Yeah, here (http://real-deal-blog.com/2015/06/17/russian-threat-to-the-baltic-states/) is an original full length version of something I penned, a condensed version of which will likely appear on Russia Insider in a few days, and which someone at RT has already pinched and reworded. It managed 40 re-tweets already in virgin form, and pretty much covers the reality.
However, I would say that a locals viewpoint should probably be taken more seriously than someone who has "lived and travelled" an area. Especially when it seems to be a contrived article.
When I see some of the crap coming out about the Baltics at the moment I am reminded of the Great HIV Scare of the early part of this century; a manufactured scare story that garnered for Estonia and the Estonian health service a huge amount of money - at the cost of a frightened populace, almost all of whom STILL don't know the truth.
Whether an Estonian, any particular Estonian agrees with what Manny wrote is not really relevant in terms of whether what Manny wrote is factually correct or not. There's not much with which I'd disagree with in his piece, although I'd not put everything in the same way as he did.
Indeed, that's a big part of the ongoing issue of the propaganda against Russia at the moment.
People around the world are being fed a whole lot of untruths and half truths with the express purpose of scaring them into accepting actions, restrictions and legislation that they'd never accept in a million years if they were not thusly scared.
There are significant benefits to the Estonian state from having the Estonian people scared about what Russia might do (but are almost certainly not going to do).
When I see some of the crap coming out about the Baltics at the moment I am reminded of the Great HIV Scare of the early part of this century; a manufactured scare story that garnered for Estonia and the Estonian health service a huge amount of money - at the cost of a frightened populace, almost all of whom STILL don't know the truth.
So, would many Estonians agree with Manny? Probably not - it does not in any way make their fears real - even if those fears are genuinely felt.
That's just the same as here on this forum where we have people bleating on about lies as facts on a daily basis and a large audience ready to believe and be scared of the impact of those lies.
To suggest The Kremlin was 'reacting' in Ukraine is hardly honest.
I may not OWN a place in EST - or LV / LT, but I DO know that Vilnius and the surrounding lakes/ forests are beautiful - perhaps your need to get to EST has not allowed you to visit many beautiful places in LT or LV
People around the world are being fed a whole lot of untruths and half truths with the express purpose of scaring them into accepting actions, restrictions and legislation that they'd never accept in a million years if they were not thusly scared.
Quite and you appear to be supporting this action - shame on you.
Froid, it has always been hard for them to take an objective look at themselves. Or see mistakes they make. I'd be surprised if many locals agreed with my view to be honest; apart from perhaps some Russians.
To suggest The Kremlin was 'reacting' in Ukraine is hardly honest.
Absolutely factual I think you will find. Crimea was a reaction to the regime change in Ukraine.I may not OWN a place in EST - or LV / LT, but I DO know that Vilnius and the surrounding lakes/ forests are beautiful - perhaps your need to get to EST has not allowed you to visit many beautiful places in LT or LV
Translation: We agree there are many forests. I point I noted. Unlike you, I do own a place in Estonia and have been going there seventeen years. So I think I may have garnered a teensy weensy bit of knowledge about the place and its inhabitants in that time.
Yes he would.
I wonder if you had owned a place in Crimea if you would still own it, absent your connections. :smokin:
Yes he would.
I wonder if you had owned a place in Crimea if you would still own it, absent your connections. :smokin:
Absent the official Russian connections? You must be smoking something other than cigarettes. :Zzzzsleep:No, I have real-life relatives living there, who own their own shit mortgage-free, a strange concept to americans, I know.
Anteros, where do you get this stuff from?This is the sort of post that worries me anout afi.
The Russian government are not 'rehabilitating' Stalin and neither is the Russian state. However it would be a know nothing imbecile who was unable to recognise the advances that occurred during the time of his regime - at the same time as recognizing the bad stuff.
His view is you are full of shit, have a verbose puppet parroting you, and that 3 years from now, or next when he needs it to shore up home support, Putin will make his next move. Whether it is green men in Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia or even Poland it doesn't matter. It will be bad.
Fact is ALL the Baltic countries are members of NATO.
Any aggression toward them will be considered the same as a direct attack on a member NATO country by that aggressor.
Absolutely factual I think you will find. Crimea was a reaction to the regime change in Ukraine.
I may not OWN a place in EST - or LV / LT, but I DO know that Vilnius and the surrounding lakes/ forests are beautiful - perhaps your need to get to EST has not allowed you to visit many beautiful places in LT or LV
Translation: We agree there are many forests. I point I noted. Unlike you, I do own a place in Estonia and have been going there seventeen years. So I think I may have garnered a teensy weensy bit of knowledge about the place and its inhabitants in that time.
I would be interested to see froid's invisible friend
Currently, there is no threat of invasion -
Among the waffle, you do occasionally demonstrate that you get it.
Actually, I have read those items, and it is an unusual thing for them to be talking about now. But as the USSR is no more, even if they didn't split legally, it would be moot anyway.
Alfy, you can't control yourself can you?
Froid's friend is invisible because he is not here, not posting on his behalf and therefore hardly a representative sample of anything - he is not visible.
In English a thing not seen, that cannot be seen, that is not visible, is invisible.
There is no 'headline news' that The Baltics never left the USSR. You may have missed the relevant headlines - there is no USSR.
Absent the official Russian connections? You must be smoking something other than cigarettes. :Zzzzsleep:No, I have real-life relatives living there, who own their own shit mortgage-free, a strange concept to americans, I know.
And I am telling you, I never heard of any westerner being disowned. Russia also has no law forbidding foreigners to own land (afaik ianal).
Uncle Vlad and associates profit. Any Westerner (without deep ties to the regime in Moscow) and any Ukrainian owning land there kissed it goodbye. :smokin:
Who Can Buy a Property in Russia?Since foreigners also didn't get to own argicultural land, thats no issue.
There are no restrictions on foreigners purchasing property in Russia. Some restrictions may apply in case of purchase of agricultural land; however, this article is mostly concerned with the issues of purchasing a residential property.
Yeah, here (http://real-deal-blog.com/2015/06/17/russian-threat-to-the-baltic-states/) is an original full length version of something I penned, a condensed version of which will likely appear on Russia Insider in a few days, and which someone at RT has already pinched and reworded. It managed 40 re-tweets already in virgin form, and pretty much covers the reality.
First off, The Baltic countries offer nothing to the EU. I know you feel strongly about what countries bring to the EU but if you have nothing to offer then are you worthless? Is a country or its people not worth anything?
You ignore the Lietuva bloody Sunday where 14 died and hundreds were wounded. And, Russia did not leave without a little skirmish or two in each country even after they decided to pull out.
Crimea was another area that was given up peacefully and you now see where that has gone. Moscow seems to want Odessa also.
Finland beat the crap out of Russia already once. There is very little to compare between it and the Baltics. Finland is a neutral country and took a different road. Whatever, the subject is the Baltics and theirs is a different history with Moscow.
The Baltics see Moscow get involved in neighboring countries. They saw it in Georgia and they see it now in Ukraine. They have seen it in other countries. This involvement tends to tear countries apart. There is a genuine fear of such a thing happening in the Baltics.
There is also a fear that NATO will not be able or willing to defend them if needed.
It was a nice enough read for Russian propaganda.
Nice attempt to deflect and dodge the real issue.
Let me break it down for you. Ukraine snubbed Russia by not paying their gas bill and throwing out the Russian puppet Yanukonvict. Uncle Vlad wanted to be sure Russia got paid so he seized Crimea. Mission accomplished.
Uncle Vlad and associates profit. Any Westerner (without deep ties to the regime in Moscow) and any Ukrainian owning land there kissed it goodbye. :smokin:
Wiz
remind us how many US Tanks were on European soil - prior to the Kremlin's stunt in Crimea ?
That would be ZERO
Best accompany the Mrs ... :chuckle:
Wiz
remind us how many US Tanks were on European soil - prior to the Kremlin's stunt in Crimea ?
That would be ZERO
Best accompany the Mrs ... :chuckle:
You are so predictable .... never stop to think for a minute and always prove me right! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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http://militarybases.com/germany/ (http://militarybases.com/germany/)
Now take a look at this very short list......
List of United States Army installations in Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany)
Did you missed my previous comment that Germany is an occupied country until 2099 to the Americans?????
With your big mouth... you are lucky you escaped... from Abkhasia but then you had a RW to save you! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
I rest my case your honour!!! :P :P :P
Russia could of joined NATO instead making NATO the enemy. Just this would not of been good for Putin. Most of the current problem in Russia is Putin wanting to stay in power but he has done a terrible job up to this point. The Russian economy expanded early 2000's only because of the high price of oil and this was nothing Putin did. Now Putin's Russia needs enemies that are trying to destroy Russia so Russian will support him and keep it Putin's Russia. He now enjoy a 90 per cent approval rating. Without NATO, Crimea, and the Ukraine he would be out of office. His support was dropping fast before the Crimea event; down to 50 and a few per cent. With the recent drop in living standards it would way less. This whole war thing is so he can stay in power. In order to stay in power he has passed laws to outlaw protests, he also spends almost as much on secrete police and propaganda outlets as he does on his over sized army. He is so broke he is having to rob the health care system in Russia and lay of Russian government workers. The point is it is not the sanctions which at this point are having little to no effect, it is the dropping price of oil and economy that had nothing else going for it combined with an over size military and police budget. This is a government that does not care about the Russian people only about Putin and his rich friends and staying in power.
Russia could of joined NATO instead making NATO the enemy. Just this would not of been good for Putin. Most of the current problem in Russia is Putin wanting to stay in power but he has done a terrible job up to this point. The Russian economy expanded early 2000's only because of the high price of oil and this was nothing Putin did. Now Putin's Russia needs enemies that are trying to destroy Russia so Russian will support him and keep it Putin's Russia. He now enjoy a 90 per cent approval rating. Without NATO, Crimea, and the Ukraine he would be out of office. His support was dropping fast before the Crimea event; down to 50 and a few per cent. With the recent drop in living standards it would way less. This whole war thing is so he can stay in power. In order to stay in power he has passed laws to outlaw protests, he also spends almost as much on secrete police and propaganda outlets as he does on his over sized army. He is so broke he is having to rob the health care system in Russia and lay of Russian government workers. The point is it is not the sanctions which at this point are having little to no effect, it is the dropping price of oil and economy that had nothing else going for it combined with an over size military and police budget. This is a government that does not care about the Russian people only about Putin and his rich friends and staying in power.
Wiz
remind us how many US Tanks were on European soil - prior to the Kremlin's stunt in Crimea ?
That would be ZERO
Best accompany the Mrs ... :chuckle:
You are so predictable .... never stop to think for a minute and always prove me right!
Now take a look at this very short list......
List of United States Army installations in Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany)
Did you missed my previous comment that Germany is an occupied country until 2099 to the Americans?????
I rest my case your honour!!! :P :P :P
Russia could of joined NATO instead making NATO the enemy. Just this would not of been good for Putin. Most of the current problem in Russia is Putin wanting to stay in power but he has done a terrible job up to this point. The Russian economy expanded early 2000's only because of the high price of oil and this was nothing Putin did. Now Putin's Russia needs enemies that are trying to destroy Russia so Russian will support him and keep it Putin's Russia. He now enjoy a 90 per cent approval rating. Without NATO, Crimea, and the Ukraine he would be out of office. His support was dropping fast before the Crimea event; down to 50 and a few per cent. With the recent drop in living standards it would way less. This whole war thing is so he can stay in power. In order to stay in power he has passed laws to outlaw protests, he also spends almost as much on secrete police and propaganda outlets as he does on his over sized army. He is so broke he is having to rob the health care system in Russia and lay of Russian government workers. The point is it is not the sanctions which at this point are having little to no effect, it is the dropping price of oil and economy that had nothing else going for it combined with an over size military and police budget. This is a government that does not care about the Russian people only about Putin and his rich friends and staying in power.
I just wonder, which are your sources for the valuable comments that you have made, without a shred of credible evidence. Obviously these are your own assumptions because you have been listening and watching all the American propaganda emanating from the White House. Despite visiting, as you indicate Russia you failed to observe anything there, neither understand of what is going on around the globe, today, and who is really behind it!
May I suggest you to read this article in the “American Free Press” and not what you see or read on the CNN, Fox, etc. You probably you may never have heard about this newspaper….. It’s American, Not Russian, not European or from any other nation. Enjoy reading your own Ron Paul, telling you some real facts. :laugh:
Will the Seizure of Russian Assets Kill the Dollar?
By Former Rep. Ron Paul – a former U.S. representative from Texas and medical doctor …
Oh dear, he is one of yours. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
“America, Western bankers risk war with Putin rather than see Russia and China challenge the global supremacy of the U.S. dollar. “
“The end result of this needless bullying by the U.S. will hasten the one thing Washington fears the most: a world monetary system in which the U.S. has no say and the dollar is relegated to playing second fiddle.”
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=25595#more-25595 (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=25595#more-25595)
As I am feeling lazy reading all that sophisticated comments that emanate from your part of the world…. Read the answer that I gave to that Cretin in the Guardian in reply to his comments posted in my earlier post.
- 1) If Russia is so technologically "backward", why does NASA use Russian rocket launchers to send American astronauts to the Russian space station?
2) If Russia's military capacities are only 1/8 of European "resources" (whatever that means), why didn't "Europe" (whatever than means) intervene militarily in Crimea to stop the Russian Army?
3) If Russia is "playing the card of a senile imperial power", why didn't they reinstate the empire?
4) If Russia is " mentally akin to North Corea." (sic), why do they have a vibrant, functional multiparty democracy that is not beholden to special interests or neocon lobbies?
If gas and oil are the "only products of Russia" , what about these:
- Iron and steel: $20,050,729,000 (3.8% of total exports)
Pearls, gems, precious metals and coins: $14,367,047,000 (2.7%)
Fertilizers: $9,119,157,000 (1.7%)
Machinery: $8,815,393,000 (1.7%)
Wood: $7,324,251,000 (1.4%)
Aluminum: $7,181,742,000 (1.4%)
Inorganic chemicals: $5,009,209,000 (1%)
Copper: $4,962,945,000 (0.9%)
Electronic equipment: $4,914,638,000 (0.9%)
- - If Russia's is constantly "polluting taiga and destroying the livelihood of local population", why didn't the western oil companies involved in joint oil and gas ventures with the Russia ever object and protest such mistreatment of the local population? Isn't the well-being, health and prosperity of the Russian population the first and foremost on the minds of the western governments?
- If the "Russian companies are only interested in taking over the Soviet pipelines and making easy bucks", why did some $ 300 billion get siphoned from Yeltsin's fallen Russia and sent directly to the Wall Street bankers? Could it be this was because Wall Street was controlling those same "Russian" companies until Vladimir Putin came along and said: enough!
