the other thread and answer Ade's question.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on May 29, 2012, 07:46:40 AM
So tell us Tom-- how many girls have you tried to meet in teh last 10 years? On Anastasia?In Nikolayev?In Ukraine?
With your expertise you will be able to check with 100% certainty--why dont you do that?


I'm not going to write a treatise for every little twit with a personality disorder who thinks that he can bait me. Get your petulent butt back to the other thread and answer Ade's question.
           Your happy to hand out insults -- and what--run to moderater/admin when someone challenges you?
Why dont you answer the question? You hand out advice holding yourself out as an expert--in this specific case--I asked what your expertise actually is?  What do you actually know that is relevent?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on May 29, 2012, 07:59:53 AM
So tell us Tom-- how many girls have you tried to meet in teh last 10 years? On Anastasia?In Nikolayev?In Ukraine?
With your expertise you will be able to check with 100% certainty--why dont you do that?


I'm not going to write a treatise for every little twit with a personality disorder who thinks that he can bait me. Get your petulent butt back to the other thread and answer Ade's question.
           Your happy to hand out insults -- and what--run to moderater/admin when someone challenges you?
Why dont you answer the question? You hand out advice holding yourself out as an expert--in this specific case--I asked what your expertise actually is?  What do you actually know that is relevent?

Jay,

Tom is not insulting any one, he is quite sanguine with his thoughts. Further he has a partner from one of the Stans. I only have been around for a reality short period you can learn from the veterans. Some of the more senior members and they have seen and read allot of stuff are fairly relaxed.

Further I tend to doubt that Tom has been to Nikolayev ~ that you made a trip to there is great. Share your impressions and listen to the feed back.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 30, 2012, 01:28:11 AM

I got an idea of ​​Russian and Ukrainian girls with what I learned in Anastasia.
Back from my first trip to Nikolayev, all these ideas had changed.

Ekaterina. I spoke of it in the second and fourth letter I wrote here.
Helen. I spoke of it in my tenth letter.
Anastasia allowed her to generate another profile six months later with his own photos. (Except for the cover photo).
These three profiles and six more were being handled by the same person. A single artist pulled the strings of the puppets 9.
With this new point of view, I began to examine all the correspondence he had with Ekaterina and Helen.
I had no doubt. I was very sure that he had been cheated. And the scam was organized by an international company.

So I contacted the staff of Anastasia.
His only response was a question:
"You know that as these profiles are managed by the pampered person?"

They just deleted the profile repeated. No steps were taken and the 8 remaining profiles remained in force. I found that for a while these profiles were still open at different times and on different days.
But then, back to normal, followed by the same way.

This group of 8 profiles is still in force.
It has been over 2 years. I noticed that everyone arrested on April 12, 2012.
Probably this is a preamble to a decision to be taken. I have two alternatives:

a) Perhaps there has been a complaint from a customer. They are waiting a       while to dissipate the suitors who are writing these profiles. There may be a man madly in love. These can be dangerous.
Within days, these profiles will once again operational. Unlike the general procedure (rise or fall of the credits, on days 1 and 16 of each month), appropriations have been reduced, despite not having been operating for a month and a half.

b) These profiles can be eliminated if the performance artist who runs may jeopardize the image of Anastasia. After a while, can decide. In some cases open the profile to check the status of the letters that the suitors are sent. Just to see. No to answer the letters. This procedure is the same when a girl leaves the agency without voiding her profile. Before awarding this profile to another artist, let it sit a while ...

Greetings to all
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 31, 2012, 08:10:09 AM
Some of these scams are run by independent operators but I believe that most are run within the system. The good news is that the latter are very easy to detect, especially when "different" girls are writing precisely the same letters. Please bear in mind that the target demographic (and the greatest source of revenue) consists of imbeciles who will never travel. Given this, they have no motivation to change their method of doing business.

Even though there are normal girls to be found on AD, I suspect that one's odds would be better on a site such as bride.ru where direct contact information is available.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 31, 2012, 08:54:33 AM
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Please bear in mind that the target demographic (and the greatest source of revenue) consists of imbeciles who will never travel. Given this, they have no motivation to change their method of doing business.

Also these who WILL travel. Not any girl one write with he will meet. They don't check if someone is serious. Anyone is a fair game for them.

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Even though there are normal girls to be found on AD, I suspect that one's odds would be better on a site such as bride.ru where direct contact information is available.

Bride.ru is infested with scammers. Of course if someone developed immunity he won't be infected. It can be a good source of real women, unlike Anastasiadate. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on May 31, 2012, 11:05:03 AM

Professionally, my dedication is to software analyst.
I have no temptation to write a novel.

I was about to start my first trip to Ukraine.
I lived at that time with the hope of finding the girl of my dreams, with the help of Anastasia.
My plan was to go openly. I would meet six girls, and there take the final decision according to our mutual acceptance. This according to the advice of Anastasia.
In those days I received the communication of three other girls.
No wonder nothing, because that happened every day.
At this girl, I wrote them. They seemed serious.
With the answers to them, I raised the red flag.
I was in Nikolayev when I said only one of them.
I offered an appointment at the famous and central street of the city.
Sovetskaya Street. She did not accept the appointment, claiming she was in Odessa.
I proposed to commute to Odessa. It was useless.

Later, in Spain, I received many letters of the three girls.
The first and group leader, wrote to me 68 times.
The second girl did on 48 occasions. And the third girl he did 34 times. I did not answer any of them.
They three, and another girl were the second group controlled by the same artist.
Three of them were of Nikolayev. The other Odessa.
I presented my complaints to Anastasia. I also informed them that the four profiles were accessed on the same days and at a similar time.
Anastasia staff informed me that the four girls went to the agency at the same time to be assisted by an interpreter.
Remember that one was living in Odessa. It was possible that it will move to Odessa Nikolayev to be assisted by an interpreter.
Of the 150 letters sent by them and not answered, they said nothing.
Certainly from that time, they did not return to write more.

I was in Nikolayev and I decided to do a test.
Anastasia has a filter on the computer system. This is done automatically and erases the data that the agency does not want to be exchanged among the callers. All cards are filtered. Therefore, one can write in letters an address, telephone, mail or a skype.
I managed to cheat the system and that the girl was able to interpret my message.
I experimented with many girls he had earlier communication. Many girls.
I made the appropriate checks to verify that the street name, number, the date and time could be interpreted by the girls.
Indeed, the first letter I sent test, the information passed the filter and was interpreted by the recipient of the letter.
So I sent the same letter to all of them.
In the letter, put tempting reasons for a Ukrainian girl would accept my invitation,
(On the street, with the third part of the proposals, I had complete success.)
None of them accepted my proposals.
I felt defeated.
That was unavoidable.

The conversations I had with my brain Eugeni beat me.
He was right. "In Anastasia You will not find a woman. You search for it on the street. "

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on May 31, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
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In the letter, put tempting reasons for a Ukrainian girl would accept my invitation,
(On the street, with the third part of the proposals, I had complete success.)
None of them accepted my proposals.

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"In Anastasia You will not find a woman. You search for it on the street. "

So that means next time you go to Nikolayev to search for girls on the street(?)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on May 31, 2012, 06:58:14 PM
John,

The precise details of Anastasia's operation are irrelevant. What you should be focusing on is why you can't differentiate between a scammer and a sincere girl without elaborate testing. I suspect that you are relying too heavily on email correspondence and not enough on oral communication. The shortcoming of the former is that one misses the animation (or the lack of animation) in the human voice. Of course, it's nice to have a written record of lies but skillful operators are careful to be vague so that they have deniability. In this case, their vagueness is a tip-off that something is amiss.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 01, 2012, 01:19:06 AM
It depends if the aim of John's investigation is to find bride or just investigate. He should define the goal: find bride or buster Anastasia. Or maybe he finds bride when the second mission is accomplished.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on June 04, 2012, 09:44:51 AM
Hi Sharon,
 
You think that I have any chance of destroying Anastasia?
Now I am convinced that we can not do nothing to stop them continue to act well. In ruadventures there are several places where we talk about them.
They are opinions accusing them seriously, even criminal.
I think if it is so clear that they are committing fraudulent activities, why not have acted the prosecution or the American police?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on June 04, 2012, 09:51:47 AM
Hi Tom, 

You, here is a teacher. You have a lot of experience and feedback can always take a lesson.
I was surprised when you said I recounted the details are irrelevant. I imagine you already immunized the things you've heard of Anastasia.
Sometimes, the explanation of the details helps to understand better. You said it well written transmissions are important.
It's actually the only thing left. Sometimes I have been amazed when I reread something written above.
Some people have limited ability to express themselves. Not always what they say corresponds to its reality.
Here we say that the talk is taken by the wind.

 I would like to know your opinion of how Anastasia.

 - What linkages exist between Anastasia, Natasha club, Russian bride club and others that use the same database?
 - What legal and commercial relationship between Anastasia and local agencies of Russia, Ukrainian ..?
- Why not direct competition Anastasia attacks by these irregularities?
- You know some other types of business scams that practice is marriage agency?

 I will be happy to read your answers.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 04, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
The time that you spend pursuing Anastasia would be more productively spent searching for a serious girl. We already know that they are arguably the worst International Marriage Broker in the world; you don't need to convince us.

Yes, it's abundantly clear that there are financial ties between companies that share databases. In some cases, they have common ownership. It's also well-known that the large brokers make direct payments to their local affiliates. This is not anything new; agencies have been scamming their clients since day one. It's just much better organized now. The key is to find a strategy to get what you want out of them; anything else is a total failure.

I really prefer not to waste a lot of time dissecting their operation. Doing business with them is very risky for someone who can't tell the difference between a scam and a good opportunity; that's all that readers need to know.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on June 04, 2012, 09:58:07 AM
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We already know that they are arguably the worst International Marriage Broker in the world; you don't need to convince us.

Indeed
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Slumba on June 04, 2012, 12:58:07 PM
Anastasia is bad, next PowerPoint slide please!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 04, 2012, 01:37:59 PM
Summing it up:
When send expression of interest to a girl of 30 something on Elena's models, you get negative answer nine times out of ten (the tenth confuses with the buttons). But when you add 19 y.o. 20 something hot gorgeous girl to a contact list on Anastasia - you might get letter tomorrow. Would you like to read? :money: 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Slumba on June 04, 2012, 03:13:20 PM
Summing it up:
When send expression of interest to a girl of 30 something on Elena's models, you get negative answer nine times out of ten (the tenth confuses with the buttons). But when you add 19 y.o. 20 something hot gorgeous girl to a contact list on Anastasia - you might get letter tomorrow. Would you like to read? :money:

Very succinct, Sharon!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 04, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
Summing it up:
When send expression of interest to a girl of 30 something on Elena's models, you get negative answer nine times out of ten (the tenth confuses with the buttons). But when you add 19 y.o. 20 something hot gorgeous girl to a contact list on Anastasia - you might get letter tomorrow. Would you like to read? :money:

:money:   Oh come on you mean the 21 and 22 years did not contact you. Perhaps they learned ethics and morality. Praise the Lord! :money:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 04, 2012, 05:46:42 PM
The time that you spend pursuing Anastasia would be more productively spent searching for a serious girl. We already know that they are arguably the worst International Marriage Broker in the world; you don't need to convince us.

Yes, it's abundantly clear that there are financial ties between companies that share databases. In some cases, they have common ownership. It's also well-known that the large brokers make direct payments to their local affiliates. This is not anything new; agencies have been scamming their clients since day one. It's just much better organized now. The key is to find a strategy to get what you want out of them; anything else is a total failure.

I really prefer not to waste a lot of time dissecting their operation. Doing business with them is very risky for someone who can't tell the difference between a scam and a good opportunity; that's all that readers need to know.

Why have some of these American companies not been pursued through the court system in the US?It is clear that the representations made are flawed. Tom -you give good advice to individual that his time would be better spent trying to achieve his personal original aims--I think most come to that conclusion and lose interest in bigger picture issues.Have there been attempts to sue? Class action?
I also take note here of the connections and vested interests of many-- so I am sure that you will have views on this
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 04, 2012, 07:08:02 PM
Why have some of these American companies not been pursued through the court system in the US?It is clear that the representations made are flawed. Tom -you give good advice to individual that his time would be better spent trying to achieve his personal original aims--I think most come to that conclusion and lose interest in bigger picture issues.Have there been attempts to sue? Class action?
I also take note here of the connections and vested interests of many-- so I am sure that you will have views on this

The Terms of Service for International Marriage Broker sites are written by extremely competent attorneys and the damn fool clients don't read them. Yes, there have been attempts to bring suit and, predictably, they have failed miserably. When plaintiffs are whack-jobs who sue for things that they weren't promised and defendants have massive resources for litigation, what other outcome is possible?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 04, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
Why have some of these American companies not been pursued through the court system in the US?It is clear that the representations made are flawed. Tom -you give good advice to individual that his time would be better spent trying to achieve his personal original aims--I think most come to that conclusion and lose interest in bigger picture issues.Have there been attempts to sue? Class action?
I also take note here of the connections and vested interests of many-- so I am sure that you will have views on this

The Terms of Service for International Marriage Broker sites are written by extremely competent attorneys and the damn fool clients don't read them. Yes, there have been attempts to bring suit and, not surprisingly, they have failed miserably. Half of the reason is that the plaintiffs have been whack-jobs; the other half is that defendants have massive resources for litigation and are well prepared.

Tom is quite correct.

Further the amounts are usually small and those victimized are often "whack-jobs". Proving that they are victimized involves the women from the former Soviet Union to testify against an International Marriage Broker that uses a local agency in the region where the women is from.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: PBRstreetg on June 04, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
The key is to find a strategy to get what you want out of them;
 that's all that readers need to know.
'Nuff said'
 
Greetings to all

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 04, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
The Terms of Service for International Marriage Broker sites are written by extremely competent attorneys and the damn fool clients don't read them. Yes, there have been attempts to bring suit and, predictably, they have failed miserably. When plaintiffs are whack-jobs who sue for things that they weren't promised and defendants have massive resources for litigation, what other outcome is possible?

I think that as you make the presumption on here that many are "whack-jobs" when they arrive here with questions-- and in many cases you are probably correct.
Not all who go and lose their money irrationally are "whack'jobs"-- some choose to spend money on sites in good faith and belief-- so let us suppose someone can pass that non-wacko test.
Given that money is paid in good faith -- and the reality is what they think they are buying is often not as purported -why do they not have a cause of action?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 05, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
The Terms of Service for International Marriage Broker sites are written by extremely competent attorneys and the damn fool clients don't read them. Yes, there have been attempts to bring suit and, predictably, they have failed miserably. When plaintiffs are whack-jobs who sue for things that they weren't promised and defendants have massive resources for litigation, what other outcome is possible?

I think that as you make the presumption on here that many are "whack-jobs" when they arrive here with questions-- and in many cases you are probably correct.
Not all who go and lose their money irrationally are "whack'jobs"-- some choose to spend money on sites in good faith and belief-- so let us suppose someone can pass that non-wacko test.
Given that money is paid in good faith -- and the reality is what they think they are buying is often not as purported -why do they not have a cause of action?

JayH, The damage is usually done to one's self esteem ~ that is hard to monetize. Most men probably spend less than $200,= and I am confident that Anastasia can point to successes. AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 05, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
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I think that as you make the presumption on here that many are "whack-jobs" when they arrive here n?

JayH, The damage is usually done to one's self esteem ~ that is hard to monetize. Most men probably spend less than $200,= and I am confident that Anastasia can point to successes. AvHdB
Av -- I think that there are plenty who have spent north of $10,000 . It is very easy to spend more than $200 per week  or more-- so the sums are not trivial.I would guess a class action to recover outgoings would easily run into $millions fairly quickly--let alone the damages.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Slumba on June 05, 2012, 06:04:26 PM
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I think that as you make the presumption on here that many are "whack-jobs" when they arrive here n?

JayH, The damage is usually done to one's self esteem ~ that is hard to monetize. Most men probably spend less than $200,= and I am confident that Anastasia can point to successes. AvHdB
Av -- I think that there are plenty who have spent north of $10,000 . It is very easy to spend more than $200 per week  or more-- so the sums are not trivial.I would guess a class action to recover outgoings would easily run into $millions fairly quickly--let alone the damages.

No DA, politically motivated scum that they are, will do anything to protect men ... if you could somehow convince them that the stealing was related to something that hurt women, they might act...
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 05, 2012, 06:19:08 PM





 and I am confident that Anastasia can point to successes. AvHdB
[/quote]
Being able to point to a few success's would not diminish the larger misrepresentation
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 05, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
I think that as you make the presumption on here that many are "whack-jobs" when they arrive here with questions-- and in many cases you are probably correct.
Not all who go and lose their money irrationally are "whack'jobs"-- some choose to spend money on sites in good faith and belief-- so let us suppose someone can pass that non-wacko test.
Given that money is paid in good faith -- and the reality is what they think they are buying is often not as purported -why do they not have a cause of action?

If clients enter into a contract with a marriage broker for communication services, and they receive communication services, there is no cause of action.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 05, 2012, 06:30:02 PM


If clients enter into a contract with a marriage broker for communication services, and they receive communication services, there is no cause of action.
[/quote]

The extention to that is that the fundamental premis that induced the "client" to enter that agreement is
a misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 05, 2012, 07:41:57 PM
The extention to that is that the fundamental premise that induced the "client" to enter that agreement is
a misrepresentation.

Advertising puffery does not constitute a contract. If it did, everyone would be suing toothpaste companies because their teeth aren't white enough.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 05, 2012, 07:51:42 PM


Advertising puffery does not constitute a contract. If it did, everyone would be suing toothpaste


companies because their teeth aren't white enough.

Have there been court cases in relation to "dating" sites?

The web is full of complaining "clients"-- I an wondering if it has been put to the test.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 05, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
I am unaware of a successful suit.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 05, 2012, 11:50:32 PM
I am unaware of a successful suit.

Specific case- either way?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 06, 2012, 03:23:03 AM
JayH

While I am sympathetic to your claim (and feelings) I think you are going to spend several times the money for what ever funds you may eventually recoup a number of years further along. This is not factoring time and energy.

It might help if you read this thread > http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=5068.0  <

It will help make your postings clearer and easier to read.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 06, 2012, 04:59:30 AM
Av--it takes a while to see what happens here when trying to delete uneeded materilal.

My questions on this topic are to see if there is already factual information out there on this topic. The forums are full of guys complaining who have no idea what to do next.Individually--they are in a hiding to nothing-- collectively--I think another story .
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on June 06, 2012, 05:20:41 AM
More to the point is why guys continue to join sites like Anastasia,then pump their hard-earned cash into them.

Anybody only has to type the words" Anastasia scam" into google,and there is enough information there to warn any man what he's getting into.

There are a lot of deluded fools out there,that's for sure. :'(
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 06, 2012, 05:23:39 AM
Those deluded fools still have legal rights.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on June 06, 2012, 07:15:19 AM

It is clear that the complaint of an individual victim has little chance of success.
But the associations of many victims may have more strength.
Is there an association of victims of such abuses? 

I have a suspicion that I say aloud.
Anastasia has a financial relationship, at least, with the following companies: www.alena-marriage-agency.com,
www.aliceagency.com
www.bestdatingnow.com,
www.drivedating.com,
www.gofreedate.com,
www.lovessa.com,
www.marry-ukrainian-woman.com
www.my-russian-lady.com
www.natasha.com,
www.online-dating-*Unapproved Link*,
www.rupersonal.com,
www.russian brides.club.com.

My suspicion is that, allegedly, Anastasia has financial relationships with other companies engaged in sex drive.

Anyone know anything about this?

Greetings to all
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 06, 2012, 07:42:17 AM

Is there an association of victims of such abuses?


You mean a support group? I do not think so.


Anastasia has a financial relationship, at least, with the following companies: www.alena-marriage-agency.com,
www.aliceagency.com
www.bestdatingnow.com,
www.drivedating.com,
www.gofreedate.com,
www.lovessa.com,
www.marry-ukrainian-woman.com
www.my-russian-lady.com
www.natasha.com,
www.online-dating-*Unapproved Link*,
www.rupersonal.com,
www.russian brides.club.com.

My suspicion is that, allegedly, Anastasia has financial relationships with other companies engaged in sex drive.

Anyone know anything about this?

Greetings to all

Many of the larger agencies use multiple web names/identities to drive there business. There is nothing illegal. Perhaps I am wrong but all of the above are part of the 1st International group.

Another member here AndrewFi has a good working knowledge (although from a couple years back) of the socalled MOB industry. You could also contact Tharwe and see there opinions but there focus is quite different than what I gather you are thinking of.

To the mods why not merge this thread and the other together.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: daleigp on June 06, 2012, 10:32:01 AM
I would like to hear from members who would help me bring Anastasia to the attention of the Maine Attorney General. They should be indicted for fraud in my opinion. Several men need to band together to make this happen. Anyone interested?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 06, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
I would like to hear from members who would help me bring Anastasia to the attention of the Maine Attorney General. They should be indicted for fraud in my opinion. Several men need to band together to make this happen. Anyone interested?

Read their Terms of Service very carefully before you do anything that could place you at the wrong end of a countersuit.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on June 06, 2012, 11:30:41 AM
Tony Bochene,author of "The Foreign Bride guide ",and who worked for both Anastasia and AFA claims ( Mar 2012),that both companies are under investigation by six law-enforcement agencies.

The companies are under investigation for international conspiracy,racketeering,human trafficking,violation of foreign labour laws,tax evasion.

He fully expects people from these companies to be sent to prison.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 06, 2012, 11:45:05 AM
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 07, 2012, 06:07:38 AM
These companies have power because "clients" give them money to communicate with girls. The biggest weapon against them is knowledge and education of the public of potential "victims". If potential users would know in advance what it's already known they wouldn't buy services. I don't think legal action is needed. Only education, and make the information available to ignorant who might be seduced.

As for AFA, I placed there ad some months ago and since then I receive several letters in a day. When I checked what it's all about, what girls see in my ad, I discovered that I even didn't upload pictures!         
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 07, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
If one studies the women's profiles you will see many of the same "women" on both sites! Anastasia/1st International and AFA/Love Me. Write away!

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 07, 2012, 02:37:50 PM
Some girls appear on 20 different sites. Sometimes some details are different.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 07, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Some girls appear on 20 different sites. Sometimes some details are different.

It's very common for the most popular profiles to be pirated. Some guys have joined lots of sites to try to find the genuine object of their infatuation. Unfortunately, the owner of the original profile had sometimes long since been married and moved away.

I suppose that that's one advantage of video chat: at least you know that she hasn't moved away yet.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 07, 2012, 07:18:02 PM


I suppose that that's one advantage of video chat: at least you know that she hasn't moved away yet.

I have seen a video tape being run continuously. Using a variety of tapes and updated from time to time.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 07, 2012, 07:45:01 PM
One would hope that a guy could tell the difference between a live session and one that was prerecorded. If he can't, then it's probably for the best that he doesn't breed.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on June 07, 2012, 08:26:19 PM
She might not have moved away.

Doesn't mean that she isn't married,and just video chatting to earn some money.

The only real benefit of video chat,is that at least you can see if she looks like her photo's. (:)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 07, 2012, 08:32:19 PM
Doesn't mean that she isn't married and just video chatting to earn some money.

That's true.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 07, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
One would hope that a guy could tell the difference between a live session and one that was prerecorded. If he can't, then it's probably for the best that he doesn't breed.

I might get to understand your sense of humour yet!

It can take a while and repeat visits to be sure if it is recorded.
Some of the guys( and even some girls!!) doing chat can be very clever -it would be a mistake to underestimate them.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 08, 2012, 01:22:40 AM
Doesn't mean that she isn't married and just video chatting to earn some money.

That's true.

If the video chat is :money: - there gone the genuine material.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on June 26, 2012, 06:45:40 AM
Greetings ..

I returned from Ukraine. There the heat is unbearable.
Never been like this before.
I am very happy to have spent a few days with my love.

Now back to work
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 26, 2012, 06:49:23 AM
Greetings ..

I returned from Ukraine. There the heat is unbearable.
Never been like this before.
I am very happy to have spent a few days with my love.

Now back to work

And what happened?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 26, 2012, 07:06:50 AM
Felicidades John :)

Will you post trip report? 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 26, 2012, 07:36:00 AM
Is your love one of the girls whom you previously believed to be part of an Anastasia scam?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 26, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
Is your love one of the girls whom you previously believed to be part of an Anastasia scam?

Greetings ..

I returned from Ukraine. There the heat is unbearable.
Never been like this before.
I am very happy to have spent a few days with my love.

Now back to work


Yesterday was warm and about ten days ago it was low 30's but the rest of the time in Western Ukraine it was bearable. If you want the other extreme travel in January or February when there is a cold snap.

We would be curious to see you travel expeirences and how it went with your love.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 26, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
Is your love one of the girls whom you previously believed to be part of an Anastasia scam?

Greetings ..

I returned from Ukraine. There the heat is unbearable.
Never been like this before.
I am very happy to have spent a few days with my love.

Now back to work


Yesterday was warm and about ten days ago it was low 30's but the rest of the time in Western Ukraine it was bearable. If you want the other extreme travel in January or February when there is a cold snap.

We would be curious to see you travel expeirences and how it went with your love.

ASAP
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 26, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
Is your love one of the girls whom you previously believed to be part of an Anastasia scam?

That is precisely why it will be most interesting to see outcome.
Of all the sites Anastasia  is probably the easiest to verify the girl-- that she is real etc. It does not however-- do any more than that.It makes it all the more interesting to hear what did happen in this case.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on June 27, 2012, 03:16:55 AM
Is your love one of the girls whom you previously believed to be part of an Anastasia scam?

That is precisely why it will be most interesting to see outcome.
Of all the sites Anastasia  is probably the easiest to verify the girl-- that she is real etc. It does not however-- do any more than that.It makes it all the more interesting to hear what did happen in this case.

How would you do that? (without  :money: ?)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on June 27, 2012, 04:03:08 AM

How would you do that? (without  :money: ?)

Sharon just for you-- the comment refers to anyone using Anastasia.For all its faults it is easy to establish that their is a girl for the profile.On the site you can do live 2 way video chat,phone calls and sms as well as all the other ways the sites use generally.My comment is intended to convey that.
   It does not say she is genuine in expressing what she is really thinking--that is a different issue altogether.
  FWIW-- I can access if I choose to without spending a cent of my own-- and no--I will make no further comment on that.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 27, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
Telephone calls, emails, snail-mail letters and messaging all have one thing in common: they do not verify that one is communicating with the girl in the photos. Even video chat can be fraudulent in various ways. It may be prerecorded. Even if the girl is sitting in front of the webcam in real time, she might not be communicating with you any more than the weather girl on TV is communicating with you. For example, you could be communicating with a translator, not her. Even if she is communicating with you, she could be being paid to do so. This is not to say that the system has no value but it is hardly an acid test and is a very poor substitute for Skype.

If one is reasonably certain that he is, in fact, communicating with the girl in the photos, it is only one of many hurdles that he will have to negotiate before anything that resembles a real relationship is possible. Personally, I would never play video-chat roulette because I object to being given a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 04, 2012, 02:28:43 AM

Good morning,

I had heard a lot of Ukrainian girls.
My source of information was Louise. She immigrated to Spain in the 90's.
A woman born in Western Ukraine. Now 55 years.
Those conversations encouraged me in finding a Ukrainian girl.
All I heard it accomplished what I expect from my partner.
I started out to work. Unfortunately I crossed paths with the worst.
Anastasia has brought me the money and she has emotionally abused.
I've tried with many girls from there to achieve my dreams.
It was useless.
Only in one case, I believed at the time that the intentions of the girls were sincere. Now I have many doubts about the legitimacy of that case.

My girl is real. She is full-blooded Ukrainian.
She took me to meet her parents on the third day of meeting.
Soon, she wanted to meet my parents.
She does not like to frequent restaurants or nightclubs.
She did not want me to spend my money.
She wants me to eat and sleep at home to minimize my expenses.
When I return to Spain, I have to pay my overweight luggage. They come loaded with gifts she and her parents offered me and my family.
She is a motherly woman, who wants to have children.
She takes responsibility for the administration of our future home.
She is very jealous, and she loves me.
She has recently finished college and she wants to marry me as soon as possible.
She speaks English well enough.
She is very pretty.
What more could you want from your partner?

Anastasia and many are the plague for the man who sincerely seeks.

Here someone said: "The reason that there are men-clients in these agencies is the same by which the casinos are full of customers"
Probably he is right.

My last trip was as extraordinary as the first.
I have some things to tell the world of the sewer agency.
In another letter.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: PBRstreetg on July 04, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
John Hi
I'm glad to see it's coming together. Don't be a stranger  :popcorn:
 
She is a motherly woman, who wants to have children.
She takes responsibility for the administration of our future home.
She is very jealous, and she loves me.
She has recently finished college and she wants to marry me as soon as possible.
She speaks English well enough.
She is very pretty.
What more could you want from your partner?


Heady stuff. I agree 100%
Stay in comm buddy ;D
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 04, 2012, 02:53:40 AM
John read other comments made today about site.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 04, 2012, 05:48:59 AM
How did you meet your girl?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 05, 2012, 07:51:58 AM
Hola Sharon. Usted habla español?
Admiro el pueblo judío.

I will try to answer your question.

In Ukraine, making the first contact with a girl is extremely easy.
It is important to do so in the right place. And with whom.
Avoid the girls too early and modern.
And those you make it very easy.
The Ukrainian real easy to start contact.
The next step is when they testan your true interest.
They put evidence to prove that you really have interest in it. Never get tired of your stress. Never take it for your lost. Probably few of us can understand. Here, things are quite different.
I have known several girls on the bus, on the street, in a shop, in a park, in real life.
Clearly it is very important that you can talk to her in the same language.
Some of these beautiful girls speak English.
Do not get tired.
Looking mainly in small towns and villages.
That is the best of the best.
I have fled from Kiev, Odessa and other large cities and eastern Ukraine.
Ukrainian girls are such as we are told.
Girls who are different are running around the agencies.
Your skill is in avoiding the middleman.
Grab a backpack and a few Euros, and crosses Ukraine.
Do it for yourself.
It is much more exciting and real. Also much cheaper.
You do not worry about the accommodation and other amenities.
With a bit of money, everything can be solved in Ukraine.
In the vicinity of Lvov paid 20 Euros a room in a luxury hotel.
There were the Ukrainian selection of rugby.
You can eat for ten Euros a day.
The bus is the means of transport that I advise.
Very economical and reaches every corner. There do not deceive you.
Taxis charge foreigners from 3 to 4 times, or more, than they charge to the Ukrainians.
Generally, Ukrainians are very hospitable and friendly.
There are few who consider tourists as victims that they can suck up to infinity.
They consider us a little silly.
Is this really the philosophy with the agencies.
Finally and most importantly, you have to avoid intermediaries.
Never forget that there are millions of Ukrainians who earn 200 Euros per month or less.

My Ukrainian girl is real.

Greetings to all
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 05, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
Hola John

Si, hablo Español.

Gracias por compartir su experiencia.

Le deseo lo mejor con su amor :)   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 05, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
John,

Curious will your future wife learn Spanish and enter the work force, assuming the current crisis is resolved in your country?

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 06, 2012, 09:52:48 AM
Is Anastasiadate  a scam or for real?

I am not a frequenter of these sites, but once used loveme.com about 2 decades ago and got a satisfactory result (per my interest anyway - I wasn't looking when I stumbled on the site, it merely popped up in a search for Russian language software and I clicked it out curiousity. I was ready to leave the site and hadn't even waited for the last girl's profile to pop up when two words on her profile caught my attention "hunting" and "fishing". In that women who proclaim these as interests are rare and since it was only $5 back then to get her address, I decided what the hell and dropped a fiver to get the contact info. We wrote back and forth for 2 1/2 years until she eventually met a guy at college and we lost contact.
I occasionally poke my head into these sites and run a similar search specifically now for women with hunting and fishing interests, but only once  have ever requested another address and to that one attempt received no response so I haven't bothered again. The woman I wrote with 20 years ago recently found me again on facebook (I have looked for her off and on over the years with no luck, so I was glad she did) and we have resumed sharing our hunting interests and stories. (she is now happily married with a daughter)

This revived my curiousity and I poked my head into some of the current sites - loveme.com still is running and hasn't really changed much over the decades. But these are my impressions on Anastasia, and this comes from someone not only familiar at least somewhat with the history of these sites as a result of my experience, but I also develop websites, have been on the internet now for 25 years and have done some research since first seeing this posting a few days ago:

First off, it is obvious even to a casual observer that Anastasia uses a great deal of marketing. They have the best skinned and most developed website in this 'market'. As a result, there are some nice 'features' to the site that you won't find anywhere else such as the live chats and video features. One thing people will notice right away is the quality of women - this should make anyone suspect.
With a little searching on various Ukraine and Russian search sites and social networks, I was able to find a number of 'advertisements' directed at young women from Anastasia and their regional affiliates. These confirm some of the things people have mentioned in here. They do have 'contests' giving away fancy cars, and some of the regional affiliate marketing even promotes things like "you may receive gifts from American men!" as selling points. This means they are intentionally using the exploitation of gullible Americans and encouraging women who might otherwise not be interested in them to use the services and chat with the men.
Another quick observation is that they obviously use professional photographers to photograph the women. As one of the responders suggested, I created an account on vk.com and was able to use the 'birthdates' in conjunction with the women's names and cities to find the vk profiles of some of the women on Anastasia. This led me to look back at the 'pro' photos some more to realize not only are they professionally taken photos (not a big deal, it's smart and does the girls justice by making them look as good as they can) but the photos themselves are regularly photoshopped to improve how they look even further. I now see this in just about every photo I see since it has been brought to my attention. So there's a lot of 'fake' on top of the exploitative marketing.

I have started a few customer service conversations since reading some of the comments as well. It is true that they use very loose automated profiling on this site. When you first create an account and just about every time you update the search criteria in your profile, you will suddenly receive an onslaught of new messages. They are all generic and none of them will reference anything you put in your criteria directly. This is because they are not being sent by the women but are instead a letter the women are told to write and keep on the Anastasia system. The message is then sent to any men signing on that even loosely meet their selection criteria. i.e. they blow sunshine up your ass so you feel like there are a whole bunch of women interested in you as soon as you sign on.
As if this is not bad enough, they do the same thing for the women 'you' might try to contact. The women are also asked to keep a generic 'response' on file such that if you send an inquiry to a woman, they then appear to do a slightly more restrictive matching to your profile and will either send you a "the woman is not interested" response or will send you yet another 'form' response to make it look like the woman responded to you very quickly. There may be a personalized comment or two at the top as well and it is my suspicion that these are not written by the woman in question either, but framed based on the information they have on file about her by one of the regional office representatives. (this is unsubstantiated and strictly my own suspicion)

Then of course there is the 'chat' thing - this is annoying as all crap! I have sent at least three messages complaining about it to them and they are now past responding and simply say "we have forwarded your comments to our development team" - whether you want them or not, any time you are on their site these little 'chat request' things pop up in the corner. They all include generic, cutsey little messages. They are no doubt the 'contest chasers' trying to win the promotional items. They are obviously no more interested in you than any other young, 18 something in the states would be interested in some fugly 40-50 something. They just want to wrack up points toward a car. But you can't turn them off - you can only block them one person at a time - and I'm not even sure the blocking does in fact block anything. There are so many it's hard to tell but I swear some have shown back up again even after my blocking them. I even tried putting in all capitols in all three of the places on the profile that allow you to free-form type 'I AM NOT INTERESTED IN LITTLE GIRLS - 29 AND OVER ONLY!!!!' and I still get about four to five chat requests per minute from 18-25 year old little girls.

There are also a great many complaint sites as well as sites listing women to avoid. I have no doubt that beyond the 'prize' chasers and the 'gift' exploiters, there are likely a fair share of women either hocking pay-porno websites or even prostitution.

This is definitely a 'caveat emptor' scenario. I have no doubt there are probably a few legitimate women on these websites, but chances are if something looks 'too good to be true', it probably is. I seriously doubt if you are the typical 30+ male of average looks that you can expect to find a supermodel by going to a random russian website and forking over large sums of money to pay for messages and chat services.
I am attempting at the moment to see if a particular woman is interested in initially writing with no promises. I chose her profile based on the fact it was one of the 'less flashy' and more 'down to earth' looking women on the website. i.e. she looks more 'real' and, unlike so many of the other profiles on there, does not look like she is 'trying to hard' to get contacts for whatever reason.
To be honest, I had no intention of paying money into this site, but they offered me 20 free credits on my birthday after I signed up a few months ago to poke around (after my prior friend found me on facebook). So I used the 20 credits to send to queries to two of the more 'down to earth' profiles on my list. One got the half-generic response, the other a "woman is not interested" response.
I'll touch base again as I see what results. I received one message so far in response, but as eluded to earlier, I suspect this was an automated, or at least partially automated response. (it was still a tad generic despite addressing - somewhat - some of the comments I made in my first message. I say somewhat because it was still kind of like someone was writing it from a 'form' or script) As of this time, it said yesterday that she finally read my second, longer letter and we'll see if that results in a response.

Tre`
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 06, 2012, 08:44:01 PM

marriageagencyscams.com

I just discovered tonight.
The promoter is Jim. It is very interesting.

What do you think of it?


Treii28,

You think Anastasia is automated?

When I opened my profile on Anastasia, I did not put any pictures.
Three months later, the day a girl asked me, I added 4 pictures.
When I did were the 19 in the afternoon.
From the next day at 9 am to 6 pm there was a bombing on my computer.
I have received on that day, 1468 posts, and 967 smiles.

Is automated?

Greetings.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 06, 2012, 10:12:45 PM
At the best it is mostly unbelievable. Initial responses are definitely automated .
As for Jim-- I think he came to a sticky end--others can elaborate I am sure.
Most of the reality about Anastasia is idscussed here and elsewhere--it should be noted that much of the same comment applies to many other sites.
The quality of girls on Anastasia is a result of cherry picking- at all levels.Not quite so outstanding get to be on other sites.The free sites have the worst girls !! ( just joking)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2012, 01:11:17 AM
Tre,

Welcome to RUA!

A good assessment and it is reassuring that some one can figure out Anastasia before starting.

There are in fact real women on Anastasia, but they usually look out of place next to the slicked up profiles. One key is low response rate and two and even more pleasant a low cost to read a letter.

From an affiliate of Anastasia the break even to read and send a message is around $5,00.

One thing that has changed the game fundamentally (from a Mom and Pop sort of enterprise) to what it is today is the IMBRA legislation. Bear that in mind from your experience 20 odd years ago.

AvHdB

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on July 07, 2012, 09:11:37 AM
trei,

It's funny that you mention it. In the old days, the girls didn't look like their photographs because they were taken ten years and ten kilos ago. Now, they (if they show up at all) don't look like their photographs because they were taken professionally, made up professionally and Photoshopped beyond recognition. Ain't progress grand?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 07, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
You think Anastasia is automated?

Customer service admitted as much in their first reply to my comment on the annoying chats and generic messages. The initial messages that are marked 'free' are sent autonomously if your profile matches their's. My guess is that the women probably had something 'requiring photograph' and it triggered the whole new batch of automated letters.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 07, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
trei,
Ain't progress grand?

Hahaha, I logged into my loveme.com account. I'm amazed it's still there. It's been like 10 years or more since I logged into it. Apparently they are doing automated message too and now include Columbian, Asian and African women. I had something like 3000 messages! hahaah
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on July 07, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
I'll bet that you saw a few familiar faces...
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 07, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
Prime example - the 'adds' I saw the other day were ones posted by the regional affiliates - thus it could technically not be the direct fault of Anastasia and could be rogue, unethical affiliates. I have as of yet to find anything concrete on the contests and the 'promises of gifts' were on a couple regional postings soliciting young women.

But, with that said, Anastasia runs a website promoting people wanting to start such local affiliates and includes a page dedicated to 'success' stories. If you don't have chrome or a similar browser capable of auto-translating, just run the url through google translate or babelfish if you are unfamiliar with the russian:

http://www.anastasiasagency.com/history.aspx

Note, only one of the 'testimonials' even mentions getting people married and that's only figuratively. Not one mentions having actually had any successes in getting anyone married (I'd think this would be a big thing to mention in a 'testimonial' for a company allegedly dedicated to helping men find russian brides and russian women find foreign husbands). Yet at least two of the testimonials do mention how their clients have received 'gifts' and 'attention from foreign men'.

Yeah....
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 07, 2012, 07:57:42 PM
Some examples of what I am talking about:

<<Chilling Love>> Moscow:
Моим клиенткам стали присылать подарки
(my clients were sent gifts)

<< Amor Amor >> Odessa:
Они были так счастливы, получать письма, подарки, да попросту, внимание от иностранных мужчин.
They were happy to receive letters and gifts and simply the attention of foreign men.

«Infinity», Kiev is the only one that mentions clients getting married, but it is in a list and does not state anything specific - it seems a scripted response:
наши клиентки успешно общаются с мужчинами, строят отношения и выходят замуж.
our clients successfully communicate with men, build relationships and get married.

«Sweet-marrige», Kharkov and «Happy Together», Kiev both somehow magically include exactly the same sentence claiming:
1st: Благодаря совместным усилиям в этом году 2 пары нашли друг друга и планируют свадьбу.
2nd: Благодаря совместным усилиям в этом году 2 пары нашли друг друга и планируют свадьбу.
Thanks to the joint efforts of this year 2 couples found each other and plan a wedding.

uuh yeah
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Sebastian77 on July 09, 2012, 04:32:44 AM
crazy how many men get caught out by this.... I did
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on July 09, 2012, 04:39:45 AM
crazy how many men get caught out by this.... I did

Anastasia claim to have 1,200 agency affiliates and they process 600k letters per day, that's 219m a year. There's a lot a crazy men about it seems.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 10, 2012, 10:45:00 AM
I'm about to revise my opinion of this website from 'some substance' to out-and-out sham. As I mentioned, I sent a couple of messages because they gave me 20 free credits. I decided I could 'afford to lose' $30 to settle my curiousity so I bought 40 more. In my most recent letter I stated that I was dissatisfied with anastasia and would soon no longer be using it. I gave some more personal details but did not include a single email or url. I referenced a number of things that are useful if anyone wanted to find me on the internet (as I work in computers and have been on the net for over 20 years - i am not hard to find with even basic searches)
The letter I received in response was very short and claimed that the letter she received was essentially hacked to bits by censors rivaling the former KGB and she was given no useful information with which to find me outside of anastasia. I have emailed their customer service outraged and asked to see an actual copy of what the woman received. (I have not as of yet received a response to that request)
Furthermore, before even sending the first message I inquired with customer service as to what is allowed, and they of course said no emails and no urls which I understood but told me it was ok to send a postal address. So my postal address was included in my first message as well as the most recent one. (mind you the woman said she received nothing that would allow her to contact me outside of the web service, but of course says she would be very disappointed if we couldn't continue conversing to get to know one another)
This leads me to only a few possible conclusions:
1) this girl is dumb as a post (which I doubt) and doesn't know how to google
2) they did in fact hack the crap out of the message to remove any possible clue that would allow her to contact me (including the postal address that they said was allowable)
3) anastasia saw the critical comments and answered the message themselves and never even sent it to the woman
4) the woman in the pictures has never responded at all and all of the responses are directly from anastasia

My current suspicions are a combination of 2, 3 and 4
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on July 10, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
You might ask if she ever considered joining freepersonals.ru and see if that gets you anywhere. I doubt it but it's worth a try. Let's face it; if the girl in the photos isn't available, they have to cover it up by any means necessary.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 10, 2012, 03:18:30 PM

marriageagencyscams.com

I just discovered tonight.
The promoter is Jim. It is very interesting.

What do you think of it?


And you have searched how long and have so much advice for the members here?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 11, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
I'm about to revise my opinion of this website from 'some substance' to out-and-out sham.

Anastasia is a business, and most of the women are just working to make money talking to guys.
All the women on the site really exist. A passport must be shown to signup. Whether they are working or a terp is doing the talking is another story. There are legitimate women on the site. My wife has friends on the site really searching. The problem is that guys are not writing to the legitimate women. They are writing to the paid models.

I gave some more personal details but did not include a single email or url. I referenced a number of things that are useful if anyone wanted to find me on the internet (as I work in computers and have been on the net for over 20 years - i am not hard to find with even basic searches)
The letter I received in response was very short and claimed that the letter she received was essentially hacked to bits by censors rivaling the former KGB and she was given no useful information with which to find me outside of anastasia.

No personal info is allowed to be passed via the site. Anastasia strips out any info which would allow you to contact the women outside the site. If you talk to the woman on chat and she is really the woman (video chat maybe?) and she is honestly interested you can pass info carefully. Enter a cell number one digit per line, etc. Most women do not want to talk to you outside the site because they make no money.

1) this girl is dumb as a post (which I doubt) and doesn't know how to google
2) they did in fact hack the crap out of the message to remove any possible clue that would allow her to contact me (including the postal address that they said was allowable)
3) anastasia saw the critical comments and answered the message themselves and never even sent it to the woman
4) the woman in the pictures has never responded at all and all of the responses are directly from anastasia

1. Possibly, but I find it hard to believe. These women are much smarter than most realize.
2. This is 100% certain. Any info is removed.
3. Anastasia strips any info. The womans interpreter may have replied, or the agency owner, OR she is just not into you.
4. Very possibly. But not from Anastasia. From her agency or interpreter.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 11, 2012, 09:09:26 AM
Sasha pretty much describes the reality accurately.

There are real & honest women on the site. But guys do not have a tuned in enough sense to know how is legit.

There are few reasons to use this site if you understand the ins and outs (mostly outs from your wallet) to use 1st International/Anastasia.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 11, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
There are real & honest women on the site. But guys do not have a tuned in enough sense to know how is legit.

There are few reasons to use this site if you understand the ins and outs (mostly outs from your wallet) to use 1st International/Anastasia.

And when you do get her personal info and fly over the soaking really begins.  Many times the woman just wants you to take her shopping or pay for her cell phone bill, or go out on your dime. The woman may not be a bad person but has been conditioned to guys spending vast amounts of money on her. There are men who fly over with 10k dollar fur coats (for multiple women). The women who want to can travel all over the world and are pampered in luxury. Is this what you want to compete with or get yourself into?

It can be done. But do yourselves a favor guys and go another route.
There are so many other ways to find her.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 11, 2012, 09:34:30 AM
There are real & honest women on the site. But guys do not have a tuned in enough sense to know how is legit.

There are few reasons to use this site if you understand the ins and outs (mostly outs from your wallet) to use 1st International/Anastasia.

And when you do get her personal info and fly over the soaking really begins.  Many times the woman just wants you to take her shopping or pay for her cell phone bill, or go out on your dime. The woman may not be a bad person but has been conditioned to guys spending vast amounts of money on her. There are men who fly over with 10k dollar fur coats (for multiple women). The women who want to can travel all over the world and are pampered in luxury. Is this what you want to compete with or get yourself into?

It can be done. But do yourselves a favor guys and go another route.
There are so many other ways to find her.

The problem is that honest women and agencies also get sucked into this world. But Sacha has said correctly work with a different agency or approach.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 15, 2012, 02:39:31 AM
Hello AvHdB.

You can not imagine the ease with which the Ukrainians to speak Spanish, when they put interest.
It is not necessary for my girl begins to work in Spain.
Only depends on the desire for it to do so.
And if she wants, she can start working tomorrow.
However, Spain is a great country. Here we will be able to lift the economy.
You will see shortly.

You know who's playing better football in the world?

I am aware of the limitations of my information.
I do not like giving advice.
I prefer to have my experiences and each draw their conclusions.
Every morning I wake up I wonder, "What new thing I learn today?"




ANASTASIA has offices in Ukraine.
People working in those offices of American nationality.
Complaints generated by Western customers come to the staff.
That is done coordination with local agencies.
I ask: "There is no form of accountability to the company 1st International?"


Saludos.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 15, 2012, 03:37:30 AM
Hello AvHdB.




I ask: "There is no form of accountability to the company 1st International?"


Saludos.

The affairs of these companies are arranged to thwart   any litigation
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 15, 2012, 04:01:26 AM
I do not like giving advice.
I prefer to have my experiences and each draw their conclusions.
Every morning I wake up I wonder, "What new thing I learn today?"

Saludos.

John

Writing your own experience would be the best advice!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 16, 2012, 03:18:26 AM
Some time ago I was in an apartment in Kiev.

In the basement of the city center there are hundreds of shops of all kinds. They are open to the corridors and are only separated by a partition between them. Walking can see everything that happens in those stores.
For a while I like to go through those places.
One night I saw a Ukrainian girl, blonde, accompanied by a man.
He was Anglo-Saxon, more than 45 years. He gave me the feeling that this was a man from Ukraine looking girl.
They were in a women's clothing store. He paid her dresses, shirts, underwear and other items worth more than a thousand pounds in cash.
The next morning, Monday, I went in front of that clothing store.
She was the blonde girl the day before, talking to a person in charge of the store. Were calculated on a paper and she received a local paper money, from the hand of the clerk.
That was the commission that it was for the purchase of the Englishman.

In the same store a few days later I saw another victim plucked.

Thousands of petty corruption in that style are practiced with foreign men.
I think some are started out of necessity. Then it becomes a way of life.

I have to say that this is not the prototype of the Ukrainian woman.
Are right who say that Ukrainian women are extraordinary.
That legend ANASTASIA some as profit.
They are doing great harm to these good people.

Regards
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 16, 2012, 07:43:37 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 16, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 16, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on July 16, 2012, 11:21:35 AM
If so many idiotic foreign men didn't go to Ukraine in the mistaken belief they can buy a girls love/affection,then there would be no prodaters/scammers.  :money:

It's these men that have created the situation in Ukraine among dishonest agency girls,as they have in other parts of the world,such as latin America.

They think their money can buy them anything they want,including any 19 year old blonde Ukrainian hottie that catches their fancy.

These kind of guys deserve to get fleeced IMO.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 16, 2012, 12:28:08 PM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

 :o Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 16, 2012, 12:39:43 PM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

 :o Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 16, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

 :o Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?

Sharon, men have option to fulfill those basic needs dreams in their own country, still they choose to look elsewhere and many amongst them make that choice because they would like to exploit youth and beauty of the girls on financial disparity. Not all guys like that but also not all women are scammers.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 16, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: missAmeno link=topic=15935.msg274550#msg274550 [/quote
Sharon, men have option to fulfill those basic needs dreams in their own country, still they choose to look elsewhere and many amongst them make that choice because they would like to exploit youth and beauty of the girls on financial disparity. Not all guys like that but also not all women are scammers.

Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  :money:. Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Tom Cat on July 16, 2012, 03:25:41 PM

Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  :money:. Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?

I will never understand how any man could read the hype from these sites, and believe all to be true?
Anastasia offers to you the possibility to communicate with women, from there it is up to you to make a wise choice.
I can say I had very good results using them, and I can say I made a few poor choices and the results were not as I had hoped.
From the very beginning, you can take control of your communications, by asking straight forward questions.
I have found almost 100% of the time if you are honest with your expectations and express to these ladies what you are looking for they will be honest with you.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 16, 2012, 03:38:31 PM
Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  :money:. Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?

How do you know what kind of gal she is? How do you know for sure she have been fleecing that guy? How do you know he is not her boyfriend/husband/lover? How do you know goods been bought for personal use and not for some project? How can anyone be sure she returned to shop next day for the commission and not returned some unwanted/faulty goods? And why some guys jump to conclusion girl is fleecing if guy pays? Do you know that some guys offer to pay for many things for girls without expectation of sexual closeness?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on July 16, 2012, 05:10:10 PM
missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop. (:)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 16, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop. (:)

John's example may be flawed( as missA says) -- but the principle remains-- this example and others like it do happen.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 16, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop. (:)

But wasnt stated it was by the same girl either. How much one need to stay in front of a women's clothing store to see someone buying something (knowing exactly how much they paid) then see same person next day to come back for the commission (knowing exactly it was the commission), and then few days later see similar story?

Specially a women's clothing store that sells underwear?  :evilgrin0002:  :innocent: 
And do you think guys buy underwear to girl if they just hope to have her close or actually when they both enjoy the closeness?  :chuckle:

People have ability to see what they want to see if they really want it. My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.


Edit: one more question   ;D : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 16, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.


Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 17, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.


Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!

What does Welsh sound like with a Russian accent?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 17, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!

My son understands and speaks a bit Welsh so that would not frighten him.


What does Welsh sound like with a Russian accent?

My Welsh limited to Bore da, Nos da, Cariad and Diolch  :chuckle:

But what is really scary that my english starting to get welsh accent  :'(
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: NS1 on July 17, 2012, 08:34:45 AM
MissA careful, something tells me the Welsh accent is not near as sexy as the Russian one :nod:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 08:48:46 AM
Edit: one more question   ;D : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?

Maybe she wanted to keep the clothes?  :)

My wife worked for a large agency and although never took part of this type of thing has many stories about her coworkers. Not sure this was the case mentioned above as we do not have proof but it is a very common thing. Couple examples below -

When men would send the women perfume they were obligated to show pictures receiving the gift.
The agency would always have an empty box of the perfume on hand for the photo. The agency and girl would split the inflated cost of the perfume and walk away with cash.

Flowers. Girls would just walk over to florist and snap a photo holding a bunch of roses and money would go into their pocket instead. Or one bunch of roses would work for 20 women at the agency that day.

Clothing. Women have deals with certain stores and receive kickbacks or return the dresses to split the profit with the store owner.

Restaurants give kickbacks and incentives to the women and terps for using their establishments.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 09:13:38 AM
My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 09:34:56 AM
My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?

I never asked my wife the name of the agency but will find out. It is one of the largest in Odessa that feeds into Anastasia. I do not think they even have a website. They just make profit from the affiliate revenue.

I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?

I never asked my wife the name of the agency but will find out. It is one of the largest in Odessa that feeds into Anastasia. I do not think they even have a website. They just make profit from the affiliate revenue.

I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.

Your wife's knowledge can be a great beneficial for wife seekers overseas :nod: keep posting :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 17, 2012, 09:46:42 AM
I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.

Sascha,

While I am not sure it will help the helpless it would be interesting to hear your wife's observations as well as opinions.

Perhaps you can convince her to post them. Maybe with a request of no comment just her observations of foreign guys in Odessa.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 10:00:56 AM
While I am not sure it will help the helpless it would be interesting to hear your wife's observations as well as opinions.

Perhaps you can convince her to post them. Maybe with a request of no comment just her observations of foreign guys in Odessa.


She is not so much into forum discussions and like most Ukrainian women prefers to keep her privacy but I can ask her questions and have some knowledge from our conversations.

Foreign guys in Odessa... Not very good observations about most men that come to Odessa.
My wife actually grew to dislike Americans until she met me I am told.

Most of the issues with the guys boil down to unrealistic expectations and character flaws.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 17, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Edit: one more question   ;D : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?

Maybe she wanted to keep the clothes?  :)

My wife worked for a large agency and although never took part of this type of thing has many stories about her coworkers. Not sure this was the case mentioned above as we do not have proof but it is a very common thing. Couple examples below -

When men would send the women perfume they were obligated to show pictures receiving the gift.
The agency would always have an empty box of the perfume on hand for the photo. The agency and girl would split the inflated cost of the perfume and walk away with cash.

Flowers. Girls would just walk over to florist and snap a photo holding a bunch of roses and money would go into their pocket instead. Or one bunch of roses would work for 20 women at the agency that day.

Clothing. Women have deals with certain stores and receive kickbacks or return the dresses to split the profit with the store owner.

Restaurants give kickbacks and incentives to the women and terps for using their establishments.

Sasha, of course many agencies and many girls scamming guys. But what guys expect? Warm welcome and gratitude for their attention? 95% of guys never get on the plane. Are they any better from girls scammers? Those guys scamm girls time and emotions. How many from them dont have intentions to visit FSU in 1st place? How many from them married?
Now those 5% who get on plane still include sex tourists, "damaged" and all sorts of controlling freaks. Lets assume its 50/50. So its 2.5% of decent guys with serious intentions who go to FSU to find a wife.

Anyone would like to give guesstimate how many decent honest FSU girls with serious intentions looking for western husband? I doubt its 2.5% or even close to such low percent. So in the big picture who is getting scammed more?



As of shops/restaurants ... its almost like loyalty cards in western countries ... just instead of discounts and points you get cash rewards  ;D
Western style with FSU interpretation  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 17, 2012, 10:19:08 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine?  :-\

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 10:24:09 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine?  :-\

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13031.msg187253#msg187253
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 10:38:46 AM
Sasha, of course many agencies and many girls scamming guys. But what guys expect? Warm welcome and gratitude for their attention?
I think guys (and women) should at least have a fighting chance at finding someone. A little honesty from all sides would be nice.

95%  of guys never get on the plane. Are they any better from girls scammers? Those guys scamm girls time and emotions. How many from them dont have intentions to visit FSU in 1st place? How many from them married?
So many unique situations. A guy who loses his parents to cancer and can no longer afford to visit a woman in my book is better than a woman who is married and making money chatting while waiting for him to come and buy her $600 shoes. A man who is married (and there are MANY of these) getting his rocks off while wasting an honest woman's time is obviously in the wrong. There are many people who lose in this endeavor unfortunately.

Now those 5% who get on plane still include sex tourists, "damaged" and all sorts of controlling freaks. Lets assume its 50/50. So its 2.5% of decent guys with serious intentions who go to FSU to find a wife.

I think you are giving way too much credit to the guys on this one ;)

Anyone would like to give guesstimate how many decent honest FSU girls with serious intentions looking for western husband? I doubt its 2.5% or even close to such low percent. So in the big picture who is getting scammed more?

I would say that the number of honest, good women far exceeds the number of eligible men looking that actually visit. I have no hard facts, but from what I am told it appears that way to me. My wife had good looking clients with good professions that never had a man visit them.

Who is getting scammed more? Not sure to be honest. We could argue until we turn blue.
What constitutes a scam? Writing fake love letters? Promising multiple women marriage to dump all but one in the end? Shopping sprees on the guy's dime? Marrying someone to escape issues?

My wife was accused of scamming a guy at one point. The woman the guy gave an engagement ring to (first trip to Ukraine) decided not to marry him and since my wife was the translator both women were scamming him of course. She was fined and had a hard time paying bills because one guy could not take the rejection.

As of shops/restaurants ... its almost like loyalty cards in western countries ... just instead of discounts and points you get cash rewards  ;D
Western style with FSU interpretation  :biggrin:

Yea, the restaurant benefits is not such a big deal, I agree.  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on July 17, 2012, 10:39:38 AM
The men are getting scammed more..end of.

As for sex tourists.Are these few agency girls that do sleep with foreign men being raped ?

I think not.

In any event few of these agency girls do sleep with their foreign visitors.Their interpreters/chaperones make sure of that.

The girls that do choose to sleep with these men, they also choose to sleep with local men.?
Women enjoy having sex just as much as men,last i heard.
Does that make the girl a prostitute if she accepts gifts from the man ?
If not,then it doesn't make the man a sex tourist either.

I very much doubt these are  virginal angels being deflowered.

There are plenty of decent guys going to Ukraine and getting scammed,who are not looking for sex,but looking for their future wife.
Do they have unrealistic expectations ? They may well have,but that's because of all the BS and misleading from these Ukrainian agencies and their girls.

I've already mentioned about the idiots who try and buy a girls affection,and i have no sympathy for them,but's let not tar all the men with the same brush eh ?

Actually i do think a girl should give a warm welcome to a man who has undertaken the time,emotion and expense of going to meet the siren who has lured him there.
And i'm not talking about her having sex with him either.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 17, 2012, 10:45:30 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine?  :-\

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13031.msg187253#msg187253

Oh you are a sex-tourist. Sorry sometimes I am too slow to understand hints, now its more clear.  tiphat
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine?  :-\

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13031.msg187253#msg187253

Oh you are a sex-tourist. Sorry sometimes I am too slow to understand hints, now its more clear.  tiphat

That is your conclusion :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 12:24:37 PM
From those (5%) guys who write with gals and get on plane, if one writes with more than one (WMVO, WMVM approach) he won't visit all of his correspondents. Most of them will be "dumped" (and vice verse - will dump him)  and that adds to the statistic of "not visit". And those who visit and meet one or more girls - what are their chances of success?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on July 17, 2012, 12:29:06 PM
From those (5%) guys who write with gals and get on plane, if one writes with more than one (WMVO, WMVM approach) he won't visit all of his correspondents. Most of them will be "dumped" (and vice verse - will dump him)  and that adds to the statistic of "not visit". And those who visit and meet one or more girls - what are their chances of success?

The same as the scammers.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
And those who visit and meet one or more girls - what are their chances of success?

I don't think there is a way to determine these numbers. My wife is not aware of any successful stories from any of the meetings where she acted as an interpreter while we dated. I would guess the number of meetings to be well over a hundred in about two years. Keep in mind this is one of Anastasia's affiliates so the outcome for guys using other services may have been better.

Several women at her agency did find guys, and some of those women were actually the interpreters.
She has friends and we have met couples here in the US who have been successful.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
And those who visit and meet one or more girls - what are their chances of success?

I don't think there is a way to determine these numbers. My wife is not aware of any successful stories from any of the meetings where she acted as an interpreter while we dated. I would guess the number of meetings to be well over a hundred in about two years. Keep in mind this is one of Anastasia's affiliates so the outcome for guys using other services may have been better.

Several women at her agency did find guys, and some of those women were actually the interpreters.
She has friends and we have met couples here in the US who have been successful.

Sometimes it seems the interpreters is more desirable species than the potential spouse they come to translate for.

Sasha

You should tell your wife that her knowledge can save the man kind ;)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 17, 2012, 01:23:52 PM
Sometimes it seems the interpreters is more desirable species than the potential spouse they come to translate for.

You should tell your wife that her knowledge can save the man kind ;)

There is an ongoing joke in the agency that the interpreters have the most success in finding a partner.

Not sure about saving mankind, but if we can help just a couple people by sharing our experience it is well worth it.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on July 17, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
Sometimes it seems the interpreters is more desirable species than the potential spouse they come to translate for.

You should tell your wife that her knowledge can save the man kind ;)

There is an ongoing joke in the agency that the interpreters have the most success in finding a partner.

Not sure about saving mankind, but if we can help just a couple people by sharing our experience it is well worth it.

Completely understandable; there is a huge advantage to being able to communicate with a guy directly.  That's why Elena's Models gives girls so many points for being able to speak various other languages in its formula for predicting a girl's success in this search (see TooTallBill's thread "do you ever wonder what they tell the girls").
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 17, 2012, 01:49:49 PM
Sometimes it seems the interpreters is more desirable species than the potential spouse they come to translate for.

You should tell your wife that her knowledge can save the man kind ;)

There is an ongoing joke in the agency that the interpreters have the most success in finding a partner.

Not sure about saving mankind, but if we can help just a couple people by sharing our experience it is well worth it.

Completely understandable; there is a huge advantage to being able to communicate with a guy directly.  That's why Elena's Models gives girls so many points for being able to speak various other languages in its formula for predicting a girl's success in this search (see TooTallBill's thread "do you ever wonder what they tell the girls").

Assuming you mean to this:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13601.msg194721#msg194721
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 19, 2012, 03:29:14 AM
I was slightly fooled going in but not really. I wrote the first two messages simply because they gave me free credits. When the girl responded, I popped for $30 worth of credits just to see if it was legit. I saved the credits specifically to write to her, but did write one other woman that was the only one out of the literally hundreds of messages coming into my mailbox that was obviously not an automated response of an 'on-file' letter. (as in she actually addressed multiple items in my profile personally).
Her response also mentioned (or claimed) that the letter was edited considerably to remove any clues from the non-contact information keywords I suggested she could use if she desired to chat with me further as I intended to stop using the service when those credits ran out and would likely not even read, no less reply to any response she might send later. Mind you, the other woman I wrote also told me that the reason she didn't respond right away was because she had to translate the letter herself - this was something I thought I was paying to have done for her.

By that point in time, I had read more in this forum and found vk.com and a couple of other local resources in Ukraine and other such places. My initial intention was just to find another penpal like I had gotten 20 years ago off loveme.com. Now it was just about figuring out how dirty anastasia's gameplan really was. I figured out rather quickly that with my knowledge of the internet, I was able to find about 9 out of every 10 women with simple to more complex searches on either vk.com or google.ua, etc. Using the cyrillic/Russian/Ukrainian spellings of their first name, city and age or birthdate, about half of the women on Anastasia can be found on vk.com. For the rest that seemed 'more real' from the 'free' introductory (automated) messages I was receiving, I was able to use additional clues from their letters to find them with google searches or on other topic specific sites.
I picked about a dozen of the women that seemed more 'real' that sent me the free letters and responded to them since it was also free. I kept things generic and introductory, saying that their letter interested me but also pointing out that I might not be using the service for long and would try to read their letters but no promises. (I had no intention of reading them on Anastasia mind you) I also stated that I may be closing the account and hinted that I would only be interested in chatting off the service longer term - and to not respond at all if this was not OK with them. I made sure to add this specifically to the end of each letter.

I kept the account open for a few more weeks to see which ones replied, but again, didn't pay to read the letters. Each one that I replied to was one that I was able to find a real-world profile for either on vk.com or facebook or find a current email address for from some other source. When I finally closed the account, I sent emails or vk/facebook messages to every one of them in both English and Russian telling them only that I received and responded to their message on the site, got a notice they had replied but had already closed the account. Then told them if they would like to continue conversing, they could respond to me using whatever method I contacted them with (email/vk/facebook)

After a dozen such messages, not one single response. I can understand someone seeking the anonymity of a site like that in 'some' cases. Also, one or two of the vk accounts looked inactive. (But only two out of about 8 that I found) All of the facebook accounts I found had recent posts to the wall. All of the direct emails I found were from current websites. 12 out of 12 not responding at all is a tad unrealistic. If they were really looking to meet and talk to American men without any other motivations or 'rewards' coming from the affiliates, at least one of them would have responded.

Another aside, when I closed the account I told Anastasia specifically that it was because in my conversations with their customer service I was lied to directly at least 4 times and mislead another half-dozen in response to direct questions about specific practices I had personally witness in their affiliate and russian site online resources and advertisements. I told them point blank that I wanted all my personal information removed from their system and my account deleted and would only permit them in light of their deceptiveness to keep on file whatever information was necessary to file the necessary income statements to their tax preparer and bank.

I'm still receiving emails from their system, and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it. (it respondes to a 'send password request') I have now threatened them with filing an FTC complaint, Attorney general complaints in both my state and theirs and am even considering filing a 'spam' complaint and possibly seeing if there is any anti-harassment law I can charge them with so I can get them to stop spamming me further since they seem unable to comply. I will probably also contact my credit card company to start the process of reversing the charges since they obviously were misrepresenting the 'services' they were actually selling.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 19, 2012, 03:39:22 AM
Oh, I should also add this. One of the women that I received an automated response from that intrigued me enough to write back despite my not finding her initially on vk or anywhere else apparently (allegedly) wrote back to me. I know not what the letter says as it is one of the notifications I received after I closed the account. However, since I received the reply I was curious and searched one more time using details from her first letter and found multiple tidbits about her online....

... including her vk.com account which shows she was married more than 2 months ago!

