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I was going to put this in ask a " 'Russian' woman " - but guys can't help themselves and jump in - so I'm asking in a general section
One school of thought:
Women dress to attract men - particularly FSUW
t'other
Women dress up to please themselves, first.
I'm in the second school of thought - based on most FSU W taking care of their appearance - even when going shopping - taking the kids to school. going out for a girls night out
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I was going to put this in ask a " 'Russian' woman " - but guys can't help themselves and jump in - so I'm asking in a general section
One school of thought:
Women dress to attract men - particularly FSUW
t'other
Women dress up to please themselves, first.
I'm in the second school of thought - based on most FSU W taking care of their appearance - even when going shopping - taking the kids to school. going out for a girls night out
My wife wears her heels even in the bath so Im not sure about the answer to that... :laugh:
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My wife wears her heels even in the bath so Im not sure about the answer to that... :laugh:
Hmm, must bear that in mind for a photo-session .... :chuckle:
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Women dress up to please themselves, first.
If you've ever spoken to a woman about this, they'll all say they dress for themselves or to show that they're prettier/better than other ladies (competition), it's rarely about the man but all about themselves, not that I complain.
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My wife says it is a sign of the Face of her man...
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For the average FSU woman it's a competition to look hot. For the average American woman it's a competition to look the opposite and then a competition to complain about any guy bold enough to want better. :chuckle:
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Equity theory posits that people seek balance in relationships and feel uncomfortable when their costs and benefits are out of balance. This theory applies to social relationships as well as to employment-related relationships. Since attractiveness is a quality that is highly valued by men, it is natural that women who seek to obtain or retain the best possible balanced relationship would try to increase their equity by making themselves as attractive as possible, irrespective of their culture.
Equity theory has been criticized as being too simplistic but the question of who women dress up for is more simplistic. When men answer such a question, they often reveal more about their attitudes toward women than about the attitudes of the women themselves. In any case, there is no practical value to overanalysis; she attracts you or she doesn't.
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Equity theory posits
Blah blah blah blah......
In any case, there is no practical value to overanalysis; she attracts you or she doesn't.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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It seems a logical answer to this question could be 'both.' No one wants to look unattractive, but I imagine that younger women are more concerned about how they appear to the opposite sex, whereas older ladies (presumably married) are probably more concerned with their appearances for personal reasons.
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Women dress up for men, OTHER WOMEN and themselves.
Women aren't all the same, different women do stuff for different reasons
and the same women do things for different reasons. More than a few women
will dress like a harlot when they are ovulating AND on the way to a party and
totally different during their periods on their way to work.
It's different strokes for different folks and different strokes for the same folks.
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Obnoxious deviants on skateboards would like to think so.
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In many ways this is psychology 101.
My wife says it is a sign of the Face of her man...
Indeed. She has a point. Shabby blokes attract shabby women.
What does a fat, slovenly woman in a tracksuit say about the guy? It tells the world that this is the best he can do, so he is of little value to anyone else on any level if he can't even snag a decent looking or groomed woman.
One bloke has Waynetta Slob on his arm, one has Melania. Which bloke will you think has his shit together?
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women dress to impress, or rather intimidate, other women.
men are an after thought
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
It appears that you might be in support of an application of equity theory that I hadn't considered.
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
I'd buy that, but I have always thought that it was one of the more obvious cultural observations that one might make.
Practical application and empirical support:
Last night we went to the ballet, decided to dress properly for the occasion as is the custom here. So, we have decent suit for myself and LBD for the lady. Afterwards we decided that beer, buffalo wings and spare ribs were the order of the day so we hied off to a brewpub popular with tourists in the old town. Place was as busy as usual on a Saturday night. Guess who got served first whenever required?
But isn't that normal? A prejudice that most of us hold and, sometimes, take advantage of?
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
I'd buy that, but I have always thought that it was one of the more obvious cultural observations that one might make.
Practical application and empirical support:
Last night we went to the ballet, decided to dress properly for the occasion as is the custom here. So, we have decent suit for myself and LBD for the lady. Afterwards we decided that beer, buffalo wings and spare ribs were the order of the day so we hied off to a brewpub popular with tourists in the old town. Place was as busy as usual on a Saturday night. Guess who got served first whenever required?
But isn't that normal? A prejudice that most of us hold and, sometimes, take advantage of?