- If impending catastrophe at home forced Putin to look for new land, why did Russian GDP grow some 300% since 2000 (the year Putin came to power), but American GDP grew by a measly 8% over the same period? Indeed, if "impending catastrophe" forced him to do so, surely it was a very, very slowly-creeping catastrophe: it took Vlad Putin 15 years to react to it.
- Finally, if the Russians spent "billions on subsidizing corrupt political systems in South Ossetia, Abkhasia (sic), what do you say about US subsidizing every mercenary in the world: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Philippines, Pakistan....you name it, they funded it.
- Abhkazia is self-sufficient. South Ossetia will soon be, and Russian expenses (1500 soldiers) in Transnyistria is insignificant. All three COMBINED cost Russia just a fraction of the cost of what State Department spent on Ukraine alone.
- The "new acquisitions" may cost Russia when calculated in US Dollar, (the rapidly disintegrating former global settlement currency). Converted to Roubles, the unification with Crimea is a massive national profit.
If you can't understand why, then take a look at the new map in Crimea.
So Putin and Russia - with one stone and NOT a shot killed two birds.
1) Crimea is now part of Russia, Russia does not have to pay rent for the bases in Hot waters for its fleet
2) at the same time aquired the 200 miles Exclusive Economic Zone around Crimea, where there is plenty of Oil and Gas.
I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort and looks now they will get nothing out of the company they created to explore for oil and Gas. :chuckle:
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BTW are you reading the News or they report nothing to you, of what is going on in Kiev?
The Right sector Nazi asking for Poroshenko's head! The IMF with the US help is going to loose billions in loans that they were given to Kiev in support of your stuges.
Putin is sitting tight and waiting Ukraine to go begging, to join mother Russia. READ HISTORY MY FRIEND and listen to Ron Paul...... telling you the facts.
Now listen to the good news.
Russia, China, India, Iran, Brazil and S. Africa, for the past few years they were buying Gold accumulating many thousand tones and Putin, the latest I have checked, has accumulated 1150 tones of Gold.... and despite the US and its EU allies... has managed to stabilise the Rubble.
America is manipulating the price of Gold... so Putin, is buying the staff cheaply out of the $500 billion currency reserves that he has in his pocket with nearly very little external Debt.
Russia has over the years issued state bonds in Rubble and international investors bought them ... but now Putin is spending some of his $$$$$$ and buy them back on the free market at 1/2 price......... Oh I forgot to tell you that was a third bird with the same stone.
Look closer at home, your kind of Democracy, a society with its million poor people and also pay attention to what Ron Paul and Graig Roberts are saying.
“The end result of this needless bullying by the U.S. will hasten the one thing Washington fears the most: a world monetary system in which the U.S. has no say and the dollar is relegated to playing second fiddle.”
Good night and don't forget to read.... :reading: ;D ;D ;D
1) If Russia is so technologically "backward", why does NASA use Russian rocket launchers to send American astronauts to the Russian space station?
2) If Russia's military capacities are only 1/8 of European "resources" (whatever that means), why didn't "Europe" (whatever than means) intervene militarily in Crimea to stop the Russian Army?
3) If Russia is "playing the card of a senile imperial power", why didn't they reinstate the empire?
4) If Russia is " mentally akin to North Corea." (sic), why do they have a vibrant, functional multiparty democracy that is not beholden to special interests or neocon lobbies?
If Russia's is constantly "polluting taiga and destroying the livelihood of local population", why didn't the western oil companies involved in joint oil and gas ventures with the Russia ever object and protest such mistreatment of the local population? Isn't the well-being, health and prosperity of the Russian population the first and foremost on the minds of the western governments?
- If the "Russian companies are only interested in taking over the Soviet pipelines and making easy bucks", why did some $ 300 billion get siphoned from Yeltsin's fallen Russia and sent directly to the Wall Street bankers? Could it be this was because Wall Street was controlling those same "Russian" companies until Vladimir Putin came along and said: enough!
- If impending catastrophe at home forced Putin to look for new land, why did Russian GDP grow some 300% since 2000 (the year Putin came to power), but American GDP grew by a measly 8% over the same period? Indeed, if "impending catastrophe" forced him to do so, surely it was a very, very slowly-creeping catastrophe: it took Vlad Putin 15 years to react to it.
- Finally, if the Russians spent "billions on subsidizing corrupt political systems in South Ossetia, Abkhasia (sic), what do you say about US subsidizing every mercenary in the world: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Philippines, Pakistan....you name it, they funded it.
- Abhkazia is self-sufficient.
South Ossetia will soon be, and Russian expenses (1500 soldiers) in Transnyistria is insignificant. All three COMBINED cost Russia just a fraction of the cost of what State Department spent on Ukraine alone.
- The "new acquisitions" may cost Russia when calculated in US Dollar, (the rapidly disintegrating former global settlement currency).Converted to Roubles, the unification with Crimea is a massive national profit.
If you can't understand why, then take a look at the new map in Crimea
So Putin and Russia - with one stone and NOT a shot killed two birds.
1) Crimea is now part of Russia, Russia does not have to pay rent for the bases in Hot wa ???ters for its fleet
2) at the same time aquired the 200 miles Exclusive Economic Zone around Crimea, where there is plenty of Oil and Gas.
I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort and looks now they will get nothing out of the company they created to explore for oil and Gas. :chuckle:
BTW are you reading the News or they report nothing to you, of what is going on in Kiev?
The Right sector Nazi asking for Poroshenko's head! The IMF with the US help is going to loose billions in loans that they were given to Kiev in support of your stuges.
Putin is sitting tight and waiting Ukraine to go begging, to join mother Russia. READ HISTORY MY FRIEND and listen to Ron Paul...... telling you the facts.
Russia, China, India, Iran, Brazil and S. Africa, for the past few years they were buying Gold accumulating many thousand tones and Putin, the latest I have checked, has accumulated 1150 tones of Gold.... and despite the US and its EU allies... has managed to stabilise the Rubble.
Good night and don't forget to read.... :reading: ;D ;D ;D
. . . I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort . . .
I rested my case when you ducked how many US tanks had been on European soil pre Crimea's forceful annexation - pls- those of you that 'object' to this - It was necessary to negate the UA forces with guns - so don't respond with nonsense like 'not a shot was fired' ...
Any sane poster would not be suggesting Germany was 'occupied ' . One of the down sides of the Kremlin expansionist policy is that the German forces are likely to be increasingly used overseas.... NOT what the Soviets would have wanted following Yalta.....
. . . I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort . . .
While I have seen some tasteless posts here, the above (and I do not agree with the current administration) is repulsive.
I thought the elderly became more laid back, you have proved that this is not true.
Can we hear your reasons and you comments, why my above comment is repulsive?. . . I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort . . .
While I have seen some tasteless posts here, the above (and I do not agree with the current administration) is repulsive.
I thought the elderly became more laid back, you have proved that this is not true.
Can we hear your reasons and you comments, why my above comment is repulsive?. . . I really feel sorry for Mr Bidden and Son.... so many trips to Kiev, so much effort . . .
While I have seen some tasteless posts here, the above (and I do not agree with the current administration) is repulsive.
I thought the elderly became more laid back, you have proved that this is not true.
Making personal attacks and comments does not validate your objections!
As soon as I read the phrase, "Despite what Manny said," I knew that this was a BS topic that was designed to discredit, with typical disregard for reality and honesty.
Biden has more than one son. Maybe if you and a few others kept up, you'd know this. While what you're referring to is tragic, don't confuse R. Hunter with Beau.
It really does not matter who invests or invested in Ukraine, it's their country
and yet here we are being told again and again that the USA is a "declining Empire"
Anyways we know the real reasons why Russia stole Crimea -- to get their land cheap and more importantly to get drilling rights to oil etc. around Crimea.
So for a couple of conspiracy theory persons to whine about possible US investment in Ukraine is just absurd, but really it's par for the course.
Back on the topic of the title there would be no concerns about possible invasion of Baltic States were it not for the pattern of warmongering by Putin,
starting with the carpet bombing and ethnic cleansing of Chechnya, then the invasion of Georgia,
then Crimea,
then Eastern Ukraine
and now him claiming that the Baltic nations had no right to leave the USSR blah blah blah.
Fella, you are miles . . .
Really, put down the CNN and the Fox stuff.........
Fella, you are miles . . .
Really, put down the CNN and the Fox stuff.........
Anteros - Moby and a few others in the short to medium term Manny is correct.
Former Soviet style edit, I see.As soon as I read the phrase, "Despite what Manny said," I knew that this was a BS topic that was designed to discredit, with typical disregard for reality and honesty.
Yes, it is a silly title. It needs changing to something more factual.
[Edit: Done]
The detailed dissection of Wiz's post is dripping with irony. The dissector wrote about what is "clear to sane people," as if sane people waste their time with line-by-line rebuttals.
Putin has made *no* threats to the Baltics.
Fella, you are miles away. :rolleye0009:It really does not matter who invests or invested in Ukraine, it's their country
Well, yes it does. America started a civil war there to gain control of the infrastructure (among other things). Hence why we see the Biden family, and relatives of Kerry slotted into utility companies now.and yet here we are being told again and again that the USA is a "declining Empire"
America is done. It is insolvent. Only constant invasion of other countries (and that means use of the dollar and arms sales) keeps it afloat.
I agree it is quite comical the way he and the other ones carry on. Facts don't matter, just repeat yourself until the lie seems plausible to those too retarded to think for themselves. It has worked in the past and Putin has brainwashed millions in Russia doing the exact same thing. Evil America is to blame, what fools they were to emulate them for all these years. :-\
. . . Facts don't matter, just repeat yourself until the lie seems plausible to those too retarded to think for themselves. It has worked in the past and Putin has brainwashed millions in Russia doing the exact same thing. Evil America is to blame, what fools they were to emulate them for all these years.
A Russian car is a joke, unless you consider the Lada Nivea.
No Wiz, I don't laugh, it isn't very funny. The situation is serious and the conditions dangerous. I am saddened that so few people have even rudimentary understanding of matters of great import - Texan77's ignorance is typical and not the worst that one sees. Of course ignorance is an issue but worse is the considered dishonesty of other people, some of whom post here.
People like Texan77 who do not understand that which they parrot as fact have no way to understand that they are being lied to and that their prejudices are being pandered to and enflamed by those who have no good outcome in mind for them.
Sadly though, until and unless folks like Texan77 bestir themselves to come to an understanding based upon knowledge then there's little that can happen to cause a positive change in the US and, of course, it is true that one can quite reasonably come to a knowledgeable conclusion that what the US is up to is, for the US a good thing and beneficial to the nation and state of the United States.
At least one can have a rational discussion with those folks, even as one disagrees with them. The same is not true when considering those with a considerable knowledge deficit.
For example in the case above - if Texan77 had even a cursory knowledge of the topic he'd not have posted as he did because he'd have known of the effects of quantitative easing, he'd know of the effects of a 'strong' dollar, he'd know about Russia's management of their currency and how they used a planned devaluation to reduce external debt and how devaluation secured Russia's ruble revenues even as the dollar 'strengthened'.
To explain the Western viewpoint I will quote something I found regarding Russia recently.
I have no intention to get involved in any arguments or debate with persons that throwing personal insults, which for me is a red flag. I simply ignore them and it is to the moderator to keep them in order. My view is, when debating a subject you do not attack the person but you dispute, if you disagree their comments.
Wiz, (Edit by wiz) You give way to much credit to America and its surveillance. But in fact the evidence coming from the Kremlin has changed on a rather daily basis from the time of the incident. The Dutch and Australians are heading the investigation, with input from Russia and other countries.
I must say I was raised not to ignore those around you, it is rude.
To explain the Western viewpoint I will quote something I found regarding Russia recently. “The harsh gifts of fate have left their stamp on the inhabitants of the Kremlin. A certain somber obstinacy, a sort of primitive ferocity, a background of savage harshness, which under the sway of circumstances might become implacable and even ruthless, a coldly indomitable force that would rather wreck the world than yield, the indestructible instinct of the barbarian horde still persisting in an only half civilized nation.
To explain the Western viewpoint I will quote something I found regarding Russia recently.
Avvy, you just recently found F.J.P. Veale? :eeekk:
Many Russian Banks have issued BONDS (dept) in Rubbles and now Russia buy it back at 1/2 price.....
Oh, cool, was close! ;D Father is reading some of his (Veale's) stuff, just yesterday shared on Mongol conquest, i thought it sounded familiar.
Not Veale, he is a troubling part of the revisionist historians.
The quote is from Henri-Frédéric Amiel written in 1856. He was a reasonable poet and a keen observer.
Many Russian Banks have issued BONDS (dept) in Rubbles and now Russia buy it back at 1/2 price.....
Er um Wiz . . . . . . . .
What do you think the USA is going to be able to do with the billions and billions of dollars of government bonds that have been issued with sub 1% coupon values over the past 5-7 years?
Texan77 and others might want to Google the term 'competitive devaluation' and learn about FX a little more. Specifically one might then learn about why Russian strategy, in respect of the ruble, which has been in play for several years has been so effective for that country.
Please explain to the small businesses having to buy in with a weak currency - or the shoppers - as the price of produce from outside Russia becomes ever more expensive.
Buying local products and/or sourcing from cheaper countries.
Please explain to the small businesses having to buy in with a weak currency - or the shoppers - as the price of produce from outside Russia becomes ever more expensive.
Buying local products and/or sourcing from cheaper countries.
As I am finding - sourcing from China - when it comes to tools - means clones that are awful...
Only if you use the wrong places. Good Chinese factories can make anything as well as anyone. Especially if they copy it. Muppets and incompetent people make rubbish anywhere.
Please explain to the small businesses having to buy in with a weak currency - or the shoppers - as the price of produce from outside Russia becomes ever more expensive.
Buying local products and/or sourcing from cheaper countries.
Which drives prices up depending on elasticity
. . . but I see Russians pulling their kids from private schools and they do not share you 'optimism'
high interest rates are NOT a good thing
. . . but I see Russians pulling their kids from private schools and they do not share you 'optimism'
While I have not looked for statistics, both in the town in CT where I have a home there is a growing influx of both Chinese and Russian high school students. The school is rather unique while free for residents as a town school it is not a public school. And they offer an IB diploma
In England, and yes I mean England my daughter moved from one elite school to another one that offered an IB diploma, both schools has seen a steady increase of students from the BRICS and this includes Russia and China.
