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Title: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
The USA has sent 12 F15 Eagles to Iceland along with 350 support troops.  The USA had a base on Iceland during the cold war but closed it in 2006.  Since it looks like we have a new cold war brewing the USA has decided to support Iceland who does not have a military.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/us-f15s-deployed-to-iceland/38835316
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2016, 05:12:39 AM
The USA has sent 12 F15 Eagles to Iceland along with 350 support troops.  The USA had a base on Iceland during the cold war but closed it in 2006.  Since it looks like we have a new cold war brewing the USA has decided to support Iceland who does not have a military.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/us-f15s-deployed-to-iceland/38835316

 :laugh:  They need to get their stupid asses off there.. If I was living in Iceland I would spend my weekends going around giving those yanks hell!! I expect plenty would join me... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: rosco on April 03, 2016, 06:03:51 AM
The USA has sent 12 F15 Eagles to Iceland along with 350 support troops.  The USA had a base on Iceland during the cold war but closed it in 2006.  Since it looks like we have a new cold war brewing the USA has decided to support Iceland who does not have a military.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/us-f15s-deployed-to-iceland/38835316

 :laugh:  They need to get their stupid asses off there.. If I was living in Iceland I would spend my weekends going around giving those yanks hell!! I expect plenty would join me... :thumbsup:

Only an American would think that Iceland needs/wants defending. Ant, if you knew anything about the culture & political opinion in Iceland, you'd be embarrassed by your post. This is for the US and nobody else.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2016, 06:18:00 AM
I always thought every country needs to be defended by the US... :ROFL: :ROFL:

Oh dear oh dear... :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Tom Cat on April 03, 2016, 06:37:12 AM
Didn't Russia bail out Iceland a few years ago?
If so it's a hell of a way to show gratitude.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: leslied on April 03, 2016, 07:21:03 AM
USA has to find some place to store these decrepit 1970's designed warplanes.  Iceland or the Nevada desert?

Besides they have an operational range of <2000 KM  No threat whatsoever to Russia...
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 08:54:47 AM
USA has to find some place to store these decrepit 1970's designed warplanes.  Iceland or the Nevada desert?

Besides they have an operational range of <2000 KM  No threat whatsoever to Russia...

They are not there to threaten Russia.  They are there to prevent Russia from threatening Iceland since Russia has been making unlawful over flights.  They're also being used for training missions in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 09:36:33 AM
The USA has sent 12 F15 Eagles to Iceland along with 350 support troops.  The USA had a base on Iceland during the cold war but closed it in 2006.  Since it looks like we have a new cold war brewing the USA has decided to support Iceland who does not have a military.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/us-f15s-deployed-to-iceland/38835316

The US base in Iceland is leased, and although they closed it some 10 years ago, they continued to honour the lease agreement, they have now decided to re-open the base, much to the disgust and objections of the Icelandic populace, who have openly stated that they do not want US forces on their soil anymore.

The US is NOT interested in what the people say, and are doing exactly as they have always done, imposing their will..
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 09:37:38 AM
USA has to find some place to store these decrepit 1970's designed warplanes.  Iceland or the Nevada desert?

Besides they have an operational range of <2000 KM  No threat whatsoever to Russia...

And can quickly be neutralised if so desired...
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: andrewfi on April 03, 2016, 10:46:32 AM
Ah, thanks for that, I was going to look see if the Icelanders had invited this 'protection'. So, now we know. The US presence is unwanted.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 11:56:58 AM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 12:15:56 PM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm

1, The yanks kept it quiet from the Icelandic populace.
2, They stated that they were only going to up-rate 1 hanger for a P8.
3, They have again imposed themselves onto another country contrary to the populations wishes.

https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/268774/
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: rosco on April 03, 2016, 12:22:58 PM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm

Yea that's right. The US & Iceland are big buddies and politically aligned. Iceland will be delighted that you lot have muscled in on another territory around the globe.

If the Russians had done it, the Whitehouse would be rinsing their knickers.

#brainwashed
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Manny on April 03, 2016, 12:28:51 PM
After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

Pity they don't similarly recognise Crimea.

Actually, scrub that, it doesn't really matter who/what they recognise.

The US does have a history of putting its stuff in places where there is zero threat, and then trumpeting it as a method of deterring "Russian aggression" (that doesn't exist). As we see in the Baltics and eastern Europe.