Curious did you get as the busboy, a tip?
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
It appears that you might be in support of an application of equity theory that I hadn't considered.
I don't know what equity theory is :(
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Guys :). It's a societal pressure thing. If you look/dress poorly, you are more likely to be mistreated, you are not in control. Simple. :-*
I'd buy that, but I have always thought that it was one of the more obvious cultural observations that one might make.
It might be obvious, but it is truer than thinking that dressing up comes with specifically thinking about men or women or about oneself. In Russia it is very important what anyone thinks about you, it's a very judgmental culture, and fitting in is more important than in the West. It's practically unheard of having a complete stranger in the street saying something judgmental about you in the West, but could easily happen in Russia.
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Avhdb, please hold back from the pissed posting. OK, I get it, there's no hope for you. You are what you are, but you are becoming like the drunken uncle at family events. You can't stop him from being there but you just wish he could control himself.
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Avhdb, please hold back from the pissed posting. OK, I get it, there's no hope for you. You are what you are, but you are becoming like the drunken uncle at family events. You can't stop him from being there but you just wish he could control himself.
Strange, I had the same thought as AvHdB and was - as was probably the case with AvHdB, sober, too
Poor andrewfi - doesn't handle incoming that well ...
Is a Little Black Dress appropriate for Ballet ?....
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I don't know what equity theory is :(
If people don't get as much from a relationship as they give to it, there are usually consequences.
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What ever the reasons, I'm just glad they do.
Why Russian women wear stiletto heels
https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/326339-why-russian-women-wear-stiletto
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Avhdb, please hold back from the pissed posting. OK, I get it, there's no hope for you. You are what you are, but you are becoming like the drunken uncle at family events. You can't stop him from being there but you just wish he could control himself.
Strange, I had the same thought as AvHdB and was - as was probably the case with AvHdB, sober, too
Poor andrewfi - doesn't handle incoming that well ...
Is a Little Black Dress appropriate for Ballet ?....
You’re living proof that evolution can go in reverse.
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Avhdb, please hold back from the pissed posting. OK, I get it, there's no hope for you. You are what you are, but you are becoming like the drunken uncle at family events. You can't stop him from being there but you just wish he could control himself.
Strange, I had the same thought as AvHdB and was - as was probably the case with AvHdB, sober, too
Poor andrewfi - doesn't handle incoming that well ...
Is a Little Black Dress appropriate for Ballet ?....
You’re living proof that evolution can go in reverse.
:ROFL:
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Moby, the kind of dress that YOU might be able to consider might not be appropriate for the opening of a dustbin. We are not all as unfortunate as you.
Go do some learning and get back to us, at your leisure, preferably several months from now. There's a good boy.
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Avhdb, please hold back from the pissed posting. OK, I get it, there's no hope for you. You are what you are, but you are becoming like the drunken uncle at family events. You can't stop him from being there but you just wish he could control himself.
Strange, I had the same thought as AvHdB and was - as was probably the case with AvHdB, sober, too
Poor andrewfi - doesn't handle incoming that well ...
Is a Little Black Dress appropriate for Ballet ?....
You’re living proof that evolution can go in reverse.
:laugh: :laugh: tiphat
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Moby, the kind of dress that YOU might be able to consider might not be appropriate for the opening of a dustbin. We are not all as unfortunate as you.
Go do some learning and get back to us, at your leisure, preferably several months from now. There's a good boy.
To brighten your dull day.. as empirical data - in the form of images - has a habit of demonstrating your daftness..
SC an hour before the start of the F1 Russian Formula 1 GP
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/26743107016_e07a989591.jpg)
and dressed for a concert:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4490/37695653702_507b22aa13.jpg)
... As regular Ballet performance attendees *I* speak from experience.. but thanks for the latest instalment of "andrewfi's vision of Moby's life" ..
I'm quite fortunate in that the 'missus designs and makes her own dresses - and likes bright colours. Whilst they can be on the 'little' side - even she wears a longer dress to the Ballet / Theatre....
Little Black Dresses are so cliché, darling ..
Now, as this thread was about what women chose .. I HATE platform shoes - I think they lack elegance ..... but will madam listen ?
Me, I'm a stilettos man - but SC insists the platforms are more comfortable and me Ma says the former are, "from car to bar" .... ?!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/23875406598_b2f9493828_n.jpg)
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What really is the point of your last post Moby? You appear to be bickering over nothing and attempting to show off in a weird way.
