I logged into Anastasia for fun right now. My profile has no photo, yet about 10 women per minute invite me to video chat (of course at a cost of about a 1 USD per minute).
Tell me, what are the odds that most of the invites are not coming from those being paid to invite me to chat?
It's up to about 90 now, with lots of Chinese as well. Of course all those young Chinese girls are logged in ready to chat without pay..at anywhere between 2 and 4 am there. :lol:
I suppose they are only hoping to win that Odessa car contest.
Over 27? Unmarried? Female? In China, you could be labelled a "leftover woman" by the state - but some professional Chinese women these days are happy being single.
Huang Yuanyuan is working late at her job in a Beijing radio newsroom. She's also stressing out about the fact that the next day, she'll turn 29.
"Scary. I'm one year older," she says. "I'm nervous."
Why?
"Because I'm still single. I have no boyfriend. I'm under big pressure to get married."
Huang is a confident, personable young woman with a good salary, her own apartment, an MA from one of China's top universities, and a wealth of friends.
Still, she knows that these days, single, urban, educated women like her in China are called "sheng nu" or "leftover women" - and it stings.
Who are you calling "leftover"? Huang Yuanyuan (front) and her colleague Wang Tingting
She feels pressure from her friends and her family, and the message gets hammered in by China's state-run media too.
Even the website of the government's supposedly feminist All-China Women's Federation featured articles about "leftover women" - until enough women complained.
State-run media started using the term "sheng nu" in 2007. That same year the government warned that China's gender imbalance - caused by selective abortions because of the one-child policy - was a serious problem.
National Bureau of Statistics data shows there are now about 20 million more men under 30 than women under 30.
"Ever since 2007, the state media have aggressively disseminated this term in surveys, and news reports, and columns, and cartoons and pictures, basically stigmatising educated women over the age of 27 or 30 who are still single," says Leta Hong-Fincher, an American doing a sociology PhD at Tsinghua University in Beijing.
Census figures for China show that around one in five women aged 25-29 is unmarried.
The proportion of unmarried men that age is higher - over a third. But that doesn't mean they will easily match up, since Chinese men tend to "marry down", both in terms of age and educational attainment.
"There is an opinion that A-quality guys will find B-quality women, B-quality guys will find C-quality women, and C-quality men will find D-quality women," says Huang Yuanyuan. "The people left are A-quality women and D-quality men. So if you are a leftover woman, you are A-quality."
But it's the "A-quality" of intelligent and educated women that the government most wants to procreate, according to Leta Hong-Fincher. She cites a statement on population put out by the State Council - China's cabinet - in 2007.
"It said China faced unprecedented population pressures, and that the overall quality of the population is too low, so the country has to upgrade the quality of the population."
Some local governments in China have taken to organising matchmaking events, where educated young women can meet eligible bachelors.
The goal is not only to improve the gene pool, believes Fincher, but to get as many men paired off and tied down in marriage as possible - to reduce, as far as possible, the army of restless, single men who could cause social havoc.
But the tendency to look down on women of a certain age who aren't married isn't exclusively an attitude promoted by the government.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Thin women from a poor country.
There are ebooks already.......... (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13895.0)
Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........
Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........
Manny -
yes, seems they have jumped in there..
No idea how the affiliate network was set up , but seems they have it in place
and operating.
It would seem a big emmerging market
Manny have you been to California or Hawaii? Chinese everywhere. Even before Hong Kong reverted back to China there were large inflows of Chinese, now there's even more Chinese in the US. Apparently it's easy for Chinese to get a visa to the US. US colleges and universities are full of Chinese students.
Manny have you been to California or Hawaii? Chinese everywhere. Even before Hong Kong reverted back to China there were large inflows of Chinese, now there's even more Chinese in the US. Apparently it's easy for Chinese to get a visa to the US. US colleges and universities are full of Chinese students.
Same here in England Bill, it's an easy entry route for Visa, which the UK is meant to be making harder, I know many chinese who live in Birmingham who use this as way of entry, yes birmingham of all places in the world they still choose to move to ;D
Although I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, it's not ethical, honest.
Anteros, taking the tours is not what it is all about.
Don ho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Posy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smoking with very western features.
It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
What am I missing?
Thin women from a poor country.
(http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13895.0)
Its a huge market. As Russia once was. Men have been going there for years and quietly importing wives but it has never hit the mainstream media much for some reason. Anyone who has been to Scandinavia knows those guys fondness for those type of women. You cant miss them.
Donho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Psy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smokin with very western features.
A pal of mine goes to China very often on business. Japan too. It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
Its probably the new MOB market as the doors of the FSU close.
I'm agreeing with Guppy. I'm not into Chinese/Asian ladies at all. If you want something bad enough there will be a way to get it.As has been said many times before, if you can date women of the level you search in your own country, then it is possible. Many women will follow you
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there. Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU. South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English. So if they want to go West they needed a husband.
When I was in western Ukraine, I found much less English, than in central and southern UkraineWest Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there. Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU. South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English. So if they want to go West they needed a husband.
So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
:D
That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
:popcorn:
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there. Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU. South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English. So if they want to go West they needed a husband.
So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
:D
That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
:popcorn:
You can add Africa and Asia for Aweb. They have been heavily involved with these regions for 3 plus years now. Plus South America.
One thing for certain being an American it will be tougher to meet RW in East and South Ukraine. West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there. Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU. South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English. So if they want to go West they needed a husband.
Because some are challenged when Manny says "overnight" he means the dynamics will change the rules of the "playing" field and in a very short time period.
- Ukraine is now politically unstable. It is looking likely that Crimea will revert to Russian territory, and the rest will go through a period of unrest before joining the EU. I think EU membership will be accelerated by
Americaoutside forces; and the moment that happens Ukraine will be a closed shop for women. And I mean overnight. I saw it happen in the Baltics with my own eyes - and it was fast.