Its a simple PR stunt to keep the anti-Russian propaganda machine rumbling. McCain will be there next babbling his crap.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 12:32:46 PM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm

Yea that's right. The US & Iceland are big buddies and politically aligned. Iceland will be delighted that you lot have muscled in on another territory around the globe.


If you bothered to read the original agreement going back to 1951 you would know that we have a right to be there, no muscling needed.  In fact far more of a right than Russia had in Crimea where they had to send in highly armed masked men to steal territory from Ukraine.  That caused a lot of "delight". 

However keep repeating your mantra "USA bad".  Too bad we won't cut you blokes in the UK off from our protection like we should.  Brainwashed indeed.  :fighting0025:
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

Pity they don't similarly recognise Crimea.

Actually, scrub that, it doesn't really matter who/what they recognise.

The US does have a history of putting its stuff in places where there is zero threat, and then trumpeting it as a method of deterring "Russian aggression" (that doesn't exist). As we see in the Baltics and eastern Europe.


If Russian aggression did not exist there never would have been an Iron Curtain.  There would not be hundreds of thousands of dead Chechens from the Russian carpet bombing -- an International War Crime.  There would not be nearly 300K now dead Syrians -- killed by Russian helicopter gunships and other Russian munitions.  Europe would not now be flooded with over a million Muslim refugee's, mostly from Syria.

However Putin's plan to threaten European stability and his hopes to dissolve NATO are going well -- due to the instability Russia created in Syria, and the radical Islamic terrorists they created from the Chechen war.  Bravo!
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Manny on April 03, 2016, 12:44:39 PM
After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

Pity they don't similarly recognise Crimea.

Actually, scrub that, it doesn't really matter who/what they recognise.

The US does have a history of putting its stuff in places where there is zero threat, and then trumpeting it as a method of deterring "Russian aggression" (that doesn't exist). As we see in the Baltics and eastern Europe.


If Russian aggression did not exist there never would have been an Iron Curtain.  There would not be hundreds of thousands of dead Chechens from the Russian carpet bombing -- an International War Crime.  There would not be nearly 300K now dead Syrians -- killed by Russian helicopter gunships and other Russian munitions.  Europe would not now be flooded with over a million Muslim refugee's, mostly from Syria.

However Putin's plan to threaten European stability and his hopes to dissolve NATO are going well -- due to the instability Russia created in Syria, and the radical Islamic terrorists they created from the Chechen war.  Bravo!

I'd have a lie down in a dark room if I were you. That is a classic Moby-syle swerveTM. Probably best served up to some good old boys in the comments section of one of your papers. I doubt anyone here will waste their time correcting you, when you wrote such misleading drivel on purpose. Better you go write that somewhere people will write things like "attaboy" and make whooping noises.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 12:58:31 PM
After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

Pity they don't similarly recognise Crimea.

Actually, scrub that, it doesn't really matter who/what they recognise.

The US does have a history of putting its stuff in places where there is zero threat, and then trumpeting it as a method of deterring "Russian aggression" (that doesn't exist). As we see in the Baltics and eastern Europe.


If Russian aggression did not exist there never would have been an Iron Curtain.  There would not be hundreds of thousands of dead Chechens from the Russian carpet bombing -- an International War Crime.  There would not be nearly 300K now dead Syrians -- killed by Russian helicopter gunships and other Russian munitions.  Europe would not now be flooded with over a million Muslim refugee's, mostly from Syria.

However Putin's plan to threaten European stability and his hopes to dissolve NATO are going well -- due to the instability Russia created in Syria, and the radical Islamic terrorists they created from the Chechen war.  Bravo!

I'd have a lie down in a dark room if I were you. That is a classic Moby-syle swerveTM. Probably best served up to some good old boys in the comments section of one of your papers. I doubt anyone here will waste their time correcting you, when you wrote such misleading drivel in purpose. Better you go write that somewhere people will write things like "attaboy" and make whooping noises.

I'll bet you get quite a few "attaboy's" in Russian, don't you? 

After all you write for RT and whatever other pro Kremlin propaganda news site you can find.

One good turn deserves another.  :-* 
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Markje on April 03, 2016, 02:26:55 PM
They are not there to threaten Russia.  They are there to prevent Russia from threatening Iceland since Russia has been making unlawful over flights.  They're also being used for training missions in the Netherlands.
Netherlands doesn't have training missions on its own soil involving aircraft.
The common people would complain far too much about the noise.

Wish we did though.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: andrewfi on April 03, 2016, 03:06:19 PM
Ant, why do you make stuff up?
You know full well that Russia hasn't been flying over Iceland or into their airspace.