Gotta love it!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 19, 2012, 04:25:40 AM
By ANASTASIA you can learn some interesting things.

Let's find girls who speak a little, good or very good English.
Of the girls who are in the range of less than 1 credit card, there is 34%.
Those in the range of 1 to 2 credits, only 18% meet that requirement.
13.7% is the data that corresponds to the range of 2 to 3 credits.
Those in the range of 3 to 4 credits break the curve.
We present a very striking figure. 18.7% meet the English language.
In the range of 4 to 5 credits per letter, is the worst
data. Only state meet the English language 12%.
5 credits above values ​​stabilize and give a smooth curve.

You can deduce some things.
Perhaps girls are serious in the range of 0.5 to 2 credits.
Only 2% of those profiles have the hometown of Odessa and Nikolayev.
Keep in mind that in these two cities is about 30% of the business of ANASTASIA in Ukrania.
Probably in the range of 3 to 4 credits is the black hand of the "translators" who write letters.

I would like to hear from the seniors, TomT and others.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2012, 07:16:55 AM
John,

IF you study the profiles long enough, than you begin to see the more honest from less than honest women.

English skills and the price to send a letter as well as how many have expressed interest and how long she has been present are indications (but not guarantees) of honesty.

AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on July 19, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
Oh, I should also add this. One of the women that I received an automated response from that intrigued me enough to write back despite my not finding her initially on vk or anywhere else apparently (allegedly) wrote back to me. I know not what the letter says as it is one of the notifications I received after I closed the account. However, since I received the reply I was curious and searched one more time using details from her first letter and found multiple tidbits about her online....

... including her vk.com account which shows she was married more than 2 months ago!

Gotta love it!

One starts to wonder how many of active girls accounts should have been closed after girls requested closing/deleting their accounts. And what for they get lebeled as scammers by some WM if they did nothing wrong to anyone.   
Some girls who just start to look for international dating could easily come Anastasia.com and open account without much knowledge/experience about it. After time realising its not what they want asking close account and move to different site. Anastasia uses abandoned accounts and those accounts that should be closed, girls get blamed.

... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Your account could be used too  :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 07:40:53 AM
I would not waste my time with a formula or trying to navigate the ins and outs of Anastasia guys.
If it is too good to be true it probably is. I asked my wife (who worked there) what the best advice for a guy looking on Anastasia is. Her advice was "don't".

If you are a gambler, have money to spend, and want a challenge then go for it. If you can fly into a city like Miami, Paris, or LA and walk into a nightclub (after shoving a horseshoe up your arse) while speaking very little of the language and chat up a similar woman (who is married or has a boyfriend) then go for it and make sure you write an exciting trip report.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 19, 2012, 07:42:38 AM
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... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Why did you request to close your account when you haven't close it in your mind?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2012, 07:46:15 AM
I would not waste my time with a formula or trying to navigate the ins and outs of Anastasia guys.
If it is too good to be true it probably is. I asked my wife (who worked there) what the best advice for a guy looking on Anastasia is. Her advice was "don't".

If you are a gambler, have money to spend, and want a challenge then go for it. If you can fly into a city like Miami, Paris, or LA and walk into a nightclub (after shoving a horseshoe up your arse) while speaking very little of the language and chat up a similar women (who are married or has a boyfriend) then go for it and make sure you write an exciting trip report.

As the English would say, Bloody Brilliant!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 07:47:37 AM

One starts to wonder how many of active girls accounts should have been closed after girls requested closing/deleting their accounts. And what for they get lebeled as scammers by some WM if they did nothing wrong to anyone.   
Some girls who just start to look for international dating could easily come Anastasia.com and open account without much knowledge/experience about it. After time realising its not what they want asking close account and move to different site. Anastasia uses abandoned accounts and those accounts that should be closed, girls get blamed.

Happens quite often. The women are very aware initially about opening an account. They must walk into the office with passport, etc. These are strict guidelines.

What happens after that does not matter. Women signup for their friends who are the terps to build their portfolio and increase revenue. Women signup for free photos and don't care what happens after that while the agencies assume control of their profiles. The agency my wife worked at would use  profiles to chat with guys without the women knowing all the time.

My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2012, 07:51:34 AM
If it is too good to be true it probably is.

I asked my wife (who worked there) what the best advice for a guy looking on Anastasia is. Her advice was "don't".

If you are a gambler, have money to spend, and want a challenge then go for it. If you can fly into a city like Miami, Paris, or LA and walk into a nightclub (after shoving a horseshoe up your arse) while speaking very little of the language and chat up a similar women (who are married or has a boyfriend) then go for it and make sure you write an exciting trip report.

"If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.


The Gambler from Kenny Rogers
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 19, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
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... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Why did you request to close your account when you haven't close it in your mind?

I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 19, 2012, 08:16:21 AM
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... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Why did you request to close your account when you haven't close it in your mind?

I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)

But you are just curious about the content of the letter, aren't you?

What do you care anyway, if you don't do purchases you don't lose money :nod:

(If you don't want the notices you can direct them to the spam)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 08:18:33 AM
I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)

It has probably been removed. I cancelled mine and my wife verified the profile had been deleted.
As far as charges, or reporting them, probably not worth your time. Spend your efforts trying to find someone elsewhere instead.

Anastasia is setup with a US office and one located in Russia. These are legally independent from what I was told. Anastasia itself does not really break the laws (that I am aware) or play a part of the fraud directly. It is the agencies. Anastasia is obviously aware and looks the other way. Agencies can just fold their operation like spammers and signup again under a different name if there are fines or they get caught breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Alneverus on July 19, 2012, 08:22:37 AM
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... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Why did you request to close your account when you haven't close it in your mind?

I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)

But you are just curious about the content of the letter, aren't you?

What do you care anyway, if you don't do purchases you don't lose money :nod:

(If you don't want the notices you can direct them to the spam)

Been too lazy to close down my own and found they are having some "free read" stuff this month. Obviously business is down for them so they are attempting to spur up more. Kind of amusing, to be honest. So I've had fun, this month, reading factory churned out drivel that shows no real effort to utilize anything you, particularly, have written.

But if you are that curious, log in and you should be able to read for free. Then change settings so you don't receive them anymore.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2012, 09:16:24 AM
I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)

It has probably been removed. I cancelled mine and my wife verified the profile had been deleted.
As far as charges, or reporting them, probably not worth your time. Spend your efforts trying to find someone elsewhere instead.

Anastasia is setup with a US office and one located in Russia. These are legally independent from what I was told. Anastasia itself does not really break the laws (that I am aware) or play a part of the fraud directly. It is the agencies. Anastasia is obviously aware and looks the other way. Agencies can just fold their operation like spammers and signup again under a different name if there are fines or they get caught breaking the rules.

Sascha, I wish to disagree if the attorney general of a state is looking for a semi-soft target and has little to do than I suspect he has a victim.

The more complaints that he can confirm helps to build a case based on attempt of deception. AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 09:21:08 AM
I only tried to log into it to figure out why in the hell it still 'seems' to exist (i.e. I'm still receiving anastasia notices). If I'm going to file an FTC report, or other harassment charges, I prefer to know as much as possible about how little they have adhered to my direct demand to be removed. (I am a web developer for a living. I can surmise various traits that will tell me just what has or hasn't been done)

It has probably been removed. I cancelled mine and my wife verified the profile had been deleted.
As far as charges, or reporting them, probably not worth your time. Spend your efforts trying to find someone elsewhere instead.

Anastasia is setup with a US office and one located in Russia. These are legally independent from what I was told. Anastasia itself does not really break the laws (that I am aware) or play a part of the fraud directly. It is the agencies. Anastasia is obviously aware and looks the other way. Agencies can just fold their operation like spammers and signup again under a different name if there are fines or they get caught breaking the rules.

Sascha, I wish to disagree if the attorney general of a state is looking for a semi-soft target and has little to do than I suspect he has a victim.

The more complaints that he can confirm helps to build a case based on attempt of deception. AvHdB

You bring up a good point. I contemplated action myself at one point, but decided that for me, personally it was not worth the effort.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 19, 2012, 09:23:54 AM
My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)

At this moment some blocks might have been chatting with your wife :-X
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 09:28:55 AM
My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)

At this moment some blocks might have been chatting with your wife :-X

At this moment my wife was laying naked in my bed fast asleep while some guy chatted with her overweight male boss  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2012, 09:31:22 AM
My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)

At this moment some blocks might have been chatting with your wife :-X

At this moment my wife was laying naked in my bed fast asleep while some guy chatted with her overweight male boss  :)

Sorry the Dutch side of me but I have to ask; do you think he got off?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on July 19, 2012, 09:35:18 AM
My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)

At this moment some blocks might have been chatting with your wife :-X


At this moment my wife was laying naked in my bed fast asleep while some guy chatted with her overweight male boss  :)

Sorry the Dutch side of me but I have to ask; do you think he got off?


LOL. I cannot help but wonder.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 19, 2012, 06:49:57 PM
Oh, I should also add this. One of the women that I received an automated response from that intrigued me enough to write back despite my not finding her initially on vk or anywhere else apparently (allegedly) wrote back to me. I know not what the letter says as it is one of the notifications I received after I closed the account. However, since I received the reply I was curious and searched one more time using details from her first letter and found multiple tidbits about her online....

... including her vk.com account which shows she was married more than 2 months ago!

Gotta love it!

One starts to wonder how many of active girls accounts should have been closed after girls requested closing/deleting their accounts. And what for they get lebeled as scammers by some WM if they did nothing wrong to anyone.   
Some girls who just start to look for international dating could easily come Anastasia.com and open account without much knowledge/experience about it. After time realising its not what they want asking close account and move to different site. Anastasia uses abandoned accounts and those accounts that should be closed, girls get blamed.

... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Your account could be used too  :evilgrin0002:

Good post missA and very correct. I have kept saying that conclusions should not be jumped to about girls.Once they sign up it can take a lot to get a profile deleted-- and--even if it is they can reappear on another site without knowledge of original girl.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 19, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
My wife deleted her profile. Several months after she arrived here in the US we noticed she was online and ready to chat on one of Anastasia's sister sites  :)

At this moment some blocks might have been chatting with your wife :-X

At this moment my wife was laying naked in my bed fast asleep while some guy chatted with her overweight male boss  :)

I know where I would rather be !! Funny but not laughing !!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 20, 2012, 02:15:33 AM
Oh, I should also add this. One of the women that I received an automated response from that intrigued me enough to write back despite my not finding her initially on vk or anywhere else apparently (allegedly) wrote back to me. I know not what the letter says as it is one of the notifications I received after I closed the account. However, since I received the reply I was curious and searched one more time using details from her first letter and found multiple tidbits about her online....

... including her vk.com account which shows she was married more than 2 months ago!

Gotta love it!

One starts to wonder how many of active girls accounts should have been closed after girls requested closing/deleting their accounts. And what for they get lebeled as scammers by some WM if they did nothing wrong to anyone.   
Some girls who just start to look for international dating could easily come Anastasia.com and open account without much knowledge/experience about it. After time realising its not what they want asking close account and move to different site. Anastasia uses abandoned accounts and those accounts that should be closed, girls get blamed.

... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Your account could be used too  :evilgrin0002:

Good post missA and very correct. I have kept saying that conclusions should not be jumped to about girls.Once they sign up it can take a lot to get a profile deleted-- and--even if it is they can reappear on another site without knowledge of original girl.

If my account had been used I should get my fair share due to copyrights :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on July 20, 2012, 03:30:02 AM
The many girls who appear on webcam,some often and others from time to time,plus the many girls who meet men to fleece them of money and gifts,certainly know their accounts are being used. (:)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 20, 2012, 04:13:39 AM
ANASTASIA not only uses a lot of abandoned profiles.

I found two profiles that have photographs of the same person.
In one case, the 80490, the girl is now 23 years.
The profile is from three years. Still exists.
In the other case, the profile 175026 opened 5 months after the first. She was 26.

When I explained I complaint ANASTASIA staff, they did not answer my mail. What I noticed is that they immediately removed the profile 175026.

The use of abandoned profiles give them great benefits.

I have found that a girl is driving up to fifteen profiles abandoned.
(They are recovered by the local agency staff and handed over to trusted partners)
Usually these girls are going to develop this work to the local agency.
There may be daily, several hours "working."
I was unable to confirm any cases of such practices from a computer
located in a private home.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on July 20, 2012, 07:41:07 AM
My goodness. Sixteen pages of the same thing over and over.  (:)

A la verdad es que hay gente que le gusta batir la mierda.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 20, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
My goodness. Sixteen pages of the same thing over and over.  (:)

Oh Muzh do not lament I think there are four or five topics about Anastasia running. Sometimes I wonder maybe we could start a separate topic and lump than all together!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 22, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
A la verdad es que hay gente que le gusta batir la mierda.

él encontró so amor :-X 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 22, 2012, 04:52:32 AM
quote]

JayH

I can paste the below on every post you have made but the mods will not be amused.

In any event I was mistaken.

Some where I have to apologize for indicating that JayH insulted Vinny - he did not my excuses to the J man.

I can say sorry you can not even accept a simple apology says allot about some.

The posts in this thread were not about me.I said that above. You are reading something into it that is not there-- but it does not stop you attempting another slap  at me specifically.
It is you that it says something about-- not me.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on July 22, 2012, 07:00:05 AM
Five posts removed-off topic.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 22, 2012, 10:35:47 AM
I recently just turned 33.
At this age, Jesus Christ came to the zenith.

A December, I informed ANASTASIA following:
The profiles 88244, 89544, 99222, 104861, 104871, 110081, 137923 and 166187 are handled by the same person.
These profiles were created from 1.5 to 2.5 years earlier.
My communication was addressed to the attention of Mr. Gregory.
With a copy to Miss Diana.
They answered evasively. "What has drawn you to say that?"
Of course not answered.
Later I saw that they had taken it very seriously.
All these profiles were removed several days later.
This shows that the shit has to remove.

 Our passivity and if we accept this as "normal", those good "marriage agencies" have no reason to change.
 I do not doubt that they are very attentive to what is said in this forum and others.
 I have found that they modified their procedures. Especially noticeable in local partner agencies.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 22, 2012, 11:23:24 AM
I recently just turned 33.

Feliz cumpleaños :)

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This shows that the shit has to remove.

Have't you mentioned before that you've found your love? :popcorn: 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 23, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
Thank you Sharon.

Of course all this has happened much earlier.
Fidelity begins in our minds.

We do not give much value to what we have until we lose time.
That's what you say and I agree completely.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on July 24, 2012, 03:11:08 PM
Lately i decided to have my first chat with ukrainian female friend which i mentioned in my other thread abt salaries on Anastasia... girl started working for them 2 months ago, she claims to be interpreter but she also got her own profile... we dont speak about her work too much and i usualy talk with her on VK or Skype but since lately she's been mostly busy i thought i would suprise her with my online visit at her "workplace".

At the beggining i stronly suggested she's speaking with "me" (without telling name) and not some anonymous guy... 10 mins into the chat i've noticed that all her answers are suspiciously "round" and are lacking any details, so i asked her what's my name, she quoted my profile name (which is totaly fake, since i dont want to give any real details to those thiefs), then i repeated, "can u tell my REAL name?" she said "i cant find any other at your profile", then she started reading all other profile infos like it was in any way revealing, lol...so i kindly said "good bye" and logged off disguised.

I've read about those abandoned profiles ran by agency people, but now i'm pretty sure that most of them, even the active and latest ones are totaly bogus. Propably most of the girls from the site, apart from official agency employees, are so-called "interpreters" for operating other girls profiles, chat-wise and corespondence-wise, to sustain lack of comunication and total anonimousity between customer and a girl he thinks he's in touch with.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on July 24, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Rasmus, Welcome to RUA and it seems you spoke to a real scammer via Anastasia congratulations! 

Sorry perhaps you could explain you sensed who she was , you surprised her at work, you spent ten minutes with holding details and she she logged off ~ you disguised. Perhaps she was disgusted.

What does it prove? RUA tries to alert members that Anastasia and the mirror sites are often filled with women who are dishonest in one form or the other. Until you decide to travel to the former Soviet Union to meet women and even than there is no guarantee are you not just waiting your money?

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 24, 2012, 07:29:14 PM

A December, I informed ANASTASIA following:
The profiles 88244, 89544, 99222, 104861, 104871, 110081, 137923 and 166187 are handled by the same person.
 

John- how did you establish that they were all handled by the same person?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on July 25, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
Rasmus, Welcome to RUA and it seems you spoke to a real scammer via Anastasia congratulations! 

Sorry perhaps you could explain you sensed who she was , you surprised her at work, you spent ten minutes with holding details and she she logged off ~ you disguised. Perhaps she was disgusted.

What does it prove? RUA tries to alert members that Anastasia and the mirror sites are often filled with women who are dishonest in one form or the other. Until you decide to travel to the former Soviet Union to meet women and even than there is no guarantee are you not just waiting your money?

Thank U for the introduction, AvHdB!

After last night talk i just believe that most of the profiles (without cam chat) are operated by other persons and it's just a rule at Anastasia! As i told i know the real girl from "her" profile, i keep in touch with her for a year, i saw her numerous times on video chat, and i know who she is... and that wasnt that girl yesterday on the chat. I could notice that by the way she was replying, constructing sentences... if u spent hours without someone on chat u pay attention to the smallest details. I do believe actual girl has no idea about her visitors on the chat, same with letters, it's just a way to keep dis-comunication between customers and girls, both ways.... and it was me logging off when she couldnt say my real name... i just saw she was playing on time, without giving me anything real.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 25, 2012, 01:46:24 AM
Rasmus, Welcome to RUA and it seems you spoke to a real scammer via Anastasia congratulations! 

Sorry perhaps you could explain you sensed who she was , you surprised her at work, you spent ten minutes with holding details and she she logged off ~ you disguised. Perhaps she was disgusted.

What does it prove? RUA tries to alert members that Anastasia and the mirror sites are often filled with women who are dishonest in one form or the other. Until you decide to travel to the former Soviet Union to meet women and even than there is no guarantee are you not just waiting your money?

Thank U for the introduction, AvHdB!

After last night talk i just believe that most of the profiles (without cam chat) are operated by other persons and it's just a rule at Anastasia! As i told i know the real girl from "her" profile, i keep in touch with her for a year, i saw her numerous times on video chat, and i know who she is... and that wasn't that girl yesterday on the chat. I could notice that by the way she was replying, constructing sentences... if u spent hours without someone on chat u pay attention to the smallest details. I do believe actual girl has no idea about her visitors on the chat, same with letters, it's just a way to keep dis-comunication between customers and girls, both ways.... and it was me logging off when she couldn't say my real name... i just saw she was playing on time, without giving me anything real.

There are many comments here and threads about Anastasia -- and other sites.  I drew attention to what I think is the biggest money earner.
You were in chat--without webcam.  Try this--- site uses  a tape of girl on webcam-- sitting there doing various things .In fact it was actually a guy chatting.This  guy was doing the same with ten(10) profiles at once !!! I mean on air at that very minute-- not just operating multiple profiles.   Work out how much money that was bringing in per hour-- it is serious ,serious money.
Not all operaters are  as skilled as that guy-- but it is not unusual to look after multiple profiles at any one time.It may be a girl or a guy of any age doing the operating. In the case I am referring to it was out of Odessa -- but it is not confined to one city.
In the specific case above-- girl did come on when convenient-- for about an hour and did updated tape- so operater had a choice of tape.
No matter where or how you are using webcam--even skype-- the need to be sure that you are chatting live is still there-preferably without letting girl know you are checking!!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on July 25, 2012, 02:27:13 AM
If it's true, it has to be extremeley sophisticated and advance video software.... i mean people are not dumb, there are many nuances, which can suggest something wrong with the video feed, such as off-time behaviour, u can just simply tell the girl to smile or wave her hand.... and if guy/or any other person operating, can provide this in real time without any signs of on-screen glitch... well, then hats off to programmers from Anastasia.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 25, 2012, 02:39:25 AM
If it's true, it has to be extremely sophisticated and advance video software.... i mean people are not dumb, there are many nuances, which can suggest something wrong with the video feed, such as overtime behaviour, u can just simply tell the girl to smile or wave her hand.... and if guy/or any other person operating, can provide this in real time without any signs of on-screen glitch... well, then hats off to programmers from Anastasia.

Believe me it is true. I already knew the details and without going into the details  why and how--something did go wrong with the system and we actually got the guy on camera himself--it was pretty funny--if it had not been so serious.
You would be amazed at the excuses made not to wave or do anything to confirm-- and you are spending money to have the argument. You also need to take into account that the huge majority of users are never going to have meeting and the video chat is it .
Last point-- some of the operaters are very skilled  chatters and conversationalists.Some have good memories and good notes.They are also very motivated to earn a dollar.Put all that together and you start to get it.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on July 25, 2012, 05:38:29 AM
If it's true, it has to be extremely sophisticated and advance video software.... i mean people are not dumb, there are many nuances, which can suggest something wrong with the video feed, such as overtime behaviour, u can just simply tell the girl to smile or wave her hand.... and if guy/or any other person operating, can provide this in real time without any signs of on-screen glitch... well, then hats off to programmers from Anastasia.

Believe me it is true. I already knew the details and without going into the details  why and how--something did go wrong with the system and we actually got the guy on camera himself--it was pretty funny--if it had not been so serious.
You would be amazed at the excuses made not to wave or do anything to confirm-- and you are spending money to have the argument. You also need to take into account that the huge majority of users are never going to have meeting and the video chat is it .
Last point-- some of the operaters are very skilled  chatters and conversationalists.Some have good memories and good notes.They are also very motivated to earn a dollar.Put all that together and you start to get it.

They use special technique...

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 25, 2012, 03:11:14 PM
Mr. JAYH

For a month, I have been sending a daily email ANASTASIA.
These were directed to Mr. Gregory and a copy to Miss Diana.
Every day I informed them that some profiles were handled by the same person. Some groups consisted of two people and others up to 15 people.
Each email was answered by Mr. Gregory. All were written with the same phrase:
"As you know that these profiles are handled by the same person?"

That question was repeated 24 times.

In a lot of cases this response was accompanied by a strong performance of ANASTASIA. They finally removed the profiles.

Mr. Gregory asked that question probably for two reasons.
a) They wanted to know how I got it for them to find a solution that would avoid this type of research.
b) They wanted to know if I provided a reliable source that could serve as evidence.

Subsequently, they have made ​​changes to their software for that kind of control difficult.
They have performed at local agency to avoid being caught in this dirty business.

Mr. JAYH ,to your question is similar to that made me Mr. Gregory 24 times.
I'm sure you do not have the same intentions.
But I ask my apologies if I do not answer.

Best regards
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 25, 2012, 06:44:02 PM

Mr. JAYH ,to your question is similar to that made me Mr. Gregory 24 times.
I'm sure you do not have the same intentions.
But I ask my apologies if I do not answer.


John- I appreciate  your sentiments.I would be happy to deal with via pm if you wish to.I am DEFINATELY not affiliated with websites in any way whatsoever.Your information is of great interest to me.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treii28 on July 29, 2012, 11:22:54 PM
Yet more to update - I put my internet searching skills to use and checked on more info for the four women that sent me the most believable letters. I already mentioned the one who was married 2 1/2 months ago. Another I found a facebook profile for in addition to her VK account. It shows her in many situations with the same guy and the timeline shows many affectionate back-and-forths so she has apparently been in a relationship for some time now.
One of the women - lesbian - no interest in men what-so-ever.
And the one that allegedly responded to my letters, I finally found her facebook profile also. The letters I received were at the end of June and the early part of July. She was on a 2 week vacation the entire time. I told anastasia the bare details of what I found, demanded they refund my money and they claim they are going to cooperate. We'll see.

Also, for chuckles (I mentioned this earlier also) I sent friend requests on both VK and facebook to any profiles I found from 'any' of the accounts that allegedly sent me messages. I included a very generic, brief message saying only "I no longer use anastasia - if you want to still talk, you can contact me here" - there was close to a dozen, most had active wall content. Not one accept.

Scam scam scam

Tre`

Oh, I should also add this. One of the women that I received an automated response from that intrigued me enough to write back despite my not finding her initially on vk or anywhere else apparently (allegedly) wrote back to me. I know not what the letter says as it is one of the notifications I received after I closed the account. However, since I received the reply I was curious and searched one more time using details from her first letter and found multiple tidbits about her online....

... including her vk.com account which shows she was married more than 2 months ago!

Gotta love it!

One starts to wonder how many of active girls accounts should have been closed after girls requested closing/deleting their accounts. And what for they get lebeled as scammers by some WM if they did nothing wrong to anyone.   
Some girls who just start to look for international dating could easily come Anastasia.com and open account without much knowledge/experience about it. After time realising its not what they want asking close account and move to different site. Anastasia uses abandoned accounts and those accounts that should be closed, girls get blamed.

... and there still appears to be an account although I am unable to actually log into it.

Your account could be used too  :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on July 30, 2012, 01:55:51 AM
Also, for chuckles (I mentioned this earlier also) I sent friend requests on both VK and facebook to any profiles I found from 'any' of the accounts that allegedly sent me messages. I included a very generic, brief message saying only "I no longer use anastasia - if you want to still talk, you can contact me here" - there was close to a dozen, most had active wall content. Not one accept.

I do believe those girls didnt have any clue U were writing to "them" on Anastasia since most of the profiles (if not all) are operated by agency workers, other girls, whatever...  so when an anonymous foreigner is sudenly writing to them on their private profiles, they are dumbfound.  It's hard to say if they are doing something bad, they are part of the scam, but just a lil piece of the giant machine.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on July 30, 2012, 02:09:18 AM

I do believe those girls didnt have any clue U were writing to "them" on Anastasia since most of the profiles (if not all) are operated by agency workers, other girls, whatever...  so when an anonymous foreigner is sudenly writing to them on their private profiles, they are dumbfound.  It's hard to say if they are doing something bad, they are part of the scam, but just a lil piece of the giant machine.

I think you have gone a step to far--- girls mostly know that their photos and profile are being used-- exactly where they may not know.Agencies have some sense of responsibility to Anastasia and potential fall out.Incidentally-- substitute any site for the word Anastasia-- it can be many websites.Profiles are not 100% empty spaces .
Writing directly in that manner is unlikely to get you too many responses.You need to take into account the horror stories from the girls side also .
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on July 30, 2012, 02:47:01 AM
It's no wonder so few of the men and women using sites such as Anastasia actually marry each other.

The women believe most of the men using the sites are desperate lunatics and fools. :laugh:

The men believe,in time,that most of the women using the sites are insincere prodaters and scammers. :GRRRR:

In the middle you've got the actual sites and the local Ukrainian affiliates who are only interested in making as much money as possible,using any way they can get away with. :money:

Doing the lottery looks a far better proposition for men,and a lot less time and effort.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on July 30, 2012, 07:15:07 AM

Hello RASMUS80

You say the machinery that is real. But that machine can not function if there is some truth that they need to cover legal and operational.
Probably some of the girls who enroll for the first time have an honest desire.
There are local agencies (working with ANASTASIA) ranging market opening at the universities of Nikolayev and Odessa. Perhaps in other locations.

They distributed leaflets to the girls to communicate with foreigners.
They offer money in exchange for corresponding with foreigners.
There is a simple way to determine which are the girls who are in good faith.
This requires selecting those girls who are recent addition. No more than one month. The courage to open a letter should never be greater than 2 dollars. This means written with 6 men at a time.
It can be seen that the vast majority, initially amounting to $ 5 per letter.
Ie written start with 18 men at once.
This is a slogan that the agency imposes.
You have to move your business! Also impose other slogans that girls have to meet if they want to stay at the agency. They are relentless.
Some, those with good intentions, they refuse to obey those slogans. This does not mean your going to have success with them.
When we intend to formalize more communication with the girl, the agency enters directly into the game. It is very difficult to overcome those filters from the agency.
They are very clear that we must get the highest return to the profile.

I encourage Rasmus80. There are many things to discover yet.

Greetings to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on August 01, 2012, 08:43:50 AM
This requires selecting those girls who are recent addition. No more than one month. The courage to open a letter should never be greater than 2 dollars. This means written with 6 men at a time.
It can be seen that the vast majority, initially amounting to $ 5 per letter.
Ie written start with 18 men at once.
This is a slogan that the agency imposes.

I'm sorry John, but i dont fully understand this part, my english is propably not that good as i assume it is.  :)

... from what i've experienced all letters (opening and sending) is 10 creds per letter. Is this price change-able?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on August 01, 2012, 09:05:12 AM
This requires selecting those girls who are recent addition. No more than one month. The courage to open a letter should never be greater than 2 dollars. This means written with 6 men at a time.
It can be seen that the vast majority, initially amounting to $ 5 per letter.
Ie written start with 18 men at once.
This is a slogan that the agency imposes.

I'm sorry John, but i dont fully understand this part, my english is propably not that good as i assume it is.  :)

... from what i've experienced all letters (opening and sending) is 10 creds per letter. Is this price change-able?

All the above is now not relevant for two first letters. Recently Anastasia upgraded its marketing. Now all first letters from girls are free, and first letter to send is also free, as it was before.

If you guys want to continue to grind flour, at least you should be apdated :coffeeread:   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rasmus80 on August 01, 2012, 09:22:35 AM
I was aware of the "promotion"... i just didnt know that letters are priced differently, i thought that price is flat - 10creds. Anyway, i wonder if this 2nd month of free corespondance is a sign of bad business for Anastasia... i hope if they wont be stopped with legals methods, at least they will have to call it a day, because of the declining numbers of paying customers.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on August 01, 2012, 09:50:23 AM
I was aware of the "promotion"... i just didnt know that letters are priced differently, i thought that price is flat - 10creds. Anyway, i wonder if this 2nd month of free corespondance is a sign of bad business for Anastasia... i hope if they wont be stopped with legals methods, at least they will have to call it a day, because of the declining numbers of paying customers.

I didn't see any other but 10 credits. But based on the information that available now - is it really matter to anyone?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on August 05, 2012, 05:12:46 AM

In ANASTASIA are opening fewer profiles than two years ago.
In relation to the total, the percentage of profiles of women has decreased.
However, turnover has increased.
For that reason and others, they give various instructions to the girls.
- They must maintain communication with a minimum of 18 men. Corresponds to a credit value of 5.
98.6% of turnover corresponds to the profiles from 5 to 20 credits. A profile of 20 credits communicates with 78 men. This is a record!
They fight to the death to avoid deleting a profile.
Before deleting them, leave them some time without activity.
And it only erased when they analyze the letters received by that profile during
the downtime.
That's when they decide whether it is advisable to eliminate the "Running Scared".
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Tom Cat on August 05, 2012, 06:41:29 AM

In ANASTASIA are opening fewer profiles than two years ago.
In relation to the total, the percentage of profiles of women has decreased.
However, turnover has increased.
For that reason and others, they give various instructions to the girls.
- They must maintain communication with a minimum of 18 men. Corresponds to a credit value of 5.
98.6% of turnover corresponds to the profiles from 5 to 20 credits. A profile of 20 credits communicates with 78 men. This is a record!
They fight to the death to avoid deleting a profile.
Before deleting them, leave them some time without activity.
And it only erased when they analyze the letters received by that profile during
the downtime.
That's when they decide whether it is advisable to eliminate the "Running Scared".

Hi John,
Where are you getting Info?
There are those that say some Ladies do not write their own letters, and are workers in the agencies do all correspondence.
So tell how a girl is supposed to hold and 18 man minimum, if she is not even writing the letters?   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 05, 2012, 05:06:47 PM
John Petaca:

You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the operations of Anastasia.

As a former employee of that company myself, can I ask you; are you a current or former employee of Anastasia?

:whistle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on August 08, 2012, 02:53:12 AM
Mr. SHAKESPEAR

With ANASTASIA I've only had a link: I have been his victim.

First, I just wonder one thing.
You are in favor or against ANASTASIA?
If you're going for, I respect your position.
If you are against, I think you have much to contribute so that others know better modus operandi of this company.
Many believe that Anastasia is not a serious company.
Links with local agencies are international in scope.
I guess for the prosecution USA is not an easy topic.
The show that local agencies are moving mechanisms mobsters, immoral and illegal is relatively simple.
That said, if ANASTASIA works with such partners, ¿ANASTASIA
is developing an alleged criminal activity?
My tests are reasoned and reasonable.
But do not apply to be considered by a judge.
I will not spend a dime to show the prosecutor that local agencies are a nest of criminals.
I wonder:
Why ANASTASIA serious competition does not act?
Why not create a patient organization?

I am convinced that you have answers to these questions.

Thank you for your intervention.

Best regards
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on August 08, 2012, 03:30:38 AM
Hi Tom Cat,

How to get the information is unimportant.

I think that is everything.
Employees, as we understand it in the Western world, I am convinced that local agencies do not.
Certainly there are people who spend several hours a day to write letters.
The same person handles multiple profiles.
Otherwise. They are girls who have their profile and also handle other profiles. These profiles were abandoned by other real girls.
There are other cases ...

You can not imagine the intensity of work is in these local agencies.
Just look at the amount of people waiting their turn to take a computer in those agencies.
Even, some agencies are open all night.
The unemployment rate of young Ukrainians is very high.
Those working in a shop charge 150 to 200 $ per month.
Therefore, write letters in contact agencies is a privilege.

Sincerely.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on August 08, 2012, 05:40:31 AM
Therefore, write letters in contact agencies is a privilege.

 :saint:
Wish I give them the charity in person :KISSSS:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on August 08, 2012, 07:27:08 AM
Hi Tom Cat,

How to get the information is unimportant.


Estimado Señor Petaca:

You are absolutely wrong on this one here. It would be wise for you to explain how you are getting this information.

Also, what is your final objective doing this? Is it to close Anastasia? Is it to stop the use of stolen profiles? Are you faster than a speeding bullet?

Que joder, hombre. Ya basta.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 08, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
If you are against, I think you have much to contribute so that others know better modus operandi of this company.

I'm definitely against.  My experience while working for this company pre-2000 are documented in this forums archives, 

Elena Besuden has become a millionaire from money generated by Anastasiaweb.

You ought to see a picture of her multi-million dollar seaside property in Maine.  I can send you a picture of the grave of her American husband, David Besuden.  He is the man she originally married and who she jointly founded the company.  He died basically penniless after Elena tricked him out of his share of the company. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on August 09, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
Mr. Shakespear,

Thank you very much for your reply.
Next week I will go to Ukraine.
I have the intention of driving.
I will cross Europe through Serbia, Romania, Moldova, Transnistria and finally Ukraine.
Can anyone tell me of Transnistria?
I have not seen much information on the network.
Good holidays to all.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 09:44:05 AM
I just don't want to get into it there is so much wrong on this thread and I don't have the time to sort it all out. BUT...

How the hell did Dmitry Kovtun get his snout mixed up with Anastasia and is this the same Dmitri Kovtun who got famous back in 2006 for mixing radiation cocktails? (I may have just drank my last safe cup of coffee  :chuckle:)

2012 Annual Report (http://apps.sos.ky.gov/ImageWebViewer/(S(fyfqbw45x0fbog45asnj14ed))/OBDBDisplayImage.aspx?id=5089160)

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 09, 2012, 10:26:11 AM
How the hell did Dmitry Kovtun get his snout mixed up with Anastasia and is this the same Dmitri Kovtun who got famous back in 2006 for mixing radiation cocktails? (I may have just drank my last safe cup of coffee  :chuckle:)

Brass:

Can't say for sure.  There was a Dmitry who lived in Moscow that was Elena Besuden's "girl friday" so to speak.  He would handle all the logistics for the tours coming over including maintaining contact with all the agencies that supplied ladies for the socials and arranging facilities for the meetings and hotels.  He spoke fluent English and of course Russian.  It was common knowledge amongst the employees that he was a "blue-man".   

If this is the same Dmitry, it would not surprise me that Elena Besuden has kept him involved with the business.

What does surprise me is that Anastasia is still a registered corporation under the State of Kentucky and has not moved to Maine, where the company is actually domiciled now.   

I don't believe there is any connection between the two Dmitri's Brass. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
I don't believe there is any connection between the two Dmitri's Brass.

No, I don't think so either. :chuckle:

Has there ever been a successful lawsuit filed against Anastasia, Shakey?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 09, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
Has there ever been a successful lawsuit filed against Anastasia, Shakey?

Not to my knowledge Brass.

Back in the early 2000's I know one guy who tried to file a class-action suit against Anastasia on behalf of any and all men who felt the company swindled them.  He had obtained about 75 hundred dissatisfied customer complaints as his evidence package.  I testified as a witness at the class action hearing.  He was successful in getting the class certified.  After court, in his excitement of winning that first step, he told me he didn't really care about the other men and was only filing this suit to get Anastasia to pay him $100,000 to go away. 

I got notice some months later that the case had been dismissed and I never heard from him or the court again so I assume he was successful. 

I know in the "early days", many men were successful in getting "chargebacks" from their credit cards; claiming they never received the services they paid for.  This really pissed Elena off to no end.  She always figured once she had the customer's money it was hers whether she provided satisfactory service or not; and she would throw public fits about how those that did get these chargebacks were now basically stealing money from her.  Predictably perverted Russian perspective on the whole thing if you ask me. 

I understand she has since hired lawyers and drafted her contracts in such a way to make successfully obtaining a chargeback from a credit card virtually impossible. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 12:26:49 PM
Not to my knowledge Brass.

Back in the early 2000's I know one guy who tried to file a class-action suit against Anastasia on behalf of any and all men who felt the company swindled them.  He had obtained about 75 hundred dissatisfied customer complaints as his evidence package.  I testified as a witness at the class action hearing.  He was successful in getting the class certified. After court, in his excitement of winning that first step, he told me he didn't really care about the other men and was only filing this suit to get Anastasia to pay him $100,000 to go away.

I got notice some months later that the case had been dismissed and I never heard from him or the court again so I assume he was successful. 

So in effect Anastasia got scammed... ;D

There is a huge difference between an unsatisfied customer and a swindle, of course. I can't help but think if Anastasia had "swindled" 7,500-/+ customers, a criminal investigation would have been launched much along the lines of the on line pharmacies or get rich quick schemes that you routinely hear and read about in the news and possibly even shut down. They still seem to be running a have a successful business?

I know in the "early days", many men were successful in getting "chargebacks" from their credit cards; claiming they never received the services they paid for.  This really pissed Elena off to no end.  She always figured once she had the customer's money it was hers whether she provided satisfactory service or not; and she would throw public fits about how those that did get these chargebacks were now basically stealing money from her.  Predictably perverted Russian perspective on the whole thing if you ask me. 

I understand she has since hired lawyers and drafted her contracts in such a way to make successfully obtaining a chargeback from a credit card virtually impossible.

On the other hand we give a generous percentage of 5% here at the forum of men who actually get on a plane and somewhere around 2-3% of men who actually finish the race (marriage).

You gotta ask yourself, if say even 10% of the clients catch on after getting their feet wet or are unsuccessful, "Hey, this isn't for me how do I get my money back?" then figure out a charge back on the generic excuse - unsatisfactory service or failure to deliver same - I could see a business owner getting a little peeved.

This isn't to say a customer shouldn't be able to get his money back for unsatisfactory service, however, those that enter into a contract with a marriage broker should probably be aware before they plug in the plastic that this endeavor isn't the same as buying a collectible on ebay (imo).

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 09, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
On the other hand we give a generous percentage of 5% here at the forum of men who actually get on a plane and somewhere around 2-3% of men who actually finish the race (marriage).

You gotta ask yourself, if say even 10% of the clients catch on after getting their feet wet or are unsuccessful, "Hey, this isn't for me how do I get my money back?" then figure out a charge back on the generic excuse - unsatisfactory service or failure to deliver same - I could see a business owner getting a little peeved.

This isn't to say a customer shouldn't be able to get his money back for unsatisfactory service, however, those that enter into a contract with a marriage broker should probably be aware before they plug in the plastic that this endeavor isn't the same as buying a collectible on ebay (imo). 

OK Brass, do these guys deserve a refund?

Back in the days when "snail mail" was the only way to communicate with the FSU, Anastasia advertised an "Express Letter Service" to their male customers.  They claimed they send a DAILY DHL package to their Moscow office and for a small fee ($4) they would include your letter in that package.  Once in Moscow their staff would put it in a Russian-size envelope, readdress the letter in Cyrillic and mail it with Russian stamps.  They claimed this would speed delivery by 2-3 weeks and would increase reliability of delivery since it would not look like a foreign letter and was less likely to be riffled by curious postal workers looking to augment their pitiful government salary.

Sounds like a great deal, right?  Literally THOUSANDS of letters came in requesting this service.

What actually happened?  There was no DAILY DHL package.  Somebody slapped a $0.50 international airmail stamp on them and dropped them in the mailbox at the Winchester post office.  Saw it with my own eyes.  Nice 700% profit margin. 

The basic dishonesty at the core of the owners of this agency came through with every transaction they processed.       
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 06:23:12 PM
OK Brass, do these guys deserve a refund?

Back in the days when "snail mail" was the only way to communicate with the FSU, Anastasia advertised an "Express Letter Service" to their male customers.  They claimed they send a DAILY DHL package to their Moscow office and for a small fee ($4) they would include your letter in that package.  Once in Moscow their staff would put it in a Russian-size envelope, readdress the letter in Cyrillic and mail it with Russian stamps.  They claimed this would speed delivery by 2-3 weeks and would increase reliability of delivery since it would not look like a foreign letter and was less likely to be riffled by curious postal workers looking to augment their pitiful government salary.

Sounds like a great deal, right?  Literally THOUSANDS of letters came in requesting this service.

What actually happened?  There was no DAILY DHL package.  Somebody slapped a $0.50 international airmail stamp on them and dropped them in the mailbox at the Winchester post office.  Saw it with my own eyes.  Nice 700% profit margin. 

The basic dishonesty at the core of the owners of this agency came through with every transaction they processed.     

Shakey, I'm simply going to state that if these people (the original owners then the second husband) were perpetrating such silly, amaturish hijinks that could be so easily uncovered and traced (not to mention the original envelope with the affixed air mail stamp and postal station identifier being recoverable as evidence) these people wouldn't be in business now. Anastasia would be long gone or maybe remembered as a footnote to the dumbest, most traceble scam in the history of the MOB industry.

Yet, this isn't the case, Dan Sykes, not running, not hiding, not ducking and dodging the civil suits and law...he's buying heritage buildings at public auctions:

http://bangordailynews.com/2010/07/21/news/bangor/whig-and-courier-sells-at-auction-for-355000/

Paneling at international trade shows...

http://img.idate2010.com/2010/LA/photos800/Internet-Dating-Conference-iDate2010-Regulatory-Panel-Los-Angeles-2.jpg

That's Anastasia's Dan Sykes speaking on Regulation of Online Dating

http://idate2010.com/speakers-la-2010.php

... right above the Deputy Director for Public Diplomacy's government emblem speaking on how the State Department Uses Social Networking to Engage U.S. Citizens and Foreigners on Items Related to the U.S. Government, Security & Access

Why isn't any of this stuff sticking?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 07:07:04 PM
Shakey, I'm simply going to state that if these people (the original owners then the second husband) were perpetrating such silly, amaturish hijinks that could be so easily uncovered and traced (not to mention the original envelope with the affixed air mail stamp and postal station identifier being recoverable as evidence) these people wouldn't be in business now. Anastasia would be a long gone or maybe remembered as a footnote to the dumbest, most traceble scam in the history of the MOB industry.

Yet, this isn't the case, Dan Sykes, not running, not hiding, not ducking and dodging the civil suits and law...he's buying heritage buildings at public auctions:

Why isn't any of this stuff sticking?


My wife tells me Anastasia is set up so there are two independent corps. The US based corp does nothing technically illegal these days and all blame is put on the Moscow corp. I am not versed in international law but would think it hard to sue a Russian company from overseas. Maybe shakespear has more detailed info as he mentioned he worked for them previously.

It is similar to the relationship between advertisers and ad agencies. Anastasia is aware that there is fraud from the agencies and looks the other way. Anastasia will even shut down agencies for fraud and abuse if someone catches them. They have an incentive to do so in fact as they can then fine the agency and keep commissions for itself making even more money. The agency will just reapply or reopen under a different name and is up and running again right away. This can go on for years and years without repercussions in marketing even here in the US.

My wife explained all this to me as she worked for an agency. Fraud was rampant. At one point Anastasia withheld 40k from the agency when they were caught red handed. Blame is shifted to those evil agencies in Ukraine, Anastasia pockets 40k and the agency owner just starts over.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 09, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Shakey, I'm simply going to state that if these people (the original owners then the second husband) were perpetrating such silly, amateurish hijinks's that could be so easily uncovered and traced (not to mention the original envelope with the affixed air mail stamp and postal station identifier being recoverable as evidence) these people wouldn't be in business now. Anastasia would be long gone or maybe remembered as a footnote to the dumbest, most traceable scam in the history of the MOB industry. 

Let's not mix words.  Basically you're calling me a liar.

I'm telling you I saw it with my own eyes.  I saw them do it HUNDREDS of TIMES.  On occasion, I actually deposited the mail in the post box at the Winchester KY post office with my own two hands.

They DIDN'T care if they were discovered.  Between them and European Connections they were the only game in town.  They were getting hundreds of inquiries from new male customers every week. Lose one, gain 12 more.  Screw the new 12, get 144 more.  It was a numbers game that involved getting as much money as possible as quickly as possible from each customer.  It's the same game they're playing now.

Let's talk about their Gentleman's Catalog.  They would charge men $100 to be included in a Gentleman's Catalog that would be distributed to women who attended their socials or were customers of their FSU feeder agencies.  The men would have a chance to write a profile and submit a picture.  The women would write to Anastasia's Winchester Office with the man's catalog number on the outside of the envelope and Anastasia was supposed to forward the letters on to the man.

Well, most of those reply letters ended up in the trash can.  I saw both Elena and David Besuden throw handfulls of them there.  Every once in a while a secretary who felt guilty would fish them out and send them on to the gentleman, but not often.  When I asked Elena about this she replied, "Why waste the postage?  We already have their money".

Something else I witnessed with my own two eyes.  Gonna call me a liar again?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 09, 2012, 08:22:03 PM
It always seems strange to me when someone who has actually worked for Anastasia comes forward and tells people what actually goes on there now,or in the past,that people who have never worked for the company express doubts about what they're being told.

Large companies that are corrupt do survive and prosper,and don't get closed down,because that is the way of the world.

One only has to look at some of the large banks.

Crime pays in the modern world.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 08:37:29 PM
My wife tells me Anastasia is set up so there are two independent corps. The US based corp does nothing technically illegal these days and all blame is put on the Moscow corp. I am not versed in international law but would think it hard to sue a Russian company from overseas. Maybe shakespear has more detailed info as he mentioned he worked for them previously.

But they're not two independent 'corps'. The Moscow office is part of the company not a separate corporate entity so this doesn't hold water.

It is similar to the relationship between advertisers and ad agencies. Anastasia is aware that there is fraud from the agencies and looks the other way. Anastasia will even shut down agencies for fraud and abuse if someone catches them. They have an incentive to do so in fact as they can then fine the agency and keep commissions for itself making even more money. The agency will just reapply or reopen under a different name and is up and running again right away. This can go on for years and years without repercussions in marketing even here in the US.

You do realize how preposterous this reads, don't you? :chuckle: Do you believe a feeder or affiliate agency would just stand for being 'shut down' or Anastasia keeping commissions? How long do you think Anastasia would have any affiliate agencies dealing with them for?

My wife explained all this to me as she worked for an agency. Fraud was rampant. At one point Anastasia withheld 40k from the agency when they were caught red handed. Blame is shifted to those evil agencies in Ukraine, Anastasia pockets 40k and the agency owner just starts over.

Well, let's run with this scenario for a moment then; How is Anastasia to blame if they're withholding funds from an affiliate who is caught 'red handed' being fraudulant.  Seems like good business practice to withhold paying a company you've found being fraudulant, doesn't it?

Anastasia is not a government or police agency. They can't stop someone from restarting or going back into the same business if that person so chooses.

Sasha, these stories abound on the internet as well. They're urban legends. Half truths boiled in a large pot of gossip,sprinkled with a dash of internet crazy and served up on a big plate of forum debate with a side of disgrunteled employee or client.

It's like Shakey's class action lawsuit. I've no doubt he was there and testified but class action lawsuits don't mysteriously go away after a go ahead by a court. They're either dropped or settled.

Do you think that Anastasia's lawyers would be so stupid as to release 7500 some odd petitionors to file their own lawsuits or resubmit for another class action because they paid out just one guy who publically admitted he was doing it to blackmail Anastasia Inc.? Of course not. A court appointed litigation settlement administrator would have ensured that the persons who filed claims were contacted and the entitlement (their portion of the settlement) would have been transferred. Probably with some sort of legal document releasing the respondent from any further civil exposure.

Brass

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
Let's not mix words.  Basically you're calling me a liar.

I'm telling you I saw it with my own eyes.  I saw them do it HUNDREDS of TIMES.  On occasion, I actually deposited the mail in the post box at the Winchester KY post office with my own two hands.

They DIDN'T care if they were discovered.  Between them and European Connections they were the only game in town.  They were getting hundreds of inquiries from new male customers every week. Lose one, gain 12 more.  Screw the new 12, get 144 more.  It was a numbers game that involved getting as much money as possible as quickly as possible from each customer.  It's the same game they're playing now.

Let's talk about their Gentleman's Catalog.  They would charge men $100 to be included in a Gentleman's Catalog that would be distributed to women who attended their socials or were customers of their FSU feeder agencies.  The men would have a chance to write a profile and submit a picture.  The women would write to Anastasia's Winchester Office with the man's catalog number on the outside of the envelope and Anastasia was supposed to forward the letters on to the man.

Well, most of those reply letters ended up in the trash can.  I saw both Elena and David Besuden throw handfulls of them there.  Every once in a while a secretary who felt guilty would fish them out and send them on to the gentleman, but not often.  When I asked Elena about this she replied, "Why waste the postage?  We already have their money".

Something else I witnessed with my own two eyes.  Gonna call me a liar again?

Ok, let's not mince words. I wasn't calling you a liar but I will call you a low life scum if you were complicit in these acts as you've related them.

And at the end of the day, why didn't you do something about it then or it's back to my original point why was this never brought forward by clients or staff to the proper authorities/agencies at the time?

Brass




Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 09:01:02 PM
It always seems strange to me when someone who has actually worked for Anastasia comes forward and tells people what actually goes on there now,or in the past,that people who have never worked for the company express doubts about what they're being told.

Large companies that are corrupt do survive and prosper,and don't get closed down,because that is the way of the world.

One only has to look at some of the large banks.

Crime pays in the modern world.

At the time all this was supposed to be going on it was nowhere near the size it is now. More like a mom and pop small business.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
But they're not two independent 'corps'. The Moscow office is part of the company not a separate corporate entity so this doesn't hold water.

You may be correct, this is only what I was told.

You do realize how preposterous this reads, don't you? :chuckle: Do you believe a feeder or affiliate agency would just stand for being 'shut down' or Anastasia keeping commissions? How long do you think Anastasia would have any affiliate agencies dealing with them for?

This happens all the time in marketing and the affiliate world. Anastasia has a monopoly and has positioned themselves very well. I am sure they have the largest payouts. Would you rather make dollars or pennies per letter? If they shut you down do you go to the competition and make 5% of your previous income or sign up under a new name and make the big money again? You are arguing with someone who is very familiar with online marketing and is married to a woman that worked for an agency. She was offered manager position at a new branch in Kiev. But what do I know?  ;)

Well, let's run with this scenario for a moment then; How is Anastasia to blame if they're withholding funds from an affiliate who is caught 'red handed' being fraudulant.  Seems like good business practice to withhold paying a company you've found being fraudulant, doesn't it?

Anastasia is not a government or police agency. They can't stop someone from restarting or going back into the same business if that person so chooses.

Huh? Not sure you understood my post. Anastasia withholds commissions if the TOS if broken.
Of course the agency can go back into business. And what do you do if you are that agency? Do you send random letters do idiots overseas or do you signup with a company who controls the adwords, glossy pics, and brand recognition all over the web?

Sasha, these stories abound on the internet as well. They're urban legends. Half truths boiled in a large pot of gossip,sprinkled with a dash of internet crazy and served up on a big plate of forum debate with a side of disgrunteled employee or client.

Urban legends? HAHAHHA. Did you not read my post? My wife worked for an agency that fed into Anastasia for five years. She was offered a job as manager of a new location in Kiev. She was part reason the agency lost 40k. She and all the girls lost two months salary. She feared for her life. People do not walk away from 40k in Ukraine easily. I don't want to keep arguing but think man, think.

It's like Shakey's class action lawsuit. I've no doubt he was there and testified but class action lawsuits don't mysteriously go away after a go ahead by a court. They're either dropped or settled.

Do you think that Anastasia's lawyers would be so stupid as to release 7500 some odd petitionors to file their own lawsuits or resubmit for another class action because they paid out just one guy who publically admitted he was doing it to blackmail Anastasia Inc.? Of course not. A court appointed litigation settlement administrator would have ensured that the persons who filed claims were contacted and the entitlement (their portion of the settlement) would have been transferred. Probably with some sort of legal document releasing the respondent from any further civil exposure.

No idea about the class action and I am not an attorney. I am sure it could be done if some inside people came forward and a case was built over time but would probably be difficult.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 09:38:39 PM
Well, let's run with this scenario for a moment then; How is Anastasia to blame if they're withholding funds from an affiliate who is caught 'red handed' being fraudulant.  Seems like good business practice to withhold paying a company you've found being fraudulant, doesn't it?

My misunderstanding. I was excited  :)

Sure, I suppose it is good practice for Anastasia to keep the funds if there is fraud involved. They sure as hell do not return them to the customers though. Anastasia knows what is occurring. The top reps fly to Odessa and buddy up with the agency owners at events. They know these girls are married. They know many girls personally from parties, etc. "Can you ask so and so to participate in the bikini competition?"
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
This happens all the time in marketing and the affiliate world. Anastasia has a monopoly and has positioned themselves very well. I am sure they have the largest payouts. Would you rather make dollars or pennies per letter? If they shut you down do you go to the competition and make 5% of your previous income or sign up under a new name and make the big money again? You are arguing with someone who is very familiar with online marketing and is married to a woman that worked for an agency. She was offered manager position at a new branch in Kiev. But what do I know?  ;)

Would someone show me where Anastasia has shut down or even cut loose a feeder or affiliate agency for fraud or any nefarious activity then rehired them under a different name?

Huh? Not sure you understood my post. Anastasia withholds commissions if the TOS if broken.
Of course the agency can go back into business. And what do you do if you are that agency? Do you send random letters do idiots overseas or do you signup with a company who controls the adwords, glossy pics, and brand recognition all over the web?

Yes, I got it. My question was how does Anastasia end up being the bad guy if they've taken action like shutdown or stopped paying an affiliate/feeder for violation of their TOS? I note in your post above you've answered this.


Urban legends? HAHAHHA. Did you not read my post? My wife worked for an agency that fed into Anastasia for five years. She was offered a job as manager of a new location in Kiev. She was part reason the agency lost 40k. She and all the girls lost two months salary. She feared for her life. People do not walk away from 40k in Ukraine easily. I don't want to keep arguing but think man, think.

But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else?


Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 09:53:14 PM
Sure, I suppose it is good practice for Anastasia to keep the funds if there is fraud involved. They sure as hell do not return them to the customers though. Anastasia knows what is occurring. The top reps fly to Odessa and buddy up with the agency owners at events. They know these girls are married. They know many girls personally from parties, etc. "Can you ask so and so to participate in the bikini competition?"

Well, if they're not refunding their clients that is a different matter. I'm assuming the fraud is a married or otherwise insincere woman. Is that part of the customer agreement with Anastasia though - Meaning it should be but if it's not does this constitute Anastasia swindling it's clients or just bad customer service?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 09:58:35 PM
Would someone show me where Anastasia has shut down or even cut loose a feeder or affiliate agency for fraud or any nefarious activity then rehired them?

I dont have the letter from Anastasia, but my wife does. I don't really want to ask her to forward it to me and stir things up again but trust me it happened. The agency owner lost the 40k.
He was only fined in this case and not shut down. He has several companies setup to spread the risks. He loses one every now and then. Anastasia may not knowingly payout a rogue agency that signs up again but it happens. In my wife's agencies case I am sure it is overlooked. They are very large and have gorgeous women.

Yes, I got it. My question was how does Anastasia end up being the bad guy if they've taken action like shutdown or stopped paying an affiliate/feeder for violation of their TOS? I note in your post above you've answered this.

Good cop, bad cop.

But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else?

Anastasia held back the funds because the agency owner in this case was defrauding people. He was chatting with men while signed into different women's accounts. He screwed up a setting in the control panel and was caught. My wife's profile was one of the women.

Anastasia is aware of what is occurring. Like I said in my post above they know certain women, etc. They are in the middle of a menage a trois screwing both ends. They play the game and screw the agencies and terps. A letter has a small error and they fine the woman $10 when she is making half that translating it.

She feared the owner and his buddies. She is Ukrainian and tough as nails though.

By the way, her profile is up once again on one of the sister sites. Anastasia must have just missed that one, huh?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
I dont have the letter from Anastasia, but my wife does. I don't really want to ask her to forward it to me and stir things up again but trust me it happened. The agency owner lost the 40k.
He was only fined in this case and not shut down. He has several companies setup to spread the risks. He loses one every now and then. Anastasia may not knowingly payout a rogue agency that signs up again but it happens. In my wife's agencies case I am sure it is overlooked. They are very large and have gorgeous women.

No, I wouldn't bother, I believe you that the letter exists, anyways. However, I think you've hit the nail on the head with this aspect of the argument in that they (being Anastasia) may not knowingly pay out a rogue agency that signs up again. I suspect this is accurate, it makes no sense to do otherwise.


Anastasia held back the funds because the agency owner in this case was defrauding people. He was chatting with men while signed into different women's accounts. He screwed up a setting in the control panel and was caught. My wife's profile was one of the women.

Anastasia is aware of what is occurring. Like I said in my post above they know certain women, etc. They are in the middle of a menage a trois screwing both ends. They play the game and screw the agencies and terps. A letter has a small error and they fine the woman $10 when she is making half that translating it.

She feared the owner and his buddies. She is Ukrainian and tough as nails though.

By the way, her profile is up once again on one of the sister sites. Anastasia must have just missed that one, huh?

Have you or your wife contacted the agency to have it removed?

Well at least we've clarified it wasn't Anastasia Inc. or their actions she feared.

Sasha, one day (not now of course) when your wife is with you permenantly and safely settled I hope you can share the name of that agency with us. I'd like to know who it is. :)

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
It really is a great business idea if you don't mind screwing people.
I have seen smaller operations in Latin America using the same model. I could not do it.

No, I wouldn't bother, I believe you that the letter exists, anyways. However, I think you've hit the nail on the head with this aspect of the argument in that they (being Anastasia) may not knowingly pay out a rogue agency that signs up again. I suspect this is accurate, it makes no sense to do otherwise.

I would think that Anastasia would not let certain small agencies signup again if they were aware.
In the case of my wife's agency it is a symbiotic relationship. One has the women the other the high commissions. Sometimes a girl is cut loose when they are caught and the owner is chatting. The girl was scamming goes the story...

Have you or your wife contacted the agency to have it removed?

Well at least we've clarified it wasn't Anastasia Inc. or their actions she feared.

Sasha, one day (not now of course) when your wife is with you permenantly and safely settled I hope you can share the name of that agency with us. I'd like to know who it is. :)

Brass


We have not. I had it removed from the site several times already. We cannot keep playing whack-a mole.

My wife has been here in the US since late last year.  :)

A forum member asked me to share the name of the agency upthread. I asked my wife and she gave me a curious look. Women from the FSU do not like private details discussed...
She mentioned he had several companies. I will find a way to weasel it out. 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 09, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
I just asked her. She says two of the companies are called Dream Brides and Best Brides in Odessa.
Neither has a web page. They are just local companies setup in order for Anastasia to cut checks.

I showed her the profile of herself and she freaked out. I wonder what my wife will tell me from Odessa?

We already had her profile removed twice. It keeps popping up. Strange huh? Maybe just a sloppy vetting process on Anastasia's end. We cannot fault them if they are running a million dollar business and cannot keep unavailable women out of the database. Simple mistake I am sure.  :)

This is what you are up against if you use them guys.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 09, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
It really is a great business idea if you don't mind screwing people.
I have seen smaller operations in Latin America using the same model. I could not do it.

Well after page after page after page of wild and wacky narratives on this thread I thought someone had better step in and start asking for a little substantiation here. Some of these allegations/Anastasia war story's by some members are getting a little outlandish. :chuckle:

We have not. I had it removed from the site several times already. We cannot keep playing whack-a mole.

My wife has been here in the US since late last year.  :)

A forum member asked me to share the name of the agency upthread. I asked my wife and she gave me a curious look. Women from the FSU do not like private details discussed...
She mentioned he had several companies. I will find a way to weasel it out.

 Congratulations and good luck with the weaseling. ;D

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 10, 2012, 03:35:13 AM
The vast majority of these Ukrainian affiliate agencies,that are linked to the large western facing dating/marriage websites, don't have websites.

They don't want to get tracked down,as they don't want to risk irate foreign guys finding them.
So,apart from the enhanced earning potential they enjoy by being part of the Anastasia etc set-up,they can remain anonymous to foreign men/customers.

I've recently been informed there are 81 agencies in Poltava alone.

The sheer scale of the "marriage " agency corruption in Ukraine defies belief.

Anastasia,Dream-marriage,Hot Russian Brides/Russian Love match etc etc facilitate this large-scale deception/scam.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 07:48:29 AM
And one more to avoid. It is either owned by her former employer or is one of many Anastasia sites.

edenlady.com
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 07:52:13 AM
I just asked her. She says two of the companies are called Dream Brides and Best Brides in Odessa.
Neither has a web page. They are just local companies setup in order for Anastasia to cut checks.

I showed her the profile of herself and she freaked out. I wonder what my wife will tell me from Odessa?

We already had her profile removed twice. It keeps popping up. Strange huh? Maybe just a sloppy vetting process on Anastasia's end. We cannot fault them if they are running a million dollar business and cannot keep unavailable women out of the database. Simple mistake I am sure.  :)

This is what you are up against if you use them guys.

Well not quite, Sasha. Both DreamBrides and Best Brides are found on the internet. Granted Best Brides is found on a website amongst a number of other affiliated agencies called 'Letter Order Brides' but it's there (11th company on the list) with an address and phone number...

http://www.letter-order-brides.com/our_affiliates.html

http://www.dreambrides.net/

However, you have a legitimate complaint regarding your wife's profile popping up on whatever agency it is popping up on and should continue to pursue having it removed. I know some members here have had similar problems with agencies being slow or failing to remove their loved one's profiles. Maybe start a topic asking how/if they got them removed.

And one more to avoid. It is either owned by her former employer or is one of many Anastasia sites.

edenlady.com

Again, posting an agency website and advising it needs to be avoided isn't good enough. You need to substantiate the warning, Sasha.

So far a lot of what you've posted is not accurate or it's subjective. In otherwords you just plain don't like Anatasia Inc. It's OK to post an opinion but it's not substantive information.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 08:33:42 AM
OK, let's not mince words. I wasn't calling you a liar but I will call you a low life scum if you were complicit in these acts as you've related them.

And at the end of the day, why didn't you do something about it then or it's back to my original point why was this never brought forward by clients or staff to the proper authorities/agencies at the time? 


Yes, I guess you could say I was complicit by association.  But I did do something.  I quit and became one of the most vocal and outspoken opponents of Anastasia on the internet.

Report to government authorities?  Winchester KY is a pretty small town.  At the time Anastasia was one of the three biggest sources of tax revenue for the city.  They had hired all the right attorneys and made friends with all the right people. 

Check the archives of some of the old groups on yahoo or the old St John's group.  Elena Besuden threatened to sue me dozens of times because as she claimed, I was spreading lies.  Lawsuit never came.  Hard to sue somebody you know is telling the truth.

To this day she'll claim she's never heard of me and that I never worked for the company.  But the collection of W-9 tax forms I still have in my possession prove otherwise.     

I know these people Brass.  I've been around them for hundreds of hours.  I've stayed as a guest in their homes.  I've heard them speak of the disdain they have for their customers.  That might have changed in the past 10+ years, but I don't think so . . . . . . . .

Here you go Brass.  From one of their Fall 1997 catalogs.  How much to you think publicity like this was worth to Anastasia?  I spoke with a couple hundred guys who were on the bubble about taking one of their tours about how great everything was.  For every one that signed up, I got a financial bonus.  I'm a pretty successful salesman. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 08:36:10 AM
Well not quite, Sasha. Both DreamBrides and Best Brides are found on the internet. Granted Best Brides is found on a website amongst a number of other affiliated agencies called 'Letter Order Brides' but it's there (11th company on the list) with an address and phone number...

http://www.letter-order-brides.com/our_affiliates.html

http://www.dreambrides.net/


Number eleven in the first link may be the one the the companies.

I do not believe the second link is related in any way. I am sure there is a number of variations and multiple use of that name in Ukraine.

Again, posting an agency website and advising it needs to be avoided isn't good enough. You need to substantiate the warning, Sasha.

So far a lot of what you've posted is not accurate or it's subjective. In otherwords you just plain don't like Anatasia Inc. It's OK to post an opinion but it's not substantive information.

My wife's profile is on the site as well as several of her friends who signed up at one point. They are married or have boyfriends or were never looking. Looks like the top women are used to drive traffic to Anastasia.

I am indifferent to Anastasia, not going to waste my time trying to take them down. Feel free to think what you want. I am married so does not matter to me what agency guys use.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 08:47:02 AM
At the time all this was supposed to be going on it was nowhere near the size it is now. More like a mom and pop small business.

Brass

In the two years I worked there, this "mom & pop" business had NET profit of over $500 thousand each year.  That was after paying each Besuden $10,000 per month salary.  That would be in 1997 and 1998.  Not bad for 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else? 

Who does a criminal who has become a victim of crime by another criminal report that crime to?  The police?

I'm not dealing in firsthand knowledge about Anastasia on this topic, but I have been told by several different local agency owners that often times the large international agencies hold their subordinate agencies hostage by their commission checks.  The payment is always made several weeks or even months in arrears.  It is not an uncommon event for the subordinate agency to get paid much less than what they expected.  What do you do?  Go to the police?  Heck no.  You call the person up and try to find out what is going on.  Once he tells you, how you were paid and that's all the money you are going to receive, you have two choices, accept it and continue to make money or refuse and get zero money. 

What option do you think post agencies choose?  The civil court system in the FSU is without question one of the most corrupt in the world.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 09:05:28 AM
But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else? 
I'm not dealing in firsthand knowledge about Anastasia on this topic, but I have been told by several different local agency owners that often times the large international agencies hold their subordinate agencies hostage by their commission checks.  The payment is always made several weeks or even months in arrears.  It is not an uncommon event for the subordinate agency to get paid much less than what they expected.  What do you do?  Go to the police?  Heck no.  You call the person up and try to find out what is going on.  Once he tells you, how you were paid and that's all the money you are going to receive, you have two choices, accept it and continue to make money or refuse and get zero money. 