. . . but I see Russians pulling their kids from private schools and they do not share you 'optimism'
While I have not looked for statistics, both in the town in CT where I have a home there is a growing influx of both Chinese and Russian high school students. The school is rather unique while free for residents as a town school it is not a public school. And they offer an IB diploma
In England, and yes I mean England my daughter moved from one elite school to another one that offered an IB diploma, both schools has seen a steady increase of students from the BRICS and this includes Russia and China.
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1/ My ex and I ran a biz placing - MAINLY FSU kids in English schools ..
2/ One of our friends is the marketing person for one such school - it was she that gave us the idea ... My info is from March 15 - RU / UA pupils had not renewed / were behind with fees and Madam was off drumming up replacement students in the far east
It WAS the case that FSU students were limited - as many schools felt they needed to maintain a balance of foreign nationals - esp. from China and FSU .
The best/worst story was a student from Moscow who could not follow when he arrived any of the classes in England. It turned out a dubbelganger took the entry exam in Moscow.
Come on Manny, this the first thing we learn when running a business - no competition - higher prices
Based on salaries here and the UK - produce that is 'sanctioned' - e.g Dairy produce such as Milk / cheese / butter is much more expensive in Russia.
Nice 'spin', Manny.... More than a year has passed and butter, milk and cheese were only examples. The prices keep increasing.
In the UK Cheese is upwards of 5 GBP / Kg..decent ..'non processed ' decent stuff is about 50 perecent more.. In Russia..with wages about 4ctimes less it is more expensive than the UK...at 7.50 to 10 GBP for the equiv.
Dairy output is already increased significantly however it takes longer to raise a cheesemaker (cow or goat) than it does to raise a field of grass (fuel for the cheesemaker) that means, as Manny suggested, a lag between the imposition of sanctions and local supply taking up all the slack.
I read those reports, you will note I asked a question of you - as yet unanswered. It was a rhetorical question not demanding you get your calculator out but doing so might have been instructive.
However let me ask you an explicitly rhetorical question: Do you think that the US economy is in great shape for now and the coming years?
But the reason the results of sanctions and counter sanctions are not catastrophic, is that ordinary citizens have no credit to pay back, like mortgages. I imagine that if these conditions had happened in Britain or the US, there would have been a catastrophic meltdown, and credit crunch.
But as far as a crisis in a country like Russia happens, it will sort itself out, through source replacement, black market, and lower demand through elasticity.
I am sure all the astute readers on this board must have noticed the comments emanating from over the pond all start the same way.......eg ... after the aggression of Putin or something similar because that is, what is been given to them by their MM propaganda and of course they learn to copy this tactic, REVERSING THE BLAME to Putin or Russia, before they even wrote anything else. They obviously think we are morons and brain dead!
I am sure all the astute readers on this board must have noticed the comments emanating from over the pond all start the same way.......eg ... after the aggression of Putin or something similar because that is, what is been given to them by their MM propaganda and of course they learn to copy this tactic, REVERSING THE BLAME to Putin or Russia, before they even wrote anything else. They obviously think we are morons and brain dead!
Well your past leaders did kill about 60 million people in the 20th century. I guess its lost on you Euro citizens.
If you guys wish to avoid the early live tweets from the Russian side or WTF you want to call them after the plane was shot down, and all the backtracking from Russia, then go ahead. If you Euro boys think nothing is wrong with a leader rigging elections and killing off his critics, then go right ahead with your belief that we over here are out to lunch.
If you find Putin to be a great leader instilling pride into the RF citizens through his silly posturing on the worlds stage. 'reclaiming' lands 'rightfully' ethnic Russian....wait who was that German leader in the 1930's? Anyway if you Euro boys wish to see the CCCP back in your sunrise, and from the drivel I read here I can see many do, then go have a glass of kavass, and toast to the new Europe.
I know I really miss those 1980's, all the the hostility and nuke bomb buildup, shit, I'm getting choked up just thinking of those defectors from the CCCP to Canada and the US!
Cdnexpat, I have made this point before
the economic action against Russia was designed from the context of a US perspective and evidently with a lack of knowledge.
Yes, had those sanctions been enacted in the US or UK the results would have been disastrous. In Russia they were not because the economy is fundamentally more sound and yes, debt is at the heart of the issue.
Shakespeare I was not referring to currency risk as a read of my words will show you. That was not the point. What you may have misunderstood is the effect that you see in dollars is very different from the perspective of the ruble. In that regard you made a similar basic error to those other commentators and sanctions planners who have been predicting doom and gloom in Russia.
Cdnexpat, I have made this point before, the economic action against Russia was designed from the context of a US perspective and evidently with a lack of knowledge. Yes, had those sanctions been enacted in the US or UK the results would have been disastrous. In Russia they were not because the economy is fundamentally more sound and yes, debt is at the heart of the issue.
The difference is not about which party is in power in the US, that's a charade. The US economy is broken right now. The significant change, as I see it, is that a managed decline process that was inclusive of the US has now broken down due to power changes within the US and that now puts us in a much more 'dynamic' situation where the US will flail about and destabilise the world rather than, as before, work with world powers to manage the US economy into a new global paradigm where it's stature would be recognised and largely welcomed to a much less comfortable role for the United States. Basically the United States will be sent to the naughty corner. That process is under way right now.
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Shakespeare I was not referring to currency risk as a read of my words will show you. That was not the point. What you may have misunderstood is the effect that you see in dollars is very different from the perspective of the ruble. In that regard you made a similar basic error to those other commentators and sanctions planners who have been predicting doom and gloom in Russia.
America is slowly collapsing, you said, and I agree. Their economy is a ponzi scheme, propped up by world use of the dollar. However, Russia, Iran, China and some other BRICS countries are leading a long overdue de-dollarisation of the world.
Well your past leaders did kill about 60 million people in the 20th century. I guess its lost on you Euro citizens.
If you guys wish to avoid the early live tweets from the Russian side or WTF you want to call them after the plane was shot down, and all the backtracking from Russia, then go ahead. If you Euro boys think nothing is wrong with a leader rigging elections and killing off his critics, then go right ahead with your belief that we over here are out to lunch.
If you find Putin to be a great leader instilling pride into the RF citizens through his silly posturing on the worlds stage. 'reclaiming' lands 'rightfully' ethnic Russian....wait who was that German leader in the 1930's? Anyway if you Euro boys wish to see the CCCP back in your sunrise, and from the drivel I read here I can see many do, then go have a glass of kavass, and toast to the new Europe.
I know I really miss those 1980's, all the the hostility and nuke bomb buildup, shit, I'm getting choked up just thinking of those defectors from the CCCP to Canada and the US!
Estonian's consider themselves to be "native" to their land since they have been there for 10000 years since the glaciers retreated.
Estonian's consider themselves to be "native" to their land since they have been there for 10000 years since the glaciers retreated.
And still there are less than a million of them if you subtract the Russians. They must breed as slow as giant Pandas.
I thought the map was drawn up after the war, by all world powers. The US occupied all of Europe, and the USSR Eastern Europe, and whatever was left. The USSR folded, but the US is still holding its ground. :laugh:QuoteWell your past leaders did kill about 60 million people in the 20th century. I guess its lost on you Euro citizens.
If you guys wish to avoid the early live tweets from the Russian side or WTF you want to call them after the plane was shot down, and all the backtracking from Russia, then go ahead. If you Euro boys think nothing is wrong with a leader rigging elections and killing off his critics, then go right ahead with your belief that we over here are out to lunch.
If you find Putin to be a great leader instilling pride into the RF citizens through his silly posturing on the worlds stage. 'reclaiming' lands 'rightfully' ethnic Russian....wait who was that German leader in the 1930's? Anyway if you Euro boys wish to see the CCCP back in your sunrise, and from the drivel I read here I can see many do, then go have a glass of kavass, and toast to the new Europe.
I know I really miss those 1980's, all the the hostility and nuke bomb buildup, shit, I'm getting choked up just thinking of those defectors from the CCCP to Canada and the US!
Nice post Don.
My Eesti cousin said one thing that I thought was an interesting way to look at it. Estonian's consider themselves to be "native" to their land since they have been there for 10000 years since the glaciers retreated. So in the end it doesn't matter to them if Putin thinks they left the CCCP illegally or not...just look back further in time and there was a point or multiple points where Imperialist Russia or the USSR occupied them illegally in the first place which should never have happened.
I make a point to read history, and even refresh my memory, when I write publicly on a forum.Estonian's consider themselves to be "native" to their land since they have been there for 10000 years since the glaciers retreated.
And still there are less than a million of them if you subtract the Russians. They must breed as slow as giant Pandas.
Well I am sure a few wars and deportations might put a dent in population growth over time. Some countries can live peacefully without rampant expansion to make themselves feel good...and some :censored: ries only know expansion, conquering and behaving like a bad neighbor. I know which place I would like to live.
America is slowly collapsing, you said, and I agree. Their economy is a ponzi scheme, propped up by world use of the dollar. However, Russia, Iran, China and some other BRICS countries are leading a long overdue de-dollarisation of the world.
Hey, don't pinch my words, use your own. :chuckle:
You guys get on your band wagon and complain about the US. We do have a debt problem. But what none of you guys want to talk about so does everyone else. Yes I believe we are in the last 18 months of this before the world global finance system come to an end. But do not just blame the US. The Russian currency is not weak because of America but because of bad choices Russia is making. The stock market in China is not collapsing because of America but because of choices China made. Europe is not struggling because of America but because of their choices. China has already dumped over half of their US bonds to buy projects that are now worth much less than the bonds. China has canceled the big gas deal with Russia. Not a US problem we did not have anything to do with it. Oil prices collapsing maybe this has more to do with the early stages of the world wide recession that is just starting than something the US did. Also know nearly every other commodity in the world is also dropping in price. Once again recession causing over supply.
Currencies of commodity base countries are becoming under stressed like Russia. Just look at Australia's currency. China over expanded using debt that was not sustainable and now that is coming to an end. China has done more to hurt Russia by causing the run up in Commodity prices then the fall then we did with the sanctions and everything else. No body want to talk about the miss management in China because they are not the big bad wolf.
Everything that goes wrong in the world you guys like to blame America. I think the world is going to get real bad so you guys will be able to do a lot of blaming. It is not completely the just the fault of the USA. Everybody loved the easy money and everybody is in debt.
Texan77, once again time to point out that you need to do some learning. Learn about the numbers, learn to make comparisons and to understand what those comparisons mean.
Until you get the hang of the basics your extemporising means nothing, indeed, just don't do it! Prepare first, collect your data, construct your argument and then do a sanity check.
I can't speak for others here but I certainly understand the consequences of the coming collapse over the pond, it will touch us all.
Until blokes like you understand what blokes like me understand there's no chance that the worst can be avoided for you, or for me.
America is slowly collapsing, you said, and I agree. Their economy is a ponzi scheme, propped up by world use of the dollar. However, Russia, Iran, China and some other BRICS countries are leading a long overdue de-dollarisation of the world.
Hey, don't pinch my words, use your own. :chuckle:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-29/putin-running-to-stand-still-as-euro-gold-stymie-reserves-drive
They are paying a huge price for dumping dollars. It would appear China and Russia is an even bigger ponzi scheme than the US.
Estonian's consider themselves to be "native" to their land since they have been there for 10000 years since the glaciers retreated.
And still there are less than a million of them if you subtract the Russians. They must breed as slow as giant Pandas.
America is slowly collapsing, you said, and I agree. Their economy is a ponzi scheme, propped up by world use of the dollar. However, Russia, Iran, China and some other BRICS countries are leading a long overdue de-dollarisation of the world.
Hey, don't pinch my words, use your own. :chuckle:
America is slowly collapsing, you said, and I agree. Their economy is a ponzi scheme, propped up by world use of the dollar. However, Russia, Iran, China and some other BRICS countries are leading a long overdue de-dollarisation of the world.
Hey, don't pinch my words, use your own. :chuckle:
No need to worry old boy! :laugh:
You forgot that you don't have the copyright, as you probably read and copy it,
from the same source that I read too! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
I had only to copy my own text from a comment I made,
over a year ago, on another place! :biggrin:
I thought the map was drawn up after the war, by all world powers. The US occupied all of Europe, and the USSR Eastern Europe, and whatever was left. The USSR folded, but the US is still holding its ground. :laugh:
Well your past leaders did kill about 60 million people in the 20th century. I guess its lost on you Euro citizens.
If you guys wish to avoid the early live tweets from the Russian side or WTF you want to call them after the plane was shot down, and all the backtracking from Russia, then go ahead. If you Euro boys think nothing is wrong with a leader rigging elections and killing off his critics, then go right ahead with your belief that we over here are out to lunch.
If you find Putin to be a great leader instilling pride into the RF citizens through his silly posturing on the worlds stage. 'reclaiming' lands 'rightfully' ethnic Russian....wait who was that German leader in the 1930's? Anyway if you Euro boys wish to see the CCCP back in your sunrise, and from the drivel I read here I can see many do, then go have a glass of kavass, and toast to the new Europe.
I know I really miss those 1980's, all the the hostility and nuke bomb buildup, shit, I'm getting choked up just thinking of those defectors from the CCCP to Canada and the US!
Nice post Don.
An inconvenient truth influenced no doubt by their better halves :chuckle:
RF women who immigrate and marry men outside of Europe don't think like the migrating RW's in other parts of the world.
An inconvenient truth influenced no doubt by their better halves :chuckle:
RF women who immigrate and marry men outside of Europe don't think like the migrating RW's in other parts of the world.
Oh, please educate us on this statement?
I can assure you that many form friendships with women from UA and try to avoid politics and are somewhat ashamed
Manny, as ever you are unwise to state such things without checking.
Non support from Russians living in the UK is not uncommon.
ALL the Russians I know are no fans of Putin.
ALL the Russians I know are no fans of Putin.
Perhaps like attracts like in both cases.
ALL the Russians I know are no fans of Putin.
Perhaps like attracts like in both cases.
I think it's more a matter of seeing all perspectives .. not sure what you mean, Manny - could you clarify, please
RF women who immigrate and marry men outside of Europe don't think like the migrating RW's in other parts of the world.
I mean if a chap has a general political view, one way or the other, it will have come from his general mindset. How we are. So take an average right wing bloke, he *may* also decide he is a supporter of Putin. That being the case, he is unlikely (if he has any sense) to marry a woman from the region who is an anti-Putin, bleeding heart Liberal type, as they would be chalk and cheese. In the same way a Thatcherite businessman might not marry an arty farty type of bird who wants to loaf about all day in a pair of fair trade shoes making astrological charts; he will more likely want a bird with a bit of get up and go and some fire in her belly.
