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Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine, Belarus & FSU => Agencies & Dating Sites => Topic started by: 56ok56 on April 10, 2015, 11:34:29 AM
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Hi,
I am looking for a complete list of all marriage agencies in Russia. Does anybody know where I can find this?
Thank you!!!!!!
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I very much doubt there is such a thing. Apart from anything else, first you'd need to define your terms - what do you mean. Are you referring to local businesses, Internet based dating sites, profile aggregators etc etc.
I know of one firm that tried for their own purposes to create a directory for their own internal use a few years ago and they got to over 1000 businesses defined in their own terms.
If you want such a list I think you'll have to do what they did - get on the phone, check directories, refer to search engines, ask contacts and start sending out emails.
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I very much doubt there is such a thing.
There used to be a guy that ran a web page that had all the agencies he knew of listed and even ranked them "endorsed" or "not endorsed" based on customer evaluations.
I think one of the bigger agencies sued him and his legal defense put him out of business.
Can somebody refresh an old man's memory on this topic?
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I very much doubt there is such a thing.
There used to be a guy that ran a web page that had all the agencies he knew of listed and even ranked them "endorsed" or "not endorsed" based on customer evaluations.
I think one of the bigger agencies sued him and his legal defense put him out of business.
Can somebody refresh an old man's memory on this topic?
You must be thinking Jim he had a site named agencyscams and jimslist
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Can somebody post a copy of Jim's old list or email it to me? I can't find it on the internet anymore. It was the biggest list I ever saw. If I knew it would be taken down I would have copied it.
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I am looking for agencies where you can fly in and meet the ladies physically.
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Can somebody post a copy of Jim's old list or email it to me? I can't find it on the internet anymore. It was the biggest list I ever saw. If I knew it would be taken down I would have copied it.
https://www.christianfilipina.com/research/jims-list-agencyscams-com-and-marriageagencyscams-com/
You can find Jim's site address from this article
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Well.. it certainly ISN'T this ' Jim' ... who clearly writes in Russian-style 'English' :'(
http://www.agency-scams.com/ (http://www.agency-scams.com/)
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You can find Jim's site address from this article
I followed the links ... they are dead, Jim..
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Most of the links in http://www.agency-scams.com/ are dead.
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This was his email
jim@marriageagencyscams.com
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I am looking for agencies where you can fly in and meet the ladies physically.
What country and cities ?
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Everywhere in Ukraine and the 2 westernmost timezones in Russia.
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Everywhere in Ukraine and the 2 westernmost timezones in Russia.
You might be better off using Mamba.
With an agency you will be paying for every girl you meet
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I have more money than time. Mamba takes too long. I want an agency to arrange the meeting. It is more expensive but faster. If I can pay 50-70 euro to walk in right there and then and meet a lady that is my preference.
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I have more money than time. Mamba takes too long. I want an agency to arrange the meeting. It is more expensive but faster. If I can pay 50-70 euro to walk in right there and then and meet a lady that is my preference.
You seem like the perfect candidate for:
www.mordinson.com
Or
http://www.mila-interpreter.com/Welcome
They are both in Kharkov though, and not Russia.
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Mordinson charges thousands of dollars just to walk in the door. I cant afford that. I can afford 50-70 euro per meeting. That is my price limit.
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Mordinson charges thousands of dollars just to walk in the door. I cant afford that. I can afford 50-70 euro per meeting. That is my price limit.
how many 50-70 euro's you happy to pay before meeting right lady? or should i ask, how much are you willing pay per trip, perhaps the more realistic question :)
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no limit
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I don't want tours or packages. I arrange my own hotel, my own taxis, my own phone, all my own details, and my own interpreters. I just want only meetings with ladies from marriage agencies.
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I mean I only want to pay for meetings. I will also work with matchmakers.
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Everywhere in Ukraine and the 2 westernmost timezones in Russia.
You may check this agency: http://fhdating.com/
Contact the owner and see what he suggests.
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I want all the agencies contact info, scam agency, gold list, white list, black list I don't care. I will work with any agency.
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I want all the agencies contact info, scam agency, gold list, white list, black list I don't care. I will work with any agency.
Time consuming :rolleye0009:
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http://daisybride.com/gifts.shtml
http://www.annabeldate.com/en/
Do a Google search Ukrainian dating agencies there are several pages to sort through.
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I already tried Google search and already used most of those agencies on there. That is why I am looking for more.
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I already tried Google search and already used most of those agencies on there. That is why I am looking for more.
If you can read Russian, use yandex.ru to search local agencies you might have better luck
Keep in mind many agencies are no longer in business in Russia.
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I already tried Google search and already used most of those agencies on there. That is why I am looking for more.
Try on eBay. There are many used ones in good condition :thumbsup:
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Mordinson charges thousands of dollars just to walk in the door. I cant afford that. I can afford 50-70 euro per meeting. That is my price limit.
My friend you do what you want and are comfortable with. Mordinson does charge $2,650 for 10 days. That includes an apartment, use of mobile phone, airport pickup and drop off, unlimited translation service, unlimited dates with women, and for the month prior to meeting the ladies it also includes unlimited communication with them. To me that doesn't seem like such a bad deal, but to each his own.
Mila does charge $50/introduction. She is more a la carte so you will pay for translation, apartment, introductions, etc separately. You could get lucky and spend less with her or you could end up spending more.
I've met both in person and am planning on definitely using the former and more than likely the latter as well next spring.
