Hi Beel
Thanks for taking the trouble to post this !
Having met and married someone who - according to EM - stood zip chance of 'success' ( at the time) -
1/ 37 years, [ too, old]
2/ 16 yr old child - who had to finish Full time education
3/ spoke poor English,
4/ hair not extending down to her lower back,
5/ (miles from Ukraine ..Siberia)
....... well you get it..
AND knowing of two of her friends who have met and married in their 50th year - I think we can say that EM might be telling us what type of woman they WANT rather than knowing about 'success'....
Over half of the FSUW - WM marriages this 'ol git knows are ones' that EM would rate as 'highly unlikely' :chuckle:
Good find, Bill
What I found interesting was that in the section about correspondence
http://www.zamuzh.com/book/correspond/next2.htm
The advice is suggesting that the RW should advertise herself as a Western woman and instead of her housekeeping abilities tell about her paid job and signs that "she is living a life".
They posit that Western men are attracted to Western women and the only problem with Western women is that they don´t love Western men (or rather, the men seeking a foreign bride).
Even the chosen picture on that page, a woman on a motorcycle, sends a subtle message giving the woman a more masculine context.
This advice seems to target the men who are looking for a prettier and younger woman than they could attract in the West (that is, all of us) but excluding those who are also seeking a more traditional, feminine and homely woman. Perhaps the latter kind of men are, after all, a small minority in the FSUW pursuit.
Could it be that Russian women believe that they should appear like a Western woman to attract Western men? Or perhaps that is just the experience of the matchmaker that she is propagating through the instructions.
Mrs Moby has decent hair length (below shoulders) and in
addition is both thin and beautiful.
I might have messed up
her chart, I will try to fix it. In the next post (not translated
yet)
Elena describes some advantages regarding age etc.
With more age you get more experience and to emphasize
this in letters.
Udachi
Bill
Outstanding! tiphat
NOTE I Haven't figured this out
Figure (difference: increase is minus weight minus 100)
11 are more (25)
6-10 (15)
0-5 (0)
-5… 0 (- 15)
-6 it is more (- 30)
While I have no experience with the site/agency and it's pay per letter based, here's a fairly extensive list of articles and "advice" for both men and women; some of it reasonably good if you want to poke through it.
http://www.chanceforlove.com/archives/content/full/43
Bill, the bit about sizes is as follows:QuoteNOTE I Haven't figured this out
Figure (difference: increase is minus weight minus 100)
11 are more (25)
6-10 (15)
0-5 (0)
-5… 0 (- 15)
-6 it is more (- 30)
Height in centimeters-weight in kilos-100 = 'figure'
So, we can see that the greater the ratio between height and weight the more 'attractive' a woman is perceived. For many people, particularly Americans this is obviously true. In the US we can see that slenderness is, in and of itself, a standard of attractiveness. One can have a face like a bag of spanners but if not fat then one will be seen as attractive for no other reason than the lack of avoirdupois.
So, to take a real world example, ex girlfriend:
(171-57)-100= 14
giving an index figure of 14 and a points value of 25
Average American woman (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm)
(163-75)-100= -12
giving an index figure of -12 and a points value of -30
Average Russian woman (http://hasid.livejournal.com/559752.html)
(168-69)-100= -1
giving an index figure of -1 and a points value of -15
In truth though, not such a huge difference between the two groups as 'averages'. USAians have that outrider of huger obese people that shifts things along a tad. ;)
Hope that helps.
PS thanks Bill.
I doubt that there is anything in there that a sensible bloke would not suggest to a friend seeking a foreign husband, or on a domestic dating site but there are things that, if they knew, I am sure some posters here might object to.
While I have no experience with the site/agency and it's pay per letter based, here's a fairly extensive list of articles and "advice" for both men and women; some of it reasonably good if you want to poke through it.
http://www.chanceforlove.com/archives/content/full/43
Do you know how to access the Russian language part of the
agency?