I mean if a chap has a general political view, one way or the other, it will have come from his general mindset. How we are. So take an average right wing bloke, he *may* also decide he is a supporter of Putin. That being the case, he is unlikely (if he has any sense) to marry a woman from the region who is an anti-Putin, bleeding heart Liberal type, as they would be chalk and cheese. In the same way a Thatcherite businessman might not marry an arty farty type of bird who wants to loaf about all day in a pair of fair trade shoes making astrological charts; he will more likely want a bird with a bit of get up and go and some fire in her belly.
We tend to attract those, socially and in relationships, who have a broadly similar outlook to ourselves. Accordingly, for example, in my social circle, I am not aware of very many fuzzy thinking leftists.
In that context, it would make sense that I have not met very many Russian women who are not Putin supporters, but you and Ste are more likely to. Because like attracts like.
I have noted, over the years reading sites like this, that many women who relocate over the pond will often be anti leadership/government system wherever they came from. Like many immigrants who live over the pond, they seek a new mast with which to nail their flag to. They often become very vocal against the situation where they came from and very supportive of their new home (Guppy here is a good example of that). It takes that type of character in a woman to be able to successfully relocate over the pond lest she be very homesick and unhappy. We all know how patriotic and "rah rah America" most Americans are. A woman needs to be able to get on board with all that if marrying a bloke from there. Otherwise it would drive her around the twist. One reason many women eschew Americans, as they cant get on board with all that "We are the greatest yada yada" that forms part of their make up.
Don hasn't yet elaborated on what he meant when he said:QuoteRF women who immigrate and marry men outside of Europe don't think like the migrating RW's in other parts of the world.
He may well be unwittingly correct, but I am unsure of what thinking - if any - lay behind his statement. Or if he was just being flippant.
Out of all the Russian's I know only 1 is a big supporter of Putin. The rest, my wife included, are at the very least slightly ashamed of him...and cannot talk politics with the brainwashed family at home in Russia. They find trying to discuss Putin and Russia's actions with their family back home about as hopeless as discussing the western viewpoint on a right-wing pro-Putin forum such as this.Nicely Put
Out of all the Russian's I know only 1 is a big supporter of Putin. The rest, my wife included, are at the very least slightly ashamed of him...and cannot talk politics with the brainwashed family at home in Russia. They find trying to discuss Putin and Russia's actions with their family back home about as hopeless as discussing the western viewpoint on a right-wing pro-Putin forum such as this.Nicely Put
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Out of all the Russian's I know only 1 is a big supporter of Putin. The rest, my wife included, are at the very least slightly ashamed of him...and cannot talk politics with the brainwashed family at home in Russia. They find trying to discuss Putin and Russia's actions with their family back home about as hopeless as discussing the western viewpoint on a right-wing pro-Putin forum such as this.
Most Americans I know are what I'd call "anti-Russian". Their opinion on this topic is born from the same ignorance of facts that caused them to believe Obama was the new messiah. These "low information voters" have put our country on a path to destruction.
I'm beginning to believe progressive liberals are a bigger danger to the USA than radical Islamic terrorism.
I mean if a chap has a general political view, one way or the other, it will have come from his general mindset. How we are. So take an average right wing bloke, he *may* also decide he is a supporter of Putin. That being the case, he is unlikely (if he has any sense) to marry a woman from the region who is an anti-Putin, bleeding heart Liberal type, as they would be chalk and cheese. In the same way a Thatcherite businessman might not marry an arty farty type of bird who wants to loaf about all day in a pair of fair trade shoes making astrological charts; he will more likely want a bird with a bit of get up and go and some fire in her belly.
Obama, by ramming through the Iran Nuclear Treaty will become the biggest financial supporter of international terrorism in history.
Russia could have peace again if they would actually really get out of E. Ukraine but it's going to be their new Afghanistan all over again if they try to keep it going. :o
"Is an attack on Finland possible? Yes, and Finland knows that. Is an attack on the Baltic states possible? Yes,"
Did you know that Finlands economy is going doing very badly .... because of the sanctions against Russia.... and now they cannot export paper products there, .... their biggest client?A shame. They are the good guys here.
On account of Finland being so terrified, they joined NATO years ago. Oh wait, they didn't.......
Did you know that Finlands economy is going doing very badly .... because of the sanctions against Russia.... and now they cannot export paper products there, .... their biggest client?
Because they live longer... :laugh:Did you know that Finlands economy is going doing very badly .... because of the sanctions against Russia.... and now they cannot export paper products there, .... their biggest client?
How can anybody trade with them - who understands that gibberish the Finns speak?
And I swear, their men drink more than Russian men . . . . . . . . .
On account of Finland being so terrified, they joined NATO years ago. Oh wait, they didn't.......
I think you can understand why - the last time the Russians tried to take Finland they weren't so successful . . . . . . . . .
What, you mean the Winter War that the Finns lost and had to give up Karelia?
For some reason many othersiders seem to think that was a Finnish victory. God alone knows why, it ain't like it was a secret or anything.
A foolish war that happened because the Finns refused to talk to the Russians.
What, you mean the Winter War that the Finns lost and had to give up Karelia?
For some reason many othersiders seem to think that was a Finnish victory. God alone knows why, it ain't like it was a secret or anything.
A foolish war that happened because the Finns refused to talk to the Russians.
Well, outnumbered and outgunned, the Finnish Army fought the Russian's to a standstill. The Soviets possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks. They Fins lost slightly more land that what the Russians originally demanded prior to the war and the poor performance by the Russian army against what was considered a vastly inferior opponent helped convince Hitler that and attack by Germany upon the Soviet Union would be successful.
Considering Russia went to war intending to conquer ALL of Finland, yes Andrew, it was a Finnish victory.
What, you mean the Winter War that the Finns lost and had to give up Karelia?
For some reason many othersiders seem to think that was a Finnish victory. God alone knows why, it ain't like it was a secret or anything.
A foolish war that happened because the Finns refused to talk to the Russians.
Well, outnumbered and outgunned, the Finnish Army fought the Russian's to a standstill. The Soviets possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks. They Fins lost slightly more land that what the Russians originally demanded prior to the war and the poor performance by the Russian army against what was considered a vastly inferior opponent helped convince Hitler that and attack by Germany upon the Soviet Union would be successful.
Considering Russia went to war intending to conquer ALL of Finland, yes Andrew, it was a Finnish victory.
"Is an attack on Finland possible? Yes, and Finland knows that. Is an attack on the Baltic states possible? Yes,"
On account of Finland being so terrified, they joined NATO years ago. Oh wait, they didn't.......
In fact I think I would be hard pressed to say that the Soviet Union scored a real victory over Germany during WWII.
In fact I think I would be hard pressed to say that the Soviet Union scored a real victory over Germany during WWII.
What have you been smoking Anteros?
"Is an attack on Finland possible? Yes, and Finland knows that. Is an attack on the Baltic states possible? Yes,"
On account of Finland being so terrified, they joined NATO years ago. Oh wait, they didn't.......
Because they're smart. They know the best way to placate the Russian bear is to give an image of neutrality.
"Is an attack on Finland possible? Yes, and Finland knows that. Is an attack on the Baltic states possible? Yes,"
On account of Finland being so terrified, they joined NATO years ago. Oh wait, they didn't.......
Because they're smart. They know the best way to placate the Russian bear is to give an image of neutrality.
No, because they understand Russia is no threat to them despite sharing a border.
Have you *been* to Finland? I have. :Zzzzsleep:
The Baltics are pretty quiet countries, which Russia is not really interested in.
But.....The could be destabilized, to create another manure pile on Russia's border.
But on the other hand, I think Germany would oppose this one. :coffeeread:
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
You are entirely missing the point with that idea. The point is that the Baltics have a right to be prepared for any and all eventualities and in fact Putin and the RF will likely not try anything there but only because the USA showed military support for the Baltics.
You would call human loss of life of more than 4 to 1 a victory, when they could have been far better prepared if they had in place a real leader instead of an insane genocidal dictator?
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
Of course they won't. Only an idiot would accept an even money proposition like that.
You British have no sense of sporting chance. . . . . . . . . . .
What odds are you offering?
Against a NATO member - Ten millon to one would be "fair odds" for this proposal.
Against Finland without NATO protection, a million to one sounds fair.
I think you're on the right side of the proposition, just want to make sure anybody lucky enough to accurately predict such an invasion would be justly rewarded.
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
You are entirely missing the point with that idea. The point is that the Baltics have a right to be prepared for any and all eventualities and in fact Putin and the RF will likely not try anything there but only because the USA showed military support for the Baltics.
You either think Russia will invade one of these places or you don't. If you do, pledge your $100. If you don't, lets have no more silly talk about it.
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
You are entirely missing the point with that idea. The point is that the Baltics have a right to be prepared for any and all eventualities and in fact Putin and the RF will likely not try anything there but only because the USA showed military support for the Baltics.
You either think Russia will invade one of these places or you don't. If you do, pledge your $100. If you don't, lets have no more silly talk about it.
The Russian reason behind the war in the Ukraine is political. Look at Putin numbers and what they were before the war and now. The man knows Russian politics and how to control public opinion. Their was nothing in eastern Ukraine he wanted neither. I think Putin spent all he can afford in the Ukraine war and just can not afford the aftermath of another victory like he has enjoyed in the Ukraine. But then if his pole number get weak no telling what he will happen next time to get Russians to support him. I am sure it will envolved making the West the big bad wolf again.
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
Are you willing to throw Moldova in the mix?
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
Are you willing to throw Moldova in the mix?
Attack, invasion or annexation. Sure.
You would call human loss of life of more than 4 to 1 a victory, when they could have been far better prepared if they had in place a real leader instead of an insane genocidal dictator?
Christ Anteros, it was a war of annihilation. Only an idiot could look at the pictures of Berlin from April 1945 and not be able to deduce that Russia utterly defeated Germany. Could they have been more economical in the destruction? In hindsight, of course.
In fact I think I would be hard pressed to say that the Soviet Union scored a real victory over Germany during WWII.
What have you been smoking Anteros?
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
You are entirely missing the point with that idea. The point is that the Baltics have a right to be prepared for any and all eventualities and in fact Putin and the RF will likely not try anything there but only because the USA showed military support for the Baltics.
You either think Russia will invade one of these places or you don't. If you do, pledge your $100. If you don't, lets have no more silly talk about it.
So you are saying: "No Manny, I wont take that bet". That's cool.
OK, here is a fun thing. Shakey likes wagers......
Who wants to bet me $100 that Russia will attack/invade/annex Finland/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Poland in the next year?
I say they wont.
You boys are all so sure Russia is an acquisitive behemoth who is poised to gobble up its neighbours. I say they are not. I will put a $100 bet with anyone here who wants to take me up on that. You all know Russia is "aggressive" and "about to invade" right? The American media says so. :) Should be easy money for you........
Anyone?
You are entirely missing the point with that idea. The point is that the Baltics have a right to be prepared for any and all eventualities and in fact Putin and the RF will likely not try anything there but only because the USA showed military support for the Baltics.
You either think Russia will invade one of these places or you don't. If you do, pledge your $100. If you don't, lets have no more silly talk about it.
The Russian reason behind the war in the Ukraine is political. Look at Putin numbers and what they were before the war and now. The man knows Russian politics and how to control public opinion. Their was nothing in eastern Ukraine he wanted neither. I think Putin spent all he can afford in the Ukraine war and just can not afford the aftermath of another victory like he has enjoyed in the Ukraine. But then if his pole number get weak no telling what he will happen next time to get Russians to support him. I am sure it will envolved making the West the big bad wolf again.
As you quoted it, is that you taking my bet or not?
Hitler lost almost no soldiers against any other army that faced them. Russia understood this and was willing to pay the reaper, to get victory.In fact I think I would be hard pressed to say that the Soviet Union scored a real victory over Germany during WWII.
What have you been smoking Anteros?
You would call human loss of life of more than 4 to 1 a victory, when they could have been far better prepared if they had in place a real leader instead of an insane genocidal dictator?
Hitler lost almost no soldiers against any other army that faced them. Russia understood this and was willing to pay the reaper, to get victory.In fact I think I would be hard pressed to say that the Soviet Union scored a real victory over Germany during WWII.
What have you been smoking Anteros?
You would call human loss of life of more than 4 to 1 a victory, when they could have been far better prepared if they had in place a real leader instead of an insane genocidal dictator?
In the tank-battle for volgograd they were outnumbered at least 2 to 1, and still defeated the nazi's due to superior technology AND tactics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus
You really should read up on WW-II.
You really should read up on WW-II.
You really should read up on WW-II.
When you refer to 'Russians' when a Georgian was in charge of a SOVIET army, I have to wonder WHO needs to read up. :chuckle:
I think you are doing a slight dis- service to the diverse allies who delayed the Nazi operation to invade the Soviet Union nearly two months and allow nature to play it's hand and bog down Hitler's forces..
Battle of Britain
Balkans Campaign
The Latvian Foreign Ministry has announced it will refuse visas to Russian citizens who hold passports featuring Crimea as part of the Russian Federation
Would seem Russia had issued passports for Crimea as early as December 2013 months before Crimea was annexed, by Russia.
You really should read up on WW-II.
When you refer to 'Russians' when a Georgian was in charge of a SOVIET army, I have to wonder WHO needs to read up. :chuckle:
I think you are doing a slight dis- service to the diverse allies who delayed the Nazi operation to invade the Soviet Union nearly two months and allow nature to play it's hand and bog down Hitler's forces..
Battle of Britain
Balkans Campaign
He also needs to read up on the fact that Stalin was willing to send troops to support German troops at any time and anywhere due to the secret pact, that is until Hitler broke the pact and commenced operation Barbarossa.
Russian losses would have been much higher without allied help which was enormous but you rarely hear much about it from the Soviet style Russians.
Mark you complain that allied losses were fewer against the Germans. Was it our fault that we were better trained, better equipped and used better tactics which resulted in fewer casualties on the part of Americans, British and others fighting the Germans?
I suggest you read up on the fact that early in the war Stalin insisted his Soviet troops engage in non-stop suicide attacks against the initially superior Germans.
If you're going to comment on the history of the war get your facts straight bud.
Would seem Russia had issued passports for Crimea as early as December 2013 months before Crimea was annexed, by Russia.
The Latvian Foreign Ministry has announced it will refuse visas to Russian citizens who hold passports featuring Crimea as part of the Russian Federation
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/135672/
Would seem Russia had issued passports for Crimea as early as December 2013 months before Crimea was annexed, by Russia.
Russia will issue a passport to ethnic Russians or those whose parents (or just one) were born in Russia who reside anywhere. Why our daughter who was born in the UK to one non-resident Russian born parent also has rather useful Russian citizenship in addition to her British one.