Correct. And the agencies hold the interpreters and women hostage and keep payment several months in arrears. Fines for alleged discrepancies that did not occur is common practice with Anastasia.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 09:25:05 AM
OK, let's not mince words. I wasn't calling you a liar but I will call you a low life scum if you were complicit in these acts as you've related them.

And at the end of the day, why didn't you do something about it then or it's back to my original point why was this never brought forward by clients or staff to the proper authorities/agencies at the time? 


Yes, I guess you could say I was complicit by association.  But I did do something.  I quit and became one of the most vocal and outspoken opponents of Anastasia on the internet.

Report to government authorities?  Winchester KY is a pretty small town.  At the time Anastasia was one of the three biggest sources of tax revenue for the city.  They had hired all the right attorneys and made friends with all the right people. 

Check the archives of some of the old groups on yahoo or the old St John's group.  Elena Besuden threatened to sue me dozens of times because as she claimed, I was spreading lies.  Lawsuit never came.  Hard to sue somebody you know is telling the truth.

To this day she'll claim she's never heard of me and that I never worked for the company.  But the collection of W-9 tax forms I still have in my possession prove otherwise.     

I know these people Brass.  I've been around them for hundreds of hours.  I've stayed as a guest in their homes.  I've heard them speak of the disdain they have for their customers.  That might have changed in the past 10+ years, but I don't think so . . . . . . . .

Here you go Brass.  From one of their Fall 1997 catalogs.  How much to you think publicity like this was worth to Anastasia?  I spoke with a couple hundred guys who were on the bubble about taking one of their tours about how great everything was.  For every one that signed up, I got a financial bonus.  I'm a pretty successful salesman.

I can't log into the archives (St John's U List) I need to be a member and I'm not nor do I intend to be.

So what's the end result then; you claim foul, Elena (Anastasia Inc.) claims foul. Everybody claims the other's not telling the truth and no one, I mean no one, comes up with a thread of corroborating material.

Just prove it. One piece of corroborating material...yourself for instance; put it to bed...link a topic somewhere where Elena has stated you never worked for them then capture one of your W slips and post it sans sensitive info, of course...year, name and company. Hell just year and company the fact you're in possession of the W slip itself would be enough, you know.

But it's not just you. I've perused hundreds of complaints of scam (Anastasia) on the internet now and a good number of them are from the same group of people plastering their complaints wherever they can. Nearly all except for the most mundane of customer service type complaints are unsubstantiated (I want my money back because I didn't get married kinda stuff) and if you dig a little deeper into these complaints you find that the company did try to some degree to address the issue in a good deal of the cases.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 09:49:41 AM
In the two years I worked there, this "mom & pop" business had NET profit of over $500 thousand each year.  That was after paying each Besuden $10,000 per month salary.  That would be in 1997 and 1998.  Not bad for 15 years ago.

Tell you what. You first establish that you infact worked for the company and would have had knowledge of their finances then you can start posting what their net profits and pay scales were or this is just more indictment claimed by another guy with "inside" knowledge and the inet is awash with people claiming to have inside knowledge of Anastasia.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 09:51:53 AM
But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else? 
I'm not dealing in firsthand knowledge about Anastasia on this topic, but I have been told by several different local agency owners that often times the large international agencies hold their subordinate agencies hostage by their commission checks.  The payment is always made several weeks or even months in arrears.  It is not an uncommon event for the subordinate agency to get paid much less than what they expected.  What do you do?  Go to the police?  Heck no.  You call the person up and try to find out what is going on.  Once he tells you, how you were paid and that's all the money you are going to receive, you have two choices, accept it and continue to make money or refuse and get zero money. 

Correct. And the agencies hold the interpreters and women hostage and keep payment several months in arrears. Fines for alleged discrepancies that did not occur is common practice with Anastasia.

And this answers my question(s), how?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
But again, how does your wife's actions or (I'm assuming) illegal activities at this agency equate to Anastasia being the bad guy? Was Anastasia part and parcel of the illegal activities or did they hold back the 40K as a result of the illegal activities?

Who or what made your wife fear for her life - Was it Anastasia Inc or something else? 
I'm not dealing in firsthand knowledge about Anastasia on this topic, but I have been told by several different local agency owners that often times the large international agencies hold their subordinate agencies hostage by their commission checks.  The payment is always made several weeks or even months in arrears.  It is not an uncommon event for the subordinate agency to get paid much less than what they expected.  What do you do?  Go to the police?  Heck no.  You call the person up and try to find out what is going on.  Once he tells you, how you were paid and that's all the money you are going to receive, you have two choices, accept it and continue to make money or refuse and get zero money. 

Correct. And the agencies hold the interpreters and women hostage and keep payment several months in arrears. Fines for alleged discrepancies that did not occur is common practice with Anastasia.

And this answers my question(s), how?

Brass

How do agencies hold employees and women hostage? They withhold payments, they pay them less than promised, they keep them starving so they have to keep going. Women are made to do things they may not normally do because they are put in a bad place. It trickles down from the top. Anastasia to agencies to managers, terps, etc.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
Tell you what. You first establish that you infact worked for the company and would have had knowledge of their finances then you can start posting what their net profits and pay scales were or this is just more indictment claimed by another guy with "inside" knowledge and the inet is awash with people claiming to have inside knowledge of Anastasia. 

OK.  Here is my original accusation on the old RWL-St John, the original response by Elena Besuden herself and my response to her defense.  She didn't reply aftyer that.  Wonder why?

You're an old cop Brass.  Funny how my story has stayed remarkably consistant over the past 12-13 years.  The truth has a habit of behaving that way. 

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Subject:  ANASTASIA AGENCY - Let the Buyer Beware
 
From:  Ed Norton - <lifeinthesewer@HOTMAIL.COM>
 
Reply-To: Ed Norton - <lifeinthesewer@HOTMAIL.COM>
 
Date:  Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:27:22 GMT
 
Those of you that are considering utilizing the services of Anastasia
located in Winchester Kentucky or Scanna (they are now operated by the same
management) please do so at your own risk.

I know for a fact that this agency will not provide you the services that
they promise to deliver.  Their only mission is to "wring every last dime"
possible out of the poor unfortunate client that makes the mistake to
utilize their services at the least expense to the company.

I know for a fact that if you have advertised in their "Gentleman's
Catalog" in the past, you got screwed.  Two former employees have
independently confirmed to me that Elena Besuden routinely throws away the
majority of response letters received from R/U women to ads placed in the
Gentleman's Catalog.  When asked why she said "I don't want to spent the
time sorting them or the postage expense mailing them out."  That's a direct
quote.

Usually she will open the letters first, and if the girl is attractive and
has "market value", she will keep the photo and contract information for her
next catalog to be sold for profit. Then she will throw away the letter
without delivering it to the man it was intended for.  But don't despair -
its not all in vain.  Gentlemen, rest assured that if your paid for an ad in
one of their "Gentlemen's Catalogs", your name and address was sold to
several other Russian agencies - the profits being retained by Anastasia.

And how about their express mail service?  $3.00 per letter so that they can
be sent in bulk to Russia by insured Express Mail to their Moscow office and
then handled by the Russian Postal system to increase their chance of timely
delivery.  Forget that.  They slap a $.60 stamp on those and drop them in
the mail in Winchester Kentucky.  Both former employees confirmed that as
fact as well.

And their catalogs - tons of beautiful women - right?  Well guys the
majority of them just aren't real.  Elena just buys the photos from small
agencies in Russia.  Pays about $3-5 apiece for them.  Complete with the
phony mail-drop address.  Then when guys who buy the addresses complain
about not getting any responses, Elena organizes a group of ladies in Russia
that will write and mail initial return responses to gentlemen - making them
believe the addresses are good.  Both former employees confirmed this too.

And their tours - a great value for about $3500 right.  Forget that.  To
start of- they "require" that you purchase your visa from them - at a cost
of $250.  Experienced Moscow visitors will tell you that if you are staying
in a hotel, you should be able to obtain your visa yourself at the Russian
embassy for a cost of $70.  Another "special" service they offer their lucky
tour participants.

And those luxury accommodations at the Hotel Rossiya.  Check the link
below:  http://www.hotelsrussia.com/moscow/rossiya/   The cost for anyone to
book a room at Hotel Rossiya is about $65 per night - but Anastasia doubles
that for their fortunate tour participants.  They mark-up" the airfare about
$300 per ticket as well.  Such a deal!

And their wonderful hospitality suite which they prominently advertise -
consists of a small hotel room with a stack of old catalogs.  Most of the
ladies there are no longer available, but heck - you have "free unlimited
access" to the information.  What more do you need?  Go ahead - knock
yourself out!

I guess the biggest "scam" of all is the portrayal of David and Elena
Besuden as a "happily married couple for life".  Yea right- if you
believe that let me tell you the one about the three bears.  Elena and David
only lived together as husband and wife for about 6 months after their
marriage in 1993.  In 1995, Elena moved to New York because she wanted to
get away from David.  Why?  Well - it just might have something to do with
the fact that David is in his late 50's and Elena in her late 20's.  Nothing
like a 30-year age difference to build a solid marriage.  :-)

Elena has a boyfriend named Dan Sykes.  They have been together for over
four years.  They met in a Moscow bar during one of Anastasia's
tours.  You know, when Elena was supposed to be (as the catalog boast)
"providing personalized attention and inside knowledge of Russian women to
every client".  Upon their return they lived together in a house on Johnson
Avenue in Long Island.  Recently Elena and Dan have moved back to Winchester
so they can exert more direct control over the company.  Apparently David
wasen't "milking" the clients for enough profit.  Greedy Elena wanted more.
Rumor has it that she wants to force her "loving husband" David out of the
business and run it herself.  Why else would she insist that David
personally guarantee the bank note to purchase Scanna (we understand for
$35,000) leaving Elena and Anastasia "off the hook".  Looks like some shaddy
business deals there.

Guys- the only reason they are staying together is because they feel it
would negatively impact their business if the truth were known.  They
haven't lived together as "man & wife" for the past six years!  David
Besuden himself has been under the direct care of a psychiatrist for the
past two years.  He is in a deep depression over the state of his marriage
and needs powerful drugs to control this depression.

In summary - avoid this agency at all costs.  Their whole purpose is to
"soak" their clients for every last cent they can.  They are dishonest as
the day is long.  You will be wasting your time and money to be dealing with
them.

Just call me -
"Deep Throat"

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
 Subject:  Reply to Jack Bragg, Ed Norton, Deep Troat, Sweaty Guy, Cheap Boy whatever
 
From:  Elena <Elena@xxxxxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Reply-To:  Elena <Elena@xxxxxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Date:  Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:48:38 -0500

The truth will set you free Jack, DeepThroat, whatever - it will not make
you happy.

Every one of your insinuations is a lie. Our office doors has been open for
our clients since 1993 - every one can come in and see how we operate. None
of the stuff you say happens, is going on here.

Our Expess Mail goes out twice a week, Monday & Friday. We have receipts to
show it has been always done that way.

Our Gentlemen's Catalog clients receive 20-200 letters, often more. And
they apreciate it. Over 30% choose pay us to run their ad again.

There is no reason for us to steal women from anywhere - we get over 300
new letters a week. We only select 100 of the best ones.

We have more beautiful women then any other agency. And we sell their phone
numbers unlike 95% of agencies in this business. You can call these girls &
verify they are there.

We have more models & beauty peagent winners - and we will have more and
more - that's what our clients are looking for. And guess what? We just got
a call from a major US modeling agency. They will be visiting our socials
regularly from now on, scouting for new faces. Which means there will be
even more beautifuil girls for our clients - but none for you, Jack.

And our socials this year will be held in 5-star Metropol hotel, the most
prestigious location in Moscow. Both of our April tours are almost full.
There are very few people out there who are interested in what you have to
say.

Their own experiences with us are the best proof to them, not your dirty
lies. Is that what's bothers you - that no one cares for your postings?

Your two "former employees" you basing your "reports" on nearly ruined our
company by stealing our data and selling it to our competitors. They have
been reported to our local police and are still under watch by Federal
Authorities Computer Crime unit also, since the data they stole crossed the
state lines. We have a full confession from one of them. So I would
recommend for you not to get them involved. They will not thank you for it.

If you have any concerns about the postings you see here, or anywhere else
about Anastasia, please drop me a line at Elena@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com and help
us build a case against this person. Your effort will definitely be
rewarded.

Thank you
Elena Besuden

Hi by the way, David and I just celebrated our 8th Anniversary. Call him -
ask about Jack Bragg (xxxxxxxxxx) and he'll tell you the whole truth.
Sorry, he does not know how to answer e-mails, he does not know the
computer yet, he just started the computer courses.
 
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Subject:  Anastasia - Just The Facts
 
From:  Ed Norton - <lifeinthesewer@HOTMAIL.COM>
 
Reply-To:  Ed Norton - <lifeinthesewer@HOTMAIL.COM>
 
Date:  Mon, 15 May 2000 12:36:34 GMT
 
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to the post by Elena Besuden in
which she so feebly attempts to defend the actions of her agency.  Her
comments were flippant, ridiculous and avoided answering most of the
accusations against her agency.  She can kick and scream and call me a
"dirty liar" all she wants - but this doesn't change the facts of the
situation.

OK - lets address her "comments" one by one:

>>>Our Express Mail goes out twice a week, Monday & Friday. We have
receipts to  show it has been always done that way.<<<

I'm sure it does NOW (after you've been caught).  Explain this then - I
used your Express Mail service in the past to send letters to my then
fiancee and now x-wife.  Funny how when she showed me the envelopes in which
my letters were sent, they all contained $1.00 in US postage stamps with a
postmark of "Winchester KY" or a metered mail imprint for $1.00 with a
Winchester KY imprint.  I have the envelopes.  Explain that please!

I also understand that on the August 1998 tour, several other of your tour
participants discovered the same thing and raised quite a stink with your
Tour Director Dan Sykes.

>>>Our Gentlemen's Catalog clients receive 20-200 letters, often more. And
>>>they appreciate it. Over 30% choose pay us to run their ad again.
There is no reason for us to steal women from anywhere - we get over 300 new
letters a week. We only select 100 of the best ones.<<<

I have been in your office and PERSONALLY heard David direct his employees
to throw away letters intended for men that placed adds in the Gentleman's
Catalog.  I have PERSONALLY seen David open these letters, examine
photographs, keep the "pretty ones" and throw away the others.  Three of
your former employees have confirmed to me that this was a standard practice
and not a "unusual occurrence"

>>>We have more beautiful women then any other agency. And we sell their
phone numbers unlike 95% of agencies in this business. You can call
these girls & verify they are there.  We have more models & beauty pageant
winners - and we will have more and more - that's what our clients are
looking for. And guess what? We just got a call from a major US modeling
agency. They will be visiting our socials regularly from now on, scouting
for new faces. Which means there will be even more beautiful girls for our
clients - but none for you, Jack.<<<

How LUCKY FOR THE GIRLS that they can attend the socials to further their
modeling careers RATHER than attend for the purpose of meeting a serious AM
for a long-term relationship.  This makes me sick.

It's all about beauty with you and Anastasia isn't it?  Beautiful girls
generate more sales and thereby sell more addresses and return more profit
to your company.  Your company cares nothing if the resulting marriage is
successful or not.  Your own words have made my point better than I could
have ever done myself.  Anyone reading your statement above that STILL
believes your agency is serious about helping men find a long-term
relationship is deluded.

Everyone is well aware of your relationship with Vesta-Fortune.  They are
the actual "recruiter" of models, street prostitutes and other potential
scammers that frequent your socials.  I know first hand that Anastasia has
recently raised the cost to attend a social from $250 to $400.  Heck for
that kind of cash, I could cruise the nightclubs and fleshpots of Moscow,
perhaps find 3-4 of the same "ladies" that might well be attending your
social the next day - contract a "financial arrangement" with them and have
change left over from my $400.  Why bother with the formality of a "social"?
  :-)

>>>And our socials this year will be held in 5-star Metropol hotel, the
most prestigious location in Moscow. Both of our April tours are almost
full.  There are very few people out there who are interested in what you
have to say.  Their own experiences with us are the best proof to them, not
your dirty lies. Is that what's bothers you - that no one cares for your
postings?<<<

Yes as PT Barnum used to say, "There is a sucker born every minute".  And
for the majority of them; 9-months after they return and discover that the
girl they proposed to on your "tour" only used them to get to the USA, they
will have discovered the truth about your agency.  I notice that you did not
respond to the accusations about the usurious markups on visa, hotels and
airfare by Anastasia.  Silence is acceptance and therefore those accusations
are now assumed true.  People should know that you make between $1500-$2000
per tour participant.  Don't kid yourself Elena.  Many people care.

>>>The two "former employees" you basing your "reports" on nearly ruined
our company by stealing our data and selling it to our competitors. They
have been reported to our local police and are still under watch by Federal
Authorities Computer Crime unit also, since the data they stole crossed the
state lines. We have a full confession from one of them. So I would
recommend for you not to get them involved. They will not thank you for
it.<<<

The other FOUR former employees I have spoken with don't know anything
about your mailing list.  But they sure know all about the fraudulent
practices and scams perpetrated by your agency at you and David's
direction. I don't think you REALLY want them to be testifying in open court
do you Elena?  Besides, they may just have to testify about your "creative"
accounting practices.

Lie you way out of all these facts Elena.  Or sue if you must.  But I
don't think you will find a lawyer that will take the case.  Remember, in
law, "the truth is an absolute defense".  Before they accept a case, lawyers
usually want some chance of prevailing in court  :-)

"Deep Throat"



 
 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 10:25:49 AM
Number eleven in the first link may be the one the the companies.

I do not believe the second link is related in any way. I am sure there is a number of variations and multiple use of that name in Ukraine.

Well Dream Brides is the name you came up with not me. I'm showing you that there is a website called DreamBrides.

My wife's profile is on the site as well as several of her friends who signed up at one point. They are married or have boyfriends or were never looking. Looks like the top women are used to drive traffic to Anastasia.

I am indifferent to Anastasia, not going to waste my time trying to take them down. Feel free to think what you want. I am married so does not matter to me what agency guys use.

Like I posted if you're wife's profile is still being posted then you have a legitimate complaint. However, you keep shifting you're story regarding you're wife's profile and now you've included her friends profiles as well to again tie Anastasia to some alleged nefarious activity. It's getting less credible.

You are not indifferent to Anastasia. Your messages on this topic show otherwise.  :chuckle:

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 10:47:30 AM
Number eleven in the first link may be the one the the companies.

I do not believe the second link is related in any way. I am sure there is a number of variations and multiple use of that name in Ukraine.

Well Dream Brides is the name you came up with not me. I'm showing you that there is a website called DreamBrides.

That does not mean they are the same company. It may be, I am just not certain on that one. Not sure how it works in Canada but here in the US there are many corporations with very similar names. Go to the Florida corporation link below and use the "search our records" feature. Type in a common sounding company name and see how many come up.

http://sunbiz.org

Like I posted if you're wife's profile is still being posted then you have a legitimate complaint. However, you keep shifting you're story regarding you're wife's profile and now you've included her friends profiles as well to again tie Anastasia to some alleged nefarious activity. It's getting less credible.

Her profile is posted. We looked into the site a bit as she was upset and several of her friends are there as well without consent. There is no shifting story. Anybody can believe what I say or not if they choose.

Lets pretend that what I and the other posters who are informed (shakespear, chelseaboy, etc) are completely fabricating Anastasia's involvement in fraudulent activities.
Should a man use their services to find a wife after all the pitfalls with agencies are shown?

Out of curiosity Brass, are you in any way affiliated with Anastasia or are you just looking for hard evidence? If the latter I understand, I am the same way.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 11:02:49 AM
How do agencies hold employees and women hostage? They withhold payments, they pay them less than promised, they keep them starving so they have to keep going. Women are made to do things they may not normally do because they are put in a bad place. It trickles down from the top. Anastasia to agencies to managers, terps, etc.

Turnaround between companies is a routine procedure. I myself sometimes don't get paid for services rendered for 30 days or more.

You've segued an unrelated discussion regarding how does a company that holds back payment for breaking the terms of thier TOS/fraudulant activity into just another unsubstantiated sermon and I'm not buying it.

You've just clearly shown you do have an agenda here.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 10, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
I'm not buying it.

That's your choice and you are free to believe what you want. No sweat off my cojones.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
That does not mean they are the same company. It may be, I am just not certain on that one. Not sure how it works in Canada but here in the US there are many corporations with very similar names. Go to the Florida corporation link below and use the "search our records" feature. Type in a common sounding company name and see how many come up.

Well when you can positively show that this agency is not the agency by the exact name you originally claimed did not have a website you get back to me. Otherwise, you've been shown that infact DreamBride does have a website contrary to what you've stated.



Her profile is posted. We looked into the site a bit as she was upset and several of her friends are there as well without consent. There is no shifting story. Anybody can believe what I say or not if they choose.

Lets pretend that what I and the other posters who are informed (shakespear, chelseaboy, etc) are completely fabricating Anastasia's involvement in fraudulent activities.
Should a man use their services to find a wife after all the pitfalls with agencies are shown?

Out of curiosity Brass, are you in any way affiliated with Anastasia or are you just looking for hard evidence? If the latter I understand, I am the same way.

Let's start with your premise that you or the others are 'informed'. At no point have you or the others actually produced anything (at anytime) other than voicing/typing your dislike towards Anastasia Inc. Let's be clear on that point.

But you haven't shown pitfalls, no one has, just a bunch of unsubstantiated  messages again conveying your dislike of Anastasia. The rest is basically nasty conjecture.

Do you see me tagged as a commercial member? I've stepped in here because some of  the messages on this topic are becoming nonsensical in their content. Reality check boys.  Time to stop fantasizing about Anastasia and bring the discussion back to Earth.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Tom Cat on August 10, 2012, 11:28:26 AM
Back in 2005 I used Anastasia with good results, but I also took communication off site, as well as on site.
  2005 you were not allowed to attach any photos with  your letters.
I just asked the lady for her home address, so that I  could send her some photos.
The majority of the time they gave me their home address.
I sent photos, with attached letter  containing my personal contact information.
I then could communicate off site.When I knew for sure I was writing  a real lady I still would Use Anastasia when I wanted correct translation.
Back then electronic translation was terrible.
Now the same thing can be done by sending a small personal gift from your home city.
The girls love little things like that.
Is less cost than phone calls or sending over priced flowers , and will make a better impression with the lady.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 11:57:01 AM
Tell you what. You first establish that you infact worked for the company and would have had knowledge of their finances then you can start posting what their net profits and pay scales were or this is just more indictment claimed by another guy with "inside" knowledge and the inet is awash with people claiming to have inside knowledge of Anastasia. 

OK.  Here is my original accusation on the old RWL-St John, the original response by Elena Besuden herself and my response to her defense.  She didn't reply aftyer that.  Wonder why?

You're an old cop Brass.  Funny how my story has stayed remarkably consistant over the past 12-13 years.  The truth has a habit of behaving that way. 


...Shakey, unless I've missed it, nowhere  do you state you're a former employee of Anastasia and nowhere does Elena state you (Shakey) are not a former employee. You weren't mentioned as far as I can see, she thinks you're Jack Bragg.

Do you still have the envelopes with the stamps and postmarks you mentioned in your response? You can attach them here. That'd be pretty substantive. Out of curiosity if you were aware that they were messing with the letters (former employee at the time), why'd you send yours through the same system?

There's more but this really doesn't address the issue of you establishing being an employee of Anastasia and Elena denying you worked there, does it?

Brass





 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: NS1 on August 10, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Brasscasing, It is obvious what those who are posting think of A web.
If you disagree with them, I only have question. Based on your experience here.
Would you recommend this agency to any one beginning this search?

Actually another good question. What would be the top three agency's you would recommend?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
Do you still have the envelopes with the stamps and postmarks you mentioned in your response? You can attach them here. That'd be pretty substantive. Out of curiosity if you were aware that they were messing with the letters (former employee at the time), why'd you send yours through the same system?

There's more but this really doesn't address the issue of you establishing being an employee of Anastasia and Elena denying you worked there, does it? 

Nope.  All that stuff went in the trash when I re-married in 2002.

But I'm pretty sure I still do have a couple of the W-9 forms in my old tax records.  Can't guarantee after 12-13 years. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Do you still have the envelopes with the stamps and postmarks you mentioned in your response? You can attach them here. That'd be pretty substantive. Out of curiosity if you were aware that they were messing with the letters (former employee at the time), why'd you send yours through the same system?

There's more but this really doesn't address the issue of you establishing being an employee of Anastasia and Elena denying you worked there, does it? 

Nope.  All that stuff went in the trash when I re-married in 2002.

But I'm pretty sure I still do have a couple of the W-9 forms in my old tax records.  Can't guarantee after 12-13 years.

Sure, on the backboard if you want (privacy) I'll confirm here.

Brass

edit: Also, would you clarify for me what years you were working for Anastasia because up in the trainwreck room you state:

'96- you were living in Ohio, sent away for a catalogue and got hooked ,

 '97- went on a tour found your then wife.

 '98- then wife arrived and a new job in Cincinatti, Ohio and but I don't see a mention of being employed by Anastasia or living in Kentucky. 

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=3606.msg40731#msg40731

Could be wrong it was just a quick perusal.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
Sure, on the backboard if you want (privacy) I'll confirm here.

Let me look this weekend and see what I can find.

BTW, forgot to mention, the letters with postmarks and cancellations I had were other men's letters they'd turned over to me after I publicly exposed the scam.  They were submitted as evidence in the class certification hearing.  Never saw them again.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 12:22:20 PM
Here is another message I thought might interest the readers of this thread.

This should help establish a timeline.

Subject:  News About Anastasia Agency
 
From:  Brad Sharp <db4363@xxxxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Reply-To:  Brad Sharp <db4363@xxxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Date:  Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:39:31 -0400
 
Just got off the phone with a lady named Michelle B*******.  At one time
she was the Office Manager for Anastasia Agency back when their offices
were located in Winchester, Ky.

She informed me at David Besuden, former husband of Elena Besuden was
found dead in his home this weekend of an apparent suicide.  The funeral and
burial was today.

For those who aren't familiar with the situation, David married Elena (who was
from Peter) back in the mid 1990's and they only lived together as a married
couple for a short time.  They co-founded the Anastasia Agency and
pretended to be a happily married couple in their agency advertising long after
they'd been separated and Elena was living with her new boyfriend Dan Sikes. 
Some years ago Elena wanted to buy David's interest in the agency and she
made an offer to pay of David's mortgage, pay him a salary and a percentage
of any profits generated by the tours sponsored by the agency.  Dave
accepted the offer and Elena moved the agency to Bangor Maine.  Right from
the start, Elena didn't pay David the salary she agreed to pay him (she'd pay
one month and then wouldn't pay for 5-6 months then pay for one month
again - you get the idea).

David was desperate for money as he didn't have enough income to support
himself.  He tried everything he could through the legal and court system but
was unable to get them to enforce the contract.  Friends reported that
recently he'd been in a depression.

David was a simple man who was a pioneer in the process of seeking a bride
from the FSU.  He didn't deserve all the pain, lies and evil that Elena brought
into his life.  RIP David.           

 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 10, 2012, 12:40:34 PM
Interesting exchange.  I reveal plans about the comapny's move to Maine and Elena denies it.

Of course, we all know what actually happened . . . . . . .

So much for her veracity and credibility when it comes to the written word . . . . . .  :nod: 

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Subject:  Anastasia (Winchester KY) Moving?
 
From:  "Bradley W. Sharp" <db4363@xxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Reply-To:  Bradley W. Sharp
 
Date:  Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:27:14 -0400
 
I heard from a pretty reputable source that Anastasia International (out of
Winchester Kentucky) was going to be moving to a location in the state of
Maine.

They are moving into a 150 year old home where Elena Besuden and her live-in
boyfriend Dan Sykes can both live and run their business.

Oh, by the way, David Besuden (Elena's husband) knows nothing about this -
yet.

I sure wouldn't want them holding MY tour deposit money in light of the
likelihood of a pending legal battle regarding control of the company.  It
might just "disappear" to Maine along with the rest of the company.

Avoid doing business with this company under all circumstances.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Subject:  Anastasia (RussianBride) Moving?
 
From:  Elena <Elena@xxxxxxxxxxxx.COM>
 
Reply-To:  Elena@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com
 
Date:  Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:46:55 -0500
 
Dear list participants

This is Elena Besuden, on behalf of Anastasia Intl (russianbride.com).

I would just like to address recently posted comment about the possibility of our company
moving to a new location.

Our business has been located in Winchester, KY for 7 years now and have NO PLANS to move
anywhere in any foreseeable future.  Our company is going stronger then ever with more updates
(100 ladies posted on the site every week), more catalogs (over 330 ladies every 2 months) and
more tours. Please note that 3 of our locations (Moscow, St. Petersburg & Odessa) were sold out
in both April and June several weeks prior to departure. If you are still hoping to join us in August,
please call in for your reservations very soon. Our socials are now held in the most prestigious
locations in town (which attracts many more quality ladies): Metropol hotel in Moscow and Hollywood
Nights club on Nevskiy Prospect in St. Petersburg. We also prepared a very special treat for our
Odessa August tour participants - the socials will be held in a Las-Vegas style 4-star restaurant
with live entertainment & a PRIVATE BEACH!

Thank you
Elena Besuden
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 10, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
Brasscasing, It is obvious what those who are posting think of A web.
If you disagree with them, I only have question. Based on your experience here.
Would you recommend this agency to any one beginning this search?

Actually another good question. What would be the top three agency's you would recommend?

 And get accused of being a shill, I think not. :chuckle:

I step into topics where the crusaders, program looped and discussion gets silly, persecutory or out of control as it's done here.

For myself, I see good and bad in several avenues of this endeavor.It depends on what one is comfortable with.  :)

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Donhollio on August 10, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
  Interesting stuff there fellas. I used them, (or they used me) to the tune of about $400 USD. I did however manage to contact four of the twelve girls, and I remain friends with one of them to this very day. Shit agency, you bet, yet I am happy to have found a friend for almost a decade now.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: John Petaca on August 11, 2012, 12:10:39 PM
Hello BRASSCASING

The brass is obtained from an alloy of copper and zinc.
With copper wires are made. These serve to conduct electrical current.
With zinc coated steel. Prevents oxidation.
Your driver you feel?
Do you protect yourself from oxidation?

You, here present yourself as a tough guy. With much experience and attitude a bit aggressive. Just a little.
Behind the curtain, I think there's another man.
There is probably a sweet and attentive husband. There is a sensitive and loving father. There is a tender grandfather.

From reading your posts, if we separate the wheat from the chaff, I can draw interesting conclusions.
I think we have reason to be pleased to have you.
Sometimes you're too hard on some people on the forum.
They discussed their experiences here. And most times they do in good faith.
Absolute truth does not exist. We each have our truths.
Reading all these truths gives the reader an approximation of the facts.
So no, your not, is absolutely true.
You probably know much more than ANASTASIA that most of us.

Brass teacher, teach your students ....

I'm going to raise some doubts.

I hope that the return of Ukraine, I can read your answers.

- Have you ever you've been a customer of ANASTASIA?
- Have you ever you have had business relationships with ANASTASIA?
- Have you worked in any competitor of ANASTASIA?
- What is the legal structure of 1 International?
- Who is the owner of the databases used by ANASTASIA on their websites?
- What are trade agreements that link with local ANASTASIA?
- What are the exact functions that professionals working for ANASTASIA and who reside in Russia, Ukraine, etc ...?
- Do they appear as directly by ANASTASIA, belong to other companies or independent?

I beg your pardon if too many questions.

See you soon.
John.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on August 11, 2012, 03:11:08 PM
- Have you ever you've been a customer of ANASTASIA?
- Have you ever you have had business relationships with ANASTASIA?
- Have you worked in any competitor of ANASTASIA?
- What is the legal structure of 1 International?
- Who is the owner of the databases used by ANASTASIA on their websites?
- What are trade agreements that link with local ANASTASIA?
- What are the exact functions that professionals working for ANASTASIA and who reside in Russia, Ukraine, etc ...?
- Do they appear as directly by ANASTASIA, belong to other companies or independent?

I beg your pardon if too many questions.

John, While I sense an agenda on your part I would point out that there are numerous threads on RUA about 1st International/Anastasia. In these threads are the answers to your questions. Why not read them as well Donhillo's and my comments regarding 1st International/Anastasia and give it a rest.

If you want to diligent than qoute the answers from RUA posts to your questions.

Mods,

Why not create a separate Topic for 1st International/Anastasia and let all the moan and groans as well as John's play there.

AvHdB

NB: John just a bit of common sense while Brass and I have a rather cool relationship, he considers me snarky. It is rather poor form and tact to speculate on some ones nature and character.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 11, 2012, 03:23:15 PM
Hello BRASSCASING

The brass is obtained from an alloy of copper and zinc.
With copper wires are made. These serve to conduct electrical current.
With zinc coated steel. Prevents oxidation.
Your driver you feel?
Do you protect yourself from oxidation?

You, here present yourself as a tough guy. With much experience and attitude a bit aggressive. Just a little.
Behind the curtain, I think there's another man.
There is probably a sweet and attentive husband. There is a sensitive and loving father. There is a tender grandfather.

From reading your posts, if we separate the wheat from the chaff, I can draw interesting conclusions.
I think we have reason to be pleased to have you.
Sometimes you're too hard on some people on the forum.
They discussed their experiences here. And most times they do in good faith.
Absolute truth does not exist. We each have our truths.
Reading all these truths gives the reader an approximation of the facts.
So no, your not, is absolutely true.
You probably know much more than ANASTASIA that most of us.

Brass teacher, teach your students ....

I'm going to raise some doubts.

I hope that the return of Ukraine, I can read your answers.

- Have you ever you've been a customer of ANASTASIA?
- Have you ever you have had business relationships with ANASTASIA?
- Have you worked in any competitor of ANASTASIA?
- What is the legal structure of 1 International?
- Who is the owner of the databases used by ANASTASIA on their websites?
- What are trade agreements that link with local ANASTASIA?
- What are the exact functions that professionals working for ANASTASIA and who reside in Russia, Ukraine, etc ...?
- Do they appear as directly by ANASTASIA, belong to other companies or independent?

I beg your pardon if too many questions.

See you soon.
John.

What a load of twaddle.

You (and the others) are the ones making the accusations/allegations towards this agency, not I. Either start substantiating your accusations/allegations or expect them to be questioned by myself or others. In otherwords put up or shut up.

As we've seen over the last three pages or so a good deal of what has been posted on this thread doesn't stand up under scrutiny (Shakey aside if he can produce the W slips he says he's in possession of which would establish first hand knowledge).

The same goes for you. No more free ride, no more sermonizing from the RUA pulpit. Substantiate your adductions towards this agency or expect to have them removed as groundless/malicious speculation.

Brass 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 11, 2012, 03:30:18 PM
NB: John just a bit of common sense while Brass and I have a rather cool relationship, he considers me snarky. It is rather poor form and tact to speculate on some ones nature and character.

...Jeez, you're as bad as my ex for remembering arguments.  :P :chuckle:

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on August 11, 2012, 05:44:05 PM
John  has very valid points and asks some good questions.

I see the same thing across the different forums for Russian women. There are a group of men who like to argue like old babushkas and tell everyone they are wrong, don’t know what they are talking about, or push their own morals on others. There are a few men that are friendly and provide helpful  info but many are just here to inflate their ego for whatever reason. Add in the service providers and you are not left with as much diversity and as many experience. It really does a disservice to the site owner as well as many men looking. Most do not bother posting or becoming involved. It begins to become tiresome for those who have better things to do than argue. I have personally met more RW/AM couples since we were married 6 months ago than the regular posters here and I can tell you that they are very different  than what the forums portray. The game is changing and it would behoove those involved to evolve with it.

Good luck to those who are looking.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on August 11, 2012, 07:20:19 PM

You, here present yourself as a tough guy. With much experience and attitude a bit aggressive. Just a little.
Behind the curtain, I think there's another man.

From reading your posts, if we separate the wheat from the chaff, I can draw interesting conclusions.
I think we have reason to be pleased to have you.
Sometimes you're too hard on some people on the forum.
They discussed their experiences here. And most times they do in good faith.
Absolute truth does not exist. We each have our truths.
Reading all these truths gives the reader an approximation of the facts.





What a load of twaddle.

You (and the others) are the ones making the accusations/allegations towards this agency, not I. Either start substantiating your accusations/allegations or expect them to be questioned by myself or others. In otherwords put up or shut up.

As we've seen over the last three pages or so a good deal of what has been posted on this thread doesn't stand up under scrutiny (Shakey aside if he can produce the W slips he says he's in possession of which would establish first hand knowledge).

The same goes for you. No more free ride, no more sermonizing from the RUA pulpit. Substantiate your adductions towards this agency or expect to have them removed as groundless/malicious speculation.

Brass
        Brass you have exceeded yourself again-in reading the thread comments I thought you were simply playing devils advocate-- but it seems not to be the case.
        Most of the other bigger names in the business can be substituted for Anastasia in this discussion-- the practices and relationship with the agencies is essentially the same.
        What has really irritated me here Brass is that you are demanding proof   BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT--  before you are prepared to concede anything at all. Now-- unless you-- and I mean you Brass-- have knowledge beyond the ability to ask questions-- it is totally innappropriate  to attack and demand more from other contributors to the threads here.These allegations are not wild personal attacks-- most of this is already known information -- certainly the fundamentals are not new.
          The fact that these companies seem to have been able to construct their affairs to avoid legal action( both criminal & civil) does not make their actions legal or moral.
           Finally-- you have an approach to being dismissive  of posters here that you know nothing of their backgrounds or knowledge -- the way you write says that you are intelligent-- but it also shows me how dumb you can be.   
       
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on August 11, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
John  has very valid points and asks some good questions.

I see the same thing across the different forums for Russian women. There are a group of men who like to argue like old babushkas and tell everyone they are wrong, don’t know what they are talking about, or push their own morals on others. There are a few men that are friendly and provide helpful  info but many are just here to inflate their ego for whatever reason. Add in the service providers and you are not left with as much diversity and as many experience. It really does a disservice to the site owner as well as many men looking. Most do not bother posting or becoming involved. It begins to become tiresome for those who have better things to do than argue. I have personally met more RW/AM couples since we were married 6 months ago than the regular posters here and I can tell you that they are very different  than what the forums portray. The game is changing and it would behoove those involved to evolve with it.

Good luck to those who are looking.

Sorry do not want to sound or look like the "old babushka". My impression there is a rather rich and diverse base in RUA, searching for a partner from what was the former Soviet Union. Some even have success! You are correct from my experience the "game" is changing but in fact it might not be in a positive direction.

So many of the questions posed by John have been dealt before this is beginning to sound like a broken record. Perhaps John has a point - fair enough - post some evidence.

AvHdB

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 11, 2012, 09:03:36 PM
Also, would you clarify for me what years you were working for Anastasia

I worked for Anastasia in 1998 and 1999.  I was an independent contractor who was paid commission for sales generated.  My work was basically part-time. 

I found the 1099 I received for income in 1998 but cannot seem to find the one for 1999.  The 1099 shows income in 1998 of $600 and if I remember correctly, my income in 1999 was about $2400.

I was in their Winchester KY office between 3-5 days each month.  The rest of the work I did from my home.

There is no doubt that the business model for this Agency has changed with the advent of the internet.  However, morals and personal ethics generally do not change over time.  If they were guilty of bad business practices back when I worked for them, it is likely they are guilty of bad business practices now.       
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on August 12, 2012, 02:33:28 AM

So many of the questions posed by John have been dealt before this is beginning to sound like a broken record. Perhaps John has a point - fair enough - post some evidence.

AvHdB

Have they been dealt with before?   Three of the posters immediately above in thread have some real knowledge. This is an internet forum designed to inform people-- not a court of Law. On this forum I have been to victim of being accused of lying--in all 3 cases the proponents of that accusation were not prepared to back up their claims while I was-- very easy to make accusation. I believe all three of these guys--most of the comments I have all heard previously and some more controversial  allegations I know of similar cases. Can I prove it? Yes-- if it got to a court-yes.Would I attempt to prove any of that information here-- no.
     On this forum there are people with knowledge beyond the occasional odd guy who was ripped off and misled ( my sympathies to all) -- but in reality the behaviour of these companies is well known and relatively easy to prove.The real key ( for any real action) is knowledge of the upstream actions of these companies.
    The difficulty( amongst many) is to bring the people together that can unlock a lot of this info. If the forum provided a conduit then it would be doing a real service.
 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Isthmus on August 12, 2012, 02:43:25 AM
I don't need any evidence that Anastasia is largely BS, I worked that out on the simple basis of 'having that many hot young ladies wanting older WM, must be BS, can't be for real'. So I never even joined  ;D
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 12, 2012, 06:09:00 AM
Two very good postings Jay.

Sashathecat,yes you're right.Too many newish members get belittled by certain long-standing forum posters,who believe themselves to be the font of all knowledge.

I can see why certain long-standing forum members are still single  :popcorn:

Whilst not everything said by all forum members will be correct,some idiots do come and go,proof is needed that they are incorrect in their assertions,not just that they are correct.
It can be said that without proof otherwise..Anastasia are innocent,whilst equally it can be said that without proof otherwise the belittled posters on here are equally innocent of lying.
Innocent until proven guilty applies both ways.
If they're not careful,these golden oldies of this forum will have no-one making any postings,because of their attitude,which will make them redundant.

As for Anastasia,well my personal experience of them is that i put my profile on their site 18 months ago,witn NO photo.
I was receiving a minimum of 8 letters a day,from the most beautiful girls imaginable.
I bought some credits in order to read some of these letters,without actually replying to them,and these beauties were all anxious to meet this man with no photo,and set up a cozy home with him.
Now,unless Brass can ascertain that model quality women in Ukraine are so desperate for a foreign husband,that they will accept anyone,regardless of his appearance,this smells of a scam to me.

Anastasia is a scam.....period.

Brass can choose to believe me and other people or not,and we can all choose to take any notice of what he says also. :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: NS1 on August 12, 2012, 06:30:28 AM
I have never used Anastasia. Maybe I was lucky first site I used was Elena's Models.
Although was partly scammed on this site. This was in the beginning, before forums or anyone to ask anything to.

Now I have read enough, seen enough posted to realize all site have issues. but as in anything some are really bad.
I would put Anastasia in this category! Can you find a real person here, yes I am sure. Are the odds higher, yes I am sure.

So as in anything, if you have a choice, do your homework and go with what will give you the greatest odds of success for you! Buyer beware and use all sites with a degree of realism. This will increase the odds at least the person you are speaking with is real.

As for if she is a good choice ;D Another subject another thread :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on August 12, 2012, 06:31:31 AM
It has been said a large percentage of "women" on Anastasia/1st International are not what they say they are.

There are women on the site, if you keep to some basic rules you can meet the real women. Donny and I have done this.

OK I think we all agree on this.

Chelsea, I am confident that your words on your profile were so compelling that the women just had to write to you. I mean every one wants to live in Chelsea, just ask every other citizen in Bangladesh!


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 07:33:44 AM
Also, would you clarify for me what years you were working for Anastasia

I worked for Anastasia in 1998 and 1999.  I was an independent contractor who was paid commission for sales generated.  My work was basically part-time. 

I found the 1099 I received for income in 1998 but cannot seem to find the one for 1999.  The 1099 shows income in 1998 of $600 and if I remember correctly, my income in 1999 was about $2400.

I was in their Winchester KY office between 3-5 days each month.  The rest of the work I did from my home.

There is no doubt that the business model for this Agency has changed with the advent of the internet.  However, morals and personal ethics generally do not change over time.  If they were guilty of bad business practices back when I worked for them, it is likely they are guilty of bad business practices now.     

Alright, just attach the 1099-Miscellaneous showing Anatasia paid you $600. in 1998 on the backboard.

Not impressed Shakey. You've posted a number of times over the years that you were an "employee" "consultant" "independant contractor" or otherwise "worked" or were "employed" for/by Anastasia. A 1099 form is for 'nonemployee' compensation.

Further, I have no idea why'd you'd be travelling three days a month from NW, Ohio to Winchester, Kentucky and spending time in their office over the space of a year for a mere pittance of $600. compensation. I also expect there would have been costs like paying for acommodation, gas, meals, etc.

Here you go Brass.  From one of their Fall 1997 catalogs.  How much to you think publicity like this was worth to Anastasia? I spoke with a couple hundred guys who were on the bubble about taking one of their tours about how great everything was.  For every one that signed up, I got a financial bonus.  I'm a pretty successful salesman.

Brass





Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 08:46:16 AM
        Brass you have exceeded yourself again-in reading the thread comments I thought you were simply playing devils advocate-- but it seems not to be the case.
        Most of the other bigger names in the business can be substituted for Anastasia in this discussion-- the practices and relationship with the agencies is essentially the same.
        What has really irritated me here Brass is that you are demanding proof   BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT--  before you are prepared to concede anything at all. Now-- unless you-- and I mean you Brass-- have knowledge beyond the ability to ask questions-- it is totally innappropriate  to attack and demand more from other contributors to the threads here.These allegations are not wild personal attacks-- most of this is already known information -- certainly the fundamentals are not new.
          The fact that these companies seem to have been able to construct their affairs to avoid legal action( both criminal & civil) does not make their actions legal or moral.
           Finally-- you have an approach to being dismissive  of posters here that you know nothing of their backgrounds or knowledge -- the way you write says that you are intelligent-- but it also shows me how dumb you can be.   

You obviously believe you have the opportunity here to get a shot in at me for the times I've brought you to task or removed your own untruthful messages posted on this forum...

Let's start with this:

 Russian & Ukrainian Women Information Forums »
Information »
Agencies & Dating Sites (Moderators: Brasscasing, shakespear)

Then we'll move on to this:

Forgiveness.
I mean, one person manages the profiles of 10 girls.

You don't know this. Even with the language problems I'm starting to get the impression you're making this up as you go along.

I've asked you some questions upthread you've not bothered to answer. Be aware I do not allow unsubstantiated accusations or false allegations towards agencies regardless of reputation.

In time you'll learn that there are those that would try to spread rumours or innuendo about agencies and individual women for no other reason than they feel they've been slighted or are unsatisfied with the results of their association with said agencies or women.

There is a difference between being scammed and being an unsatisfied customer. It is encumbant on the member to substantiate his accusations not the forum.

John has not made his case here. He is avoiding relevant questions and continues posting further allegations without substantiating them.


This whole story of yours is really getting a bit beyond the pale now...

None of this answers anything I've asked you.  Further, your English appears to improve or decline as needed.

As I mentioned up thread there is a difference beween an unsuccessful/unsatsfied customer and a scam. You fall into the former and for whatever reason are now trying to suggest that you've been scammed.

You've mentioned helping others. You're going to need to be a lot more forthcoming and truthful with your narratives if helping is your intention.

Source of info?

There is none. This guy is a crusader. Not a prolific one but stuck in the same program loop just the same. I think he may have tried to use Anastasia and for whatever reason was unsuccessful. Based on what he's posting here (even with language which I think is affected) I'm starting to understand why.

Normally these guys come on great guns, we identify them and as long as they're not causing a ruckess are allowed to stay. Once they are identified though members don't pay much attention to them and the readership pretty much gets the idea. I myself have stopped trying to converse with the guy, it's useless. 

Regardless of their reputation even Anastasia is bound to run across undesirable clients.

... You post messages designed to troll a moderator in a designated RM who's advised and admonished a member (John Petaca) at several points in this thread to substantiat his statements. That member has continued to post unsubstantiated conjecture and malicious inuendo. He does not have any special knowledge of this agency other than being a (former) client...

Mr. Brasscing,

I apologize if I did not answered all your questions.
I think you understand I have the right to do so.
You take a lot right about one thing: "I have not succeeded in Anastasia, and therefore I am resentful.
I have the feeling of being cheated. Maybe I'm wrong ...

That's why I expose my experiences and conclusions.
I need answers and silences those who want to participate in this forum. Thus, my opinions may change.
However, Anastasia has the right to defend my claims. Just enough to show them what I set forth here is false.
They probably will not. They are wrong.
In Spain it is said that a lie repeated often can become a truth.
Arguments based on truth, are devastating to the liar.

Do not forget, my goal is to help others in my humble opinion.
And nothing more. The generating discord is not my favorite game.

Greetings to all.

I know you don't have the capacity to employ critical thinking. Your quote and your posting history confirms that. Nevermind, try and learn something from those that do. If you go back and read John's missives from the first 10 pages or so, you may start to understand what I'm trying to convey. However, you're not really here to learn or assist or participate, are you? This is just another chance at trolling a thread for you.

I disagree with your last para. You aren't capable of understanding what I'm writing or the points I'm conveying here, again your temper tantrum quoted shows that.

Brass

 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Two very good postings Jay.

Sashathecat,yes you're right.Too many newish members get belittled by certain long-standing forum posters,who believe themselves to be the font of all knowledge.

I can see why certain long-standing forum members are still single  :popcorn:

Whilst not everything said by all forum members will be correct,some idiots do come and go,proof is needed that they are incorrect in their assertions,not just that they are correct.
It can be said that without proof otherwise..Anastasia are innocent,whilst equally it can be said that without proof otherwise the belittled posters on here are equally innocent of lying.
Innocent until proven guilty applies both ways.
If they're not careful,these golden oldies of this forum will have no-one making any postings,because of their attitude,which will make them redundant.

As for Anastasia,well my personal experience of them is that i put my profile on their site 18 months ago,witn NO photo.
I was receiving a minimum of 8 letters a day,from the most beautiful girls imaginable.
I bought some credits in order to read some of these letters,without actually replying to them,and these beauties were all anxious to meet this man with no photo,and set up a cozy home with him.
Now,unless Brass can ascertain that model quality women in Ukraine are so desperate for a foreign husband,that they will accept anyone,regardless of his appearance,this smells of a scam to me.

Anastasia is a scam.....period.

Brass can choose to believe me and other people or not,and we can all choose to take any notice of what he says also. :)

Chelsea, You're one of the worst offenders, you slip into topics pooping statements I don't recall you've ever substantiated.

You and all these friends/acquantenances/informants you refer to in your messages are, without a doubt, either the the most scammed or naive group of individuals to have ever tried to find an overseas relationship. In otherwords you have a scam story for every situation.

As far as I'm concerned your drivel only serves those that read it as a reminder that there are individuals out there like you, and one or two others participating on this topic, who make it more difficult for normal men productively seeking because the women they're trying to meet are vetting for guys like you.

Brass   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 12, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
Brass,

       I just told you my PERSONAL experience of using Anastasia,so you're now calling me a liar also,as you have others on here.

You have a lot to say for yourself,hiding behind your keyboard.

Let me know when you'll be in Ukraine next,and then call me a liar to my face.

Seems to me you have a vested interest in Anastasia,with your constant deflection of anything said against them.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 10:24:41 AM
Brass,

       I just told you my PERSONAL experience of using Anastasia,so you're now calling me a liar also,as you have others on here.

You have a lot to say for yourself,hiding behind your keyboard.

Let me know when you'll be in Ukraine next,and then call me a liar to my face.

Seems to me you have a vested interest in Anastasia.

Why would you be signing on with Anastasia 18 months ago all you ever do is slam the agency?...

Oh right, scam hunting again. Maybe the girls were scam hunting you? At the end of the day though it's just another Chelseaboy story about his daring do's in the MOB world. So, in light of your many adventures you've related, until you actually produce something substantive, your right, I'm not buying it.

We're all behind our keyboards, Mr. internet tough guy. I seriously doubt if the opportunity ever presented itself you'd allow a face to face. Why? Because I deal with guys like you all the time, almost daily infact. The real tough/dangerous guys? Never project, never mouth, don't eyeball, they just do it and yes, I'm sporting a scar or two from one or two of those encounters as well. So keyboard posture all you like. Be mindful of the ToS though, I'll allow a certain leeway with myself because I just don't take you seriously but I'm not the only forum mod/admin. :chuckle:

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 12:09:39 PM
Quote from: shakespear
There is a huge difference between an unsatisfied customer and a swindle, of course. I can't help but think if Anastasia had "swindled" 7,500-/+ customers, a criminal investigation would have been launched much along the lines of the on line pharmacies or get rich quick schemes that you routinely hear and read about in the news and possibly even shut down. They still seem to be running a have a successful business?   

If my recollection does not fail I believe FBI at one point were investigating Anastasiaweb.com but it never panned out in anything probably because the sort of Scam and swindle Anastasia INC. performs is so difficult to prove and effectively win in a court of law. That is probably why Anastasia INC. has not been trialled yet but they should definitely been shut down for poor business conduct ages ago.

Quote from: shakespear
I know in the "early days", many men were successful in getting "chargebacks" from their credit cards; claiming they never received the services they paid for.  This really pissed Elena off to no end.  She always figured once she had the customer's money it was hers whether she provided satisfactory service or not; and she would throw public fits about how those that did get these chargebacks were now basically stealing money from her.  Predictably perverted Russian perspective on the whole thing if you ask me. 

I understand she has since hired lawyers and drafted her contracts in such a way to make successfully obtaining a chargeback from a credit card virtually impossible.

I have successfully made several charge backs from Anastasiweb for phone translations. We are talking about 5 or 6 chargebacks but mind you that was probably 5-6 years ago. Manny's wife did actually listen in to the conversations so there is the proof.

Thanks,
eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 12:24:33 PM
OK Brass, do these guys deserve a refund?

Back in the days when "snail mail" was the only way to communicate with the FSU, Anastasia advertised an "Express Letter Service" to their male customers.  They claimed they send a DAILY DHL package to their Moscow office and for a small fee ($4) they would include your letter in that package.  Once in Moscow their staff would put it in a Russian-size envelope, readdress the letter in Cyrillic and mail it with Russian stamps.  They claimed this would speed delivery by 2-3 weeks and would increase reliability of delivery since it would not look like a foreign letter and was less likely to be riffled by curious postal workers looking to augment their pitiful government salary.

Sounds like a great deal, right?  Literally THOUSANDS of letters came in requesting this service.

What actually happened?  There was no DAILY DHL package.  Somebody slapped a $0.50 international airmail stamp on them and dropped them in the mailbox at the Winchester post office.  Saw it with my own eyes.  Nice 700% profit margin. 

The basic dishonesty at the core of the owners of this agency came through with every transaction they processed.     

Shakey, I'm simply going to state that if these people (the original owners then the second husband) were perpetrating such silly, amaturish hijinks that could be so easily uncovered and traced (not to mention the original envelope with the affixed air mail stamp and postal station identifier being recoverable as evidence) these people wouldn't be in business now. Anastasia would be long gone or maybe remembered as a footnote to the dumbest, most traceble scam in the history of the MOB industry.

Yet, this isn't the case, Dan Sykes, not running, not hiding, not ducking and dodging the civil suits and law...he's buying heritage buildings at public auctions:

http://bangordailynews.com/2010/07/21/news/bangor/whig-and-courier-sells-at-auction-for-355000/

Paneling at international trade shows...

http://img.idate2010.com/2010/LA/photos800/Internet-Dating-Conference-iDate2010-Regulatory-Panel-Los-Angeles-2.jpg

That's Anastasia's Dan Sykes speaking on Regulation of Online Dating

http://idate2010.com/speakers-la-2010.php

... right above the Deputy Director for Public Diplomacy's government emblem speaking on how the State Department Uses Social Networking to Engage U.S. Citizens and Foreigners on Items Related to the U.S. Government, Security & Access

Why isn't any of this stuff sticking?

Brass

Excuse me but are you by any chance on Anastasia INC.'s payroll? You must be if you continually keep fending off all the shite that rightfully is being thrown at Anastasia INC. I could not imagine anybody taking the rep for the BS that (again rightly) is fired against AW for no pay.
Hence can I assume you are on their payroll?

Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Brasscasing
There is a huge difference between an unsatisfied customer and a swindle, of course. I can't help but think if Anastasia had "swindled" 7,500-/+ customers, a criminal investigation would have been launched much along the lines of the on line pharmacies or get rich quick schemes that you routinely hear and read about in the news and possibly even shut down. They still seem to be running a have a successful business?   

If my recollection does not fail I believe FBI at one point were investigating Anastasiaweb.com but it never panned out in anything probably because the sort of Scam and swindle Anastasia INC. performs is so difficult to prove and effectively win in a court of law. That is probably why Anastasia INC. has not been trialled yet but they should definitely been shut down for poor business conduct ages ago.

Quote from: shakespear
I know in the "early days", many men were successful in getting "chargebacks" from their credit cards; claiming they never received the services they paid for.  This really pissed Elena off to no end.  She always figured once she had the customer's money it was hers whether she provided satisfactory service or not; and she would throw public fits about how those that did get these chargebacks were now basically stealing money from her.  Predictably perverted Russian perspective on the whole thing if you ask me. 

I understand she has since hired lawyers and drafted her contracts in such a way to make successfully obtaining a chargeback from a credit card virtually impossible.

I have successfully made several charge backs from Anastasiweb for phone translations. We are talking about 5 or 6 chargebacks but mind you that was probably 5-6 years ago. Many's wife did actually listen in to the conversations so there is the proof.

Hi Eldanes  :)

I assume you mean Manny's wife. Can you tell us what the chargebacks were related to?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: shakespear
Let's not mix words.  Basically you're calling me a liar.

Easy Shakespear, I believe he did not mean you are a liar. He calls folks that all the time so I guess this is just the way he address people.
However, a poor way of addressing people as if a first time forum reader sees that the moderators are blatantly calling people liars y other names it may very well discourage them from posting on this forum.

Ways to go brass, I am sure Many will appreciate your effort.

Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Brasscasing
There is a huge difference between an unsatisfied customer and a swindle, of course. I can't help but think if Anastasia had "swindled" 7,500-/+ customers, a criminal investigation would have been launched much along the lines of the on line pharmacies or get rich quick schemes that you routinely hear and read about in the news and possibly even shut down. They still seem to be running a have a successful business?   

If my recollection does not fail I believe FBI at one point were investigating Anastasiaweb.com but it never panned out in anything probably because the sort of Scam and swindle Anastasia INC. performs is so difficult to prove and effectively win in a court of law. That is probably why Anastasia INC. has not been trialled yet but they should definitely been shut down for poor business conduct ages ago.

Quote from: shakespear
I know in the "early days", many men were successful in getting "chargebacks" from their credit cards; claiming they never received the services they paid for.  This really pissed Elena off to no end.  She always figured once she had the customer's money it was hers whether she provided satisfactory service or not; and she would throw public fits about how those that did get these chargebacks were now basically stealing money from her.  Predictably perverted Russian perspective on the whole thing if you ask me. 

I understand she has since hired lawyers and drafted her contracts in such a way to make successfully obtaining a chargeback from a credit card virtually impossible.

I have successfully made several charge backs from Anastasiweb for phone translations. We are talking about 5 or 6 chargebacks but mind you that was probably 5-6 years ago. Many's wife did actually listen in to the conversations so there is the proof.

Hi Eldanes  :)

I assume you mean Manny's wife. Can you tell us what the chargebacks were related to?

Brass

AW would be phoning me telling oh lady X is not available (she had not been available for the last 2 weeks or so) but we have got Jane Doe on the line which you tried to phone the other day. I would then have a conversation for 10 mins and been told the charges for the next session. However, they would never take my creditcard details and would just charge any of the ones I had used previously. F.ex I could have closed the card or got a new card issued from when I intially made the phone reservation till they actually got hold of the lady. Then when the call was over and I long gone they realised the card they had on file for the phone appontment was no longer valid. Hence they just picked one of the other cards I had used previously. FAULT!! Back charged big time.

However, I sense your interest to this issue is due to the same reasons you are defending them so vigorously.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 12:57:09 PM
Excuse me but are you by any chance on Anastasia INC.'s payroll? You must be if you continually keep fending off all the shite that rightfully is being thrown at Anastasia INC. I could not imagine anybody taking the rep for the BS that (again rightly) is fired against AW for no pay.
Hence can I assume you are on their payroll?

Rightly, in your opinion. Note that much of what has transpired on this topic has been shown to be false, unsubstantiated or exaggeration over the last few days.

So, what's your story with this agency? Or link it if you've already posted it here.

Am I an employee of Anastasia? No. I'm a mod/admin of this forum. If I see repeated false, exaggerated or unsubstantiated malicious inuendo towards an agency then I'll question them. Yes, this agency has a bad reputation, however, in this Rm we substantiate accusations of wrongdoing. We are not a forum dedicated to the underbelly of the internet where the crazy, disaffected and scam hunters roam. We like to at least have some substatiation for allegations/accusations. RUA is not a pulpit for sermonizing and slander.

I'm well aware that certain members don't like being shown their fantasies, assumptions, what they've read elsewhere and accept as the collective right/knowledge or bitterness because they've failed at an endeavor and need to place the blame elsewhere. I've done it before many times here and the howls, cries of protecting the agency/individual and bleating are expected and are recorded for posterity.

A little substantiation is all that's required if making an accusation, real simple.  :)

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 01:10:01 PM
AW would be phoning me telling oh lady X is not available (she had not been available for the last 2 weeks or so) but we have got Jane Doe on the line which you tried to phone the other day. I would then have a conversation for 10 mins and been told the charges for the next session. However, they would never take my creditcard details and would just charge any of the ones I had used previously. F.ex I could have closed the card or got a new card issued from when I intially made the phone reservation till they actually got hold of the lady. Then when the call was over and I long gone they realised the card they had on file for the phone appontment was no longer valid. Hence they just picked one of the other cards I had used previously. FAULT!! Back charged big time.

However, I sense your interest to this issue is due to the same reasons you are defending them so vigorously.

Au contraire, so I assume these were prepay cards then, yes? Explain 'Fault back charged big time' were you getting extra charges because of their trying to bill invalid cards? I don't understand that reference...

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: sashathecat
Correct. And the agencies hold the interpreters and women hostage and keep payment several months in arrears. Fines for alleged discrepancies that did not occur is common practice with Anastasia.

I can support that statement as my ex-grilfriend from Poltava was a profile manager in an agency and this happened to her a couple of times.
Also another friend of mine who worked for AW and several other agencies were fined at one stage (I do not recall for what) and she quit with a fine of 100 USD.

None of them works in the MOB business any longer but I can tell you even now they are disgusted with what is still going on.
The before mentioned friend of mine who now works on cruse ships tells me every time she is back in Odessa and hear a foreigner sitting at a table with two girls that clearly tells him BS she goes over to his table and tell him she will be his terp for free for the next 10 min. and will then tell what she has overheard and leave.

Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 01:21:19 PM
AW would be phoning me telling oh lady X is not available (she had not been available for the last 2 weeks or so) but we have got Jane Doe on the line which you tried to phone the other day. I would then have a conversation for 10 mins and been told the charges for the next session. However, they would never take my creditcard details and would just charge any of the ones I had used previously. F.ex I could have closed the card or got a new card issued from when I intially made the phone reservation till they actually got hold of the lady. Then when the call was over and I long gone they realised the card they had on file for the phone appontment was no longer valid. Hence they just picked one of the other cards I had used previously. FAULT!! Back charged big time.
Au contrare, so I assume these were prepay cards then, yes? Explain 'Fault back charged big time' were you getting extra charges because of their trying to bill unvalid cards? I don't understand that reference...

Brass

No, they were normal debit or credit cards. As you surely know every card has an exp. date.
Many of my cards expire around the same time and sometime I get a better offer and close my card; getting a new with another bank/society.

So because they were so poor in getting hold of a lady my card would either have expired or I could have got a new instead of then one they had on file once they were to charge my card.

This is when they used any of my other cards but as you can imagine that was not auth by me hence I filed for a charge back.

Next question; did they get their money? Did I offer them using another card? No, they have been scamming me the past 5 years prior to this incident so this was just me taking back some of what they had scammed me for.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on August 12, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
Quote
Next question; did they get their money? Did I offer them using another card? No, they have been scamming me the past 5 years prior to this incident so this was just me taking back some of what they had scammed me for.

Not to take a position regarding this controversy (although I would never use Anastasia.com), but five years is an awfully long time to get scammed by the same agency.  Didn't you think of discontinuing things with them, say, after the first year?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 01:35:36 PM
Easy Shakespear, I believe he did not mean you are a liar. He calls folks that all the time so I guess this is just the way he address people.
However, a poor way of addressing people as if a first time forum reader sees that the moderators are blatantly calling people liars y other names it may very well discourage them from posting on this forum.

Ways to go brass, I am sure Many will appreciate your effort.

You may not like the fact I'm questioning the accepted doctrine, however, just read the last 6 or so pages   and you may get an understanding of why I'm doing it.

Legitimate complaints are one thing of which we have a number here concerning Anastasia. We owe it to the readership to keep the crusading separate from the credible threads. I may in time have to split the first page or so from the escapades that resulted after the arrival of John Petaca but that's for later.

If Manny (or Chris) have an observation I'm sure they'll convey it.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 01:45:44 PM
Excuse me but are you by any chance on Anastasia INC.'s payroll? You must be if you continually keep fending off all the shite that rightfully is being thrown at Anastasia INC. I could not imagine anybody taking the rep for the BS that (again rightly) is fired against AW for no pay.
Hence can I assume you are on their payroll?

Rightly, in your opinion. Note that much of what has transpired on this topic has been shown to be false, unsubstantiated or exaggeration over the last few days.

So, what's your story with this agency? Or link it if you've already posted it here.

Am I an employee of Anastasia? No. I'm a mod/admin of this forum. If I see repeated false, exaggerated or unsubstantiated malicious inuendo towards an agency then I'll question them. Yes, this agency has a bad reputation, however, in this Rm we substantiate accusations of wrongdoing. We are not a forum dedicated to the underbelly of the internet where the crazy, diseffected and scam hunters roam. We like to at least have some substatiation for allegations/accusations. RUA is not a pulpit for sermonizing and slander.

I'm well aware that certain members don't like being shown their fantasies, assumptions, what they've read elsewhere and accept as the collective right/knowledge or bitterness because they've failed at an endeavor and need to place the blame elsewhere. I've done it before many times here and the howls, cries of protecting the agency/individual and bleating are expected and are recorded for posterity.

A little substantiation is all that's required if making an accusation, real simple.  :)

Brass

Just an observation:

                                               You    Me
Number of times to FSU           5       18+ (counting my visas and entry stamps in the last to passports)
Used AW                                         Yes
Used Army of Brides                        Yes
Used Jump4love                              Yes
Misc agencies in country                 10+
Number of ex partners in FSU           2
First Trip to FSU                               1995
Last trip to FSA                               2009 (too much swindle, scam, dishonest people in UA)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
No, they were normal debit or credit cards. As you surely know every card has an exp. date.
Many of my cards expire around the same time and sometime I get a better offer and close my card; getting a new with another bank/society.

So because they were so poor in getting hold of a lady my card would either have expired or I could have got a new instead of then one they had on file once they were to charge my card.

This is when they used any of my other cards but as you can imagine that was not auth by me hence I filed for a charge back.

Next question; did they get their money? Did I offer them using another card? No, they have been scamming me the past 5 years prior to this incident so this was just me taking back some of what they had scammed me for.

1) Ah.

2) Back to this for a moment; Am I to understand that you were talking to ladies you hadn't booked (to talk to) or you were talking to ladies you had booked/previously booked? If I read your previous post correctly you were ending up talking to ladies you had booked several weeks(?) prior not the lady you thought you were going to talk to at the time (you called), is that correct?