Bill, while I am sure that some women and WIGs would find stuff to object about I confess I was more thinking of some of the men here. :ROFL:
A few of the pedestal preservation crowd might suffer a bout of
the flux :laugh:
A few of the pedestal preservation crowd might suffer a bout of
the flux :laugh:
Is the flux similar to the vapours?
Virtually all men who come to marriage agencies, are experiencing some difficulty in communicating with the opposite sex[/size] (this does not mean he has mental defects, just that these men are more shy).
Whether we like it or not, men are very simple and ask themselves: "would I like to have sex with that woman?" If the answer is
"Yes" , then the woman is attractive, if the answer is "No , then
she is not attractive. The decision is not made in the thinking part of his brain, it is made from the part where men used to dwell in caves.
Visit Elenas Models for complete information and a highly recommended site to meet the girl of your dreams. [/size]
http://www.elenasmodels_funny_advice.com/
Whether we like it or not, men are very simple and ask themselves: "would I like to have sex with that woman?" If the answer is
"Yes" , then the woman is attractive, if the answer is "No , then
she is not attractive. The decision is not made in the thinking part of his brain, it is made from the part where men used to dwell in caves.
Beel, I'm so glad you've found and posted this...
:ROFL:
So why did this footnote need to stay ?Visit Elenas Models for complete information and a highly recommended site to meet the girl of your dreams. [/size]
http://www.elenasmodels.com/ (http://www.elenasmodels.com/?goto=ladagirl)
It gave 'simple beasts' of both genders a good laugh .. if only our throats weren't so sore..
May be andrewfi can 'identify' with it better
Bill, I am sure that you are right.
Problem is that some of we 'simple beasts' really do not like to be told this.
Of course, the document that you are sharing was designed for a different gender of simple beast and thus is unlikely to sit well with simple beasts of a different gender.
It gave 'simple beasts' of both genders a good laugh ..
May be andrewfi can 'identify' with it better
You are doing the bull dog thing again,
Looking forward to the next instalment :popcorn:
It's just a fact of life that a lot of women in the FSU want to find a man who is closer to their home country.
many of the guys writing to FSU ladies and some of the idiots that do get on the plane - expecting to 'conquer all' and have women falling at theirfitFEET
Bill, nice to see they gave you a promotion around here! :) Long time no talk as well. :)
Hi Mervin
I'm afraid many FSU ladies *I* know wouldn't agree with your opinion... The US was THE most popular place to seek a partner.. why would it's distance not have been a 'concern' then, but it is now ?! ....
Sorry, but to be blunt .. many of the guys writing to FSU ladies and some of the idiots that do get on the plane - expecting to 'conquer all' and have women falling at their fit 'begging to be flown out of 'poverty'' have a LOT to do with a more jaded viewpoint .
WHO is to blame for that?.. Fellow American nationals who just want these guys green-backs...
Now my response is also over-generalised but it is an all too often quoted 'reason'. :(
Why won't Google translate this??? :chuckle:
It's just a fact of life that a lot of women in the FSU want to find a man who is closer to their home country.
I am sure, most would prefer finding a good man inside their home country as well tiphat My wife, for one, wasn't looking for a Canadian, she wasn't even looking for a foreigner, but she met me and the rest is history :-X
Hi Mervin
I'm afraid many FSU ladies *I* know wouldn't agree with your opinion... The US was THE most popular place to seek a partner.. why would it's distance not have been a 'concern' then, but it is now ?! ....
Sorry, but to be blunt .. many of the guys writing to FSU ladies and some of the idiots that do get on the plane - expecting to 'conquer all' and have women falling at their fit 'begging to be flown out of 'poverty'' have a LOT to do with a more jaded viewpoint .
WHO is to blame for that?.. Fellow American nationals who just want these guys green-backs...
Now my response is also over-generalised but it is an all too often quoted 'reason'. :(
Agree with Leslie.
With a major exception of one thing, minor exception of a second thing, I think a pretty accurate post.
Bill,
Thanks for taking the time and effort to translate this - you have done a great job. It is essential reading for guys in the search phase. Both for the insight it provides into the approach of the ladies and in highlighting the need for the guys to be similarly prepared!