I always have wanted a red head . . .
- Now for reasons we need not argue here, that place needs to be quite poor, not black and not Muslim. It needs lots of women, and they need to be slim to cater for most guys tastes. Again we find ourselves at the door of China.
- The MOB industry knows what we want before we do
- Anyone who travels in Europe frequently cannot have failed to notice the explosion of guys with Oriental looking wives. Some will probably be Thai, but many are Chinese. Guys from Scandinavia, Germany and Holland are increasingly marrying oriental ladies. While some guys in the UK and America do marry these ladies already, the "industry" and information resources as we know it with the Russian speaking market is not really as slick yet with the Chinese (or Thai) market. . .
For those that are not inclined to do that, or cannot afford to do so, and for those that want an easy-peasy only-one-visit-and-import-a-wife (which is many) scenario, China seems a likely option.
That said, I am planning to start to do some some business in China this year and will likely be visiting there in October. I have been reading tons of books already on the culture, the language, and from what I have read already, I think getting in tune with that culture will be hard for many westerners.
So although the MOB industry is shifting from Russian speaking countries to China (and to a lesser extent Thailand, South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong) I think guys have a bigger learning curve to "get" that culture. And how can you marry a woman whose culture you don't get? I don't think you can successfully. As with Russian speaking countries, I think you need to take an interest in, and learn, her culture, some basic language and certainly the alphabet. As you expect her to do with yours.
Chinese girls are the new Russian girls. You read it here first.
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been. (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been. (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/
begarano, if you read Andrew's posts you'll find he's mostly making stuff up. I'm sure he and Manny (site owner) do it to increase the post count.
My ex was from Shanghai. Been to China more than a few times with friends who have business in the country. I started going with my ex to visit her family. Been with friends who have business in China. Mostly in Shanghai and farther south. Never was that impressed with Beijing, hated the pollution.
West Ukraine the wife hunter never pulled a lot of women out of there. Mainly because they grew up learning Ukrainian and English and easily got jobs in the EU. South and East women grew up learning Russian and Ukrainian and not English. So if they want to go West they needed a husband.
So a significantly greater number of western Ukrainians speak English versus , southern , central, and eastern Ukraine?
:D
That just seems a bit far fetched as the main reason...
for the lack of MOB in western ukraine.
:popcorn:
That was NOT what kievstar was saying.
What he was telling us was that because the women in the west were more likely than their eastern sisters to learn English they were more likely to be able to move westward under their own steam. Women whose education tended to orient them eastward were more likely to need to move westward through marriage because for them it was the easier way to proceed.
Without reference to Ukraine specifically, going back many years, that was pretty much my observation too but applied to the FSU as a whole. Having English as a strong language is a great enabler of movement, for example, for younger people it opens the doors to university study in Europe that would not be possible if one's languages did not include English. A person with Russian skills will tend to be forced to study (and work) in Russian speaking areas - or get out by means of marriage.
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
Andrew, with a country of more than 1.3 BILLION people, roughly how many are you talking about when you say "not very many women that you'd see as attractive."
Are you thinking maybe 22 or 25 women, 250-300 women, or possibly more?
When you get to China you are going to see that there are not very many women that you'd see as attractive.
You are talking complete and utter rot, I doubt you have ever been. (:) And even if you have, you are still talking complete and utter rot/
begarano, if you read Andrew's posts you'll find he's mostly making stuff up. I'm sure he and Manny (site owner) do it to increase the post count.
My ex was from Shanghai. Been to China more than a few times with friends who have business in the country. I started going with my ex to visit her family. Been with friends who have business in China. Mostly in Shanghai and farther south. Never was that impressed with Beijing, hated the pollution.
Beijing and Shanghai are megacities - pollution, tons of people, mad traffic - there is life there for sure. I lived out in Henan though and they used to say that Shanghai girls are the bossiest in China? Is that true? I only dated Henan girls and they were great! :)
While I wouldn't doubt more western Ukrainians work in the EU, the odds are significantly higher that it is due to a large polish ukrainian mix, in the entire area dating back decades.Family and business connections in the region.
While I wouldn't doubt more western Ukrainians work in the EU, the odds are significantly higher that it is due to a large polish ukrainian mix, in the entire area dating back decades.Family and business connections in the region.
No, it is because the mentality is very different. Ukrainians from that region have always emigrated to the West. Far, far more so than did Ukrainians from the Russian Empire.
Western Ukrainians work all over the EU, and even in North America illegally. It is the way it has always been.
Westcoast, get out of your armchair, do something with the few years you have ahead of you, don't be the bloke who dies and wishes he had done more with his final years than buy the new Lay Z Boy with the built in fridge.
Westcoast, get out of your armchair, do something with the few years you have ahead of you, don't be the bloke who dies and wishes he had done more with his final years than buy the new Lay Z Boy with the built in fridge.
To be fair to Westy, he has told us on other topics of his personal experience in that part of the world.
Its great Bejarano has stopped by again, especially with his recent experience, as I am heading to China this year (on business - not women hunting I might add). Always nice to get the opinions of actual travellers. :nod:
I am away for a day or two from about now, it'd be great if bejarano stuck around as I think the whole China subject is one that will grow legs as tensions in Ukraine rise.
Manny mentioned one of the reasons guys might start to go to China to find wives: there are lots of slender girls there. In 2003 or 2004 I taught at a tax seminar. Most of the people who attended were young people who worked either in the big 4 public accounting firms or in the tax departments of large corporations. I distinctly remember first walking into the auditorium on the first morning of the seminar. The place seemed to be filled with young, incredibly slender East Asian girls. By the end of the week I remember thinking that there is American slender and East Asian slender; they're on different scales.Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women? :)
A few years later I dated some Chinese girls who had immigrated to the US. They all had beautiful hair. One was slender while the others were incredibly slender. I met one of them at a seminar. I thought she was in her late twenties, but when I got to know her she told me she was 41. She was so slender that she bought size zero skirts and had the waist taken in. Chinese women seem generally to age gracefully.