But they don't force it on people, y'know? They must actually want it, apply for it and pay money. Which the Crimeans in 2013 in your article will have done.
Similarly, anyone in the Baltics (per the topic) who has a Russian parent can also get Russian citizenship. I *think* also if they were born in Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania when it was the USSR (CCCP) it is automatic.
In practice, it removes the visa restriction into Russia for those who have business/family there. One of the things I am currently lobbying for for family members anywhere (like me for example) who don't happen to be eligible for Russian citizenship.
Would seem Russia had issued passports for Crimea as early as December 2013 months before Crimea was annexed, by Russia.
Russia will issue a passport to ethnic Russians or those whose parents (or just one) were born in Russia who reside anywhere. Why our daughter who was born in the UK to one non-resident Russian born parent also has rather useful Russian citizenship in addition to her British one.
But they don't force it on people, y'know? They must actually want it, apply for it and pay money. Which the Crimeans in 2013 in your article will have done.
Similarly, anyone in the Baltics (per the topic) who has a Russian parent can also get Russian citizenship. I *think* also if they were born in Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania when it was the USSR (CCCP) it is automatic.
In practice, it removes the visa restriction into Russia for those who have business/family there. One of the things I am currently lobbying for for family members anywhere (like me for example) who don't happen to be eligible for Russian citizenship.
Is that true about the Baltics? Get loads of queries on my immigration board about these non-citizens in the Baltics, seems on the face of it they can't get full citizenships and therefore EU rights cos they won't or can't pass a ES/LU/LA language test. There's a lot.
Dunno if it's the real truth tho, they are mostly oldies, even UK exempts over 65's for any language tests...
Would seem Russia had issued passports for Crimea as early as December 2013 months before Crimea was annexed, by Russia.
Russia will issue a passport to ethnic Russians or those whose parents (or just one) were born in Russia who reside anywhere. Why our daughter who was born in the UK to one non-resident Russian born parent also has rather useful Russian citizenship in addition to her British one.
But they don't force it on people, y'know? They must actually want it, apply for it and pay money. Which the Crimeans in 2013 in your article will have done.
Similarly, anyone in the Baltics (per the topic) who has a Russian parent can also get Russian citizenship. I *think* also if they were born in Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania when it was the USSR (CCCP) it is automatic.
In practice, it removes the visa restriction into Russia for those who have business/family there. One of the things I am currently lobbying for for family members anywhere (like me for example) who don't happen to be eligible for Russian citizenship.
Most young Russian people, reluctantly, learned some Estonian (or Latvian or whatever) and did the simple language test and got the EU passport. Older people who spoke Russian all their lives had no intention of learning anything else, so they stayed grey. Some held expired USSR and/or old Russian passports - then can all get Russian citizenship with an EU residence stamp. The Baltic states are just fudging those who don't want to learn the local language waiting for them to die off. They have no interest in them. They can quietly travel the Schengen by road (as no borders) although technically, they are not entitled to.
There are old people in the Baltics who are not getting a pension from the shiny new EU state. And they should be. Outside the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Estonia there are old Russian babushkas begging, who say they don't get a penny from Estonia. Right opposite the government building.........
It was one subject I tried to engage the Twitter-addicted American president of Estonia, Toomas Hendrik Ilves on, on Twitter. And when I did, this happened.......
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The truth isn't convenient in Estonia.
I must be missing the part where Crimea was within the Russian federation prior to 2014?It was inside the RF a long, long time before given to Ukraine by Kruchev. Most people didn't even know until 1991 when the USSR fell apart and felt 'trapped' inside the wrong country. For them, they have been living in the wrong country for 25 years and now go 'home'.
When did it become legal to have dual citizenship in Ukraine?It didn't. Many Crimeans are swamping the goverment offices swapping their identity for a Russian one, denouncing their Ukrainian citizenship. I saw the lines in 2014 (took 30 days just to get in the office, the queue was that long). in 2015, the queue has shrunk to just 3-4 days waiting, but still a long wait to hear you didn't dot the i, and now have to go back to step one.
To call Ilves an "American president' is almost the same as calling Mussolini as an "African savior".
To call Ilves an "American president' is almost the same as calling Mussolini as an "African savior".
He is American. He was brought up in New Jersey. He has an American passport. He speaks English in an American accent. The bloke is an American.
Culturally he is American rather than Estonian although, of course, as with others of his ilk (he is far from alone of his type although time has lessened their overt differences) he is accustomed to wrapping himself in the appropriate cultural trappings.
I have known several people from Crimea, they considered themselves fortunate to have been raised there. None of them considered themselves Ukrainian and considered the region to be a part of Russia temporarily in Ukraine.I know several people who were born on the peninsula and their kids live in other parts of Ukraine and the issue of citizenship is a thorny one, depending on one you have made your life.
I do not here refer to recent émigrés but to people who have lived outside the area for decades.
The aim of the construction is to cover the land border with 100%, around-the-clock technical surveillance to create ideal conditions for border guarding and to ensure the security of Estonia and the Schengen area," interior ministry spokesman Toomas Viks told AFP news agency.
QuoteThe aim of the construction is to cover the land border with 100%, around-the-clock technical surveillance to create ideal conditions for border guarding and to ensure the security of Estonia and the Schengen area," interior ministry spokesman Toomas Viks told AFP news agency.
Shouldn't they have done that in 2004 anyway as part of the process to become part of the Schengen? (:)
However, as noted, the land border is very small as most of it is covered by the Piepsi Lake, and almost nobody crosses illegally from Russia anyway as a migrant. Most of the traffic across that unmanned bit of border is cigarettes and vodka.
QuoteThe aim of the construction is to cover the land border with 100%, around-the-clock technical surveillance to create ideal conditions for border guarding and to ensure the security of Estonia and the Schengen area," interior ministry spokesman Toomas Viks told AFP news agency.
Shouldn't they have done that in 2004 anyway as part of the process to become part of the Schengen? (:)
However, as noted, the land border is very small as most of it is covered by the Piepsi Lake, and almost nobody crosses illegally from Russia anyway as a migrant. Most of the traffic across that unmanned bit of border is cigarettes and vodka.
It's just getting old how often every time any country does anything, the western media relates it to the Ukrainian crisis, and fears of Russian aggression.
Would seem at this point Russia is aiming to invade most of Europe, and Asia. :chuckle:
Seems Russia does not comply with international laws.
Nordic, Baltic States Call on Russia to Release Estonian Policeman
http://m.voanews.com/a/2943507.html
Well, I agree there will be a non-invasion of the Baltics, and the real reason is that Russia's military could not win against NATO.
http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/world/2389-russias-military-is-a-paper-tiger-in-the-baltic
Well, I agree there will be a non-invasion of the Baltics, and the real reason is that Russia's military could not win against NATO.
http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/world/2389-russias-military-is-a-paper-tiger-in-the-baltic
My god that article is so full of lies and drivel. :ROFL:
I looked at who/where they were. US based of course despite the misleading name.
Edit: I just found out that is one of many Khodorkovsky funded sites. Or rather, sites he is the front man for, perhaps funded by the US government.
Well, I agree there will be a non-invasion of the Baltics, and the real reason is that Russia's military could not win against NATO.
http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/world/2389-russias-military-is-a-paper-tiger-in-the-baltic
My god that article is so full of lies and drivel. :ROFL:
I looked at who/where they were. US based of course despite the misleading name.
Edit: I just found out that is one of many Khodorkovsky funded sites. Or rather, sites he is the front man for, perhaps funded by the US government.
Why do you think that this is funded by the US government.
Your site is Pro Russian but not likely funded by Russia.
It looks to me that this is the same as your site. These people do not like the Russian government.
When I see some of the crap coming out about the Baltics at the moment I am reminded of the Great HIV Scare of the early part of this century; a manufactured scare story that garnered for Estonia and the Estonian health service a huge amount of money - at the cost of a frightened populace, almost all of whom STILL don't know the truth.
Not looking to derail this thread but is this about Narva? It has/gets a lot of bad press especially the HIV thing.
You think it's unfounded? I'm just curious, I only passed through there once.
Manny, why don't you explain to your fellow country folk, Russia is harmless, and the United states already has a monopoly on defending against the boogie man. :chuckle:
Michael Fallon: UK to send troops to Baltic states
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11918505/Michael-Fallon-UK-to-send-troops-to-Baltic-states.html
I would say sending troops to the Baltic states is a very safe move. Much safer than sending troops to fight ISIS.
I would say sending troops to the Baltic states is a very safe move. Much safer than sending troops to fight ISIS.
Exactly why they are there I think, Yankee. Estonia isn't a shabby place to be and its heaving with good looking, slim women. I bet American soldiers are loving it there. :nod:
I would say sending troops to the Baltic states is a very safe move. Much safer than sending troops to fight ISIS.
Exactly why they are there I think, Yankee. Estonia isn't a shabby place to be and its heaving with good looking, slim women. I bet American soldiers are loving it there. :nod:
This article shows the difference between Russian and western media.
The statements are mostly true, but the western media would put a completely different slant on it.
Batch of US Armored Vehicles Delivered to Baltic States (VIDEO)
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Protection of the Baltic States is a safe haven. First of all, regardless of what the governments of the Baltic States say about Russian "aggression," NATO commanders understand that it's a myth and therefore it's much better to prove their solidarity in Estonia or Latvia than on a real battlefield.
http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20151025/1029094126/us-tanks-delivered-latvia.html
Sputniknews.com is owned and operated by the Russian government therefore it is going to be against anything the west does.
When was the last time you saw an article on sputniknews.com criticising Putin and/or the Russian government?
Sputniknews.com is owned and operated by the Russian government therefore it is going to be against anything the west does.
Only when they are wrong.
When was the last time you saw an article on sputniknews.com criticising Putin and/or the Russian government?
There is not that much to criticise unless you make it up as the western media does.
Duma Committee Chairman hits out at Baltic “Russophobia”
2015-11-10BNS/TBT-STAFF/VILNIUSAccording to Alexei Pushkov, the chairman of the Russian State Duma’s Foreign Affairs Committee, Russophobia is now a state policy of the Baltic States, and Ukraine. "We are witnessing a highly important and, in my opinion, a very dangerous phenomenon,” Pushkov told the Duma on November 10, 2015. “Russophobia is turning from sentiments into a policy, through a range of propaganda cliches and emotional outbursts, as well as individual provocations like that of comparing Russia with the Third Reich. “It appears to be a systemic ideological foundation that governs the current policies of a number of countries in the Western alliance.” Russophobia has already become the state policy of the Baltic states and now Ukraine in the most blatant way, he stressed, and added “it is absolutely impossible to deny this.” Pushkov also believes that "hostile actions against Russia are already viewed in the capitals of these countries as a goal in itself."
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/135991/
Duma Committee Chairman hits out at Baltic “Russophobia”
2015-11-10BNS/TBT-STAFF/VILNIUSAccording to Alexei Pushkov, the chairman of the Russian State Duma’s Foreign Affairs Committee, Russophobia is now a state policy of the Baltic States, and Ukraine. "We are witnessing a highly important and, in my opinion, a very dangerous phenomenon,” Pushkov told the Duma on November 10, 2015. “Russophobia is turning from sentiments into a policy, through a range of propaganda cliches and emotional outbursts, as well as individual provocations like that of comparing Russia with the Third Reich. “It appears to be a systemic ideological foundation that governs the current policies of a number of countries in the Western alliance.” Russophobia has already become the state policy of the Baltic states and now Ukraine in the most blatant way, he stressed, and added “it is absolutely impossible to deny this.” Pushkov also believes that "hostile actions against Russia are already viewed in the capitals of these countries as a goal in itself."
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/135991/
Русские сказки or as I might say BS.
Sputniknews.com is owned and operated by the Russian government therefore it is going to be against anything the west does.Only when they are wrong.
Then I wait the honest confession that Russian and Chinese co-operation in Syria was desired 3 years ago and is FAR too late..When was the last time you saw an article on sputniknews.com criticising Putin and/or the Russian government?There is not that much to criticise unless you make it up as the western media does.
:chuckle:
When I see Kremlin controlled media investigating corruption within Putin's political party, corruption in the courts and to obtain planning permission for large developments and asking for Mayors / Regonal Heads to be elected - not appointed - I'll take you seriously.
I'm sure you subscribe to VVP's mate - F1 magnet Bernie Ecclestone ... ''Democracy doesn't allow one to getthings done'' .. :chuckle:
Sputniknews.com is owned and operated by the Russian government therefore it is going to be against anything the west does.Only when they are wrong.
Then I wait the honest confession that Russian and Chinese co-operation in Syria was desired 3 years ago and is FAR too late..When was the last time you saw an article on sputniknews.com criticising Putin and/or the Russian government?There is not that much to criticise unless you make it up as the western media does.
:chuckle:
When I see Kremlin controlled media investigating corruption within Putin's political party, corruption in the courts and to obtain planning permission for large developments and asking for Mayors / Regonal Heads to be elected - not appointed - I'll take you seriously.
I'm sure you subscribe to VVP's mate - F1 magnet Bernie Ecclestone ... ''Democracy doesn't allow one to getthings done'' .. :chuckle:
Ah democracy, the only true path to righteousness. And those who don't have it.........well, let's force them! (:)
Much better to have oppressive regimes, no elections or rigged elections, no freedom of speech, state owned and controlled puppet media, etc, etc.
The Baltic states better treat their Russian population better.
Putin has said many times, he will protect Russian citizens wherever they live.
Kremlin blasts Baltic States over "massive human rights violations"
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/136003/
Sergei Naryshkin doesn't say what the "massive human rights violations in the Baltic republics" are.
Sergei Naryshkin doesn't say what the "massive human rights violations in the Baltic republics" are.
He does. Learn English. He is talking of grey passport holders who are forced to take a local state language test if they want a local passport, which is illegal and a breach of their human rights.
He is talking of grey passport holders who are forced to take a local state language test if they want a local passport, which is illegal and a breach of their human rights.I don't think it is fair to ask folk who had nothing to do with the running of the USSR to have to agree that Latvia / Estonia were occupied in order to get their citizenship - but who is saying it is a breach of human rights to have to take a relatively simple language test ?
Sputniknews.com is owned and operated by the Russian government therefore it is going to be against anything the west does.Only when they are wrong.
Then I wait the honest confession that Russian and Chinese co-operation in Syria was desired 3 years ago and is FAR too late..When was the last time you saw an article on sputniknews.com criticising Putin and/or the Russian government?There is not that much to criticise unless you make it up as the western media does.
:chuckle:
When I see Kremlin controlled media investigating corruption within Putin's political party, corruption in the courts and to obtain planning permission for large developments and asking for Mayors / Regonal Heads to be elected - not appointed - I'll take you seriously.