3) OK, I get that now. Did they (Anastasia Inc.) explain why they wouldn't take your new card at the time (you tried to give it to them)?

4) Not my question but a follow up; How were they scamming you for 5 years?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 01:54:01 PM
Just an observation:

                                               You    Me
Number of times to FSU           5       18+ (counting my visas and entry stamps in the last to passports)
Used AW                                         Yes
Used Army of Brides                        Yes
Used Jump4love                              Yes
Misc agencies in country                 10+
Number of ex partners in FSU           2
First Trip to FSU                               1995
Last trip to FSA                               2009 (too much swindle, scam, dishonest people in UA)

I appreciate this Eldanes, I'm not questioning your bonafides. However, even the most experienced of us in this endeavor need to show some substantiation for accusations of wrong doing or scam, it's only fair (and educational for the readership), no?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 01:55:49 PM
Quote
Next question; did they get their money? Did I offer them using another card? No, they have been scamming me the past 5 years prior to this incident so this was just me taking back some of what they had scammed me for.

Not to take a position regarding this controversy (although I would never use Anastasia.com), but five years is an awfully long time to get scammed by the same agency.  Didn't you think of discontinuing things with them, say, after the first year?

I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 02:06:32 PM
I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.

[My bolded] Elena? Elena from Anastasia was setting up her own ladies or are we now talking about ladies from different agencies (outside Anastasia's affiliates/feeders)?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 02:33:25 PM
No, they were normal debit or credit cards. As you surely know every card has an exp. date.
Many of my cards expire around the same time and sometime I get a better offer and close my card; getting a new with another bank/society.

So because they were so poor in getting hold of a lady my card would either have expired or I could have got a new instead of then one they had on file once they were to charge my card.

This is when they used any of my other cards but as you can imagine that was not auth by me hence I filed for a charge back.

Next question; did they get their money? Did I offer them using another card? No, they have been scamming me the past 5 years prior to this incident so this was just me taking back some of what they had scammed me for.

1) Ah.

2) Back to this for a moment; Am I to understand that you were talking to ladies you hadn't booked (to talk to) or you were talking to ladies you had booked/previously booked? If I read your previous post correctly you were ending up talking to ladies you had booked several weeks(?) prior not the lady you thought you were going to talk to at the time (you called), is that correct?

3) OK, I get that now. Did they (Anastasia Inc.) explain why they wouldn't take your new card at the time (you tried to give it to them)?

4) Not my question but a follow up; How were they scamming you for 5 years?

Brass



2) I could have had perhaps 3-4 phone bookings in at any time where they would have tried to set up conference calls for 2-3 weeks with no joy. They would then on the date and time I had an appointment with X lady gtell me she did not answer her phone but thay had Y lady (one of the other bookings I have active) on the line and we could proceed with her. But that did of course happen in only a limited number of bookings I made.

3) No, they would typicaly charge the surcharge of th additional minutes at a later state i.e after the conference call had ended. Mind you we are talking about the additional min. acured apart from the original phone booking of min 10 min. with is paied upfront.

4) Ohhhhh brass, isn't this what we are discussing?  AW scamming and being dishonest with their services. The very thing nobody can prove but everybody feeling they are being taken to the cleaners.
Letters written by agency workes and not by the ladies themself, all that you know already. I have seen the production belt in agencies in Nikolayev and the one in my ex' agency in Poltava. Pleeeease, although noody can produce any proof does not mean it does not happen.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 02:42:39 PM
I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.

[My bolded] Elena? Elena from Anastasia was setting up her own ladies or are we now talking about ladies from different agencies (outside Anastasia's affiliates/feeders)?

Brass

f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)

 :chuckle: No problem. Alright just one more question today as I've been on this computer too long myself and my phone is starting to ring with people wondering where I am. ;D

Within the bounds of confidentiality (with Ladagirl's services) were any of the ladies (Anastasia clients) that you contacted by phone found to be untruthful?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
John  has very valid points and asks some good questions.

I see the same thing across the different forums for Russian women. There are a group of men who like to argue like old babushkas and tell everyone they are wrong, don’t know what they are talking about, or push their own morals on others. There are a few men that are friendly and provide helpful  info but many are just here to inflate their ego for whatever reason. Add in the service providers and you are not left with as much diversity and as many experience. It really does a disservice to the site owner as well as many men looking. Most do not bother posting or becoming involved. It begins to become tiresome for those who have better things to do than argue. I have personally met more RW/AM couples since we were married 6 months ago than the regular posters here and I can tell you that they are very different  than what the forums portray. The game is changing and it would behoove those involved to evolve with it.

Good luck to those who are looking.

Sorry do not want to sound or look like the "old babushka". My impression there is a rather rich and diverse base in RUA, searching for a partner from what was the former Soviet Union. Some even have success! You are correct from my experience the "game" is changing but in fact it might not be in a positive direction.

So many of the questions posed by John have been dealt before this is beginning to sound like a broken record. Perhaps John has a point - fair enough - post some evidence.

AvHdB

Dutchie,

Why do the forum members have to post evidence? If you are provided with evidence can you help the customers who feel be-swindled or scammed? Are you prosecutor at any legal entity in any country? Perhaps you are judge at a court of law and can instigate an investigation? Or are you in the law enforcement and can promote an investigation?

We can’t sue or prosecute AW at least we can share our experience and warnings to other readers. It is not total bull when so many men can tell the same story after another. As said we may not be able to prosecute but the way they are conducting business is immoral. That is a fact even you can't deny.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on August 12, 2012, 03:01:27 PM
As I've been reading this thread over the last few days it occurs to me that it is not easy to build a case with proper evidence unless one has available:

1) the discovery process available in civil lawsuits,

2) criminal investigation powers available to law enforcement agencies,

3) civil investigation powers possessed by certain regulatory agencies of government (think Environmental Protection Agency in the US), or at least those agencies whose main activities do not involve the investigation of what are likely to be violations of criminal laws (think taxing authorities), or

4) someone on the inside who is able to credibly testify to wrongdoing and possibly also bring out physical evidence, such as business records.

Investigative reporters have often been able to do a good job even without the first three of these, although they try their best to get number four.  But they often have a good-sized team of investigators working under their direction.  Realistically, no individual is going to spend the necessary time and other resources to undertake the gathering of evidence about this or any other MOB agency.  It's just not worth it.

But, for guys who are considering a foray into meeting FSUW, I don't imagine most will insist on a carefully constructed case with documentary evidence before deciding which agency/service provider to use.  It's the same principle I use when looking around for a good vacation destination in a particular area.  If I talk to a friend who has been to a particular resort and recommends it, I'm much more likely to go there.  And if I just read travelers' reviews on tripadvisor and see 14 people pan a hotel, complaining of similar things that sound like a pattern, while 2 people say the place isn't as bad as all that, it's not likely I'll be booking a room there.

I should note that the last paragraph of this post does not necessarily reflect what I think of this thread.  It relates to the totality of what I have heard and read about Anastasia.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)

 :chuckle: No problem. Alright just one more question today as I've been on this computer too long myself and my phone is starting to ring with people wondering where I am. ;D

Within the bounds of confidentiality (with Ladagirl's services) were any of the ladies (Anastasia clients) that you contacted by phone found to be untruthful?

Brass

All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest

...Wow.

Ok.

Now, before the rest of the usual suspects dive in with the We've been vindicated routine...No, you haven't. One member (Eldanes) has been shown to have a credible complaint...Assuming Ladagirl doesn't sign on and contradict him, I'll take her silence as meaning his quote above is correct.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 03:22:25 PM

I can see why certain long-standing forum members are still single  :popcorn:


Chelseaboy, I am shocked you saying that sort of stuff. How could you?  :(

You know I have  :plane: to the FSU many times and you know I am looking for a bird with big boobs, who is easy going, does what I tell her to do, who undress and open her legs when I ask her to do so.
Is that perhaps why I have had no luck in Ukraine :drunk:

Tell me you wise man, Please tell me  :bow:

NB
It does not have to do with scamming/dishonest/swindleing agencies and ladies - right?  :saint:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 03:25:40 PM

All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest

...Wow.

Ok.

Now, before the rest of the usual suspects dive in with the We've been vindicated routine...No, you haven't. One member (Eldanes) has been shown to have a credible complaint...Assuming Ladagirl doesn't sign on and contradict him, I'll take her silence as meaning his quote above is correct.

Brass

Woaah, hang fire. The girl being kicked off AW has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was  not related to my business with Ladagirl.
Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings phoning to confirm the ladies sincerity. The only involvement Ladagirl had was to check out the ladies I spoke to on the phone via AW
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 12, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Larry, it ain't so much that anyone (I think) wants to see evidence at a level that'd enable a criminal or legal case to proceed but rather that over the years experience tells us that most complaints against agencies have very little to do with non provision of service or even of wrong doing by those businesses but rather more to do with disappointment, misreading/misunderstanding and dishonesty on the part of patrons and ex patrons.

Problem is this, in any specific case or practice how does one get to know if, for example, a person has been writing their own emails? How does one know if this is against the terms implied or explicit of the business of the agency?

Truth be told we can know that such practices are likely and should be expected due to the demands placed by male clients upon female clients, but proving it in any exact case? Almost impossible.

Then there's the 'pro dater' stuff. I can't recall the last time I read of a specific instance where the more likely truth was that two people had mismatched expectations. That's not to say it does not happen but proving it? Almost impossible.

Then look at the possibility of 'dishonest' local agencies. Again, not so easy to prove. I recall a big thread from one bloke a year or two ago, made a huge song and dance about how he had been ripped off by a local agency affiliate of one of the largest aggregators in this business. A little digging showed that in fact he had chosen to try to save money and go outside of the aggregator and the local agency and the entire bad experience consisted of a bloke who had met with a woman who may, or may not, have been a part time interpreter for the local agency who 'worked' for the guy outside of the agency on her own time. The guy was too cheap to pay for the agency services but blamed the service providers for that which he had not paid them.

The only time, in recent years where a provider was shown to be dishonest was where the provider was, at the time, a poster on this forum.

So, yes, asking some questions of those making accusations makes a lot of sense, often those questions cause the 'accuser' to strike his tent and move on because the accusations were baseless.

As you will know, over the years, and still today, I have castigated agencies for dishonesty, indeed the whole process is riddled with dishonesty, but here's a thing, for all that dishonesty I really do not think there are many cases where a US based service provider purposefully overcharges, where a US provider does not provide the services paid for or where the services provided are not provided substantially as per the agreement between client and service provider. Here's why I think this to be so:
All the businesses that people complain about rely upon credit card processing for their cash flow. If firms act outside the law, or outside of their contractual obligations then those processors will start to jack up the fees and ultimately close accounts. Genuine complaints against these businesses are too costly to be allowed to happen.

So, if Brass asks a question or two, lettim! In the end ALL users of ALL MOB services beneft from a relatively honest and clear understanding of the validity and context of complaints that are often made by a very emotionally overwrought poster.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 04:10:37 PM
Woaah, hang fire. This has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was after Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings.

I'm not talking about the complaint and removal of the girl.

I'm referring to your post here:

I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.

[My bolded] Elena? Elena from Anastasia was setting up her own ladies or are we now talking about ladies from different agencies (outside Anastasia's affiliates/feeders)?

f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)

 I then responded:

:chuckle: No problem. Alright just one more question today as I've been on this computer too long myself and my phone is starting to ring with people wondering where I am. ;D

Within the bounds of confidentiality (with Ladagirl's services) were any of the ladies (Anastasia clients) that you contacted by phone found to be untruthful?

To which you replied:

All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest

Am I to now understand that this isn't what happened?

Edit: Alright. I see you've edited to include the following [my bolded]...

Woaah, hang fire. The girl being kicked off AW has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was  not related to my business with Ladagirl.
Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings phoning to confirm the ladies sincerity. The only involvement Ladagirl had was to check out the ladies I spoke to on the phone via AW

...which leads me back to my origianl question...

Did you find any of AW's lady clients (the women you had telephone coversations with) and subsequently had Ladagirl check out for you (as you've mentioned above) to be untruthful? :)

Brass





 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 04:38:13 PM
Larry, I'll add to Andrew's post above with a couple more points:

What happens over time, especially with agencies in this niche, is that stories become embellished more with the telling, people refer to 'source' material that itself was related second hand, the same stories slightly altered to fit the particular smear campaign they happen to need it for today are posted by the same individuals and ultimately, these stories, complaints, narratives, again over time become the accepted truth.

The crusaders as I like to call them perpetuate and embellish these stories almost with each individual retelling to fit the circumstance or drive home their point and/or their particular hatred of whatever it is they happen to hate that day. The problem is the internet is accumulative so these same stories multiply in all there various incarnations to the point that the internet is full of what basically boils down to what can be a relatively small number of ligitimate complaints. I give you our Sterlin as the example for this; under various names he travels the internet posting the same stories over and over again altering them to whatever forum/subject he happens to be posting to.

More importantly; this method is extremely effective when used to smear certain businesses on the web. It's almost self perpetuating in nature. Add a few crusaders who have their own axe to grind and it's nearly impossible to stop.

This isn't to say that ligitimate complaints and scams don't exist of course, they do. However, it's too easy to climb onto the bandwagon without actually asking questions. If allowed those predisposed to it will preach the same story for weeks, months, years. I call those afflicted stuck in a looped program and we can see the results on this topic.

Brass

edit: excuse the spelling I'm in a hurry now... :chuckle:

 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 04:47:30 PM
Woaah, hang fire. This has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was after Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings.

I'm not talking about the complaint and removal of the girl.

I'm referring to your post here:

I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.

[My bolded] Elena? Elena from Anastasia was setting up her own ladies or are we now talking about ladies from different agencies (outside Anastasia's affiliates/feeders)?

f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)

 I then responded:

:chuckle: No problem. Alright just one more question today as I've been on this computer too long myself and my phone is starting to ring with people wondering where I am. ;D

Within the bounds of confidentiality (with Ladagirl's services) were any of the ladies (Anastasia clients) that you contacted by phone found to be untruthful?

To which you replied:

All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest

Am I to now understand that this isn't what happened?

Edit: Alright. I see you've edited to include the following [my bolded]...

Woaah, hang fire. The girl being kicked off AW has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was  not related to my business with Ladagirl.
Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings phoning to confirm the ladies sincerity. The only involvement Ladagirl had was to check out the ladies I spoke to on the phone via AW

...which leads me back to my origianl question...

Did you find any of AW's lady clients (the women you had telephone coversations with) and subsequently had Ladagirl check out for you (as you've mentioned above) to be untruthful? :)

Brass

Yeah, they were lying scum of the worst sort. Would not believe any of them even if I met them in person.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 12, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
Yeah, they were lying scum of the worst sort. Would not believe any of them even if I met them in person.

I see.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 12, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Woaah, hang fire. This has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was after Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings.

I'm not talking about the complaint and removal of the girl.

I'm referring to your post here:

I never used them more than 1 year or two in my rookie time. After then I used all other sorts of agencies. As Manny's wife know I used AW to set up phone appointments of ladies on their web site who were also llisted on other agencies websites and where I was actually having my communication.
Only problem was those web sites woudl not provide me with contact details like tel number and I had to catch the ladies off guard from another agency to figure out if she was aware who I was, if she could recognise any reference to previous communication on the other web site etc.
Basically it was a test as to if she was for real and actually the one who wrote the letters. Manny's wife was there listening in to what was said and to confirm what was said were correctly translated as well as to gather her oppinion of the educational level of the lady and personality.
I would then also get the ladies private number and Elena would phone the lady trying to set her up on a scam. This to figure out if the lady was indeed a decent woman or just another scammer.

[My bolded] Elena? Elena from Anastasia was setting up her own ladies or are we now talking about ladies from different agencies (outside Anastasia's affiliates/feeders)?

f me - getting old. Can't remember what happend yesterday. My mistake mannys wife is called Olga sorry for the screw-up.

See my script is so devious that even you can't follow me  :)

 I then responded:

:chuckle: No problem. Alright just one more question today as I've been on this computer too long myself and my phone is starting to ring with people wondering where I am. ;D

Within the bounds of confidentiality (with Ladagirl's services) were any of the ladies (Anastasia clients) that you contacted by phone found to be untruthful?

To which you replied:

All of them were full of crap and cheats.

I shall post the communication I had with the customer service of AW later. It relates to a lady that was removed for scamming/being dishonest

Am I to now understand that this isn't what happened?

Edit: Alright. I see you've edited to include the following [my bolded]...

Woaah, hang fire. The girl being kicked off AW has nothing to do with Lada girl. She was at no point involved in this. That complaint, and later removal of the girl, was  not related to my business with Ladagirl.
Ladagirl were involved in my business dealings phoning to confirm the ladies sincerity. The only involvement Ladagirl had was to check out the ladies I spoke to on the phone via AW

...which leads me back to my origianl question...

Did you find any of AW's lady clients (the women you had telephone coversations with) and subsequently had Ladagirl check out for you (as you've mentioned above) to be untruthful? :)

Brass

However, I am not entirely sure why Olga is a major factor in this. I would rather think that AW's customer services communication with me would be more of a proof to the scam going on. And their confirmation that they removed the lady from the site.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 12, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
eldanes,

          Not sure i'm the person you should be asking,seeing as how i've been accused of being a liar by Brass.

Clearly,it's us people that accuse Anastasia of being a scam outfit,that are the real dishonest,misleading ones  :evilgrin0002:,not those sweet,honest,sincere Ukrainian agency girls,and their agencies,that use Anastasia. :saint:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 12, 2012, 05:38:40 PM
Brass,

         Why did i join Anastasia 18 months ago ?

Because i was communicating with a girl on another site,who then informed me she was leaving that site,but would be available on Anastasia still.

So,i joined Anastasia to stay in touch with her,leaving my photo off my profile there assuming no-one else would contact me,but they still did,and many of them.

Despite my misgivings about the girl now being an Anastasia girl,i did meet her in Kiev,and she turned out to be a prodater/scammer,the experience of which i've already written about on another thread.

So,you can try and deflect my comments about Anastasia as much as you like,but i know the real truth.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Tom Cat on August 12, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
 Brass, what do you make of this?

#200172953 Customer Support Dear Thomas, Thank you for your letter. I have re-read Elena's ID: 57533 36th letter. I have contacted the agency and have fined them for this inconvenience they have caused. I have also warned them that if this issue is repeated, the interpreter will be requested to be fired. I would like to assure you that the ladies write their letters in English and it is impossible for Elena to replace your name - Thomas with a name Mark. I hope that Elena's daughter will get well soon. Thank you for your understanding in this issue. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Best regards, Anton, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 12 Mar 2007

 
#200217519 Customer Support Dear Tom, Thank you for your letter. Please remember that we can not be responsible for the ladies' correspondence with you. I have tried to settle this situation for more than three months, and I am sure that you will agree with me. However, the lady has continued her inappropriate behavior. I have contacted her local agency and have requested the explanation of this issue. After I receive the lady's reply, I will make the decision about the deletion of thelady from our system. We provide the opportunity to both ladies and gentlemen to comfortably correspond. But we are not able to understand the ladies' intention for joining the site, though we work hard for protecting our customers and maintaining high standards of service. I will keep you informed. Best regards, Anton, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 18 May 2007 

Customer Support Dear Thomas, We contacted the local agency of Elena (ID: 57533). The matter is that Elena's profile was removed on 4/26/2007, she canceled her membership due to unspecified personal reason. I added 1 credit back to your account for sending this letter. Best regards, Maria, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 21 May 2007
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Elana was removed from Anastasia, but I was still able to write her on several other sites.
she ended up on many scam sites and had some very interesting comments from the men that went to meet her.

I would be glad to post the complete exchange with Anastasia as I did call them out on this letter writing scam.
 There were many red flags that  made clear Elena could not have written her own letters.
she did not even know her own profession for God sake. :nod:

Elana's Profile was removed for personal reason being, this way Anastasia would not need to give a  refund.

Google    "Enena Alekseenko" you will see she has a colorful past


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on August 12, 2012, 06:44:16 PM

...which leads me back to my origianl question...
. I would rather think that AW's customer services communication with me would be more of a proof to the scam going on. And their confirmation that they removed the lady from the site.

I have no doubt  that the gist of what you are saying is truthfull.The problem is that when one individual case ( like yours here) is argued it diverts the real issues into a one off personal attack--on you.Those that seek to discredit the critics attempt to pick flaws in the individual and their comments. What can too easily be ignored is that what you are saying is in effect-- another confirmation of the malpractice of these sites-- I include many others-- as they feed from many of the same agencies.
      So-- getting involved in a yes/no argument about one case( if you read the forum there must be 1000+ posts saying much the same as you are) is a diversion from a bigger picture issues that have been touched on in this thread.
       If you read the thread carefully-- you will see the attempts to keep discussion on the lowest common denominator( ie individual cases)-- think about why those people that are attempting to do that-- now that is something that does interest me-- and then-- what can really be done in real terms( I am not talking about a few chargebacks)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on August 12, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
eldanes,

          Not sure i'm the person you should be asking,seeing as how i've been accused of being a liar by Brass.

Clearly,it's us people that accuse Anastasia of being a scam outfit,that are the real dishonest,misleading ones  :evilgrin0002:,not those sweet,honest,sincere Ukrainian agency girls,and their agencies,that use Anastasia. :saint:
CB  --you know we are in agreement here on the big picture issues and most of what is being said about the websites( I include most as the agencies feed to many sites).
           The one area that needs some caution is the vilification of all Ukrainians, all the girls motives and attitudes. I do not doubt your experiences in any way-- what I am saying is that not all are guilty as accused.  As you can read in this thread-- despite being involved in agencies-- a girl  did meet her husband and is now getting on with life.(Sashcat) . As he said-- she now has a much wider understanding of the issues involved.
           I have spoken to many in Ukraine-- and no-- I am not going to get to specific (  Sashacat has already touched on how dangerous that could be) --people who do know this business and also many girls,some  who no nothing or not much more than their small part. Basically the rationalisation to the girls is that the guys are volunteering to spend their money-- so how can anything be wrong with that. Of course-- it totally misses the point that money is being spent on false premise-- ie that girl is looking for a husband. Short answer-- girl is looking but not for  fat 70 WM.
           Now-- if you read carefully on forum-- you will see that what is essentially the same rationalisation is made by the defenders of the websites-- ie  a fool is soon parted from his money.
           What seems to be missed is the fact the US companies have constructed their business in such a way that makes them near impossible  to bring to account over the misrepresentations they preside over.
   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on August 12, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
eldanes,

          Not sure i'm the person you should be asking,seeing as how i've been accused of being a liar by Brass.

Clearly,it's us people that accuse Anastasia of being a scam outfit,that are the real dishonest,misleading ones  :evilgrin0002:,not those sweet,honest,sincere Ukrainian agency girls,and their agencies,that use Anastasia. :saint:
CB  --you know we are in agreement here on the big picture issues and most of what is being said about the websites( I include most as the agencies feed to many sites).
           The one area that needs some caution is the vilification of all Ukrainians, all the girls motives and attitudes. I do not doubt your experiences in any way-- what I am saying is that not all are guilty as accused.  As you can read in this thread-- despite being involved in agencies-- a girl  did meet her husband and is now getting on with life.(Sashcat) . As he said-- she now has a much wider understanding of the issues involved.
           I have spoken to many in Ukraine-- and no-- I am not going to get to specific (  Sashacat has already touched on how dangerous that could be) --people who do know this business and also many girls,some  who no nothing or not much more than their small part. Basically the rationalisation to the girls is that the guys are volunteering to spend their money-- so how can anything be wrong with that. Of course-- it totally misses the point that money is being spent on false premise-- ie that girl is looking for a husband. Short answer-- girl is looking but not for  fat 70 WM.
           Now-- if you read carefully on forum-- you will see that what is essentially the same rationalisation is made by the defenders of the websites-- ie  a fool is soon parted from his money.
           What seems to be missed is the fact the US companies have constructed their business in such a way that makes them near imposFromsible  to bring to account over the misrepresentations they preside over.
   

JayH, from what I know of Ukraine and agencies, this is spot on, IMHO....
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on August 12, 2012, 07:30:40 PM
Yes Jay you're correct,not all Ukrainian agency girls working the large western facing dating sites,including Anastasia, are bad news.
A Kharkov interpreter,who used to work in the marriage agency business,will tell you 80 % of the girls on those sites are dishonest.

Sashcat found one of the other 20 %  :)

Brass,before you start slating me for another unsubstantiated rumour ,you can speak to the interpreter yourself.I think she knows more about what goes on out there than you ever will.
I'm sure you know who i'm talking about.If not i can send you a pm.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Donhollio on August 12, 2012, 09:23:21 PM
The before mentioned friend of mine who now works on cruse ships tells me every time she is back in Odessa and hear a foreigner sitting at a table with two girls that clearly tells him BS she goes over to his table and tell him she will be his terp for free for the next 10 min. and will then tell what she has overheard and leave.

Eldanés

 :laugh: On the few occasions I went to the places the western tourist would take their date, I often wished I knew Russian because from where I was seated, it wasn't looking too promising for the guy.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 13, 2012, 07:26:20 AM
Alright, just attach the 1099-Miscellaneous showing Anatasia paid you $600. in 1998 on the backboard.

Not impressed Shakey. You've posted a number of times over the years that you were an "employee" "consultant" "independent contractor" or otherwise "worked" or were "employed" for/by Anastasia. A 1099 form is for 'nonemployee' compensation.


I think I have enough "street credibility" on this forum to get over your failure to be impressed.

Every word I've said is true.  Every statement I've made is backed by facts.

I will grant that my experience (from 1998-1999) is certainly dated and there is a possibility that the corporate culture at Anastasia could have changed 180-degrees from then until now.  There is also a possibility one can get struck by falling debris from space.  I'd calculate the odds for each as virtually identical. 

Elena Besuden is a very clever and intelligent woman.  As the internet was developing for business use, she conceptualized how this could be applied to international dating.  Using her existing contacts in Russia, Anastasia International morphed into AnastasiaWeb and she became a millionaire many times over.  You have to respect her for her foresight and management skills to accomplish this task.  She is truly an internet millionaire. 

That said, the contempt they have for their customers, the way they conduct their business and the way they handle customer complaints makes them a company to avoid if possible.     
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 13, 2012, 07:31:22 AM

...which leads me back to my origianl question...
. I would rather think that AW's customer services communication with me would be more of a proof to the scam going on. And their confirmation that they removed the lady from the site.

I have no doubt  that the gist of what you are saying is truthfull.The problem is that when one individual case ( like yours here) is argued it diverts the real issues into a one off personal attack--on you.Those that seek to discredit the critics attempt to pick flaws in the individual and their comments. What can too easily be ignored is that what you are saying is in effect-- another confirmation of the malpractice of these sites-- I include many others-- as they feed from many of the same agencies.
      So-- getting involved in a yes/no argument about one case( if you read the forum there must be 1000+ posts saying much the same as you are) is a diversion from a bigger picture issues that have been touched on in this thread.
       If you read the thread carefully-- you will see the attempts to keep discussion on the lowest common denominator( ie individual cases)-- think about why those people that are attempting to do that-- now that is something that does interest me-- and then-- what can really be done in real terms( I am not talking about a few chargebacks)

Jay,

To be honest with you and everybody I personally could not care a monkeys about about proof and which agency is worst than the other. My basic opinion is they are equally bad.
It may be that one just more bad than the other in terms of presenting an image of the MOB business to men. An image that is basically fake - you could say using photoshop on the reality of life.
I am also not saying they are liars - merely just handeling the truth quite carelessly.

I am no longer looking or going to Ukraine for the purpose of find a partner. I gave up on that looooong ago. I do want to travel to Ukraine to meet the few Ukrainian friends I actually trust and enjoy spending time with - perhaps also to screew a few ladies of the night. But honestly, even if there were just Ukrainian women left in the world I would rather use one of my hands wank myself to relief. This is how poor my view is on FSU ladies.

One member here on this site was having communications with a lady, he met her in Ukraine. When he returned and told about his meeting I told him precisely what would be happening with the relationship the next few months to come.
After a few months down the line he came back and said: "Michael I must say I admire you quite a lot". "You never bull shit and tell the things as you see them."
Me: "And why all this flatter?" "Are you proposing to me or what?"
He answered: "When I came back from my trip to Urkaine you told me what I should expect." "It all happend 100 percent".

Bottom line is there may be a lot of apples in the basket, many of them already rotten an few still usable. However, once one apple goes rotten the apples surounding it often goes the same way. It's just a vicious circle you almost never get out of.

My ex-girlfriend were back home in Ukraine from the US. She need her passport renewed. She was appaled. She was being pushed arround like if she was a foreigner and expected to pay the foreigner price of her passsport. She freaked but they just laughed at her. Basically telling "bitch you are nolonger one of us so cough up"
It's is like the mentallity in FSA is it is okay to trick and cheat somebody if he/she has more than me.

Any ways back on track, I just want as many guys to know that you can't buy double cream for the price of semi skimmed milk.
In fact there is a guy who described the guys who go to Colombia very well. I think that fits perfectly the image of the guys going to Ukraine as well. Just substitue everywhere it says Colombia with Ukraine and you get the picture.

Colombia gets hyped up as having amazingly stunning and beautiful women.
The reason is that men with no game and who can’t get laid in their home country, especially aging men past their prime, come to Colombia and start getting IOIs (indicators of interest) for he first time in their lives from the women.

Typical scenario: A 50-year old guy with no game and a big belly (let’s call him “Smith”), who never gets eye contact from a girl back home in say, Georgia, suddenly touches ground in Medellin, Colombia and suddenly 30-year old women are making eye contact with him.

Add to that, Smith hasn’t traveled much before, and being in a new country feels exciting.  He feels young again and his testosterone is pumping.

Smith has a date with a MILF that he set up on Amigos.com beforehand, bangs a few hookers, gets some eye contact from the local ladies, and then goes back home to Georgia telling everyone that Colombia has absolutely the hottest women on the planet, and that the U.S. only has ugly “fem- :censored:s” who won’t give him the time of day.

It’s not that your typical 20 year old girl in Colombia is any hotter than your typical 20 year old girl in Miami or Los Angeles.  She isn’t.

But to the old guy Smith who hasn’t gotten laid in over ten years, he’s suddenly being validated with eye contact, he’s on a travel high, his ego shoots through the roof, and he thinks he’s in pussy and hot women paradise.

The truth is, his opinions are wrapped up in his own ego.  He is in no way objective.

So take heed that you can meet just as beautiful women in the U.S. or Europe as long as your game is tight and you don’t shit on your body with fast food.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 13, 2012, 08:15:34 AM
Typical scenario: A 50-year old guy with no game and a big belly (let’s call him “Smith”), who never gets eye contact from a girl back home in say, Georgia, suddenly touches ground in Medellin, Colombia and suddenly 30-year old women are making eye contact with him.

Add to that, Smith hasn’t traveled much before, and being in a new country feels exciting.  He feels young again and his testosterone is pumping.

Smith has a date with a MILF that he set up on Amigos.com beforehand, bangs a few hookers, gets some eye contact from the local ladies, and then goes back home to Georgia telling everyone that Colombia has absolutely the hottest women on the planet, and that the U.S. only has ugly “fem- :censored:s” who won’t give him the time of day.

It’s not that your typical 20 year old girl in Colombia is any hotter than your typical 20 year old girl in Miami or Los Angeles.  She isn’t.

But to the old guy Smith who hasn’t gotten laid in over ten years, he’s suddenly being validated with eye contact, he’s on a travel high, his ego shoots through the roof, and he thinks he’s in pussy and hot women paradise.

The truth is, his opinions are wrapped up in his own ego.  He is in no way objective. 

+1

I would go so far as to describe this as not "typical", but "normal".
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 09:24:08 AM
I think I have enough "street credibility" on this forum to get over your failure to be impressed.

Every word I've said is true.  Every statement I've made is backed by facts.

I will grant that my experience (from 1998-1999) is certainly dated and there is a possibility that the corporate culture at Anastasia could have changed 180-degrees from then until now.  There is also a possibility one can get struck by falling debris from space.  I'd calculate the odds for each as virtually identical. 

Elena Besuden is a very clever and intelligent woman.  As the internet was developing for business use, she conceptualized how this could be applied to international dating.  Using her existing contacts in Russia, Anastasia International morphed into AnastasiaWeb and she became a millionaire many times over.  You have to respect her for her foresight and management skills to accomplish this task.  She is truly an internet millionaire. 

That said, the contempt they have for their customers, the way they conduct their business and the way they handle customer complaints makes them a company to avoid if possible.   

Just to let those reading know, Shakey has attached his 1998 1099-M showing his compensation ($600.) elsewhere.  :)

Still, you gave and have given over the years the impression you were more involved with the agency than what you were compensated for (imo). However, I asked, you produced. Fire away Rm mod.

Brass

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
However, I am not entirely sure why Olga is a major factor in this. I would rather think that AW's customer services communication with me would be more of a proof to the scam going on. And their confirmation that they removed the lady from the site.

She's not. I consider very corroborative to have someone who actually took part in the process nearby though, it lends credibility to your assertions.

OK, next...does not removal of this profile lend credence to the idea that they're (Anastasia) trying to do the right thing though?

Finding and removing a scammer is proactive, no?

Did you receive compensation for your communications with this lady or some sort of credit/refund?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 09:44:06 AM
Brass,

         Why did i join Anastasia 18 months ago ?

Because i was communicating with a girl on another site,who then informed me she was leaving that site,but would be available on Anastasia still.

So,i joined Anastasia to stay in touch with her,leaving my photo off my profile there assuming no-one else would contact me,but they still did,and many of them.

Despite my misgivings about the girl now being an Anastasia girl,i did meet her in Kiev,and she turned out to be a prodater/scammer,the experience of which i've already written about on another thread.

So,you can try and deflect my comments about Anastasia as much as you like,but i know the real truth.

No you didn't Chelsea...You went there to test the reaction...

Hello Matt,

            I put my profile on there about a year ago,without any photo,to test the reaction.

I was receiving about ten letters a day from drop-dead gorgeous hotties.

Those Anastasia girls sure are desperate to marry a foreign guy,it doesn't even matter what you look like. (:)

Girls on that site are rewarded with prizes,including a new car,for being the most productive chatters on there.

I would give the site a BIG negative.

...Keep trying though. :chuckle:

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 13, 2012, 09:51:01 AM
Still, you gave and have given over the years the impression you were more involved with the agency than what you were compensated for (imo). However, I asked, you produced.

Compensation does not necessarily equal knowledge.

Janitors know much more than they're compensated for because they have access to everything in the building.

I was in their offices enough to know what was going on and to see exactly how the company operated. 

I spent several nights in Winchester, KY as a houseguest of David Besuden.

The Office Manager was and still is a good friend of mine. 

You're trying to defend the indefensible here Brass. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
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OK, next...does not removal of this profile lend credence to the idea that they're (Anastasia) trying to do the right thing though?
Are you taking the mickey? So the customer back-corner AW, no way to escape, and they are doing the right thing! You must f joking when saying doing the right thing.

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Finding and removing a scammer is proactive, no?

Finding scammer/dishonest ladies themself is good but it was actually me who did the finding and had to caugh up for trip, food, gift expenses. No reimbursment there so sorry that was not proactive at all.

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Did you receive compensation for your communications with this lady or some sort of credit/refund?
Brass, somtimes I am not sure if you are joking or having a laugh. AW gives fuk all back to anybody unless the customer take it back themselves.

Eldanes,

Look at this topic. Without rancour, you and the others couldn't make your case regardless of the veracity of what your trying to say happened. You don't supply the right information.

You people would rather yip on about scam this and scam that without actually saying anything. :chuckle:

I'm trying to elicite the real/relevant information from you. I'm not joking or making fun of you, drunk or a shill. Think about the readership, try to think of it as if a new member with absolutely no knowledge of anything about this endeavor is seeking information and your telling him. :)

For lack of a better term, I'm walking you through your testimony.

So, somewhere in all that I think you stated no, you did not receive compensation for credits wasted, is that correct? :)

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 10:27:01 AM
Brass,before you start slating me for another unsubstantiated rumour ,you can speak to the interpreter yourself.I think she knows more about what goes on out there than you ever will.
I'm sure you know who i'm talking about.If not i can send you a pm.

Howbout you just stop playing cryptic games and post whatever it is you're on about?

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
Brass, what do you make of this?

#200172953 Customer Support Dear Thomas, Thank you for your letter. I have re-read Elena's ID: 57533 36th letter. I have contacted the agency and have fined them for this inconvenience they have caused. I have also warned them that if this issue is repeated, the interpreter will be requested to be fired. I would like to assure you that the ladies write their letters in English and it is impossible for Elena to replace your name - Thomas with a name Mark. I hope that Elena's daughter will get well soon. Thank you for your understanding in this issue. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Best regards, Anton, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 12 Mar 2007

 
#200217519 Customer Support Dear Tom, Thank you for your letter. Please remember that we can not be responsible for the ladies' correspondence with you. I have tried to settle this situation for more than three months, and I am sure that you will agree with me. However, the lady has continued her inappropriate behavior. I have contacted her local agency and have requested the explanation of this issue. After I receive the lady's reply, I will make the decision about the deletion of thelady from our system. We provide the opportunity to both ladies and gentlemen to comfortably correspond. But we are not able to understand the ladies' intention for joining the site, though we work hard for protecting our customers and maintaining high standards of service. I will keep you informed. Best regards, Anton, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 18 May 2007 

Customer Support Dear Thomas, We contacted the local agency of Elena (ID: 57533). The matter is that Elena's profile was removed on 4/26/2007, she canceled her membership due to unspecified personal reason. I added 1 credit back to your account for sending this letter. Best regards, Maria, AW Customer Service www.anastasiaweb.com 21 May 2007
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Elana was removed from Anastasia, but I was still able to write her on several other sites.
she ended up on many scam sites and had some very interesting comments from the men that went to meet her.

I would be glad to post the complete exchange with Anastasia as I did call them out on this letter writing scam.
 There were many red flags that  made clear Elena could not have written her own letters.
she did not even know her own profession for God sake. :nod:

Elana's Profile was removed for personal reason being, this way Anastasia would not need to give a  refund.

Google    "Enena Alekseenko" you will see she has a colorful past

Based on what's here, I say you have a legitimate complaint. Time being one of the factors. No way you should be waiting 2.5 months for a resolution 'period' - two weeks at the outside. However, again on what you've posted here, there is not enough info to extrapolate if this woman did remove her own profile or not (the refund).

Either way you should have received some form of compensation.

I'm curious, how did you ascertain she was not aware of her own profession, did you visit her, continue correponding or was she contradicting herself in her own letters? and

Did you continue using the Agency?

Brass

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on August 13, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Still, you gave and have given over the years the impression you were more involved with the agency than what you were compensated for (imo). However, I asked, you produced.

Compensation does not necessarily equal knowledge.

Janitors know much more than they're compensated for because they have access to everything in the building.

I was in their offices enough to know what was going on and to see exactly how the company operated. 

I spent several nights in Winchester, KY as a houseguest of David Besuden.

The Office Manager was and still is a good friend of mine. 

You're trying to defend the indefensible here Brass.

I haven't been very active on the forum for a while. Maybe there are some personality conflicts that I don't know about. Honestly, I just don't understand Brass's position concerning Anastasia. (shrugs shoulders).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 13, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
I haven't been very active on the forum for a while. Maybe there are some personality conflicts that I don't know about. Honestly, I just don't understand Brass's position concerning Anastasia. (shrugs shoulders).

I think the principle that Brass is fighting for is a good one.

That principle is accusations are easy to make when you don't have to provide proof. 

Sometimes what people hold out as proof isn't really proof at all. 

I just don't think he's picked the right agency as his example on which to base the defense of this principle.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Brasscasing on August 13, 2012, 12:35:26 PM
I haven't been very active on the forum for a while. Maybe there are some personality conflicts that I don't know about. Honestly, I just don't understand Brass's position concerning Anastasia. (shrugs shoulders).

Hiya Boris,

I would rather have 10% verifiable/corroborative/credible complaints than the 90% sermonizing, crusading, looped program speculative vitriolic rhetoric being spewed by the fringe on this topic.

Brass
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2012, 08:13:56 AM
OK.

I've cleaned up the topic a bit and will re-open it for discussion.

Let's try to keep this topic about specific experiences with Anastasia International, AnastasiaWeb and any of their affiliates, subchapter corporations or key management personnel.

Thanks in advance.

Shakespear
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
OK.

I've cleaned up the topic a bit and will re-open it for discussion.

Let's try to keep this topic about specific experiences with Anastasia International, AnastasiaWeb and any of their affiliates, subchapter corporations or key management personnel.

Thanks in advance.

Shakespear

Shakespear,

I suggest we start over for my part. As you say we are discussing specific experiences with AW et al.
Nobody is going to raise a court case and as this is a discussion about experience there is no requirement for proof or evidence.

Everybody can form their own opinion of any posting made. We are all fairly intelligent and should be able to make informed decisions as to whether or not a post is valid or not with or without evidence or proof. Or the poster being crucified and labelled in any form or shape.
Obviously, if something seems too farfetched one can ask questions. But to accuse posters of lying is not appropriate and even less if you are a moderator of a board.

In fact I wonder if you guys amongst the moderators do not have any procedures or work instructions how to manage this forum.
Well, that was just a thought that passed my mind and not really my business but I did for the sake of it look up the definition of being a moderator and frankly it says between the lines a moderator when promoted from user to moderator changes status to becoming more of a policing capacity than contributor.

Perhaps, and this said as a friendly gesture, brass and other moderators should take your roles as moderator less seriously in the sense of policing and more like domestic cleaners on the sections you are moderators of. Perhaps even better; not to post in the forum/fora where he/she is a moderator in order not to miscredit his authority and the board itself.

Let's take an example from the real world.
We have this medical product recently released on the market. It's being highly praised and many are using the product. They find that the product gives them super powers.
Sometime later it is discovered there are some side effects reported by many users of the product. When they are using the product they become warewolves but nobody has ever seen it happen but many users claims the same scenario is happening to them. No explanation can be found. The manufacture keeps the product on the market. They are making piles of gold on the product. The medical authorities around the world don't know what to do. There is no proof of the side effects in clinical tests yet 10 per cent of the users claim the same story almost to the dot.
Should we ignore the claims? Should we halt the sale and see what happens and investigate into the phenomenon? Or should we disregard the stories because there is no evidence that the stories are true?

I think, as a minimum, we should allow the users and any future user of the product know that there is a potential issue which can't be confirmed 100 per cent but there is some evidence to certain side effects-

Now, back to the core. What I am posting in this thread is my experience with AW I think the more people that post their experience with any (in ttis case marriage agency) subject, product or service the wiser we all become.
Why should any fresher throw his hard earned money away the first 6-12 months of his adventure when we may be able to reduce this to say 2-3 months of meaningless money spending on fake ladies on various web sites?

Many thanks,
Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
Yeah, but if some of the people with the 'claimed' side effects had only experienced them after stealing the product.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' had also had the same 'side effects' with other different drugs.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' displayed the same symptoms of thse claimed side effects in normal life.

In those cases it'd make sense for even a very casually handled forum to want to try to sort out the people who were simply the mentally ill, disaffected, liars and dishonest crowd seekers from those who might, just possibly, have had some kind of extra side effect.

Coz that's what we have here and it is what Brass was trying, I think, to address.

I'd be really interested to see credible people with real stories to tell. The odd thing is that the most credible folks seem to be those who say stuff like 'I hear they (whoever 'they' may be in this context) are a bit hinky and I came across some strange profiles but I ignored those and met up with XYZ person in Kiev last month and we are getting on just great.'

The moaners and whiners are folks who, on the whole, never come to terms with the reality that the very process of MOB stuff is riddled with dishonesty and take actions to minimise the effects and go on to find that which they seek.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2012, 01:18:46 PM
I suggest we start over for my part. As you say we are discussing specific experiences with AW et al.
Nobody is going to raise a court case and as this is a discussion about experience there is no requirement for proof or evidence. 

There is a big difference between posting ones personal experience and posting what is allegedly factual information concerning quota contact requirements made on ladies by specific agencies. 

One doesn't need proof, the other does.  Certainly you can see the difference between the two can't you?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on August 14, 2012, 01:51:49 PM
For what it is worth, I recently used up the dozen or so credits I purchased from A-Web before finding this site.

They seemed WAAAY too happy to get my letters.

As in, I suspect, FAKE.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 03:08:12 PM
I earlier on in this thread mentioned I had a lady removed from AW.

I would like to provide some back ground information so things are pu in their right perspective. I am not looking for simpathy or advice. I am here with this matter for educational purposes.

I have stated several times that am I looking for birds with big boobs. In the western world we are talking about a D cup and up, yet still a pair of nicely planted boobs that are not hanging too far down south. A nice looking bird not too pretty; just a 6-8 will do. A bird who is simple minded, uncomplicated and honest.

I am also the sort of person that even if there are some doggy stuf going on I will give the person the bennefit of the doubt until I can prove differently. This may explain my actions to a certain degree.

I found this bird below on Anastasia (These photos are from our meeting in Odessa and one of them has bopth Tatiana and myself on it to prove I did actually meet the bird).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98050088/Tati.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98050088/Tati%20and%20Michael.jpg

Obviously, interested as at first sight she looked physically as what I was after however as you can see form the following correspondance with the customer service something was not quite right.

Message 1/41 Jun 16, 2009 03:36 p.m. Michael

Hello,

Hope you can resolve this little mystery i have got with 37464 and I hope you can do that in confidence as I do not want to ruin any chances with the lady should the translator be the crook and on the other hand I do not want to spend time and money going to Odessa if this is just yet another girl/agency game making money from men.

1. She gave the following information during our first communication.
65065 Ukraine Odessa
ul. Generala Petrova, X
X Tatiana
8093 90 9XX XX

Now, my interpreter in Ukraine phoned the number and the lady who answered the mobile was very confused when she was asked if she was Tatiana and gave another name only after 10-15 seconds she realised she was Tatiana when my interpreter told who she was.
I suspect the number is not for the lady but for the interpreter and that she did not give the mobile number of the lady when I requested this.
Can you confirm the correct address and mobile number of the lady?

2. In the 2nd answer from Tatiana she mentioned that she had spend the weekend with her parents.
When my interpreter and I phoned the before mentioned telephone number last evening (and I have this conversation recorded if you should which to listen to the conversation) I asked what she had been doing in the weekend. She told she had been to discos with her friends??!! So we got two different occupations durring the weekend.
To me it sounds that either the lady is not serious and honestly interested in finding someone and is just helping a translator friend in the agency "Odessa ladies" because she happens to be attractive or god know what they are up to. Could be another greedy translator wanting to get another translation fee from a quick translation/letter she made up.

Many thanks,

Michael

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Message 2/41 Jun 16, 2009 03:53 p.m. Olga, manager
Hello Michael!
We will check this situation. As soon as we receive any information we will inform you.
Best wishes,
Olga

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Message 3/41 Jun 17, 2009 09:21 a.m. Olga, manager
Hello Michael!
We checked the address and phone number of lady and it's right.

Best wishes,
Olga

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Message 4/41 Aug 14, 2009 11:59 a.m. Michael
Hello,

I know it has been a while with this lady, but I have actually no been able to establish contact with her on the phone number she has given since you confirmed the number to be correct.
In fact for the last two-three weeks the number is no longer in service.
Could you please get the lady to confirm if is is indeed serious and interested before I am going to Odessa and get a telephone number where my translator can arrange our meeting with her?

Many thanks,
Michael

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Message 5/41 Aug 14, 2009 02:24 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Number is correct and lady is interested in our service. If you need we can give you phone number of our local agency, staff from the agency will help you to arrange meeting.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 6/41 Sep 15, 2009 01:59 p.m. Michael
Hello,

I am honestly very very sorry having to bring this lady to your attention again.

I have now more than 10 times since you confirmed the lady was indeed interested in YOUR services phoned this lady from early morning to early evening and have not even once managed to speak to her.
I have purchased my airline ticket, taken my holiday and arranged accomodation for 12 of October 09 yet I am currently not going as it seems most ladies are not very serious.
Can you please see if you at all can establish why this woman is still on these web pages being quite attractive yet has been on your site for about 8 months and still on your site? It would explain why she is there as never answer her own messages or accepts telephone calls my guess would be she is just an agency teaser.

In fact you have previously given me the telephone number for her agency manager whom I phoned about two weeks ago. May I tell you that this manager is VERY rude and has absolutly no interest in anything but making money which she actually confirmed as well as telling me that I was wasting her time and money speaking to her when I did not have any confirmed date when I would be in Odessa as she would need to plan her time for my translations. She would not hear of I bringing my own translator.

Well, as I said sorry for being a pest.

Michael
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Message 7/41 Sep 15, 2009 02:49 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We will clear this situation and will inform you about any results.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 8/41 Sep 17, 2009 01:40 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We contacted our local agencies and they told us that you contacted them but you asked to arrange meeting with ladies rom other agencies. One lady was from their agency but you didn't corresponde with her and she is not interested in you.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 9/41 Sep 17, 2009 03:19 p.m. Michael
Hello,

That is absolutly not correct.

As you know my telephone system records all my telephone conversations so I will find the recording for the conversation I had with the lady as well as with the profile manager and send to you.

Again more lies.
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Message 10/41 Sep 17, 2009 03:30 p.m. Michael
Your know what....

The information you refer to sounds more like a conversation I had yesterday with KNK Diamonds. That conversation has absolutly nothing to do with the communication I an persuing with the lady 37464 who are with Odessalady
+38063139XXXX
Svetlana, manager.

I think you are refering to the conversation I had with Kate at KNK Diamonds which, by the way, is also wrong. It appears Kate did not understand a word of what I told her in the end of our conversation. I also will forward you that telephone conversation I had with Kate as I will with the two recordings relating to lady 37464.

Or perhaps Odessa ladies and KNK diamonds are one and the same agency?
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Message 11/41 Sep 17, 2009 04:04 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
No matter what we are clarifying question regarding your meeting with lady 37464 with our local agency.
If you want to meet other ladies write us and we will give you phone number of local agencies they belong to.
Please send us your conversation with Kate at KNK Diamonds.
Odessa ladies and KNK diamonds are not one and the same agency.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 12/41 Sep 17, 2009 04:15 p.m. Michael Lindhardt
Svetlana,

The conversations file is too large for this ticket. I have emailed them to your customer service email address for your attention.
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Message 15/41 Sep 18, 2009 02:03 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,

We listened your conversations. We will contact our local agency regarding this conversations (Svetlana-Odessa ladies).
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Message 17/41 Sep 18, 2009 03:30 p.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

I believe that after you have listen to the conversations relating to Svetlana/Tatiana that you apriciate my concern regarding this situation. At least I belive you understand why I got very upset and why I have continusley been telling you that Tatiana, and perhaps Odessa ladies, is/are not serious in this business.

You see, when I go to Ukraine for say 1 week I spend money on the trip, meetings, food, accomodation which is all fine but I do also spend 7 days of my holiday and loose my salery for 1 week with is MUCh more than what I am spending by going to Ukraine. The ladies and the agencies has absolutly no understanding that in the West our time is MUCH more worth than the money we spend on a trip. For you going to a restaurent with a western man is for him to show he has got money. But that money is much less than the money he is loosing if he was to coock a meal at home for the lady. So when a western man offers to cook at home for a lady it is in fact worth much more than going to a restaurent and shows MUCh more commitment towards a woman than bringing her to a restaurent - which any man can do with very little effort.

That is what pisses off us western men. Yeah, I know that was a little side track but I think it is important for you and your colleagues to know our way of thinking so you do not mistake "greed", as you call it in FSU, with something which in fact is of much more value in our eyes.

Thanks for listening to me :-)

Michael

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Message 18/41 Sep 18, 2009 04:19 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We understand you and will do our best to solve this problem.
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 19/41 Sep 20, 2009 03:14 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Our local agency wrote us that lady 37464 will be able to talk to you today 9-10 p.m (Kiev time).
Please contact her and inform us about your talk. Were you able to talk to her or not. It will be better if you call her with someone who will translate your conversation.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 20/41 Sep 20, 2009 10:45 p.m. Michael
Hello,

You told tatiana would be available between 21:00 and 22:00 on the 20/09/09.

She was however, after aprox. 12 mins of conversation she suddently had an apointment and had to leave. I mean if she had agreed with you to be available for one hour how can she suddently have another angagement in the same laps of time?
Silly excuse in my opinion and another example of that I suspect she is a coy for her agency. Also she did not want to use my translator but only one from the agency which usually is a good sign on co-operation of agency/profile manager and the lady. Hope you agree with me.

I have sent the conversation file as email to your service center email address because it's too big for the ticket for you own judgement.

Michael
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Message 21/41 Sep 21, 2009 03:37 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We will listen your file (conversation) and will decide what to do.
Regards,
Svetlana.
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Message 23/41 Oct 10, 2009 05:35 p.m. Michael
Hello,
Just want to let you know, that ever since last "arranged telephone conversation" it has been impossible to establish contact. The phone is answered but hung up without anything said.

Many thanks,
Michael
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Message 24/41 Oct 12, 2009 01:58 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
What number do you mean? Is it number if the agency?
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 25/41 Oct 12, 2009 11:57 p.m. Michael
Hi Svetlana,

No, it is not the number for Svetlana the manager I was talking about but the number for Tatiana
8093 90 9XX XX.

I spoke to Svetlana (which is apparently not the person who answered the phone as she told me her name was not Svetlana) and she told that she will set up the appointment with Tatiana. My friends in Kherson did phone 8093 90 9XX XX several times to arrange a meeting but they also did not have any luck and finally they phoned the number I have for the profile manager who apparently was very aware of the problmes that apparently everybody has in getting some sort of contact on the before mentioned number.

Now the profile manager has set up a meeting for tomorrow the 13/10/09 11:00 so lets see what that brings.

Thanks for you help on this matter. I know it is mostly not your companys fault all these things most mostly the satelite agencies who " :censored: up".

Many thanks from Kiev... On the way to Odessa..

Michael
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Message 26/41 Oct 13, 2009 02:07 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Ok, Michael.
If you have any problems, please, contact us at one for us to solve problem while you are in lady's city.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 30/41 Oct 19, 2009 01:35 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Thank you for photos. We are glad that everything was fine. Will you continue your relations with lady?
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 31/41 Oct 19, 2009 02:10 p.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

Yes, we are working on it. We are currently discussing/arranging to get Tatayana a International passport and she will be taking English lessons starting this week with my friend Elvira (who has been teaching English before) in Odessa.
We are also planning for a trip to Denmark to celebrate Christmas and after Christmas we are planning to go to Great Britain.

I am going to agree with Tatyana this week for us to remove our profiles and will of course in due cause advise you of this.

Best regards and many thanks,

Michael
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Message 32/41 Oct 19, 2009 02:21 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We wish you good luck!!! If you have any questions or problems you always can write us, we will be glad to help you.
Svetlana.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
Message 33/41 Jan 23, 2010 00:59 a.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

Sorry, for not having updated you long ago but I have been rather tied up. Also I am sorry if I am going to ruin anyone’s weekend with this message :-)
This is not a complaint about your company any of the agencies or anything like that. It’s just observations of mine. I am also going to send this message to all other agencies where Tatiana is listed as I don’t find it reasonable (taking into account what I have experienced with my encounter with her). So, you can choose to act on it or you can choose to ignore the information as you please, but obviously I personally think you should act on the information I am providing as lady 37464 - Tatiana X is, in my humble opinion, nothing but what I would call a “professional dater” allied with a translator charging 15 USD per hour. Further more I don’t understand why she is still on your pages if she is now engaged with some other man but you read on and you will see what I mean.

1st. day in Odessa meeting Tatiana.
We met up at 11:30 in the morning and I was taken to a restaurant where the bill ran up to Hry. 1800 and I did not even eat anything only had two cups of black tea. I was asked to pay Tatiana’s taxi which was hry. 250 (because, as I was told, Tatiana lives far from Odessa)

In the evening the translator phoned asking if I wanted to go out with Tatiana as she was free to meet. I was picked up by Tatiana and her translator I a friends car (a guy who acted as driver and charged a fortune for each and every journey- what I am trying to say is that if Elvira (she is my personal friend in Odessa) would phone for a taxi bringing me from downtown Odessa 30 mins. drive to her house the driver would charge me hry. 25-30 whereas the translators friend would charge me hry. 60-70 for 5-10 mins. ride inside downtown Odessa). Anyhow, I told I did not want to go out to a restaurant so they decided we should go to a Japanese restaurant which had a “home cinema” installed to watch a film there. Was told that one could order drinks and food if one wanted. We stayed there for 2½-3 hours or so just watching movies and next to no conversation took place. I having tea and the ladies just ordered drinks and food without consulting me at all – I did not say anything because I am a decent person and have good manners. The bill ran up to hry. 600 and something plus the usual taxi fee of hry. 250 for Tatiana to get home. I was brought to my flat and was asked to pay hry 120 so the translator could be brought home as well (mind you Tatiana and her translator left together in the same car and I had already paid Tatiana her taxi back home). Humm…. 8-/

2nd day
Did not phone Tatiana’s translator all day as I was kind of uncertain what was going on as I could easily see 400 USD flying away on a daily basis.
They phoned me later on in the afternoon asking if we should meet up. I had by then been around in the neighbourhood so I had found a reasonable café across of my flat where I agreed to meet them.
I was phoned about ½ an hour’s time later to tell me they were now in the café. I went over to the café and saw the same driver dude parked outside the café and the two ladies having coffee and cake. Was invited to sit down having a tea, ordered one and managed to have two sips of it before being told we were off. This time paying about Hry. 100 for coffee, tea and 2 cakes for the ladies. Well, they told we would be off for a stroll down Deribasovskaya street (the main street of Odessa) but finally ended up in an Ukranian restaurant spending hry. 900. As Tatiana was getting a cold and sore throat the driver dude again appeared out of the blue to take us to a pharmacy at 22:00 in the night. We were then taken to a pharmacy that was about half the way to Arcadia beach (that is about 30-40 min drive from Odessa city centre) to a 24/7 night open pharmacy to buy medicine for Tatiana. Again Mr. Lindhardt was to pay hry. 260 and I we then returned back to my flat I was again to pay Tatiana for her transportation as well as hry 140 for the driver having taken us to the pharmacy and the translator back to her home.

3ed day
Figured I probably better check out the market with the agencies in Odessa. Did not have much joy as most of the ladies were not available so I went to Nikolayev to see Ina (48844) with who I had set up a meeting via her agency. Nic meeting and I was interested in her and we agreed that she should SMS me her address but she never gave me her address so I could send her a gift and some special medical cream for her face as we agreed to. Obviously never got any further with that relationship. Anyhow, I went back to Odessa where my friend Elvira from Odessa was just returning back from a 5 month trip abroad. Spent the remaining night with her family and Elvira phone Inna on my behalf to thank her for having taken the time to meet me and reiterated that she had promised to send me her address. Elvira then phoned Tatiana and had a log chat with her as Tatiana was unhappy that I had not contacted her translator for a meeting that day. Also she was complaining that I had not brought any gifts for her and so on. Elvira told her that she knew me for 4 years and could tell her that I was absolutely a man of my words and probably the most honest person she could find any where. She then arranged for us to phone the day after to arrange for us to meet before I was to return back to United Kingdom.

4th day
I went to Elvira’s house in the morning with my entire luggage as I was going to Kiev by train late afternoon to catch my flight back home. Elvira phoned and arranged the meeting but was told it had to be within 1 hour as Tatiana’s translator was going on holiday to Turkey and had to catch a flight. So Elvira chose the place and time of the rendezvous but as I wanted to buy a flower bouquet for Tatiana we ran slightly late by 5-7 minutes. When we arrived to the café Tatiana and her Translator had arrived shortly before us. To my surprise they had already ordered tea, soft drinks and sushi!!?? In my opinion (and apparently also in Elvira’s - which she told me later) this was really an appalling behaviour. Then Elvira arranged everything with regards to language course and explaining about living abroad and we discussed plans for a trip to Denmark and United Kingdom.
So, after an hour or so I was told that’s it. Tatiana had to leave as well as her Translator. Supposedly, Tatiana for an exam and the translator to catch her flight. So they left, but not without reminding me to pay for translator (who did not work), Tatiana for taxi to Odessa and back to her home (hry 500) the usual driver dude hry 50 (not sure for what) and a pile of sushi on the table. What I don’t understand is why all this taxi money as Tatiana is working every day in Odessa and at those hours we were meeting was already in Odessa. Also why hry 250 for her taxi home when she was going to an exam in Odessa? Why the taxi money all the time – I am asking myself? I can only think that she is using this method supplementing her income working at a lawyer’s office making about USD200 and obviously spending MUCH more than she is earning when looking at her cloth and jewellery.

I will continue the story because it continues on when I arrived home to United Kingdom.
Well, while I was in Odessa Tatiana was told that I had long ago arranged to go to the Dominican Republic with my mother. 7 days after I had returned back from Ukraine I would be off to the Dominican Republic. Because of that I was desperately trying to resolve things like language courses, trips to Denmark/United Kingdom, Tatiana’s passport and visas issues (all the paper work I have to produce). As Tatiana does not speak English I had my Ex girl friend from Kherson (who now lives in Texas, USA) to do the translations. My ex spoke many times and extensively with Tatiana about life abroad, preparations for living abroad, you know all such things.
Everything was agreed to during the week before I was to travel so all was fine and dandy.
When I came back to The United Kingdom from my trip to The Dominican Republic I obviously phoned Tatiana having my ex girlfriend on the phone to translate. It took some attempts to get hold of Tatiana (by the way I was given a special mobile number which you guys do not have) and when we finally got through Tatiana told my ex that she had met someone else while I was away and that I should not phone anymore.

Bets regards,
Michael
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Message 34/41 Jan 23, 2010 11:13 a.m. Olga, manager
Hello Michael!
We will check this situation. As soon as we receive any information we will inform you.
Best wishes,
Olga
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Message 35/41 Jan 27, 2010 02:27 a.m. Michael
Hi there,

Just remembered that one of the days I managed to convince the two ladies that we should cook home and go out doing the groceries for the dinner. It was one dinner for three persons which was just prawns in garlic, salat, cheese and cake. Tatiana did the shopping with me and just keept putting things in the cart. As I have told previously I have good manners so I did not say anything but the sum spent was hry 950 on f.ex expensive wine, loads of fruits and salmon.
It just looked like she enjoyed spening money which was not her own. Like she wanted to see how far she could go before I would tell her "stop"

Also if you are trying to get hold of her you might have more luck on this number: 8067517XXXX

Can I also say I am not writing all this because she dropped me. I am actually sure if she ever would come over it would never have worked and she would only go for the fun and joy of it.

If you want the telephone conversations with her, me and my ex girlfriend and other translators do not hesitate to let me know.

Many thanks,
Michael
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Message 36/41 Jan 27, 2010 10:50 a.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Thank you for more information. We keep checking situation and as soon as we have any results we will let you know.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 37/41 Feb 08, 2010 12:22 a.m. Svetlana, manager
Hello Michael,
Lady's 37464 profile was deactivated.
Thank you for information.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 38/41 Feb 08, 2010 11:30 p.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

Many thanks for letting me know. Just out of curiosity has she been removed because of my report or because she is genuinely starting a relationship with another guy she has met on this website or what is the real deal?

Best regards,
Michael
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Message 39/41 Feb 09, 2010 10:56 a.m. Olga, manager
Michael,her profile was removed because of your report and because of her relationship with another guy.
Best wishes,
Olga
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Message 40/41 Feb 09, 2010 12:28 a.m. Michael
Hello,

Many thanks for the update. Much appreciated.

Michael
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Message 41/41 Feb 09, 2010 01:17 p.m. Olga, manager
If you have any questions, please write and we will help you.
Best wishes,
Olga
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 03:13:50 PM
Yeah, but if some of the people with the 'claimed' side effects had only experienced them after stealing the product.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' had also had the same 'side effects' with other different drugs.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' displayed the same symptoms of thse claimed side effects in normal life.

In those cases it'd make sense for even a very casually handled forum to want to try to sort out the people who were simply the mentally ill, disaffected, liars and dishonest crowd seekers from those who might, just possibly, have had some kind of extra side effect.

Coz that's what we have here and it is what Brass was trying, I think, to address.

I'd be really interested to see credible people with real stories to tell. The odd thing is that the most credible folks seem to be those who say stuff like 'I hear they (whoever 'they' may be in this context) are a bit hinky and I came across some strange profiles but I ignored those and met up with XYZ person in Kiev last month and we are getting on just great.'

The moaners and whiners are folks who, on the whole, never come to terms with the reality that the very process of MOB stuff is riddled with dishonesty and take actions to minimise the effects and go on to find that which they seek.

Andrew,
You are a comercial member living of promoting a competitor to AW. Sorry I can take you seriously.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2012, 03:44:20 PM
Eldanes:

I've read your communication record and the comments I'm making are not meant to ridicule, but to educate.

Your experience documented upthread is virtually the "textbook" Pro-Dater scam that is being practiced all over Ukraine on unsuspecting western men.  You have documented very well how the "plot develops" in this situation and as such, your post does have educational and informative value to others. 

I do have say, in hindsight that you ignored virtually every red flag and warning sign that came across your path toward the conclusion of this disaster.  A man who is true to himself will examine a bad experience, accept his share of the blame for the bad outcome and do what he can to recognize and eliminate repeating the mistakes he made in the process.  It's really wasting energy to flail your arms and shriek about how horrible the people who scammed you are.

I think it is safe to say that most men who have spent time educating themselves about the process of finding a bride in the FSU wouldn't have wasted their time repeatedly trying to make contact and follow through with a meeting with such a lady.  She would have been "dismissed" early on the the initial contact phase of the courtship.  You really must have fallen for the picture of those boobs.   :nod:

I've always considered it a fact that western men who claim they were scammed by women in Ukraine bear a large responsibility for "scamming themselves".  I think this is unquestionably true in your case.   :THUB:  I think your post is not so much of a condemnation of Anastasiaweb as it is a caution to men of the dating reality which is prevalent in an economically depressed country like Ukraine. 

I'm hopeful that you emerged from this disaster a bit bruised, but a great deal wiser for the experience.  After all, the bruises will heal, but isn't learning from experience what life's all about?           
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Yeah, but if some of the people with the 'claimed' side effects had only experienced them after stealing the product.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' had also had the same 'side effects' with other different drugs.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' displayed the same symptoms of thse claimed side effects in normal life.

In those cases it'd make sense for even a very casually handled forum to want to try to sort out the people who were simply the mentally ill, disaffected, liars and dishonest crowd seekers from those who might, just possibly, have had some kind of extra side effect.

Coz that's what we have here and it is what Brass was trying, I think, to address.

I'd be really interested to see credible people with real stories to tell. The odd thing is that the most credible folks seem to be those who say stuff like 'I hear they (whoever 'they' may be in this context) are a bit hinky and I came across some strange profiles but I ignored those and met up with XYZ person in Kiev last month and we are getting on just great.'

The moaners and whiners are folks who, on the whole, never come to terms with the reality that the very process of MOB stuff is riddled with dishonesty and take actions to minimise the effects and go on to find that which they seek.