Good luck with whatever route you chose. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
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When I was out on the hunt I used
www.russian-enigma.com
The owner and her daughter were good to work with, the few girls I wrote to seemed honest in their intentions, and in the end I wound up meeting the one girl I had originally wrote to. No complaints from me about their services. They are based in Rostov on Don.
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I can't speak Russian.
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I can't speak Russian.
Neither can 95% of us guys on here, including ones married or living in the FSU.
PS. You could always hire Eduard from here to find some girls to meet.
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Or be more polite.
"I've got no time, money isn't a problem, I've already googled that you moron, give me the info I need now and I'll cease communication!"
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I can't speak Russian.
Neither can 95% of us guys on here, including ones married or living in the FSU.
PS. You could always hire Eduard from here to find some girls to meet.
If he has a problem with Mordinson's price he'll have a stroke over Ed's. That's not to say that Eduard's services aren't worth the money for the right guy. He offers a premium service, but to some he'll be the perfect fit to find their lady and having met him I think he's a standup guy.
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I very much doubt there is such a thing.
There used to be a guy that ran a web page that had all the agencies he knew of listed and even ranked them "endorsed" or "not endorsed" based on customer evaluations.
I think one of the bigger agencies sued him and his legal defense put him out of business.
Can somebody refresh an old man's memory on this topic?
Was =/= is
But Jims List was hardly comprehensive comprising folks who would pay up to not be badmouthed, those who had refused to pay up to his demands and those with whom he had profitable referal deals.
Most agencies of the time were not within that universe.
Now our hero is starting to define his terms: Russia means only Western Russia and includes Ukraine. All means only personal service places (as long as they are inexpensive and don't mind him not taking their services).
I doubt that such a list is very long but will not be easy to research.
To our hero, I referred up thread to defining your terms. We can now see that you have yet to do so. Rather than building a list can I suggest that you define what outcome you seek and decide your resources, probably budget and time. Then you can better decide how to proceed. For example right now you are bemoaning the idea of spending large (in your opinion) amounts of money at one place. I'd suggest that if that one place, in a single visit, provides you with what you seek then the cost of using them will actually be rather low.
Try to consider value and not price when defining your desired outcome and your route to that outcome.
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But Jims List was hardly comprehensive comprising folks who would pay up to not be badmouthed, those who had refused to pay up to his demands and those with whom he had profitable referal deals.
Yet ANOTHER andrewfi post of questionable validity...
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Try on eBay. There are many used ones in good condition :thumbsup:
Or be more polite.
"I've got no time, money isn't a problem, I've already googled that you moron, give me the info I need now and I'll cease communication!"
:ROFL:
What's wrong with Andrewfi's post? I think he's just saying that if you've exhausted all agency links at your command it would behoove you to narrow the rest down. At least consider changing up the game plan.
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But Jims List was hardly comprehensive comprising folks who would pay up to not be badmouthed, those who had refused to pay up to his demands and those with whom he had profitable referal deals.
Yet ANOTHER andrewfi post of questionable validity...
So, tell us then Alfy, what is 'questionable' about the post I wrote, specifically what do you disagree with and why? Tell us, Alfy, what can you offer to our hero to guide him in a constructive and positive manner?
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When I was out on the hunt I used
www.russian-enigma.com
The owner and her daughter were good to work with, the few girls I wrote to seemed honest in their intentions, and in the end I wound up meeting the one girl I had originally wrote to. No complaints from me about their services. They are based in Rostov on Don.
Do you have their phone number?
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Can I buy a list from somebody? It's ok if it's a little old.
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I am looking for marriage.
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Yet ANOTHER andrewfi post of questionable validity...
So, tell us then Alfy, what is 'questionable' about the post I wrote, specifically what do you disagree with and why? Tell us, Alfy, what can you offer to our hero to guide him in a constructive and positive manner?
1/ Your first mistake is addressing a 'newbie' as 'hero' - you are simply being condescending to someone less 'clued up' than you think you are ..
2/ Your second mistake was suggesting Jim 'blackmailed' agencies . You are prone to such 'mistakes'.. The question should be: can you PROVE such a slur ?
I'll give you an example - LUCKYLOVERS - can you remember what he said about them ? ...
'Alfy' awaits while you try to get some 'support' for your fibs..
The OP is getting plenty of advice..
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I am looking for marriage.
If you are looking for marriage, you should narrow down your search to the most reputable agencies.
I would also contact some ladies before travel.
You might have to write a few letters, but you will at least know something about who you are meeting..
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When I was out on the hunt I used
www.russian-enigma.com
The owner and her daughter were good to work with, the few girls I wrote to seemed honest in their intentions, and in the end I wound up meeting the one girl I had originally wrote to. No complaints from me about their services. They are based in Rostov on Don.
Do you have their phone number?
Have you noticed "e-mail us" at the menu?
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But Jims List was hardly comprehensive comprising folks who would pay up to not be badmouthed, those who had refused to pay up to his demands and those with whom he had profitable referal deals.
I have to agree here. Jim's list was one of the most dishonest sites ever to be spawned on the internet.
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I have to agree here. Jim's list was one of the most dishonest sites ever to be spawned on the internet.
One needs to keep in mind, Jim often stated the recommended sites were his personal choice.
If you feel the man had no credibility, then you would likely feel the site was dishonest.
Really when it comes down to it, are there very many sites related to FSUW dating that are honest? :biggrin:
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Can I buy a list from somebody? It's ok if it's a little old.
Hire an offshore freelancer to data mine for you.