I'm sure you subscribe to VVP's mate - F1 magnet Bernie Ecclestone ... ''Democracy doesn't allow one to getthings done'' .. :chuckle:
Ah democracy, the only true path to righteousness. And those who don't have it.........well, let's force them! (:)
Yes. Democracy. Such a horrible thing. Much better to have oppressive regimes, no elections or rigged elections, no freedom of speech, state owned and controlled puppet media, etc, etc.
Yes, much better than democracy (:)
He is talking of grey passport holders who are forced to take a local state language test if they want a local passport, which is illegal and a breach of their human rights.I don't think it is fair to ask folk who had nothing to do with the running of the USSR to have to agree that Latvia / Estonia were occupied in order to get their citizenship - but who is saying it is a breach of human rights to have to take a relatively simple language test ?
The EU have ensured that the holders of grey passports can travel freely and they don't need visas to go to Russia - unlike those who acquire Estonian / Latvian citizenship - hence many PREFER not to be citizens.
Manny, you do know that under the modified Citizenship act of 2002 you need to be able to speak Russian - unless waived by executive order..?
So, why is is wrong for Estonia / Latvia to make being able to speak the language a rule - but not for Russia ?
Manny, Andrew seems only fair that if Russia requires command or understanding of Russian to be naturalized then it can't be wrong for Estonia to require command of Estonian in order to be a citizen.
Manny, Andrew seems only fair that if Russia requires command or understanding of Russian to be naturalized then it can't be wrong for Estonia to require command of Estonian in order to be a citizen.
Estonia is a multilingual country; nobody can get by on Estonian alone unless Billy no mates. Apples and oranges.
You should probably read up on the history of this before blathering further.
Manny, Andrew seems only fair that if Russia requires command or understanding of Russian to be naturalized then it can't be wrong for Estonia to require command of Estonian in order to be a citizen.
Estonia is a multilingual country; nobody can get by on Estonian alone unless Billy no mates. Apples and oranges.
You should probably read up on the history of this before blathering further.
Manny did you know that a number of the Russian republics have official languages other than Russian? Guess you can't get by with only Russian in some parts of Russia. Try to keep up. Looks like Google wins again. tiphat
Once in a while, the western media kinda gets it right.
6 reasons not to worry about Russia invading the Baltics
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/12/6-reasons-not-to-worry-about-russia-invading-the-baltics/
Estonia is a multilingual country; nobody can get by on Estonian alone unless Billy no mates. Apples and oranges.
You should probably read up on the history of this before blathering further.
who is saying it is a breach of human rights to have to take a relatively simple language test ?
who is saying it is a breach of human rights to have to take a relatively simple language test ?
People who lived all their lives speaking Russian, who don't want to be forced to learn an urdy gurdy language [that bears no similarity to their own tongue] at an advanced age simply to get a passport.
Estonia promised the EU [to join] that these people would be exempted; they lied. Estonia (and I think Lithuania and Latvia too) are denying some native Russian speakers basic human rights. Simply because they want to speak the language they grew up speaking in Estonia: Russian. That is discriminatory.
As an analogy, imagine all Canadians were forced to take a French language test before getting a passport. For many Canadians, French might as well be Swahili. They have no interest in it, it doesn't feature in their day to day lives. Should they learn it simply to be allowed the basic human right of free travel? Of course not.......
Imagine us being forced to learn Welsh to get a UK passport. Same thing. Actually, that is a better analogy. The situation is almost identical if London were moved to the Welsh valleys tomorrow. Imagine a Mancunian (50 miles from Wales) or a Scot (not so far away) being told he must learn Welsh before he can have a passport? The people in Narva feel the same when asked to learn Estonian.
2/ Narva is not a Russian name in origin and when it had the chance to vote on it's status, in 1918 Narva voted to be part of an Independent Estonia -
The Baltics seems to be United with Ukraine. Maybe they are just a tad bit worried about Russia.
Baltic Leaders call on world to not forget Ukraine in wake of Paris attacks
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/136046/
As an analogy, imagine all Canadians were forced to take a French language test before getting a passport. For many Canadians, French might as well be Swahili. They have no interest in it, it doesn't feature in their day to day lives. Should they learn it simply to be allowed the basic human right of free travel? Of course not.......
The intellectual basis for not learning a little language and getting their passport is just as shaky as well.
Lukoil leaves Baltic States due to ‘anti-Russian sentiment
https://www.rt.com/business/327088-lukoil-oil-baltic-states/
Do the reading and you will get a better understanding of what you are told to think.
Know that when one uses numbers such as 99.9% then knowledge and understanding have been discarded.
Of course the oil sold in Lukoil petrol stations may well not come from Russia or Russian upstream suppliers.Lukoil owns a (big) refinery in Netherlands.
Most likely just seeing normal market forces.
IBT: Russia calls on US to drop troops and weapons from Baltics, Eastern Europe
http://uatoday.tv/politics/ibt-russia-calls-on-us-to-drop-troops-and-weapons-from-baltics-eastern-europe-563038.html
I always think of the baltics as some chihuahua's standing next to a huge bullmastiff (russia). the thing is a very friendly, albeit big dog, so they keep yapping at it aggressivly in hopes it won't attack them. But they could rest easily as it won't attack them because it sees them as little to no threat at all.
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov blasts "hysterical" Baltic states
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/136170/
Westcoast where do your carers get this tommyrot that you share here from.
I will update my terminology, thank you.Westcoast where do your carers get this tommyrot that you share here from.
We call them "caregivers" in the West.
Westcoast where do your carers get this tommyrot that you share here from.
We call them "caregivers" in the West.
By the way, Westy, I am literally looking to the other side of the world to find my girl. About women here? Not sure, haven't looked into it farther than to realize it wasn't very interesting. It is not desperation, Westy, it is fascination and adventurousness. You wouldn't understand this as you have never bothered to travel to FSU. Just sit on your cushy chair at a distance and talk like a pseudo pro. Don't bullocks the rest of us who actually have an interest in FSU and its people by accusing of desperation.
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Canada has about 35 million people, half are women. On the other hand, with the Russian economy in a slump and the economies of Ukraine and the stans in even worse condition there are probably more than a few women looking to the EU and North America for a new life.
By the way, Westy, I am literally looking to the other side of the world to find my girl. About women here? Not sure, haven't looked into it farther than to realize it wasn't very interesting. It is not desperation, Westy, it is fascination and adventurousness. You wouldn't understand this as you have never bothered to travel to FSU. Just sit on your cushy chair at a distance and talk like a pseudo pro. Don't bullocks the rest of us who actually have an interest in FSU and its people by accusing of desperation.
Latvian Defence Minister - Russian snap military drills "very dangerous" to Baltic states
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/136271/
The boots on the other foot now, and the yanks don't like it one bit...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/639176/Russia-fighter-jet-intercept-USA-spy-plane-Black-Sea
The boots on the other foot now, and the yanks don't like it one bit...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/639176/Russia-fighter-jet-intercept-USA-spy-plane-Black-Sea
Odd how Russia is "aggressive" when the Black Sea is nowhere near the US. It is quite correct to intercept a US spy plane that was near Russia. Gotta show the Yanks where the boundaries lie, as we know they are not too hot at navigation as they manage to bomb so many hospitals.
Odd how Russia is "aggressive" when the Black Sea is nowhere near the US. It is quite correct to intercept a US spy plane that was near Russia. Gotta show the Yanks where the boundaries lie, as we know they are not too hot at navigation as they manage to bomb so many hospitals.
Odd how Russia is "aggressive" when the Black Sea is nowhere near the US. It is quite correct to intercept a US spy plane that was near Russia. Gotta show the Yanks where the boundaries lie, as we know they are not too hot at navigation as they manage to bomb so many hospitals.
Oh dear - is that why my post re HRW pointing out the Russians had killed many civilians never saw the light of day ?
Let's be honest here .. the best targeting in the world - is as reliable as the guy who lights up the target... :coffeeread:
The boots on the other foot now, and the yanks don't like it one bit...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/639176/Russia-fighter-jet-intercept-USA-spy-plane-Black-Sea
The 'clue' was in the alleged 'dangerous, unprofessional' intercept... I haven't seen Russian tv reporting their Bears get rocked by the RAF ...
Odd how Russia is "aggressive" when the Black Sea is nowhere near the US. It is quite correct to intercept a US spy plane that was near Russia. Gotta show the Yanks where the boundaries lie, as we know they are not too hot at navigation as they manage to bomb so many hospitals.
..and Russia hasn't bombed any civilian targets in Syria :coffeeread: ?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/20/russia/syria-extensive-recent-use-cluster-munitions (https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/20/russia/syria-extensive-recent-use-cluster-munitions)
Just keeping wrongs in perspective..
Do you have any REAL evidence of this.
I only posted the HRW link..I could have used A.I's..Amnesty International.. Are you seriously suggesting it isn't true?! ...If you read the reports from Donbas..do you get the feeling they go 'easy' on Kiev forces ?...And, if it does happen, its TOUGH, because, there is a distinct possibility that these civilians will shoot you in the back if they could, they are all cut from the same cloth.
But, a conscious objector like you would always argue different.
Did ou tead the whole article...?
Their is the distinct possibility they were the poorest of poor...possibly unable to escape...or having elderly relations and their mistake was living in an area that did not support Assad.
I object to nations taking sides with dictaors to protect their interests... but Russia is not alone in this.
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Do you have any REAL evidence of this.
I only posted the HRW link..I could have used A.I's..Amnesty International.. Are you seriously suggesting it isn't true?! ...If you read the reports from Donbas..do you get the feeling they go 'easy' on Kiev forces ?...And, if it does happen, its TOUGH, because, there is a distinct possibility that these civilians will shoot you in the back if they could, they are all cut from the same cloth.
But, a conscious objector like you would always argue different.
Did ou tead the whole article...?
Their is the distinct possibility they were the poorest of poor...possibly unable to escape...or having elderly relations and their mistake was living in an area that did not support Assad.
I object to nations taking sides with dictaors to protect their interests... but Russia is not alone in this.
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All Western press go easy on Ukraine, especially AI, OSCE and HSW, they have to on orders from the USA.
Glad that you object to nations siding with Dictators, you were obviously thinking about the USA siding with Turkey & KSA.
All Western press go easy on Ukraine, especially AI, OSCE and HSW, they have to on orders from the USA.
Glad that you object to nations siding with Dictators, you were obviously thinking about the USA siding with Turkey & KSA.
All Western press go easy on Ukraine, especially AI, OSCE and HSW, they have to on orders from the USA.
Nice attempt at deflection...
Remember this was Manny's fault for bringing up the US howler..... At least they have acknowledged the error......
So, you think AI and HRW are the 'press' and give the US or western govts. less grief?!! ....
Clearly you were in selective mode if you've ever read their reports in Donbas or the use of cluster bombs..not just in Syria..
..but Georgia...by BOTH the Kremlin ang Georgian forces.... it was confirmed in the EU report..
Your objectivity radar appears to be need recalibrating...
Glad that you object to nations siding with Dictators, you were obviously thinking about the USA siding with Turkey & KSA.
I wasn't aware Erdogan had come to power without a vote..
I was thinking about any nation supporting dictators and ignoring their HR records...
Still deflecting from the Russians bombing civilians and using these horrible weapons..
The Nato forces bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and the Balkans, all used, not only cluster bombs, but projectiles manufactured from depleted uranium, and the still do use them,.
Pls check what happened in 2008..who signed a treaty NEVER to use such weapons..
Russia did not..using them in Georgia... for which they and the Georgians were criticised... They are notoriously inaccurate.
The USA is another notable absentee signatory.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions)Are you saying that Nato can use what it likes, but Russia cannot.
My argument is that anything that takes out these raghead terrorists is OK.
Except your ' terrorists' are seeking self determination and freedom from a dictator and this is more about Russian interests..by helping said Dictator.I understand that AI, HRW, OSCE are not the press, and that the wording of my statement did not come over as intended, however, it does not detract from these organisations reports which are mostly western biased, Ukrainian biased, in all reports concerning Russia.
Examples?.. This is your opinion and I am ready to make a whole thread on this and perhaps this 'bias' bollox can be put to bed.
Erdogan was elected, BUT he is probably one of the biggest dictators in the ME, next to KSA, they are both well supported by western countries and Nato, to mention a few, just take a look at their human rights records if you dare.
I missed when I ever stated I was a fan of Erdiogan ... and he uses methods that ensure TR cannot join the EU.
We are duscussing why we get threads ...correctly dissing the US..but the response is deflect and not agree the Kremlin are simply protecting Assad..using hotrible, inaccurate weapons.
Btw, pray tell what banned weapon the Northern Irish Hun used against the British Forces..
I suspect you are STILL trying to deflect, but if you could be a little more clear as to who the 'NI hun' are / were and the weapons you are teferring to...
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Apparently if Russia invaded the Baltic states they would slaughter Nato..
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-started-war-baltics-nato-123950130.html
Why on Earth Would Russia Attack the Baltics?
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-earth-would-russia-attack-baltics/ri12707
Here's a thought for those who have yet to start thinking (FEELZ don't count!)
Russia is the largest country in the world, by far. The population of that largest country is around 140,000,000. The country is probably the richest in terms of natural resources, both developed and undeveloped.
If Russia were to try to invade the world what benefit would accrue to the country and its people? Go on, try it, frame an objective answer!
How would Russia support an invasion of the world with such a tiny population? Go on try it, frame an objective answer!
What do you think would happen in the underpopulated Asian east while the European west was busy invading the world? Go on, try it, frame an objective answer!
The reality is that there's no reason, good, or otherwise, for Russia to go invading anywhere. They didn't in Donbas, notwithstanding all the claims and fantasies of the past year or so. They didn't in Crimea, notwithstanding the ongoing lies about that situation.
Russia does not have either the need or the resources to take such actions. But there's lots of reasons to persuade those who prefer FEELZ to thinking that the opposite is true - careers and fortunes are based upon the premise.
He has maybe found somebody to buy him a beer. Don't worry, he will be right along.
Why does the US and NATO want war with Russia.
Why does the US and NATO want war with Russia.
I don't believe that the US wants a war with Russia, but they are trying (quiet successfully) to frighten other associated NATO countries to up their investment in US defence industry manufactured products.
Without such markets, the US defence industry would tank, and with it the economy and the currency..
Why does the US and NATO want war with Russia.
I don't believe that the US wants a war with Russia, but they are trying (quiet successfully) to frighten other associated NATO countries to up their investment in US defence industry manufactured products.
Without such markets, the US defence industry would tank, and with it the economy and the currency..
They seem to be pushing Russia in that direction. The problem with this approach is that you do not know you have pushed too much until you fine yourself in a war you did not want.