Andrew,
You are a comercial member living of promoting a competitor to AW. Sorry I can take you seriously.

1) No I am not. I am labelled as a commercial member because some folks were unhappy that I wrote an independent reprot about the mail order bride industry.

2) If you are unable to read and analyse objectively that which you read then your problems go MUCH MUCH further than how you conduct your relationships with any particular company that is helping you to meet and marry a woman.

Your post illustrates where you might be running into problems. You are not thinking, you are jumping to conclusions and you are, as you told us, unable to read and analyse what you read in an objective fashion. In such circumstances you find yourself in the unhappy position of believing all that you read and not being able to sort out fact from advertising copy which should be fact based but sometimes is not.
Aweb may well not be perfect, indeed I am sure of it, but you are contributing to your own problems here.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 04:01:49 PM
Eldanes:


I've read your communication record and the comments I'm making are not meant to ridicule, but to educate.

Your experience documented upthread is virtually the "textbook" Pro-Dater scam that is being practiced all over Ukraine on unsuspecting western men.  You have documented very well how the "plot develops" in this situation and as such, your post does have educational and informative value to others. 

I do have say, in hindsight that you ignored virtually every red flag and warning sign that came across your path toward the conclusion of this disaster.  A man who is true to himself will examine a bad experience, accept his share of the blame for the bad outcome and do what he can to recognize and eliminate repeating the mistakes he made in the process.  It's really wasting energy to flail your arms and shriek about how horrible the people who scammed you are.

I think it is safe to say that most men who have spent time educating themselves about the process of finding a bride in the FSU wouldn't have wasted their time repeatedly trying to make contact and follow through with a meeting with such a lady.  She would have been "dismissed" early on the the initial contact phase of the courtship.  You really must have fallen for the picture of those boobs.   

I've always considered it a fact that western men who claim they were scammed by women in Ukraine bear a large responsibility for "scamming themselves".  I think this is unquestionably true in your case.     I think your post is not so much of a condemnation of Anastasiaweb as it is a caution to men of the dating reality which is prevalent in an economically depressed country like Ukraine. 

I'm hopeful that you emerged from this disaster a bit bruised, but a great deal wiser for the experience.  After all, the bruises will heal, but isn't learning from experience what life's all about? 


Mate, thanks for the kind words. No offence taken at all. If I had been bruised from this encounter I would have returned back to the customer services MUCH faster. She was written off almost before I went to Odessa. I had nothing to loose as I have friends in Odessa and Kherson so I too the chance and was just well prepared from previous trips. See I am no stinggy person and take what ever life has to offer. So if a lady feels happy having "stolen" 500 USD from me by all means bear with her. I look at it as if finding out the lady is a cheat and has bad moral judgement for USD 500 is cheaper than spending mony on passport, language courses, ticket, visas etc.... well, I am sure you know what I mean.

You are right about this is not just about AW. It is a generic problem in Ukraine not just relating to AW but to the entire MOB business.

Whenever I have been dealing with FSU birds all my enviroment knows. I become edgy, irritated, annoyed with all and everything and I think this is because of these mind games the agencies and ladies play on the men.
I have not been dealing with FSU women for quite some time and even a member here on the site told me he noticed a change of mood from when I gave up on FSU birds and went back tu South American birds.

I am aware of a gent who has spent considerable time in Colombia and I can agree to some extend to his statements but fra from all and mind you I have been travelling in Colombia since 1995. My first trip to Colombia took place 2 months after my frist trip to Ukraine and 1 weeks after a Ukainian bird had visited me in Denmark for 2 weeks and I had had my sample of Ukraine mentality.
So why go back? You know what? I have no fing clue but it almost as crack cocaine. You get off it but have to try it again to see if it really was so bad as you remembered.

Now, I have been on the waggon for suficient time to to declare myself "clean"
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 04:03:15 PM
Yeah, but if some of the people with the 'claimed' side effects had only experienced them after stealing the product.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' had also had the same 'side effects' with other different drugs.
If some of the people claiming the 'side effects' displayed the same symptoms of thse claimed side effects in normal life.

In those cases it'd make sense for even a very casually handled forum to want to try to sort out the people who were simply the mentally ill, disaffected, liars and dishonest crowd seekers from those who might, just possibly, have had some kind of extra side effect.

Coz that's what we have here and it is what Brass was trying, I think, to address.

I'd be really interested to see credible people with real stories to tell. The odd thing is that the most credible folks seem to be those who say stuff like 'I hear they (whoever 'they' may be in this context) are a bit hinky and I came across some strange profiles but I ignored those and met up with XYZ person in Kiev last month and we are getting on just great.'

The moaners and whiners are folks who, on the whole, never come to terms with the reality that the very process of MOB stuff is riddled with dishonesty and take actions to minimise the effects and go on to find that which they seek.

Andrew,
You are a comercial member living of promoting a competitor to AW. Sorry I can take you seriously.

1) No I am not. I am labelled as a commercial member because some folks were unhappy that I wrote an independent reprot about the mail order bride industry.

2) If you are unable to read and analyse objectively that which you read then your problems go MUCH MUCH further than how you conduct your relationships with any particular company that is helping you to meet and marry a woman.

Your post illustrates where you might be running into problems. You are not thinking, you are jumping to conclusions and you are, as you told us, unable to read and analyse what you read in an objective fashion. In such circumstances you find yourself in the unhappy position of believing all that you read and not being able to sort out fact from advertising copy which should be fact based but sometimes is not.
Aweb may well not be perfect, indeed I am sure of it, but you are contributing to your own problems here.
'
Andrew,

What is http://www.planetlovematch.com to you?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: mendeleyev on August 14, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
Eldames:
Quote
My first trip to Colombia took place 2 months after my frist trip to Ukraine and 1 weeks after a Ukainian bird had visited me in Denmark for 2 weeks and I had had my sample of Ukraine mentality.
(emphasis added)

Jumpin' Jehosaphat, you've been at the wrong sites!

Here is what you seem to need:

http://www.birdlist.org/ukraine.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_of_Ukraine

http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/checklist.jsp?region=UA

Guys, we've isolated the problem here. I think that  for all the long discussion about ladies and women we've overlooked what this gentleman has been trying to say. He is after birds, not boobs. Perhaps the agencies should have been more clear in promoting their products. (duh)

Personally I'd think the birds in Columbia to be more exotic anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on August 14, 2012, 04:56:16 PM
Nothing about the promoting of the report or the advertising of the match service has been independent.  Your business partnership is completely obvious......lying and denying only keeps bringing more attention to the arrangement.

Both of you need "us" to keep this website popping up on the search engines.  Why bother with the hide and seek?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on August 14, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
Eldanes, you have been at this stuff long enough to know to avoid Odessa surely?

Observe: Has anyone here actually married a woman from Odessa or Kiev? (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=11208.msg160861#msg160861)

Foreign men are an industry in these places.

Most men don't find success there.

Why not look to Russia and meet normal women?

What is with this Ukraine fixation?

Why members of RUA still flock like lost sheep to Odessa and Kiev is beyond me........ guys are not marrying women from there now. That was ten years ago. Read what people write here. Hello? Everyone is mostly in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan now.

Stuff changes.

In my view, Ukraine is done (apart from far flung villages). The action now is elsewhere.

Probably a good topic starter. I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it....
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
Eldames:
Quote
My first trip to Colombia took place 2 months after my frist trip to Ukraine and 1 weeks after a Ukainian bird had visited me in Denmark for 2 weeks and I had had my sample of Ukraine mentality.
(emphasis added)

Jumpin' Jehosaphat, you've been at the wrong sites!

Here is what you seem to need:

http://www.birdlist.org/ukraine.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_of_Ukraine

http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/checklist.jsp?region=UA

Guys, we've isolated the problem here. I think that  for all the long discussion about ladies and women we've overlooked what this gentleman has been trying to say. He is after birds, not boobs. Perhaps the agencies should have been more clear in promoting their products. (duh)

Personally I'd think the birds in Columbia to be more exotic anyway.  :)

Mendeleyev,

You cracked my ar$e bust  :ROFL:
Guess too much time in the UK... Picking up on the terminologies here.
As in Ukraine there has been huge developments in standard of living and things in Colombia is no where the same as 10 years back. But that is totally  :offtopic:

Never the less, thanks for making my night.

Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 05:25:22 PM
Eldanes, you have been at this stuff long enough to know to avoid Odessa surely?

Observe: Has anyone here actually married a woman from Odessa or Kiev? (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=11208.msg160861#msg160861)

Foreign men are an industry in these places.

Most men don't find success there.

Why not look to Russia and meet normal women?

What is with this Ukraine fixation?

Why members of RUA still flock like lost sheep to Odessa and Kiev is beyond me........ guys are not marrying women from there. That was ten years ago. Hello? Everyone is mostly in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan now.

Stuff changes.

In my view, Ukraine is done. The action now is elsewhere.

Probably a good topic starter. I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it....

Manny,

Hi and thanks for the comment. Long time no hear or see. Well, I go where the "birds" with the biggest boobs are. No matter if Odessa, Poltava, Kherson, Nikolayev. Do I get burned? Hell yeah, but could I care? If I get screewed over I just run back to the few friends I have in Ukaine and lick my wounds.

I have actually been to Russia. I went to Skt P back in '97 or so. Pain in the arse with all that visa shite.
I was on a cultural group tour. Arrived in Skt. P. The target turned up in the airport, went with me and the rest of the group to the hotel where she sneaked in together with all of the group. Shagged me, took her perfume I had brought as a gift and fuked off. Never saw her again and she never answered her telephone when ever I phoned her.
So much for my Russian experience.

Eldanés   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on August 14, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
Pain in the arse with all that visa shite.

You are now an official American.  :chuckle:

What is a Russian visa? A few days in the mail and £100 or so? Is that so hard?

Get a grip man. 'Big boobs' aside, foreign blokes as an industry and rip off's are what we here are seeing from most of Ukraine recently.

Thinking people already moved on.

Sex tourists and stragglers are what we are seeing in Ukraine now. Like the drunks who wander into the bar at 11pm. End of the bubble mate.......

Quote from: Eldanes
Manny,...... Long time no hear or see.

Same here. Nice to see you back.  tiphat
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
Nothing about the promoting of the report or the advertising of the match service has been independent.  Your business partnership is completely obvious......lying and denying only keeps bringing more attention to the arrangement.

Both of you need "us" to keep this website popping up on the search engines.  Why bother with the hide and seek?

I am not going to back through this crap with you. If you can't be bothered to read then I can't be bothered to pander to your sloth. However I will not accept you impugning me when you can find the matters covered before, suffice it to say that you are wrong and that if you repeat incorrect assertions then it is you who will be spreading untruths.

Apart from anything else you have not even cottoned on to the fact that there is no 'both' of us. I do not advertise on this website, never have done.

There's some stuff you need to catch up on before you go round making accusations that make you look like a bt of a twat.

Of course if you suffer the same issues as Eldanes above then you also need to do some work on the critical reading, it will be a big help to you when you are, at some time in the future, in a position to do that which you fantasise about at the moment.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on August 14, 2012, 06:28:20 PM
Eldanes, you have been at this stuff long enough to know to avoid Odessa surely?

Observe: Has anyone here actually married a woman from Odessa or Kiev? (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=11208.msg160861#msg160861)

Foreign men are an industry in these places.

Most men don't find success there.

Why not look to Russia and meet normal women?

What is with this Ukraine fixation?

Why members of RUA still flock like lost sheep to Odessa and Kiev is beyond me........ guys are not marrying women from there now. That was ten years ago. Read what people write here. Hello? Everyone is mostly in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan now.

Stuff changes.

In my view, Ukraine is done (apart from far flung villages). The action now is elsewhere.

Probably a good topic starter. I'll do it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it....

I would not go as far as Manny in writing off Ukraine but I would definitely not look in Odessa, Kiev and maybe even Kharkov because of saturation (Though I love Odessa dearly). That said, and I've said this in other posts, if I was starting today with what I know I would look in Russia from Samara eastward and the 'Stans...

As far as Anastasia goes I had a brief experience with them. Very brief because as a human being with an IQ higher than a geranium I could tell it was a classic money sucking operation.  I can't believe it is still being discussed.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 14, 2012, 06:29:38 PM
Nothing about the promoting of the report or the advertising of the match service has been independent.  Your business partnership is completely obvious......lying and denying only keeps bringing more attention to the arrangement.

Both of you need "us" to keep this website popping up on the search engines.  Why bother with the hide and seek?

I am not going to back through this crap with you. If you can't be bothered to read then I can't be bothered to pander to your sloth. However I will not accept you impugning me when you can find the matters covered before, suffice it to say that you are wrong and that if you repeat incorrect assertions then it is you who will be spreading untruths.

Apart from anything else you have not even cottoned on to the fact that there is no 'both' of us. I do not advertise on this website, never have done.

There's some stuff you need to catch up on before you go round making accusations that make you look like a bt of a twat.

Of course if you suffer the same issues as Eldanes above then you also need to do some work on the critical reading, it will be a big help to you when you are, at some time in the future, in a position to do that which you fantasise about at the moment.

Andrew, patronising does not suit you very well. You should be the last person to ridicule others. I still have fresh in memory you on your promotional video clip.
If you want to promote your business you should be more courteous to prospective customers even those you have not yet met. They may be reading this thread as we speak and will probably choose to put their custom somewhere else thinking; “if he treat these people like that here how does he treat them when they are customers..”
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: B.B. on August 14, 2012, 08:45:13 PM
Foreign men are an industry in these places.

Most men don't find success there.

Why not look to Russia and meet normal women?

What is with this Ukraine fixation?

You realize that if you replaced "Russia" with "America" and "Ukraine" with "Russia" in the previous, you'd be an official American woman.  :chuckle:

In my view, Ukraine is done (apart from far flung villages). The action now is elsewhere.

I recall the back-and-forths on the old RWL as to whether Tver was "fished out" or not. 

Anyway, I think you are correct about the direction, if not the degree as well. 

B/B
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: GOB on August 14, 2012, 09:04:58 PM
Pain in the arse with all that visa shite.
What is a Russian visa? A few days in the mail and £100 or so? Is that so hard?

Manny, you probably forgot the part about filling out all that pesky paperwork? or finding someone to "invite " you?  (:)

If you are right about this Manny, (and you probably are) the sad fact is that the FSU pimps will have to pack up in Ukraine and move their traveling MOB/Romance Tour pimp show to Russia.  >:(

GOB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on August 15, 2012, 12:06:04 AM

What is with this Ukraine fixation?


In this particular case it seems to be variation of Münchausen syndrome in MOB.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 01:22:19 AM

What is with this Ukraine fixation?


In this particular case it seems to be variation of Münchausen syndrome in MOB.

I suppose you refer to the Münchausen syndrome in regards to this German nobleman, who purportedly told many fantastic and impossible stories about himself (i.e this time not about Münchausen but the MOB) and not the psychiatric factitious disorder.  ;D

If this is true then as previously indicated the statement made with regards to Colombia in a previous posting, "Colombia is hyped up as having amazingly stunning and beautiful women." is also true about FSU.

Which mean our primary goal should actually be to crush the hype about FSU in order to make an impact on the ever growing misconception about beauty and these marvellous creatures they promote in FSU.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on August 15, 2012, 01:44:16 AM
Pain in the arse with all that visa shite.
What is a Russian visa? A few days in the mail and £100 or so? Is that so hard?

Manny, you probably forgot the part about filling out all that pesky paperwork? or finding someone to "invite " you?  (:)


One form and the agency do the rest in with their fee. Falling off a log couldn't be easier. However, penny-watching MOBsters tried to do it all themselves and spend ages collecting stuff, filling forms, and writing people to save a $50 agency fee. I think that's where the rumour came from that a visa to Russia was in some way hard. Give an agency an extra $50, fill in one form, yawn, and watch it drop through your mailbox a few days later.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on August 15, 2012, 02:02:27 AM
I suppose you refer to the Münchausen syndrome in regards to this German nobleman, who purportedly told many fantastic and impossible stories about himself (i.e this time not about Münchausen but the MOB) and not the psychiatric factitious disorder.  ;D


No, I was referring to factitious disorder  ;D

Quote
Münchausen syndrome is a type of factitious disorder, in which a person repeatedly acts as if he has a physical or mental disorder when, in truth, he has caused the symptoms. People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as scammed or taken adantage by FSU women, not to achieve a concrete benefit, such as marriage or engagement with FSU woman. They are even willing to undergo painful and timewasting membership with Anastasia.com in order to get the sympathy and special attention from people who are truly seeking real realationshp with FSUW. Some will secretively scam themselves to cause signs of financial loss or emotional abuse.



Which mean our primary goal should actually be to crush the hype about FSU in order to make an impact on the ever growing misconception about beauty and these marvellous creatures they promote in FSU.

Yeah, sure. Just give me time to convience myself that my marvellousness is only hype and misconception  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 15, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Eldanes, no need to 'crush' anything.

All that anyone needs to do is to learn to apply critical judgement to that which the read or hear. It really is that easy. What you seem to have been doing is to take everything you read as being literally true - not just from agencies but from the 'women' with whom you have dealt.

Now, I am a big one for truth in advertising and I absolutely reject the idea held by many that telling lies is a part of selling and thus marketing but I understand that words are used to create images and that many statements madse as part of a marketing process are not literally true and should not be expected to be so.

Here's an example or two of what I mean.
For fun I took these examples from ads in an old visitors guide to Tampa Bay, Florida. ;)

Claim 1) 'No one can beat us for fresh seafood dinners'
I've been there, good food but the best anywhere? Not a chance and nobody should expect it to be true.

Claim 2) 'Wherever we go in Tampa Bay people are asking to buy these shirts right off our backs'
It's a t-shirt, when was the last time anyone asked to buy any item of clothing you were wearing?

Claim 3) 'Fashion for all occasion'
This was a little strip mall boutique, no chance this was true unless all you ever wear is semi-formal clothing and consider such appropriate at all times.

Chances are that you can see these examples are normal usage in advertising materials, even you Eldanes would not expect these statements to be literally true. So, why would you turn off your critical thinking when looking for a life partner - a much more significant choice than where to dine tonight or which clothing to buy?

Bottom line here is this:
Whilst I absolutely do not condone dishonest business practices it is the buyer's choices that lead to the unhappy outcomes. All that you or anyone else has to do to avoid problems is to think about what you are doing.

If you want to stop bad stuff happening to other people then you need to document what goes on and relate it to specific claims made by the vendor/service provider; If you do not take this step then there is no form of recourse open to you from any source other than those which enable hearsay and rumour and treat those two imposters as fact.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 03:47:38 AM
Bottom line here is this:
Whilst I absolutely do not condone dishonest business practices it is the buyer's choices that lead to the unhappy outcomes. All that you or anyone else has to do to avoid problems is to think about what you are doing.

Andrew,

I took your advice. As a buyer I made a bad choice in the first place and changed brand.
I am now dealing directly with the whole seller and not the distributors albeit I get a more direct approach to the produce, and more fresh produce, and I can check the produce before I buy it. I can first hand get all the information directly from the source. I.e the lady as I get her contact details incl telephone number. I can instantly detect if she is one of the rotten apples that I should discard of.
Any mistake is entirely down to my bad judgement and can't be blamed on distributors as they do not exist.
True there are distributors on my marked and quite interestingly they belong to the same organisation we are discussing in this thread.
I will leave it to your imagination, but do you think I would ever use their services?
As ChelseaBoy, I did for the hell of it make a profile to get a sniff of what it was. With my 10 credits I had as sure as amen in the church seen that the concept was the same.
I have even later met one of the potential candidates from AmoLatina on another web site where you buy all personal details and spoken to the lady. She confirmed she had been hired to do the chat work. She even told the owner was her ex-boyfriend's brother.
As a curiosum I can add the ex-boyfriend took off to abroad when he impregnated her and she is now looking for a foreigner to take over his responsibilities. Does this sound familiar to the image we see in FSU?
I tend to believe so.

Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 04:19:25 AM
Münchausen syndrome is a type of factitious disorder, in which a person repeatedly acts as if he has a physical or mental disorder when, in truth, he has caused the symptoms. People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as scammed or taken adantage by FSU women, not to achieve a concrete benefit, such as marriage or engagement with FSU woman. They are even willing to undergo painful and timewasting membership with Anastasia.com in order to get the sympathy and special attention from people who are truly seeking real realationshp with FSUW. Some will secretively scam themselves to cause signs of financial loss or emotional abuse.

So, if this is your analysis of men (or perhaps this is your anlysis of me) then I suppose you also have step by step instructions of how to understand these mavelous, but complicated, machines and perhaps even access to the wholeseller.

I am sure you could make a few quid if you could introduce us guys to some seriously attractive ladies who were not in it for the adventure but for a serious relationship until dead do us apart and not until the coffer is empty.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on August 15, 2012, 04:58:21 AM
So, if this is your analysis of men (or perhaps this is your anlysis of me) then I suppose you also have step by step instructions of how to understand these mavelous, but complicated, machines and perhaps even access to the wholeseller.

Just you  :biggrin:  and solely based on what you posted in this thread in last few days.

There is no instructions but basic common sense should intervene with wasting time on Anastasia.

I am sure you could make a few quid if you could introduce us guys to some seriously attractive ladies who were not in it for the adventure but for a serious relationship until dead do us apart and not until the coffer is empty.

If after 20+ trips you failed to meet simple minded, uncomplicated and honest girls in FSU then problem is within yourself and unlikely anyone can help you with meeting right girl.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: NS1 on August 15, 2012, 04:59:39 AM
Münchausen syndrome is a type of factitious disorder, in which a person repeatedly acts as if he has a physical or mental disorder when, in truth, he has caused the symptoms. People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as scammed or taken adantage by FSU women, not to achieve a concrete benefit, such as marriage or engagement with FSU woman. They are even willing to undergo painful and timewasting membership with Anastasia.com in order to get the sympathy and special attention from people who are truly seeking real realationshp with FSUW. Some will secretively scam themselves to cause signs of financial loss or emotional abuse.

So, if this is your analysis of men (or perhaps this is your anlysis of me) then I suppose you also have step by step instructions of how to understand these mavelous, but complicated, machines and perhaps even access to the wholeseller.

I am sure you could make a few quid if you could introduce us guys to some seriously attractive ladies who were not in it for the adventure but for a serious relationship until dead do us apart and not until the coffer is empty.

Finding a serious women is not that difficult! Read your own posts, you basically travelled as a sex tourist and are now pissed you could not find a women :duh: It takes work real work. Sometimes even with serious women, its not the right fit. Did you get scammed, maybe so. Life is full of them, most people learn adjust and move on.
It is only as hard as you make it. Feeling sorry for yourself and making excuses for your failures will get you right where you are. No where!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 05:07:49 AM
Andrew, I am still a "new guy" here and I figured it all out easily a long time ago.

YOU are PLM and everybody already knows it! 

Yeesh!


P.S.  Should I post the links to the proof within this website again?

CzechMate,

If you use Firefox you can install an add on calls Adblock Plus that will block any banner and comercial on any web page.

Just see this screen dump from my browser on ruadventures http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98050088/No%20banners.jpg

After that you will never be bothered with banner from Planetlovematch and all the other banners on RUA.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 05:10:47 AM
So, if this is your analysis of men (or perhaps this is your anlysis of me) then I suppose you also have step by step instructions of how to understand these mavelous, but complicated, machines and perhaps even access to the wholeseller.

Just you  :biggrin:  and solely based on what you posted in this thread in last few days.

There is no instructions but basic common sense should intervene with wasting time on Anastasia.

I am sure you could make a few quid if you could introduce us guys to some seriously attractive ladies who were not in it for the adventure but for a serious relationship until dead do us apart and not until the coffer is empty.

If after 20+ trips you failed to meet simple minded, uncomplicated and honest girls in FSU then problem is within yourself and unlikely anyone can help you with meeting right girl.

A bit rich coming from a FSU girl. But as always FSU girls know better than Westernes.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 05:19:36 AM
Münchausen syndrome is a type of factitious disorder, in which a person repeatedly acts as if he has a physical or mental disorder when, in truth, he has caused the symptoms. People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as scammed or taken adantage by FSU women, not to achieve a concrete benefit, such as marriage or engagement with FSU woman. They are even willing to undergo painful and timewasting membership with Anastasia.com in order to get the sympathy and special attention from people who are truly seeking real realationshp with FSUW. Some will secretively scam themselves to cause signs of financial loss or emotional abuse.

So, if this is your analysis of men (or perhaps this is your anlysis of me) then I suppose you also have step by step instructions of how to understand these mavelous, but complicated, machines and perhaps even access to the wholeseller.

I am sure you could make a few quid if you could introduce us guys to some seriously attractive ladies who were not in it for the adventure but for a serious relationship until dead do us apart and not until the coffer is empty.

Finding a serious women is not that difficult! Read your own posts, you basically travelled as a sex tourist and are now pissed you could not find a women :duh: It takes work real work. Sometimes even with serious women, its not the right fit. Did you get scammed, maybe so. Life is full of them, most people learn adjust and move on.
It is only as hard as you make it. Feeling sorry for yourself and making excuses for your failures will get you right where you are. No where!
I am terrified. I have been caught out. I thought I hid the fact well enough and hoped that nobody would spot that I am a sex-tourist and human trafficker.

I am one of those older guys (51) who goes to Ukrainefor sex. I am a monger. Your descriptions are pretty accurate. However, us older guys have a different mindset about women. Most of us are not looking for wives, we just want to bang young hot FSU birds. No matter how old guys get, we all always want young and hot. You younger guys will experience this some day. 30 year olds and older and just not enough to get excited about. Also, the prostis that we go out with in Ukraine are super fun and its very easy to party with. No gaming or games at all, just super fun. They do exactly what you say and are always ready to party because that is how they make their money. I actually love the prostis and the whole atmosphere. Its a blast. Plus, when its all over they go home and you get a new one(s), the next day. And, its cheap!

I know all of this is not appealing to younger guys and it shouldn’t be. Younger guys should be out hunting for girls because its what they are designed to do. Us older guys have been there, done that and now its just easy fun time.

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on August 15, 2012, 05:31:21 AM
FSU girls know better than Westernes.

Finally some common sense  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: welder on August 15, 2012, 06:16:58 AM
She was written off almost before I went to Odessa. I had nothing to loose as I have friends in Odessa and Kherson so I too the chance and was just well prepared from previous trips. See I am no stinggy person and take what ever life has to offer. So if a lady feels happy having "stolen" 500 USD from me by all means bear with her. I look at it as if finding out the lady is a cheat and has bad moral judgement for USD 500 is cheaper than spending mony on passport, language courses, ticket, visas etc.... well, I am sure you know what I mean.

Elandes I'll spare the PC approach and call BS on the above.  It is blatantly obvious you were deeply infatuated with this woman without even stepping foot on the plane.  You seen those titties in the photos and fell in "lust" before meeting her.  You are not the first and wont be the last. 

As for the second statement in bold above, let's be honest, you would have paid for all had she not sent you the "dear john" letter.  Even after the making the trip and being taken for a ride your friend was still arranging for this girl, whom you claim was written off before you travelled, to acquire visas and language courses.  If she was as evil as you make her out to be she had the opportunity to milk you for much more yet she chose to let you off the hook.

Elandes you honestly come off as an intelligent guy.  I am by no means trying to talk down or belittle you.  As an outsider with no emotional ties to the matter it does read as though you had a whole lot to do with how this whole scenario played out.

There is a difference between being generous, non stingy as you defined it, and not having the courage to just say NO.  After day one it was your choice not to say no.  You chose to partake in the festivities.  I would say the attached image had a lot more to do with you empowering these women to take you for a ride than anything else.

Elandes your posts are very very educational for a the shy nieve readership planning their first trip.  It takes courage to post train wrecks and for sure this qualifies. 

Score at the end of this game:
Clever lady using gifts god gave her(home team) +1
Common sense(visiting team) _0
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 15, 2012, 06:21:31 AM
Eldanes, your issues are about how you think (or do not do so) and so you have the same problems wherever you turn.

Learn to think critically, learn to analyse what you read and to fit what you read into the context of your needs and goals and, of course, your existing knowledge and you will do better.

That is why your railing against one or other service providers is pointless.

And yes, because companies who obtain their stock from different parts of the world are selling to the same kind of men, largely in the US but also in other countries, you will see similar offers, similar words, similar fantasies being sold - I can hardly imagine how you could possibly think otherwise.

Everything 'bad' that happened to you happened because you chose for it to do so.

By the way Eldanes, how do you think that RUA covers its costs and pays people to help you come to terms with your issues?
Advertising.
When you block ads on RUA not only are you making kittens cry but you are also stealing from the site's proprietors - yes stealing because the only price for using this forum is that you see ads on the pages. Those ads provide the revenues that enable your activities.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 06:31:42 AM
She was written off almost before I went to Odessa. I had nothing to loose as I have friends in Odessa and Kherson so I too the chance and was just well prepared from previous trips. See I am no stinggy person and take what ever life has to offer. So if a lady feels happy having "stolen" 500 USD from me by all means bear with her. I look at it as if finding out the lady is a cheat and has bad moral judgement for USD 500 is cheaper than spending mony on passport, language courses, ticket, visas etc.... well, I am sure you know what I mean.

Elandes I'll spare the PC approach and call BS on the above.  It is blatantly obvious you were deeply infatuated with this woman without even stepping foot on the plane.  You seen those titties in the photos and fell in "lust" before meeting her.  You are not the first and wont be the last. 

As for the second statement in bold above, let's be honest, you would have paid for all had she not sent you the "dear john" letter.  Even after the making the trip and being taken for a ride your friend was still arranging for this girl, whom you claim was written off before you travelled, to acquire visas and language courses.  If she was as evil as you make her out to be she had the opportunity to milk you for much more yet she chose to let you off the hook.

Elandes you honestly come off as an intelligent guy.  I am by no means trying to talk down or belittle you.  As an outsider with no emotional ties to the matter it does read as though you had a whole lot to do with how this whole scenario played out.

There is a difference between being generous, non stingy as you defined it, and not having the courage to just say NO.  After day one it was your choice not to say no.  You chose to partake in the festivities.  I would say the attached image had a lot more to do with you empowering these women to take you for a ride than anything else.

Elandes your posts are very very educational for a the shy nieve readership planning their first trip.  It takes courage to post train wrecks and for sure this qualifies. 

Score at the end of this game:
Clever lady using gifts god gave her(home team) +1
Common sense(visiting team) _0

Hi welder,

Thanks for the comments. All taken onboard and no bad feelings. Mind you I did, as the very first part of the AW complaint, post mention I was not looking for advice nor sympathy. I was posting this for educational purpose. It does not apply to any particular agency as the problem is generic on any agency.

Let me put everybodys mind at ease. I am not persuing FSU women anylonger. It is not just because of the incident posted. Actually I have been on and off the FSU MOB since my very first trip to Ukraine.
It might come accross as I have been travelling to Ukraine constantly. That is far from the case.

Anyways, thanks for your input. I will see if I can find more saved examples on my hdds.

Regards,
Eldanes
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 06:41:01 AM
Eldanes, your issues are about how you think (or do not do so) and so you have the same problems wherever you turn.

Learn to think critically, learn to analyse what you read and to fit what you read into the context of your needs and goals and, of course, your existing knowledge and you will do better.

That is why your railing against one or other service providers is pointless.

And yes, because companies who obtain their stock from different parts of the world are selling to the same kind of men, largely in the US but also in other countries, you will see similar offers, similar words, similar fantasies being sold - I can hardly imagine how you could possibly think otherwise.

Everything 'bad' that happened to you happened because you chose for it to do so.

By the way Eldanes, how do you think that RUA covers its costs and pays people to help you come to terms with your issues?
Advertising.
When you block ads on RUA not only are you making kittens cry but you are also stealing from the site's proprietors - yes stealing because the only price for using this forum is that you see ads on the pages. Those ads provide the revenues that enable your activities.

Thanks Andrew. I rest my case. I am as you know not very frequest on this forum but felt it was my obligation to fellow mongers to let them know what ever I know.
I have taken your advice. I have changed brand. I shall not spend more bandwidth or deprive Stuart for any potential income. Only mind you one thing. When forcing someone to download banner, images etc you use MY bandwidth. So if I am on a smartphone and abroad you spend MY money. Admit it's peanuts but it's the principle that matters.

Thanks,
Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: GOB on August 15, 2012, 06:48:36 AM
One form and the agency do the rest in with their fee. Falling off a log couldn't be easier. However, penny-watching MOBsters tried to do it all themselves and spend ages collecting stuff, filling forms, and writing people to save a $50 agency fee. I think that's where the rumour came from that a visa to Russia was in some way hard. Give an agency an extra $50, fill in one form, yawn, and watch it drop through your mailbox a few days later.

I was being facetious Manny.  tiphat

Applying for a Russian Visa is a minuscule task (both financially and time wise) compared to the big picture of dating and bringing an FSUW to the GoodOl' USA.

And I always warn Newbies about the "real work" after she actually gets here. (:)

GOB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on August 15, 2012, 06:53:51 AM
One thing. The last time I saw the terms 'mongers' it was on a sex tourism site where the term is quite common, along with 'hobbyist'. I have never seen 'monger' used on a site devoted, ostensibly at least, to finding a wife.

Are you entirely sure that you are on the right site?

By the way nobody 'forces' you to do anything - is this a part of your the issue that you are facing - a tendency to believe and enable anything in an uncritical manner?

If bandwidth costs are an issue may I suggest an alternative for you: Opera Mobile or Opera Mini. You will be saving something like 96% of bandwidth on internet pages by doing so and you will be getting better download times too. You can now look at all those lovely ads for free. ;)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 07:48:35 AM
One thing. The last time I saw the terms 'mongers' it was on a sex tourism site where the term is quite common, along with 'hobbyist'. I have never seen 'monger' used on a site devoted, ostensibly at least, to finding a wife.

Are you entirely sure that you are on the right site?

Andrew, Andrew, Andrew....... I know of kat mongers, fish mongers, iron monger but I believe it's someone who purchases and maintains an inventory of goods to be sold.

But at this point I can with certainty confirm that you have taught me a new term. Now I just wonder what you were doing on those webs sites where you "found" the acronymm for a sex tourist.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Hammer2722 on August 15, 2012, 09:17:22 AM
I earlier on in this thread mentioned I had a lady removed from AW.

I would like to provide some back ground information so things are pu in their right perspective. I am not looking for simpathy or advice. I am here with this matter for educational purposes.

I have stated several times that am I looking for birds with big boobs. In the western world we are talking about a D cup and up, yet still a pair of nicely planted boobs that are not hanging too far down south. A nice looking bird not too pretty; just a 6-8 will do. A bird who is simple minded, uncomplicated and honest.

I am also the sort of person that even if there are some doggy stuf going on I will give the person the bennefit of the doubt until I can prove differently. This may explain my actions to a certain degree.

I found this bird below on Anastasia (These photos are from our meeting in Odessa and one of them has bopth Tatiana and myself on it to prove I did actually meet the bird).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98050088/Tati.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98050088/Tati%20and%20Michael.jpg
Obviously, interested as at first sight she looked physically as what I was after however as you can see form the following correspondance with the customer service something was not quite right.

Message 1/41 Jun 16, 2009 03:36 p.m. Michael

Hello,

Hope you can resolve this little mystery i have got with 37464 and I hope you can do that in confidence as I do not want to ruin any chances with the lady should the translator be the crook and on the other hand I do not want to spend time and money going to Odessa if this is just yet another girl/agency game making money from men.

1. She gave the following information during our first communication.
65065 Ukraine Odessa
ul. Generala Petrova, X
X Tatiana
8093 90 9XX XX

Now, my interpreter in Ukraine phoned the number and the lady who answered the mobile was very confused when she was asked if she was Tatiana and gave another name only after 10-15 seconds she realised she was Tatiana when my interpreter told who she was.
I suspect the number is not for the lady but for the interpreter and that she did not give the mobile number of the lady when I requested this.
Can you confirm the correct address and mobile number of the lady?

2. In the 2nd answer from Tatiana she mentioned that she had spend the weekend with her parents.
When my interpreter and I phoned the before mentioned telephone number last evening (and I have this conversation recorded if you should which to listen to the conversation) I asked what she had been doing in the weekend. She told she had been to discos with her friends??!! So we got two different occupations durring the weekend.
To me it sounds that either the lady is not serious and honestly interested in finding someone and is just helping a translator friend in the agency "Odessa ladies" because she happens to be attractive or god know what they are up to. Could be another greedy translator wanting to get another translation fee from a quick translation/letter she made up.

Many thanks,

Michael

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Message 2/41 Jun 16, 2009 03:53 p.m. Olga, manager
Hello Michael!
We will check this situation. As soon as we receive any information we will inform you.
Best wishes,
Olga

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Message 3/41 Jun 17, 2009 09:21 a.m. Olga, manager
Hello Michael!
We checked the address and phone number of lady and it's right.

Best wishes,
Olga

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Message 4/41 Aug 14, 2009 11:59 a.m. Michael
Hello,

I know it has been a while with this lady, but I have actually no been able to establish contact with her on the phone number she has given since you confirmed the number to be correct.
In fact for the last two-three weeks the number is no longer in service.
Could you please get the lady to confirm if is is indeed serious and interested before I am going to Odessa and get a telephone number where my translator can arrange our meeting with her?

Many thanks,
Michael

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Message 5/41 Aug 14, 2009 02:24 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Number is correct and lady is interested in our service. If you need we can give you phone number of our local agency, staff from the agency will help you to arrange meeting.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 6/41 Sep 15, 2009 01:59 p.m. Michael
Hello,

I am honestly very very sorry having to bring this lady to your attention again.

I have now more than 10 times since you confirmed the lady was indeed interested in YOUR services phoned this lady from early morning to early evening and have not even once managed to speak to her.
I have purchased my airline ticket, taken my holiday and arranged accomodation for 12 of October 09 yet I am currently not going as it seems most ladies are not very serious.
Can you please see if you at all can establish why this woman is still on these web pages being quite attractive yet has been on your site for about 8 months and still on your site? It would explain why she is there as never answer her own messages or accepts telephone calls my guess would be she is just an agency teaser.

In fact you have previously given me the telephone number for her agency manager whom I phoned about two weeks ago. May I tell you that this manager is VERY rude and has absolutly no interest in anything but making money which she actually confirmed as well as telling me that I was wasting her time and money speaking to her when I did not have any confirmed date when I would be in Odessa as she would need to plan her time for my translations. She would not hear of I bringing my own translator.

Well, as I said sorry for being a pest.

Michael
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Message 7/41 Sep 15, 2009 02:49 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We will clear this situation and will inform you about any results.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 8/41 Sep 17, 2009 01:40 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We contacted our local agencies and they told us that you contacted them but you asked to arrange meeting with ladies rom other agencies. One lady was from their agency but you didn't corresponde with her and she is not interested in you.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.

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Message 9/41 Sep 17, 2009 03:19 p.m. Michael
Hello,

That is absolutly not correct.

As you know my telephone system records all my telephone conversations so I will find the recording for the conversation I had with the lady as well as with the profile manager and send to you.

Again more lies.
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Message 10/41 Sep 17, 2009 03:30 p.m. Michael
Your know what....

The information you refer to sounds more like a conversation I had yesterday with KNK Diamonds. That conversation has absolutly nothing to do with the communication I an persuing with the lady 37464 who are with Odessalady
+38063139XXXX
Svetlana, manager.

I think you are refering to the conversation I had with Kate at KNK Diamonds which, by the way, is also wrong. It appears Kate did not understand a word of what I told her in the end of our conversation. I also will forward you that telephone conversation I had with Kate as I will with the two recordings relating to lady 37464.

Or perhaps Odessa ladies and KNK diamonds are one and the same agency?
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Message 11/41 Sep 17, 2009 04:04 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
No matter what we are clarifying question regarding your meeting with lady 37464 with our local agency.
If you want to meet other ladies write us and we will give you phone number of local agencies they belong to.
Please send us your conversation with Kate at KNK Diamonds.
Odessa ladies and KNK diamonds are not one and the same agency.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 12/41 Sep 17, 2009 04:15 p.m. Michael Lindhardt
Svetlana,

The conversations file is too large for this ticket. I have emailed them to your customer service email address for your attention.
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Message 15/41 Sep 18, 2009 02:03 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,

We listened your conversations. We will contact our local agency regarding this conversations (Svetlana-Odessa ladies).
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Message 17/41 Sep 18, 2009 03:30 p.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

I believe that after you have listen to the conversations relating to Svetlana/Tatiana that you apriciate my concern regarding this situation. At least I belive you understand why I got very upset and why I have continusley been telling you that Tatiana, and perhaps Odessa ladies, is/are not serious in this business.

You see, when I go to Ukraine for say 1 week I spend money on the trip, meetings, food, accomodation which is all fine but I do also spend 7 days of my holiday and loose my salery for 1 week with is MUCh more than what I am spending by going to Ukraine. The ladies and the agencies has absolutly no understanding that in the West our time is MUCH more worth than the money we spend on a trip. For you going to a restaurent with a western man is for him to show he has got money. But that money is much less than the money he is loosing if he was to coock a meal at home for the lady. So when a western man offers to cook at home for a lady it is in fact worth much more than going to a restaurent and shows MUCh more commitment towards a woman than bringing her to a restaurent - which any man can do with very little effort.

That is what pisses off us western men. Yeah, I know that was a little side track but I think it is important for you and your colleagues to know our way of thinking so you do not mistake "greed", as you call it in FSU, with something which in fact is of much more value in our eyes.

Thanks for listening to me :-)

Michael

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Message 18/41 Sep 18, 2009 04:19 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We understand you and will do our best to solve this problem.
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 19/41 Sep 20, 2009 03:14 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Our local agency wrote us that lady 37464 will be able to talk to you today 9-10 p.m (Kiev time).
Please contact her and inform us about your talk. Were you able to talk to her or not. It will be better if you call her with someone who will translate your conversation.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 20/41 Sep 20, 2009 10:45 p.m. Michael
Hello,

You told tatiana would be available between 21:00 and 22:00 on the 20/09/09.

She was however, after aprox. 12 mins of conversation she suddently had an apointment and had to leave. I mean if she had agreed with you to be available for one hour how can she suddently have another angagement in the same laps of time?
Silly excuse in my opinion and another example of that I suspect she is a coy for her agency. Also she did not want to use my translator but only one from the agency which usually is a good sign on co-operation of agency/profile manager and the lady. Hope you agree with me.

I have sent the conversation file as email to your service center email address because it's too big for the ticket for you own judgement.

Michael
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Message 21/41 Sep 21, 2009 03:37 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We will listen your file (conversation) and will decide what to do.
Regards,
Svetlana.
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Message 23/41 Oct 10, 2009 05:35 p.m. Michael
Hello,
Just want to let you know, that ever since last "arranged telephone conversation" it has been impossible to establish contact. The phone is answered but hung up without anything said.

Many thanks,
Michael
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Message 24/41 Oct 12, 2009 01:58 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
What number do you mean? Is it number if the agency?
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 25/41 Oct 12, 2009 11:57 p.m. Michael
Hi Svetlana,

No, it is not the number for Svetlana the manager I was talking about but the number for Tatiana
8093 90 9XX XX.

I spoke to Svetlana (which is apparently not the person who answered the phone as she told me her name was not Svetlana) and she told that she will set up the appointment with Tatiana. My friends in Kherson did phone 8093 90 9XX XX several times to arrange a meeting but they also did not have any luck and finally they phoned the number I have for the profile manager who apparently was very aware of the problmes that apparently everybody has in getting some sort of contact on the before mentioned number.

Now the profile manager has set up a meeting for tomorrow the 13/10/09 11:00 so lets see what that brings.

Thanks for you help on this matter. I know it is mostly not your companys fault all these things most mostly the satelite agencies who " :censored: up".

Many thanks from Kiev... On the way to Odessa..

Michael
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Message 26/41 Oct 13, 2009 02:07 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Ok, Michael.
If you have any problems, please, contact us at one for us to solve problem while you are in lady's city.
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 30/41 Oct 19, 2009 01:35 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
Thank you for photos. We are glad that everything was fine. Will you continue your relations with lady?
Best wishes,
Svetlana, manager.
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Message 31/41 Oct 19, 2009 02:10 p.m. Michael
Hello Svetlana,

Yes, we are working on it. We are currently discussing/arranging to get Tatayana a International passport and she will be taking English lessons starting this week with my friend Elvira (who has been teaching English before) in Odessa.
We are also planning for a trip to Denmark to celebrate Christmas and after Christmas we are planning to go to Great Britain.

I am going to agree with Tatyana this week for us to remove our profiles and will of course in due cause advise you of this.

Best regards and many thanks,

Michael
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Message 32/41 Oct 19, 2009 02:21 p.m. Svetlana, manager
Michael,
We wish you good luck!!! If you have any questions or problems you always can write us, we will be glad to help you.
Svetlana.

Eldanes, I met Tatiana about 3 years ago. She was the very first woman I went to meet in Odessa. This girl was nothing more than a pro-dater!!!! I finally got the clue after 4 days of expensive sushi restaurants and Karaoki bars, and her taxi scam that was pulled on me. I finally pulled the plug when she asked me to buy her shoes for $300.00!!!!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on August 15, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
Eldanes, I met Tatiana about 3 years ago. She was the very first woman I went to meet in Odessa. This girl was nothing more than a pro-dater!!!! I finally got the clue after 4 days of expensive sushi restaurants and Karaoki bars, and her taxi scam that was pulled on me. I finally pulled the plug when she asked me to buy her shoes for $300.00!!!!

Hammer, Congratulations! It took you 4 days and you can be proud of your education. Hopefully at least you went to some museums and walked down or perhaps up depending on your condition the Potemkin steps. AvHdB
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Hammer2722 on August 15, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
Eldanes, I met Tatiana about 3 years ago. She was the very first woman I went to meet in Odessa. This girl was nothing more than a pro-dater!!!! I finally got the clue after 4 days of expensive sushi restaurants and Karaoki bars, and her taxi scam that was pulled on me. I finally pulled the plug when she asked me to buy her shoes for $300.00!!!!

Hammer, Congratulations! It took you 4 days and you can be proud of your education. Hopefully at least you went to some museums and walked down or perhaps up depending on your condition the Potemkin steps. AvHdB

Yeah, ended up playing tourist and actually had a better time of it than if I had continued with her. LOL
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on August 15, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
Eldanes, I met Tatiana about 3 years ago. She was the very first woman I went to meet in Odessa. This girl was nothing more than a pro-dater!!!! I finally got the clue after 4 days of expensive sushi restaurants and Karaoki bars, and her taxi scam that was pulled on me. I finally pulled the plug when she asked me to buy her shoes for $300.00!!!!

Hammer, Congratulations! It took you 4 days and you can be proud of your education. Hopefully at least you went to some museums and walked down or perhaps up depending on your condition the Potemkin steps. AvHdB

Yeah, ended up playing tourist and actually had a better time of it than if I had continued with her. LOL

That's the spirit. Seriously.  :smokin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: welder on August 15, 2012, 11:00:26 AM

Hi welder,

Thanks for the comments. All taken onboard and no bad feelings. Mind you I did, as the very first part of the AW complaint, post mention I was not looking for advice nor sympathy. I was posting this for educational purpose. It does not apply to any particular agency as the problem is generic on any agency.

Elandes that would be where we differ in opinion.  I agree the problem is generic but not with the agency.  IMHO the problem outlined was with a guy ignoring all red flags and falling in love with a picture.  You got caught thinking with the little brain.  Big titties which you appear to have quite the perversion for we're the ultimate downfall.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Hammer2722 on August 15, 2012, 11:20:23 AM

Hi welder,

Thanks for the comments. All taken onboard and no bad feelings. Mind you I did, as the very first part of the AW complaint, post mention I was not looking for advice nor sympathy. I was posting this for educational purpose. It does not apply to any particular agency as the problem is generic on any agency.

Elandes that would be where we differ in opinion.  I agree the problem is generic but not with the agency.  IMHO the problem outlined was with a guy ignoring all red flags and falling in love with a picture.  You got caught thinking with the little brain.  Big titties which you appear to have quite the perversion for we're the ultimate downfall.

I too believe that AW is nothing more than a scam that uses real ladies to fleece men. They make their money off the letters, apartment rentals, gifts and the girls make theirs when the guys come to visit. I learned it the hard way but I just took it as education and moved on. I do agree that people should be warned about the dangers of using pay per letter/credit sites.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 15, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
Eldanes, I met Tatiana about 3 years ago. She was the very first woman I went to meet in Odessa. This girl was nothing more than a pro-dater!!!! I finally got the clue after 4 days of expensive sushi restaurants and Karaoki bars, and her taxi scam that was pulled on me. I finally pulled the plug when she asked me to buy her shoes for $300.00!!!!

Hammer2722,

Seems like about the same time for my experience - Autumn 2009. Well, we got out of the adventue alive and despite all the lecture we will be getting we had a great time. Didn't we?

Cheers,
Eldanés
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: eldanes on August 18, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
Seems another forum has got the gist of what AnastasiaWeb is all about [Mod edit: forum censors are here for a reason and are not to be circumvented with asterixes]
Interestingly the moderators on this forum totally disagree to what the remaining world thinks.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on August 18, 2012, 11:44:06 AM
Seems another forum has got the gist of what AnastasiaWeb is all about [Mod edit: forum censors are here for a reason and are not to be circumvented with asterixes]
Interestingly the moderators on this forum totally disagree to what the remaining world thinks.

I don't know what all the moderators think about this or most other subjects.  There are a bunch of them and they don't always agree on things.  At most, one can get some idea of what two mods think about the subject of this thread.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2012, 03:42:15 PM
Seems another forum has got the gist of what AnastasiaWeb is all about [Mod edit: forum censors are here for a reason and are not to be circumvented with asterixes]
Interestingly the moderators on this forum totally disagree to what the remaining world thinks.

Eldanes, we do not link out to certain other sites for very good reason (usually because they deny links to us). If a link automatically flags up as *unapproved* here, please do not attempt to repost it by covert means as you just did.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: kristinaffm on October 18, 2012, 08:14:27 AM
I have never used the services of this site.
However, as a blogger I can tell you that I get mostly negative AnastasiaDate reviews from my readers. They all are not satisfied with the services of this site
(http://www.*Unapproved Link*/category/ukrainian-dating-agencies-review/anastasiadate/ (http://www.*Unapproved Link*/category/ukrainian-dating-agencies-review/anastasiadate/))

I was told that one man spent over $2000 on chats, most of them pretty meaningless and not leading to anything!!! AnastasiaDate is expensive. Sure, their translation service is appreciated, but you never know what of your letter actually arrives in a translated form on the other side – and vice versa. Chatting is expensive and can be very aggravating when there are delays in the reply, as the clock just keeps ticking. Paying 10 credits (between $3-$7.5) for photos attached to your letter is also not exactly cheap.

Moreover, the chat is censored. Words like google or Facebook get ……….. out, which is also hindering communication. Obviously AnastasiaDate wants to keep men on site and chatting, but once again, this is neither fair nor conducive.

Only one man sent a positive story of using this site. But I would not recommend to use this site - too many negative stories about scamming and "too beautiful girls" who are professional pro-daters.

There are so many free sites to meet a woman from Russia or Ukraine. Do not spend your money and time for this fake service.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on October 18, 2012, 08:18:43 AM


There are so many free sites to meet a woman from Russia or Ukraine. Do not spend your money and time for this fake service.

Kristina, you would be doing many guys a favor by listing these free sites. Either on your blog or here.*


*Manny can correct me if that is a violation of ToS to which I would then retract.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sharonhaber00 on October 18, 2012, 09:05:15 AM


There are so many free sites to meet a woman from Russia or Ukraine. Do not spend your money and time for this fake service.

Kristina, you would be doing many guys a favor by listing these free sites. Either on your blog or here.*

You wanna know? Click on one of those hotties on the left, which she advertises (though, not sure it meets those criteria of "free site" or more "fake service"?)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: mhr7 on March 19, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
Anastasia no longer lists the age range preferences of the girls. I think its a step in the right direction.  Removes some of false hope from those who are out of their league going after a young girl who says she's looking for guys up to age 70.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Odessarents on March 20, 2013, 12:11:11 AM
Anastasia no longer lists the age range preferences of the girls. I think its a step in the right direction.  Removes some of false hope from those who are out of their league going after a young girl who says she's looking for guys up to age 70.

This only causes a bigger issue's with men contacting ladies with out knowing  what age they are looking for , so there will be more men contacting ladies that would never be interested in a man of there age. A step in the right direction would be not giving away Mercedes cars and vacations and other things to get ladies on there site, stop mass advertising in odessa and other cities showing such prizes etc , another step would to stop threaten local agencies with fines if letters are not answer right away and black mailing agencies in Ukraine with non payment if there ladies register with other agencies. 

http://www.svadba.com/ (http://www.svadba.com/)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 20, 2013, 12:25:43 AM
I agree with BOU, this move takes away information from buyers and removes a market signal.

A sensible person soon understands that a woman seeking a bloke in a range 18-80 is likely to have an agenda and can make a choice. Now that information is hidden but the profiles remain.

Now a self aware old goat will have a much harder time finding his holiday companionship and the younger guy will not understand the woman's likely motivation so easily. This is a mistake for both the website and clients.

I am sure that some men look specifically for profiles of that type on Aweb - they do on other sites.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: arpete on March 20, 2013, 03:04:39 PM
Thank you, BridesofUkraine, for listing the link to the ladies's side of Anastasia. 

In the past few days, there were some comments someplace on this site about how things get mis-translated.    I've been playing around with Google Translate, going from Russian to English.  From Svadba's Home Page,  just translating the first paragraph, it comes out,

"Want to marry a foreigner?
Find yourself a decent pair!"
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 20, 2013, 03:14:48 PM
One thing I noted. A couple of years ago the competition prizes were Ford Fiestas and the like. Now they are on Mercedes.

Looks like even getting girls to chat to guys is getting hard now.

By the way, go look at the profiles of the guys.
You lot look like a bunch of axe murderers and descendents of incestuous marriages.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: arpete on March 20, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
LOL, Andrew, I'm 60 years old.  I looked at that age bracket.   Christ, I'd be a catch compared to some of those dipicted in those profiles! 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 23, 2013, 11:34:10 AM
One thing I noted. A couple of years ago the competition prizes were Ford Fiestas and the like. Now they are on Mercedes.

Looks like even getting girls to chat to guys is getting hard now.

By the way, go look at the profiles of the guys.
You lot look like a bunch of axe murderers and descendents of incestuous marriages.


 Andrew the pay to chat,  in  provincial city isat minimum  8 times a regular salary.so you could make  case its hard to get employees ,without that pay (or larger prize(s) ) incentive?
 or you could simply say its obviously profitable enough to allow such.
Chats currently centered at least 80% to 90% on arabic men that never travel.The business model changed long ago, and even its demographic.
Many affilates have no means, or even staff to meet,translate .or flat rental services.There is no front office, or even office a person could visit as a MOBer..lol.It's merely a building and business set up soley to provide chat for agencies like DM ,Aweb HRB, RLM, etc and they generally feed several large agencies at once.The chat stations are all routinely full, and yes its doubtful they have much trouble filling an empty chair at that pay grade.

 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2013, 11:58:49 AM
AJ, at least one of the businesses you note does NOT pay anyone to chat. To the best of my knlwedge Anastasia does not pay, but they DO offer prizes and the inflation there is clear.

Are you sure yo are not getting mixed up with sex chat and webcam stuff? A somewhat different busi´ness.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2013, 11:59:27 AM
One thing I noted. A couple of years ago the competition prizes were Ford Fiestas and the like. Now they are on Mercedes.

Looks like even getting girls to chat to guys is getting hard now.

By the way, go look at the profiles of the guys.
You lot look like a bunch of axe murderers and descendents of incestuous marriages.

I think it's the opposite.  The MOB business in Ukraine is so lucrative that it is also extremely competitive.  The better funded agencies can afford to give away expensive prizes in order to attract the most beautiful girls to their sites.

If MOB was dead, how could they possibly afford to give away any car, much less a Mercedes??
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 23, 2013, 07:04:45 PM
AJ, at least one of the businesses you note does NOT pay anyone to chat. To the best of my knlwedge Anastasia does not pay, but they DO offer prizes and the inflation there is clear.

Are you sure yo are not getting mixed up with sex chat and webcam stuff? A somewhat different busi´ness.

To update your knowledge about Anastasia-- they do pay!! As in cash money. The prizes are offered as incentive to create more traffic-- car may be a big one-- but many smaller costly items on offer all the time eg iphone has been hot desired item.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 24, 2013, 08:14:15 AM
Ant in common with many other people you see only one part of the picture. The fundamental issue facing the FSU mail order bride niche of the online dating market is supply of women. The outcome of which is a change in business models.

The inflation in incentives is because it is necessary. Businesses, unlike some of their clients do not spend money without cause. If they offer a Mercedes Benz as incentive it is because a lesser offer is not effective.

Yes the mail order bride business IS lucrative and so the proprietors do what they can to maximise the returns and lengthen the life span of the operation.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 24, 2013, 09:20:58 AM
AJ, at least one of the businesses you note does NOT pay anyone to chat. To the best of my knlwedge Anastasia does not pay, but they DO offer prizes and the inflation there is clear.

Anastasia pays it's affiliates commissions who in turn pays the chat girls. There are several of us on the forums who are married to women who worked for the feeder agencies. AD basically pays the women to chat indirectly and are fully aware of the situation. The way AJ describes it is exactly how it works.

I think it's the opposite.  The MOB business in Ukraine is so lucrative that it is also extremely competitive.  The better funded agencies can afford to give away expensive prizes in order to attract the most beautiful girls to their sites.

I agree, there is still a lot of money to be made in the industry. The agency my wife worked for keeps expanding with new offices and bringing in more money than before.  There are many women willing to do the work when they cannot find suitable employment in their field.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 24, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality. If otherwise were true then such promotional effort would not be required or be promoted in this website. One might still question whether incentivising single women in this manner is appropriate but is very different from a general policy to pay women.

It is good that your wife was able to distance herself from working in what she knew was a fraudulent environment.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 24, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality. If otherwise were true then such promotional effort would not be required or be promoted in this website. One might still question whether incentivising single women in this manner is appropriate but is very different from a general policy to pay women.

I would disagree on it being the norm for successful agencies but I can only speak for the company my wife worked for of course. The owner ran three large agencies and has since expanded. They are one of the larger feeders in Odessa and if you look at the profiles you can see where most of the women are from. My wife estimates the operation was around 1000 women and only 10% were legitimate, while the other 90% were paid or were just used for profiles once passport and photo shoot was done. The promotional is just a bonus and maybe draws in top earners.


It is good that your wife was able to distance herself from working in what she knew was a fraudulent environment.

Yes, we both feel the same way.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 24, 2013, 12:39:02 PM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality.

Let me shed a little light on the operation. How do you explain the login for women to chat that is hosted by Anastasia? This is the working login for women.

http://top-dates.net/index/Login.aspx

Keya Services Ltd.
   PO Box 409 PMB# 045 St John
   Tortola, Tortola 00831-0409
   VG

   Domain Name: TOP-DATES.NET

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
   Keya Services Ltd.               
   PO Box 409 PMB# 045 St John
   Tortola, Tortola 00831-0409
   VG
   +852 81703935

http://website.informer.com/Keya+Services+Ltd..html


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 24, 2013, 02:12:35 PM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality.

Let me shed a little light on the operation. How do you explain the login for women to chat that is hosted by Anastasia? This is the working login for women.

Some one is working on there sun tan?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 26, 2013, 05:40:37 PM
AJ, at least one of the businesses you note does NOT pay anyone to chat. To the best of my knlwedge Anastasia does not pay, but they DO offer prizes and the inflation there is clear.

Are you sure yo are not getting mixed up with sex chat and webcam stuff? A somewhat different busi´ness.

Andrew,
 
The agencies like Anastasia or HRB, may not pay directly women to chat.
Do  you think, that the affiliates for those agencies do not?
They do, without any doubt at all.

As soon as you visit Anastasia , 10 women will pop up, and try to invite you to chat,
thru the websites software,at all hours.
This is not done , or allowed , without intent to profit.

So please tell me, is there really any true difference who pays the girls, other than semantics?
Sorry if  I simply don't buy into the culpable deniability of that business model.

The affiliates do al this at the behest of the leading big agencies..
they supply chat women, and they absolutely pay them to chat.
The big agencies situated themselves to be able to *cough* deny direct involvement in such, ,but its silly at best.
Now,you did say webcam stuff, which is what video chat on Anastasia is.. is that some odd disclaimer you tossed in ?

Do you think all those girls that pop up immediately when on the website,
are all volunteers,  and just angling for prizes??
LOL
I can't imagine the fact ,they are paid,  would come as some revelation to you??
it boggles my mind really.
As it's quite a good gig in most provincial cities, far better than most jobs pay wise.


So,
 just so we can have a clear understanding between each other..
and shed some light for the board..

To the best of your knowledge,
what MOB based agencies that have vid chat girls, that pop up through the software to invite men to chat, are the girls not being directly paid by them, or by the affiliate agency, that  the girl is sitting at her chat station at?

It should be a really short list,and i'd love to hear it.
 :laugh:


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 26, 2013, 06:11:25 PM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality. If otherwise were true then such promotional effort would not be required or be promoted in this website. One might still question whether incentivising single women in this manner is appropriate but is very different from a general policy to pay women.

It is good that your wife was able to distance herself from working in what she knew was a fraudulent environment.

Sorry, please go to Ukraine , visit feeder agencies and get back to those of us who know andrew.
Until then ,your expertise is lacking in this one  area, and you should be thankful for it?
 Instead of telling others *how* things are, when frankly, you simply do not know.
If a girl is chatting she is paid to do so.period.
If you were to find one exception, then that's what it is the one exception.

For you to extrapolate that chat girls are not generally  paid to chat,,
because of some  promotions by a company that routinely practices cupable deniability in all its practices.. is really amusing. :laugh:

Now do all girls chat? heavens no!!
There are thousands and thousands of profiles per city..
but all girls that chat, are paid to.
They are also paid to write letters and emails when not busy in chat.

Do the agencies have promotions for all kinds of reasons? of course.
Some of which would be to try and show legitimacy where there isn't much.
Or to draw in new talent. or simply more profiles.
but the chat girls are not worried about such promotions, that i can assure you.

I wonder Andrew-
Do you know anybody that won a car? it is Ukraine, you seem to know this was actually a legit promotion that someone won?  (that wasn't a cousin, or lover , or connected to some manager?)hahahaha
but i'll give  that perhaps a few promotions might be legit?

I have no idea why you'd think the women that pop up, for chat are not paid..but you seem bent on proving its not true.
odd really.

You have several people telling you, that know first hand.
What possible reason could any of us have for telling you inaccurate information?
We have no vested interest.

How about you? :D






Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 26, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
AJ, at least one of the businesses you note does NOT pay anyone to chat. To the best of my knlwedge Anastasia does not pay, but they DO offer prizes and the inflation there is clear.

Are you sure yo are not getting mixed up with sex chat and webcam stuff? A somewhat different busi´ness.

Given your visit to HRB and the fallout afterwards, i'm incredibly surprised that HRB wasn't the one first  listed as the one you were sure doesn't pay to chat.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Phelan on March 26, 2013, 08:23:35 PM
Ok, I'm ready to chat for money. Where do I sign up?  ;D
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on March 26, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Sashathecat it is obvious from the promotional activity that even if some women in some agencies were paid to chat that this is not the generality. If otherwise were true then such promotional effort would not be required or be promoted in this website. One might still question whether incentivising single women in this manner is appropriate but is very different from a general policy to pay women.

It is good that your wife was able to distance herself from working in what she knew was a fraudulent environment.

Sorry, please go to Ukraine , visit feeder agencies and get back to those of us who know andrew.
Until then ,your expertise is lacking in this one  area, and you should be thankful for it?
 Instead of telling others *how* things are, when frankly, you simply do not know.
If a girl is chatting she is paid to do so.period.
If you were to find one exception, then that's what it is the one exception.

For you to extrapolate that chat girls are not generally  paid to chat,,
because of some  promotions by a company that routinely practices cupable deniability in all its practices.. is really amusing. :laugh:

Now do all girls chat? heavens no!!
There are thousands and thousands of profiles per city..
but all girls that chat, are paid to.
They are also paid to write letters and emails when not busy in chat.

Do the agencies have promotions for all kinds of reasons? of course.
Some of which would be to try and show legitimacy where there isn't much.
Or to draw in new talent. or simply more profiles.
but the chat girls are not worried about such promotions, that i can assure you.

I wonder Andrew-
Do you know anybody that won a car? it is Ukraine, you seem to know this was actually a legit promotion that someone won?  (that wasn't a cousin, or lover , or connected to some manager?)hahahaha
but i'll give  that perhaps a few promotions might be legit?

I have no idea why you'd think the women that pop up, for chat are not paid..but you seem bent on proving its not true.
odd really.

You have several people telling you, that know first hand.
What possible reason could any of us have for telling you inaccurate information?
We have no vested interest.

How about you? :D

Andrew has never been to Ukraine, yet he loudly proclaims that the MOB business is dead!!

It is bigger and more profitable than ever!!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2013, 01:20:04 AM
AJ I fully understand that some people can only 'know' that which they personally experience. If you are one of those then, sincerely, you have my sympathy for living with a tremendous handicap. Most of us are not so challenged and learn in many different ways.

Personal experience is almost the worst way to learn.

I know that a company advertising a competition for girls who engage with the guys is unlikely to be also paying them-at least not the girls aimed at in the promotion because it makes no sense to do so.

I also know that the value of the offering for the same purpose has increased significantly in a relatively short time; thus I know that it is likely harder to get the girls to engage.

The next step is likely to be a general policy of direct incentives but probably not cash and then will come generally available cash payments.

Are some affiliated agencies paying girls - of course they are we have known that for a decade. Will more Pay? Of course they will.

ANT - if the FSU based mail order bride business was not in its final stages then this discussion would not be taking place. As we know there is no shortage of men wanting to look at at 'chat' with pretty foreign girls. Much fewer mn wanting to get on a plane and almost none who complete the process. On the other side we know very few women want to leave their own country.

If the main output of a business is various scams then I suggest that the business is pretty much finished from the perspective of guys actually seeking a wife as opposed to guys paying for [edit] fodder.

Of course ANT if you are part of the latter group then from your perspective things have never been better. :-)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 02:08:52 AM
AJ I fully understand that some people can only 'know' that which they personally experience. If you are one of those then, sincerely, you have my sympathy for living with a tremendous handicap. Most of us are not so challenged and learn in many different ways.

Personal experience is almost the worst way to learn.

I know that a company advertising a competition for girls who engage with the guys is unlikely to be also paying them-at least not the girls aimed at in the promotion because it makes no sense to do so.

I also know that the value of the offering for the same purpose has increased significantly in a relatively short time; thus I know that it is likely harder to get the girls to engage.

The next step is likely to be a general policy of direct incentives but probably not cash and then will come generally available cash payments.

Are some affiliated agencies paying girls - of course they are we have known that for a decade. Will more Pay? Of course they will.