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Alfy, if you want to learn more then hit up the Internets or pay me to be your researcher (via PayPal in advance).
Your lack of knowledge does not indicate a lack of fact.
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Really when it comes down to it, are there very many sites related to FSUW dating that are honest? :biggrin:
Firstly, if you accept that a general lack of honesty is a reasonable justification for a particular lack of honesty then your ethical compass probably does not have 'true north'.
It is reasonable to suggest that there are many people in the business who are misguided and delusional. Many of them make ridiculous and untrue claims but they are not dishonest. Some people make untrue claims knowing them to be untrue - that is dishonest. So, whilst it is possible and reasonable to claim that much of what you see on the Internet in respect of MOB is untrue only a much smaller part is dishonest. Based upon what I know 'Jim' was not honest and he was not Jim.
Secondly 'Jim' whoever he was, did NOT make a point of claiming his recommendations and black lists were his 'personal choice' until he came under legal pressure on the matter when his supposedly evidence based claims morphed into 'personal opinions' as part of a campaign to stop his sites being closed down. He used personal opinion in an effort to avoid legal responsibility by claiming the protections of 'free speech'. His sites went dark because, in the end, he was unable to show that this was the case.
For what it is worth I believe that the original 'Jim' was trying to earn a crust using a basic, but usually short term affiliate marketing technique where an affiliate sets himself up as the consumer champion. In this case things got rather out of hand, as they tend to do, when greed came into the picture.
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I have more money than time.
Mordinson charges thousands of dollars just to walk in the door. I cant afford that. I can afford 50-70 euro per meeting. That is my price limit.
If you ever discover how costly that international relationships can be, you will understand why the emboldened words jumped out at me.
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Really when it comes down to it, are there very many sites related to FSUW dating that are honest? :biggrin:
Firstly, if you accept that a general lack of honesty is a reasonable justification for a particular lack of honesty then your ethical compass probably does not have 'true north'.
It is reasonable to suggest that there are many people in the business who are misguided and delusional. Many of them make ridiculous and untrue claims but they are not dishonest. Some people make untrue claims knowing them to be untrue - that is dishonest. So, whilst it is possible and reasonable to claim that much of what you see on the Internet in respect of MOB is untrue only a much smaller part is dishonest. Based upon what I know 'Jim' was not honest and he was not Jim.
Secondly 'Jim' whoever he was, did NOT make a point of claiming his recommendations and black lists were his 'personal choice' until he came under legal pressure on the matter when his supposedly evidence based claims morphed into 'personal opinions' as part of a campaign to stop his sites being closed down. He used personal opinion in an effort to avoid legal responsibility by claiming the protections of 'free speech'. His sites went dark because, in the end, he was unable to show that this was the case.
For what it is worth I believe that the original 'Jim' was trying to earn a crust using a basic, but usually short term affiliate marketing technique where an affiliate sets himself up as the consumer champion. In this case things got rather out of hand, as they tend to do, when greed came into the picture.
Andrew,
I will take your post as being your opinion, and nothing based on fact.
I had many email exchanges with Jim over the past 10 years.
All in all he is a good guy, but is ego driven, and he has always from the beginning based his sites on his opinion.
As for his legal problems, you know nothing, so is best you don't make up stories :)
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When I was out on the hunt I used
www.russian-enigma.com
The owner and her daughter were good to work with, the few girls I wrote to seemed honest in their intentions, and in the end I wound up meeting the one girl I had originally wrote to. No complaints from me about their services. They are based in Rostov on Don.
Do you have their phone number?
No just the girl I went to see. :P
I would email her (I forgot her name) first, and then you both can arrange a time to talk. They offer full service to make things easy, you may pay a bit more but the stress is gone in trying to arrange transportation and lodging.
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
I wish that I had a Rouble for every piece of juicy gossip that has come my way.
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
I wish that I had a Rouble for every piece of juicy gossip that has come my way.
I'll take facts over gossip anyday.
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(Quote) Andrewfi
. Based upon what I know 'Jim' was not honest and he was not Jim
Really Andrew doesn't even know Jim's name is real or not?
Manny really :laugh:
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.........................."And so, it begins, again".............................................
<sic>
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I have to agree here. Jim's list was one of the most dishonest sites ever to be spawned on the internet.
Can YOU back that up, either !! ?
It might be interesting to hear from the horse's mouth or is it 'constrained' ?
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For what it is worth I believe
EXACTLY .. You don't know ...
I guess that's the nearest we'll get to an andrewfi admission he slurred someone and can't prove it ...
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
The use of the word 'believe' suggests otherwise..
I specifically asked andrewfi about LL - as they now feature here. You could ask them.
Jim's list did not have them in his 'gold' list for stated he had never had a bad report
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
I wish that I had a Rouble for every piece of juicy gossip that has come my way.
I'll take facts over gossip anyday.
As I said, several of us know the facts. Andrew is one.
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(Quote) Andrewfi
. Based upon what I know 'Jim' was not honest and he was not Jim
Really Andrew doesn't even know Jim's name is real or not?
Manny really :laugh:
Tom Cat,please go and re-read my words. Ask for help if you need it because what you think you read was not what I wrote.
Moby, I may be CERTAIN that you are a dishonest troll but because I have not met you and watched you at work I would probably write that I BELIEVED you to be a dishonest troll. That'd be based upon my observation of your activities, the first hand reports of credible witnesses and my understanding of what dishonesty and trollish activity are. Now, you know that you are both dishonest and a troll so you can be sure that my evaluation of you is pretty absolute. Same with 'Jim', except in his case there's access to the proceedings of legal cases to read - I have not troubled myself to read those in your case.