We need to remember that the United States, even its government, is not a single force, with a single goal, interests or strategies. I am absolutely certain that Gipsy is correct, in so far as it represents the goal, interests and strategy of a single power group within the US power structure. Also, I am sure that people within this group and others find common cause with others in respect of parts of each others goals.Why does the US and NATO want war with Russia.
I don't believe that the US wants a war with Russia, but they are trying (quiet successfully) to frighten other associated NATO countries to up their investment in US defence industry manufactured products.
Without such markets, the US defence industry would tank, and with it the economy and the currency..
Russia vows response to NATO plan in Poland and Baltics
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/russia-hit-nato-east-europe-expansion-plan-160504175351330.html
Russia vows response to NATO plan in Poland and Baltics
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/russia-hit-nato-east-europe-expansion-plan-160504175351330.html
Does the West really want a war with Russia?
Russia vows response to NATO plan in Poland and Baltics
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/russia-hit-nato-east-europe-expansion-plan-160504175351330.html
Does the West really want a war with Russia?
Avhdb, maths not needed matey.
What you probably don't know, judging from your post above, is that the Russian Federation is in the process of reorganisation of its entire military structure. Moving from the formerly used echelon structure, a relic of Soviet times still visible and confusing USAians in Poland and Ukraine, toward a functional, regional structure. This means that former 'empty divisions' are being re-manned. I have discussed this on this very forum in the past. These new divisions are new to you because you don't know much. They are new to most USAians because they don't know very much, but they are not new to the Russian Military who have been working on them for some time. What the Russian Federation has done is reminded NATO that their planning should not be based upon their former understanding of the outmoded echelon structure. The Russians have simply moved manpower to where materiel was already being stored. Remember that during Soviet times the western Russian border was a rear echelon position. The front echelons were in Galicia in Ukraine and East Germany.
Cost is therefore not the issue. The program was already underway. The Russian government has merely signposted it for those who, like you, were unaware.
And the RAF planes will have had transponders off as is SOP - just as the Russian planes usually do.
I wonder if anyone looked at a map before writing the word 'toward' - probably yes, but decided the misleading and dishonest word choice was the way to go.
It is impossible for operational reasons for US/UK or RF warplanes to always fly with their transponders on, so they don't but it is simply dishonest for US/NATO to claim 'hurt' or 'provocation' when their own planes fly without transponders as well.
Jane's is a reputable publication, they sometimes get things wrong but they rarely invent stuff as you suggest they did. Why do you play such silly games AvHdB? Why?
Jane's is a reputable publication, they sometimes get things wrong but they rarely invent stuff as you suggest they did. Why do you play such silly games AvHdB? Why?
Yes Andrew I am confident that there is no publication that is 100% correct, but you have a consistent knack for denying the reality that even if you were bitten you would deny and spin it. You may not like the reality but really life is easier if you do not deny it.
Jane's is a reputable publication, they sometimes get things wrong but they rarely invent stuff as you suggest they did. Why do you play such silly games AvHdB? Why?
Yes Andrew I am confident that there is no publication that is 100% correct, but you have a consistent knack for denying the reality that even if you were bitten you would deny and spin it. You may not like the reality but really life is easier if you do not deny it.
AvHdB, what do you think I am denying?
Remember, we got here because you did not know about how echelons work or that Russia had been organising its military away from echelons and toward a regional organisation.
Now, please let me know, in order that I might improve myself, how does your lack of knowledge reflect in my 'denial' of some kind of truth, a truth as yet unexplained by you?
I am interested to know how it might be that the lack of a reason for Russia to invade Estonia is a reflection, again, of my denial of some kind of unexplained reality.
But yeah, why not tell us exactly what Russia would get from an invasion of Estonia. Please exclude from your answer any reference to a scenario occurring AFTER a general declaration of war upon the Russian Federation.
You see AvHdB, that's the problem with propaganda swallowers, there's simply no objective reason for Russia to invade Estonia EXCEPT in response to a declaration of war upon the RF. I am as always a willing learner and am happy to hear the news that, I am sure, the Joint Chiefs Of Staff of NATO would also be happy to learn. Here's a chance to make a name for yourself as an original thinker in terms of military strategy and to show the world something that nobody else knows.
Jane's is a reputable publication, they sometimes get things wrong but they rarely invent stuff as you suggest they did. Why do you play such silly games AvHdB? Why?
Yes Andrew I am confident that there is no publication that is 100% correct, but you have a consistent knack for denying the reality that even if you were bitten you would deny and spin it. You may not like the reality but really life is easier if you do not deny it.
AvHdB, what do you think I am denying?
Remember, we got here because you did not know about how echelons work or that Russia had been organising its military away from echelons and toward a regional organisation.
Now, please let me know, in order that I might improve myself, how does your lack of knowledge reflect in my 'denial' of some kind of truth, a truth as yet unexplained by you?
I am interested to know how it might be that the lack of a reason for Russia to invade Estonia is a reflection, again, of my denial of some kind of unexplained reality.
But yeah, why not tell us exactly what Russia would get from an invasion of Estonia. Please exclude from your answer any reference to a scenario occurring AFTER a general declaration of war upon the Russian Federation.
You see AvHdB, that's the problem with propaganda swallowers, there's simply no objective reason for Russia to invade Estonia EXCEPT in response to a declaration of war upon the RF. I am as always a willing learner and am happy to hear the news that, I am sure, the Joint Chiefs Of Staff of NATO would also be happy to learn. Here's a chance to make a name for yourself as an original thinker in terms of military strategy and to show the world something that nobody else knows.
Andrew you really are a bit like the puppy dog that keeps picking up the thrown stick, you will not leave it alone. If you think you live in a world of denial that is fine and dandy. And no I do not have to prove anything most of all to you so please try to get a life, beyond RUA.
RAF Typhoons confront FIVE Russian war planes threatening Estonian airspace in latest show of aggression
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/raf-typhoons-confront-five-russian-7992033
Russian TV speaks in the same tone when NATO ships exercise in the Black Sea ....So either they are both right, or they are both wrong, which is it.
the current leadership in Russia has encouraged and been complicit in insurrection in neighbouring territories.
No reason to doubt the story.
Of course it is meaningless for two reasons:
1) There's no reason why, except in the case of an attack upon the RF, that Russia would have any reason to invade Estonia.
2) There's no way that NATO has the capacity to defend Estonia against attack.
However, such a deployment would guarantee shedloads of extra money into the Estonian government's coffers and I'd find my chosen leisure facilities rather more full with overweight, middle aged European men with short haircuts - and the prostitutes will all set their prices to reflect the Per Diems of career officers.
Wonder how long before bomb shelters will become a must have necessity? :chuckle:
Baltic States Need Patriot Missile Defense Systems – Estonian Army General
http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160527/1040323847/baltic-states-patriot-missile-defense.html
So, the takeaway from your words AvHdB is that, again, I was right. You, yet again, had no factual basis for your outburst.
An opinion without facts to support it is worthless, ranting your objections by ascribing your shortcomings to me is a waste of your time. You may be 'distracted' from time to time by the fermented juice of the grape but you ain't that dim that you can't create an argument from facts that you learn.
So how does it feel, to be outsmarted by an untrained puppy dog?So, the takeaway from your words AvHdB is that, again, I was right. You, yet again, had no factual basis for your outburst.
An opinion without facts to support it is worthless, ranting your objections by ascribing your shortcomings to me is a waste of your time. You may be 'distracted' from time to time by the fermented juice of the grape but you ain't that dim that you can't create an argument from facts that you learn.
No Andrew, you are an untrained puppy dog.
So how does it feel, to be outsmarted by an untrained puppy dog?So, the takeaway from your words AvHdB is that, again, I was right. You, yet again, had no factual basis for your outburst.
An opinion without facts to support it is worthless, ranting your objections by ascribing your shortcomings to me is a waste of your time. You may be 'distracted' from time to time by the fermented juice of the grape but you ain't that dim that you can't create an argument from facts that you learn.
No Andrew, you are an untrained puppy dog.
So how does it feel, to be outsmarted by an untrained puppy dog?So, the takeaway from your words AvHdB is that, again, I was right. You, yet again, had no factual basis for your outburst.
An opinion without facts to support it is worthless, ranting your objections by ascribing your shortcomings to me is a waste of your time. You may be 'distracted' from time to time by the fermented juice of the grape but you ain't that dim that you can't create an argument from facts that you learn.
No Andrew, you are an untrained puppy dog.
You are from where I'm sitting. Andrew is making valid points, and if you counter them and then call names, fine. But you don't counter his points, all you do is insulting someone. Therefore to me Andrew has won this argument from you and you are just a mean man that can't stop insulting people, even after you've lost the argument.So how does it feel, to be outsmarted by an untrained puppy dog?So, the takeaway from your words AvHdB is that, again, I was right. You, yet again, had no factual basis for your outburst.
An opinion without facts to support it is worthless, ranting your objections by ascribing your shortcomings to me is a waste of your time. You may be 'distracted' from time to time by the fermented juice of the grape but you ain't that dim that you can't create an argument from facts that you learn.
No Andrew, you are an untrained puppy dog.
I am not the one shittin and brain fartin all around.
Curious though when is some going to take Fifi to training?
If you talk about Russia,as if they are an enemy, then expect them to take their business elsewhere.
Russia to Stop Exporting Oil Through Foreign Baltic Ports
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-stop-exporting-oil-through-foreign-baltic-ports/ri16465
What on earth do you mean by 'too much production'? If one can sell everything one makes, of anything, at a profit greater than the hurdle rate then one can not produce too much of any good. If one can reduce production and make the same, or more profit from an increased price then that is even better -
Been inventing stuff again?
A for the use of ports in the Baltic states: the move away from using the Baltics as transit for oil has been in progress for years. The Russians have been building port capacity for oil transshipment from Saint Petersburg for a long time. There had been a policy choice though to support the Baltics to some degree, that was always going to come to an end at some point. In truth the change could probably be made almost immediately, subject to constraints imposed by contractual arrangements. The Russian port authorities are probably being a tad conservative and there's no shortage of shipping.
Rail shipments of oil across Estonia have fallen considerably and are unlikely to be replaced. It isn't that the oil is not being sold, far from it, Russian oil output is at record levels and so are sales, but that the supply routes are being reconfigured and the rail change has come about due to considerations imposed by the reaction to Ukrainian silliness.
You should read again and quote the whole article. They have a surplus shipping capacity in St. Pete, and want to use that instead of the Baltics, they are also expanding St. Pete's capacity even more, so that the Baltics-route will be completely closed.
"Last year, around 9 million tonnes were shipped through the Baltic ports, while this year the figure was 5 million tonne,” Tokarev told Putin, according to the meeting’s official transcript on the Kremlin’s website. "By 2018, we will reduce this flow to the Baltic ports to zero and will direct it to our ports instead, as we have surplus capacity.”
“Good,” Putin replied."[/i]
'Russia WILL invade Lithuania' Leaders tell people to prepare for guerrilla war on streets
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/726544/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-Lithuania-war-citizens-briefed-strikes
'Russia WILL invade Lithuania' Leaders tell people to prepare for guerrilla war on streets
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/726544/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-Lithuania-war-citizens-briefed-strikes
sounds like unsubstantiated paranoia.
'Russia WILL invade Lithuania' Leaders tell people to prepare for guerrilla war on streets
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/726544/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-Lithuania-war-citizens-briefed-strikes
The government-issued guide explains that Lithuanians should carry condoms, energy bars and wet wipes with them at all times in case they find themselves hiding in a forest.
Quote from: daft article
The government-issued guide explains that Lithuanians should carry condoms, energy bars and wet wipes with them at all times in case they find themselves hiding in a forest.
Coz when the Russians have invaded, your first thought is safe sex in a forest. :ROFL:
This seems to be your way of legitimizing your opinion for just about every situation. And you seem to know someone whom (I guess) is an authority on the subject (e.g. I know a person whom, I know a chef (:), I know a Muslim, I know a journalist, etc.)Quote from: daft article
The government-issued guide explains that Lithuanians should carry condoms, energy bars and wet wipes with them at all times in case they find themselves hiding in a forest.
Coz when the Russians have invaded, your first thought is safe sex in a forest. :ROFL:
Historically, the victors have indulged in domination sexual acts - though whether they'd be persuaded to wear a jonny is another thing..
*snip*
Lithuania gave ethnic Russians full national passports and have not been as 'negative' - the percentage being nearly 4 times less
I know several Russian speaking Lithuanians and they are far less tied to the Rodina than those in Latvia and Estonia..
The moderation team kindly removed irrelevant and off topic comment from this post for me.
And I always get a kick out of people who say they know "several", when in reality, it's maybe 1 or 2.
Like I've said before, Moby's only here to argue and fall out with people. He's disagreeable with the general population on absolutely every subject.
It's quite obvious what the problem is.
This seems to be your way of legitimizing your opinion for just about every situation. And you seem to know someone whom (I guess) is an authority on the subject (e.g. I know a person whom, I know a chef (:), I know a Muslim, I know a journalist, etc.)Quote from: daft article
The government-issued guide explains that Lithuanians should carry condoms, energy bars and wet wipes with them at all times in case they find themselves hiding in a forest.
Coz when the Russians have invaded, your first thought is safe sex in a forest. :ROFL:
Historically, the victors have indulged in domination sexual acts - though whether they'd be persuaded to wear a jonny is another thing..
*snip*
Lithuania gave ethnic Russians full national passports and have not been as 'negative' - the percentage being nearly 4 times less
I know several Russian speaking Lithuanians and they are far less tied to the Rodina than those in Latvia and Estonia..
The moderation team kindly removed irrelevant and off topic comment from this post for me.
Really, you should stop adding these little "snips' because they, in all honesty, mean nothing, and do NOT legitimize a thing.
And I always get a kick out of people who say they know "several", when in reality, it's maybe 1 or 2.
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
I already know that "grandmother" is babushka in Russian. No, it is not propaganda, I have been there, gotten off an airplane and tried to cue through passport control. Russian and Ukrainians are a$$holes when it comes to waiting in line, they don't know how to do it or refuse to do it. It is very much a dog eat dog society. Same thing happens even when waiting in line to pay for food at a cafe, some a$$hole will try to come along and pass you even though you are next in line to pay. In the USA it is the opposite problem. Everyone is often too polite and lines move to slowly.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like
'Right thinking people' like Georgians Ukrainians - those of the Baltic States Chechens who never agreed to be part of the RF - who were indiscriminately flattened ...?
Russians were sent to such places as a punishment -
Manny was shocked that the Russian Prosecutor General's Office would spend time investigating the legality of the Baltic States ceding the then USSR in '89 ..WHY feel the need to do such things - unless you might suggest the nations 'never left' and are therefore part of Russia ..?
