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Title: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 02:43:16 AM
I lived on this island for nearly 10 years.

It is divided on ethnic grounds - no thanks to the Brits divide and rule policy - to keep their military bases ( amid calls for independence)  AND Kissinger's interference in '74 - persuading the Greek Junta to try to overthrow the govt of Archbishop Makarios ( 'Commie in a Cassock') and ended up with Turkey moving in ( Peace movement / invasion - depending on your ethnicity)


(http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/cyprus_map.jpg)

I lived in Limassol - on the 'strip' and haven't been there for 10 years

I learnt my 'Russian', there - as much former Soviet apparatchik 'loot' ended up there in the early nineties - during the break up of the USSR. I provided Satellite TV for Brits/ Irish and - later FSU folk

SC has never been there and as our apts were rented out in Sochi - it was the perfect opportunity to look up old friends and see what had changed

Limassol is THE place to live if you need to work -but want to be near the sea. The only downside being the grey sand

As SC and I walked among the eucalyptus trees forming a barrier from the road noise to the beach - every other person spoke Russian rather than being a 'Greek' Cypriot

The menus in restaurants are in Greek, English and Russian  and even shop assistants know Russian - as many are 'Pontian' ( Black Sea ) Greeks who were invited to settle at the time of the break up of the USSR

Then we went over to the 'dark side' - as the Greeks and Turks respectively call each other's side - the north - which is an officially ( UN Sec Council vote ) an unrecognised state.. 'TRNC' - Turkish Republic of northern Cyprus ( only recognised by Turkey )

FSU folk can enter via the Republic - Russians just apply online and print off their visa - and can cross to the north - but as the north is unrecognised one CAN fly there - but only via Turkey and your FSU partner won't be allowed to cross to the south ( 'illegal port of entry') - unless you are married ...


The peoples' may not ( think)  they are able to live side by side  - but are friendly, everywhere.


Post Crimea 2014 - I have noted more RU speakers in the north - which is more unspolit - if you know where to look


It's a great place to get married - as there is easy access to most embassies - need to get a letter to prove one is free to marry and the Brits just need to swear an affidavit

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4791/40608235352_13a9ce40de_z.jpg)







 
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Ahhh Cyprus, we love it! myself, wifey and daughter have been a number of times over the last 6 or 7  years, was there last in August and September last year. We have been all over the island including the Turkish sector, which was actually a really nice experience, crossing the border and all that.  We've done all the touristy things,  followed the green line, visits to the ghost towns, Farmagusta, Salamis, Varosha,  the historic stuff Paphos etc, the greek nights, cruises, hired speedboats and swam at places like Cape Greko and  Aphrodite's Rock and much much more, too much to mention.

The place is amazing, the people are very nice and friendly, food is great, amazing sandy beaches and the weather fantastic too, they drive on the proper side of the road, the left, just like us!  :nod:  they use British 3 pin plugs, what is there not to like about the place. :)

I am currently semi retired, but plans are to take early retirement later this year if all works out with selling of businesses etc and if that happens my wife will also give up work and we will spend 3 - 4 months during the winter in Cyprus, can't wait!
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 11:27:43 AM
Ahhh Cyprus, we love it! myself, wifey and daughter have been a number of times over the last 5 - 6 years, was there last in August and September last year. We have been all over the island including the Turkish sector, which was actually a really nice experience.  We've done all the touristy things,  the green line tours, visits to the ghost towns, Farmagusta, Salamis, Varosha,  Paphos the historic stuff, the greek nights, cruises, hired speedboats and swam at places like Cape Greko and  Aphrodite's Rock  and much much more, too much to go into.

The place is amazing, the people are very nice and friendly, food is great and the weather fantastic too, they drive on the proper side of the road, the left, just like us!  :nod:  they use British 3 pin plugs, what is there not to like about the place. :)

I am currently semi retired, but plans are to take earlyt retirement later this year if all works out with selling of businesses etc and if that happens my wife will also give up work and we will spend 3 - 4 months during the winter in Cyprus, can't wait!

Hi Chris

I was daft to leave - but V wanted her son to be educated in the UK


My fav place to hire a speedboat is from Latsi - north of Paphos on the Akamas - to  'Fontana Amorza'

https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2)

 
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2018, 11:36:47 AM
Ahhh Cyprus, we love it! myself, wifey and daughter have been a number of times over the last 5 - 6 years, was there last in August and September last year. We have been all over the island including the Turkish sector, which was actually a really nice experience.  We've done all the touristy things,  the green line tours, visits to the ghost towns, Farmagusta, Salamis, Varosha,  Paphos the historic stuff, the greek nights, cruises, hired speedboats and swam at places like Cape Greko and  Aphrodite's Rock  and much much more, too much to go into.