Why tell lies?
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Tom Cat on April 03, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Ant, why do you make stuff up?
You know full well that Russia hasn't been flying over Iceland or into their airspace.

Why tell lies?



The flights might be almost nonexistent, but it did happen.

Also again in 1999  and back in the 70s  :chuckle:

NEWS

Russian Flyby ‘Should be Taken Seriously’

http://icelandreview.com/news/2015/02/20/russian-flyby-should-be-taken-seriously
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: rosco on April 03, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
It's worse than lying. He genuinely believes that US foreign policy is done in the name of democracy, freedom and the greater good. Folks like Ant have been indoctrinated to believe that the world needs the US to survive and without them, we'd all curl up and die.

Historically the US have been good allies and generally speaking, good friends too. Today however, they cause more problems than they solve and it's a liability to be associated with them. A real shame because there's many a good person from the states.

Ant, do you really believe the UK's going to crumble to a Muslim wave of invaders and we'll be abiding by Sharia law without the US? I don't deny that there's many problems for humanity to deal with globally, but you appear to be living in some kind of weird fantasy filled with guns, power, religion and world domination. A worrying concept considering there's a few more like you running for president.

If it were me, I'd happily cut the apron strings with the US. Keep things civil, trade where we can and not be emotionally blackmailed into following you guys into wars we shouldn't start. The US would soon find itself isolated from the world community and instead of bombing you into thinking differently, maybe you can learn diplomatically.

Russia ain't no sweety pie either but I can relate much better with their foreign policy than that of the US. Nothing personal Ant....just the way it is.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Manny on April 03, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
After all you write for RT

I've actually just proposed this ridiculous subject as an op-ed subject. It is ripe for an article.

Rosco above is, as usual, right on the money.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 04:28:26 PM
The US base in Iceland is leased, and although they closed it some 10 years ago, they continued to honour the lease agreement, they have now decided to re-open the base, much to the disgust and objections of the Icelandic populace, who have openly stated that they do not want US forces on their soil anymore.

The US is NOT interested in what the people say, and are doing exactly as they have always done, imposing their will..

Typical of Europeans; they don't want a US military presence, but they'll gladly accept the resulting US dollars into their economy.   :nod:

I always wanted to visit Iceland and soak in the natural hot springs there.  It's on my bucket list. Perhaps we can have our next forum gathering there?
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Steveboy on April 03, 2016, 05:20:56 PM
The US base in Iceland is leased, and although they closed it some 10 years ago, they continued to honour the lease agreement, they have now decided to re-open the base, much to the disgust and objections of the Icelandic populace, who have openly stated that they do not want US forces on their soil anymore.

The US is NOT interested in what the people say, and are doing exactly as they have always done, imposing their will..

Typical of Europeans; they don't want a US military presence, but they'll gladly accept the resulting US dollars into their economy.   :nod:

I always wanted to visit Iceland and soak in the natural hot springs there.  It's on my bucket list. Perhaps we can have our next forum gathering there?

Do you mean forum punch up?  :laugh:
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: SOUTHERN X on April 04, 2016, 12:07:58 AM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm

1, The yanks kept it quiet from the Icelandic populace.
2, They stated that they were only going to up-rate 1 hanger for a P8.
3, They have again imposed themselves onto another country contrary to the populations wishes.

https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/268774/

this site above is full of BS
storys like these are for the sheeple

https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/satanic-paedophilia-network-exposed-in-australia/

anyone who believes their unhinged narrative should seek medical attention or set of to look  for the yeti & loch ness monster asap

SX
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: SOUTHERN X on April 04, 2016, 12:19:42 AM

more brilliance from that website lol

U.K. to Re-establish Military Bases East of Suez*

U.K. to Re-establish Military Bases East of Suez*
https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/u-k-to-re-establish-military-bases-east-of-suez/
another

NATO’s Jihad Operation in Brussels*
https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/natos-jihad-operation-in-brussels/

SX
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Gipsy on April 04, 2016, 01:44:18 AM
Iceland and the USA have a long friendship and mutual respect.  After all, the United States was the first country to recognize Iceland's independence in 1944 following Danish rule.

(so much for the anti-USA propaganda from the usual suspects)


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3396.htm

1, The yanks kept it quiet from the Icelandic populace.
2, They stated that they were only going to up-rate 1 hanger for a P8.
3, They have again imposed themselves onto another country contrary to the populations wishes.

https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/268774/

this site above is full of BS
storys like these are for the sheeple

https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/satanic-paedophilia-network-exposed-in-australia/

anyone who believes their unhinged narrative should seek medical attention or set of to look  for the yeti & loch ness monster asap

SX

Unhinged narrative or not, fact is that what they have written/reported is actually correct, it is supported by many other links to more mainstream media which I could have quoted, this was only the first one which popped up when googled.