Manny,
This thread has the makings of a sticky, perhaps you will consider making it so.
Your suggesting that if each man has not listed 20 qualities about himself to go back, that he needs to find more qualities about himself. I think sometimes to much information is not so good. I would rather a guy pick seven or eight of his top qualities, qualities that most Russian/Ukraine women would find of value in their future husband. But to have to list 20 such qualities in my profile, or letter, seems a bit to much. Again this was more of a minor difference.
Mervin.. ( although we never 'met' ) it is good to have you 'back' .. :)
Chris, obviously I can not speak for this particular agency, you must make up your own mind about that.
BUT, there is no shortage of scare stories in Russian and Ukrainian media about women meeting foreign strangers - and foreign and a stranger is EXACTLY what you were!
If you read this forum and others like it where men tell their tales you will quickly come to understand that there is no shortage of men who are, shall we say politely, socially challenged. Some of these people while claiming to be 'normal' I would not want any female friend of mine to ever meet on her own.
From the perspective of the women the story is something like this:
They join an agency to meet foreign blokes. They can do so using free options but they choose an agency because they perceive it as being safer and more convenient. When they meet a bloke who seems OK but then wants to separate her from the agency before they meet, what is a girl to think? Unless she is spectacularly dim she is going to see this as a risky option for her - and she is right!
The woman is not thinking of your cost, after all, she knows that you chose to pay the price in the first place. All she sees is that you want to get her on her own and away from what she sees as the protection of the agency.
Of course, agencies are aware of this and I am certain that some will take advantage of this. Also, I am sure that some agencies make a contractual agreement with the girls to use their services - in fact, as you probably did too. ;) The thing is that the girls have more to gain from abiding by the contract than you do and so are much less likely to want to break any deal that they entered into honestly.
But, HEY! You got on a plane, you are ahead of the game!
My biggest question after my trip to Ukraine is what the agencies tell the girls that make them so afraid? When I was there and not having any luck meeting the ladies I had arranged to meet, I tried to set up some time with others from the cities I happened to be in. But even the ones I had been communicating with for months, and had been very close to online, all declined without having the agency involved. One lady actually said she was scared, and it was against the agency rules. She is the one who stood me up in Simferopol, as I described in my introductory post. The second time she promised to meet me, she said she had to "prepare herself" for the meeting, although she was terrified. (her words) This sounds to me like there is something very bad going on with these ladies, and I have a feeling like they have been threatened somehow, or told a lot of evil stories to scare the crap out of them about some foreigners. Of course, they would all have loved to meet me if I pay the agency $75 to set up a meeting, and another $15 an hour for a translator/escort, even if the lady did speak fluent English.
I fully intend to treat FSU ladies with much more respect than American women, but still it seems that they will not break with the agency for any reason. I had one lady ask me directly to come meet her as soon as possible outside of the agency, but after traveling from one side of Ukraine to the other to see her, she suddenly became "too afraid"(her words) to meet me, so stood me up-twice! She kept saying also she "needed to prepare herself" first, but wouldn't explain what that meant. She closed up like a clam. Nothing I asked her about why, or about the agency itself would she answer, although she seemed to be squirming really bad-like she had something really big she wanted to say, but couldn't or wouldn't. When I chatted online with her and told her just to drop the whole idea of meeting and just break everything off, she cried, but still wouldn't explain why. It killed me to break it off with her, but I didn't have any choice. it was all very fishy to me!
Chris...I'm glad that you have posted your experiences here. I remember when I started out. Reading about other people's mistakes helped me avoid making many of my own. Most people are embarrassed to post about their failures. So, again...Thanks...B.I agree 100%
I stopped useing agency because they were trying to manipulate every thing we did.
Including not translating what we said. very bad.
But how would you know?
You are in strange country and relying on others, thinking they are here to help.
I was lucky, we figured it out and started seeing each other after they went home.
So, I think having your own is good for many reasons, never mind what they charge.