I never thought about going to China to look for a wife. I never thought about looking abroad at all before a friend of mine began telling me about his FSUW search. But soon after beginning my search I was hooked on FSUW.
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women? :)
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Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women? :)
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.
Its is the huge selling point isn't it? Be it in Russia/Ukraine or Asia. Guys like slim because our local women usually aren't. The ones that are, are often so heavily pursued that they get an inflated sense of self-worth, which creates it's own problems in a relationship.
Is it just me or does Larry really like "slender" women? :)
Its is the huge selling point isn't it? Be it in Russia/Ukraine or Asia. Guys like slim because our local women usually aren't. The ones that are, are often so heavily pursued that they get an inflated sense of self-worth, which creates it's own problems in a relationship.
If I want to buy a Corvette, I wont look in England or Belgium. In either country the car will be overpriced because its imported, "special" and different. If I wanted a Corvette, I would go to the US where I can take my pick of low mileage examples.........
Even after import costs, light conversions and local fees, the US car will cost less by the time it is on my drive than a local one would.
Similar, no? :hidechair:
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.
See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.
See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.
I do know that you don't think of women in that way. Which is why I was shocked at the analogy.
I suppose so, if women are a commodity to be purchased like automobiles.
See, I knew you would say that. And I do not think of women as purchasable commodities; and I think you know that.
I do know that you don't think of women in that way. Which is why I was shocked at the analogy.
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.
In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.
I got it too. It was still a poor analogy.
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.
In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.
I don't think I put that in my profile but from what I've heard from guys who have done that is that they get a lot of angry messages from fat girls. I suppose that's what we get in the era of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance:
In China, if you were writing a personals ad, you wouldn't put in
'Wanted, slim/slender woman' because the vast majority of them are.
In the UK or USA, that requirement might have to be pointed out a bit more clearly.
I don't think I put that in my profile but from what I've heard from guys who have done that is that they get a lot of angry messages from fat girls. I suppose that's what we get in the era of organizations such as the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance:
Actually, I state that I'm looking for "fit" and "in shape" on my current online dating profiles. I don't get hate mail, but I still get fat women writing me.
I got it too. It was still a poor analogy.
Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.
I got it too. It was still a poor analogy.
Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.
No, it isn't. Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.
However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model. Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.
I got it too. It was still a poor analogy.
Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.
No, it isn't. Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.
However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model. Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.
I got it too. It was still a poor analogy.
Actually the analogy was spot on. Relax..........geeeeez.
No, it isn't. Comparing women to tangible assets is, well, appalling.
However, if you wish to continue the analogy, I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model. Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.
Men do it with other men as well...
'He looks strong, he is built like a tank'
And women do it to men as well...
'He is so lovely I would devour him like a bar of chocolate'
So the faux-offence you have took is severely misplaced.
And of course then there are the women, FSU and western, who are looking for a wealthy/rich husband. In this women are asking for more than men. After all, wealth, well managed, can last not only a lifetime, but generations. Beauty no matter how well cared for has a finite lifespan of a few decades.
What am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.
Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?
Here are my questions specifically:
- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics — bars, restaurants, gyms
- What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings
- Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?
- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?
- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?
- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY
Please hold your insults — I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them — in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.
Dear Pers-431649184:
I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.
Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity... in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!
So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!
So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold... hence the rub... marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.
Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.
By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.
With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
And of course then there are the women, FSU and western, who are looking for a wealthy/rich husband. In this women are asking for more than men. After all, wealth, well managed, can last not only a lifetime, but generations. Beauty no matter how well cared for has a finite lifespan of a few decades.
This reminds me of the Craigslist posting that went viral on the internet seven years ago. A beautiful girl asked for advice in finding a guy to marry in New York City whose income was at least half a million dollars a year.QuoteWhat am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.
Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?
Here are my questions specifically:
- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics — bars, restaurants, gyms
- What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings
- Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?
- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?
- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?
- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY
Please hold your insults — I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them — in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.
A guy who claimed to be a Wall Street trader made the following response:QuoteDear Pers-431649184:
I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.
Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity... in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!
So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!
So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold... hence the rub... marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.
Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.
By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.
With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
...I will say that many of those posting here are incapable of looking under the hood of any model. Which is why they need to import a model in the first place, and a slight majority of them end up with a defective product they eventually try to unload at the least possible cost to themselves.
Jeffrey and others for whom counting is a lost art.
If one is more than normally pervy for a 'type' that is not so commonly found in the UK or US then one might find a superficial attraction in China. So, if you are unable to find women attractive unless they are small, skinny with dark hair then yes, you might find more women to feed your fetish.
Here's a thing though, standards of beauty are noticeably different between Oriental and occidental. The women you might find attractive will, by local standards be not considered thus. 'Oh goody' you say, but here's the rub. The Chinese women over whom you have been fetishising don't really exist. The Chinese women you see in media are not in any way representative of the real women on the street because you are getting fed the Chinese restaurant version of Chinese beauty. A made up, fictional 'menu' only eaten by gwai lo.
Because the women you meet are chasing the 'local' ideals of beauty you will not see many women who appeal to your tastes because they are not aiming themselves at you.
Of course they are out there - they work in clubs and bars serving the needs of foreign business men, but they are not the women you are looking for, I think.
And yes, you will see some stunning women. Just as in your country they are rare and, just as in your country, they are unattainable to you. There's reasons for that too!
Not only are most women, just as anywhere else, not willing to move to another country to get married, to most of these women you look disgustingly ugly, you smell bad and you are just too damned big.
Yes, there are women who have trained themselves to overcome these issues, many of them can be found as mentioned above, serving your needs in clubs and bars.