It is hard to have a higher standard of certainty than belief. :)
I believe the sun will rise tomorrow but I recognise the possibility that it will not.
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Andrew,
Receiving an all expenses paid trip to Florida, compliments of RTI or HRB, might make you somewhat biased.
It's obvious in your posts what side you sleep with.
If Jim was greedy and In it for the money, one would think he would have had a much larger gold list, including all the major MOB sites.
Instead he chose to butt heads with the sites that were fleecing the general public.
Jim lost, not because he was dishonest, but because the other guys had deep pockets and could afford the best attorneys.
Manny you have noticed a drop in new members. Jim recommended RUA, and sent many to this site.
How much did he charge for this service?
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I have been around this scene for a long time. I knew some of the people who sued "Honest Jim" :ROFL:
He deserved to be shut down. Period.
Oh, and I am not obliged to justify that opinion. Understand. tiphat
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Tom Cat, you can choose to have an opinion based upon your fantasies and prejudices and you will get fleeced and scammed because you don't bother to think or to learn. Your choice.
I don't mind, it adds to the entertainment value.
But if you were not quite so lazy you could do what I did and learn some stuff. There's plenty of objective information around.
Frankly it is strange that one can reach your age and be so naive or lazy. Do some people really stop learning?
This stuff is not so hard, you seem to have been married to some woman from this side of the ocean so you seem to have successfully navigated the mucky water before now. So, why are you now starting to act and write like a stupid person who has not got the faintest idea of what they are trying to do?
If you want to learn about Jim's Lists you could do worse than read some threads on this very forum. You might even find links to such pages as transcripts of court and arbitration documents relating to the case. If you can't be bothered to do that stuff then please do not go round imposing your fantasies upon real people who actually know some stuff.
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Tom Cat, you can choose to have an opinion based upon your fantasies and prejudices and you will get fleeced and scammed because you don't bother to think or to learn. Your choice.
I don't mind, it adds to the entertainment value.
But if you were not quite so lazy you could do what I did and learn some stuff. There's plenty of objective information around.
Frankly it is strange that one can reach your age and be so naive or lazy. Do some people really stop learning?
This stuff is not so hard, you seem to have been married to some woman from this side of the ocean so you seem to have successfully navigated the mucky water before now. So, why are you now starting to act and write like a stupid person who has not got the faintest idea of what they are trying to do?
If you want to learn about Jim's Lists you could do worse than read some threads on this very forum. You might even find links to such pages as transcripts of court and arbitration documents relating to the case. If you can't be bothered to do that stuff then please do not go round imposing your fantasies upon real people who actually know some stuff.
Andrew,
I will do fine but thanks anyway.
Edit,
I posted for a different thread.
I've read a fair amount about the court proceedings.
Jim got slammed only because he couldn't afford the big buck lawyers.
Enough of us know the group that thrived on trashing Jim.
Really I have nothing more to discuss with you as you have nothing of substance to add
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Tom Cat, you might find that one or two here, Andrew included, know quite a lot about the legal issues Jim had that caused the demise of his sites.
:laugh:
Lot's of us did... but some of the 'tag team' have stated he was 'dishonest'....the cup runneth over with irony
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I have been around this scene for a long time. I knew some of the people who sued "Honest Jim" :ROFL:
He deserved to be shut down. Period.
Oh, and I am not obliged to justify that opinion. Understand. tiphat
...and I'm sure Jim was as confident in his opinions - before he was 'shut up'... :popcorn:
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Post deleted multiple TOS violations
Leslied
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^It reminds me of a joke: An Arab old man rests under a tree while group of children are playing around and make noise and disturb the man's rest. He wished to get rid of them, so he tells them: "look over there, people give water melons". So the children run over there.
Few moments later the old man thinks - "what, they give water melons and I'm sitting here!?"
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I emailed Jim at jim@marriageagencyscams.com Saturday asking him for his old list but I am still waiting for his reply. Did anybody copy it down who can send it to me? I will pay for it. Or another list would be good. I will pay for that too. I have inquired with data miners who I am also waiting on a quote from. Thanks for all the advice everybody but I am not looking for advice. Just the list :)
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56K you're like the Russian internet in the 80's. omg good luck axaxa
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I emailed Jim at jim@marriageagencyscams.com Saturday asking him for his old list but I am still waiting for his reply.
You will wait a long time, the domain is for sale (http://marriageagencyscams.com/) as it was taken from him during legal proceedings.
However, if you *really* want to access his old lists, you can do so >>here<< (http://web.archive.org/web/20120512085854/http://www.marriageagencyscams.com/).
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Thanks Manny!!!!
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What is the easiest way to download that whole site just in case it gets removed from there?
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What is the easiest way to download that whole site just in case it gets removed from there?
Its unlikely to be removed from there as it is an archive. I would do it page by page, right click, save as: "Webpage Complete". Which is tedious. There are lots of technical chaps here who probably know far better ways. There are tools that facilitate that I recall.
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Looking thru Jim's site, it's amazing how many agencies, and dating sites there used to be.
Now days few remain in business.
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Can any one spot the irony in this screengrab of Jim's list ? ....
http://www.dropbox.com/s/ts9u0z4tcbpph3e/irony%20spotted.png (http://www.dropbox.com/s/ts9u0z4tcbpph3e/irony%20spotted.png)
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So despite being told such list is old, outdated and worthless you still want to work from it?