ANT - if the FSU based mail order bride business was not in its final stages then this discussion would not be taking place. As we know there is no shortage of men wanting to look at at 'chat' with pretty foreign girls. Much fewer mn wanting to get on a plane and almost none who complete the process. On the other side we know very few women want to leave their own country.

If the main output of a business is various scams then I suggest that the business is pretty much finished from the perspective of guys actually seeking a wife as opposed to guys paying for [edit] fodder.

Of course ANT if you are part of the latter group then from your perspective things have never been better. :-)

Andrew --please-- simply accept that others know ore than you on this topic.  In both AJ's and Sashacats  direct experience they have seen and know much more than is being said here. Personal first hand knowledge is an unbeatable way to learn!!
 Virtually everything these 2 guys have posted I can confirm myself--I have also seen it first hand -- as well as talking to many involved(at all levels). There is in fact much more than has been posted-- as chat regulars will testify --these guys and others who DO KNOW-- have talked extensively about it in chat( contrary to the "fews" opinions the "they" on the forum do not occupy much time in reality-- and never have). Many,many newcomers to the forum have been assisted there in specifically identifying potential scams-- all as a direct result of knowledge that some of us have on the system and specific girls.
Now when you want to get into theoretical argument about the reality-- you are on very thin ice-- time for you to stop,listen and learn from others who in fact--have far greater knowledge than you-- so it is inadvisable to be taking slaps at AJ and Sasha.
Now I have been in Ukraine( are you ready to concede that yet?) and you have not. On the topic at hand now--I think you will find there are quite a few in chat who will verify that I know plenty on this topic.Most specifically I would point out that my knowledge has not come from meeting one girls or seeing one agency.It was gathered over a period of time(long before I ever came near a forum) in meeting many people-- from girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others with an interest in the topic.
While it may be true that not all girls are paid-- some agencies certainly try it on with the inexperienced-- but girls learn soon enough.In fact-- I have assisted quite a few to get very significantly more money because of what I knew was being paid in other places or to other girls.Someone comments up thread that fsuw on forum do not seem to know that much on the subject-- I think that is true for girls in Ukraine as they do not have such easy access to the information. Most are shocked to find out how much is being offered in come places( I showed them adds).
The fact is that the huge majority are paid-- not necessarily well paid-- but paid. Some are making 10 times average Ukraine pay per month--that is huge incentive for girls.
For those that have been in agencies and seen it all working --it is very enlightening.
To be clear-- I do not like the system or any part of it. What I can say is that making judgements based on western morality is pointless-- the basic rationalisation of the industry in Ukraine is simple enough" No one forces these  men to spend their money"-- it is a point that is hard to dispute.
Andrew -the point of writing a long post(long for me) --is to enable you to learn without having to experience it yourself--but to learn from others who do know far more about the topic than you do. Sasha and AJ ( and me) have all been at pains to explain our case politely for the benefit of all her now and in the future.
All of us--have been in Ukraine quite a few times-- and I am certain when you need factual advice in the future the help will be there.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 27, 2013, 08:47:57 AM
The day that Andrew stops thinking and starts taking advice from Internet wackos, who can't do any better than reposting what they've read, is the day that I'll eat my hat.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2013, 09:02:33 AM
Thanks Tom.

Jay. When you tell me that the vast majority of women on MOB sites are getting paid then I know that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I don't care what you think you saw or what you think you know because the base proposition is not credible. At the least you are exaggerating at the most you are simply very, very credulous. If that is hard for you to grasp then read about the Pareto Principle, it will help you to understand why what you are saying is twaddle.

Save yourself some embarrassment, read what I wrote, have a look at some promotional material used by aggregators on their female niche sites and then get back to me. When you have seen the bigger picture you will understand better.

Or maybe not.

One thing that is sure though: if what you claim is correct then it is really hard to also disagree with my perspective that the FSU based MOB business is moribund.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on March 27, 2013, 09:36:52 AM
.... I can confirm myself--I have also seen it first hand --...

... Now I have been in Ukraine( are you ready to concede that yet?) and you have not. On the topic at hand now--I think you will find there are quite a few in chat who will verify that I know plenty on this topic.Most specifically I would point out that my knowledge has not come from meeting one girls or seeing one agency.It was gathered over a period of time(long before I ever came near a forum) in meeting many people-- from girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others with an interest in the topic..
Sasha and AJ ( and me) have all been at pains to explain our case politely for the benefit of all her now and in the future.
All of us--have been in Ukraine quite a few times-- and I am certain when you need factual advice in the future the help will be there.

Ok, Ok, enough of трали вали. Post photo of travel stamps in your passport  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
MissAmeno, with respect, it does not matter if a bloke even owns a passport, it is about the ability to understand what one sees from ALL sources.

While I DO think that Jay is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement I am certain that women are getting paid for chatting with blokes on web cams. It ain't in doubt.

The problem comes when a person leaps from a specific case and applies it as a generalization across the whole case - that's just bad thinking. When that lazy generalization flies in the face of other evidence, including observed reality then it is just ridiculous.

On the whole, one might wonder why one might even bother arguing with such silliness - except that there are people who have not had the chance to examine the case and who are thus likely to be misled. While it is true that there is a lot of scamming going on it ain't as preposterously common as Jay, AJ and some others are suggesting.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 27, 2013, 10:44:58 AM
So in a roundabout way there is consensus

#1 that women are paid to chat by individual agencies

#2 it seems to happen more in Ukraine

#3 that Anastasia/1st International are well aware of this.

#4 that chat is mostly a form of fraud

My guess it is more that 10% of the profiles but far less than say 90%. Unless we get a senior person from the management we will never really know.

Next?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2013, 10:53:26 AM
That's about it but to suggest that 'a vast majority' are paid fraudsters is simply not correct and is misleading.

It is one thing to tell people that there is an issue with scamming and to point out how to protect against it but it is another thing entirely to tell people that the chances of ever speaking to or meeting a genuine person through an MOB agency is almost non-existent is wrong and, IMHO dishonest and I have no idea why folks would try to mislead in this manner.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 27, 2013, 11:11:56 AM
There are few absolutes in this venture.But some are fairly consistent, there will be different cultures, there will be differing first languages, there will a difference in expectations.

How large or small the percentage of women who are involved in this fraud will never be known.

In fact what AndrewFi is saying is that the Mail Order Bride (MOB) industry as it was in the last century until the early part of 2000 (say 2005) is ending. A new business model is arriving that is based less on genuine people and more on deception. The likelihood that a genuine women is present in this barrel is substantially smaller.

What would be very interesting if some one had the statistic's from say 1999 how many women were present on MOB sites from specific cities and could compare those numbers to today.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on March 27, 2013, 11:21:13 AM
MissAmeno, with respect, it does not matter if a bloke even owns a passport, it is about the ability to understand what one sees from ALL sources.

While I DO think that Jay is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement I am certain that women are getting paid for chatting with blokes on web cams. It ain't in doubt. ...

Andrew, I am just curious how much he is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement  :biggrin:
Would I really be that much of the mark suspecting he actually visited Ukraine only once or not at all and all his aggrandizement founded on his keyboard detective agency?  :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
MissAmeno, as you may recall I was rather unsure that Jay had done as he claimed. Nothing has changed that opinion.

In the end though this site is so full of fantasists that another one more, or less, makes no great difference.

For myself I take folks as I find them and assign credibility based upon actions, or in this more ethereal world the quality of what they say, the accuracy when it can be assessed and the quality of insight bought to the table. In part that is why assigning credibility based upon claimed presence at a general location at some undisclosed time means very little. A few years ago, elsewhere, I wrote a travel report of a visit to the US Antarctic Base - McMurdo Station. It was all a fiction from start to finish and included photos recollections and characters. Nobody queried me. Since then we have read trip reports about guys going to the FSU that turned out to be complete works of fiction.

So, we just look at the quality of the insights, it is about all we can do.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 27, 2013, 12:28:22 PM
That's about it but to suggest that 'a vast majority' are paid fraudsters is simply not correct and is misleading.

It is one thing to tell people that there is an issue with scamming and to point out how to protect against it but it is another thing entirely to tell people that the chances of ever speaking to or meeting a genuine person through an MOB agency is wrong and, IMHO dishonest and I have no idea why folks would try to mislead in this manner.

Andrew,

In Ukraine, the majority of girls that vid chat are paid to do so.

yes or no?


Thanks mate.


No one is doing any misleading here , but you.
why? Is it similar to your HRB visit?
I have no vested interest in HRB or Anastasia?
and no reason to mislead a man visiting the site and receiving multiple vid chat requests per minute. (it averages 7 per minute,  have you done your due diligence andrew? )

The fact remains that when a man, logs onto HRB, Anastasia, Dream Marriage,etc, and the pop ups come up of women inviting him to chat, that those women, whether sincere about marriage or not, are paid by the affiliates  to chat .period.

no ifs, no and's, no exceptions, no goobledgook about all the legit profiles that might be on there. or other reasons some agency might have a promotion or threee.
none, period.
Those women inviting him to chat, are paid to do so.


You trying to be *right* ,by dodging about the issue,
is doing a great disservice.


The shear over all amount of profiles, is a separate part of the equation.
It changes nothing i stated about vid chat girls on those websites and thier respective salaries in provincial Ukraine.
It is fact, If you cant accept that , it's quite  ok, but do not mislead the men who go to such websites and pay to  accept an invitation to chat.

Now andrew, if you want to venture on to the percentages of profiles, that are legit,
versus  those that the  hired help  answer  the incoming correspondence,
that's another topic.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on March 27, 2013, 12:30:15 PM
MissAmeno, as you may recall I was rather unsure that Jay had done as he claimed. Nothing has changed that opinion.

In the end though this site is so full of fantasists that another one more, or less, makes no great difference.

For myself I take folks as I find them and assign credibility based upon actions, or in this more ethereal world the quality of what they say, the accuracy when it can be assessed and the quality of insight bought to the table. In part that is why assigning credibility based upon claimed presence at a general location at some undisclosed time means very little. A few years ago, elsewhere, I wrote a travel report of a visit to the US Antarctic Base - McMurdo Station. It was all a fiction from start to finish and included photos recollections and characters. Nobody queried me. Since then we have read trip reports about guys going to the FSU that turned out to be complete works of fiction.

So, we just look at the quality of the insights, it is about all we can do.

Hi Andrew,
I had not heard about fictitious  trip reports before. Can you post the fake ones for the forum?

Thanks,
Lee
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 27, 2013, 12:31:10 PM
MissAmeno, as you may recall I was rather unsure that Jay had done as he claimed. Nothing has changed that opinion.

In the end though this site is so full of fantasists that another one more, or less, makes no great difference.

For myself I take folks as I find them and assign credibility based upon actions, or in this more ethereal world the quality of what they say, the accuracy when it can be assessed and the quality of insight bought to the table. In part that is why assigning credibility based upon claimed presence at a general location at some undisclosed time means very little. A few years ago, elsewhere, I wrote a travel report of a visit to the US Antarctic Base - McMurdo Station. It was all a fiction from start to finish and included photos recollections and characters. Nobody queried me. Since then we have read trip reports about guys going to the FSU that turned out to be complete works of fiction.

So, we just look at the quality of the insights, it is about all we can do.


Yes and toss out the insight of those that differ with your opinion, which by your own admission is  formed merely be speculation and observation from afar.
 :laugh:

I take folks mostly as i find them too..
And you are generally much better at evaluating a business model than you have proven to be regarding MOB agencies, so i have to think you are merely *playing* at being daft,  and had ,or have,  some vested interest, or you are just being argumentative over a subject you neither care about, or know much about.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 27, 2013, 12:55:26 PM
MissAmeno, with respect, it does not matter if a bloke even owns a passport, it is about the ability to understand what one sees from ALL sources.

While I DO think that Jay is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement I am certain that women are getting paid for chatting with blokes on web cams. It ain't in doubt. ...

Andrew, I am just curious how much he is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement  :biggrin:
Would I really be that much of the mark suspecting he actually visited Ukraine only once or not at all and all his aggrandizement founded on his keyboard detective agency?  :evilgrin0002:


How much would andrew exaggerate his speculation to appear *right*?
 What about looking at Andrews passport or trips to an agency affiliate?
or a chat center in ukraine perhaps?
no ,that wouldnt give any credibility at all would it?
He just *knows* and all should bow down to his superior ability to read the internet, or
the inner workings and business practices, of businesses he isn't involved with.
(or at least claims not to be)

Wait, maybe if he dated someone from Anastasia affiliates?
nope hasn't done that .
Maybe if well maybe if he actually logged onto such sites and had done some due diligence,
 researched where the chat invites come from, the times of day in ukraine etc?
nope he hasnt done that either.

but expresses he knows more than anyone else here on the subject.
is that odd, or just omniscient?


You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

oh right'o.. first hand experience working in an agency wouldn't mean anything, Andrew would know more. 
but of course who would think differently?
of course an intellectual from Tallin knows more about the extent of agency affiliate shanningans in Ukraine.. than someone who has worked for them.
 
How silly of us neandrathals to give any credence to anyone else.

It is amusing as hell when a UK man from Tallin, can extrapolate mostly from thin air the facts,
far  better than those Ukrainians who have worked in the affiliate agencies and know the extent of things far better than  Andrew could ever hope to.

Andrew doesnt even know with any certainty, that any car was ever given away in Ukraine..
certainly doesn't know if anyone legitimate , that was not associated with a manager etc.
Yet bases a great deal of his argument on the *fact* agencies have promotions..
dodgy math be any stretch of the imagination.

Yes everything that is  on a website related top MOB and Ukraine is legit..
especially promotions..for the MOB ladies
hahahahahahahahahaha
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
please i've got a stitch in my side, let me rest Andrew.

Really mate, I havnt laughed this hard since your *findings* of nothing,  at the home office of HRB, the MOB is dead ebook, and Planet Love  coming into play.

Good stuff. I'm greatly amused , keep it up.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
That's about it but to suggest that 'a vast majority' are paid fraudsters is simply not correct and is misleading.

It is one thing to tell people that there is an issue with scamming and to point out how to protect against it but it is another thing entirely to tell people that the chances of ever speaking to or meeting a genuine person through an MOB agency is almost non-existent is wrong and, IMHO dishonest and I have no idea why folks would try to mislead in this manner.

It is typical of you that when others are stating a contrary view to you that you attribute a position that is not being stated-- what is being disputed is that you said girls are not paid.
I am not alledging that this is a fraud in itself--that is a different issue.Nowhere here have I suggested the "vast majority"  are paid fraudsters.Your statement is very typical of how you attempt to shift away from your wrong,untenable comments.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 27, 2013, 01:09:38 PM
The day that Andrew stops thinking and starts taking advice from Internet wackos, who can't do any better than reposting what they've read, is the day that I'll eat my hat.

And the day Andrew ever admits he doesn't really know a great deal about this subject,or any other?
 
what will happen then?
The planets will align and the earths rotation will stop?


 :laugh: :ROFL:

oh wait I know! the earths poles will shift and Tallin will be the new axis we pivot around!!

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 01:24:12 PM

to understand why what you are saying is twaddle.

Save yourself some embarrassment, read what I wrote, have a look at some promotional material used by aggregators on their female niche sites and then get back to me. When you have seen the bigger picture you will understand better.
d.

Andrew it is you that ought to be embarrassed--you have climbed so far out on a limb in asserting girls are not paid-- you dismiss those who do have first hand knowledge as being irrelevent.
None of what you are being told here is any big deal-- just the reality of the situation-- so why bother continuing to attempt to argue that black is white.What you can say with certainty is that YOU DO NOT KNOW.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 27, 2013, 02:30:08 PM
Perhaps we ought to rely more heavily on the "chat regulars," irrespective of whether they've been anywhere or not, are burned out on the Lord, got enough oxygen in utero, are flaming misogynists or even have normal brain wiring.

There is in fact much more than has been posted-- as chat regulars will testify --these guys and others who DO KNOW-- have talked extensively about it in chat( contrary to the "fews" opinions the "they" on the forum do not occupy much time in reality-- and never have).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 27, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
Perhaps we ought to rely more heavily on the "chat regulars," irrespective of whether they've been anywhere or not, are burned out on the Lord, got enough oxygen in utero, are flaming misogynists or even have normal brain wiring.

Chat is allot of things mostly though it is talking about things like dirt bikes, sail boats or the weather in Michigan and do crocuses come up before daffodils. The women come and they chat mostly in Russian. Also we get weather reports from the Southwest and Vladivostok.

Sometimes there is a moan or groan about another poster. But it is fairly laid back - rarely are issues discussed as they are on the forum. Ask Krassie if you have any doubts.

Time to let it go and move on in my opinion. 

Sure I have my opinions of other posters I try (not always successfully) to keep them to myself. It would be better to discuss this in another place.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
AJ I fully understand that some people can only 'know' that which they personally experience. If you are one of those then, sincerely, you have my sympathy for living with a tremendous handicap. Most of us are not so challenged and learn in many different ways.

Personal experience is almost the worst way to learn.


Really Andrew --this is comic. You are saying that having real exposure is a handicap to know-- and you-- who have NEVER even been in the country -- know better.

Truly a ridiculous proposition.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 10:56:32 PM
That's about it but to suggest that 'a vast majority' are paid fraudsters is simply not correct and is misleading.

It is one thing to tell people that there is an issue with scamming and to point out how to protect against it but it is another thing entirely to tell people that the chances of ever speaking to or meeting a genuine person through an MOB agency is almost non-existent is wrong and, IMHO dishonest and I have no idea why folks would try to mislead in this manner.


Once again you set your own premise-- accredit to others-- and then dismiss it and contrary views to yours.No one else is attempting to mislead anyone here-- only you.
What the actual % if genuine girls in the system is hard to ascertain. My view is that in the right circumstances for girls  the looking % is higher than 10%. What it does mean is that girls are not looking for "any" man-- but he will need plenty going for him. The dismissive attitude(on forum) towards the MOB guys is probably not totally unfounded as many guys will simply not be acceptable-- for many different potential reasons.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 11:04:49 PM
Thanks Tom.

Jay. When you tell me that the vast majority of women on MOB sites are getting paid then I know that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I don't care what you think you saw or what you think you know because the base proposition is not credible. At the least you are exaggerating at the most you are simply very, very credulous. If that is hard for you to grasp then read about the Pareto Principle, it will help you to understand why what you are saying is twaddle.


Having TomT carry your bags instead of Halo is hardly a surprise to anyone. He was one of the guys that joined you in calling me a liar over whether I have ever been in Ukraine. What is truly comic( not) is that you Andrew have never been there-- and TomT  declined many times to answer the question as to when and where he had been. As it happens-- it seems that he was ther about 6/7 years ago-- hardly concurrent knowledge.
Once again-- you seek to dismiss a contrary and throw in allegations in an attempt to discredit-- it is you that has no credibility as you keep persisting with nonsense statements and can offer only personal attacks to try and discredit those with first hand knowledge.
Taking slaps at respected guys like Sasha and AJ only serves to illustrate what an arrogant fool you can be.Why not simply accept the fact of the realiity-- and get on with life.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
Perhaps we ought to rely more heavily on the "chat regulars," irrespective of whether they've been anywhere or not, are burned out on the Lord, got enough oxygen in utero, are flaming misogynists or even have normal brain wiring.

There is in fact much more than has been posted-- as chat regulars will testify --these guys and others who DO KNOW-- have talked extensively about it in chat( contrary to the "fews" opinions the "they" on the forum do not occupy much time in reality-- and never have).

Perhaps if you actually came to chat and participated instead of spying anonymously or only going there to stalk you would see for yourself.The large majority are experienced in the FSU world-- either living,having lived or visited multiple times.It is often the first port of call for newcomers who come to the forum need help -- even if they only find that out after they come !!
Many newcomers do not want to expose themselves to so much of the negative bs seen in threads( like being called a liar  or an ignorant fool )-- so prefer to chat instead of post.
Instead off spending your time sniping why not focus on  a few positives-- you do have some insight and ability to help-- so why not use it.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: missAmeno on March 28, 2013, 03:25:28 AM
You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

AJ, I did not question your (or Sasha's, or wives) experience, I questioned Jay's experience and for a number of reasons (mainly irony  :knit: ). Not that long ago Jay used to troll around forum questioning experience of several members and all because somewhere at the beginning of his participation on this forum his experience was questioned (again for a number of reasons and mainly because his views/opinions at a time made impression that he never been anywhere near Ukraine). His reaction to the fact that some had doubts in his credibility was ... err ... umm .... el_gueroish. He shouted long and loud (still does time to time) and on every possible corner how dare anyone to question his credibility but actually never posting/doing anything to comfirm when and how many times he visited Ukraine. Since those times he got into habit dismissing anything anyone says about Ukraine unless it is either in agreement with his own views/opinions or at least comes from someone who recently visited Ukraine. The amusement in this whole hogwash is how rapidly Jay's experience is growing for those 10 (or so) months that he participated on this forum. He went from someone  who was looking for information and advice to an expert with extensive knowledge acquired at first hand from 'girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others'

Other thing that I find quiet interesting how conveniently he turned from my (his own experience) to our (collective experience between him, you, Sasha and other members that visited Ukraine).

AJ, don't let your attitude towards some members obscure the fact that one fool is attempting to ascribe your experience as his own. Most of his own experience is based not on first hand knowledge but by lifting the experiences of other forum members through reading and chat (AJ, you are one of those members).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 28, 2013, 03:45:28 AM
MissAmeno, as you may recall I was rather unsure that Jay had done as he claimed. Nothing has changed that opinion.

In the end though this site is so full of fantasists that another one more, or less, makes no great difference.

For myself I take folks as I find them and assign credibility based upon actions, or in this more ethereal world the quality of what they say, the accuracy when it can be assessed and the quality of insight bought to the table. In part that is why assigning credibility based upon claimed presence at a general location at some undisclosed time means very little. A few years ago, elsewhere, I wrote a travel report of a visit to the US Antarctic Base - McMurdo Station. It was all a fiction from start to finish and included photos recollections and characters. Nobody queried me. Since then we have read trip reports about guys going to the FSU that turned out to be complete works of fiction.

So, we just look at the quality of the insights, it is about all we can do.

Hi Andrew,
I had not heard about fictitious  trip reports before. Can you post the fake ones for the forum?

Thanks,
Lee

Sadly those reports are pretty much a thing of the past and I'd be unable to link you to one of them. I don't think we have any such on this forum although maybe some others may have better recall than I.

Try searching defunct forums for the username 'Gameranger', set in Ukraine, Black Sea region as I recall; it was an epic of its type, well written with good attention to detail and for quite a time he had most of us fooled - which is as it should be in such cases.

There's plnety of others where the writer has been happy to exaggerate but that is kinda normal and at the same time hard to be any kind of certain of.

On the whole though the level of literacy and creative ability, on forums of this type at least, has fallen through the floor and I doubt that (m)any could pull off such an exploit these days.

My own Antarctic 'adventure' is no longer in these here interwebs, the private forum where I posted it is long since gone away and I have no copy.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 28, 2013, 03:55:12 AM
AJ, please READ what I wrote. I made no comments about amounts of money that SOME women get paid for their activities. I also know full well that SOME women get paid to chat.

Believe it or not it was me, many, many years ago who first raised the issue of women getting paid to chat and, indirectly, several years later, those assertions led to an invitiation to see the operations of a large US based aggregator, all those years ago I pointed out the economics that drove the incentivisation of women on video chat.
However the evidence to support an assertion that the vast majority of women doing online chat in all agencies are being paid is simply not there - and, apart from the silliness of asserting absolutes when the evidence to the contrary is strong, it is the economics that tell us that what you and others are trying to say is just silly.

AJ, as somebody else has pointed out to you: you are being used. You are not a stupid bloke, you are human and as a human you tend to use exageration to make a point but don't allow others to force you to pass off those exagerations for effect as truth because that makes you something other than a normal bloke trying to make a point.
Don't make yourself into another example of a useful idiot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot), you can probably do better.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 09:22:17 AM
As it happens-- it seems that he was ther about 6/7 years ago-- hardly concurrent knowledge.

You have no idea when I was in Ukraine, how many times that I visited or the usage of "concurrent." You are very talented at harassing women, though; I will give you that.


 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on March 28, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

AJ, I did not question your (or Sasha's, or wives) experience, I questioned Jay's experience and for a number of reasons (mainly irony  :knit: ). Not that long ago Jay used to troll around forum questioning experience of several members and all because somewhere at the beginning of his participation on this forum his experience was questioned (again for a number of reasons and mainly because his views/opinions at a time made impression that he never been anywhere near Ukraine). His reaction to the fact that some had doubts in his credibility was ... err ... umm .... el_gueroish. He shouted long and loud (still does time to time) and on every possible corner how dare anyone to question his credibility but actually never posting/doing anything to comfirm when and how many times he visited Ukraine. Since those times he got into habit dismissing anything anyone says about Ukraine unless it is either in agreement with his own views/opinions or at least comes from someone who recently visited Ukraine. The amusement in this whole hogwash is how rapidly Jay's experience is growing for those 10 (or so) months that he participated on this forum. He went from someone  who was looking for information and advice to an expert with extensive knowledge acquired at first hand from 'girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others'

Other thing that I find quiet interesting how conveniently he turned from my (his own experience) to our (collective experience between him, you, Sasha and other members that visited Ukraine).

AJ, don't let your attitude towards some members obscure the fact that one fool is attempting to ascribe your experience as his own. Most of his own experience is based not on first hand knowledge but by lifting the experiences of other forum members through reading and chat (AJ, you are one of those members).

AJ, I'll second that.

I believe I was one of those who asked for clarification and got hammered. Not that I've been going there since 1999.

I think another one was ashley.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

AJ, I did not question your (or Sasha's, or wives) experience, I questioned Jay's experience and for a number of reasons (mainly irony  :knit: ). Not that long ago Jay used to troll around forum questioning experience of several members and all because somewhere at the beginning of his participation on this forum his experience was questioned (again for a number of reasons and mainly because his views/opinions at a time made impression that he never been anywhere near Ukraine). His reaction to the fact that some had doubts in his credibility was ... err ... umm .... el_gueroish. He shouted long and loud (still does time to time) and on every possible corner how dare anyone to question his credibility but actually never posting/doing anything to comfirm when and how many times he visited Ukraine. Since those times he got into habit dismissing anything anyone says about Ukraine unless it is either in agreement with his own views/opinions or at least comes from someone who recently visited Ukraine. The amusement in this whole hogwash is how rapidly Jay's experience is growing for those 10 (or so) months that he participated on this forum. He went from someone  who was looking for information and advice to an expert with extensive knowledge acquired at first hand from 'girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others'

Other thing that I find quiet interesting how conveniently he turned from my (his own experience) to our (collective experience between him, you, Sasha and other members that visited Ukraine).

AJ, don't let your attitude towards some members obscure the fact that one fool is attempting to ascribe your experience as his own. Most of his own experience is based not on first hand knowledge but by lifting the experiences of other forum members through reading and chat (AJ, you are one of those members).

The problem with sleeping with dogs is that you tend to get fleas and what an utter "fool" or is it a tool you have become.Is it actually MissA writing this or someone who logs into forum in her name-- and yes--it is a reasonable question as it is a fact being stated.
It was not me that has ever trolled-- if you bother to look it is one particular individual in TomT who even followed to another forum in a fit of pique-fact not fiction.
I think of you also check the record I did not come to the forum naive of the issues raised--in fact I was immediately attacked as to what or how I knew anything.
You attack me as to when I was in Ukraine--- but accept AndrewFi comments as fact--when in reality he has never been in Ukraine ever!! TomT gets all uppity when observation is made that it was a long time ago that he was there-- these are simply the facts. So why want to go to war with me and question my credibility on the issue. I made an offer I will repeat to you and anyone else that wants to take it up-- I will bet $5000 to anyone and everyone that wants me to prove my visits.So put your money where your mouths are AndrewFi,TomT,Brass etc-- or shutup-it is simple.Each of these individuals has called me a liar-- so let everyone see what wimps you really are.
I will donate the proceeds to a worthwhile charity in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 28, 2013, 01:17:14 PM
The fact andrew pretends to know about the chat centers set up in Ukraine
,the percentage of women paid to chat ,verse those that do it for free,,
 is whats the most amusing.
All from his visit to HRB home office in Florida and other speculation .
(Did they pay for your trip Andrew?)

Listen Andrew,  if you can't fathom the most basic of a companies maneuverings ,
and positioning themselves in the best light for marketing..
then there really is no point in this.
Your either just enjoy debate ,or daft.

You keep convincing yourself the economics dont match up..?
that's laughable and frankly I'm bored with your sillyness over this.

Anastasia, who we were discussing, has their home page set up to invite men to vid chat. constant barrage of popups 24/7.
yes or no?

Men logged in their who accept any of the many chat invites , pay per minute by credit card. Anastasia receives that money
yes or no?

The women inviting the men to vid chat are generally in provincial cities all across Ukraine
( a very few in Russia)
Yes or no?

The affiliate agencies the majority (not some andrew, the majority)of these women are at, at all hours of the day..are  being compensated by Anastasia?
yes or no?

The majority of women , at these affiliates doing video chat, are compensated by the affiliatetes?
yes or no?

If your  presumtion is accurate,  yoi asnswred no to most of those qwuestions
and then  Anastasia makes tons of money off video chat, without a single dime passing on to Ukraine?
Yes? or no?


Which makes more sense andrew?
Do people in Ukraine work for free? as in the affiliate agencies?
Apply occums razor since you cant seem to take the word of affiliate workers and managers.

and please go visit HRB again, you learned so much the last trip.
Its a huge help to the readers here. (:)


The readership needs to understand without semantics,
 that if they  log into Anastasia and accept an invite to video chat,
They are without any doubts,  chatting with a women who is paid to chat with him.

unlike yourself apparently,
i'm not so daft as to think if i visit Anastasias home office, they will
outline the amount paid to their affiliates in Ukraine, and openly acknowledge  their affiliates routinely paying the vid chat girls.


If you want to propose differently, please andrew,
let us all  know , to the best of your knowledge,
what percent of the 7 chat invites per minute that pop up at such sites,
 are not from women who are paid to chat.

please some good hard  numbers from your due diligence on the subject.

 :laugh:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2013, 01:22:44 PM

Other thing that I find quiet interesting how conveniently he turned from my (his own experience) to our (collective experience between him, you, Sasha and other members that visited Ukraine).


It is simple enough--in part I was referring to the collective experiences/exposure that was common to all 3 people--- and the distinction was being made to my own specific exposure which is/was different.
It is an example of seeking to deliberately misinterpret something said in an attempt to discredit.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2013, 01:26:52 PM
As it happens-- it seems that he was ther about 6/7 years ago-- hardly concurrent knowledge.

You have no idea when I was in Ukraine, how many times that I visited or the usage of "concurrent." You are very talented at harassing women, though; I will give you that.

You can always tell us when you were there-- why the big secret>
Funny comments from a guy that has halo running around making excuses for you-- you send Nessie to do your dirty work and now MissA(or is it Brass) to do some more bag carrying for you.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2013, 01:34:13 PM
You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

AJ, I did not question your (or Sasha's, or wives) experience, I questioned Jay's experience and for a number of reasons (mainly irony  :knit: ). Not that long ago Jay used to troll around forum questioning experience of several members and all because somewhere at the beginning of his participation on this forum his experience was questioned (again for a number of reasons and mainly because his views/opinions at a time made impression that he never been anywhere near Ukraine). His reaction to the fact that some had doubts in his credibility was ... err ... umm .... el_gueroish. He shouted long and loud (still does time to time) and on every possible corner how dare anyone to question his credibility but actually never posting/doing anything to comfirm when and how many times he visited Ukraine. Since those times he got into habit dismissing anything anyone says about Ukraine unless it is either in agreement with his own views/opinions or at least comes from someone who recently visited Ukraine. The amusement in this whole hogwash is how rapidly Jay's experience is growing for those 10 (or so) months that he participated on this forum. He went from someone  who was looking for information and advice to an expert with extensive knowledge acquired at first hand from 'girls,interpreters ,agency owners ,photographers ,promoters and others'

Other thing that I find quiet interesting how conveniently he turned from my (his own experience) to our (collective experience between him, you, Sasha and other members that visited Ukraine).

AJ, don't let your attitude towards some members obscure the fact that one fool is attempting to ascribe your experience as his own. Most of his own experience is based not on first hand knowledge but by lifting the experiences of other forum members through reading and chat (AJ, you are one of those members).

You have made this long winded attack on me-- where do you comment on the topic at hand?
Andrew has persisted in making a ridiculous assertion that others clearly know more about.
You MissA-- said nothing about the point at issue--that is are the girls paid.
It would not surprise me if you know nothing on the topic(other than what you have read)--it is an example of how being a  FSUW does not make you a fountain of knowledge on all things Ukraine.
So perhaps it would illuminate us all if you can tell us about agency girls and specifically payments.I am sure it would be helpfull if you indicate your sources.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on March 28, 2013, 01:38:04 PM
The fact andrew pretends to know about the chat centers set up in Ukraine
,the percentage of women paid to chat ,verse those that do it for free,,
 is whats the most amusing.
All from his visit to HRB home office in Florida and other speculation .
(Did they pay for your trip Andrew?)

Listen Andrew,  if you can't fathom the most basic of a companies maneuverings ,
and positioning themselves in the best light for marketing..
then there really is no point in this.
Your either just enjoy debate ,or daft.

You keep convincing yourself the economics dont match up..?
that's laughable and frankly I'm bored with your sillyness over this.

Anastasia, who we were discussing, has their home page set up to invite men to vid chat. constant barrage of popups 24/7.
yes or no?

Men logged in their who accept any of the many chat invites , pay per minute by credit card. Anastasia receives that money
yes or no?

The women inviting the men to vid chat are generally in provincial cities all across Ukraine
( a very few in Russia)
Yes or no?

The affiliate agencies the majority (not some andrew, the majority)of these women are at, at all hours of the day..are  being compensated by Anastasia?
yes or no?

The majority of women , at these affiliates doing video chat, are compensated by the affiliatetes?
yes or no?

If your  presumtion is accurate,  yoi asnswred no to most of those qwuestions
and then  Anastasia makes tons of money off video chat, without a single dime passing on to Ukraine?
Yes? or no?


Which makes more sense andrew?
Do people in Ukraine work for free? as in the affiliate agencies?
Apply occums razor since you cant seem to take the word of affiliate workers and managers.

and please go visit HRB again, you learned so much the last trip.
Its a huge help to the readers here. (:)


The readership needs to understand without semantics,
 that if they  log into Anastasia and accept an invite to video chat,
They are without any doubts,  chatting with a women who is paid to chat with him.

unlike yourself apparently,
i'm not so daft as to think if i visit Anastasias home office, they will
outline the amount paid to their affiliates in Ukraine, and openly acknowledge  their affiliates routinely paying the vid chat girls.


If you want to propose differently, please andrew,
let us all  know , to the best of your knowledge,
what percent of the 7 chat invites per minute that pop up at such sites,
 are not from women who are paid to chat.

please some good hard  numbers from your due diligence on the subject.

 :laugh:


Not that I'd ever have any knowledge on this topic, but what percentage of the women on this site are under 23?  What percentage is under 21?  The assumption Andrew Fi is making is that a woman - The majority of women are under 23.  You can do the math.  All it takes is one quick online search at any one time. - who is under the age of 23 is there in an unpaid position to voluntarily try to meet the love of her life?  Man, what have you been smokin?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 01:47:26 PM
It's pretty much a given that something is amiss if gorgeous girls in their early twenties are showing an interest in broken-down old* coots. Whether someone is being compensated directly, indirectly or running a private scam is immaterial. The results are going to be all the same.



* (Anyone over forty)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 28, 2013, 01:48:22 PM
Muzh, you or MIssA's comments are on other posters mostly?


Andrew cares to debate this, with me, or sasha,
without much reason, or credibility to do so.

The side bars are mostly immaterial.

Andrews visit to HRB is though..
 :laugh:


You know Muzh,  only SOME men working on a garbage truck are paid to do so..
some do it for free ! for the experience and fine dining.
 :laugh:



Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 01:56:42 PM
AJ,

It was Nessi and I who visited HRB's home office.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 28, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
It's pretty much a given that something is amiss if gorgeous girls in their early twenties are showing an interest in broken-down old* coots. Whether someone is being compensated directly, indirectly or running a private scam is immaterial. The results are going to be all the same.

* (Anyone over forty)

Tom give some here a break lets call the old coot's over 50.

But seriously lets try to remain social and polite. I felt there was agreement over some perhaps many (between 10 and 90%) are chatting for gain.

OK some might be working to improve there English and might be younger than 21 and older than 23. Be careful for those 22 year olds ! 

They chatty lot might spend time earning extra money being on chat.

Most of the men are old coots or semi old naive coots.

The women are being paid by the local agencies with knowledge of Anastasia.

We all agree?

For what it is worth I believe (because I have met them) there are women who are sincere on Anastasia but they are the minority in my opinion. Also I think based on what I have observed most local agencies are more interested in earning money through chat than matching men from the West with women from the former Soviet Union.

If you want to use Anastasia you are either 1.) A newbie 2.) Very Naive 3.) Not serious in your search.

Lets move on.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 28, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
AJ,

It was Nessi and I who visited HRB's home office.

Andrew visited HRB and Planet Love Match for different reasons than TT's visit with his better half.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 02:22:27 PM
We all agree?

No. I don't think that the less-attractive girls are getting anything more than a cut of the gifts that they "sell."
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 28, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
It's pretty much a given that something is amiss if gorgeous girls in their early twenties are showing an interest in broken-down old* coots. Whether someone is being compensated directly, indirectly or running a private scam is immaterial. The results are going to be all the same.
* (Anyone over forty)

Yes of course Tom, and andrew agrees, he knows they chat 24/7,  in shifts..
but for some reason yet to be determined, he just wants to debate the percentage of vid chat girls being paid, vs not being paid.
Why would he even want to debate that ?Interesting isnt it?
Combine that with the amusing HRB home office visit.. dear Lord!
lol my side is starting to hurt again.

but sorry, I'll not roll over and let him mislead the readers here about the subject.
or about the extent , or rather percent  , of the women paid to chat.

His speculation is simply  off, and he has absolutely nothing to show otherwise, other than a paid(?) trip to a USA based home office.
 :chuckle:

 Why is it so hard for sndrew to accept its the majority?or let a statement to that effect by several members stand?
Is there any evidence, at all , to even remotely suggest that the majority are not paid to chat?
Do you really think a car promotion is some kind of credible evidence otherwise?

If so, I'll go manage a local affiliate,, and  run 5 promotions in Nikolayev and be sure my best girls win..a car, a trip etc...
of course only the hot ones that want to date me
(and Tom, they will only get paid a meager bonus and the car(s) returned to the dealership.)and you can bet the *winners/workers* will never tell.
Naw, shucks folks,  that's not how Ukraine works at all..  :laugh:

Heck Andrew can invest ,, make a website with vid chat pop ups, and he can pretend
that i dont pay the majority of chat girls, all while he rakes in some cash.


Of course, while a bit out there,  it is within the realm of possibility , that he is already doing so, isnt it?
:laugh:
I don't really think that, but it would explain a lot of his posturing. :chuckle:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 28, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
AJ,

It was Nessi and I who visited HRB's home office.

What home office  did Andrew visit?

His words, not mine.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 03:24:08 PM
AJ,

It was Nessi and I who visited HRB's home office.

What home office  did Andrew visit?

I'm sure that Andrew will clarify that point if he wants to do so.

Personally, I think that this entire discussion is pointless. The front-page girls aren't available for the general population of bride-seekers; that's all that anyone has to know.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 28, 2013, 03:24:47 PM
We all agree?

No. I don't think that the less-attractive girls are getting anything more than a cut of the gifts that they "sell."


Are there legit profiles? of course.

But the ages bantered about here, are just more of the foolishness.

I do know the highest earner in one provincial city, she is 31.
This debate about *some*, or only under 23,, is all silly

It is quite simple.
If a man gets  vid chat invite on Anastasia or Dream Marriage, from a 18 to 40 yo women ,the simple odds are overwhelming she is being directly paid to chat with him.
this simple concept alluding members here is down right hysterical.

 :D


It's the MOB industry in Ukraine and folks want to think its some small percent of dirty?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 03:31:51 PM
This debate about *some*, or only under 23,, is all silly

The only remarkable point about girls in their early twenties in this discussion is that it should be obvious that the bride-seekers aren't gettin' one of 'em... unless they have Billy's charm, wit, cleverness and sexual prowess.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: ashbyclarke on March 28, 2013, 03:58:30 PM
This debate about *some*, or only under 23,, is all silly

The only remarkable point about girls in their early twenties in this discussion is that it should be obvious that the bride-seekers aren't gettin' one of 'em... unless they have Billy's charm, wit, cleverness and sexual prowess.

How very true Tom, or as you have previously put it, dating within their 'pool'

Simply apply logic, it's quite obvious, but these places sell dreams, and everyone likes a dream :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
So put your money where your mouths are AndrewFi,TomT,Brass etc-- or shutup-it is simple.Each of these individuals has called me a liar-- so let everyone see what wimps you really are.

I don't think that you are a liar; I'm leaning more toward faulty brain wiring. 


p.s.

I see (in reply #497) that you still have a way with women.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2013, 04:24:31 PM
How very true Tom, or as you have previously put it, dating within their 'pool'

I'm not talkin' about within one's pool; within one's species will suffice.  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on March 28, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
    When I did my research on Anastasia Date, I also looked at AD's sister sites.  I looked each of them from the perspective of a woman coming into AD and what type of incentive they might have to pursue a ‘Real’ relationship.  I had heard stories of success, noted here are Sasha’s and AJ’s.  There are others that I am also aware of.

I felt it a good idea to become an expert on ONE site and dismiss all of the others.  Because AD had the most money, it was able to attract the greatest selection of women.

Here is one of the things I discovered:  AmoLatina, the sister site of AD, has (or had) a direct offer of compensation to women to talk to men on the site.  The offer was something like “get paid to chat with men, and, who knows, you may find the love of your life”.  That is my poor Spanish translation.  I am sure others can do better as I am not a linguist.

Since my initial exposure, I have dipped into the well of these women three times.  The first was to get myself acclimated.  The second to set up a WMVF visit.  And, the third was to renew my search after breaking up with my former committed girlfriend (who I found on AD).   In each segment, there were obvious landmines.  My nature is not suspicious, but common sense leads you to believe that there is a group of women there just to take your money.  Then there are the ones that would like to take your money, but might be looking as well.  There is a third group, though very small, who signed up, knows nothing about money and these women are really hoping to find their mate.  Both women I found fall into the second group.  I have not chastised them for their actions.  And should I wind up marrying one, I will support her delving into deceiving men as a tacit mistake, not to be repeated.

My experiences dovetail with Sasha and AJ’s.  Most of the profiles on AD are not represented by the woman in the pictures, but by agency employees, either women or men.  The profiles are used with and without the consent of the women of who’s pictures are displayed.  For those women who actually appear on camera, on chat, they sign a contract to be online for a certain amount of time each day.  It does not take much imagination to understand that if a woman has a full time job, she is not going to be online at 3:00 in the morning, chatting with a man.  Similarly, if she is online with a webcam at that time, she is there for a reason, and it has nothing to do with finding a mate.  She has to earn her keep some way.  She can’t be online on camera in the middle of the night and hold down a regular job as well.

My recent relationship with a woman from AD ended, for a reason not related to the system.  She is a beautiful 32 year old woman and also shared with me the details of her employment and the visits that she had with men relating to the website.  Her income from AD was around $600 per month when she was active.  She removed herself from consideration while we were dating, but the agency still maintained her profile and ‘she’ was online each night.  She never mentioned it, but I assume she was still receiving money while we were dating.  Just for fun, one night, I logged on and talked to this beautiful woman, while she was sleeping in the bed in the other room. 

Each person who succeeded with an AD woman has certain techniques that worked for them.  I will attempt to give the details that allowed me to be successful.  And my exposure to this site was brief, but effective.

1.  Write down details from the first time that you talk to a woman.  Be very specific in asking her where she lives.  For instance, I know Kharkov really well and have a Wikipedia Map that names all of the neighborhoods.  While the questions you ask may be simple, unless details are provided, in the future the Agency Operator can skate and you will never know the difference. 

2.  Move directly into a video conversation with her.  Ask when she is available for video confirmation.  Tell the person that you are concerned about talking to an agency hack and wouldn’t she like to see you anyway.  Say that unless you see her and interact with her in the first week, that you are not interested.  The agency will then attempt to get this girl on the camera and you can make the connection or not.  But you have confirmation that you are talking to her.

3.  I give a sob story about how AD treated me poorly and that there is only one way for a woman to really prove that she wants to be with me.  When she asks, I say talk to me outside of AD.  She will invariably ask how.  I immediately give them my email address.

4.  How do you do this on a site that cancels out websites and email addresses?  It is very simple.  Put each segment of your email address on a single line by itself.  For example:

Barbossa

@

EMAILDOMAIN

.

COM

It works every time.  If a woman cannot find out how to communicate with you after giving you this, give up on her and find someone else.  The last go around, I did this with four women.  I was able to start three email dialogues.

5.  Any woman that has been on the site for a long period of time is almost certainly an agency employee.  The agencies will keep the more successful profiles up indefinitely, milking them for thousands of dollars a month.  Moreover, the women get used to the income (albeit small) coming from the profiles being used and support it.  I know of one situation where the woman, after finding a man, asked repeatedly to have the profile taken down.   The agency’s response?  You found your husband through our efforts. Allow us to make some money, now, as compensation for your success.

6.  In contrast to the older ID numbers, there are a number of newer ID numbers that are better prospects for dating.  These women, presumably, have not been converted by the money and, therefore, are more agreeable and less jaded in their search for a mate.

I have now found two women, in a relatively short period of time that wish to date me and have invited me to contact them outside of the agency.  The first was unsuccessful because of differences not related to dating and certainly not because of compatibility.  The second I will meet in April and I will go from there.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 28, 2013, 10:21:21 PM
Barbossa, has written eloquently of the pitfalls and possibilities.   tiphat

I would add one thing to "increase" your chances, avoid the profiles that are expensieve to read a letter from or who have a large amount of friends.

The two women I met from AD were in fact low priced women (per letter) that were new "members". After two messages we were in direct contact and moved from Skype to meeting directly.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on March 29, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
   

Here is one of the things I discovered:  AmoLatina, the sister site of AD, has (or had) a direct offer of compensation to women to talk to men on the site.  The offer was something like “get paid to chat with men, and, who knows, you may find the love of your life”.  That is my poor Spanish translation.  I am sure others can do better as I am not a linguist.




Send it to me. I'll be more than happy to give you the exact meaning.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 08:23:43 AM
   

Here is one of the things I discovered:  AmoLatina, the sister site of AD, has (or had) a direct offer of compensation to women to talk to men on the site.  The offer was something like “get paid to chat with men, and, who knows, you may find the love of your life”.  That is my poor Spanish translation.  I am sure others can do better as I am not a linguist.




Send it to me. I'll be more than happy to give you the exact meaning.

La misma mierda Muzh. Pura tonteria el sitio.

http://www.amolatinasagency.com/es/business.aspx

Link on how to become an affiliate agency for them and make money.

Para elegir el tamaño de la oficina tengan en cuenta la cantidad de traductores que tendrá.
TO choose the size of the office you have to keep in mind the number of "translators" you will have. - Hmm, why do the translators all need to be in the office?

Es mejor contratar a traductores tomando en cuenta la edad de las damas con las que van a trabajar,
It is better to contract tranlators taking into account the age of the women with whom they will work - hint, hint, use young women.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 08:40:41 AM
And step by step instructions with screenshots on how to run an agency in Spanish

http://data7.blog.de/media/056/6533056_11c7ac3a62_d.pdf
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Odessarents on March 29, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
Barbossa, has written eloquently of the pitfalls and possibilities.   tiphat

I would add one thing to "increase" your chances, avoid the profiles that are expensieve to read a letter from or who have a large amount of friends.

The two women I met from AD were in fact low priced women (per letter) that were new "members". After two messages we were in direct contact and moved from Skype to meeting directly.


Anastastiadate has one rate for opening  girls letters , First international is the company with the more popular the lady the more credits it costs to open
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 29, 2013, 10:13:42 AM
It was a couple years back, perhaps 5, but I thought both Anastasia and 1st International had the same ownership and in this time were mirror sites.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Odessarents on March 29, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
MissAmeno, with respect, it does not matter if a bloke even owns a passport, it is about the ability to understand what one sees from ALL sources.

While I DO think that Jay is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement I am certain that women are getting paid for chatting with blokes on web cams. It ain't in doubt. ...

Andrew, I am just curious how much he is exaggerating for effect and self aggrandizement  :biggrin:
Would I really be that much of the mark suspecting he actually visited Ukraine only once or not at all and all his aggrandizement founded on his keyboard detective agency?  :evilgrin0002:


How much would andrew exaggerate his speculation to appear *right*?
 What about looking at Andrews passport or trips to an agency affiliate?
or a chat center in ukraine perhaps?
no ,that wouldnt give any credibility at all would it?
He just *knows* and all should bow down to his superior ability to read the internet, or
the inner workings and business practices, of businesses he isn't involved with.
(or at least claims not to be)

Wait, maybe if he dated someone from Anastasia affiliates?
nope hasn't done that .
Maybe if well maybe if he actually logged onto such sites and had done some due diligence,
 researched where the chat invites come from, the times of day in ukraine etc?
nope he hasnt done that either.

but expresses he knows more than anyone else here on the subject.
is that odd, or just omniscient?


You're both welcome to my passport, do you question sashas? my wifes? his wifes?

oh right'o.. first hand experience working in an agency wouldn't mean anything, Andrew would know more. 
but of course who would think differently?
of course an intellectual from Tallin knows more about the extent of agency affiliate shanningans in Ukraine.. than someone who has worked for them.
 
How silly of us neandrathals to give any credence to anyone else.

It is amusing as hell when a UK man from Tallin, can extrapolate mostly from thin air the facts,
far  better than those Ukrainians who have worked in the affiliate agencies and know the extent of things far better than  Andrew could ever hope to.

Andrew doesnt even know with any certainty, that any car was ever given away in Ukraine..
certainly doesn't know if anyone legitimate , that was not associated with a manager etc.
Yet bases a great deal of his argument on the *fact* agencies have promotions..
dodgy math be any stretch of the imagination.

Yes everything that is  on a website related top MOB and Ukraine is legit..
especially promotions..for the MOB ladies
hahahahahahahahahaha
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
please i've got a stitch in my side, let me rest Andrew.

Really mate, I havnt laughed this hard since your *findings* of nothing,  at the home office of HRB, the MOB is dead ebook, and Planet Love  coming into play.

Good stuff. I'm greatly amused , keep it up.
I  live in Odessa and I see the cars all the time that where given away ,  THEY ARE NOT RETURNED TO ANY DEALERSHIP THEY ARE GIVEN TO THE LADIES ,  One street over from my house the first car they gave away is parked as the girl that won it lives in my neighborhood , the cars had signs painted on them saying anastiadate,  Now the streets are full of ads showing the latest lady that one the Mercedes and I have seen it 2 or 3 times this week and that lady was driving it,
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
AJ, if you want to claim that your exagerations for effect are true can you suggest to me reasons why Anastasia, who we understand to pay some women would have a promotion giving away cars to their female clients for doing that for which you tell us they are hugely well paid already?

Why would they advertise the promotion on a public facing site as part of a recruitment drive?

Why would AnastasiaDate bother to pay everyone on their books when almost none of them will ever even get contact from male clients?

If you are going to exaggerate for effect then think before you do so, dream up a credible story. Or, more simply stick to the truth and tell us that you have come across one or two people who claim to know people who were paid at some point in the recent past.

While you are at it maybe you can tell us how you know that another large agency has reversed by 180 degrees its publically stated policy in respect of their business activities.

AJ I do not have to follow in your footsteps to understand that while you may think you have seen a specific case or two that this does not describe the generality of a phenomenon of which you have seen only a very tiny part. In general it is poor thinking to extrapolate from a specific case to the general - the other way round tends to work better. ;)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Odessarents on March 29, 2013, 10:56:21 AM
It was a couple years back, perhaps 5, but I thought both Anastasia and 1st International had the same ownership and in this time were mirror sites.

No they are 2 different companies

first international has over 100 sites flooting the internet with the same data base and they in Chicago suburb at 429 B Weber Road #288 Romeoville, IL 60446 USA. and anastastiadate is based in maine


You can find alot of ladies on both sites until  anastastia finds out the ladies are on other sites then they threaten the lady or there agency they will not be paid if they do not remove the lady from all the  other site's , 3 years ago anstastia started the black mailing of agencies with e-mails telling them they had to remove all ladies from other websites or they would not be paid , the list of agencies encluded 1st international  and HRB aka ROMANTIC TOURS, INC., but they started legal action right away on anastastia

http://fl.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110214_0000372.MFL.htm/qx (http://fl.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110214_0000372.MFL.htm/qx)

excerpt of the court filing

Beginning in April, 2010, Anastasia delivered a notice to each agency retained by Anastasia. The notices originated from "top-dates.com," a domain name owned by Sykes. Each notice stated that Anastasia would withhold the payment of commissions that Anastasia owed the agency until the agency ceased business with competing web sites, including the web sites owned by Romantic Tours. Specifically, Anastasia required that the agency not allow a woman who appeared on Anastasia's web site to appear on Romantic Tours' web sites. Each notice included a list of women and demanded the women's removal from the web sites. The notice forced the agency to either terminate Romantic Tours or forfeit the agency's commissions. Anastasia told each agency that complained that "there would be no compromises."
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on March 29, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
   

Here is one of the things I discovered:  AmoLatina, the sister site of AD, has (or had) a direct offer of compensation to women to talk to men on the site.  The offer was something like “get paid to chat with men, and, who knows, you may find the love of your life”.  That is my poor Spanish translation.  I am sure others can do better as I am not a linguist.




Send it to me. I'll be more than happy to give you the exact meaning.

La misma mierda Muzh. Pura tonteria el sitio.


LMAO

Thanks bud.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2013, 11:19:58 AM
Yeah, they took those actions, HRB shot back, the full document is here: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flmdce/8:2010cv02321/250577/26
Anastasia went for a dismissal, reading it as a non-lawyer they were on a wing and a prayer with their argument and the motion was denied.

Looks like a year later they both wanted to end the case so nothing has happened since (apart from an alternative form of settlement not adjudicated by the court) unless anyone knows differently: case number: 11-mc-80267-LHK

Oh, they gotta famous judge: Lucy Koh the judge in the Apple Samsung case.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
AJ, if you want to claim that your exagerations for effect are true can you suggest to me reasons why Anastasia, who we understand to pay some women would have a promotion giving away cars to their female clients for doing that for which you tell us they are hugely well paid already?

Why would they advertise the promotion on a public facing site as part of a recruitment drive?

Incentive for top women to join the site and bring in more money?

Why would AnastasiaDate bother to pay everyone on their books when almost none of them will ever even get contact from male clients?

If you are going to exaggerate for effect then think before you do so, dream up a credible story. Or, more simply stick to the truth and tell us that you have come across one or two people who claim to know people who were paid at some point in the recent past.

AJ I do not have to follow in your footsteps to understand that while you may think you have seen a specific case or two that this does not describe the generality of a phenomenon of which you have seen only a very tiny part. In general it is poor thinking to extrapolate from a specific case to the general - the other way round tends to work better. ;)

I thought AJ had done a pretty good job closing the case on this up thread. For shits and giggles we can keep going? The pdf I posted makes it all pretty obvious even if you do not speak Spanish. Here's a  bit of it translated.

Page 9 item #3
La dama esté familiarizada con los requisitos para la correspondencia, que figuran en las Reglas
de Trabajo (Work Rules).

The woman is familiar with the requirements for correspondence according to the rules of employment.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2013, 12:19:53 PM
Sashathecat, the page you linked to is about setting up an office for translators. Go read it.

You will see that they make reference to the number of female clients with whom each translator works: 10-20
You will see that there is no reference to the requirements for video streaming or even for computers.

It makes perfect sense to have translators who are of similar age to the women who they work with - it enables them to write and think in the same terms as the female clients. A few years ago I used to do academic proof reading for nonnative English writers, not very similar except in this: in order to do the job one had to understand the topics being discussed in the papers, it is the same for translating, one has to get into the headspace.

By the way, for those of you having fantasies about huge amounts of money take a look at the testimonials where you will see an agent claiming to be one of the leading agencies is happy to have a revenue of around $5000 derived from  a translating team of around 30 women.

If you are going to try to make a point at least read the bloody document before posting about it. :(

We may understand from other sources that emails get written on behalf of female clients, I know that some women in some agencies in Ulraine get paid to chat with male clients but there is nothing in this document that is untoward or unreasonable in respect of running an email boiler room. (OK there is one, they suggest it is not necesary to register as a business - probably not the most correct advice but I don't know much about South American busienss law. )
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 12:45:38 PM
Sashathecat, the page you linked to is about setting up an office for translators. Go read it.

If you are going to try to make a point at least read the bloody document before posting about it. :(

Correct, and in most cases the "operators" are the same women or the "operators" are using the women's profiles to correspond and chat. I read the entire pdf and am fluent in the language.

It makes perfect sense to have translators who are of similar age to the women who they work with - it enables them to write and think in the same terms as the female clients.

Point taken, I was wrong on this one. It does make perfect sense and I agree. (See how easy that was?)

By the way, for those of you having fantasies about huge amounts of money take a look at the testimonials where you will see an agent claiming to be one of the leading agencies is happy to have a revenue of around $5000 derived from  a translating team of around 30 women.

At the agency my wife worked for one woman could bring in 5k a month Andrew. The woman would maybe get a cut of around $200-$500 monthly from this.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on March 29, 2013, 01:07:36 PM

I thought AJ had done a pretty good job closing the case on this up thread. For shits and giggles we can keep going? The pdf I posted makes it all pretty obvious even if you do not speak Spanish. Here's a  bit of it translated.

Page 9 item #3
La dama esté familiarizada con los requisitos para la correspondencia, que figuran en las Reglas
de Trabajo (Work Rules).

The woman is familiar with the requirements for correspondence according to the rules of employment.

No hombre, eso no es es lo que dice.

Sasha, what the guy refers to the "Work Rules" apply to the owner of the agency and his employees, not the ladies.

Okay, go to page 8 and on the screen shot it tells you (the owner and/or employees) in Portuguese and in Spanish below (unfortunately half of the message in Spanish) that according to section 2.7 of the Rules of Work that if 'you' cannot find the girl through a phone call within two days, to send her a post card and to get back to 'you' within 3 days. Unfortunately, there's more to the message but it is hidden.

I read through most of the 60 something pages and I really did not get the impression that they are telling the owner to recruit girls for scamming the guys. The scam is up to the owner. But they reiterate that they can make money 'honestly' by letting human nature take its course.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 01:55:38 PM

I thought AJ had done a pretty good job closing the case on this up thread. For shits and giggles we can keep going? The pdf I posted makes it all pretty obvious even if you do not speak Spanish. Here's a  bit of it translated.

Page 9 item #3
La dama esté familiarizada con los requisitos para la correspondencia, que figuran en las Reglas
de Trabajo (Work Rules).

The woman is familiar with the requirements for correspondence according to the rules of employment.

No hombre, eso no es es lo que dice.

Sasha, what the guy refers to the "Work Rules" apply to the owner of the agency and his employees, not the ladies.

One and the same in most cases. Good looking women who are 20-30 years old with degrees in philology, business, etc who speak English well enough to make extra money.

I read through most of the 60 something pages and I really did not get the impression that they are telling the owner to recruit girls for scamming the guys. The scam is up to the owner. But they reiterate that they can make money 'honestly' by letting human nature take its course.

They don't flat out tell them to rob foreigners of course. The letter coaching seems like a legitimate thing for a business to do? Forcing the women to reply to a letter within x days or get fined? Maybe it's just me but it all looks pretty apparent they at least provide an amazing toolset to scam and make sure to look the other way as the revenue rolls in.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 02:51:20 PM
I  live in Odessa and I see the cars all the time that where given away ,  THEY ARE NOT RETURNED TO ANY DEALERSHIP THEY ARE GIVEN TO THE LADIES ,  One street over from my house the first car they gave away is parked as the girl that won it lives in my neighborhood , the cars had signs painted on them saying anastiadate,  Now the streets are full of ads showing the latest lady that one the Mercedes and I have seen it 2 or 3 times this week and that lady was driving it,

Yes, wife says a woman in her agency won the Ford and kept it. She was good friends with the agency owner as AJ implies.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 29, 2013, 03:36:47 PM
AJ, if you want to claim that your exagerations for effect are true can you suggest to me reasons why Anastasia, who we understand to pay some women would have a promotion giving away cars to their female clients for doing that for which you tell us they are hugely well paid already?
What am i exaggeratingAndrew? define it please?

You stating i exaggerate is merely more Andrewfi speculation.you have zero evidence to the contrary. Your chief point from afar being a promotion, in ukraine. lol
When you can show any credible proof a car was ever given away?
How about simply a promotion to get more women to sign up initially?
The fact they pay chat girls ,would not keep them from having additional promotions,
I get a salary Andrew, I have  lots of bonus opportunities as well.
My company even advertises those when hiring.
you really arnt generally this daft.

Quote
Why would they advertise the promotion on a public facing site as part of a recruitment drive?
Why not? Many companies do when hiring.
They need fresh profiles,more photo shoots,,
 they may even actually need more chat women ,or women  to answer the ghosted profiles.
Quote
Why would AnastasiaDate bother to pay everyone on their books when almost none of them will ever even get contact from male clients?
Misdirect by you with misinformation. nice try,
I never said they paid everyone.
Please quote me if so.
I stared the vid chat girls are paid.period.
You foolishly contested it, and assure us one agency, to the best of your knowledge, doesnt pay the vid chat women.
THEN you recanted a bit,  :D and stated some women are paid and you've known that for years.(now i'l be nice, and assume here that you surely dint mean that the one agency ,anastasia, you stated doesnt pay, doesnt pay even some,but we both know thats laughable, so i just have to say your daft.)

I notice you dint answer my question on how Anastasia gets  to rake in the money from the men paying for video chat, all with out compensating the affiliates?
it makes sense to you andrew?
yes or no questions , i know you hate those.

Andrew, you already stated Anastasia doesn't pay anyone to vid chat ,to the best of your knowledge,
The best of your knowledge is already quite suspect.
but you care to say i exaggerate  statistics that you have no evidence of being different than what is directly stated by the workers at the affiliates.
 :laugh:

Anyway, we both know there are hundreds of thousands of profiles.
They certainly dont pay everyone, that has a profile.
I never stated that,you tried to introduce that as a misdirect.

I said, quite clearly,  that the affiliates pay the majority of women who would invite you
to vid chat.You know the pop ups made into the software?
For the 5th or 6th?  time i'l ask the basic question you keep avoiding like the plague,

Do you , Andrewfi,  to the best of your knowledge,  think the majority of women in the pop ups inviting men to chat are not paid?

Quote
If you are going to exaggerate for effect then think before you do so, dream up a credible story. Or, more simply stick to the truth and tell us that you have come across one or two people who claim to know people who were paid at some point in the recent past.

And if you want to act the pompous jerk, you're doing great at it.
I'm sure its due to lots of practice.
I was playing nice, if you want to act condescending ,
then we will both take the gloves off  ok?

a credible story? Are you drinking Andrew?
Why would vid chat girl being paid ,not be credible?
please elaborate.

Then please name one credible source you have?that they are not.   one please.
Reminder: interpreting a business promotion to fit your view is not a credible source.
A promotion that could be valid ,but have other uses? or one thats simply smoke and mirrors? it is ukraine!
Find that vid chat chick with that  Mercedes Andrew, find her.
then we will talk. then you'll have ONE credible  source,
isnt that what you've accused me of?
yet you still have none?
:laugh:

I dint dream up anything up and have no reason to.
I have been going to Ukraine, for about 15 years.
I know several affiliate managers, many interpreters, many vid chat women
You know none. great credibility there and a dine place to come off as condescending to me.  :laugh:
Lets get back to the basics? you stated that to the best of your knowledge(really now, where did you base anything off?) that Anastasia, (one agency) does not pay vid chat girls.
Yet in another post admitted know some girls are paid.

You never answered me, what due diligence have you done?
any?
How many of the 7 per minute pop ups on ANastasia , are from women who arnt paid?
Any number andrew.. from 1 to 100 %.
lets hear it?
I have done my due diligence, i have a pretty good grasp despite you thinking otherwise..

Quote
describe the generality of a phenomenon of which you have seen only a very tiny part.
i have seen a tiny part?  :laugh: :laugh:
what have YOU seen first hand andrew ? or even from afar? a promotion?  :laugh:
Why do i need to remind you, of all people, that you havn't seen ANY portion of it in country. at an affiliate agency.
how do you possible propose that you know much of anything about it?

Quote
In general it is poor thinking to extrapolate from a specific case to the general - the other way round tends to work better. ;)
In general its incredibly poor thinking for a man with zero credible insight on a subject,
to challenge someone who has looked into this for years.
How many cases do i know about Andrew?
 The truth is , you  have absolutely no idea.
So why go there?
Want to challenge my credibility? my wifes? Sasha? Sahasa wife?
Yes of course YOU know better sitting in Tallin,
 The rest of us are too dense to see the big picture.
The amount of information i have on the subject far exceeds yours,
that is very easy to out distance.
I wouldnt even comment on this topic if i was as ill informed as you Andrew.
I'd be enbarrassed to, I'd have thought  you'd know better.
Can you even admit that its a possibilty, that the women who invite men to chat on Anastasia,  are all paid,  there is actually no good reason they wouldn't be!
 and that the affiliate program is far more extensive than you might know about from your remote viewing thru the internet connection in Tallin?
 Pompous suits you. you wear it quite well.

One thing that has seldom if ever,  been questioned of me, on many years on any forum is my credibility.
You are basing your *belief* on the fact there are a lot of profiles,
or some random promotion or three.
 Andrew that has nothing at all to do with the group of women on video chat.
That group is paid.
You think you are the only one who can see the big picture,(God complex anyone?)
 and its hysterical because you can't even see the basics of how that part of the business works.
You really believe it works off women in ukraine inviting men to video chat for free?
(while the men pay per minute)
ok you wizard of industry, you are really on the ball on this one..
 :laugh:

It was about an average of 7 per minute chat invite pop ups andrew, , 7 per minute.
work it out 
common, think man THINK.
7 per minute women are up at all hours ,all over ukraine , to chat for free by youir presumotio9n.
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
.

yet you want to dispute what i know, as fact, because they have had a promotion for a car.
 :laugh:
Your thinking is terribly flawed.
senility setting in?

Get back to me on how the affiliates are,or are  not compensated , by Anastasia.
or admit you are clueless on this subject .
I'm prepared to  send a physician to remove your  other foot from your mouth ,
if you want to continue this, as  its sure to be stuck there soon.
I thought the taste of one would be enough.

but please andrewfi, carry on.carry on!!
With telling me how little i know about the big picture of how the underbelly of the MOB agencies operate, all from your superior and credible pulpit.