And, lets not get into the different races and ethnicities that make up 'Chinese' and the Chinese 'look' because that'll just mess with your head. But wait till you get on the big silver bird, then you'll see. ;)
I have to say, that is the biggest load of complete and utter shite I have ever read about Chinese women.
Jeffrey and others for whom counting is a lost art.
An average is a value around which most data points cluster.
An average does not shift just because there are millions of data points or very few (once one is past the minimum number to be statistically valid). Thus, most of the people (women) that one will see are average in appearance. A few will be attractive - but there's reasons why there's fewer than you think.
I have to say, that is the biggest load of complete and utter shite I have ever read about Chinese women.
Andy, is an expert in all things. It doesn't matter whether he has experience or
not, knowledge or not, simply because of his super brilliant brain he is able to
pontificate on any subject and is always right. If you disagree with you will find
he is also an expert in psychology and will assign you a number of brain maladies
or psychological conditions and of course call you a liar.
Just because you have much more experience and knowledge regarding a subject
than him as has been proven time and time again that his expertise is greater
than all others in all situations and because of that he should never be questioned.
I put the blow hard on ignore and don't have to read his expert opinions on matters
he knows little about or his opinions expressed as facts.
Udachi
Bill
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience :)
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience :)
Yeah, but some of us are cursed with not having much of an attraction towards Asians and having a significant attraction towards Slavic women.
I recently tried dating in Malaysia and Thailand whilst travelling on my way to FSU and it was a very positive experience and was a much more enjoyable experience than the Ukrainian & Russian women I have dated thus far. It might be heretical to say on a forum like this but it has been my experience :)
Bejarano, so, you are going to tell us that standard of beauty are uniform worldwide, or just that in China they happen to be the same as in, well, whatever country you come from?
Yes there are different races but you are going t have a hard time convincing anyone who is at al objective that there are lots of tall zoftig women. You'll be telling us that they are all blonde as well.
Bejarano, I know nothing about you, but I think that you go around with eyes closed. Perhaps in the same way that many guys here think all women in Russia or Ukraine are gorgeous. If all you saw when you were there was a small slice of the people in a western oriented work environment
Then you will have been in the same kind of bubble that a whole load of deluded wife hunters in Ukraine find themselves.
You will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?
He is not as new as you think.
Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)
He is not as new as you think.
Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)
Always glad to be back. tiphat
He is not as new as you think.
Bejarano was here a loooong time ago. He just didn't say much. :)
Always glad to be back. tiphat
(emphasis above mine)QuoteYou will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?
There are 250 million learners of English in China, the majority of those being women, so I was meeting:
Shop girls
Students
Teachers
Police, army or civil servants
Office Workers
Most have degrees and a good education, most have had one previous boyfriend or even none at all, a lot of them are virgins and a lot of them are sweet, nice and a bit naive but honest in their intentions.
So, the main crux of my argument is that if you want a nice woman then you will find everything that you want in China. Try it! :)
(emphasis above mine)QuoteYou will have been meeting the women I wrote about up thread, but how would you know otherwise?
There are 250 million learners of English in China, the majority of those being women, so I was meeting:
Shop girls
Students
Teachers
Police, army or civil servants
Office Workers
Most have degrees and a good education, most have had one previous boyfriend or even none at all, a lot of them are virgins and a lot of them are sweet, nice and a bit naive but honest in their intentions.
So, the main crux of my argument is that if you want a nice woman then you will find everything that you want in China. Try it! :)
Probably more than 250 million. The Chinese government is pushing students to learn English in school and in college and university it's mandatory to varying degrees depending on your course of study. Anyone in the business community and anyone who wants to work overseas or work locally with overseas businesses is trying to learn English. Five hundred million wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility IMHO.
The Chinese are a very practical people. They realize Mandarin will never be the world's language of business or politics so they're simply out to master English. Are you a native speaker of English and have a degree in anything? You can teach English in China. Unofficially you probably don't even need a degree or even to be a native speaker of English.
Want to work in Shanghai or Beijing or Shenzen or any major urban area in China teaching English? You've got a job, it's really the closest thing to a sure thing there is. Of course you've got to pay your way to China and the pay isn't the greatest but you can live on it locally. For a recent college graduate it's a start.
bejarano have you ever seen Dashan perform (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2010/06/13/one_of_chinas_biggest_celebrities_is_a_canadian_eh.html)? He puts on a fantastic show.
I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW. Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional. I found both to be true with my current wife.
Several?LOL I don't know. My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW. Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional. I found both to be true with my current wife.
That probably has as much to do with the several decades difference in age to your former wife than any "cultural" or ethnicity differences. :)
Several?LOL I don't know. My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)
Long time no see, Ken. tiphatThe Chinese culture is way strange for me. Remember, I am Russian so I had no real adjustment to make with my Russian ex. I am enjoying the different culture but it is not being forced upon me. Ping accepts American customs quite willingly and doesn't criticize them too much.
How do you find the cultural differences? How is your wife adapting to the States?
Hello Ken tiphatI had business, health and wife go sideways all at once. The good news is that I'm alive, comfortable and happy. Glad to hear you are well.
It has been a while. Glad to see you have bounced back and found another partner. Is business better now? I remember you were hit hard by the 2007 recession.
We are still together and the girls are growing up fast. Don't be a stranger. I always enjoyed reading your posts.
Best Wishes from us all :thumbsup:
Several?LOL I don't know. My ex Mother-in-law was wired just like her daughter (a little too tight)
Hey KenC welcome back,
Bill
Thank you Bill. What is your current status?
Wow! It's been a long time since posting here. (Manny, your news letter worked as it piqued my interest) As it happens, I actually may have something relevent to say on this subject as I now have been married to a Chinese lady for over a year. Below are my observations of the Asian Internet dating/introductions for marriage scene:
Probably one of the oldest foreign bride search organizations is Cherry Blossoms, They have been around longer than the Internet. They sent out catalogs of Asian women looking for foreign husbands years before anyone thought of a mouse as something other than a rodent. I would guess that 70% of CB women are Filipino, 20% Chinese with other countries (including FSU) making up the final 10%. As a side note, there are very very few Japanese women on the site . I believe that CB started with a concentration on Japan. Of course there are many websites that focus entirely on China.