Kudos to you, Bill! Love the posts you made at the beginning of this thread :thumbsup:
Kudos to you, Bill! Love the posts you made at the beginning of this thread :thumbsup:
I will have to translate more of Elena's advice it's time consuming.
I should move some of the off topic stuff, but I am not supposed to
mod my own thread.
Keep up the good work Bill this is one of the most revealing threads in this section!
i know its 5 pages late, but this did make me laugh
I love this thread. With the exception of some TRs, it's my favorite thread here. EM gives excellent advice to the girls. I doubt many girls read it. And even fewer follow it.
The formula for predicting a girl's success which she gives on I believe it's p. 2 of this thread is very interesting. The only quibble I have with it is that it produces a number that is too high. I ran the numbers for all three of my FSU current and previous girlfriends and got percentages of considerably over 100%, which should not be possible.
I love this thread. With the exception of some TRs, it's my favorite thread here. EM gives excellent advice to the girls. I doubt many girls read it. And even fewer follow it.
The formula for predicting a girl's success which she gives on I believe it's p. 2 of this thread is very interesting. The only quibble I have with it is that it produces a number that is too high. I ran the numbers for all three of my FSU current and previous girlfriends and got percentages of considerably over 100%, which should not be possible.
Bill, could you post the link to the original post on EM? It might be good in some cases to send it to some potential ladies for them to read IMO.
Bill, this explanation sounded plausible, so I went back to run the numbers being a tougher grader. It had been quite a while since I had seen the formula. But what I found was that almost all of the formula involved things that were not judgment calls. The facial attractiveness component is a judgment call and of course women could be tougher than men about this. But the difference between beautiful and likeable (the next lowest choice) is only 5%. Knowledge of English is a bit of a judgment call too. But every other item is not: the figure formula (height and weight), hair length, age, number of children.
When i went back and ran the numbers being a tough grader I got figures for all three girls that ranged from 110% to 120%. I think Elena just didn't set up the formula correctly. Nonetheless, I think it's a useful and helpful exercise and contains all the easy to analyze components. And who knows, maybe she created it this way on purpose in order to give hope to more girls.
Bill: Do you know when these guides were written? Around 1953 is would seem. :reading:
Yep, after reading more of this, only parts may be helpful to send a lady. The rest I am sure would be seen as an insult coming from a guy. But maybe in a well advanced relationship, it could make interesting reading and a good laugh! :coffeeread:
Bill: Do you know when these guides were written? Around 1953 is would seem. :reading:
If I had to guess I would say that she probably wrote it in the early
1990s
If he does not share with you the plans of his visit to Russia, mention casually that they had heard that without a preliminary meeting in Russia, it will be difficult to get a visa for entry into the United States / Canada / Australia (for a visa to Europe a preliminary meeting is not required).
Yep, after reading more of this, only parts may be helpful to send a lady. The rest I am sure would be seen as an insult coming from a guy. But maybe in a well advanced relationship, it could make interesting reading and a good laugh! :coffeeread:
You can always ask her to translate some of it for you. You know about how
you are so curious about what they tell the girls and how is it different from
what they tell the guys, blah blah blah it might work.
Udachi
If I had to guess I would say that she probably wrote it in the early
1990s
I'm not sure if I'm understanding the guides Vinn or you Bill are referring to but if it is the actual material that Elena wrote that would have been in the late 90's and very early 2000's.
Great thread Bill. I wish one in 1,000 girls on Elena's Models followed half this advice. But they don't. And consequently very few will find marriage to any western guy. I know they have to wade through so many unserious guys, sex tourists, etc. But they never understand it takes effort; almost no FSUW is willing to put in this effort to find marriage.
5-10 minutes on the phone won't cost you the world. I think you might end up paying EUR/USD 1,-/minute to call to the US from Russia. Not really sure though. I pay EUR 0,02/minute over here from NL to call to US fixed or mobile number.Great thread Bill. I wish one in 1,000 girls on Elena's Models followed half this advice. But they don't. And consequently very few will find marriage to any western guy. I know they have to wade through so many unserious guys, sex tourists, etc. But they never understand it takes effort; almost no FSUW is willing to put in this effort to find marriage.