I mean as a simple minded neandrathal, i couldnt possible work such a complex business model out.
Why I'd probably need to visit the home office of HRB in Florida, to truly uninderstand that vid chat girls generally arnt paid to vid chat.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 29, 2013, 03:43:15 PM
I  live in Odessa and I see the cars all the time that where given away ,  THEY ARE NOT RETURNED TO ANY DEALERSHIP THEY ARE GIVEN TO THE LADIES ,  One street over from my house the first car they gave away is parked as the girl that won it lives in my neighborhood , the cars had signs painted on them saying anastiadate,  Now the streets are full of ads showing the latest lady that one the Mercedes and I have seen it 2 or 3 times this week and that lady was driving it,

Yes, wife says a woman in her agency won the Ford and kept it. She was good friends with the agency owner as AJ implies.

Oh Dear Lord no Sasha!!
 Don't clue andrew in on how things actually  work at affiliates in Ukraine,
he somehow , perhaps through osmosis,  knows how it all works.
He visited HRB in Florida!! dont you know?
 
The Ukrainian women that are members could tell Andrew, but are too busy ignoring this as so foolish to even discuss(as its too obvious) or laughing at his naivety.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 29, 2013, 03:49:29 PM
I should apologize that the women are paid to chat,
despite the fact they could do so for free, but have a chance to win a car instead..
 :laugh:
Sorry most take the salary..its much more consistant than random promotions..
and you don't have to be so cozy with the manager.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 29, 2013, 04:00:44 PM
I said, quite clearly,  that the affiliates pay the majority of women who would invite you
to vid chat.You know the pop ups made into the software?

Do you mean the pop ups where the women must have at least 40 men selected in the interface before it can work?

Para enviar invitaciones a un hombre, debe hacer click en al menos 40
hombres que estén en la lista de la izquierda

And the key to this is to send 40 chat requests per woman per hour? Sounds like normal dating to me. Good looking women usually try to chat up hundreds of men per day so they can meet someone special, right?

La dama puede enviarla nuevamente al mismo hombre o a otro. El punto principal es enviar 40 invitaciones en 1 hora.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on March 29, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
AJ, if you want to claim that your exagerations for effect are true can you suggest to me reasons why Anastasia, who we understand to pay some women would have a promotion giving away cars to their female clients for doing that for which you tell us they are hugely well paid already?
What am i exaggeratingAndrew? define it please?

You stating i exaggerate is merely more Andrewfi speculation.you have zero evidence to the contrary. Your chief point from afar being a promotion, in ukraine. lol
When you can show any credible proof a car was ever given away?
How about simply a promotion to get more women to sign up initially?
The fact they pay chat girls ,would not keep them from having additional promotions,
I get a salary Andrew, I have  lots of bonus opportunities as well.
My company even advertises those when hiring.
you really arnt generally this daft.

Quote
Why would they advertise the promotion on a public facing site as part of a recruitment drive?
Why not? Many companies do when hiring.
They need fresh profiles,more photo shoots,,
 they may even actually need more chat women ,or women  to answer the ghosted profiles.
Quote
Why would AnastasiaDate bother to pay everyone on their books when almost none of them will ever even get contact from male clients?
Misdirect by you with misinformation. nice try,
I never said they paid everyone.
Please quote me if so.
I stared the vid chat girls are paid.period.
You foolishly contested it, and assure us one agency, to the best of your knowledge, doesnt pay the vid chat women.
THEN you recanted a bit,  :D and stated some women are paid and you've known that for years.(now i'l be nice, and assume here that you surely dint mean that the one agency ,anastasia, you stated doesnt pay, doesnt pay even some,but we both know thats laughable, so i just have to say your daft.)

I notice you dint answer my question on how Anastasia gets  to rake in the money from the men paying for video chat, all with out compensating the affiliates?
it makes sense to you andrew?
yes or no questions , i know you hate those.

Andrew, you already stated Anastasia doesn't pay anyone to vid chat ,to the best of your knowledge,
The best of your knowledge is already quite suspect.
but you care to say i exaggerate  statistics that you have no evidence of being different than what is directly stated by the workers at the affiliates.
 :laugh:

Anyway, we both know there are hundreds of thousands of profiles.
They certainly dont pay everyone, that has a profile.
I never stated that,you tried to introduce that as a misdirect.

I said, quite clearly,  that the affiliates pay the majority of women who would invite you
to vid chat.You know the pop ups made into the software?
For the 5th or 6th?  time i'l ask the basic question you keep avoiding like the plague,

Do you , Andrewfi,  to the best of your knowledge,  think the majority of women in the pop ups inviting men to chat are not paid?

Quote
If you are going to exaggerate for effect then think before you do so, dream up a credible story. Or, more simply stick to the truth and tell us that you have come across one or two people who claim to know people who were paid at some point in the recent past.

And if you want to act the pompous jerk, you're doing great at it.
I'm sure its due to lots of practice.
I was playing nice, if you want to act condescending ,
then we will both take the gloves off  ok?

a credible story? Are you drinking Andrew?
Why would vid chat girl being paid ,not be credible?
please elaborate.

Then please name one credible source you have?that they are not.   one please.
Reminder: interpreting a business promotion to fit your view is not a credible source.
A promotion that could be valid ,but have other uses? or one thats simply smoke and mirrors? it is ukraine!
Find that vid chat chick with that  Mercedes Andrew, find her.
then we will talk. then you'll have ONE credible  source,
isnt that what you've accused me of?
yet you still have none?
:laugh:

I dint dream up anything up and have no reason to.
I have been going to Ukraine, for about 15 years.
I know several affiliate managers, many interpreters, many vid chat women
You know none. great credibility there and a dine place to come off as condescending to me.  :laugh:
Lets get back to the basics? you stated that to the best of your knowledge(really now, where did you base anything off?) that Anastasia, (one agency) does not pay vid chat girls.
Yet in another post admitted know some girls are paid.

You never answered me, what due diligence have you done?
any?
How many of the 7 per minute pop ups on ANastasia , are from women who arnt paid?
Any number andrew.. from 1 to 100 %.
lets hear it?
I have done my due diligence, i have a pretty good grasp despite you thinking otherwise..

Quote
describe the generality of a phenomenon of which you have seen only a very tiny part.
i have seen a tiny part?  :laugh: :laugh:
what have YOU seen first hand andrew ? or even from afar? a promotion?  :laugh:
Why do i need to remind you, of all people, that you havn't seen ANY portion of it in country. at an affiliate agency.
how do you possible propose that you know much of anything about it?

Quote
In general it is poor thinking to extrapolate from a specific case to the general - the other way round tends to work better. ;)
In general its incredibly poor thinking for a man with zero credible insight on a subject,
to challenge someone who has looked into this for years.
How many cases do i know about Andrew?
 The truth is , you  have absolutely no idea.
So why go there?
Want to challenge my credibility? my wifes? Sasha? Sahasa wife?
Yes of course YOU know better sitting in Tallin,
 The rest of us are too dense to see the big picture.
The amount of information i have on the subject far exceeds yours,
that is very easy to out distance.
I wouldnt even comment on this topic if i was as ill informed as you Andrew.
I'd be enbarrassed to, I'd have thought  you'd know better.
Can you even admit that its a possibilty, that the women who invite men to chat on Anastasia,  are all paid,  there is actually no good reason they wouldn't be!
 and that the affiliate program is far more extensive than you might know about from your remote viewing thru the internet connection in Tallin?
 Pompous suits you. you wear it quite well.

One thing that has seldom if ever,  been questioned of me, on many years on any forum is my credibility.
You are basing your *belief* on the fact there are a lot of profiles,
or some random promotion or three.
 Andrew that has nothing at all to do with the group of women on video chat.
That group is paid.
You think you are the only one who can see the big picture,(God complex anyone?)
 and its hysterical because you can't even see the basics of how that part of the business works.
You really believe it works off women in ukraine inviting men to video chat for free?
(while the men pay per minute)
ok you wizard of industry, you are really on the ball on this one..
 :laugh:

It was about an average of 7 per minute chat invite pop ups andrew, , 7 per minute.
work it out 
common, think man THINK.
7 per minute women are up at all hours ,all over ukraine , to chat for free by youir presumotio9n.
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
.

yet you want to dispute what i know, as fact, because they have had a promotion for a car.
 :laugh:
Your thinking is terribly flawed.
senility setting in?

Get back to me on how the affiliates are,or are  not compensated , by Anastasia.
or admit you are clueless on this subject .
I'm prepared to  send a physician to remove your  other foot from your mouth ,
if you want to continue this, as  its sure to be stuck there soon.
I thought the taste of one would be enough.

but please andrewfi, carry on.carry on!!
With telling me how little i know about the big picture of how the underbelly of the MOB agencies operate, all from your superior and credible pulpit.

I mean as a simple minded neandrathal, i couldnt possible work such a complex business model out.
Why I'd probably need to visit the home office of HRB in Florida, to truly uninderstand that vid chat girls generally arnt paid to vid chat.
 :laugh:

I only got about 3/4 of the way through that lot............

I am glad I went to Russia and met a normal woman who wasn't part of this complicated 'industry'. 

Yet men still flock to Ukraine like lemmings rather than Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan where all this "agency" and other funny stuff either never started or finished years ago.

All this funny stuff is *only* in Ukraine now. If men stopped flocking there like sheep we would have fewer of these topics.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on March 29, 2013, 05:19:39 PM
"Why would Anastasia have a promotion giving away cars to their video chatter girls when they get well-paid anyway ?"

I'd guess for the same reasons direct sales companies give away expensive cars and exotic holidays to their most productive salesmen ?

And yes,those direct sales companies often advertise their special promotions in their recruitment drives.

I've worked in direct sales and canvassing and i've won holidays and other goodies.

Presumably,these video chat girls salaries are commission-based,as are direct salesmen,so the thought of winning that Merc gives them an even greater incentive to chat longer hours,as well as the extra money they'll be earning,as in the same way it makes direct salesmen work that bit harder.

It isn't rocket science.

As an aside,personally i've never been convinced by the earnings levels quoted for these video chat girls,although i'm sure they do all get paid.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on March 29, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
Manny,

           there are video chat girls operating out of Saratov,Russia,although not to the same extent as in Ukraine.

I agree with your comment about lemmings flocking to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 29, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
I said, quite clearly,  that the affiliates pay the majority of women who would invite you
to vid chat.You know the pop ups made into the software?

Do you mean the pop ups where the women must have at least 40 men selected in the interface before it can work?

Para enviar invitaciones a un hombre, debe hacer click en al menos 40
hombres que estén en la lista de la izquierda

And the key to this is to send 40 chat requests per woman per hour? Sounds like normal dating to me. Good looking women usually try to chat up hundreds of men per day so they can meet someone special, right?

La dama puede enviarla nuevamente al mismo hombre o a otro. El punto principal es enviar 40 invitaciones en 1 hora.

Stop bringing any reality into this sasha, it isnt allowed
the wizard of Oz has already decreed what is real and was is not.

The yellow brick road leads to Tallin.
 ;D
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 29, 2013, 06:10:17 PM
Manny agreed.

It's exactly why i'd like my direct experience to not be watered down by mere musings of
andrew the great,  on this subject.
It is a disservice to readers.

Andrew has no idea what percent are paid to vid chat, versus ones that arnt.
So the  blokes reading here ,with no experience
should know andrew has zero experiences in the matter.
and  can take his musings accordingly,

Anyone from those major sites, inviting a bloke to vid chat , is far more likely paid to do so, than not.
Its a simple enough concept.

Andrews silly watering down  of this message , and flopping about around it,
seems driven by pride, or vested interest.

It is rather interesting he would even claim to know much about it,much less any real percentages  don't you think?
Maybe we should delve back into the depths of his home office visit? no?
 :chuckle:

He also hates to concede even a single point in any debate, and has a rather distinct  style of retaliating..twisting..yet avoiding the key point.
So it continues.
 :laugh:


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on March 29, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Manny,

Krasnodar is the fifth largest market for Anastasia Date.  Last time I looked, it is in Russia.  And I believe that Sparky might wind up rubbing elbows with some AD girls over near Rostov.  It is not, by any means, restricted to Ukraine.  Although the first four markets are certainly Ukrainian markets.  I believe, to order the size of the AD markets, it would be:

1.  Odessa
2.  Kharkov
3.  Kiev
4.  Mikolaev
5.  Krasnodar

(Kherson and Poltava also have significant pockets of activity.   While Belarus restricts the formation of Agencies for the MOB industry, there is a small pocket of Minsk women serviced by the Kiev AD agencies.)

This company continues to grow as it continues to force out competition.  Bride.ru used to populate Krasnodar but AD is pushing them out.   

One of the women mentioned in the previous post was from Krasnodar.  Her understanding of the system was not as sophisticated as the women from Kharkov and Mikolaev.  She had no access to a webcam and the agency she went through was all the way across the city so she never participated in video chat.  She became frustrated with me as she had trouble loading Skype on her computer and our relations broke down.  We still communicate as friends through email. 

I have compared notes, previously, to both Sasha and AJ.  I learned much from both of these men (and, indirectly, their wives).  It was of great assistance in popping the bubble that AD throws around it's women.  Even if the women were not getting paid, it is a difficult nut to crack. 

But I believe that the question of payment vs. non-payment to women is significant as it goes directly to motive.  What would motivate a woman to be on an MOB site?  We know now of four women, three on this forum and one on the other forum, all who were receiving some type of compensation for being on this MOB offering.  The men who were successful in 'cracking the nut' to get at the meat inside the shell are valuable to RUA.  I would not have had my success without their continued coaching.

I have not heard of anyone who was successful with a woman from this large entity called Anastasia Date where the women was not receiving some type of compensation.  If someone knows of anyone, please come forward.

When dealing with MOB sites, no one really wants to read 'gotcha' type rhetoric that pokes at the edges of the issues.  I believe that the great number of readers want to know how to interact with a site to have possible success in meeting women and beginning a relationship.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
Barbosa,
Why use AD at all?  Why not go to Russia, or if going to Ukraine use a different method?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Danchik on March 29, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
I am glad I went to Russia and met a normal woman who wasn't part of this complicated 'industry'. 

Yet men still flock to Ukraine like lemmings rather than Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan where all this "agency" and other funny stuff either never started or finished years ago.

All this funny stuff is *only* in Ukraine now. If men stopped flocking there like sheep we would have fewer of these topics.
You can talk until you blue in the face, but people just don't or won't listen. Nothing new, happens all the time not only in finding a women in the FSU, but life itself.

It IMO is partly selling a dream, and partly Western mentality to look for the best deal at the cheapest price, i.e. they want the prettiest woman and they want it with the least amount of trouble. How many times have you read on all the fora how a man chose Ukraine because it's visa free, as if that was the only criteria to finding a woman?

And we all know that many of these men leave a lot to be desired. 

They also think that the "market' hasn't changed since the late 90's, early 2000's. I know for a fact that Russia is chalk full of women wanting to meet a good man and have a family, even if it means leaving their country if that is what it takes. But, hey, you have to get a visa, and then, God forbid, you have to register it.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Danchik on March 29, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
Manny,

Krasnodar is the fifth largest market for Anastasia Date.  Last time I looked, it is in Russia.  And I believe that Sparky might wind up rubbing elbows with some AD girls over near Rostov.  It is not, by any means, restricted to Ukraine.  Although the first four markets are certainly Ukrainian markets.  I believe, to order the size of the AD markets, it would be:

1.  Odessa
2.  Kharkov
3.  Kiev
4.  Mikolaev
5.  Krasnodar

(Kherson and Poltava also have significant pockets of activity.   While Belarus restricts the formation of Agencies for the MOB industry, there is a small pocket of Minsk women serviced by the Kiev AD agencies.)

This company continues to grow as it continues to force out competition.  Bride.ru used to populate Krasnodar but AD is pushing them out.   

One of the women mentioned in the previous post was from Krasnodar.  Her understanding of the system was not as sophisticated as the women from Kharkov and Mikolaev.  She had no access to a webcam and the agency she went through was all the way across the city so she never participated in video chat.  She became frustrated with me as she had trouble loading Skype on her computer and our relations broke down.  We still communicate as friends through email. 

I have compared notes, previously, to both Sasha and AJ.  I learned much from both of these men (and, indirectly, their wives).  It was of great assistance in popping the bubble that AD throws around it's women.  Even if the women were not getting paid, it is a difficult nut to crack. 

But I believe that the question of payment vs. non-payment to women is significant as it goes directly to motive.  What would motivate a woman to be on an MOB site?  We know now of four women, three on this forum and one on the other forum, all who were receiving some type of compensation for being on this MOB offering.  The men who were successful in 'cracking the nut' to get at the meat inside the shell are valuable to RUA.  I would not have had my success without their continued coaching.

I have not heard of anyone who was successful with a woman from this large entity called Anastasia Date where the women was not receiving some type of compensation.  If someone knows of anyone, please come forward.

When dealing with MOB sites, no one really wants to read 'gotcha' type rhetoric that pokes at the edges of the issues.  I believe that the great number of readers want to know how to interact with a site to have possible success in meeting women and beginning a relationship.


A company that turns a nice profit will always look to expand. Still the majority of MOB agencies and their scams operate in Ukraine.

You're spending time on the ground. There is no better way to start a NORMAL relationship than that. Using agencies should be on the fringe of your radar.

When you have as much opportunity to be there in person as you do, you would be better served venturing out and simply start meeting people. Always worked for me when I was just visiting for a month or two. IOW, I never had a problem meeting prospective dates, and neither should you.

There is simply no better way to start a normal relation than to be on ground for a month or two and go from there. By far, the best way, and no other way is even close.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Manny on March 30, 2013, 12:38:19 AM
I have not heard of anyone who was successful with a woman from this large entity called Anastasia Date where the women was not receiving some type of compensation.

Cdrp here married a normal women off AD. Others have too.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: PBRstreetg on March 30, 2013, 01:12:13 AM
This was covered in it's entirety in an informative chat conversation. Pictures were volunteered regardless of race, color, or creed. RUA remains a nice place where seekers and the lucky share ideas. I, for some reason like that. Ask anybody that knows...   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 30, 2013, 01:25:35 AM
chelseaboy you are right and wrong. Yes promotions maybe although if you believe what some would have you believe the amounts of money being fantasised about would be unlikely to be added to with additional incentives due to the huge numbers of women queuing up to join and get a slice of the pie.

The promotions I have seen and that have been shared here and elsewhere were on public facing sites and quite obviously aimed at normal clients. An employee promotion looks different, has different terms and sure as he'll you don't put it on the front page of a public facing site.

Gents, please think just a little before making stupid claims. Apart from anything else when you do so and people read your twaddle and exaggerations for effect they might give no credence to more truthful stuff that you have to say and might also tend discount more factual warnings along the lines that SOME women MIGHT get paid in SOME cases and that precautions and due diligence are appropriate.

I doubt that anyone who knows much about the business would say that some women don't get paid. We know they do.
Suggesting that the vast majority do as is happening here is just silly and makes no sense from a business perspective.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 30, 2013, 10:49:51 AM
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Gents, please think just a little before making stupid claims. Apart from anything else when you do so and people read your twaddle and exaggerations for effect they might give no credence to more truthful stuff that you have to say and might also tend discount more factual warnings along the lines that SOME women MIGHT get paid in SOME cases and that precautions and due diligence are appropriate.

Dear pompous  gent,
kindly look in the mirror,.
Read your post carefully to yourself, repeat as necessary.
particularly the stupid twaddle bits.
As thats what happens often when blokes talk about topics they have no direct experience with  :chuckle:
Then you can tell me how to properly clear a supercross triple next,
from your studies on the matter.

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I doubt that anyone who knows much about the business would say that some women don't get paid. We know they do.
yeap we know they do,some of us with much more surety than those with zero experience in the matter.

I mean Andrew how do you even know  ,with any surety, that some are paid?
what made you draw that conclusion?
I've done enough due diligence,both in country at agency affiliates, knowing managers and workers,  and being a member of the agencies,  to have a much clearer picture of the percentages
Andrew, what exactly  have you done?
read a website promotion?

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Suggesting that the vast majority do as is happening here is just silly and makes no sense from a business perspective.

The majority that invite men to chat, do get paid.
it is a good business model and hardly silly.
Its actually the only business model capable of reasonably explainingg cause and effect.
if youd bother to be a member of such agencies and do any amount of research at all.
but you cant be bothered to know much about which you pontificate about.

Ok lets get back to basics though.
Since it is fact that the home agency office, makes the money from men who pay to vid chat

Please andrew, elaborate,to the best of your knowledge,
Do the affiliates get  income from the Home agency office ,over the income the home office makes from men paying for vid chat?
yers or no?

Since you admit some vid chat women are compensated,
are the affiliate agencies they work for, compensated by the home office?
 yes or no?
Do the affilates provide this service for free?
yes or no.

andrewfi,  you keep avoiding simple questions.


Now if you contend SOME affiliates pay the girls,
which we know for fact.

Lets take just one city like Odessa, or berdysk, or Mariupol
and see how would that work in the real world?

Girls in one affilate ,in that cioty, are getting paid to vid chat, (by your admission you've known this longer than most of us of course)
yet all the while a few blocks away ,or across town , most other vid chat girls are not
paid.(by your claim) 
 :laugh:

Would word quickly get around?
How quickly would that either change the business practices, of all the affiliates,
. or become a real issue for the various affiliates in a given city?
please apply common sense andrew, i know you are capable.

This is not about all the thousands of profiles like you keep trying to deflect.
This is ,and always has been ,only about the girls, that pop up and invite men to vid chat.

After your reply we will further the discussion what makes  good sense business wise.

We might also look into how much business sense it makes for HRB to have andrew wilson, fly to Florida.

You have no evidence to show that the majority of vid chat girls are not paid,none.
Please make some common sense out of your own statements.

Why would some of the girls  work for free,
when you already admit other women in their same city are being paid, and quite well?

Some would work only for a shot at the promotions you ramble about ?
While their compartroits in arms , ine the same city, get a nice salary ?

You do know the affiliates have the girls log into several interfaces, noty just one agemncy ritght?
You see in busines andrew, that's the most effecient way to make $.

Now if i owned an affiliate, i'd be pretty happy to get a check from Anastasia, HRB as well as DM, all for NOT paying my girls to vid chat. :chuckle:

Andrewfi, when you move to ukraine, open up such a lucrative business model,
and make it work ,without all your non paid vid chat girls all leaving to work at another affiliate that you admit  pays,
THEN  i'll actually give your rather foolish premise some credibility.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 30, 2013, 11:39:16 AM
I have not heard of anyone who was successful with a woman from this large entity called Anastasia Date where the women was not receiving some type of compensation.
Cdrp here married a normal women off AD. Others have too.
Manny for the record,  I have never stated a man couldn't find a women, that wasn't paid  by Anastasia, thru Anastasia. There are hundreds of thousands of profiles.

The bone of contention at the moment,with andrew really the only one flapping his gums otherwise, is whether the majority of the narrow scope of  vid chat girls ,are compensated or not.
 
Only two of us here that i know of have married a vid chat girl, or intepretors for such affiliate agencies, and both were paid, and paid quite well.Those women's  direct experience in the industry means little to Andrew (as it doesn't fit his preconceived notions)
He knows more about the seedy underbelly of affiliate agencies in Ukraine,
than the Ukrainian  women that work ,or worked ,for them, and who have dozens of friends working for them, at various affiliates, and spent time chatting with girls
 all over the Ukraine  that worked for the various affiliates.

There are many reasons why a girl would not admit to being paid, partly because she would not want to lose a good income.
Partly because the affiliates are owned by rather seedy types which could be dangerous if their tale would affect the affiliates income.
Partly because they wouldn't want any potential boyfriend or husband to know,
so its within reason any man marrying them might also never know the real truth.

Yet with all that andrew , who knows nothing for certain  either way, or even if some girls are paid , with any certainty..
somehow knows best, what goes on regularly  in Ukraine affiliate agencies ?

Occums razor deems andrew full of  blini on this one subject.
I look forward to his continued pontification on the topic  though.
 :bow:



Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: bagalia on March 30, 2013, 11:55:22 AM
While realizing that there is and has always been mass corruption in the industry and that at least some of the chat girls are paid, I still see no proof that a majority are paid. Give me proof that a court will accept. Aside from that, you make a compelling argument based on two examples that even paid chat girls were actually looking for husbands.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Larry on March 30, 2013, 12:15:12 PM
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Give me proof that a court will accept. Aside from that, you make a compelling argument based on two examples that even paid chat girls were actually looking for husbands.

That's not feasible, for either side in this debate.  If those on the other side of this debate, those who contend that the agency girls who send guys chat requests are paid for chatting, were to gather sworn affidavits from 50 girls saying they were paid to chat, your side would simply respond there are thousands of girls in the agencies and you've produced evidence that shows only a small percentage of them are paid to chat.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 01:15:13 PM

I doubt that anyone who knows much about the business would say that some women don't get paid. We know they do.


What? What What?
Have you not been denying that they are paid?
Are you now saying you do not know anything about "the business"?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 01:23:56 PM

 

Gents, please think just a little before making stupid claims. Apart from anything else when you do so and people read your twaddle and exaggerations for effect they might give no credence to more truthful stuff that you have to say and might also tend discount more factual warnings along the lines that SOME women MIGHT get paid in SOME cases and that precautions and due diligence are appropriate.

You should know what a stupid assertion is--like your comments on Lugansk previously being made from ignorance and your persistent assertion that you knew best because of what you have read on the internet!!
Now you persist in the denial of girls being paid-- and contradict yourself-- amazing.

I do have a question for you--- in your business or your direct or indirect associations do you have any involvement in writing or drafting  letters or themes for so called "dating websites"?I am specifically referring to letters by girls written to men.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 30, 2013, 01:24:25 PM
While realizing that there is and has always been mass corruption in the industry and that at least some of the chat girls are paid, I still see no proof that a majority are paid. Give me proof that a court will accept. Aside from that, you make a compelling argument based on two examples that even paid chat girls were actually looking for husbands.[/i]

I certainly never stated they were not?
Was never my point.
 Just like any job, some women working can  be approachable and looking for a husband!!
Whether at a flower shop, bank teller ,or what ever occupation.
In fact what better way ,in Ukraine , to look for a foreign husband than to  get paid to spend hours chatting with many?

proof?
sheesh  :chuckle:
What compelling proof does the other side of this debate have the majority are not paid?
Is that an equally relevant concern to you?

Women coming forward and telling exactly how it works, and in all the affiliates
they know of, and have never heard of anything different.Nor  have ANY of their friends..
heard any different,,, is not credible sources  a court would consider?
You live in some odd universe where credible witnesses do not count in the judicial system?
Their direct experience, with managers friends, and in several affiliates,.
 is certainly more  accurate than conjecture from those who never worked for an affiliate in the vids chat scene
This is certainly no court of law,and I'm not trying to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt, but you can bet which side any normal jury would slant given those two options
seriously folks.
 (:)
I actually  had no idea anyone would even question this,its that silly.

Again, if some are paid, which everyone accepts easily as fact.

I'd like to know exactly how people here  arrived at the conclusion that even some
vid chat girls are paid.
why woud they by paid?
how?

The reeasons they feel some are paid, are quite valid.

Then somehow, suddenly,
 after people arrive at a totally normally conclusion that some are paid,

its flipped that the majority of vid chat girls would  not be paid?
that is perhaps the most silly twist of logic possible.

How would it even be possible in the real world of ukraine affiliates?
The affiliates ARE paid, of that there is not even a question.
 So how do some affiliates manage to not pay their vid chat girls, when others
are accepted as doing so as a matter of  course and normal business?

Any of you, that can operate an affiliate in ukranie and not pay your vid chat girls ,
to vid chat will be proof.

I wish each person attempts such a venture very good luck getting the majority of their vid chat girls to work chat for free, and not head off to other affiliates in the same city that do pay.
 :chuckle:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 01:32:03 PM
While realizing that there is and has always been mass corruption in the industry and that at least some of the chat girls are paid, I still see no proof that a majority are paid. Give me proof that a court will accept. Aside from that, you make a compelling argument based on two examples that even paid chat girls were actually looking for husbands.

If it was possible to get the MOB site owners in a US court that was going to achieve something  it would be possible to prove--no problem at all.
AJ alludes to the difficulty of getting girls to admit being paid or to the practices of the agencies above--the reality is that it is very dangerous for any girl to talk about these issues.Even after they have left the FSU it would be dangerous to family and friends.
To point out the obvious ridiculousness of your comments here-- you believe Andrew?
Do you think others are here to make up these comments?that is just to silly to comment on.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 01:39:09 PM
I can say that not all are paid.I can also say that if I was floating a number that I would guess that over 90% of air chat time girls are being paid.
Girls are often naive when they start -but learn soon enough.They may be attracted at first by the chance to win an iphone or ipad or similar-- but few would stay doing it with the rubbish they are  expected to endure from men.
Even after they start getting paid--agencies will try and pay as little as possible-- so the high end numbers floating around are earned by very few.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 01:44:45 PM
In this thread it has come up numerous times so i will attempt to address  this issue--is it possible to meet girls thru the notorious sites.?

Yes-is my answer.Is it easy? No !!

There is no reason a girl being paid cannot also be looking for a guy.What I am certain of is that he will not be too ordinary.It probably rules out 99%plus of men who use these sites.
The net affect  is that you have 2 people searching the haystacks for a needle.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on March 30, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
Ok another fun factoid.
Why are the vid chats, set up exactkly as they are?
it is very specific.

Where the man sees the vid chat girl,but only communicates with her via text .
She cant see him. he can nott HEAR her.

The technology is already there for direct  audio chat,

oh sure, some agencies  do offer that as a upgraded ,more expensive option,
 on some sites ,often by appointment. lol

but the basic vid chat experience on all the sites is
text. and the man only see the girl in the video.
why?

It couldn't possibly be so she can simultaneously be chatting with several chat /text windows open at once could it?
no. :chuckle:
nor could it be she has several big agency interfaces open at the same time..
no !! surely  the affiliates would never do such a useful ,profitable thing as that.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 30, 2013, 05:16:16 PM
While realizing that there is and has always been mass corruption in the industry and that at least some of the chat girls are paid, I still see no proof that a majority are paid. Give me proof that a court will accept. Aside from that, you make a compelling argument based on two examples that even paid chat girls were actually looking for husbands.

What type of proof do we want to start getting into? Direct deposit statements into bank accounts, notarized affidavits from multiple women who worked in agencies connected to AD?  We have at least three men here who have dated or married women from AD affiliate agencies from three different cities who claim the same thing.

Btw,  my wife had a boyfriend at the time and was not looking for someone. I have a feeling the other men met women who not not looking for a foreigner as well.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 30, 2013, 06:21:10 PM
AJ alludes to the difficulty of getting girls to admit being paid or to the practices of the agencies above--the reality is that it is very dangerous for any girl to talk about these issues.Even after they have left the FSU it would be dangerous to family and friends.

Yes, things work a bit differently in Ukraine. My wife has been physically threatened previously.

We might also look into how much business sense it makes for HRB to have andrew wilson, fly to Florida.

Ah, now it begins to make sense...
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: avaition1 on March 30, 2013, 06:35:25 PM
I would have to say Yes.  It is a scam.  I know at least one of the woman on there is a scam. I have know her for two years and have letter she sent to me saying she did not what to work for Ukraine wages anymore.  She is on Nataly.com and that hooks into Anastasia.  After saying this I have found when you meet a woman in FSU you have to treat it  just like when  you meet a woman here.  You have to get to know them and date them.  Nothing happens until you meet.  These sites make money are they would not be there.  You can visit any city in Ukraine and get hold of agency and meet different ladies and cut out Anastasia.  This will save you money.  I would also advice going to Jims site and checking out these different agency's. I was told by a Russian man that maybe 10 percent of the these sites are there to meet a good man. He later told me maybe 5 percent. I have also found to stay within your age.  29 years difference does not work.  Have a great day. I attached a picture that is on Anastasia.  Stay away from this woman.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: bagalia on March 30, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
I understand this is a hot topic for some of you. To a great extent I agree with you. If there is a way to cheat then some agencies will take advantage of it. Some will do so on a small scale and others on a near total scale. Some will say my experience is out of date and that is correct. I got out of all this before it happened but I got out precisely because I could see what was coming within the next two years. I resisted the large corporations who promised large profits yet locked in the affiliates so tight they no longer owned their own business and then instead of making them rich they starved them as corporations do. It was easy to see that the industry was going totally down the drain and since that time I have been on the lists watching it happen. So when advertising promotes paying women to chat it does not surprise me at all. It would never have happened before but this is now.

Now for the part that will get me in trouble.

Having been there I see nothing much different than then. There were several if not many men and women that could prove that agencies were evil. Men would write me starting out saying they do not trust me but... and women would do the same. At the slightest perceived problem they were quick to scream scam and nothing you could say would appease them. I went to great pains to get involved enough to stop scams as they happened and there were not many. I knew other agencies with the same ethics and problems but to the majority of men and women there was no such thing as an honest agency.

And this is why I question anyone who wants to paint a part of the industry with one swipe. You may believe it and I may even believe it but so far I have not seen any proof other than the following:

Agencies are hiring women to chat with men. Lets forget that they also toss in how you can meet men while getting paid. Just getting paid to do this makes it a scam of sorts as long as it is advertised as meeting women interested in marrying a foreign man. But how many agencies are paying and how many women are working it? Each side says the other is not correct because they cannot prove anything and each is correct. You cannot change that. No proof is no proof and you can say you know one or some or even many or your mother told you, they are not here for questioning.

Second, and I apologize to all wives in advance because as sure as little green apples somebody is going to cry out ARE YOU CALLING MY WIFE A LIAR? No, not at all but I do not give any RW more credence than any other person. I  know enough to say that RW are no different than any other when they believe a business is a scam and if you cross one of them they can just as easily scream you into an early grave. They are also just as susceptible to embellishing. While I personally am willing to believe a RW who claims that agencies are scamming via chat I also do not hear that woman speaking here. She is not available for questions fear of retribution or no. I hear a second hand voice say she worked there and knew of others and when you take three who know multiple you end up with the truth of everything. I do not know any person on either side of the pond who knows near everything but I am willing to accept without questioning that there are three women with knowledge of twice as many agencies. Even then it appears they have no idea how many women were actually paid or one of you would have put out a number other than an assumption based on how high paying the job is assumed to be.

Which brings me to the third point. Because there is a job that pays well does not mean all these RW are running to it. My own works for about $100 a month and I once remarked that she could get paid to chat but she would have nothing to do with it. The reality is nobody knows how many women are paid to work at this job. I am not positive but I am not even sure that you know exactly what these women are making other than assumptions which for having insider information seems like not very complete insider information.

I sympathize with you and think maybe you are correct. I personally would not use this service for several reasons including the scam angle. For all I know this part of the industry could be 90% scam but... it could also be 10% scam or some agencies 100% and others not at all. Just as in the past where there were strongly vocal men with wives who worked for scam agencies and they were screaming that ALL agencies were a scam I will refuse to put a percentage on what I have no proof of. Screaming that if you assume A is correct then B must also be correct and surely you would then be stupid not to see C as correct does not fit in my book.

But I would never recommend a man use this service outside maybe an hour. It is unnecessarily expensive with an unknown but possibly high risk of scam. As was said, they should just be going there. And I think this is all I have to say about that. You may continue screaming at me now. I must go to work.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on March 30, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
AJ and Sashathecat,

                             I have to say hats off to you two for managing to get your wives out of that system and making honest women out of them,and it looks like blackknight will soon be joining your ranks.

You must have some game..it's mission impossible for the vast majority of men trying to do that  tiphat
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 30, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
It couldn't possibly be so she can simultaneously be chatting with several chat /text windows open at once could it?

Your rhetorical question speculates about girls juggling multiple chat sessions.

Whilst in Dunedin, I spent a full day on the video chat system control console that displayed every aspect of the sessions, including every open chat window. I didn't notice any ménage à trois, quatre, cinq, etc and asked about whether it was possible. The operator said that it was but, as a practical matter, it would be difficult for a girl to accomplish it in a second language without large gaps that would surely cause complaints from the men.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on March 30, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
 CB, you think it is possible to make dishonest women honest?

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE

(unless you are playing a game)

 :smokin:


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on March 30, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Your rhetorical question speculates about girls juggling multiple chat sessions.

And people do not do this on FaceBook every day?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: welder on March 30, 2013, 10:22:04 PM
CB, you think it is possible to make dishonest women honest?

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE

(unless you are playing a game)

 :smokin:

Swimming below the mark again CMate.  Life must suck for you man, glass eternally half empty.  Did you ever stop to consider these women are making some cash(possibly???) while searching for what they really want in life?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on March 30, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
Women getting paid to chat in the US is porn.
Women getting paid to date in the US is prostitution.

In the FSU it is SCAM.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on March 30, 2013, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: topic=15935.msg314064#msg314064 date=1364705913

I have to say hats off to you two for managing to get your wives out of that system and making honest women out of them,and it looks like blackknight will soon be joining your ranks.

You must have some game..it's mission impossible for the vast majority of men trying to do that  tiphat

Life must suck for men who are so desperate their mission
is to change a dishonest woman into an honest one...
and we should tiphat to them?

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 30, 2013, 10:37:37 PM
And people do not do this on FaceBook every day?

What happens on facebook has nothing to do with what I observed on the HRB video-chat system.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: CzechMate on March 30, 2013, 10:44:41 PM
And people do not do this on FaceBook every day?

What happens on facebook has nothing to do with what I observed on the HRB video-chat system.

And what year was that again?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: chelseaboy on March 30, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
CzechMate,

                 If anyone achieves anything in life,which the vast majority of people failed  to do,i tip my hat to them.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on March 30, 2013, 11:05:39 PM
It couldn't possibly be so she can simultaneously be chatting with several chat /text windows open at once could it?

Your rhetorical question speculates about girls juggling multiple chat sessions.

Whilst in Dunedin, I spent a full day on the video chat system control console that displayed every aspect of the sessions, including every open chat window. I didn't notice any ménage à trois, quatre, cinq, etc and asked about whether it was possible. The operator said that it was but, as a practical matter, it would be difficult for a girl to accomplish it in a second language without large gaps that would surely cause complaints from the men.
Taking  your comment here in all seriousness-- I gather that was some tine ago?
Multiple chatting is 100%  fact and quite easy to do--it requires no more technology than is already in use now.I cannot say how long that has been the case--but at least 3 years.
It is sure sign of multiple chat when replies are slow and short--that was what alerted me some years ago-- and subsequently I was proven correct.If you are watching live webcam can can see girls typing -- and no replies coming to you !!The other tell tale sign is you can often see the reflection from computer screen as light changes as a girl looks at different windows ( you can have multiple chat windows visible at once on one screen)--in agency they can have a few screens open at one time.  In an agency--I did see a girl doing 5 chats at one time.I was told of one very skilled guy could do up to ten at a time. Combined with using video on webcam-- think about how much money that is bringing in per hour.  That is a huge incentive.
The chat operater has a litany of explanations ready to explain delay-- of course-- the time delay is costing a guy money,
There are many variations to the theme.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on March 31, 2013, 08:27:35 AM


Reviewing Anastasia Date -Two models for agency financial success:

Various different threads have reported the recruitment of ‘Translators’ and ‘Interpreters’ into the agencies that feed Anastasia Date.  There are both agency descriptions (of how to recruit TERPS) in the home site and there are advertisements that were previously reported here and on the other forum.    This recruitment for paid ‘translators’ is indicative of a model for having women appear on camera or on chat to deceive the men users into thinking that they are chatting with someone who wants to find a husband.  In a recent post, we see that many of the men that utilize AD are not looking for women, but simply bored men who want to talk sex.

Such women are initially hired as both interpreters – to go out on dates with women who are meeting men - and as translators – to translate and assist in responding to letters.  Once engaged in the agency, the woman also will be recruited to go on camera and perform chat with many different men – often simultaneously (in spite of what Tom says, the woman I was dating previously confirmed this).    As I understand things, both Sasha and AJ’s wives were recruited in such a fashion.

But there is a different approach that I have observed.  It works with no less efficiency in bringing money into the company, although it does not quite offer the same direct compensation as described above where a woman is hired directly by the agency in the ‘translator’ role.

The Other Model:

In major Ukraine cities there are billboards and advertisements that encourage women to sign up with agencies.  One woman reported that she was requested by a friend who had recently become one of the above TERP employees.   She was asked to put her profile up.  She had no intention of dating anyone, but was simply trying to help out a friend.  Other women I have talked to were intrigued by the idea of a ‘Free’ photo shoot. 

A woman is attracted to the glossy pictures and ability to talk to men online.  They sign up.  They sign an agreement and provide their passport.  A photo shoot is scheduled.  During the photo shoot, if the woman is attractive, they will also ‘entice’ the woman to put up videos to additionally encourage men to communicate with them.  All of these freebies have a cost.  I have talked to women from three different agencies. 

The first, in Kiev, said that as soon as it became apparent that she would be a money maker for the company, the owner of the agency began a full-court press on her both to use her pictures at his discretion, and also to shoot additional videos to entice men to pay additional money.    Immediately she was offered a contract to produce a certain amount of income for the company and advised that she would have top billing as a headliner on the website masthead.  In her words – she refused.  Within two weeks she was contacted and told that she had violated the terms of her agreement and that she would be forced to pay for the pictures and that her web presence was to be deleted.  The alternative was that she could conform to company policy and get a stipend for the money that company made from her.  When I found her last summer and she shared that she had just had her profile reinstated and that she was now following the agency rules.  As an aside, she is no longer with AD, has migrated to UkraineDate, but AD still maintains her profile.  I asked her to come online here to share her story, but she is reluctant to do so even though she no longer lives in Kiev.

Last summer, as part of my WMVF, I met a woman in Kharkov.  She had been online for over a year and a half.  Her profile was one of the most recognizable profiles on the network.  She was a very pretty woman and was listed as a school teacher.  I could never understand how she was available to talk to me at 8:00 AM her time if she was teaching school.  We met in Kharkov, but by then I had already met the woman who eventually became my committed girlfriend.   This woman and I became close friends.  We communicate to this day and I found her to be a valuable ally in knowing which side is up.  Her story was a little different than the lady from Kiev.  She, was, first of all, very young.  She was attracted to the mystique of talking to men across the sea.  After she had been online less than a month, the agency owner came to her with 500 Grivna and gave it to her as a ‘thank you’ for all the money he was making off of her.  She was told that if they (the agency) could operate her profile, without discretion, and that if she would show up to meet men that came into town, that she would continue to get money like this.  Because she was not participating – and getting paid anyway – she went along with it.  In October she met a man.  She had a summary page that was created by the agency that told of her ‘conversations’ with him.   After she met him, she began to receive threats from him because he was able to ascertain that it had never been her communicating with him.  To protect herself she removed the profile from the system.  And she is now in a relationship with a local man and they are getting married.

The third and most recent variation on this theme is quite simple.  I was advised of it by my former girlfriend.  It was one of her friends that went online and was quickly dismayed with the type of man she was experiencing.  She asked to have her profile removed.  It was taken down and she was satisfied.  Two weeks after having been removed, the profile was once again displayed and became one of the masthead profiles, displayed again and again.  Obviously, the person operating this profile was counting on the fact that the woman would not, herself, be looking to see if the profile resurfaced.  Her friends notified her.  She has had trouble getting it removed and had to report the agency to AD to finally have it no longer online.

The simple truth is this:  Either a woman is a willing participant and compensated for her services or, if her profile produces funds for the agency, she is either cheated or coerced into participation.  Those profiles that do not produce much income are left alone.

I could go on and on and on.  But the reality is that AJ has addressed the Video Chat or Online Chat options.  But there are so many variations on the theme of how to get money from a profile which sometimes, maybe the women don’t know – and aren’t making money directly.  But indirectly, the agency is supporting them and if necessary manipulating them to insure that the money still rolls in. 

The people who run the agencies that I have rubbed elbows with are no more than thugs.  The likelihood of an honest pay-per-letter exchange is remote.  If the lady is not being paid, herself, chances are she is no longer controlling her own profile and that it is being operated by an agency employee.  One really has to consider how much time an unpaid woman would dedicate to finding a spouse, online.  I can only estimate, but my guess would be three to five months, and maybe an hour a day.   Every profile that is older than this timeframe is suspect.  And every woman, online more than an hour a day (which is the overwhelming majority of them) is also suspect. 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
It couldn't possibly be so she can simultaneously be chatting with several chat /text windows open at once could it?

Your rhetorical question speculates about girls juggling multiple chat sessions.

Whilst in Dunedin, I spent a full day on the video chat system control console that displayed every aspect of the sessions, including every open chat window. I didn't notice any ménage à trois, quatre, cinq, etc and asked about whether it was possible. The operator said that it was but, as a practical matter, it would be difficult for a girl to accomplish it in a second language without large gaps that would surely cause complaints from the men.

In my wife's agency there were women who were able to do this. But you are correct, it starts to become very difficult to keep focus with multiple chats. There is currently a woman on AD who I talked to when I was looking and is still on site. She tends to send a lot of hearts and kisses instead of text replies. It is obvious she is juggling.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 08:58:48 AM
Bagalia, I do agree with most of what you say so no need for any yelling  :)

At the slightest perceived problem they were quick to scream scam and nothing you could say would appease them.

This happens all the time from both sides and my wife as an interpreter has seen many potential relationships foiled by the thought of something being a scam. In fact this is the very reason I was able to meet my wife. A western man screamed "scam" because one of her girls did not want to marry him on the first trip after meeting him and the agency was fined.

Agencies are hiring women to chat with men. Lets forget that they also toss in how you can meet men while getting paid. Just getting paid to do this makes it a scam of sorts as long as it is advertised as meeting women interested in marrying a foreign man. But how many agencies are paying and how many women are working it?  No proof is no proof and you can say you know one or some or even many or your mother told you, they are not here for questioning.

I can only speak for the agency my wife worked for which had around 1000 women in three different agencies. My wife estimates around 90% of the women were paid. All of them on chat but one was paid supposedly. The "serious" women would go out on dates without pay, but were not really interested in finding a man. Just dinner, or a paid night out to a club. My wife is here and she is a smart woman. She happened to backup certain files and documents should we ever decide we need them.

They are also just as susceptible to embellishing. While I personally am willing to believe a RW who claims that agencies are scamming via chat I also do not hear that woman speaking here. She is not available for questions fear of retribution or no. I hear a second hand voice say she worked there and knew of others and when you take three who know multiple you end up with the truth of everything. I do not know any person on either side of the pond who knows near everything but I am willing to accept without questioning that there are three women with knowledge of twice as many agencies. Even then it appears they have no idea how many women were actually paid

Of course, everyone is human and stories may be stretched a bit or the human mind may forget certain details.  Certain details she was not privy to, but she was friends with the agency owner and was asked to open a new location in Kiev so is better informed than many. In the end you are correct, nobody has an exact number on how many women are truly paid.

I personally would not use this service for several reasons including the scam angle. For all I know this part of the industry could be 90% scam but... it could also be 10% scam or some agencies 100% and others not at all.

That's pretty much it, nobody knows the total extent and better to not use the service unless you feel like playing with fire and want an adventure like Barbossa here.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 09:22:01 AM
AJ and Sashathecat,

                             I have to say hats off to you two for managing to get your wives out of that system and making honest women out of them,and it looks like blackknight will soon be joining your ranks.

You must have some game..it's mission impossible for the vast majority of men trying to do that  tiphat

Thanks. I have talked with AJ a bit on chat and have to agree he sounds like a pretty cool guy. I do think there is some some luck involved in this as well, for me at least there was.


Life must suck for men who are so desperate their mission
is to change a dishonest woman into an honest one...

Don't think those of us who managed to marry the front page women from AD can be considered desperate  :)
I like my wife the way she is and had there is nothing I would change about her. She got wrapped up in a crooked business run by a crooked owner who used many of the women to his advantage. She is actually very open and frank with me which is why we are successful.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 09:27:38 AM
As an aside,personally i've never been convinced by the earnings levels quoted for these video chat girls,although i'm sure they do all get paid.

The numbers I quoted for women up thread are for video chatting, going out on paid dates ($5 per hour or free), acting as interpreters, money from gifts like flowers and perfume, etc. A woman can easily bring in 5k for the agency and make $200-1k a month. I am talking about good looking women with good profiles. Some of these women graced the home page for example.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on March 31, 2013, 09:37:46 AM
My observations about HRB are in the archives if anyone cares to look for them. Those who would rather believe hearsay, because it supports their prejudices, than a witness are within their rights to do so, however.

Frankly, I think that men who drop a fortune on a chat addiction without making any substantial progress toward a real relationship are dumbasses who don't deserve a real relationship. Wringing our fingers over the evil IMBs is equally unproductive. I found lots of legitimate girls on HRB; if the men who are fixated on front-page girls would get their heads screwed on straight, they could do the same.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jamaica_live on March 31, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Why use AD at all?  Why not go to Russia, or if going to Ukraine use a different method?
Because that is a hunt.
Only fancy, Anteros, that you got one of AD hotties - are you cool now?  :8)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2013, 12:23:08 PM
Maybe what is happening here is two things happening at once. We have people who need an excuse for their failure and so being able to blame some outside 'agency' sometimes even in advance gives them a free pass for their own issues. Basically the story is 'I can't succeed and its because of all those nasty horrible women who get paid to talk to me' What that tells us about these men is not good and as I see it a little sad, but blaming external 'others' for one's shortcomings is not healthy and nor is it a way to succeed at anything.

The second wee group we have is men whose wives/girlfriends/penfriends/whatever were involved in scamming blokes at some level and, as is usual, it becomes much easier to accept what one person was doing if we believe that many people were doing the same thing, that this behaviour is somehow normal and thus acceptable. Some might say this is a little childish and I might not argue with them.

Maybe there is a third group who are taking other people's stories and making them into their own.

The other way of thinking is to understand that as soon as one tries to suggest that all of a group are the same then apart from at the most basic level of 'women are female' it is very rare for all cases of a group to be identical. We need to know no more than this to understand that claims being made here are untrue.

Now, I understand theuse of hyperbole (exaggeration) to make a point, it is a normal part of discussion, rhetoric and debate. The problem comes when a person chooses to allow that exaggeration for effect to be taken as a statement of fact either when somebody else makes that connection or worse yet when the speaker or writer chooses to do so.

In this case the effect, it seems to me, is that we have a few guys married to or involved with women who were or are involved in the very business doing the very stuff they claim is universal. Apart from the worries I'd have about being hooked up with a person doing stuff that I had ethical concerns about we have another issue: If a person is telling us well I got my woman but all the rest are scheming liars and cheats then they are, by inference, telling other people they have no chance to succeed and that is as untrue as the idea that all these women are getting paid to mislead men.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on March 31, 2013, 12:31:21 PM
Andrew,

I removed part of my post.  It was the part that examined your motives for speaking the way you do.  There are many of us on this forum that believe that you are way too involved in defending the agencies and their parent company.  Your continued attempts at justifying your own point of view borders on the obsessive.

So, I would like to put the question to you directly:  Are you a paid employee or consultant of one of these agencies?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 03:11:26 PM
Maybe what is happening here is two things happening at once. We have people who need an excuse for their failure and so being able to blame some outside 'agency' sometimes even in advance gives them a free pass for their own issues. Basically the story is 'I can't succeed and its because of all those nasty horrible women who get paid to talk to me' What that tells us about these men is not good and as I see it a little sad, but blaming external 'others' for one's shortcomings is not healthy and nor is it a way to succeed at anything.

I am sure that this does occur frequently. I am sure there are more than just two things happening...

The second wee group we have is men whose wives/girlfriends/penfriends/whatever were involved in scamming blokes at some level and, as is usual, it becomes much easier to accept what one person was doing if we believe that many people were doing the same thing, that this behaviour is somehow normal and thus acceptable. Some might say this is a little childish and I might not argue with them.

Possible as well. I guess we can let the readers make the decision for themselves. Keep in mind my wife worked for an agency with around 1000 women. My wife was in charge of paying some of these women herself after the owner gave her the funds. I am not worried about my wife's involvement, what she did was minor compared to what many of the other women do. There is nothing childish about this. This is life and they way it works in Ukraine. To be honest I could care less what most people think. We are happy and that is all that matters.

The other way of thinking is to understand that as soon as one tries to suggest that all of a group are the same then apart from at the most basic level of 'women are female' it is very rare for all cases of a group to be identical. We need to know no more than this to understand that claims being made here are untrue.

In this case the effect, it seems to me, is that we have a few guys married to or involved with women who were or are involved in the very business doing the very stuff they claim is universal. Apart from the worries I'd have about being hooked up with a person doing stuff that I had ethical concerns about we have another issue: If a person is telling us well I got my woman but all the rest are scheming liars and cheats then they are, by inference, telling other people they have no chance to succeed and that is as untrue as the idea that all these women are getting paid to mislead men.

As in most things in life nothing is identical. There is no reason for me or the others to lie about any of this. Barbossa outlined some of the types of women as did I who are involved. Some of the women are devious and out to make money, some may do things that we think are immoral here in the west, but in the FSU are not looked at the same way. Most women whether paid or not are in actuality probably very nice people. But it is a job, which is what we are trying to tell the readers potentially looking.

Blah, blah, blah on the ethics garbage. We have all done things in our life others may look at as immoral. Does not make someone any less of a person.

EVERYONE has a chance at success at almost anything in life. Barbossa outlined how he has been able to get past the shield and my experience is similar. There are good looking, smart, nice women on the site (although personally I believe the number not being paid is quite low). Most are just working or are already involved with someone. What we are telling the readers is that the risks are high with these agencies and it is best to try another method. If you think you are up for it and have money to blow and risk to take then go for it and make sure to write about it for us so we can enjoy the report.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on March 31, 2013, 03:30:58 PM
It's called prioritized princlples or at least that's the most concise and fitting turn of phrase I've heard coined.

Not sure if I'd want to be married to someone with principles that are fluid enough to screw over some men just to earn a buck as you'll never know when you'll be next. Who knows what else they'd be happy to do when it fits their agendas.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 31, 2013, 03:50:00 PM
How do you know if a girl is a local agency employee who is paid to chat?

Log on the site on a week day at 4:00 am Ukraine time and every single one of
the girls who is online with a webcam is paid to be there.

If a pretty 5' 10" 19 year old "linguist model" calls you and says that she wants
to chat with you (a 50 year old man) at 12:43am on a school night because she
can't find a local man then you can pretty much assure yourself that she is being
paid to do so.

(http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/lb_photos/524527/524527_3l.jpg)

Hot FSUW don't approach old men and ask them to chat with them. Hot young
FSUW don't write initial letters to men. They don't need to. They wouldn't do it
unless they are paid to do so.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2013, 04:05:57 PM
Barbossa, I have never been employed or a consultant to an MOB agency.

The thing is that if one chooses to paint a picture that is inaccurate in order to serves one's own psychic needs then one is going to make a lot of mistakes.

If you have read what I have written over the years you will have seen that I have been consistent and critical of the activities of the MOB industry. Nothing has changed. The bloke who coined the term 'dirty barrel' is here right now typing these words.

If people choose to believe that things are worse (or different) than they really are, in the face of objective evidence then they will come a cropper, make sub-optimal choices or sometimes just look a bit of a twat. It is why, having made a point I don't belabor it in sentence by sentence deconstructions of what others are writing as if their words might somehow change the world as it exists. One can show the points, show why they are there and valid and then one moves on.

In a similar direction as Ade though and for reasons I made clear upthread, I can't imagine settling down with a woman who I knew to be happy to be a part of a process that she knew to be fraudulent and who excused it on the grounds of her claims of its commonness. I CAN understand why those blokes might be so vociferous in their support of their wives'/girlfriends'/inamoratas' stories but at the same time I am not minded to let them spread distortions or exaggerations in order that they might feel better.

And Bill, there's an outside chance that you might be right, but that is a very far cry from what has been claimed by others and, frankly, I don't think that your assessment is correct either if for no other reason than I can sit here at such a time and chat with people I know across the time zones of the FSU. Also, motivated people know that 04:00 in Kiev is 18:00 in Los Angeles and only 22:00 in New York. It'd be odd if a motivated person chose to waste her time chatting when she knew you lot are asleep. A little thought helps Bill. ;)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Bill on March 31, 2013, 04:35:50 PM
How do you know if a girl is a local agency employee who is paid to chat?

Log on the site on a week day at 4:00 am Ukraine time and every single one of
the girls who is online with a webcam is paid to be there.

If a pretty 5' 10" 19 year old "linguist model" calls you and says that she wants
to chat with you (a 50 year old man) at 12:43am on a school night because she
can't find a local man then you can pretty much assure yourself that she is being
paid to do so.

(http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/lb_photos/524527/524527_3l.jpg)

Hot FSUW don't approach old men and ask them to chat with them. Hot young
FSUW don't write initial letters to men. They don't need to. They wouldn't do it
unless they are paid to do so.

2tallbill can't speak about MOB dating sites but reality is different from what you're saying about sites such as HRB. I spent 27 months in Moscow and met my wife there. Expats in Moscow have no problem meeting RW 20+ years their junior.

On a number of occasions in Moscow bars I was approached 'hot young RW'. At the time I was in my mid 40's and after a couple of decades in the US Army in far better shape than most men in the bars. Perhaps the lesson is if you want to meet young RW travel to Russia and meet them in person.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 31, 2013, 04:50:13 PM

2tallbill can't speak about MOB dating sites but reality is different from what you're saying about sites such as HRB. I spent 27 months in Moscow and met my wife there. Expats in Moscow have no problem meeting RW 20+ years their junior.

On a number of occasions in Moscow bars I was approached 'hot young RW'. At the time I was in my mid 40's and after a couple of decades in the US Army in far better shape than most men in the bars. Perhaps the lesson is if you want to meet young RW travel to Russia and meet them in person.

Bill, there is no comparison with MOB sites and boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground is a thousand times more effective (maybe more).


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 05:11:16 PM
And Bill, there's an outside chance that you might be right, but that is a very far cry from what has been claimed by others and, frankly, I don't think that your assessment is correct either if for no other reason than I can sit here at such a time and chat with people I know across the time zones of the FSU. Also, motivated people know that 04:00 in Kiev is 18:00 in Los Angeles and only 22:00 in New York. It'd be odd if a motivated person chose to waste her time chatting when she knew you lot are asleep. A little thought helps Bill. ;)

 (:)  How does it go ... “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck”

Not sure if I'd want to be married to someone with principles that are fluid enough to screw over some men just to earn a buck as you'll never know when you'll be next. Who knows what else they'd be happy to do when it fits their agendas.

Not sure I would want to be married to a woman who approached me first for fear that she would use me for a green card or a leg up in life. But hey, as long as everyone is happy, right?  ;)

Bill, there is no comparison with MOB sites and boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground is a thousand times more effective (maybe more).

If you are a decent guy and have any game, da, nothing can come close I agree.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Bill on March 31, 2013, 05:16:19 PM

2tallbill can't speak about MOB dating sites but reality is different from what you're saying about sites such as HRB. I spent 27 months in Moscow and met my wife there. Expats in Moscow have no problem meeting RW 20+ years their junior.

On a number of occasions in Moscow bars I was approached 'hot young RW'. At the time I was in my mid 40's and after a couple of decades in the US Army in far better shape than most men in the bars. Perhaps the lesson is if you want to meet young RW travel to Russia and meet them in person.

Bill, there is no comparison with MOB sites and boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground is a thousand times more effective (maybe more).

Definitely agree.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on March 31, 2013, 06:41:46 PM

Not sure if I'd want to be married to someone with principles that are fluid enough to screw over some men just to earn a buck as you'll never know when you'll be next. Who knows what else they'd be happy to do when it fits their agendas.

Not sure I would want to be married to a woman who approached me first for fear that she would use me for a green card or a leg up in life. But hey, as long as everyone is happy, right?  ;)

So, you equate method of first contact with deliberate deception, fraud and theft?
Yes, it really is no wonder how you guys get into trouble.

Core values are everything.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on March 31, 2013, 06:52:56 PM
How do you know if a girl is a local agency employee who is paid to chat?

Log on the site on a week day at 4:00 am Ukraine time and every single one of
the girls who is online with a webcam is paid to be there.

If a pretty 5' 10" 19 year old "linguist model" calls you and says that she wants
to chat with you (a 50 year old man) at 12:43am on a school night because she
can't find a local man then you can pretty much assure yourself that she is being
paid to do so.

(http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/lb_photos/524527/524527_3l.jpg)

Hot FSUW don't approach old men and ask them to chat with them. Hot young
FSUW don't write initial letters to men. They don't need to. They wouldn't do it
unless they are paid to do so.

I know exactly who this woman is and she does not do chat - in fact she was two weeks ago in Australia and is presently in London. Returning to Ukraine on Thursday. Also for the good order she is 25 years old.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on March 31, 2013, 09:03:38 PM

Not sure if I'd want to be married to someone with principles that are fluid enough to screw over some men just to earn a buck as you'll never know when you'll be next. Who knows what else they'd be happy to do when it fits their agendas.

Not sure I would want to be married to a woman who approached me first for fear that she would use me for a green card or a leg up in life. But hey, as long as everyone is happy, right?  ;)

So, you equate method of first contact with deliberate deception, fraud and theft?
Yes, it really is no wonder how you guys get into trouble.

Core values are everything.

No, I was trying to show you how silly what you said was. Method of contact shows the man has no cojones.

I agree on the core values, something you appear to be missing at times.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Bill on March 31, 2013, 09:44:33 PM
How do you know if a girl is a local agency employee who is paid to chat?

Log on the site on a week day at 4:00 am Ukraine time and every single one of
the girls who is online with a webcam is paid to be there.

If a pretty 5' 10" 19 year old "linguist model" calls you and says that she wants
to chat with you (a 50 year old man) at 12:43am on a school night because she
can't find a local man then you can pretty much assure yourself that she is being
paid to do so.

(http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/lb_photos/524527/524527_3l.jpg)

Hot FSUW don't approach old men and ask them to chat with them. Hot young
FSUW don't write initial letters to men. They don't need to. They wouldn't do it
unless they are paid to do so.

I know exactly who this woman is and she does not do chat - in fact she was two weeks ago in Australia and is presently in London. Returning to Ukraine on Thursday. Also for the good order she is 25 years old.

AvHdb tell us who she is. Please.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on March 31, 2013, 09:50:24 PM

Not sure if I'd want to be married to someone with principles that are fluid enough to screw over some men just to earn a buck as you'll never know when you'll be next. Who knows what else they'd be happy to do when it fits their agendas.

Not sure I would want to be married to a woman who approached me first for fear that she would use me for a green card or a leg up in life. But hey, as long as everyone is happy, right?  ;)

So, you equate method of first contact with deliberate deception, fraud and theft?
Yes, it really is no wonder how you guys get into trouble.

Core values are everything.

No, I was trying to show you how silly what you said was. Method of contact shows the man has no cojones.

I agree on the core values, something you appear to be missing at times.

Interesting logic you have there. Good luck with that. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on March 31, 2013, 09:55:10 PM
Several of the guys above are correct. My wife worked for an agency that fed into Anastasia. Women can make between $200 and 2k a month. It works like most affiliate programs. Anastasia gets a cut, the agency takes their share, and the girls are left at the agency owners whims.

There are many angles to making money. Gifts, free photo shoots, fees for meeting the guys, prizes in contests, etc.
In Odessa many women get their friends to signup. The women will do it just to help her friend out or for fun.

Oh, now I see.  :ROFL:

Core principles?  ;D
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: 2tallbill on April 01, 2013, 06:08:13 AM

I know exactly who this woman is and she does not do chat - in fact she was two weeks ago in Australia and is presently in London. Returning to Ukraine on Thursday. Also for the good order she is 25 years old.


How did I get her photo?
I went through the girls available for chat at HRB. She was available for chat
according to the site. It could have easily been translators at the local agency
chatting on her behalf or possibly some other explanation like she was using a
laptop in a remote location to access the site. Best bet is that the locals were
using her photo to lure men to chat with their translators, but it could be something
completely innocent. 

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on April 01, 2013, 06:21:44 AM
Interesting logic you have there. Good luck with that. :ROFL:

Run along and play in a busy street little chihuahua  :P

On a serious note, you do bring up some valid points Ade. Every situation is different and in my case I am certainly not worried. I will not go into full details but I think you may be assuming my wife did certain things she did in fact not participate in.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 01, 2013, 06:38:54 AM
Interesting logic you have there. Good luck with that. :ROFL:

Run along and play in a busy street little chihuahua  :P

On a serious note, you do bring up some valid points Ade. Every situation is different and in my case I am certainly not worried. I will not go into full details but I think you may be assuming my wife did certain things she did in fact not participate in.

What is it she did and didn't do that I'm assuming?  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on April 01, 2013, 06:39:23 AM
Here's a simple test anyone who is interested can try to determine if they think Anastasia is a scam or not.

Currently AD gives away some free credits you can use to chat with the women. I believe it is 40 or 50 credits. Signup with a disposable email address and fake profile. Use an age closer to the women's age, lets say 35 yrs old. If you look like some of the deniers in this thread, upload a different photo of a decent looking guy. Go onto chat and start talking to a woman. Keep the conversation light and friendly. Mention you know someone who used the site with success (note the women's reaction on this one), and you brother/friend/coworker explained to you how it works. Don't accuse the woman of anything and keep it friendly. Many of the women will be open about how it works once they know you are clued in.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2013, 10:07:37 AM
Sashathecat, you know, I don't think that anyone is suggesting that Anastasia is at least somewhat shady - least of all myself.

However I am certain that when you think for a while that it makes little sense to suggest as some are doing that not only are all the women (or an overwhelming majority according to some posts) scammers but that the same is true of all MOB businesses.

It does nobody any favours to make such absurd suggestions.

Here's a rough guidelien for blokes who might be concerned about such matters:
Remember that most men will be trying to contact the same very small group of women. There's no way that these women can deal with all their own communications.

There's a decent living to be earned from meeting guys, if the right guys are chosen and milked appropriately.

If a thing looks too good to be true then it probably is. If you'd not have a chance with the woman you are chatting to or emailing in your country then why on earth would you stand a chance in any other place - YOU DON'T. But another bloke might.

So, avoid the women you know to be the most popular in any agency and because we know that if you could do it in your country you'd not be seeking to do it anywhere else, stick to what you know is attainable and all of a sudden you will come across real people with real interests who might be interested in a real  with a real bloke.

Finally, remember that almost all, the overwhelming majority, of the paying (male) clients are in it for fantasy fodder and most services provided are aimed at those people.

And, yeah,  know it is too late for some, but I'd avoid any woman who made her living from scamming or supporting the scams of others, or who is able to justify as normal behaviour of which you do not approve. In the end if we do not settle with people with a similar ethical and moral viewpoint to ourselves than there is going to be a lot of pain to come.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 01, 2013, 10:59:15 AM

The thing is that if one chooses to paint a picture that is inaccurate in order to serves one's own psychic needs then one is going to make a lot of mistakes.


Yeap, glad to see you can admit it.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2013, 11:21:53 AM

The thing is that if one chooses to paint a picture that is inaccurate in order to serves one's own psychic needs then one is going to make a lot of mistakes.


Yeap, glad to see you can admit it.

 :laugh:

AJ, that I am aware of the isue suggests that I am not letting that happen. Thus far you have made plenty of exagerations for effect and yet we have seen nothing that supports the contentions that you make. After all nobody, least of all myself, is suggesting that any agency is whiter than white only that they are not as bad as you and your partner suggest and, as I remember correctly, you told us that she was a part of the problem - not likely to be a reliable witness given that she has skin in the game. 