My reasons for "going Asian" were that I believed that Asian women held their beauty much better than FSUW or AW. As I was seeking a more "age appropriate" woman, this was more important than someone looking for a younger woman. I also believed that Asian women would have a much more calm personality over a FSUW. Not submissive but less confrontational and less emotional. I found both to be true with my current wife.
No one here will get an argument from me that Eastern European women are the most beautiful in the world. It is just a matter of priorities.
KenC
Q36ESM,
I can only speak of my wife's tendencies not for all CW. Ping actually has put my family ahead of her own in many ways. Although her parents are gone, she still has a sister, brother, son and granddaughter in China.
.
I know there are more men than women in China, however there are dozens of western facing dating sites full of Chinese women....
I know there are more men than women in China, however there are dozens of western facing dating sites full of Chinese women....
And how many are real profiles of real people who want to marry foreigners?
And Russian women want to get away from wife beating alcoholic men...
There's always a story.
And Russian women want to get away from wife beating alcoholic men...
There's always a story.
I would think that this is the case in all cultures.
Chinese women now prefer tall,blue eyed, blonde white guys. Yeah right. Did you guys look at yourselves? Then factor in that many Chinese, genuinely, think we are ugly and smell of rotten meat and sour milk.
Aweb doing Chinese women now? That's a big market! Or will be........
Manny -
yes, seems they have jumped in there..
No idea how the affiliate network was set up , but seems they have it in place
and operating.
It would seem a big emmerging market
Its a huge market. As Russia once was. Men have been going there for years and quietly importing wives but it has never hit the mainstream media much for some reason. Anyone who has been to Scandinavia knows those guys fondness for those type of women. You cant miss them.
Donho, I never liked the idea of Oriental women that much (from what we generally see here), but look at some of Psy's music videos (OK, he is from Korea but similar genetic), some of the women in those are smokin with very western features.
A pal of mine goes to China very often on business. Japan too. It seems many of those women like us. Disapproving locals call them "bananas" - yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
Its probably the new MOB market as the doors of the FSU close.
As ever, in almost every case, brush up on your social skills and find a woman from your own peer group and community and stop wasting your lives.
As ever, in almost every case, brush up on your social skills and find a woman from your own peer group and community and stop wasting your lives.
A veritable fountain of encouragement and enthusiasm, aren't we Andrew?
I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!
I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!
Manny, not only is it becoming the next Ukraine, but also the last frontier. If for reasons we will not discuss here, the country must be poor, non Muslim and non black, then this brings us to China. Unless N Korea would have a regime change, China would be the last frontier since most of SE Asia, specifically Thailand is already over fished.
Much like the great European powers carved up the world in 1885, and each power took their part of the pie, there isn't much left to conquer....
I am enthusiastically encouraging blokes like you to find a wife, a life partner, with whom you can be happy. A decades-long pursuit of loneliness and sadness is not something I'd wish on anyone, with the possible exception of moby!
Man are you guys down on Moby... he can't be that bad. :)
Maybe I've got the wrong idea of what this process will entail, but I fail to see how it'll be decades-long (I'll probably be dead by then) and filled with loneliness and sadness. Now take the other day for example, I set up lunch with a couple of old school mates. Figured I'd corner them under the guise of 'catching up' to get their take on some travel to the FSU with me. They were only moderately interested until I mentioned that I'm paying for everyone; they seemed on-board after that (my point: far from lonely and sad). I want to do some general travel first to get a lay of the land, then worry about dating and courtship. If the dating end of the deal doesn't materialize I think the time and money spent traveling will still prove worthwhile. As they say, life is what you make of it.
I've never been too enchanted with Asians, but there are definitely some beautiful Asian women out there. Would I visit China? No. Japan? Maybe.
I’m your wingman! :chuckle:
moby, the first step to understanding is reading. Try reading.
Here's the graph, to make it super-easy on you:
'Sorry', andrew, dear... if you are going to try your 'Moby lacks Eng comprehension skills' tactic - you'd better read up on the last month's GBP v Rouble movements..
Here's the graph, to make it super-easy on you:/quote]
Except *I* referred to April 2015- to the present date ( hence the THREE YEARS ) when andrewfi - was telling us about the 'recovery' of the rouble ...
Try choosing the FIVE year graph from ex.comand you'll see how 'easy' it is for you to say - "DUH MOBY - I jumped in too quick" ;)
I dunno if Cyprus uses Euro and/or Turkish lira where you were (turkey or greek side) so:
In August 2017, you could buy 4.43 TRL for 1 GBP, nowadays you can buy 5.29 TRL for 1 GBP... Huge depreciation there, for the LIRA!
Mark.
The rump RoC uses the Euro and the TR controlled north will take anything in preference to the Tl;)
Thanks for inadvertently backing me up - as I posted - yesterday - that along with Venezuela - about the only currency doing worse than the GBP ( since leave was thought to have a chance of winning ) was the ...... Turkish Lira
No. Japan? Maybe.Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.
No. Japan? Maybe.Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.
Mark.
No. Japan? Maybe.Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.
Mark.
I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.
A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.
Japan isn't perfect , not at all no.No. Japan? Maybe.Take into account that Japan is a 1st world country , women from there won't emigrate for Economic reasons whatsoever.
Mark.
I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.
A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.
I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.
A business acquaintance of mine visited Japan a couple of years ago. He made the foolish mistake of leaving his (valuable) camera in the back of a taxi when he got out at his destination (a restaurant). The poor sap didn't even realize he was missing his camera until about halfway through lunch. A quick call to the dispatcher had the missing camera found and delivered back to his hotel before he even got there, no charge. Seems like a pretty idyllic country... I just don't have much interest in Asian women.