You must have time to burn!
Why don't you pick a city that logistically you can get to easily enough, book some accommodation and get writing to women from that area?
Why on earth you would want to involve a host of middle men when you say time and money are both limited?
2TallBill wrote an excellent strategy and I'm sure Manny did also. You could have been talking to a woman/women on Skype by now but instead you insist on searching for an old list.
Why?
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^It seems the bloke lacks essential skills for this endeavor: First post - no introduction. Just asking for list. Understanding of social codes? Disregard reputable agency suggestions. Trying to contact questionable (irrelevant) source, for what?
Looks like more of investigator type than a wife seeker(?)
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AlfyMoby, if you can not be bothered to do your own research then pay someone. If you want to make an arrangement with me then a pre-paid hourly fee paid through PayPal will be required. Ask your latest target for some pocket money and access to her PayPal account if your account is still unavailable to you.
If you do not understand your native language then perhaps ask for help from somebody more capable than yourself. I do not give language lessons.
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AlfyMoby, if you can not be bothered to do your own research then pay someone. If you want to make an arrangement with me then a pre-paid hourly fee paid through PayPal will be required. Ask your latest target for some pocket money and access to her PayPal account if your account is still unavailable to you.
As ever, andrewfi - 'thanks' for your 'advice' .... If I ever sought a professional researcher / grammar tutor - your record for veracity would exclude you... :laugh:
Hint for you: Paypal + andrewfi's comments = loot . THANK YOU :thumbsup:
PS : did your 'reliable witnesses' get back to you with proof of any legal action concerning me ?... Do you need a link to your latest howler ? :chuckle:
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Post Deleted TOS violations...
I can't believe that I argued in favor of ending Moby's banned status! Reading his crap is worse than contracting a communicable disease.
Moby always reverts to type.
Leslied
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Moby always reverts to type.
Truer words were never written.
In regard to the topic at hand, it's pointless to concern oneself about someone's decade-old opinion about which agencies were honest and which were not. The information was likely not even accurate even when it was current.
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for the guy who suggested data mining or whoever knows about it, which data mining company or service would be best to create this list?
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for the guy who suggested data mining or whoever knows about it, which data mining company or service would be best to create this list?
Try using a search engine such as Google Yahoo, you should be able to find said agencies yourself.
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Moby always reverts to type.
Truer words were never written.
If 'type' is showing up those who consistently post quoting made up stuff - and failing to produce the evidence - I am guilty ...
I apologise to members for 'rising' :coffeeread:
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Interesting to see Moby being Moby, well it is nice to see mice can not change there whiskers.
As for Jim's list I remember pointing out some websites long ago to him and he refused to list them as the were more Russian facing than catering to Western men. He can off as an odd person, per e.Mail.
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This complete list is needed for someone with a lot of time and resources, but more resources than time, but still has a lot of time, but doesn't like to waste time doing manual searching.
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I emailed jim at jim@marriageagencyscams.com asking him for his list 7 days ago but am still waiting for his reply.
The list still up in archive only has the gold list which is pretty short. I want to get the black and grey list but they are not on the archive site.
Is that Jim';s correct email?
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I emailed jim at jim@marriageagencyscams.com asking him for his list 7 days ago but am still waiting for his reply.
The list still up in archive only has the gold list which is pretty short. I want to get the black and grey list but they are not on the archive site.
Is that Jim';s correct email?
Jim's complete site can be accessed from the link Manny gave you.
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415025221/http://marriageagencyscams.com/Blacklist.html
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If you want to consult with an expert, send JayH a message. He's a fellow Aussie and he has plenty of current information.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4424
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Thanks. I got Jim's black list. cool. The grey list is gone though. WHere can I get that?
I tried to PM JayH but it said I couldnt send him a message.
I am having a problem finding marriage agencies in Russia. NOt many are showing up in google. Just some in st petersburg and in Moscow. I want to avoid those 2 cities.
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I want to avoid Ukraine if possible.
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Ukraine is at war so probably better to avoid for now..
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I am having a problem finding marriage agencies in Russia. NOt many are showing up in google. Just some in st petersburg and in Moscow. I want to avoid those 2 cities.
You are ten years too late. Most closed due to no demand.
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I was able to find many using google search, 100s. Better brush up on your GooFoo :) Try searching by each different city name. Try searching with the cyrillic alphabit, using google translate.
As for not going to Moscow and St. Pete, when I visited Moscow, Dec. 2013-Jan. 2014 there seemed to be quite a few normal women :biggrin: Just need to find the right woman to meet, like any other place you would travel to.
You are an Aussie? You might look at the far east Russia. My Mrs. is from Valdivostok. It is said, by Russian men, that the most exotic women are from there :thumbsup:
I am having a problem finding marriage agencies in Russia. NOt many are showing up in google. Just some in st petersburg and in Moscow. I want to avoid those 2 cities.
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Ukraine is at war so probably better to avoid for now..
hmm, Ukraine is a BIG country and much of it is closer to w.European capitals than Donbass...
You might also 'argue' that being from a sanctioning nation means one should not go to Russia - a 'risk'...