Thee is on the other hand plenty to suggest that your accusations are inaccurate, there is the simple business logic, there are visible promotions targeted at different groups, there are plenty of people meeting other people and there are, perhaps the most important reasons of simple economics (not just money). Maybe most importantly, that one agency took legal action against another for restraint of trade where the complainant makes a policy and goal of NOT working with agencies that pay girls to chat. WOuld such a business want to be able to have these women in thier agency if they were only in it for the money?

AJ, think a little, understand that absolutes are almost never correct and think also of what you are telling the world - my partner was a scammer and she's OK with me but you lot can f**k off. Is that the message you really want to convey both about her and about your ethical viewpoint?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 01, 2013, 11:25:02 AM
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However I am certain that when you think for a while that it makes little sense to suggest as some are doing that not only are all the women (or an overwhelming majority according to some posts) scammers but that the same is true of all MOB businesses


No one saiod all the thousands of profile representing women were paid, again you miss the scope of the conversation vbeing only bvid chat women.
The pop up software featuring the chat invites on Aweb.
Since you, andrewfi, stated that to the best of your knowledge , one agency, Aweb sdoensnt bot pay their vid chat girls.

Yes, of course you, andrewFI ,  know more than the ukrainians living and working
at the affiliates.
They do know girls at other affiliates , even in other cities andrew,

You know not only the percentage of scamming affiliates,but all aboit how the vid chat deal works and the percentages of those paid to chat on any given day or hour.

So ,what more absurd, you thinking you know?
or the reality being different than your perception.

occums razor




Now on the scam subkject, pleae elaborate that i ever stated it was scam?
I stated the majorituy of vid chat girls, are paid.

If i am logs into Aweb and gets flooded with chat invites in pop uyp screens, the majorirty of those girls are paid to send him that invite.
I see no scam.

As it doesn't mean the girl isnt looking for a foreign man.
and more importantly,  Aweb never states the girls are not paid.

Andrew you can continue to live in a world view of your own fashioning,
where what every perception you have is %100 accurate.

Or you could rather accept that many people who work in an industry you know nowt about, in a country youi have no experience in,
 might, just might,  have a lot more insight into all areas of the business both legit or shady , than you do.
Of course i'm not foolish enough to hold my breath at you being reasonable.

So , along those same lines,
will you please tell me exactly ,in detail, and percentages,
how to get a start at the next  motocross race ,
 as you are an expert at all things a person can study and read about,
and my starts have been a bit lagging lately.
 :bow:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on April 01, 2013, 11:58:40 AM


Move backwards five days, I posted that I am visiting a woman that I met through AD.  She is not the first I have visited and all communications with her is now on E-Mail and Skype so I am satisfied that her motives are appropriate in wanting to get together.

We were talking yesterday and she openly wondered how I was going to get to Mikolaev from Odessa.  Then she suggested I contact the agency to arrange for a car to pick me up.  After I stopped smiling, she asked me why I would not take her suggestion seriously.  She didn't have a clue.  She had no idea that the agency used the services of taxi drivers and interpreters and apartments to further obtain money from the men coming to visit.  (It should be pointed out that she has arranged to have a family member do our interpreting - which will be very limited because of her English knowledge and my Russian.)

Here is a working woman, who maintains a job for eight hours most days and twelve hours some days.  Her profile is prominent on the masthead of Anastasia Date.  Her participation in the payment of money is tacit.  It was proposed to her that if the agency could increase her exposure and write letters on her behalf, she could reach more men then she could operating by herself. 

There is no malice.  There is no intent to defraud.  That occurs at the agency level.  She was very happy that her profile was expanded to more men - and that those men were reviewed and some weeded out by the agency.

The fraud and deception happens at the agency level.  The women are simply tacit beneficiaries.  Most of them, once you get to them, are, like this woman, good people who cannot worry about the workings of a system that may or may not at some future point in time yield a husband.  Does she get remuneration?  Yes.  Unlike the last person that I dated, I have not asked her sums or method of payment.  I honestly don't care. 

My purpose in posting here was not to draw attention to the ethics but more to the possibility of how to work within this system.  All the talk about ethics and should I date a woman who gets paid to talk to men is simply noodles to my ears.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 01, 2013, 12:14:29 PM
MODERATOR COMMENT

Ade,

Making snide comments about wives and girlfriends is against Forum policy.  Please refrain.

leslied.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 01, 2013, 12:37:25 PM


Here is a working woman, who maintains a job for eight hours most days and twelve hours some days.  Her profile is prominent on the masthead of Anastasia Date.  Her participation in the payment of money is tacit.  It was proposed to her that if the agency could increase her exposure and write letters on her behalf, she could reach more men then she could operating by herself. 

There is no malice.  There is no intent to defraud.  That occurs at the agency level.  She was very happy that her profile was expanded to more men - and that those men were reviewed and some weeded out by the agency.

The fraud and deception happens at the agency level.  The women are simply tacit beneficiaries.  Most of them, once you get to them, are, like this woman, good people who cannot worry about the workings of a system that may or may not at some future point in time yield a husband.  Does she get remuneration?  Yes. 

My purpose in posting here was not to draw attention to the ethics but more to the possibility of how to work within this system.  All the talk about ethics and should I date a woman who gets paid to talk to men is simply noodles to my ears.




So, are you saying your love interest is either lying or stupid?

Ade, It seems you are just tired of the diaper routine (so soon?) or back in your snarky mode.

If one compares the reality of politics and business in Ukraine than what Barabossa describes is (unfortunately) standard operating procedure. This is a woman who was naive of the realites, your judgement seems a bit harsh.

It seems also a bit cheap to discuss a specific woman when we are speaking of a big picture the modus operandi of an industry. There is insight and specific information that has not been shared before.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 01, 2013, 12:54:03 PM


Here is a working woman, who maintains a job for eight hours most days and twelve hours some days.  Her profile is prominent on the masthead of Anastasia Date.  Her participation in the payment of money is tacit.  It was proposed to her that if the agency could increase her exposure and write letters on her behalf, she could reach more men then she could operating by herself. 

There is no malice.  There is no intent to defraud.  That occurs at the agency level.  She was very happy that her profile was expanded to more men - and that those men were reviewed and some weeded out by the agency.

The fraud and deception happens at the agency level.  The women are simply tacit beneficiaries.  Most of them, once you get to them, are, like this woman, good people who cannot worry about the workings of a system that may or may not at some future point in time yield a husband.  Does she get remuneration?  Yes. 

My purpose in posting here was not to draw attention to the ethics but more to the possibility of how to work within this system.  All the talk about ethics and should I date a woman who gets paid to talk to men is simply noodles to my ears.




So, are you saying your love interest is either lying or stupid?

Ade, It seems you are just tired of the diaper routine (so soon?) or back in your snarky mode.

If one compares the reality of politics and business in Ukraine than what Barabossa describes is (unfortunately) standard operating procedure. This is a woman who was naive of the realites, your judgement seems a bit harsh.

It seems also a bit cheap to discuss a specific woman when we are speaking of a big picture the modus operandi of an industry. There is insight and specific information that has not been shared before.

FSUW aren't all stupid and I find it hard to believe that women grown up in an environment like Ukraine and Russia aren't fully aware of the seedier side of life there. So, you honestly believe that women involved in the MOB business are naive to the point that they don't know what is going on? Personally, I would have to say that those that are, are also a little dim all things considered. But my bet is on lying and "prioritized principles" and it's the boyfriends that fall for the lies that are naive.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2013, 01:01:53 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 01, 2013, 01:06:20 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 01, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.

It seems you two have never been able to love, sort of sad, but it your choice.

My opinion we seem to be going off subject in writing about a spouse when we are discussing a specific agency and there business practices.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 01, 2013, 01:16:33 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.

It seems you two have never been able to love, sort of sad, but it your choice.

Strange conclusion you've drawn.

I'll even say I've dated, sometime in my past, women with dodgy principles, but I never kidded myself to that or made excuses for them.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on April 01, 2013, 01:34:38 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

True story

There is a corporation, they work with agencies, their main business is scamming western guys, the corporation supplies the software, collects the money, does the advertising, funds the contests, and pays agencies who in turn pay the women.

Nothing wrong with it of course, except they are at the top of the food chain. They are the big fish who will let the middlemen take the fall. They are the ones the feds will go after.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 01, 2013, 01:46:49 PM
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AJ, think a little, understand that absolutes are almost never correct and think also of what you are telling the world - my partner was a scammer and she's OK with me but you lot can f**k off. Is that the message you really want to convey both about her and about your ethical viewpoint?

Go twist yourself up any way you like Andrew?
classy all the way I see.

 It is not what I stated, or what I am stating.
but as usual, your debating tactics will get more odd , and less classy as we go.

It's a  deflection, but sorry you dont get off that easy.
and sadly Andrew, you'll have to stick to the debate at hand and show you know anything at all about  the percentages of vid chats girls that are paid, versus the ones that arn't.

what DO you know?
You are speaking  about a subject you know nothing tangible about.
and pride or something else wont let you admit it.

Where did I ever  state a scam occurred?
Where did i make any moral  ethical judgements about anyone?
 I know dozens of chat girls that work in affiliates.
They range from girls with boyfriends who have zero interest in meeting anyone at all.
to women I know of, who were married, but ultimately divrced and married a foriegner.
to those who are actively looking to meet a foreign man and even hopefully marry him if a good man, or any number of other motivations, either good or bad.

What i stated if you can stay on track ,
is that  the majority of vid chat girls on websites such as  Aweb ,DM and HRB are paid to vid chat.
Since none of those sites, state the girls are NOT paid, where is the scam?


You want to say i have not supported a position, that the majority of vid chat girls are paid.
You have provided far less that they are not.
Simply referring to a promotion, that would not mean they are not paid is your great proof?
As far as economics and business ,you have made far far less sense.

Please remain in the narrow scope of vid chat girls we ware discussing,
 not your side deflections.

The home office is paid, by every man that accepts a chat invite.
The affiliates are paid accordingly.

That is the business model, yes or no?
 
Just have to love how you keep avoiding direct ,easy to answer questions.

The affliate agencies are paid.
and you admit some chat girls are paid.

Why?
Andrew, why are they paid.?

To miss such basics you have gone daft or senile.

why would not the same logic that pays the giorls yu agre are paod,
not apply to the majority of VId chat girls?
or  not apply to the girls right beside them in the next booth, or across town in another affiliate?

When you can show reasonably how one affiliate in Berdynsk can not pay their vid chat girls, while the other one across town, as you admit, does..
then we will have something to support your foolishness on this topic.

Or you could log into Aweb?
but no, wouldn't want to do any due diligence, it might show you another view.

I logged in Saturday,
and had 20 some invites in  few minutes,
every single one of then was a girl 19 to 23, all smokinhotkovas.
and you want to tell me the majority of them are not paid?

Where were all the ones you claim are chatting for free Andrew? hiding someplace?
 they dont invite a guy to chat? they just it idly buy hoping a bloke will ask them while they are logged on? lol

In a business model like that,
Aweb ,DM RLM, etc, wouldnt make any money from the men paying to chat?
You make  zero common sense on this topic  andrew.
and it is so unusually daft for you ,  that you appear an agency shill and have people questioning your motives.





Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 01, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.

It seems you two have never been able to love, sort of sad, but it your choice.

Strange conclusion you've drawn.

I'll even say I've dated, sometime in my past, women with dodgy principles, but I never kidded myself to that or made excuses for them.

Ade, To me  you are the one with the dodgy principles. But are conclusions strange or otherwise are based on what you write. Av
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on April 01, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
The topic of this thread was Anastasia Date -  Scam or Real?

The purpose of my posts were simply to advise men on to how to get through the bubble around the women and find out if they were sincere in a desire to marry a western man.  We have discussed the issue of payment to these women because it adheres to motive.  Is the woman real on the other end of the computer?  Does she want to marry a western man?

Earlier, I gave a step by step approach for someone using the network to break this bubble and actually get through to the woman advertised.  Additionally I gave steps to break through the direct communication barrier so that someone could have a normal relationship with such a woman without the agency interference.

Before I knew that these fora existed, I had already contacted AD and made my move.  Once the AD system is broken down, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the system can be utilized by those adventurous enough to do so.  Of course there are still risks.

In Kalifornia, we have something called the Kalifornia stop.  It is the approach to a stop sign, where, upon looking both ways, the driver rolls through the intersection.  When I first moved here, I was aghast.  Now, I do it as well.  I will not judge these women for taking gifts in earnest or money directly from the agency.  If I were to judge them for their high moral character, I'd be caught in the same misanthropic state as some of the members here.  It reminds me of some of the hoity toity preachers who preach high moral standards and then get busted for soliciting prostitutes.  Be careful how sanctimonious you are.  For you are casting stones at our wives and girlfriends.  In general application as policy, acceptable.  But in reality, how would you feel if the table were turned and we were discussing your wife. 

I, personally, have attached myself only to this thread for the purpose of describing whether AD is real or a scam.  Those who wish to take it off topic and talk about morals should do so in another thread, which I will certainly ignore.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.


True story

There is a corporation, they work with agencies, their main business is scamming western guys, the corporation supplies the software, collects the money, does the advertising, funds the contests, and pays agencies who in turn pay the women.

Nothing wrong with it of course, except they are at the top of the food chain. They are the big fish who will let the middlemen take the fall. They are the ones the feds will go after.

Sasha, unlike some of you I have never sought to excuse unethical or illegal behaviour. I have no interest in 'Feds' whatever you might mean by that.

AJ, there is no twisting going on here - at least not at this keyboard.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 01, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
What have i twisted?
I presented exactly how the affiliates work, 
with credible witnesses, and others who have credible witnesses agreeing ..

While you contest things with thin air by speculation from a far. never have signed up for an agency, visited a n affiliate, or even havuing been in ukraine to know that which you spreak.

now you, twisting something to fit your misconception?
no Andrew, , you'd certainly  never pontificate on a subject you had no due diligence in ..

Ade- (and andrew) As far as ethics and morality-
that was never the point of my statement.
I made a very easy to understand statement, which is based on the real world of ukrainian affiliates that supply vid chat girls for Aweb DM etc.


If you both want to go off on the tangent of ethics,
I'd certainly propose that a majority, of paid vid chat girls are indeed perpetuating a scam of sorts? but i'd suppose that according to andrews recent logic lapse, that he will equally dispute this.


I would toss  out there:
If shes single and willing to meet a foreign man for a relationship..
and he knows shes paid to chat.
define the scam.
but you blokes  see black white  absolutes , as andrew is so find of saying simply cant be.


Odd debating tactic, as i never stated anything in absolutes, i simply stated a majority of vid chat girls are paid, , which could be anywhere from 51%- 99%

whats andrewsbest  guess 10 to 40%?
I notice after countless time asking he cant even give a guesstimate.

The chat girls themselves that i know,  would be more absolute about it at 100%.
So Andrew should debate the workers in Ukraine themselves, it'd make more sense
, since he reckons he knows  more than they do.

 :dh:  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 01, 2013, 08:34:42 PM
Have any of you geniuses developed a strategy to deal with this situation yet?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Slumba on April 01, 2013, 10:43:14 PM
Have any of you geniuses developed a strategy to deal with this situation yet?

Yes, several pages back.  Given the thread is 42 pages long, it might be easy to miss.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 02, 2013, 12:17:27 AM

In Kalifornia, we have something called the Kalifornia stop.  It is the approach to a stop sign, where, upon looking both ways, the driver rolls through the intersection.  When I first moved here, I was aghast.  Now, I do it as well.  I will not judge these women for taking gifts in earnest or money directly from the agency.  If I were to judge them for their high moral character, I'd be caught in the same misanthropic state as some of the members here.  It reminds me of some of the hoity toity preachers who preach high moral standards and then get busted for soliciting prostitutes.  Be careful how sanctimonious you are.  For you are casting stones at our wives and girlfriends.  In general application as policy, acceptable.  But in reality, how would you feel if the table were turned and we were discussing your wife. 


Who is judging? I'm certainly not calling these women bad or evil. They are products of their society and, generally, that society thinks it's okay to screw over or otherwise defraud foolish old men that are too dumb to know that they shouldn't be trying to screw a girl half their age. However, it's those ingrained societal mores which some women have that guys like you have to live with if you do manage to hook one of them. Good luck with that when the going gets tough.

And yes, we may very well be discussing men's future wives and girlfriends, but better that than some blindly falling for a woman with broken principles that'll take advantage of his ignorance and naivety later on. A question some people should consider asking themselves about their loved ones that were apart of the scam business; does she regret participating in fraud, in profiting from screwing around with the hope of others, does she show any remorse for the actions of herself or the business she was involved in?

And Jone, dude, do stop trying to tell people how and where to post again. It didn't work on the other forum and I doubt if it'll work here.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 02, 2013, 12:43:54 AM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.

It seems you two have never been able to love, sort of sad, but it your choice.

Strange conclusion you've drawn.

I'll even say I've dated, sometime in my past, women with dodgy principles, but I never kidded myself to that or made excuses for them.

Ade, To me  you are the one with the dodgy principles. But are conclusions strange or otherwise are based on what you write. Av

Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly? Because I don't lie? Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking? Go on, tell me, I'm truly curious why you think that. Or is it you "exaggerating for effect" again?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on April 02, 2013, 04:24:49 AM
If you enter the party through the left door you will have to walk through fire, encounter venomous snakes and the odd angry dragon. The entrance fee can vary, though it will usually be quite steep.

The door to the right allows you to enter the same party for free, with no obstacles.

Which you choose?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jamaica_live on April 02, 2013, 06:22:58 AM
Superheroes don't choose the easy ways.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 02, 2013, 08:56:42 AM
Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly?  Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking?
You make assumptions about other people and hold your self to be some supper arbitrator of any one who considers a dating a woman from another culture. As the most recent example your snide comments directed to Barbossa's partner.

As answer to your subsequent questions, in order;

Because I don't lie?
I do not think you lie, you are to pompous.

Because I don't scam people?
I have never met you or done business with you. I give every one the benefit of doubt with in reason.

Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking? Go on, tell me, I'm truly curious why you think that. Or is it you "exaggerating for effect" again?
Your problem, (I do not care how you view it) is your over riding sense of moral superiority and denial of some one else's standpoint that is you Achilles heel in my opinion. You demean and deride those who do not agree with you.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rosco on April 02, 2013, 09:09:17 AM
I don't trust anyone who makes a public claim that they don't lie. Ironic really.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 02, 2013, 10:48:07 AM
Yes, several pages back.

Great! Getting an email address by surreptitious means doesn't rule out the possibility of an agency employee at the other end, though. If she happens to be the girl in the photo/video window, but was previously on the take, now he should know that she isn't reluctant to cheat her partner/boss out of his/her cut of the proceeds. (Hence, Andrew's point: "No honour amongst thieves") I'm not sure that the hidden-email trick accomplishes much of anything  except a false sense of confidence.

He is now at exactly the same point, at which he would be, if a girl on the scammer-laden freepersonals.ru passed an email address to him. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 02, 2013, 11:22:14 AM
I don't trust anyone who makes a public claim that they don't lie. Ironic really.

Funny, but I don't trust people shown to be liars.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on April 02, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
Ya know, I'm beginning to believe that all American men must be required to spend six nights in a domestic strip club before they're allowed to set foot on an airplane bound for the FSU. 

I think there would be many positive results from such a requirement:

1)  discover that some girls will tell you anything to get possession of your money,

2)  discover that some girls will use their sexual attractiveness to get possession of your money,

3)  discover that some girls will tell you a true or made up hard luck story about their life to get possession of your money,

4)  discover that some girls will try to convince you they prefer older or "bigger" men to get possession of your money,

5)  discover that some girls will do whatever they can to dissuade you from looking at other strippers so they can be first in line to get possession of your money,

6)  discover that the sexual stimulation from a hot body while desireable, is quite fleeting and somehow hollow without emotional attachment,

7)  discover that some girls will lie and tell you don't have a boyfriend or husband; when in fact they do, so they can get possession of your money,

Yes, strip clubs can be VERY educational . . . . . . . . . . . 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Chris on April 02, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Ya know, I'm beginning to believe that all American men must be required to spend six nights in a domestic strip club before they're allowed to set foot on an airplane bound for the FSU. 

I think there would be many positive results from such a requirement:

1)  discover that some girls will tell you anything to get possession of your money,

2)  discover that some girls will use their sexual attractiveness to get possession of your money,

3)  discover that some girls will tell you a true or made up hard luck story about their life to get possession of your money,

4)  discover that some girls will try to convince you they prefer older or "bigger" men to get possession of your money,

5)  discover that some girls will do whatever they can to dissuade you from seeing other girls so they can be first in line to get possession of your money,

6)  discover that the sexual stimulation from a hot body while desireable, is quite fleeting and somehow hollow without emotional attachment,

7)  discover that some girls will lie and tell you don't have a boyfriend or husband; when in fact they do, so they can get possession of your money,

Yes, strip clubs can be VERY educational . . . . . . . . . . .

or these same men could just cut out all the BS and hire a hooker or two and never leave their home town  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 02, 2013, 12:07:57 PM
Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly?  Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking?
You make assumptions about other people and hold your self to be some supper arbitrator of any one who considers a dating a woman from another culture. As the most recent example your snide comments directed to Barbossa's partner.

A certain amount of logic dictates certain probabilities. Either she knew and is complicit, therefore a liar, or she didn't know and is just too naive for a Ukrainian girl that isn't a little dim. Those comments were not snide.

As answer to your subsequent questions, in order;

Because I don't lie?
I do not think you lie, you are to pompous.

To [sic] pompous to be a liar? You realize that those two things aren't mutually exclusive?

Because I don't scam people?
I have never met you or done business with you. I give every one the benefit of doubt with in reason.

Well that's the point isn't it? If a woman has been employed, knowingly, in a scam business wouldn't you say that doubt is reasonable?

Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking? Go on, tell me, I'm truly curious why you think that. Or is it you "exaggerating for effect" again?
Your problem, (I do not care how you view it) is your over riding sense of moral superiority and denial of some one else's standpoint that is you Achilles heel in my opinion. You demean and deride those who do not agree with you.

Well, I guess even you are entitled to an opinion.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on April 02, 2013, 12:10:51 PM
or these same men could just cut out all the BS and hire a hooker or two and never leave their home town  :)

No Chris, a hooker is too quick and too direct, plus you always get the product you wanted to buy.

A "strip club" is more like internet dating in Ukraine has become.  In a strip club the object of the stripper is to get as much money from the gullable man as possible by suggesting or implying she desires sexual contact from the man, but providing as little actual sexual contact as possible.

I'm being serious when I suggest it as good training for many men.  Based on some of the comments I've read on this forum in the past several months the experience would be a real eyeopener for them.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 02, 2013, 12:35:03 PM
Have any of you geniuses developed a strategy to deal with this situation yet?

Never proposed one. There are better methods to contact women in the FSU, if that's a mans decision.
 
I'd simply expect men to understand clearly  that a chat invite from Aweb or DM RLM HRB etc is , far more  likely, from someone paid  to invite them to chat , than not.
It really has been that simple all along. It isn't nearly as controversial as is being made out here,or even a novel concept. I'm rather shocked anyone would think otherwise, than a total newbie.
 
As far as big agencies,common advice would be to  avoid them in general for a multitude of reasons,  even though there are plenty of women listed with them that are legitimately looking for a foreign man for marriage.

If a guy chooses to use that as a means of contacting women ,why not?
As long as he knows the situation in general  behind things going into it,
 and as you pointed out even free personals have a degree of risk.

 Ultimately a man looking has to decide on an individual basis any given woman's motivations, for that matter the woman listed either on free personal sites ,or agency sites, have  those same challenges regarding the men involved.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on April 02, 2013, 01:16:17 PM
Yes, several pages back.

Great! Getting an email address by surreptitious means doesn't rule out the possibility of an agency employee at the other end, though. If she happens to be the girl in the photo/video window, but was previously on the take, now he should know that she isn't reluctant to cheat her partner/boss out of his/her cut of the proceeds. (Hence, Andrew's point: "No honour amongst thieves") I'm not sure that the hidden-email trick accomplishes much of anything  except a false sense of confidence.

He is now at exactly the same point, at which he would be, if a girl on the scammer-laden freepersonals.ru passed an email address to him.




(Patiently)

Tom, 

Getting an email address that is volunteered by a woman to you, is, first of all, not obtaining it by surreptitious means.  It is something that she is willing and desiring to do. 

Second, at the time she gives you this email, you are looking her in the face.  You are seeing her and she is responding.

We have established that many of these women are actually seeking a mate, whatever their other activities are. 

If I am on a free website or if I am on a PPL website, I will still want to establish a baseline communication with a woman, verifying that she is real and that I can see her. 

My response to your post is, once again, limited to the Thread Topic only.  Anastasia Date, Scam or Real.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on April 02, 2013, 01:25:35 PM

Yes, strip clubs can be VERY educational . . . . . . . . . . .


Shakespear, your post indicates that you are a well educated man.  Personally, I am intrigued.  What a novel idea!

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: shakespear on April 02, 2013, 01:31:27 PM
Shakespear, your post indicates that you are a well educated man.  Personally, I am intrigued.  What a novel idea! 

Oh I've been known to enjoy a visit to a strip club on occasion. 

Not at all ashamed to admit it. 

It just surprises me about the naivety of some of the men that post here.

"Investing" a couple hundred dollars in local strip clubs and learning how the game is played by real professionals might "toughen them up" a bit and save them from losing a couple thousand in the FSU. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on April 02, 2013, 01:41:51 PM
Shakespear, your post indicates that you are a well educated man.  Personally, I am intrigued.  What a novel idea! 

Oh I enjoy a visit to a strip club on occasion. 

Not at all ashamed to admit it. 

It just surprises me about the naivety of some of the men that post here.

"Investing" a couple hundred dollars in local strip clubs and learning how the game is played by real professionals might "toughen them up" a bit.

I really don't care about strip clubs at all. Nothing moralistic. No need to be shameful either. As a matter of fact, I've gone with friends across the border (when at a convention in Niagara Falls) to see the 'Canadian Ballet' more than once.

Meh.

I don't get any kicks watching women being groped by some drunk loners.

I guess I've been spoiled. I prefer one-on-one.   :evilgrin0002:

And you don't really need to 'invest' a couple hundred bucks to learn how the game is played.  :smokin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 02, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly?  Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking?
You make assumptions about other people and hold your self to be some supper arbitrator of any one who considers a dating a woman from another culture. As the most recent example your snide comments directed to Barbossa's partner.

A certain amount of logic dictates certain probabilities. Either she knew and is complicit, therefore a liar, or she didn't know and is just too naive for a Ukrainian girl that isn't a little dim. Those comments were not snide.


Still trying? - Please give it up - do you want me to reference further back to your (all)most ASO comments? 

You are so washed up there is an understanding who you are.

Yes you can make positive input but it is limited when you do not think.

Perhaps stop being the parrot?

Ade, My impression you are decent guy (chap) put on thinking boots. Av
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 02, 2013, 08:56:45 PM
AJ, Jone et al,

You are dancing all around this topic but you've disregarded the most important point: the vast majority of the major IMB's customers lack the experience, the intelligence, the social skills and the financial strength to get themselves an FSU bride from any source. Conversely, bride-searchers with experience, intelligence, social skills and financial strength can and do find brides anywhere.

AD has arguably the poorest reputation in the business but a few men have still managed to marry some of their girls. In reality, the reports of shady business practices mean little because their target demographic consists mostly of men who are so challenged that they chat with smoking-hot teens with whom they have no chance. Given this, failure is inevitable. The marriages to AD girls mean little, as well, because these capable men could have found wives anywhere.

At the end of the day, success or failure comes down to what the parties bring to the table, not on which agency takes their money.

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on April 02, 2013, 09:20:07 PM
Considering that AD does not charge several thousand dollars for a man to successfully get married, they need to earn their fees somehow.  Men are charged for an opportunity; there are no guarantees.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on April 02, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
AJ, Jone et al,

You are dancing all around this topic but you've disregarded the most important point: the vast majority of the major IMB's customers lack the experience, the intelligence, the social skills and the financial strength to get themselves an FSU bride from any source. Conversely, bride-searchers with experience, intelligence, social skills and financial strength can and do find brides anywhere.

AD has arguably the poorest reputation in the business but a few men have still managed to marry some of their girls. In reality, the reports of shady business practices mean little because their target demographic consists mostly of men who are so challenged that they chat with smoking-hot teens with whom they have no chance. Given this, failure is inevitable. The marriages to AD girls mean little, as well, because these capable men could have found wives anywhere.

At the end of the day, success or failure comes down to what the parties bring to the table, not on which agency takes their money.

Tom,

Ultimately, I have to agree with you.  That is why there are so few examples of men who marry women from Anastasia Date on the website.  Those who are socially or financially challenged will probably not win the hand of the woman.  And those who are sophisticated enough to beat the system would not want to put their faces with such an endeavor.  I was caught by the eye candy, initially.  I hunted in this forest because I already had experience here.  There are so many different options of where to find women.  As my old schoolmate would say 'it's what you know'.

While the men from lower financial strata or lower social sets will come spend their money as if throwing it away at an un-winnable county fair game, the true losers are the women.  They are teased with money and pictures and promos.  Many of them, in spite of the ethics involved or money received, still want to marry a western man.  They will be used up and spit out by the great money machine.  Their profiles probably will live on and on unless specifically requested to be removed.  And the image online that is shared is much better than reality because it is photo shopped and enhanced. 


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 03, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly?  Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking?
You make assumptions about other people and hold your self to be some supper arbitrator of any one who considers a dating a woman from another culture. As the most recent example your snide comments directed to Barbossa's partner.

A certain amount of logic dictates certain probabilities. Either she knew and is complicit, therefore a liar, or she didn't know and is just too naive for a Ukrainian girl that isn't a little dim. Those comments were not snide.


Still trying? - Please give it up - do you want me to reference further back to your (all)most ASO comments? 

You are so washed up there is an understanding who you are.

Yes you can make positive input but it is limited when you do not think.

Perhaps stop being the parrot?

Ade, My impression you are decent guy (chap) put on thinking boots. Av

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, with the gibberish that those fingers of yours manage to type sometimes, I really have to wonder if you've spent a little too long in one of them Amsterdam Coffee shops sampling smoke, if you know what I mean   :-X
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on April 03, 2013, 12:43:07 AM
(untrue story)

I have a girlfriend, we are planning to be married. She works with a mafiya outfit, their main business is selling drugs, her job is to do the accounting for the business, she collects the money and pays the street level dealers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, she is not a drug dealer, she thinks selling drugs is wrong, she promised me she had never sold drugs and I believe her.

It will be good to take her out of that environment and make an honest woman of her.

lol. Precisely.

Of course, there will be many men here that will think that way. In fact, this thread seems to be a case in point.

Could you 2 please get a private room? To see all this sucking is embarrassing in public.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on April 03, 2013, 12:45:43 AM

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, with the gibberish that those fingers of yours manage to type sometimes, I really have to wonder if you've spent a little too long in one of them Amsterdam Coffee shops sampling smoke, if you know what I mean   :-X

Funny thing is when I read about your self styled  "RAPIER WIT" the only thing I can see is F....WIT!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 03, 2013, 01:23:24 AM

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, with the gibberish that those fingers of yours manage to type sometimes, I really have to wonder if you've spent a little too long in one of them Amsterdam Coffee shops sampling smoke, if you know what I mean   :-X

Funny thing is when I read about your self styled  "RAPIER WIT" the only thing I can see is F....WIT!! :chuckle:

From you, of course that is a compliment.  tiphat
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 03, 2013, 04:48:13 AM
Bill & Bill,

Sorry not to get back earlier regarding the foto that was posted by 2TallBill, Oksana is a model from Rivne.

My "relationship" with her is described in Again to Kiev   
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=14513.0  replies # 4 to 28

& an update in Back to The Ukraine, for what it is worth Stirlitz said she was beautiful when he met her.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=15856.0  reply #199

Here is a foto of Oksana.



Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 03, 2013, 04:58:46 AM
AJ, Jone et al,

You are dancing all around this topic but you've disregarded the most important point: the vast majority of the major IMB's customers lack the experience, the intelligence, the social skills and the financial strength to get themselves an FSU bride from any source. Conversely, bride-searchers with experience, intelligence, social skills and financial strength can and do find brides anywhere.

AD has arguably the poorest reputation in the business but a few men have still managed to marry some of their girls. In reality, the reports of shady business practices mean little because their target demographic consists mostly of men who are so challenged that they chat with smoking-hot teens with whom they have no chance. Given this, failure is inevitable. The marriages to AD girls mean little, as well, because these capable men could have found wives anywhere.

At the end of the day, success or failure comes down to what the parties bring to the table, not on which agency takes their money.

Tom,

Ultimately, I have to agree with you.  That is why there are so few examples of men who marry women from Anastasia Date on the website.  Those who are socially or financially challenged will probably not win the hand of the woman.  And those who are sophisticated enough to beat the system would not want to put their faces with such an endeavor.  I was caught by the eye candy, initially.  I hunted in this forest because I already had experience here.  There are so many different options of where to find women.  As my old schoolmate would say 'it's what you know'.

While the men from lower financial strata or lower social sets will come spend their money as if throwing it away at an un-winnable county fair game, the true losers are the women.  They are teased with money and pictures and promos.  Many of them, in spite of the ethics involved or money received, still want to marry a western man.  They will be used up and spit out by the great money machine.  Their profiles probably will live on and on unless specifically requested to be removed.  And the image online that is shared is much better than reality because it is photo shopped and enhanced. 




Barbossa & Tom, Make valuable points. The reality is most likely the so-called 5% rules also applies to RUA and other such sites. Only 5% of the men who CONSIDER this adventure ever visit us. Add in the name calling and few will participate on a forum such as RUA. Av
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Muzh_1 on April 03, 2013, 08:16:05 AM
Why do you think I have "dodgy principles" exactly?  Because I don't scam people? Because I try to point out the flaws in other people's thinking?
You make assumptions about other people and hold your self to be some supper arbitrator of any one who considers a dating a woman from another culture. As the most recent example your snide comments directed to Barbossa's partner.

A certain amount of logic dictates certain probabilities. Either she knew and is complicit, therefore a liar, or she didn't know and is just too naive for a Ukrainian girl that isn't a little dim. Those comments were not snide.


Still trying? - Please give it up - do you want me to reference further back to your (all)most ASO comments? 

You are so washed up there is an understanding who you are.

Yes you can make positive input but it is limited when you do not think.

Perhaps stop being the parrot?

Ade, My impression you are decent guy (chap) put on thinking boots. Av

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, with the gibberish that those fingers of yours manage to type sometimes, I really have to wonder if you've spent a little too long in one of them Amsterdam Coffee shops sampling smoke, if you know what I mean   :-X

Hey, hey, hey. Don't kick the samples.  :smokin:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 03, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
Ade, I dunno what is up with AvHdB of late.

I can see exactly what you mean, it ain't hard to understand, no rocket science here.

The two options that you presented apply to any person in the situation portrayed by several posters here.

My takeaway from those who managed to 'make an honest woman' of these women working in the environment portrayed is this:
The guys would not have met these women if they had not been working in the environment in which they were.
The women were working in the environment and, unless dumb as a box of rocks would have known exactly what they were participating in.
As a result of the womens' paid participation relationships grew up.
It is hard, if these guys are to be beleived, to see how this is bad and it is also hard to see how the business goals of the employer were not met.

If what we are told is correct then it is a GOOD THING for which AnastasisDate should be thanked. They should be encouraged to pay women to work at communicating with blokes because it enables people to meet who would never have otherwise met.

On reflection I am finding it hard to understand the attitude of some posters here who have 'made an honest woman' of some of these workers. In the context their attitudes seem somewhat conflicted.

Whether any given person would want to be engaged with a person who works in such a manner is a matter best left for those couples involved. I know where I stand on the matter but that's my business and comes down to our own individual moral and ethical perspective. (and maybe how desperate one might be to compromise when driven to attain a given goal).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on April 03, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
On reflection I am finding it hard to understand the attitude of some posters here who have 'made an honest woman' of some of these workers. In the context their attitudes seem somewhat conflicted.

I’m finding it hard to understand why guys like you, Ade and TomT even visit this site, let alone contribute. Ya'll ever thought of starting your own forum where you could preen and embellish each other uninterrupted?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 03, 2013, 09:20:32 AM
I’m finding it hard to understand why guys like you, Ade and TomT even visit this site, let alone contribute. Ya'll ever thought of starting your own forum where you could preen and embellish each other uninterrupted?

Others find it hard to understand why sex tourists take time out from their charitable endeavors to tap out the odd quip.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 03, 2013, 09:21:23 AM
You got something to say Vinny or just making no-mark noises again?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 03, 2013, 09:30:13 AM
I’m finding it hard to understand why guys like you, Ade and TomT even visit this site, let alone contribute. Ya'll ever thought of starting your own forum where you could preen and embellish each other uninterrupted?

Others find it hard to understand why sex tourists take time out from their charitable endeavors to tap out the odd quip.

If I am not mistaken Vinny clearly asked to stop the reference to him as a sex tourist. No one provided any proof when he asked for it so maybe we can try to stay closer to the question of the thread.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on April 03, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
I don’t think these ‘others’ were referring to me Av but given the choice between being a married member and spending all my time here trolling, or being a sex tourist, I’d reach for my wallet every time. :-X
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 03, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
My view of AD is that they are a company that has very skillfully exploited a market. Undoubtedly, some of the products that they are selling have not been represented correctly. This is hardly a precedent because women rarely represent their products accurately either, with or without a marriage agency involved.

If I had to give an opinion about whether or not this is a scam, I would have to answer in the affirmative. If I had to give an opinion about whether or not they are "real," I would have to answer in the affirmative also. Based on a guesstimate of a 1% "success" rate, this suggests that there is a whole lot more of the former going on than the latter. The confounding factor, however, is that there is no way to know the percentage of the men that bring/brought failure upon themselves.

All of that aside, the large agencies are most useful for viewing a large database of who might or might not be available. If an astute bride-hunter finds a woman there who catches his eye, he would be doing himself a favor by searching for her on social networks.   
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 03, 2013, 09:53:51 AM
If I am not mistaken Vinny clearly asked to stop the reference to him as a sex tourist. No one provided any proof when he asked for it so maybe we can try to stay closer to the question of the thread.

Vinny knows where the Report-to-Moderator button is located.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on April 03, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
My takeaway from those who managed to 'make an honest woman' of these women working in the environment portrayed is this:
The guys would not have met these women if they had not been working in the environment in which they were.
The women were working in the environment and, unless dumb as a box of rocks would have known exactly what they were participating in.

I can only comment for myself and my situation of course, but the whole "making her honest woman" is hilarious. It sounds like you are a preacher  (Av mentioned this up thread) and are intent on converting those gone astray. My wife is the same person since she worked at an agency and I would not change anything about her. She was fully aware of what was occurring and what was involved.

She was paid to chat and write letters during the end of her 5 years at the agency. She did have some involvement in other aspects like photo shoots for the women, handing out money, etc. Does she feel bad about certain things that were done, absolutely. Most of what she did like acting as the translator on dates was perfectly fine. We have discussed everything many times and have even spoken to legal counsel.


As a result of the womens' paid participation relationships grew up.

If what we are told is correct then it is a GOOD THING for which AnastasisDate should be thanked. They should be encouraged to pay women to work at communicating with blokes because it enables people to meet who would never have otherwise met.

In the context their attitudes seem somewhat conflicted.

I would also like to personally thank Pablo Escobar for the money he donated to build schools for his community.
We should praise him for all the work he has done for the locals by hiring campesinos to grow the coca and maintain the infrastructure as well as the jobs for the hit men, drug runners, and dealers.

But, you are correct, we did meet because of AD (even though we bypassed the system). I did meet the woman of my dreams through the site so yes, my wife and I both have conflicted thoughts on it. We both laugh about it every day.

Whether any given person would want to be engaged with a person who works in such a manner is a matter best left for those couples involved. I know where I stand on the matter but that's my business and comes down to our own individual moral and ethical perspective. (and maybe how desperate one might be to compromise when driven to attain a given goal).

Everyone has a different set of morals and view as to what is right and wrong. If you cannot accept or are unwilling to overlook and forgive certain things about your partner then you obviously should not be involved. You may do certain things I find reprehensible and I may have done things in my past that will probably shock you. Personally I tend to distrust people who say they do no wrong and are superior to others. They are usually hiding something much worse. A desperate person is dangerous and will cause people to do things they normally would not. I try to stay away from people like this.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: sashathecat on April 03, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
My view of AD is that they are a company that has very skillfully exploited a market. Undoubtedly, some of the products that they are selling have not been represented correctly.

If I had to give an opinion about whether or not this is a scam, I would have to answer in the affirmative. If I had to give an opinion about whether or not they are "real," I would have to answer in the affirmative also. Based on a guesstimate of a 1% "success" rate, this suggests that there is a whole lot more of the former going on than the latter. The confounding factor, however, is that there is no way to know the percentage of the men that bring/brought failure upon themselves.

And that is basically it.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on April 03, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
Good post Tom, well done.

The market that you refer to is largely brought about because of the almost none existent consumer protection laws in the states closely followed by ‘your’ lack of investigative media. It is no coincidence that Aweb and the like operate from over the pond and largely targets its own citizens.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Vinnvinny on April 03, 2013, 10:07:01 AM
Vinny knows where the Report-to-Moderator button is located.

Arrrh, that's for pussies.  :8)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2013, 10:39:30 AM
On reflection I am finding it hard to understand the attitude of some posters here who have 'made an honest woman' of some of these workers. In the context their attitudes seem somewhat conflicted.

I’m finding it hard to understand why guys like you, Ade and TomT even visit this site, let alone contribute. Ya'll ever thought of starting your own forum where you could preen and embellish each other uninterrupted?

+1.   :ROFL:   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 03, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
AJ, Jone et al,
You are dancing all around this topic but you've disregarded the most important point:
....

TomT-
 of course I generally  agree with your general assessments of AD ,or other large agencies

I never danced around anything at all, or missed the points you are referring to  ,
 as I never addressed them,nor intended to.

I made no moral or ethical judgement, in my original comment i actually made no issue about the  business being scam or not.

I simply  presented one point ,i fairly well known one, that  was challenged by a member with zero experience.
All the other twists and turns were mostly debate  deflection by a poster infamous for it.

Whether the girls paid, are moral or ethical individuals, simply  has nothing to do with the percentage that are paid to chat.
Whether I , Sasha. are basically ethical purists or not, is equally irrelevant to the percentages paid to vid chat.

I kept at a narrow scope for a reason TomT.
because that is all i commented on ,and the exact point andrew challenged.
He wants to challenge without substance, he is welcome to.
I'll continue to stand behind what i stated,since it was based on direct experience and a great more due diligence than andrew has done.

I did not present that point,  for any reason other than for readers to understand that particular narrow scope of the large agencies.
If the men you describe wouldn't benefit from that understanding, that's fine.
I felt someone might , so seemed worth the initial post


the rest following was admittedly just to fluff andrews obviously sagging I-ego.
 :chuckle:

If he somehow beats anyone  in internet debate, no matter by what means,
or shows them to be of lesser ethical standard than his own, he feels fantastic i'm sure!!
The longer the debate lasts, the more accomplished he feels at making his *point*,
 whether misguided or not.
 I'm  a  humanitarian at heart,  so just helping my fellow man out.
 ;D

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on April 03, 2013, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: andrefi
As a result of the womens' paid participation relationships grew up.

If what we are told is correct then it is a GOOD THING for which AnastasisDate should be thanked. They should be encouraged to pay women to work at communicating with blokes because it enables people to meet who would never have otherwise met.

In the context their attitudes seem somewhat conflicted.

Well, this seems to be aimed primarily at me, sasha and barbosasa?did you have any others in mind?
 If so to me, your skills at deductive reasoning seem  lacking there in this case.
and you also seem to be amusingly back pedaling at a rather furious rate!
After all who was it that stated so boldlyto the best of your knowledge Aweb does not pay vid chat girls.

Who is conflicted?

Ok, for fun now, what attitude did i display that is conflicted ?
 I said the majority of vid chat girls are paid. That would be greater than 51% .
I really never delved into the ethics or morality or whether it was a good or bad thing.
It was made as a simple statement. all the rest has been your deflection for the most part.

So please quote were I stated something conflicted on the topic?
Did I state  Aweb ,or any of the big agencies did me a disservice in anyway?
No. I did not.
Regarding relationships growing from it..
Did I not specifically,up thread,  point out that a vid chat girl , paid to do so, could easily be seriously willing to meet a foreign man?   and asked if  there possibly a job with more opportunity to interact daily and routinely? or if  there a way a typical woman in Ukraine could reasonably spend more hours getting acquainted with foreign men?

As far as ethics debate,  it certainly seems a separate subject in this context,is it not?

Andrew, I'd still gladly buy you a beer in Tallin if there ,regardless whether you think the percentages vid chat girls paid is 0-40%, and I think its between 51-99%.
 :chuckle:

So i'd imagine you could leave sideways remarks towards my, or my wife's character,
 ethics or alleged desperate state, were they would rightfully belong if we were having a drink together. ( unspoken , and in your head )
Then I'll do the same in return. ;)






Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
He doesn't want a beer, he wants a box of krispy kreme donuts!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on April 03, 2013, 09:48:59 PM
I’m finding it hard to understand why guys like you, Ade and TomT even visit this site, let alone contribute. Ya'll ever thought of starting your own forum where you could preen and embellish each other uninterrupted?

Others find it hard to understand why sex tourists take time out from their charitable endeavors to tap out the odd quip.

 Whatever -- you should be confined to private room with Andrew and Ade --you guys do so much sucking to each other it is nauseating.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on April 03, 2013, 10:00:10 PM
Could you 2 please get a private room? To see all this sucking is embarrassing in public.

With your wealth of current experience, surely you have more to add to the discussion than the above.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Paul on April 04, 2013, 03:07:44 AM
He doesn't want a beer, he wants a box of krispy kreme donuts!   :thumbsup:

Said the guy who has never used a picture of himself on this website. No bells to ring, Hunch Ant?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 04, 2013, 03:16:21 AM
He doesn't want a beer, he wants a box of krispy kreme donuts!   :thumbsup:

Said the guy who has never used a picture of himself on this website. No bells to ring, Hunch Ant?  :chuckle:

Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella. It's his personality that's the problem.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 04, 2013, 03:18:44 AM
Now, THAT was a troll, and Ant fell for it on several levels. ;)

Let us see who else falls into the net.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 04, 2013, 03:56:06 AM
He doesn't want a beer, he wants a box of krispy kreme donuts!   :thumbsup:

Said the guy who has never used a picture of himself on this website. No bells to ring, Hunch Ant?  :chuckle:

Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella. It's his personality that's the problem.

Troll or not, one of the best comments from Ade ever!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jamaica_live on April 04, 2013, 04:05:25 AM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 04, 2013, 04:43:17 AM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:

It was passed in confidence but with eyes like that I'm sure he'll be more than happy to provide you with a copy. But you know what they say, don't fall in love with a picture.  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 04, 2013, 04:47:23 AM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:

Jam, I would not hold your breath.
Title: Re: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Martok on April 04, 2013, 06:16:17 AM
It's one of the worst dating websites one can use.
Yes the worst, equally with allsinglerussiangirls/datingandmatchmaking.

Anastasia.com is THE worst dating site. It's expensive, and scam.
Allsinglerussiangirls.com i have to disagree... i found it to be the most respectable actually. I can telll... i found my wife there.
Price is acceptable and girks are real. I met a few from there and spoke with many...

sent from my Galay Note II using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
He doesn't want a beer, he wants a box of krispy kreme donuts!   :thumbsup:

Said the guy who has never used a picture of himself on this website. No bells to ring, Hunch Ant?  :chuckle:

It was obviously a joke.  In the other thread Andrew said he would bet a "12 box of Krispy Kreme donuts".  If you had a remote sense of humor you might of thought of that.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2013, 11:22:26 AM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:

It was passed in confidence but with eyes like that I'm sure he'll be more than happy to provide you with a copy. But you know what they say, don't fall in love with a picture.  :)

Who sent you a photo?  Are you sure it's me?  Could be a photo of a male model I posted.   :king: :duh:

Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 04, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:

It was passed in confidence but with eyes like that I'm sure he'll be more than happy to provide you with a copy. But you know what they say, don't fall in love with a picture.  :)

Who sent you a photo?  Are you sure it's me?  Could be a photo of a male model I posted.   :king: :duh:

Who said I was sent a photo?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on April 04, 2013, 01:00:45 PM
Quote
Ant is a physically fit, good looking fella.
So where is a pic?  :knit:

It was passed in confidence but with eyes like that I'm sure he'll be more than happy to provide you with a copy. But you know what they say, don't fall in love with a picture.  :)

Who sent you a photo?  Are you sure it's me?  Could be a photo of a male model I posted.   :king: :duh:

Who said I was sent a photo?

Hope Jam is still breathing.  :scared0005:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: mhr7 on April 04, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
After looking at Adate for a few nights it would seem that Zaporozhye might be a new ( or not) spot for crooked agencies. I seem to get a disproportionate number of chat invites from that city. More so than in the past anyway.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rosco on April 04, 2013, 02:09:21 PM
After looking at Adate for a few nights it would seem that Zaporozhye might be a new ( or not) spot for crooked agencies. I seem to get a disproportionate number of chat invites from that city.

I dated a girl from that dump once. She admitted to being a pro dater and thought she was only helping out a friends business, whilst she grasped the opportunity to potentially meet Mr Right.

Had a great time but a complete head fcuk trying to manage my feelings for a girl I couldn't trust. We fell for each other but rather predictably it became complicated.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 04, 2013, 11:40:20 PM
After looking at Adate for a few nights it would seem that Zaporozhye might be a new ( or not) spot for crooked agencies. I seem to get a disproportionate number of chat invites from that city.

I dated a girl from that dump once. She admitted to being a pro dater and thought she was only helping out a friends business, whilst she grasped the opportunity to potentially meet Mr Right.

Had a great time but a complete head fcuk trying to manage my feelings for a girl I couldn't trust. We fell for each other but rather predictably it became complicated.

It takes a liar to know one huh? At least you had that advantage not like one of the other poor saps that fall for the long con, hook line and sinker.  :)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: rosco on April 05, 2013, 12:52:43 AM
Yea it was a real help on this occasion, I was a fortunate little liar.

Everything alright at home?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ade on April 05, 2013, 01:02:30 AM
Yea it was a real help on this occasion, I was a fortunate little liar.

Everything alright at home?

:laugh: Yes, that silly little inference always seems to turn up eventually.

But everything is great, thanks for asking.  tiphat
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on April 08, 2013, 08:54:29 AM
Good Lord...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I52PUKd77ZA#!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jamaica_live on April 08, 2013, 09:19:36 AM
Good Lord...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I52PUKd77ZA#!
Oh, I love it!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on April 08, 2013, 09:21:21 AM
Good Lord...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I52PUKd77ZA#!
Oh, I love it!  :ROFL:

I looked at her photos on Twitter and didn't see Kevin Costner anywhere  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on April 23, 2013, 03:57:42 AM
46 pages that I did not want to see get lost.Relevant info to other threads.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Bud E on April 24, 2013, 05:12:57 PM

                                      CONSUMER ALERT:

   Please Avoid AnastasiaDate! - Do Not do any business with these scammers.  Anastasia started Foreign International Dating during the early 1990's and these are the very same hucksters that have thrashed this entire Industry now.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on April 24, 2013, 05:18:14 PM

                                      CONSUMER ALERT:

   Please Avoid AnastasiaDate! - Do Not do any business with these scammers.  Anastasia started Foreign International Dating during the early 1990's and these are the very same hucksters that have thrashed this entire Industry now.

What exactly is your experience as a customer of the company?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AJ on May 11, 2013, 01:36:15 PM

                                      CONSUMER ALERT:

   Please Avoid AnastasiaDate! - Do Not do any business with these scammers.  Anastasia started Foreign International Dating during the early 1990's and these are the very same hucksters that have thrashed this entire Industry now.

What exactly is your experience as a customer of the company?


Are you implying andrew, that his is the same level as yours?
zero?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: JayH on May 11, 2013, 04:55:20 PM

                                      CONSUMER ALERT:

   Please Avoid AnastasiaDate! - Do Not do any business with these scammers.  Anastasia started Foreign International Dating during the early 1990's and these are the very same hucksters that have thrashed this entire Industry now.

What exactly is your experience as a customer of the company?

While we are at it-- Andrew-- What exactly is your experience of the company?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: kristinaffm on June 06, 2013, 08:01:34 AM
Scam! There are too many negative reviews on Anastasia Date around the WEB.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Ladine on June 06, 2013, 08:10:49 AM
yes. Site Anastasia - scam. i have partner link anastasia. but i not work with this link
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: jim22 on June 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
so to add one more, have been member over 1 year, not any more. this site is only to make money, man should pay everything and all very sky high prices! reply from site when saying about prices is like "pay 400USD get -50%" so called "bargain"

when started it was possible to send gift to lady with some 50credits that to be little more moderate price, but not anymore, now very sky high prices on everything. then came service that man can read first letter from lady free and also send one free. then this was taken away, so only to read first for free. and again just to make more money for the site. can not give email on letter or chat. was mostly writing with only one girl, must pay to send and read for each letter! then called one 10min expensive call where could give email, letter by letter to translator since lady not talked english. before that asked lady to send her email twice by letter post, it never came. gave my email on phone and reply email never came. was hard to understand why, since lady had(?!) my email and could write all russian and lady even said to have pc at home. but it is just all scam!!!

did not lost fortune, but too much anyway. was trying to see, is it all just scam and like for most men when there is thousands of very nice looking girls, before you know, you are paying...that is the idea to make it working and more money...
when closing asked about negative comments that have read from many places. soon there was copy paste replys like "negative comments are from our competitors" and they check all ladys very well, provide 24h/7 help chat etc. but all the service being just scam.

so only thing is that you will loose your money and get nothing, this one more bad experience to add to the long list of negative comments about this site. so want to save your money? avoid it!


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on June 08, 2013, 04:11:42 PM
Hi Jim,

Welcome to RUA - you can find out more info about how to proceed if you are seeking a partner from the former Soviet Union. Ask questions and read threads.

Kindly Av
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on June 08, 2013, 04:15:40 PM
Jim,

All good advice from you.  Spend a moment and introduce yourself.  If you are really serious about finding an FSUW, then you will find yourself among friends and can learn much.  Most of us here have come together because of such experiences that you wrote about.  Many have gone on to have successful relationships with the help of the knowledge gained from this forum.

I am no exception.

Again, welcome aboard.

Barbossa
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 08, 2013, 04:24:19 PM

                                      CONSUMER ALERT:

   Please Avoid AnastasiaDate! - Do Not do any business with these scammers.  Anastasia started Foreign International Dating during the early 1990's and these are the very same hucksters that have thrashed this entire Industry now.

What exactly is your experience as a customer of the company?


Are you implying andrew, that his is the same level as yours?
zero?

 :laugh:  :chuckle:  :laugh:  :nod:  :laugh:  ;D  :chuckle:

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing024.gif)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: andrewfi on June 08, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
Bill, if somebody were to call you an idiot, or something worse, it would not be unreasonable to ask the basis of that person's imputation. It wouldn't much matter whether I agreed with him or not. Same here, and, if I remember correctly, the poster never did tell us the basis for his claim.

Bill, a little thought is a wonderful thing and can often stop us from seeming to be idiots or worse.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on June 08, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Bill, if somebody were to call you an idiot, or something worse, it would not be unreasonable to ask the basis of that person's imputation. It wouldn't much matter whether I agreed with him or not. Same here, and, if I remember correctly, the poster never did tell us the basis for his claim.

Bill, a little thought is a wonderful thing and can often stop us from seeming to be idiots or worse.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=19004.msg317733#msg317733

The guy spent $25,000 with the company.  That was his basis for experience.  Perhaps that could also be the source of his imputation?  (Why confuse yourself with the facts?)   

So, on one side, we have a guy who has spent $25,000 as a customer of this agency.  And on the other side we have a guy who has never been a customer of theirs questioning what knowledge he has of the company. 

I readily concede that spending $25k on a website and having nothing to show for it is pretty stupid, but then so is a guy who contests his experience with no direct experience of his own.


Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 08, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
The guy spent $25,000 with the company.  That was his basis for experience.  Perhaps that could also be the source of his imputation?  (Why confuse yourself with the facts?)   

If a man sent $25,000 to a Nigerian scammer, does the experience make him knowledgeable about Africa?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on June 08, 2013, 10:03:54 PM
Okay, let's examine Tom's brilliant analogy here. 

A guy spends 25K writing letters and using the website every day.  He'd have to be a VIP of VIPs to spend so much money (from my own personal experience which is documented elsewhere on this forum).  He'd interact every day with women or scammers or whoever is on the other end of his amorous pursuit.  Presumably he'd know how to write letters, get responses, send presents, talk in chat and know the features of the website.  How else would he be able to spend his credits?

Andrewfi has done NONE of these things.

So Tom comes in here and offers the brilliant analogy that such wasteful spending is like sending money to a Nigerian scammer while not knowing anything about Africa.  I would assume his inference is that Africa is like the website.    Or perhaps his analogy is that Africa is like the women that he was trying to pursue?  In either case, the analogy is false because our hero could not spend his money unless he was interacting with both the website and the operator on the other end.

Ultimately, Tom is trying to infer that because the man was scammed he had no understanding of the object of his desire.  But, wait!  A Nigerian email targets a 'Mark's' greediness, not his interest in Africa.  The correct analogy would have been "Does an experience, interacting with a Nigerian scammer, make a person knowledgeable about making money?"

Tom, many times you show brilliance.  This effort was not among them. 

However, I would (presumably) agree with you that this 'Mark' knows absolutely squat about finding and dating women.  If he did, he would have recognized the scam after his first couple of efforts and stopped.  Instead, he kept on throwing down more money.  Experienced he is.  Smart he is not.

It still makes him much more experienced than Andy at interacting with ADate.

Our old pal Ben Franklin said:  'Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn at no other."
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on June 08, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
The guy spent $25,000 with the company.  That was his basis for experience.  Perhaps that could also be the source of his imputation?  (Why confuse yourself with the facts?)   

If a man sent $25,000 to a Nigerian scammer, does the experience make him knowledgeable about Africa?

IDK, if a guy spends 100K on his divorce to a woman from Moscow, does it make him an expert on all things related to Moscow?
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on June 08, 2013, 10:26:21 PM
Okay, let's examine Tom's brilliant analogy here. 

Knock yourself out.


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Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Barbossa on June 08, 2013, 10:32:40 PM
Okay, let's examine Tom's brilliant analogy here. 

If a man shoots himself in the foot, and eventually has it amputated due to gangrene, does this make him knowledgeable about surgery?

I hope that you like that one better.

People ought to take responsibility for their foolish actions, no?

My analogy is the little boy who goes to the county fair, sure he can win the big prize.  No matter how many times he plunks down that quarter, he still doesn't know how to win the game.  Because by playing by the house rules, he will always lose, unless through blind luck he manages to get the Kewpie Doll.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Crusader on June 08, 2013, 11:46:13 PM
SCAM! 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Bruce Lee on June 09, 2013, 12:27:55 AM
The guy spent $25,000 with the company.  That was his basis for experience.  Perhaps that could also be the source of his imputation?  (Why confuse yourself with the facts?)   

So, on one side, we have a guy who has spent $25,000 as a customer of this agency.  And on the other side we have a guy who has never been a customer of theirs questioning what knowledge he has of the company. 
With the information that member provided the only experience that this guy (BudE) could possibly offer is how to spend a vast amount of money and have nothing to show for it - like a gambler who consistently loses!!

However, it would be my feeling that the member in question got exactly what he was looking for when he was spending his "hard earned" - it would be difficult to conceive that he hadn't noticed he was getting nowhere but just kept on shelling out coin day after day!! And I have no doubts that the company felt that they gave him good value for money as well - as far as they were concerned they provided him with $25,000 worth of fantasy and sweaty palms every night!!!

I would suggest that we can only really determine the quality of his experience if he was being honest with us - also I recall he mentioned that he had recovered the funds - yeah right!!!!

but I recovered all!
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Anteros on November 23, 2013, 04:37:14 PM
The title is:  Anastasia Date, scam or real?

I think it really depends on the man's expectations.  He can go on a date with many of the women if he has deep pockets.  Will the relationship lead to marriage?  I would say in most cases no, although we have Sashathecat, AJ, and previous poster Kievstar who all married A. Date women. 

That said here is my favorite profile for this week.  I don't think she's of age to get married yet, but a jetsetter from NYC or London, younger than 30, might have the time of his life with her!!


http://www.anastasiadate.com/profile-young-lady-elina-1553185.htm
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treadmilldude on February 16, 2016, 12:58:54 PM
Here is a general rule that, sadly, holds true more often than not:

If you write to a drop-dead gorgeous girl and she ignores you, she is sincere.
If she responds, she is a scammer.

The moral of this story is that we guarantee our failure by the choices that we make.

Really good post Tom. Succinct yet totally accurate.

In my experience, ADate is not 95% scammers 5% authentic girls. Rather, 98% scammers 2% authentic girls. For this reason, I would never recommend anyone to ever use ADate / RussianBrides

1) VK 2) Eduard 3) Mordinsons in Kharkov  are what I would recommend    Eduard is probably the very best method, and in the end the fastest, cheapest only guaranteed-to-work method. If I was advising anyone and I could only advise one source, it would be Eduard. In the end, in my heart, I am pretty sure I will use Eduard and not Mordinson's. With Mordinson's, there might be a 2% chance of failure. With Eduard, IMO there is a 0% chance of failure, if you are like me, completely satisfied finding a wonderful, loving caring woman who is a 7, but a very kind, loving, faithful 7.

I might add, IMHO, it is a mistake to look for women who are only 9's and 10's. I would advise to look for mainly 7's, and every once-in-awhile an 8. But 90% of the time look for a 7.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on February 16, 2016, 01:16:53 PM
Here is a general rule that, sadly, holds true more often than not:

If you write to a drop-dead gorgeous girl and she ignores you, she is sincere.
If she responds, she is a scammer.

The moral of this story is that we guarantee our failure by the choices that we make.
Really good post Tom. Succinct yet totally accurate.

How do you think that this relates to a Ukrainian girl with "Victoria's Secret caliber legs and stomach?"
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: treadmilldude on February 16, 2016, 01:25:44 PM
Your memory is failing you Tom. Go back and read what I wrote about Alisa (the 9, VS caliber legs and stomach) relative to what I wrote about Marina (the 7) and why right now I am communicating much more with Marina (the 7).
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Mr strange on February 16, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
Your memory is failing you Tom. Go back and read what I wrote about Alisa (the 9, VS caliber legs and stomach) relative to what I wrote about Marina (the 7) and why right now I am communicating much more with Marina (the 7).

No you write to Marina because it what feels mostly right for this point in time. Sure she is attractive but beauty is never lasting for life or ever. It is her feelings and heart for you that is the key to the success here.

By the way again the mindset of putting girls in boxes for how hot they are is really only a sign of your self image not being able to get you to a 9 and be happy for life.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: TomT on February 16, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
Your memory is failing you Tom. Go back and read what I wrote about Alisa (the 9, VS caliber legs and stomach) relative to what I wrote about Marina (the 7) and why right now I am communicating much more with Marina (the 7).

My sanity is failing also; I'm hallucinating that you wrote about her legs wrapped around you all night long. 
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Gipsy on February 17, 2016, 12:09:56 AM
Your memory is failing you Tom. Go back and read what I wrote about Alisa (the 9, VS caliber legs and stomach) relative to what I wrote about Marina (the 7) and why right now I am communicating much more with Marina (the 7).

Ladies are NOT numbers, they are human beings just like the rest of us.. :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Boris on February 23, 2016, 04:17:30 PM
Your memory is failing you Tom. Go back and read what I wrote about Alisa (the 9, VS caliber legs and stomach) relative to what I wrote about Marina (the 7) and why right now I am communicating much more with Marina (the 7).

Ladies are NOT numbers, they are human beings just like the rest of us.. :coffeeread:

Though I would agree are you sure you are on the right forum :-)
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Matched4life on February 24, 2019, 05:07:58 PM
Not pointing fingers at any site (since I met my fiancee online) but the rule is mainly to stay away from the sites who work with a PPL system (pay per letter).
Every message sent and received will cost credits (expensive ones), the majority of these messages come from operators who manage up to 10 profiles.
The girls on the profiles are being paid for their photo's and won't be in 90% of the cases the ones you are chatting with.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: AvHdB on February 24, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
 Welcome to RUA.

Please feel free to share more of your insights and impressions of the fSU.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: BillyB on February 24, 2019, 09:44:23 PM
Not pointing fingers at any site (since I met my fiancee online) but the rule is mainly to stay away from the sites who work with a PPL system (pay per letter).
Every message sent and received will cost credits (expensive ones), the majority of these messages come from operators who manage up to 10 profiles.
The girls on the profiles are being paid for their photo's and won't be in 90% of the cases the ones you are chatting with.

Pay to play sites are almost always bad with men trading love letters with Boris, the employee of the month. When a guy decides to visit a woman he thought he was writing to, she doesn't show up and if she shows up, she knows nothing about him although he spent months writing about himself and his interests. If she doesn't like the guy and most of the time she won't, she'll take him to a 5 star restaurant or shopping.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: dcguyusa on June 13, 2019, 05:23:27 PM
Find-bride is first and Elena's Models is last according to this review list.   :-\

https://russiandatingreviews.com/
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
Find-bride is first and Elena's Models is last according to this review list.   :-\

https://russiandatingreviews.com/

That site is probably ran by the pay to play sites.
Title: Re: Anastasia.com scam or real?
Post by: Steveboy on June 20, 2019, 07:17:07 AM
Find-bride is first and Elena's Models is last according to this review list.   :-\

https://russiandatingreviews.com/

That site is probably ran by the pay to play sites.

The site is a pile of shit.. certain sites they do not allow good reviews.. :laugh:

And certain sites they make good fake reviews..

Here is a typical fake review of our site:

Here comes the worst dating site out there. I joined this site a couple of months ago and my experience with it has been sour. The major thing that makes this site one to avoid at all costs is its location settings. I’m not sure if it is equipped with GPS in the first place. I have always been availed to members of faraway states from the state I am in. It is thus difficult to go on dates and meet them considering the transport cost. You therefore end up just chatting online while you desire a partner not far from the place you stay whom you can spend fun moments with.

GPS setting? Chatting to  some one local? Members of local states?? ******** Idiot Its a Russian dating site not a US dating site :laugh:

Dont trust any review sites .. they all create fake reviews I have even done myself a long time back..I used to worry about reviews but not any more.. hardly anyone reads them in any case, and even the very few that do its not with time loosing sleep about them..join or not join after reading a review your choice.. no need to make a big deal out of it!

I have the same attitude with any members who complain (Very very few) I just delete them immediately their subscription expires ... some times if Im tired of their nonsense I will refund them and delete them..

Funny thing is usually they re join and subscribe again.. ;D