Most of the indigenous peoples regard the USSR as having occupied and regard Moscow as a threat ....
Moscow pushes for the rights of folks who were born in the Baltic States and want their kids to be taught in Russian...
Right thinking people - to me - understand the mistrust on both sides and do not seek to suggest t'other side is 'wrong'
You need to visit some more of these places and see the perspectives from both sides ...
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
I already know that "grandmother" is babushka in Russian. No, it is not propaganda, I have been there, gotten off an airplane and tried to cue through passport control. Russian and Ukrainians are a$$holes when it comes to waiting in line, they don't know how to do it or refuse to do it. It is very much a dog eat dog society. Same thing happens even when waiting in line to pay for food at a cafe, some a$$hole will try to come along and pass you even though you are next in line to pay. In the USA it is the opposite problem. Everyone is often too polite and lines move to slowly.
Amazingly, the capitals of all three Baltic states or Kiev were never "flattened". (:)
TBF though Russians are amongst the most disrespected nationalities in the world,
What more than Yanks? I doubt it. I put it to you that only fuzzy-thinking leftists, those who believe the made up tosh in the MSM and the odd transplanted FSU satellite occupant (that always seem to be angry) think so.
Right-thinking people tend to see a country that has to react (and tends to do so calmly) to constant provocation and the hidden agendas of other aggressive nations like the US.
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
I already know that "grandmother" is babushka in Russian. No, it is not propaganda, I have been there, gotten off an airplane and tried to cue through passport control. Russian and Ukrainians are a$$holes when it comes to waiting in line, they don't know how to do it or refuse to do it. It is very much a dog eat dog society. Same thing happens even when waiting in line to pay for food at a cafe, some a$$hole will try to come along and pass you even though you are next in line to pay. In the USA it is the opposite problem. Everyone is often too polite and lines move to slowly.
Obviously you are a vertically challenged person, my post flew right over your head.... ;D
Amazingly, the capitals of all three Baltic states or Kiev were never "flattened". (:)
In fact the Kiev city suffered heavily during the 2nd World War,
Babushka = Grandmother..
That is exactly what the MSM wish you to think..
Its all propaganda, films made up expertly by US/EU specialist film crews, actors and stunt persons..
Quite differently from reality really..
:laugh:
Perhaps our Gypo doesn't use Public transport ... IF he did he would realise that forming a line ' queuing' is a joke ... Most Babuskas don't get a look in in a crush - but I see plenty of kind folk give up seats for the elderly, too..
As for drivers - if Gypo wants us to believe he knows about life in Russia - being in denial about driving stds is not going to help his case
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
Yes, you're my hero.
And I always get a kick out of people who say they know "several", when in reality, it's maybe 1 or 2.
'Yes',..it never bothers me when folks THINK they know better about my life / who I know . For example - I know five Lithuanians [who consider themselves ethnically Russian] - in Manchester UK - alone.. I lived with a Latvian Russia in CY - helping her - and several relatives - to travel freely in Europe. The figure for Baltic State folks I have met and still keep in contact with is certainly more than 1 or 2 and closer to 20 ...
The moderation team kindly removed irrelevant and off topic comment from this post for me.
Have you ever driven in America, or maybe you know serveral Americans, therefore you are an expert :)? You know, places like LA, Boston, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, etc..
But in all fairness it is the opposite in Russia: waiting in line? everybody and their grandmother, especially the babushka's will try to go around you, no matter that your're clearly in line. Same goes for attempting to drive anywhere, just look at videos of russian drivers being maniacs and causing crashes.
:)) only a 'russiophobe' would dare post such a thing ! Many Russian drivers are incredibly discourteous and aggressive - lacking in lane discipline and sit on your arse... hence the insurance premiums are higher :(
Ahhh, I'm from Netherlands. Thats why you always seem short to me :chuckle:
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
?? Gypo - you claim to 'know' me - so how come you are so 'accurate' about my height - which is - according to my recent medical - 2cm less than the average height of tallest men in the world - NL ... :chuckle:
Further evidence that our Gypo notes what he wants to read / see :coffeeread:
Ahhh, I'm from Netherlands. Thats why you always seem short to me :chuckle:
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
?? Gypo - you claim to 'know' me - so how come you are so 'accurate' about my height - which is - according to my recent medical - 2cm less than the average height of tallest men in the world - NL ... :chuckle:
Further evidence that our Gypo notes what he wants to read / see :coffeeread:
Ahhh, I'm from Netherlands. Thats why you always seem short to me :chuckle:
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
?? Gypo - you claim to 'know' me - so how come you are so 'accurate' about my height - which is - according to my recent medical - 2cm less than the average height of tallest men in the world - NL ... :chuckle:
Further evidence that our Gypo notes what he wants to read / see :coffeeread:
Ahhh, I'm from Netherlands. Thats why you always seem short to me :chuckle:
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
?? Gypo - you claim to 'know' me - so how come you are so 'accurate' about my height - which is - according to my recent medical - 2cm less than the average height of tallest men in the world - NL ... :chuckle:
Further evidence that our Gypo notes what he wants to read / see :coffeeread:
Moby's self defensive comments regarding his 5ft 10inch tall, vertically challenged mind-set is noted. :coffeeread:
The "sarcasm" in my post really did fly over his head. ;D
Ahhh, I'm from Netherlands. Thats why you always seem short to me :chuckle:
It is noted that you are also vertically challenged.. :coffeeread:
?? Gypo - you claim to 'know' me - so how come you are so 'accurate' about my height - which is - according to my recent medical - 2cm less than the average height of tallest men in the world - NL ... :chuckle:
Further evidence that our Gypo notes what he wants to read / see :coffeeread:
Moby's self defensive comments regarding his 5ft 10inch tall, vertically challenged mind-set is noted. :coffeeread:
The "sarcasm" in my post really did fly over his head. ;D
I'm pretty sure you were talking about the "height" of ones IQ and not physical height, yes? :)
The UN classifies Estonia as a Northern European country
http://estonianworld.com/life/un-reclassifies-estonia-northern-european-country/
The UN classifies Estonia as a Northern European country
http://estonianworld.com/life/un-reclassifies-estonia-northern-european-country/
Estonia is mostly pretending to be part of Scandinavia recently.
Estonia has spent the last 15 years pretending Russia doesn't exist and recently mostly pretending to be part of Scandinavia.
Estonia is now EU. The more affluent of the three Baltic states. Lately, they are pretending to be part of Scandinavia. What they did to achieve this was to treble the price of everything but keep Russian service levels, while still expecting a tip. :chuckle:
From the open-door department. Russia has always been capable of that ,close to their border. Just like any country, with normal military.
Russian forces capable of short-notice strike in Baltics, assessment says
https://www.stripes.com/news/russian-forces-capable-of-short-notice-strike-in-baltics-assessment-says-1.462036#.WObFiqNOnJt
Kinda wondering what's the point of this article? Russia is moving a sub from point A to point B, by doing so Putin is flexing his muscle?
Russia to send the world's largest submarine to the Baltic
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4387084/Russia-send-world-s-largest-submarine-Baltic.html
FACT: Eastern Europeans so 'Worried' About Russia That They Spend Next to Nothing on Defense
http://russia-insider.com/en/if-eastern-europeans-are-so-worried-about-russia-how-come-they-are-spending-next-nothing-defense
Riga Mayor Nils Ushakovs, a former journalist and ethnic Russian who was fined by Latvia’s language watchdog for posting comments on his personal Facebook page in Russian – his native language.
The UN classifies Estonia as a Northern European country
http://estonianworld.com/life/un-reclassifies-estonia-northern-european-country/
The UN classifies Estonia as a Northern European country
http://estonianworld.com/life/un-reclassifies-estonia-northern-european-country/
They are part of Northern Europe
Tallinn latitude is 59.4370° N
Stockholm is 59.3293° N
That's was North back when I went to school. :nod:
The UN classifies Estonia as a Northern European country
http://estonianworld.com/life/un-reclassifies-estonia-northern-european-country/
They are part of Northern Europe
Tallinn latitude is 59.4370° N
Stockholm is 59.3293° N
That's was North back when I went to school. :nod:
I like latitude and longitude. For some it is confusing
Latitude is how far north and south something is. Longitude is how far east to west something is.
So the higher the number in latitude the more north. The equator divides the Earth into North and Southern hemisphere
London, UK is 51°
Sydney, Australia is 33°
New York City is 40° just about the same as Madrid.
Helsinki is 60°
The last two numbers are so-called minutes and seconds which one needs for (marine) navigation. The basic system goes back to ancient Greece.
From the article:QuoteRiga Mayor Nils Ushakovs, a former journalist and ethnic Russian who was fined by Latvia’s language watchdog for posting comments on his personal Facebook page in Russian – his native language.
That's *really* embracing the spirit of the EU. You can speak Urdu with no fines, but not Russian.
Baltic states push US on Patriot missile defense deployment
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/baltic-states-push-us-on-patriot-missile-defense-deployment
What imaginary aggression are you referring to?
I don't recall Narva being overrun and there are no Russian missile craft on Lake Peipsi.
El Guero, falling victim to mass hypnosis does not make the hypnosis more real. There is no rational reason for Russia to invade Estonia, absent acts from outside Russia which make such action necessary.
Placing weapons designed to attack Russia close to Russian borders is the type of act that could result in Russia needing to neutralise those forces. At that point a war will have started but it would not have been Russia that started it.
Here's an easier way to think about it. One that even a hypnotised person can probably grasp because it does not relate directly to the issue about which you are hypnotised: if you want to use a car to drive on vacation. Given that you have the money to do so, does it make more sense to rent the car or to steal it? If you rent the car then everybody is happy. You go on vacation with no consequences. If you steal the car then everyone is against you. When caught with the car your vacation will end, you might - go to prison, your friends and family might turn against you.
The cost of taking the car car is higher than paying for it. Stealing makes no sense.
That's the situation with the mass hypnosis about Russia. It is cheaper and easier for Russia to pay for what it needs than to take it.
Over the past month the media predicted Russia was going to use the war games to overtake Belarus, then the Baltic states.
This was total rubbish so I never posted any links.
Now that the military training is completed, there has been no retraction, or any articles correcting to lies that were passed off as news reports. If Russia had followed thru with every invasion they have been accused of planning, Russia would be even larger than the former Soviet union.
Russia begins troop withdrawal from Belarus after end of Zapad 2017 drills – MoD
https://www.rt.com/news/404001-russia-withdrawal-zapad-drills/
The Russian military must be much larger than previously thought.
Troops in Syria, Ukraine Belarus. There's supposedly large military presence near the north Korean border. Russia is said to have a buildup in the Artic. We have countless submarine sightings some equipped with the ability to cut communication cables.
It's amazing how Russia is capable of threatening such a vast area, and spend so little compared to the United states.
VLAD’S INVASION PLAN?
Fears Russia is plotting to invade Baltic states after Putin leaves thousands of troops behind in Belarus after war games, despite promising Nato he wouldn’t
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4581107/fears-russia-plotting-invasion-baltic-nato/
Texan, prior to the military training in Belarus, estimations of up to 100,000 Russian troops could take part.
This dose not include Russian troops reportedly in drills in many other locations.
Here's what we know about the reported 100,000 Russian troops going to NATO's borders
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-we-know-about-the-100000-russians-going-to-natos-borders-2017-8
Texan, prior to the military training in Belarus, estimations of up to 100,000 Russian troops could take part.
This dose not include Russian troops reportedly in drills in many other locations.
Here's what we know about the reported 100,000 Russian troops going to NATO's borders
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-we-know-about-the-100000-russians-going-to-natos-borders-2017-8
The article said 60 to 100,000 in western Russia and Belarus not just in Belarus. Notice you are always using the largest possible number that the article said was possible. What I read but I do not have the article was they use troops all across Russia to practice fast deployment of troops. Remember there was a time Russia had 70,000 troops on the border with the Ukraine and most of the time Russia keeps ten of thousand troops near the NATO boarder as defense. So in games that was likely an increase. Putin has the number of troops to do it if he wants to. Russia has a very large land mass and they want to be able to redeploy troops any where in the country where they are needed. My reading they used this exercise for that practice using far more troops than what they let NATO believe they would be using because Russia only counted the troops in Belarus when it was a much larger over all exercise. Then you find some crazy of the wall article and go crazy over it as if all western media was reporting this. What is really happening is most of the people in the USA has totally missed the story as this is not been very reported and not of much interest to most USAians who for now seem to be focus on North Korea.
Texan, prior to the military training in Belarus, estimations of up to 100,000 Russian troops could take part.
This dose not include Russian troops reportedly in drills in many other locations.
Here's what we know about the reported 100,000 Russian troops going to NATO's borders
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-we-know-about-the-100000-russians-going-to-natos-borders-2017-8
The article said 60 to 100,000 in western Russia and Belarus not just in Belarus. Notice you are always using the largest possible number that the article said was possible. What I read but I do not have the article was they use troops all across Russia to practice fast deployment of troops. Remember there was a time Russia had 70,000 troops on the border with the Ukraine and most of the time Russia keeps ten of thousand troops near the NATO boarder as defense. So in games that was likely an increase. Putin has the number of troops to do it if he wants to. Russia has a very large land mass and they want to be able to redeploy troops any where in the country where they are needed. My reading they used this exercise for that practice using far more troops than what they let NATO believe they would be using because Russia only counted the troops in Belarus when it was a much larger over all exercise. Then you find some crazy of the wall article and go crazy over it as if all western media was reporting this. What is really happening is most of the people in the USA has totally missed the story as this is not been very reported and not of much interest to most USAians who for now seem to be focus on North Korea.
Texan, the article posted is typical western propaganda, Russia had maybe around 5000+ troops in Belarus.
Point is western media seldom gives an accurate account of Russia.
There's one common theme that can be found in many of these articles, that being the Ukrainian sources so often quoted.Some think the Russian media is filled with propaganda and inaccurate news, but it is much closer to the truth than anything from the western media.
Well, *I* watched the BBC programme and it dealt with Estonia's 'fears' following escalations and subsequent well-equipped troops from somewhere ending up in Georgia / Ukraine.
The BBC incorrectly* referred to Russia's invasion of Ukraine
Showed media articles in Russian media - describing the 'acts' of German troops in Estonia - that hadn't arrived, yet
It portrayed the balance that any troops stationed there had to ensure they weren't acting provocatively and showed the protests of eth.Russians who didn't want NATO there.
For sure, it was more from the Estonian perspective of having been occupied by Moscow for 50 plus years.
* A kind correction by a passing moderator who approved this post.