The place is amazing, the people are very nice and friendly, food is great and the weather fantastic too, they drive on the proper side of the road, the left, just like us!  :nod:  they use British 3 pin plugs, what is there not to like about the place. :)

I am currently semi retired, but plans are to take earlyt retirement later this year if all works out with selling of businesses etc and if that happens my wife will also give up work and we will spend 3 - 4 months during the winter in Cyprus, can't wait!

Hi Chris

I was daft to leave - but V wanted her son to be educated in the UK


My fav place to hire a speedboat is from Latsi - north of Paphos on the Akamas - to  'Fontana Amorza'

https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2)

I have hired them mainly in Protaras, Fig Tree Bay area and travelled along the coast South to Cape Greko and the radar station on the cliffs, can't really go much further that way unless you have lots of time. Can't really go much North from there obviously because of the Turkish guards patrolling the sea and land / beach area around Farmagusta.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2018, 11:37:55 AM
Ahhh Cyprus, we love it! myself, wifey and daughter have been a number of times over the last 5 - 6 years, was there last in August and September last year. We have been all over the island including the Turkish sector, which was actually a really nice experience.  We've done all the touristy things,  the green line tours, visits to the ghost towns, Farmagusta, Salamis, Varosha,  Paphos the historic stuff, the greek nights, cruises, hired speedboats and swam at places like Cape Greko and  Aphrodite's Rock  and much much more, too much to go into.

The place is amazing, the people are very nice and friendly, food is great and the weather fantastic too, they drive on the proper side of the road, the left, just like us!  :nod:  they use British 3 pin plugs, what is there not to like about the place. :)

I am currently semi retired, but plans are to take earlyt retirement later this year if all works out with selling of businesses etc and if that happens my wife will also give up work and we will spend 3 - 4 months during the winter in Cyprus, can't wait!

Hi Chris

I was daft to leave - but V wanted her son to be educated in the UK


My fav place to hire a speedboat is from Latsi - north of Paphos on the Akamas - to  'Fontana Amorza'

https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2)

Yes it's an amazing place! we are off to Ukraine in June for 3 weeks, but hope to get back to Cyprus maybe August / September time,  dependant on daughter going to Uni etc.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2018, 11:40:09 AM
Ahhh Cyprus, we love it! myself, wifey and daughter have been a number of times over the last 5 - 6 years, was there last in August and September last year. We have been all over the island including the Turkish sector, which was actually a really nice experience.  We've done all the touristy things,  the green line tours, visits to the ghost towns, Farmagusta, Salamis, Varosha,  Paphos the historic stuff, the greek nights, cruises, hired speedboats and swam at places like Cape Greko and  Aphrodite's Rock  and much much more, too much to go into.

The place is amazing, the people are very nice and friendly, food is great and the weather fantastic too, they drive on the proper side of the road, the left, just like us!  :nod:  they use British 3 pin plugs, what is there not to like about the place. :)

I am currently semi retired, but plans are to take earlyt retirement later this year if all works out with selling of businesses etc and if that happens my wife will also give up work and we will spend 3 - 4 months during the winter in Cyprus, can't wait!

Hi Chris

I was daft to leave - but V wanted her son to be educated in the UK


My fav place to hire a speedboat is from Latsi - north of Paphos on the Akamas - to  'Fontana Amorza'

https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/K3iDnHcEsiR2)

If we go to live over winter, we have already made our minds up to base ourselves in the Paphos area, lots to do around there and easy to travel to most parts from there also.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
dependant on daughter going to Uni etc.

OMG..

Doesn't time fly !

What does she hope to study ?
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2018, 01:42:42 PM
dependant on daughter going to Uni etc.

OMG..
H
Doesn't time fly !

What does she hope to study ?

Yes it does, she has been accepted (subject to A level results) at Lancaster, Manchester and Leeds universities, Lancaster is her preferred one though, it has an excellent reputation and ranked highly, she was there Saturday as it happens on a taster day. She will be doing business and finance.

However, she has just done a weeks work experience at BAE, only two from her college got approved, she has applied there also for an apprenticeship in Project Management and Finance, she loved it, she has got through 3 stages so far and interview is next, if she gets offered a job there she will take it, it would be silly not too, getting paid to do a degree and with all the opportunities that are available to her there is a no brainer, it is always well over subscribed but so far so good.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on March 06, 2018, 10:31:52 PM
Morning to you both, Chris and Moby

Chris regards to your wife and congrats for daughter.

Have been to Cyprus 3 times, travelled a lot around, including the North, have relatives there.... and I agree with Chris that Paphos is more interesting place, huge contrast from the North....but I liked Kyrenia and the very cheap fresh fish.by the port.

I can only guess that Moby is staying in the North  so I have something for you.