I'm sure Japan must have some flaws to find somewhere, but from the things I've heard, Japan is 'perfect.' The streets are clean, good industry, etc.
My RU step-son is engaged to a Japanese lass - she is 5'8" tall !
They have got her leave to remain in the UK - but is is out in Japan - checking out whether they can maybe make a better go of this there - He is pretty gifted at picking up languages
Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.
The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.
My brother married a Japanese girl while he was in Hawaii.
When her parents first found out that she was seeing him,
they took her back to Japan and took away her passport.
She got another passport flew back to Hawaii and married
him, so they disowned her until she started making babies
and then her mother flew to the USA to see her and sorta
made up.
I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.
They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.
Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.
The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.
My brother married a Japanese girl while he was in Hawaii.
When her parents first found out that she was seeing him,
they took her back to Japan and took away her passport.
She got another passport flew back to Hawaii and married
him, so they disowned her until she started making babies
and then her mother flew to the USA to see her and sorta
made up.
I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.
They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.
Some guys like Asians, some like Latinas, etc.
I happen to be attracted to caucasian girls so I've got to pay the fine of being labelled a racist. :'(
Warning, this is heavy on generalization. Not all Japanese
are the same.
The Japanese are terribly racist. There aren't many jobs
available for Gaijin. It's hard at all to find a Japanese
girl who would like you, it is hard to find Japanese parents
that will.
I didn't date many because they were mostly 5' 2" which
doesn't align very well with my height. Side note, at least
back in the day, their carpets were of the 1970's vintage
of straight, long, long hair and they often cut their head
hair short.
They don't have nice butts or maybe one in a thousand
does.
1. UK folk - judging by the number of Car plant they have here, currently.
2. 'Carpets' ? ;)
3. Long hair is quite fashionable in Japan and young people emulate western stars
4. As for their arses - as we'd say in the UK - "should gone to Spec-savers" ;)
:laugh:
Step-son is living and working IN Japan with Japanese partners and lovin' it..
Remember, you don't need to 'sell' FSU W to me ;)
I would like to know if anyone here, specifically Manny has been to China recently?
Would it still be considered like Russia and Ukraine twenty years ago?
So you want to know about the women? Wall to wall size zero, long hair, heels and miniskirts. Plenty of westerners married to them here too. If you like Chinese women, it would probably be a goldmine for the single guy who did some research, plugged himself into the culture and learned some basic Mandarin.
China will never be the new Ukraine for one simple reason..
Most guys (Not all) are going to Ukraine for a few simple reasons :
1. Its cheap most budget airlines now fly there . Its possible to arrive in Kiev for $60 from much of Europe.
2. No need for a visa
3. They need a cheaper version of a cleaner/house maid/cook/washer up and sex doll. Something that is not so easy to get in Russia.
So China :
1. Flights will be 3/4/5/6 times what they are used to paying.
2. They will need a China visa (Most can't afford a Russian visa, so a China visa will be out of the question)
3. China is a big country and they will probably need a connecting flight to some remote rural place where the washers ups/cooks and cleaners live.
I can see some one arriving in Beijing and picking up a cheap wife.. so a connecting flight will be the norm.
So I think that sums it up in a nut shell really..
The greater issue is cultural. There is an enormous gulf between any Western culture and that of a Chinese woman in a region if some one wants a true relationship.
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. . . About the only plus point that I can think of is that the Chinese women that Westerners find physically attractive tend to be physically unattractive to Chinese men so they will be able to, more easily, find a woman that they fancy who is not already hooked up.Interesting observation. Curious can you expand on this part from your viewpoint.
then it is likely that it will be even harder to find a compatible partner in China than from Eastern Europe.
There's quite a large set of cultural differences between the United States and Eastern Europe but that's as nothing compared to the gulf between the USA and China.
There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle. You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.
On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.
There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.
There is a problem with the Chinese woman as a spouse. They come with Chinese parents who are expecting their only daughter to care for them the rest of their life. This is something that many western men may find hard to handle. You may find your self caring for an aging parent in an FSU country but as far as I know it is not likely to be anything like what would be expected if your spouse were Chinese. I have a friend who is experiencing this.
On one of my trips to the Ukraine, I met a young Chinese woman at an airport. WE talked for several hours waiting on a plane. She said she would only marry a Chinese man because she knows it would be difficult for a western man to support her need to care for her parents. She was like most Chinese women an only daughter and a only child. This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.
There are things more important things than the girl's butt or how much hair she has.
They also tend to have a little more hair where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:
AvHdB asked about support for my point about beauty. Well, for me it was first-hand experience from time spent in China and from experience in life in general. There's not a huge amount of academic research on the topic but here's a well-written piece that covers the kind of ground that I was referring to:
http://qr.ae/TUp5Qv
The comments are well worth a read as well. Have a look at the images in the first comment.
They also tend to have a little more hair where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:
This is her parent's only hope to have a family in the late life. This is very important in Chinese cultural.
They also tend to have a little more hair where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:
How many Chinese women have you dated, Steveboy?))
I dated a Taiwanese lass living in the UK who was THE main supplier for Tie-Rack....( what ever happened to them?)
Cannot say I remember her being excessively forested.
We fell about laughing when she told her Mum ..on speaker phone...that my latest gf wasn't a Russian Tart...but Chinese..and bald down there ...
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!
They have a 'middle class', money and heard about FSU ladies ? ;)
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!
White is the prize.
What is the story with Chinese men then? They are flocking to Ukraine and Russia now looking for a wife!
They also tend to have a little more hair where many Eastern European women don't .. :laugh:
Why? It is mostly true.White is the prize.
I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...
Why? It is mostly true.White is the prize.
I am surprised that someone who has been to China would post as such...