I wish one in 1,000 guys on Elena's Models followed half this advice. But they don't. And consequently very few will find marriage to any russian girl. I know they have to wade through so many unserious girls, scammerss, etc. But they never understand it takes effort; almost no WM is willing to put in this effort to find marriage and even make a visit. ;D
I think my version is more correct.
About phone calls...my english speaking ability isn't that perfect to lead brief conversation...
and I can imagine well how much it may cost... ;D one guy complained that his 2 months phone bill was about 800$... I think its too much just to hear my sexy russian ascent :knit:
But they never understand it takes effort; almost no WM is willing to put in this effort to find marriage and even make a visit. ;D
I think my version is more correct.
About phone calls...my english speaking ability isn't that perfect to lead brief conversation...
and I can imagine well how much it may cost... ;D one guy complained that his 2 months phone bill was about 800$... I think its too much just to hear my sexy russian ascent :knit:
Great thread Bill. I wish one in 1,000 girls on Elena's Models followed half this advice. But they don't. And consequently very few will find marriage to any western guy. I know they have to wade through so many unserious guys, sex tourists, etc. But they never understand it takes effort; almost no FSUW is willing to put in this effort to find marriage.
I wish one in 1,000 guys on Elena's Models followed half this advice. But they don't. And consequently very few will find marriage to any russian girl. I know they have to wade through so many unserious girls, scammerss, etc. But they never understand it takes effort; almost no WM is willing to put in this effort to find marriage and even make a visit. ;D
Put that just to show that any definitive conclusions and generalizations appear incorrect and absurd...
one guy complained that his 2 months phone bill was about 800$... I think its too much just to hear my sexy russian ascent :knit:
its too much just to hear my sexy russian ascent
Interesting information they provide. I guess it is good that they convey that women who put in more effort are more likely to succeed, but the sheer volume of infomation looks like enough to make many women quit before they start. I don't know what to make of it. Honestly, I would be impressed if a woman did these things and did some research before I met her, but I would never expect it. Maybe that is the point. I wonder what else they suggest.
I guess it is good that they convey that women who put in more effort are more likely to succeed
Naturally you had a manicure, pedicure, and shaved the hair from legs, underarms and bikini area - for some reason in the West there is a perception that Russian women do
not shave their armpits, do not be evidence to this perception.
Hello, maybe a stupid newbie question:
do they make the equivalend guide for men also?
Hello, maybe a stupid newbie question:
do they make the equivalend guide for men also?
Hello, maybe a stupid newbie question:
do they make the equivalent guide for men also?
So tell me, being a newbie, is it foolish to try to contact a FSU Women before spending time in research. Am I likely to be like a fish out of water or is there possibility of success? If I am to be successful, what are two or three things vital to keep in mind? Thank you, Joel
So tell me, being a newbie, is it foolish to try to contact a FSU Women before spending time in research. Am I likely to be like a fish out of water or is there possibility of success? If I am to be successful, what are two or three things vital to keep in mind? Thank you, Joel
So tell me, being a newbie, is it foolish to try to contact a FSU Women before spending time in research. Am I likely to be like a fish out of water or is there possibility of success? If I am to be successful, what are two or three things vital to keep in mind? Thank you, Joel
13. How many days a year your vacation?
It's been a while since I've added anything to this thread so I went to see if the Russian
side of Elena's models still works and came across this advice for the ladies. These are
questions that Elena suggests would be good questions for the ladies to ask.
(I agree with her)
1. What made you decide to seek a life partner abroad?
2. How long have you been using this dating site?
3. What impression do you have after communicating with women here?
4. What do you know about my country?
5. If you meet someone you really like, do you think you will want to meet them
in real life? How soon? Where and how?
6. Do you believe in talking to many women, and then making your choice? Or do
you think it's best to talk to only 1-2 people at a time but give it your full attention?