Read this article..... you may find it interesting before is deleted again by .....

http://europeanlawblog.eu/2018/03/05/lounes-naturalisation-and-brexit/

Enjoy your time....... ;D

PS: Moby first time I saw you writing something interesting and not been belligerent or PIA.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on March 07, 2018, 12:32:35 AM
Morning Chris,

Thanks for the update. My eldest is closer to thirty than twenty, now and it is scary how fast time flies

Great to see how well the little 'un's adapted.

Wiz, thank you.  We spent time in Paphos, Limassol, Larnaca and Kyrenia districts

SC is till there - on a 3 month Visa .. loving the CY Oranges and other local produce

I know about Lounes, thanks and the (London)Derry lass who has just won a test case in Belfast - allowing her US hubbie to reside in the UK - using the 2004/38/EC route - she was told she was 'British' and couldn't but pointed out the agreements of the Good Friday Agreement and that she chose to be Irish ..


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/12/derry-woman-us-born-husband-uk-emma-de-souza (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/12/derry-woman-us-born-husband-uk-emma-de-souza)
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 07, 2018, 01:13:58 AM
Morning to you both, Chris and Moby

Chris regards to your wife and congrats for daughter.

Have been to Cyprus 3 times, travelled a lot around, including the North, have relatives there.... and I agree with Chris that Paphos is more interesting place, huge contrast from the North....but I liked Kyrenia and the very cheap fresh fish.by the port.



Thanks Wiz, yes there are many places that are worth visiting, the lovely weather helps of course.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Chris on March 07, 2018, 01:15:16 AM
Morning Chris,

Thanks for the update. My eldest is closer to thirty than twenty, now and it is scary how fast time flies

Great to see how well the little 'un's adapted.



Time, goes quicker than we realise, especially if you are having fun  :)  ......we are away later this month / early next month for a few days, reason is, we have been married 10 years this month, blimey!
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner - normally peaceful !
Post by: msmoby on March 16, 2018, 09:14:01 AM
Well, having enjoyed the break, SC is still out there - trying to help sell the house for our friends - showing folks around


T'other morning as we chatted on SKYPE  - I was still in bed and SC was sunbathing - we heard a row - screaming - lots of shouting - eventually
Police Sirens and then gun shots ?

Turns out the Landlord of a place nearby was 'giving it the beans' - but with the wife of his tenant - and the husband turned up ( unexpectedly ) and caught them at it ...

There ensured a 'Crime of passion' as the furious husband - apparently' made his wife stab the lover ( the landlord) and the neighbours attacked the attackers ..got it ?


The Police arrived and fired into the air to disperse the revengeful neighbours..


SC ?  She just carried on sunbathing ....

I found this from an Azerbaijan ) newspaper.

http://vesti.az/news/357027



The house is still on the market in this quieter neighbourhood - if any one is interested .....
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 15, 2018, 08:31:12 AM
After 10 years most places change a lot - but not Cyprus...  it is stuck in a rut - while both 'sides' blame each other, when it is clear that it is time a new generation try to sort things out between them ....the problem being - will Turkey 'allow' it ?

The 'rump'  RoC is recovering from it's Euro crisis - having been a little too involved in Greece

Russian money has continued to flow in - despite bank accounts having over 100,000 Euros having an enforced haircut to help in the banking crisis


A new bank Russian Commercial Bank has sprung up - winning Cyprus 'bank of the year' in 2017 http://www.rcbcy.com/en/ (http://www.rcbcy.com/en/)

Frankly, I find this part of Cyprus to be more western and tidy - but it has got v.expensive.

A new marina has been built in Limassol and the offices are in Cyprus, Piter and Moscow ... 

limassolmarina.com (http://limassolmarina.com)

(http://limassolmarina.com/Templates/00001/data/homepage/LimassolMarina-video-20180319-en.jpg)

Then there's the 'north'... By a UN security council degree - it's creation as a 'state' is not to be recognised and one can only fly here from Turkey or enter via 'the south'

We know know Russians from Samara, Ufa and folk from other former SSRs that have settled here and love it  - before a Russian speaker was rare - but now - I think it's the Crimea factor - Russian speakers are quite common



The Kremlin has threatened to recognise the 'TRNC' - the 'north' but will it - given it's ties with the Orthodox Christian 'south' ?

The north is like the twilight zone

We spotted one 178 ( Moscow) plated car and a ferry from Trabzon to Sochi may restart - so it might be fun to try a road-trip

Yesterday, we found a beautiful beach that was deserted -one that would be heaving elsewhere.  The 'govt' have made it an ecology zone and the beach  restaurant is powered by wind and solar. A generator is permitted in the evening to maintain fridge / freezers

SC was modelling the sheep dog bra ( rounds them up and points them in the right direction)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/968/41408572344_576e14aafa_c.jpg)






Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 15, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
After 10 years most places change a lot - but not Cyprus...  it is stuck in a rut - while both 'sides' blame each other, when it is clear that it is time a new generation try to sort things out between them ....the problem being - will Turkey 'allow' it ?