My wife also designs and makes her own dresses, skirts, trousers & jackets and works for a high end textiles business who supplies design houses and top brands. I'm proud of who she is and what she's done in the UK over the last 5 years but slapping up photo's of her in her numbers 1's would personally make me feel like an inadequate person with self esteem issues.
Not sure its the classiest way to behave but as long as you're happy.
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Moby,
Each to there own. If you are happy so be it. I have my opinions regarding the design elements of the clothing but there is no point in sharing them. But I am surprised by the foot gear which has certain connotations I gather in North America.
Av
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But I am surprised by the foot gear which has certain connotations I gather in North America.
Av
I think you are referring to the term 'fukc me shoes'?
Similar terms exist in Russian and British English.
Some might call them 'stripper shoes' but wouldn't I think of these shoes as being of that type.
The odd thing, apart the subject matter of the pics, is that moby just does not know what a little black dress is or what it is for. Further, he then tries to bloviate with pics of his crotch examiner (recalling a previously posted pic).
For the unknowing (and, in this regard, I am sure there is only one such reading this) the LBD is a black dress of simple silhouette and with minimal decoration that is considered, in polite circles, to be appropriate dress for almost any social occasion. Most decently dressed women have at least one in their wardrobe, but some, a few, prefer to dress in cut-down sails. So, moby, how did the dustbin opening go? Were these pics taken before or after the event?
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What really is the point of your last post Moby?
Well, you know - the thread title was a clue and I'm going to treat your question as rhetorical ...
My wife also designs and makes her own dresses, skirts, trousers & jackets and works for a high end textiles business who supplies design houses and top brands. I'm proud of who she is and what she's done in the UK over the last 5 years but slapping up photo's of her in her numbers 1's would personally make me feel like an inadequate person with self esteem issues.
Good for your missus' and I'm sure she is doesn't claim to be a psychologist ...
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Nadia wanted a sewing machine to make her own clothes so I bought it for her Christmas in 2008.
Never been out of it's box....
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Some of the newer posters may have little idea what LBD means.
Here is a Wikipedia article to help > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_black_dress <
I think the most classic and highest point was reached with A. Hepburn as Holly Golightly in Breakfast at Tiffany's
I have pondered the question that Moby posed at the start of the thread, my guess and we are speaking about the element women on our periodic table ~ it depends on the woman as my answer.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BZJ79NNPbYs/UxO08zpj7zI/AAAAAAAAF0I/pYMbbO3jwDU/s1600/older-women-b.jpg)
Madge told Maude that her joints were stiff.
Maude (in photo) told her not to roll them so tight.
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The odd thing, apart the subject matter of the pics, is that moby just does not know what a little black dress is or what it is for.
Nothing 'odd' about andrewfi taking my words and twisting them to be something totally else.. I commented on 'appropriateness' of a Little Black Dress to the Ballet ? .....
Further, he then tries to bloviate with pics of his crotch examiner (recalling a previously posted pic).
Mere examples of appropriate dresses and questionable shoes at various 'openings'... that 'Alfonse's' :sick0002: missus' knocked up on her sewing machine, over-locker and various apparatus bought by.....'alfonse' ..
There is no 'little black dress' in her wardrobe - her choice.
For the unknowing (and, in this regard, I am sure there is only one such reading this) the LBD is a black dress of simple silhouette and with minimal decoration that is considered, in polite circles, to be appropriate dress for almost any social occasion. Most decently dressed women have at least one in their wardrobe, but some, a few, prefer to dress in cut-down sails. So, moby, how did the dustbin opening go? Were these pics taken before or after the event?
'Cut down sails'..Aha, you'll mean THIS dress ? ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37808162991_79b2374cfb.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/37137855803_bb55c98546_m.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4485/37098119844_5fae1e037c_n.jpg)
I supposed that's one way of describing it ...
In the meantime, I can accept that I was wrong in that the like's of Audrey Hepburn could get away wearing a LBD.
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Moby,
Each to there own. If you are happy so be it. I have my opinions regarding the design elements of the clothing but there is no point in sharing them. But I am surprised by the foot gear which has certain connotations I gather in North America.
Av
Shows us Yanks are puritanical and daft. Mrs Moby's shoes look perfectly normal to me and very typical in Europe.