7. It's probably not my business, but how many women are you talking to?
8. Have you ever been to my country?
9. Do you enjoy travelling overseas?
10. How many foreign countries have you been to? Which ones did you enjoy the most?
11. What is your typical working day routine?
12. What do you usually do on weekends?
13. How do you usually spend your holidays? How many days a year your vacation?
14. Do you enjoy your job? What do you like the most about it?
15. If you could choose any career you wanted all over again, what would it be?
16. What is your special talent? Something that you love doing and people always compliment you on.
17. What do you like the most about the place where you live? What made you choose to settle down
there?
18. How religious are you?
19. How do you imagine your life when you are married?
20. Do you want to have children? How many?
21. Would you want your future wife to work or stay at home?
22. How many serious relationships have you had in your life? Have you ever been married or engaged?
23. What your childhood was like?)
24. Do you have any children? What kind of relationships do you have with your children?
25. What happened in your last relationship? Do you still communicate?
26. What do your friends and family think about your seeking a partner abroad?
27. What are your most treasured plans for the future?
28. Do you think you've done well in life compared to your classmates?
29. What is your view on sex in relationships and marriage?
30. What chores around the house do you enjoy doing and which ones you dislike?
31. If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
32. Do you have a bucket list? What things would you want to do before you die?
33. Now that we know each other for a while, what do you think about me?
13. How many days a year your vacation?
Google translate detected, or 13 is not a lucky number for everyone? :D
It's been a while since I've added anything to this thread so I went to see if the Russian
side of Elena's models still works and came across this advice for the ladies. These are
questions that Elena suggests would be good questions for the ladies to ask.
(I agree with her)
1. What made you decide to seek a life partner abroad?
2. How long have you been using this dating site?
3. What impression do you have after communicating with women here?
4. What do you know about my country?
5. If you meet someone you really like, do you think you will want to meet them
in real life? How soon? Where and how?
6. Do you believe in talking to many women, and then making your choice? Or do
you think it's best to talk to only 1-2 people at a time but give it your full attention?
7. It's probably not my business, but how many women are you talking to?
8. Have you ever been to my country?
9. Do you enjoy travelling overseas?
10. How many foreign countries have you been to? Which ones did you enjoy the most?
11. What is your typical working day routine?
12. What do you usually do on weekends?
13. How do you usually spend your holidays? How many days a year your vacation?
14. Do you enjoy your job? What do you like the most about it?
15. If you could choose any career you wanted all over again, what would it be?
16. What is your special talent? Something that you love doing and people always compliment you on.
17. What do you like the most about the place where you live? What made you choose to settle down
there?
18. How religious are you?
19. How do you imagine your life when you are married?
20. Do you want to have children? How many?
21. Would you want your future wife to work or stay at home?
22. How many serious relationships have you had in your life? Have you ever been married or engaged?
23. What your childhood was like?)
24. Do you have any children? What kind of relationships do you have with your children?
25. What happened in your last relationship? Do you still communicate?
26. What do your friends and family think about your seeking a partner abroad?
27. What are your most treasured plans for the future?
28. Do you think you've done well in life compared to your classmates?
29. What is your view on sex in relationships and marriage?
30. What chores around the house do you enjoy doing and which ones you dislike?
31. If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
32. Do you have a bucket list? What things would you want to do before you die?
33. Now that we know each other for a while, what do you think about me?
bill good questions ,
id think the asking of them would apply to both parties in the usual exchange of information between them
most blokes would be interested in a ladys responses
SX
Valenki, you're on the money except: many guys who think there are no suitable life partners in their own country are not well enough socialised that they can meet people face to face. For those who feel that none of their countrywomen meet their high standards, they are so time poor that taking the time to do as you suggest is not possible. Remember that most USAians get only 2 weeks vacation and that a large proportion of them are unable to even take all of that small allotment of personal time.
The constraints upon these poor guys is what led to the online international mail order bride thing in the USA.
This!