Have you spoke to any Turkish Cypriot born in the north?

You will be surprised what they have to say about Turkey and Ertogan... and mostly about the immigrant colonisers from Anatolia........

Before the invasion there was only 80.000 and now with the colonisers are nearly 400.000 and the TC hate them.

Thanks to Kissinger and the UK. Divide and rule.!

 :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 15, 2018, 10:30:33 PM


Have you spoke to any Turkish Cypriot born in the north?

Naturally
You will be surprised what they have to say about Turkey and Ertogan... and mostly about the immigrant colonisers from Anatolia........

Before the invasion there was only 80.000 and now with the colonisers are nearly 400.000 and the TC hate them.


As ever, Wiz demonstrates a TOTAL lack of understanding re the ACTUAL situation on the ground.

Whilst it is true that many Turkish Cypriots resent the 'Turkification' of the 'north' - their kids have married Turks and they don't forget what happened in villages like Tochni - all males over 16 massacred by Hellenic 'patriots'

In 2003 TC's voted for a  Kofi Annan plan to 're-unify' the island and the Orthodox Church ( and the Kremlin ) succeeded in persuading Greek Cypriots to vote the plan down ....Since then, I have more sympathy for the plight of TCs and I don't recognise Wiz' 'interpretation' of a place where he relies on others - rather than seeing for himself ...

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 16, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
Dear Moby

You obviously think that you are the only knowledgeable person on the world who knows everything and can express an opinion about everything!  :rolleye0009:

All other people here we are idiots and you are the only clever person on the world.

I have visited both parts of Cyprus twice in the past and I do have many relatives as also Turkish Cypriot friends who inform me accordingly. I am also old enough to remember what took place while Cyprus was under the British and what happened later during the invasion.

Now I am not going to give you a history lesson but simply may I remind you what the Brits did under Governor Harding and ask you if you remember how many Greek fighters he hanged for fighting with EOKA for the liberation of the island.

During that period there were no problems between the Greeks and Turkish Cypriots in the north until the British following their usual practice “Divide and Rule” to make sure, what ever was the result of the EOKA gorilla war, the British could keep the 2 bases in Cyprus as British Sovereign land.

At the time of the Independent agreement is Zurich the population was 18% TC and 82% GC and the TC had no problems with the majority of the Greek Cypriots but the next 3 years all problems started with the instigation of the British.

After the invasion by Turkey with British and American help, don’t forget the Radar on Troodos Mountain, blocking the Greek army ships, with your navy to reach Cyprus…. and the “Turkification” of the North, the British and the Americans, via the UN tried to impose the Anan Plan in 2004, which I read and it’s unworkable because it states the minority has the same rights with the majority, rotate the presidency role equally and on top, as a guarantor, a foreign person to make decisions, if they disagree.
Typical British colonial rule, supported by the Americans too and Israel, (involved in the Explorations of Gas and oil.)

For the past 2-3 years tried again to impose this plan ….. but no success,

Russia does not get involved because they know MI6 has created the AKEL, largest party in the south (Communistic party) and before any of its leaders visit Moscow always go there via London!

Now if you think you know better the situation than my relatives and friends from the North, than you must be working for MI6, but I think they don’t employ characters like you ….. maybe/possibly in small errands messenger jobs.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The fact is simple. Ertogan one’s he becomes a Sultan (Muslim Dictator) for ever, next month,  then he will try to incorporate the TRC to Turkey, because nobody recognise it,  so he can have rights to the Gas and Oil fields.

Remember that the Greek side in the south, despite all these problems from the double face British and Americans………has developed very well and there is no comparison between the two parts.

Just for your information my TC friends told me that they have no problems acquiring passports and other benefits health education etc from the CR as they are treated the same like the Greeks.

You of course took advantage of CR being a member of the EU and you know it well. :P

It’s good idea we never forget history and the duplicitous behaviour of the British and the USA. That is nothing new in my opinion.