The above, which I originally posted is fact, the US decided on their own backs, to re-deploy their military to a country where they are no longer wanted...  AGAIN.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: andrewfi on April 04, 2016, 12:29:04 PM
Tom Cat, worth noting that the event reported in your link was NOT an incursion into Icelandic airspace. I am sure that you are aware of this.

The planes flew into airspace that NATO has decided to monitor, out in the North Sea. In those terms, Russian aircraft would be infringing upon something, somewhere, any time they took off.

I looked and found not one report of any incursion into Icelandic airspace in many years - much as you found.

What was obvious that a story had been put out , a report of a report (ie. a fiction). The wording of the stories in over 30 separate news media was identical and all came out within hours, following wake up times from the USA to Europe.

Notice the weasel words used in the report you linked? Designed so that the readily perplexed people, such as Ant, will think that Russian planes DID fly into Icelandic airspace. The 'reports of reports' worked in the same way.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Steveboy on April 04, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
I would never want any form of US protection! Especially military and actually If I was in the battle field with some US soldiers the first thing I would do is shoot them through the head to be 100% sure they were dead!!!

Why ? Because I wouldn't fancy being killed in US friendly fire  :laugh:

Play safe and forward thinking thats me :smokin:
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
I would never want any form of US protection! Especially military and actually If I was in the battle field with some US soldiers the first thing I would do is shoot them through the head to be 100% sure they were dead!!!

Why ? Because I wouldn't fancy being killed in US friendly fire  :laugh:

Play safe and forward thinking thats me :smokin:

You sure talk a lot of smack.
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Steveboy on April 04, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
I would never want any form of US protection! Especially military and actually If I was in the battle field with some US soldiers the first thing I would do is shoot them through the head to be 100% sure they were dead!!!

Why ? Because I wouldn't fancy being killed in US friendly fire  :laugh:

Play safe and forward thinking thats me :smokin:

You sure talk a lot of smack.

 :smokin:   tiphat
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: SOUTHERN X on April 04, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
subs not flights is the reason for the return
discussions /information , even a visit etc , so iceland was hardly unaware it was happening , despite what might be said for public consumption

http://icelandreview.com/news/2015/09/11/us-military-reopen-base-Iceland

http://grapevine.is/news/2015/09/10/us-military-possibly-returning-to-iceland/

AMERICA has a treaty with iceland since 1951 making it responsible for their defences , this base has been used unoficially since its closure in 2006
this old story gives some background to the closure
intersting to note the UK , is the only invader of iceland lol  :ROFL:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524490/American-pullout-leaves-Iceland-defenceless.html

SX
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: yankee on April 04, 2016, 08:38:59 PM
subs not flights is the reason for the return
discussions /information , even a visit etc , so iceland was hardly unaware it was happening , despite what might be said for public consumption



F15s are for air to air combat not air to ground (or subs)
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: SOUTHERN X on April 04, 2016, 09:14:43 PM
subs not flights is the reason for the return
discussions /information , even a visit etc , so iceland was hardly unaware it was happening , despite what might be said for public consumption



F15s are for air to air combat not air to ground (or subs)
true ,,, that goes without saying  ;D

but the main reason the base is being re activated  would seem to be based around the sub issue, not any  russian flight incursions into sovereign airspace as had been flagged in prior posts

the f15s one would assume is to support the air wing sub hunters
no airforce would deploy large long range sub hunters without air wing fighter support usually

SX
Title: Re: USA sends 12 F-15's to Iceland
Post by: Gipsy on April 04, 2016, 10:45:04 PM
subs not flights is the reason for the return
discussions /information , even a visit etc , so iceland was hardly unaware it was happening , despite what might be said for public consumption



F15s are for air to air combat not air to ground (or subs)
true ,,, that goes without saying  ;D

but the main reason the base is being re activated  would seem to be based around the sub issue, not any  russian flight incursions into sovereign airspace as had been flagged in prior posts

the f15s one would assume is to support the air wing sub hunters
no airforce would deploy large long range sub hunters without air wing fighter support usually

SX

As I wrote, the intention was to put a P8 Poseidon sub hunter on the island (Basically a Boeing 737-700)