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I will pay 5 dollars per agency. Here are my requirements. Find out all this info for each agency to get paid. i am not looking for any agencies in st petersburg or moscow and no agencies in any areas where it is very dangerous to travel due to terrorism. i am interested only in marriage, no 1 night stands. send me the info in a spreadsheet or text document. max number of 200 agencies i will pay for with all information provided as i requested here.
email address
phone number
website url
findout price of coordinating/arranging meetings with ladies
how much is their translator? hourly/daily/and weekly rate?
i just am interested in the meetings and maybe a russian/english translator if it is reasonably priced
i am not interested in any agencies that do not arrange meetings for the clients
i am not interested in agencies that tell you to contact the ladies on your own and figure it out yourself in letters
i will not write many letters and am not looking for agency that requires certain number of letters written and paid for first
i will write 1 letter per lady and send my pictures, if she wants to meet me great if not i move on
findout how much is price of 1 letter and sending pictures to lady and receiving her response if she wants to meet me
findout how many ladies between 18 and 30 years old without children are in their agency
i dont want their cell phone....i have my own cell phone
i do not want their taxi...i find my own taxis
no networks...i am not looking for networks....i am looking only for 1 office agencies..will not pay for networks
i am not interested in any package
i am not interested in ladies with children
i do not want to be stuck in their apartment or their hotel...i choose my own accommodations
pm me if interested and we will discuss further details
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As you are in the FSU already, what is wrong with your local women?
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women in a marriage agency are more serious about marrying a foreigner and moving abroad or they would not be in the agency.....local women not in an agency are not like that
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1 requirement i forgot to mention...also include a column or place that lists the number of women between 24 and 30 years old in the agency
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1 requirement i forgot to mention...also include a column or place that lists the number of women between 24 and 30 years old in the agency
What stuff are you smoking there!!! Seems pretty strong to me!! >:(
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1 requirement i forgot to mention...also include a column or place that lists the number of women between 24 and 30 years old in the agency
What stuff are you smoking there!!! Seems pretty strong to me!! >:(
Ignorance and idiocy often look exactly the same.
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There are some very strange people in this endeavor.
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There are some very strange people in this endeavor.
I always thought I was Strange until I got into the Russian dating thing:) Now I realise Im perfectly normal :-X
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I have more money than time. Mamba takes too long. I want an agency to arrange the meeting. It is more expensive but faster. If I can pay 50-70 euro to walk in right there and then and meet a lady that is my preference.
Then this is the adventure for you! ;D
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Mordinson is a damn good deal. $2,650 is a lot of money? No, it is not. It includes 10 nights in Michael's own recently remodeled very nice apartment (I estimate that is about a $450 value). Pickup from the airport / train station (saves you a cab fare). Can meet as many girls from Mordinsons as you want (Michael told me some guys meet 15 or 20 girls)...15 girls times $70 per girl as at a lot of agencies = $1,050. Um there is a 0.000000% chance any of the girls are not completely genuine and looking to meet a foreign man - Mordinsons is as legit as it gets. You can watch about a 60 to 90 second video of the girl doing her introduction on videocamera in high definition on the website, so you will know exactly what she looks like in person when you arrive (no crappy photoshop to make a 4 erroneously look like a 10). Michael himself comes with you on each of your meetings and is an expert translator/interpreter, so your interpreter (which might be, I dunno, $60 per meeting at most other agencies is Free with Mordinson. $60 X 15 meetings = $900.) Umm, let's see what else do you get with Mordinsons that is included in the $2650 price.....Oh, if you have any questions, Michael answers his emails up to like 2AM Kharkov time!! The guy is crazy cool. You can chat with him on Skype pretty much any time of the day, call him on the phone, he answers his emails very quickly all day long.
If you look at all that you get with Mordinson's, IMHO $2,650 is a great deal, especially considering you are dealing with 100.0000% legit girls who want to meet a foreign man.
If I do use Michael, I am not going to go the 15 girl route, LOL. But I will probably meet (3) girls, and about 5 months before I arrive, I will correspond through Skype and email and phone with those 3 girls to get to know them very well. The girls are very very pretty. Thin, slender, very pretty girls and also well-educated and smart.
I do not agree with you that Mordinsons is "too expensive". IMHO it is a bargain. You can watch High Def videos of all their successful marriages on their site as well.....Mordinsons has TONS and TONS of successful marriages.
Plus, if you use Mordinsons, you might even see me there. And everyone knows I am the coolest guy in the US. tiphat
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Thought of one other thing. Michael gives you a free phone with SIM card to use your entire time there. I am not sure how much that is worth, but I think I read somewhere that it will cost you roughly $10 per day through Ukrainefare.com and kievconnections.com I believe. Don't hold me to those numbers though.
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Thought of one other thing. Michael gives you a free phone with SIM card to use your entire time there. I am not sure how much that is worth, but I think I read somewhere that it will cost you roughly $10 per day through Ukrainefare.com and kievconnections.com I believe. Don't hold me to those numbers though.
If you have your own simlock free phone, $1 is enough for a phone number.
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Mordinson is a damn good deal. $2,650 is a lot of money? No, it is not. It includes 10 nights in Michael's own recently remodeled very nice apartment (I estimate that is about a $450 value). Pickup from the airport / train station (saves you a cab fare). Can meet as many girls from Mordinsons as you want (Michael told me some guys meet 15 or 20 girls)...15 girls times $70 per girl as at a lot of agencies = $1,050. Um there is a 0.000000% chance any of the girls are not completely genuine and looking to meet a foreign man - Mordinsons is as legit as it gets. You can watch about a 60 to 90 second video of the girl doing her introduction on videocamera in high definition on the website, so you will know exactly what she looks like in person when you arrive (no crappy photoshop to make a 4 erroneously look like a 10). Michael himself comes with you on each of your meetings and is an expert translator/interpreter, so your interpreter (which might be, I dunno, $60 per meeting at most other agencies is Free with Mordinson. $60 X 15 meetings = $900.) Umm, let's see what else do you get with Mordinsons that is included in the $2650 price.....Oh, if you have any questions, Michael answers his emails up to like 2AM Kharkov time!! The guy is crazy cool. You can chat with him on Skype pretty much any time of the day, call him on the phone, he answers his emails very quickly all day long.