White skinned people are considered upper-class because it isn't tanned by the sun (manual labour). Therefore European guys with White skin are definately considered upper-class and therefore prized.
Exactly what I meant. Why in China we see girls walking around with parasols and umbrellas to stay as white as possible. Its not a big jump from there to see why some Chinese guys are wife hunting in the FSU.
However, rather than discuss like a normal person, Moby went into knee-jerk Liberal faux offence and PC mode. His lot do that.
Perhaps Moby can discuss with some Chinese their thoughts on this with his advanced Mandarin. I expect he is fluent in Cantonese as well. Whatever the subject, Moby claims to either speak the language and/or have a great many friends from there and was usually there only last week. I'm sure he has Xi Jinping in his address book. :ROFL:
I apologise.
Given your normal attitude to ethnic minorities - one could excuse the assumption.
NOTHING to do with my right of centre
politics politically ( economic perspective) -
This is your continued fibbing mantra
My experience of China - Hong Kong - WAY predates yours and you ain't the only member going to mainland China / doing biz ..
I don't boast of my contacts in govt as when they don't listen to one's 'campaigns' - it looks like they don't regard one as serious.....
I know Cantonese Chinese, better..
Perhaps you should read some Clavell to understand how many Chinese view us....'Barbarians'...
Exactly how much Cantonese do you know? "lei sik m sik yei ah, lei pok gai." You can't even order tea and egg tarts for dim sum.
Clavell's Tai pan was written 60 years ago old man. About as old as as your antiquated thinking regarding Asians.
This is your continued fibbing mantra
Ahh politically right of centre? You? About as right of centre as Michael Foot I'd say.
You'll note I predicted above you'd say similar. If you happen to be in Hong Kong, Dongguan, Guangdong or Guangzhou in October, I'll buy you a cup of tea.
I don't boast of my contacts in govt as when they don't listen to one's 'campaigns' - it looks like they don't regard one as serious.....
Should I guess what this blathering is or who its about? Is this me? Is this Russian gov or UK gov? I know people in both. Not to name drop but I was with Johnny Mercer last night, but I digress.
Allow me to remind you Moby, the topic here is: Chinese Women: The New Ukraine?
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's
You should have introduced yourself..
Care to share where you opinion diverges?
Having lived in Hong Kong during the 1980's
You should have introduced yourself..
Care to share where you opinion diverges?
My suspicion is with over 1,000 posts Yankee does not need to introduce himself. Moby you are almost as bad as your new best boyfriend Mr. Decepetion. Please try to be a little less argybargy. [/size][/font]
As a fairly long term Asia resident, I'll add my tuppence.
Mainland and un-westernised Chinese girls: in the main, don't go there. The gender imbalance caused by the one child policy means females are holding all the dating power. Women from larger cities tend to be transactional. Women from smaller cities can be a better bet, but family traditions mean you'll be expected to support the extended family forever, and the demands will never cease. The cultural incompatibilities are a minefield. They don't pick up English well. Gold digger attitudes are rife. Many Chinese men are looking abroad to Vietnam and so on, as they are finding the odds are stacked against them back home. YMMV but it's a roulette and the house odds are working against a happy union.
Mainland but westernised Chinese girls - as in, live in PRC but have lived and been educated abroad. Can be fine but your odds are no better than looking for a westernised Asian at home. Why not just go to Vancouver or your nearest Chinese diaspora hotspot to look? You'll also get access to Hong Kong and Hainanese background girls.
Taiwanese girls - I really like Taiwan and Taiwanese culture. It's highly compatible with Western mores, and some of the coolest people I've ever met are from Taiwan. Their women are pretty. They all speak English. Family is still important but it's less transactional. Meeting one online may hard. I am sure there are normal dating websites. Taipei is a damned cool place to spend time anyway.
Singapore and Hong Kong girls - both good cultures to marry into, westernised, many are Christian if that's important to you. A little bit entitled, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. These are wealthy countries and the girls don't have a gold-digger attitude - but they will only choose a man with wealth in the first place. It's a given. Hong Kong women tend to be prettier and curvier. Singapore women tend to have flat feet and walk badly in heels, which may be partly genetic, and partly related to the hot hot climate that means they wear flip-flops through childhood with no instep support.
Indonesian women are the prettiest for me, in Asia. They are curvy yet petite, and lots of fun - but any sensible chap knows, one needs to be careful when dating in developing countries.
As a fairly long term Asia resident, I'll add my tuppence.
Mainland and un-westernised Chinese girls: in the main, don't go there. The gender imbalance caused by the one child policy means females are holding all the dating power. Women from larger cities tend to be transactional. Women from smaller cities can be a better bet, but family traditions mean you'll be expected to support the extended family forever, and the demands will never cease. The cultural incompatibilities are a minefield. They don't pick up English well. Gold digger attitudes are rife. Many Chinese men are looking abroad to Vietnam and so on, as they are finding the odds are stacked against them back home. YMMV but it's a roulette and the house odds are working against a happy union.
Mainland but westernised Chinese girls - as in, live in PRC but have lived and been educated abroad. Can be fine but your odds are no better than looking for a westernised Asian at home. Why not just go to Vancouver or your nearest Chinese diaspora hotspot to look? You'll also get access to Hong Kong and Hainanese background girls.
Taiwanese girls - I really like Taiwan and Taiwanese culture. It's highly compatible with Western mores, and some of the coolest people I've ever met are from Taiwan. Their women are pretty. They all speak English. Family is still important but it's less transactional. Meeting one online may hard. I am sure there are normal dating websites. Taipei is a damned cool place to spend time anyway.
Singapore and Hong Kong girls - both good cultures to marry into, westernised, many are Christian if that's important to you. A little bit entitled, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. These are wealthy countries and the girls don't have a gold-digger attitude - but they will only choose a man with wealth in the first place. It's a given. Hong Kong women tend to be prettier and curvier. Singapore women tend to have flat feet and walk badly in heels, which may be partly genetic, and partly related to the hot hot climate that means they wear flip-flops through childhood with no instep support.