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YlxfayMoREU/Ue0SE1nsNeI/AAAAAAAAFR4/KQxzwvXV8do/s1600/Cyprus-etnicity+MAP+1960+vs+today+STOLEN.jpg)

 tiphat
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 16, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
The Fallacies of the Cyprus “Problem” -
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS


(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ygGfyVlZXEY/WZAgKg-GdTI/AAAAAAAACcI/jQ2mHNOv4HsCujXnZDOxqBMricbHJNHkQCLcBGAs/s400/Cran%2BMontana%2B-%2BImage-by-UN-Geneva-700x394.jpg)

ILIAS KOUSKOUVELIS, AUG 12 2017

In the early morning of July 7, 2017, another round of negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations on the so called Cyprus “problem” has ended in Switzerland. Some are trying to understand why. Others, however, have ostensibly entered the “blame game” and/or misinformation, unjustly pointing the finger to the government of the Republic of Cyprus, because, allegedly, it did not make the necessary concessions, so as to satisfy Turkish demands. For those who are trying to understand why, I am arguing, hereinafter, that none should have expected these negotiations (or any previous) to succeed. They were doomed to fail for three reasons, which constitute the fallacies of the so-called Cyprus “problem”.


Fallacy One

The first fallacy is that international actors, international organizations, diplomats, and analysts are trying to understand first and deal then with a “problem”, and not with a case of pure and brutal military invasion perpetrated by Turkey in 1974 and still preserved illegally until today.[1] This is where all starts and all ends: in the thought dominating (our) minds that we are to deal with a “problem” and not with a flagrant violation of almost all fundamental principals of the United Nations Charter and a series of non implemented compulsory decisions of the Security Council.

In fact, Turkey still maintains some 40.000 heavily armed troops on the island, presenting since 1974 an every day threat for the very existence of what is left territorially of the Republic of Cyprus, making us wonder how the Republic of Cyprus’ citizens – EU citizens since 2004 – and its economy may endure such a situation. Turkey, as demonstrated in the negotiations, has not the intention to withdraw its occupation forces from the island (BBC 2017). Most important, even if those troops were to be reduced, Turkey was adamantly against abandoning the status of the guarantor power, contrary to the intention of the other two guarantors (the U.K. and Greece).

Why? The official narrative says in order to guarantee the rights and the security of the Turkish Cypriots (TRTWORLD 2017). Obviously, this is neither the real nor a convincing reason, as Turkey, given its record of human rights, cannot guarantee the rule of law, especially in an EU country. The real motive is the expansionist policy of Turkey, and its tactic to exercise through Cyprus pressure on the Republic, on Greece, on the EU, and more broadly, on the West.

It is clear that Turkey does not want to contribute to “solving” the problem. And this is the second fallacy committed by those who consider Turkey well-intentioned to solve the Cyprus “problem” under the rule of the AKP Party and of Erdogan, and given Turkey’s current and favorable general and regional distribution of power. In fact, Turkey’s position on Cyprus was clearly stated many years ago by Ahmet Davutoglu.[2] The following excerpts from his book are more than explicit:

“It is not possible for a country that neglects Cyprus to have a decisive saying in the global and regional politics. It cannot be active in world politics, because this small island occupies a position which can directly affect the strategic links between Asia and Africa, Europe and Africa, and Europe and Asia.  And it cannot be active in regional politics, because Cyprus has its eastern edge resembling an arrow that points to the Middle East, and its western edge establishing the cornerstone of the strategic balance among the eastern Mediterranean, the Balkans and North Africa”. (Davutoğlu 2008, 176)

“(…) Even if there was not one Muslim Turk there, Turkey had to maintain a Cyprus problem. No country can stay indifferent towards such an island, located in the heart of its very own vital space.” (Davutoğlu 2008, 179)

“Turkey needs to see the strategic advantage which it obtained… in the 1970s, not as the component of a Cyprus defence policy, directed towards maintaining the status quo, but as one of the diplomatic main supports of an aggressive maritime strategy”. (Davutoğlu 2008, 180)


Consequent to these views, Turkey not only continues the illegal occupation, but it also increases problems for Cyprus. Most characteristic is the aggressive stance over the issue of energy resources discovered in the Cypriot Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and the prospect of their exploitation.

Since 2010, in the very beginning, Turkey stated that it has rights to the resources, warned the countries of the region that supporting the moves of the Republic of Cyprus will have consequences in the Cyprus negotiations (Hurriyet Daily News, Jan. 5, 2011), and attempted to stop Cyprus and the various international companies to proceed with exploration (Hurriyet Daily News, Aug. 5, 2011). Then it moved on to an illegal agreement of delimiting the continental shelf with the self-proclaimed “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus”, so as to carry out research into the area between itself and the northern cost of Cyprus (Hurriyet Daily News, Sept. 21, 2011). It has repeatedly sent research and military vessels in the Cypriot EEZ, whenever and wherever surveys were being held out, in order to, according to Erdoğan’s statement, protect the Turkish interests, thus causing tension in the region and reaction on the part of Israel, the U.S.A., and the EU.