The part I never understood is why some feel the need to shit on everything they see?
..........................And that something is ...?
One thing that interests me a tad is this manliness thing. Something came up recently that put a new context on it for me.
easier than meeting someone on line
My father met my mother by jumping in the back seat ofI've never met anyone on the internet, I mean not that sort of "meet". I always met girls at the dance or waiting in the queue at the post office or choosing a head of lettuce at the green grocer's.
her car when she stopped at a traffic light. I met my first
wife at a garage sale.
The internet is only a tool. In the end it's boy meets girl just
like it's been since parents stopped arranging marriages.
I started this thread because I thought it might be interestingIt's a damned good thread too. I am glad you started it. I have wondered what the girls were being told about how to catch a man and how to impress them enough to be interested in them. I have always noticed that women from Russia (in particular) post photos of themselves in sexy poses and I figured they'd only get lecherous men to respond and that they'd have no one but themselves to blame for it. Do Russian women really think it's a good idea to pose like that and is it the dating agencies that recommend it?
to know what the agencies told the girls. I found the Russian
part of the site and managed to find different sections and
then I translated it.
Udachi!
Bill
It's a damned good thread too. I am glad you started it. I have wondered what the girls were being told about how to catch a man and how to impress them enough to be interested in them. I have always noticed that women from Russia (in particular) post photos of themselves in sexy poses and I figured they'd only get lecherous men to respond and that they'd have no one but themselves to blame for it. Do Russian women really think it's a good idea to pose like that and is it the dating agencies that recommend it?
тьфу!
Valenki
At the age of 29 years, I decided to find fiance abroad. I said to myself that from this point on, the search for a husband is my number 1 priority, everything including work and money, was secondary.
Yes, it appears that they recommend some of it for sure.Jesus, that is sickening. There's a lot of legs akimbo! Are they looking for a husband, an agent, or a pimp? :laugh:
http://www.zamuzh.com/book/photos/example.htm
These photos are ancient ... perhaps from 2002- 2005 ?You'd have to be extremely active in order to know that. You haven't managed to find a mate (of the opposite sex) in all of 18 years? I think you must either be doing something wrong or you have ulterior motives for viewing the gallery other than its' intended purpose? :scared0005:
Elena Models is a legitimate site.These photos are ancient ... perhaps from 2002- 2005 ?You'd have to be extremely active in order to know that. You haven't managed to find a mate (of the opposite sex) in all of 18 years? I think you must either be doing something wrong or you have ulterior motives for viewing the gallery other than its' intended purpose? :scared0005:
These photos are ancient ... perhaps from 2002- 2005 ?
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?
... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
And this photo is very old one ... but the lady in question managed to catch a very big fish with her High Mile poses.High-maintenance money-whore. Great for catching fish and old men who are divorced and have grown children of their own but not exactly what you'd be looking for in a wife, a soul mate, starting a family with, or taking along with you to the footy match. Anyway, who wants a woman who wears her shoes in bed? :laugh:
(https://media.gq-magazine.co.uk/photos/5d138cdfb6fee943dfc9d65f/16:9/w_1280%2cc_limit/Melania-Trump-06-GQ-7-Nov16_Antoine-Verglas_b.jpg):nod:
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
Anyway, who wants a woman who wears her shoes in bed? :laugh:
I honestly didn't realize who that was till you just told me. :laugh: I hear a loud banging on my door. Is it too late do you think for me to edit my comments under her photo?Anyway, who wants a woman who wears her shoes in bed? :laugh:
Melania's shoes are a bit tame for bed, really. I'd prefer a decent 4" heel. :chuckle:
But the question is: Would you consider one of these "high photo attention paying" "professional studio posing" "photoshopped" women for your wife? C'est une question personnelle pour vous-même. Alor?I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
But the question is: Would you consider one of these "high photo attention paying" "professional studio posing" "photoshopped" women for your wife? C'est une question personnelle pour vous-même. Alor?
If you could afford to have your own private jet....a 757 and fly around the world ...... Γιατι Οχι?And here's me thinking the subject was 'women'?