Indonesian women are the prettiest for me, in Asia. They are curvy yet petite, and lots of fun - but any sensible chap knows, one needs to be careful when dating in developing countries.
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Omega, if, after all this time of 'seriously' looking for a wife you find yourself asking this kind of question then the reason that you are not married is not about the women you meet, or fantasize about.
The reason you are not married is looking at you every time you look in the mirror. So, get yourself sorted out - go on a diet, get your career on track, get a social life in your hometown and I bet that you find a great life partner in short order.
If a man can not find a woman who suits him from a population of over 300 million then adding a billion or two more candidates will not solve the problem because the problem isn't the women.[/b]
Omega, you are from Miami?! Tons of Russians there and also Latinas... I see you started posting in 2011, did you go to Russia between then and now?
I was working in Moscow last year. No shortage of young ladies to keep one's company.
Then may I ask what is the purpose of this forum?
Japan anecdote. A long time ago I met a Brit who had lived and worked in Japan and had a serious relationship with a local girl there.
Eventually, he proposed marriage to her. She had to ask her parents and and the parents said no to marrying a foreigner. And that was the end of it.
He left Japan broken-hearted.
My first wife was Japanese. Her father disowned her when he found out we were going to get married. Over time we were able to change his mind.
SK - I've never been there. I know many South Koreans here in SG and I know several happy unions between westerners and Korean women. SK is quite a feminist society and anecdotally, their women can be ball-breakers. On the other hand, they can also be drop-dead gorgeous.
Vietnam - I spend a lot of time there. Wonderful place to visit, but I don't trust Vietnamese at all. Their cultural attitude to money in relationships is er...well let's just say "transactional". It's one of the most corrupt societies in the world, and in the rural areas, one of the poorest still. They have zero concept of the values of openness, trust, honesty and transparency. I have seen dozens of first-hand reports of disastrous marriages to Vietnamese. I think a Chinese guy may have the cultural nous to tame one of these women, but a westerner could get turned into mincemeat. Furthermore, you'll be supporting an extended family for life. The sole purpose of having children in some Asian societies was historically to support you in your dotage. It's changing in the urban areas, but slowly. Great caution advised.
Taiwan has some major cultural differences from PRC. For a start, although Mandarin is universally spoken, most people are more comfortable in non-Mandarin dialects (Hokkien, Hakka) which gives them a distinct cultural identity and makes them "feel" different to mainland Chinese. Incidentally, Hokkien is mutually unintelligible with Mandarin so is best described as a language rather than a dialect. A comparison may be an Englishman trying to understand Dutch. The occasional word will make sense, but you sure as heck can't have a conversation.
Taiwan is a lot more westernised, has been historically less insular, and has longstanding business links with the USA and Europe. Taiwan has a lot more links to the west in terms of people being educated abroad, links to overseas diasporas and so on. Case in point: it's virtually impossible to do business in China as the white guy these days. They can even be openly hostile to foreigners. In Taiwan, they welcome doing business with foreigners. As such, Taiwan should be seen more like a semi-Chinese, partly westernised "China-lite" environment, a bit like HK or Singapore, although not to the same extent. A huge amount of Taiwanese have family links to HK and SG, too, which gives them exposure to more diverse culture often from an early age.
Japan anecdote. A long time ago I met a Brit who had lived and worked in Japan and had a serious relationship with a local girl there.
Eventually, he proposed marriage to her. She had to ask her parents and and the parents said no to marrying a foreigner. And that was the end of it.
He left Japan broken-hearted.
Thailand.
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?
Case in point: it's virtually impossible to do business in China as the white guy these days. They can even be openly hostile to foreigners. In Taiwan, they welcome doing business with foreigners.
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?
so what? sample size of ONE. newer generation are more open minded. your stepson is probably under 30. Most guys examples here are referring to older men.
I was 22 and my wife was 20. I was stationed there.
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?
so what? sample size of ONE. newer generation are more open minded. your stepson is probably under 30. Most guys examples here are referring to older men.
You DO know my step-son is getting married to a Japanese lass ?
Not the case at all. A good buddy of my works in Shanghai, he's a white guy. Been there 10 years now. Lots of foreigners coming, trying to set up shop to tap into the Chinese market. People are coming around to capitalism now.
And especially in HK where they were under British rule for over 100 years. there was a huge group of UK expats in the 80's 90's before the handover.
Howard Schultz of Starbucks did an interview in China recently. BIG business there:
HK's not the same as PRC and is still very friendly to westerners. In fact, a Mandarin speaking mainlander is likely to get a much cooler reception than a Brit, in business. Hong Kongers are furious with the mainlander politics and attitudes.
You just gotta take it from me that mainland China is comparatively hostile to foreigners these days. I'm here, and I see. MNCs are wising up to the fact that they need to hire locals as opposed to importing expats.
Dude man, his step son is getting married to a "Japanese lass". Didn't you know his other step son is getting married to a Taiwanese, his step daughter to a Malay... Didn't you know that Moby has you covered on every base????? This guy is a god man, he knows everything and already has every experience.
back to the thread topic....if you want a Chinese woman just find one in your own city or country. There is mass Chinese diaspora all over North America and Europe. If they grew up in your country all the better as they would speak English and know the culture.
Ones from HK and Taiwan tend to be more progressive thinking and adaptable. The nouveau riche from the mainland coming to my city now are highly arrogant and even the other Chinese groups think poorly of them.
if you want a Chinese woman just find one in your own city or country. There is mass Chinese diaspora all over North America and Europe. If they grew up in your country all the better as they would speak English and know the culture.
Ones from HK and Taiwan tend to be more progressive thinking and adaptable.