If you look at all that you get with Mordinson's, IMHO $2,650 is a great deal, especially considering you are dealing with 100.0000% legit girls who want to meet a foreign man.
If I do use Michael, I am not going to go the 15 girl route, LOL. But I will probably meet (3) girls, and about 5 months before I arrive, I will correspond through Skype and email and phone with those 3 girls to get to know them very well. The girls are very very pretty. Thin, slender, very pretty girls and also well-educated and smart.
I do not agree with you that Mordinsons is "too expensive". IMHO it is a bargain. You can watch High Def videos of all their successful marriages on their site as well.....Mordinsons has TONS and TONS of successful marriages.
Plus, if you use Mordinsons, you might even see me there. And everyone knows I am the coolest guy in the US. tiphat
Nice advertising.... ;D
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Thought of one other thing. Michael gives you a free phone with SIM card to use your entire time there. I am not sure how much that is worth, but I think I read somewhere that it will cost you roughly $10 per day through Ukrainefare.com and kievconnections.com I believe. Don't hold me to those numbers though.
If you have your own simlock free phone, $1 is enough for a phone number.
And $10 probably enough for a month of phone calls and 'Interneting'.
Are we, by any chance, starting to see where all this is leading?
Hello, and welcome Michael and friends.
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Mordinson is a damn good deal. $2,650 is a lot of money? No, it is not. It includes 10 nights in Michael's own recently remodeled very nice apartment (I estimate that is about a $450 value). Pickup from the airport / train station (saves you a cab fare). Can meet as many girls from Mordinsons as you want (Michael told me some guys meet 15 or 20 girls)...15 girls times $70 per girl as at a lot of agencies = $1,050. Um there is a 0.000000% chance any of the girls are not completely genuine and looking to meet a foreign man - Mordinsons is as legit as it gets. You can watch about a 60 to 90 second video of the girl doing her introduction on videocamera in high definition on the website, so you will know exactly what she looks like in person when you arrive (no crappy photoshop to make a 4 erroneously look like a 10). Michael himself comes with you on each of your meetings and is an expert translator/interpreter, so your interpreter (which might be, I dunno, $60 per meeting at most other agencies is Free with Mordinson. $60 X 15 meetings = $900.) Umm, let's see what else do you get with Mordinsons that is included in the $2650 price.....Oh, if you have any questions, Michael answers his emails up to like 2AM Kharkov time!! The guy is crazy cool. You can chat with him on Skype pretty much any time of the day, call him on the phone, he answers his emails very quickly all day long.
If you look at all that you get with Mordinson's, IMHO $2,650 is a great deal, especially considering you are dealing with 100.0000% legit girls who want to meet a foreign man.
If I do use Michael, I am not going to go the 15 girl route, LOL. But I will probably meet (3) girls, and about 5 months before I arrive, I will correspond through Skype and email and phone with those 3 girls to get to know them very well. The girls are very very pretty. Thin, slender, very pretty girls and also well-educated and smart.
I do not agree with you that Mordinsons is "too expensive". IMHO it is a bargain. You can watch High Def videos of all their successful marriages on their site as well.....Mordinsons has TONS and TONS of successful marriages.
Plus, if you use Mordinsons, you might even see me there. And everyone knows I am the coolest guy in the US. tiphat
Have you ever worked at Morrisons the supermarket chain? It has a very similar name they also sell meat. You can go into Morrisons and walk along the meat counter to view a very nice selection of steaks :ROFL:
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http://daisybride.com/gifts.shtml
http://www.annabeldate.com/en/
Do a Google search Ukrainian dating agencies there are several pages to sort through.
TomCat, just read this post of yours. Thank you very much for this, I had never heard of daisybride.com. I have spent a few minutes on the daisybride.com website, and holy crap, it is very similar to Mordinson's, in some ways maybe not as good, but in several ways I think even better than Mordinsons. Bottom line, I think their personal tour is essentially extremely similar to what Mordinson's 7 day and 10 day packages are. Price is very reasonable ($180 per day to meet 1 or multiple girls, includes the interpreters fees for even all day if you need the interpreter all day, pickup to and from the airport. I think it is very comparable to Mordinsons, maybe a tiny bit less money, but the difference in costs is negligible and would not be an important enough determining factor to me to make me choose either Mordinsons or daisybride over the other. Sounds like an honest, very legit company..and unfortunately, the English / Spanish translator Ivanka http://daisybride.com/aboutus.shtml she is exactly my type, I find her really cute and pretty and attractive. I think it might cause problems if she were my interpreter, because if I did use Ivanka, I might accidentally become very good friends with Ivanka, develop some feelings for her.....and want to spend 24/7 with Ivanka instead of the girls from the agency. Might accidentally ultimately put a wedding ring on Ivanka's ring finger instead of putting a wedding ring on one of the girls from the agency.