Fallacy Three

From time to time Turkey remembers the Turkish Cypriots and declares that it maintains troops on the island and remains a guarantor, in order to protect their rights on the Mediterranean energy resources. Despite the inconsistency of whose rights Turkey is protecting, Turkish or Turkish Cypriot, this raises a question relative to the political importance of the Turkish Cypriots and their ability to negotiate independently from Turkey the solution of the “problem”. It is the answer to this question that constitutes the third reason explaining the failure of negotiations and, at the same time, reveals the third fallacy.

A big part of the negotiations was conducted between the leaders of the two communities, despite the fact that the one is the President of an internationally recognised state and the other the leader of a Community. But protocol, which no doubt matters in international relations, is not the obstacle here. The obstacle is that the Turkish Cypriots are so dependent on and from Turkey that they really do not have the ability to strike any deal if Turkey disagrees. It is therefore a fallacy to think that because the two communities on the island (perhaps genuinely) want to end the division, this is going to happen. And it is lost energy, human resources, political capital, time, money and unfulfilled hopes to have the impotent Turkish Cypriot leader discussing with a democratically elected, internationally recognised and with full power to strike a deal President of the Republic of Cyprus.

It is very nice having the two leaders meeting, taking the customary picture, and trying to solve the details of how a re-unified island and its government may work. But, it is also fallacious! Because, the solution of the Cyprus “problem” is totally dependent on the end of the occupation, which does not depend on the Turkish Cypriots! It depends on the Turkish government and particularly, at this moment, Erdogan.

Conclusion

Thus, if anyone in the future wants genuinely to deal with the “problem”, they should start where all negotiations should have had started since 1974. The place is called Ankara, the country is Turkey, the leader now is Erdogan, and what needs to be done is to end, first, the occupation and, second, the anachronism or the absurdity of a non EU country guaranteeing the rule of law and the security of an EU member state.

Otherwise, we will continue living in our minds with the fallacies of what has been named a “problem”, masking the crucial fact that Turkey is the invader and small Cyprus the victim.



Notes

[1] On the invasion and its consequences see the Historical Review of The Cyprus Question of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus available at: http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2016.nsf/mfa08_en/mfa08_en - OpenDocument

[2] He served successively as adviser to Erdogan on foreign affairs, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Prime Minister.

Source:

http://antifon.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/the-fallacies-of-cyprus-problem-e.html#more
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 16, 2018, 01:59:12 PM

You obviously think that you are the only knowledgeable person on the world who knows everything and can express an opinion about them.

Unlike you - I go to the places you spout bollox about ...As we know - you've never been to Israel ... it shows

All other people here we are idiots and you are the only clever person on the world.

It is certainly amusing that many folks who fawn over VVP don't actually GO to Russia..in fact they bitch about the visa regime - as an 'excuse' ...

I have visited both parts of Cyprus twice in the past and I do have many relatives as also Turkish Cypriot friends who inform me accordingly. I am also old enough to remember what took place while Cyprus was under the British and what happened later during the invasion.

This v. someone who lived there nearly 10 years and is here, now  ..I am bloomin' sure I know FAR more about the place than you ever will

Now I am not going to give you a history lesson but simply may I remind you what the Brits did under Governor Harding and ask you if you remember how many Greek fighters he hanged for fighting with EOKA for the liberation of the island.

During that period there were no problems between the Greeks and Turkish Cypriots in the north until the British following their usual practice “Divide and Rule” to make sure, what ever was the result of the EOKA gorilla war, the British could keep the 2 bases in Cyprus as British Sovereign land.

IF you paid attention - you would rather copy and paste the thoughts of others - I learnt - long ago of Britain's aim to involve Turkey - as Greece was screaming for Enosis ( union ) - with Cyprus...  Yes, divide and rule...

My neighbour in Limassol served in the 50's as a soldier and fought EOKA and is now firm friends with his EOKA GC neighbour - between them and my TC mates Ismet and Mustafa - now living in the north - from originally from Baf ( Paphos) and Limas(s)ol, respectively and a few other notable Cypriots - I've been privileged to listen to how they've stayed friends through the 50's to today and their experiences through these times.   


At the time of the Independent agreement is Zurich the population was 18% TC and 82% GC and the TC had no problems with the majority of the Greek Cypriots but the next 3 years all problems started with the instigation of the British.

Sorry, that is patent nonsense..  SC calls and is more interesting ... Will respond when she's on her way back to Russia

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 16, 2018, 11:55:32 PM


all problems started with the instigation of the British.