Varför inte? Pourquoi pas?
Don't you think it would be a nice relaxation time on a very long Flight?
I was bored out of my mind flying to LA on a Virgin Jumbo and on arrival I could not sleep for hours.
Now I am contemplating a 5 hour flight to Cyprus in January to meet my "friend" Moby for a birthday celebration...... if he manage to escape from Georgia and his office assignment!Your birthday or his? :party0011:
Now I can only dream...... and contemplate ....
You'd have to be extremely active in order to know that. You haven't managed to find a mate (of the opposite sex) in all of 18 years? I think you must either be doing something wrong or you have ulterior motives for viewing the gallery other than its' intended purpose? :scared0005:
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
Pure nonsense!! This is what outdated articles about FSUW tell you.. garbage simple garbage..women from FSU countries are no different to any others some do good photos some do shit photos..
But the question is: Would you consider one of these "high photo attention paying" "professional studio posing" "photoshopped" women for your wife? C'est une question personnelle pour vous-même. Alor?I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
Pure nonsense!! This is what outdated articles about FSUW tell you.. garbage simple garbage..women from FSU countries are no different to any others some do good photos some do shit photos..
This not outdated articles, but five years of live with a 8.4 young ukrainian woman, my ex friends in Ukraine owning a marriage agency, all the people, from Ukraine, Bielorussia (had a GF from there before), Russia and events i came in. More than 20 trips.
So i maintain photos are extremly important for FSU women.
This is my opinion and my life, i understand you can have your.
I don't understand the relationship bewteen the morale judgment and some photos of women you are doing ...I don't understand what is meant by "women I am doing". What do you mean?... may you explain more?I am talking about the moral suggestiveness of the photos and what sort of man they expect to attract by posting such photos. Personally speaking, a woman posing in bedtime attire wouldn't encourage me to think of her as family-building material. So .... if I were seeking a wife I'd look elsewhere.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
They damned love the staging and can spend a lot of time to do this.
Now the go between (agencies) are pushing girls to go to some professional studios where they are "invited" to take some suggestives poses with some accessories (belonging to the studio often, if the lady didn't bring theirs).
Agencies are also "photoshopping" a maximum of photos before putting them in the gallery. You will find the same trend in Europe where a lot of so so or ugly girls use some applications that put some doggy face, sparks or other stupidities, and the ones who don't put any photos, only flowers or landscape .....
For the ones who are applying on direct dating sites (Fdating, LuckyLovers, Tinder, Badoo and there are more) the most denuded photos should be generally considered as some dubious profiles, (prositutes full or half time, gold diggers, scammers) so i, myself, avoid such profiles. However a photo of a woman at the gym or even at the beach is nothing to be considered as dubious among many others photos. Some are proud of their body and are very sportive or in very good shape and they just want to show it (as many men are tempted to show also various photos bare chest).
There is nothing wrong to watch photos of beautiful women, every men like it. I would be more cautious of men who have a problem with this or men who hide their eyes when their wifes are naked in the bathroom.
The culture first explains that women pay a high attention on their photos, there is an extrem competition among women. Photos are extremly important.
Pure nonsense!! This is what outdated articles about FSUW tell you.. garbage simple garbage..women from FSU countries are no different to any others some do good photos some do shit photos..
This not outdated articles, but five years of live with a 8.4 young ukrainian woman, my ex friends in Ukraine owning a marriage agency, all the people, from Ukraine, Bielorussia (had a GF from there before), Russia and events i came in. More than 20 trips.
So i maintain photos are extremly important for FSU women.
This is my opinion and my life, i understand you can have your.
Naaa photo's are not so important .. just take a look on Tinder it is a pick up app.. I don't see thousands of women with fantastic photo shoots ? Just normal girls with not bad photos .. simple really.. real women do not do that sort of stuff much today.. maybe back in the 1990's not today..when they still had old cameras with a flash.. :laugh:
All the women you see in agencies with fantastic photo sets are fakes in any case!