Mordinson's pics - heavily photoshopped which I really hate. I am disappointed Mordinson uses so much Photoshop in their pictures, I do not appreciate it one bit. Luckily, when you watch the girl in her video in Hi-Def, you see what she genuinely looks like since you cannot photoshop a live video. I just completely ignore the girls' pictures on Mordinson, they are so fake and misleading, they are completely useless, and instead rely on the Hi-Def videos to know pretty much exactly what the girl is going to look like if I meet her in person.
Tom Cat, thank you so much for revealing this agency!! I really appreciate it. I will spend a little time looking at this agency for sure, comparing and contrasting it to Mordinsons. If Mordinsons is better, then I will lean that way obviously. But if daisybride is better IMO, I will certainly not be shy in using them instead of Mordinson.
Looked through the pictures at daisybride, and my first impression...Girls at Daisybride are more attractive than the girls at Mordinsons, and the pictures are not photoshopped like they are at Mordinsons. But this is not necessarily a good thing, as I am not looking for an extremely attractive girl, I am leary of finding a very attractive girl. Although I am an anomaly, because unlike me, most guys who are dong the FSU Wife thing truly are looking for a very very attractive Wife.
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OK, I did not realize daisybride is in kiev, I thought it is in Kharkov. That rules Daisybride out for me. Much more difficult for a first time visitor in Ukraine to be successful in this endeavor in Kiev than it is in Kharkov.
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OK, I did not realize daisybride is in kiev, I thought it is in Kharkov. That rules Daisybride out for me. Much more difficult for a first time visitor in Ukraine to be successful in this endeavor in Kiev than it is in Kharkov.
What is your perception of the differences between the two places?
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
You mean it was.... until 2014.
Right now, I wouldn't want to visit Maidan square.
(https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Maidan-Square-Feb-2014-photo-by-Olga-Yakimovich-Reuters.jpg)
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
You mean it was.... until 2014.
Right now, I wouldn't want to visit Maidan square.
(https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Maidan-Square-Feb-2014-photo-by-Olga-Yakimovich-Reuters.jpg)
Noooooooooooo....
Its all happy clappy now! Good old Uncle Sam installed some democracy and the Biden bloke, and a wanted bloke from Georgia. They are now a fully democratic EU aspirant nation. Like Turkey. It must be so, I read it on a wrapper of a Vicky Nuland cookie. People buy duvets with the EU flag on now.......
Its lovely there now. The model of America. Like Ferguson but with fewer murders and burning tyres. Ste, Moby and Jeremy Corbyn are going to set up a commune there. The international centre for displaced American sex tourists.
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
You mean it was.... until 2014.
Right now, I wouldn't want to visit Maidan square.
(https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Maidan-Square-Feb-2014-photo-by-Olga-Yakimovich-Reuters.jpg)
Noooooooooooo....
Its all happy clappy now! Good old Uncle Sam installed some democracy and the Biden bloke, and a wanted bloke from Georgia. They are now a fully democratic EU aspirant nation. Like Turkey. It must be so, I read it on a wrapper of a Vicky Nuland cookie. People buy duvets with the EU flag on now.......
Its lovely there now. The model of America. Like Ferguson but with fewer murders and burning tyres. Ste, Moby and Jeremy Corbyn are going to set up a commune there. The international centre for displaced American sex tourists.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
You mean it was.... until 2014.
Noooooooooooo....
Its all happy clappy now! Good old Uncle Sam installed some democracy
Remind us when you were in Kiev last .... :sick0012: .. or any part of Ukraine.... or even Russia ?
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Kiev is a lovely city, I could live there quite happily.
You mean it was.... until 2014.
Right now, I wouldn't want to visit Maidan square.
(https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Maidan-Square-Feb-2014-photo-by-Olga-Yakimovich-Reuters.jpg)
Noooooooooooo....
Its all happy clappy now! Good old Uncle Sam installed some democracy and the Biden bloke, and a wanted bloke from Georgia. They are now a fully democratic EU aspirant nation. Like Turkey. It must be so, I read it on a wrapper of a Vicky Nuland cookie. People buy duvets with the EU flag on now.......
Its lovely there now. The model of America. Like Ferguson but with fewer murders and burning tyres. Ste, Moby and Jeremy Corbyn are going to set up a commune there. The international centre for displaced American sex tourists.
Was just fine when I visited twice Summer 2015. Not sure if there's been more incidents in the Maidan since but I agree with Ste about living there. Service in Kiev is reasonable for FSU, staff speak English in most places and the weather in Summer is great. Plenty of eye candy around too tiphat
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Was just fine when I visited twice Summer 2015. Not sure if there's been more incidents in the Maidan since but I agree with Ste about living there. Service in Kiev is reasonable for FSU, staff speak English in most places and the weather in Summer is great. Plenty of eye candy around too tiphat
That was 2015. Just 1 week ago, there was another small Maidan uprising of 1000 folks (now gone again).
It will swell again though, just like waves that get stronger until there's a new full-fledged Maidan.
I would want to visit, but not live there.
Youd have to be monumentally tired of your life to want to live in a country thats activly waging war against its own citizens and blaming it then on someone else.
Warning: extremely disturbing content:
Take a good long look at all those dead soldiers civilians.
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Youd have to be monumentally tired of your life to want to live in a country thats activly waging [ waged ] war against its own citizens and blaming it then on someone else.
I guess you're right ... I should forgive Chechn'ya...
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Andrewfi, I love your new avatar. I suddenly went from respecting you......to wanting to date you. ;D
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Well that's a bit of a change from your first post.
Don't worry, it ain't me either!