Not all, Dear Wiz,

Greece agitated for union with Cyprus - seeking rulings at the UN ... so the Brits - seeking to retain the bases - tried to involved a then disinterested Turkey ( mid 50's) - We've discussed this book, before

https://www.amazon.com/Hostage-History-Cyprus-Ottomans-Kissinger/dp/1859841899 (https://www.amazon.com/Hostage-History-Cyprus-Ottomans-Kissinger/dp/1859841899)  I recommend you re-read it


After the invasion by Turkey


Where*I* am in Cyprus, it is known as the PEACE MOVEMENT  - as Right wing Cypriots - with help from the Greek Junta ( as possibly US encouragement (?) tried to kill the President of an already fractured Cyprus ( many towns and villages living -surrounded in adversity ) - and GREEK CYPRIOTS fighting/ killing each other


 with British and American help, don’t forget the Radar on Troodos Mountain, blocking the Greek army ships, with your navy to reach Cyprus….

1/ Whilst the book I mention certainly suggests Kissinger was hoping to remove the 'commie in a Cassock' - Makarios - fearing he would grant the Soviets a naval base - or worse - the contention - re the Brits is bollox

2/ Callaghan received a call from Kissinger to WITHDRAW subs and other naval craft  blockading the Turks and Greeks trying to land on the island and the UK had refused a request from Turkey to allow a landing on SBA ( Sovereign base area ) territory ( Britain 'rents' territory from the Rep of Cyprus for it's bases - as part of the independence in 1960 )

3/ I have told you before the dome on top of the island is rumoured to be empty and it certainly couldn't have 'blocked [only] Greek (naval ) ships' - radar.... not that the Greeks had any stomach to fight Turkey ... did they Wiz?  The Junta fell - as the Army refused to attack  :chuckle:


and the “Turkification” of the North, the British and the Americans, via the UN tried to impose the Anan Plan in 2004, which I read and it’s unworkable because it states the minority has the same rights with the majority, rotate the presidency role equally and on top, as a guarantor, a foreign person to make decisions, if they disagree.

1/ Kofi Annan ( two n's) was no lackey of the US / UK, etc., - If you have studied his record as the head of the UN and listened to some of his recent interviews - you'd know that, Wiz ...

2/ The Annan Plan was openly discussed for three years - it was voted on a matter of days before the 'rump' RoC joined the EU - the daft GCs listened to the Orthodox Church - who were happier for continued ethic segregation and moaning of 'injustice'   It was an extremely fair compromise - allowing a long period of continued segregation - with tracts of territory slowly returning to the 'south' - Morfou would now be in the 'south' and eventual - total reunification. AKEL - the party of the left - asked it's supporters to vote NO - ( our no means yes ? ) and the President - a hard liner, Right of centre - cried on TV and suggested a 'No' .... Those who studied Tassos 'Liealotopolus' knew he wasn't an honest broker - he had been influenced - but by who ?...  Cyprus has been ruled by more moderate leaders since these two selfish gits got voted out of office - but the damage was done.   

The RoC thought joining the EU would put pressure on Turkey to leave the island  :'(

4/ Cyprus was the only of the 10 new EU members in 2004 - not to put membership to the vote.. such was the confidence that the Annan Plan wasn't needed ... Since that vote, I know tend to favour TCs - as they were prepared to compromise and trust third parties to protect them from the far greater numbers of GCs

Now we come to the part where the best selling Eng lang Cypriot newspaper mocks this contention..

Russia does not get involved because they know MI6 has created the AKEL, largest party in the south (Communistic party) and before any of its leaders visit Moscow always go there via London!

 http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/26/tassos-papadopoulos-russia-and-the-annan-plan/ (http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/26/tassos-papadopoulos-russia-and-the-annan-plan/)

Tassos Papadopoulos, Russia and the Annan Plan

Those interested to read will fall about laughing as Wiz' 'MI6 stooges' must have defied their controllers to vote no to Annian ;))

Typical British colonial rule, supported by the Americans too and Israel, (involved in the Explorations of Gas and oil.)

Indeed, it was the prospect of Oil / Gas reserves that probably had a newly elected Erdogan support Annan - as the TCs would have shared in any bonanza.

Your 'knowledge' of RoC / Israeli relations is appalling - Cyprus has long supported the Palestinians and has been critical of Israel last week 

For the past 2-3 years tried again to impose this plan ….. but no success,

You say 'imposition' - many Cypriots still feel their leaders have a duty to sort out the differences..  The talks continue .. These two leaders have much in common and the closer ties between Russia and Turkey may actually bring about a settlement.

Now if you think you know better the situation than my relatives and friends from the North, than you must be working for MI6, but I think they don’t employ characters like you ….. maybe/possibly in small errands messenger jobs.

As I just demonstrated, I clearly have much better knowledge of the past 60 years events than you..  and your 'fantasises' as to my lifestyle

The fact is simple. Ertogan one’s he becomes a Sultan (Muslim Dictator) for ever, next month,  then he will try to incorporate the TRC to Turkey, because nobody recognise it,  so he can have rights to the Gas and Oil fields.

Let's indulge you...  let's say Erdogan announced 'TRNC' (sic) was part of Turkey

The oil fields are to the south of the island - please tell us on what basis would 'Gtr Turkey ' have a 'claim' ?


Remember that the Greek side in the south, despite all these problems from the double face British and Americans………has developed very well and there is no comparison between the two parts.

You might be surprised at the improvement in infrastructure in the 'north'  - but I'll readily concede that it's continued non-recognition hols the north back. The danger is that Russia might one day ( as mentioned in 2014) recognise 'TRNC' in retaliation for the santions on Crimea? ..

Just for your information my TC friends told me that they have no problems acquiring passports and other benefits health education etc from the CR as they are treated the same like the Greeks.

 You mean fellow Cypriots ( not 'Greeks ) ? ... Naturally, the RoC treats all those born of Cypriot parentage as CYPRIOT..   

You of course took advantage of CR being a member of the EU and you know it well.

My reasons for coming to Cyprus pre-date it's accession and were unrelated ...  that I subsequently met and married a Russian and used a route to bring her to the UK - was pure coincidence. The Directive of 2004 - post dated my acquiring an Irish passport

It’s good idea we never forget history and the duplicitous behaviour of the British and the USA. That is nothing new in my opinion.

When your 'history' is as selective' and often proven to be bogus / ill -researched - like your nation US has invaded post ?


Your maps miss out 1963-1974 when many Turkish Cypriots lived in enclaves - never leaving their villages -  having to smuggle in food / medicals supplies....

'Thanks', Wiz ..  I prefer seeking history with my own eyes - talking to those who lived it

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 17, 2018, 01:58:15 AM
Despite Wiz attempt to divert the thread .. ;)

Larnaca

Third biggest city in the 'South' (?) and whole of island (?) 


Mackenzie Beach is RIGHT next to the beginning of the runway and we had two 20-something, pretty lasses to the right, 3 making asses of themselves to the left and 2 families behind us - with two Cypriot lads trying to speak Russian to them ;)

It was really interesting to watch the planes on Flightradar24, then see them on finals

http://www.youtu.be/uISePVeQhlc (http://www.youtu.be/uISePVeQhlc)


Madam - not interested ;)

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Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 17, 2018, 02:00:54 AM
correct code:

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 17, 2018, 01:14:26 PM
Moby

Your video links.... do not work .... only a toples lady photo appear.......  ;D

I am not trying to divert, as you say the subject……neither will ever visit a terrorist nation who is killing people with impunity and does not respect International laws and conventions. You may accept such assignments but not me. At my age, I don’t want to become a hero… You may do!

Before I buy any book, I read the various reviews and then I make up my mind….. if it’s worth paying the price and in this case I am not prepared to pay $40 Dollars for a book with so many different opinions.

Here I copy 2 reviews so different for C. Hitchens book: Hostage to History

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https://www.amazon.com/Hostage-History-Cyprus-Ottomans-Kissinger/dp/1859841899

5 of 5 stars - The turks waded ashore and Christians were massacred

BySeth J. Frantzman HALL OF FAME on September 14, 2003

We all know the story of Cyprus, well actually none of us do. None of us remmmeber what happaned at Famagusta. The Muslims were sieging the city and the indegenous CHristians were praying to god to help them. Then the Muslims lured the christian leader out under flag of truce. In front of the city the muslims cut his skin off him and stuffed it with hay, he was still alive to see his skin hanging on a dummy body. THis is typical 'peaceful' muslim behavior of course but what one forgets is that even with the ottoman victory the christians lived on, and currently occupy half of Cyrpus. THis would not have been the case had Kissinger and the Viscious intolerant anti-minority Tirks had their way(remmember what the turks and other 'peaceful' muslims did to the armenians?). Hitchens tells the story of Cyrpus as it happaned. How the Greek Cypriots were betrayed and how the machinations of foriegn powers brought the island to civil strife and finally turkish invasion. WIth the Turkish invasion the christians were forced to flee or be massacred, but of course like most population exchanges the only people that had to leave were the non muslims, the muslims in christian cyprus stayed put because western powers are always more benevolent(remmember what happened with India/Pakistan in 1948 how all the hindu/sihks were massacred in Pakistan but westerners get mad when one muslim dies in India). Hitchens book is an important work and not biased, it does focus to much on foriengers and does not talk about the day to day violence that overtook Cyprus prior to the invasion.

0 out of 5 stars - Hackneyed History
ByR. Danielson October 20, 2008

As much as I admire Christopher Hitchens, when it comes to Cyprus, he completely loses his mind. With this book, Hitchens falls into the intellectually lazy trap of forming his conclusions before seeking out material to support them. Essentially, he makes an argument, and then asks the reader to take his word for it. Although replete with quotes, the book contains almost no citations that the reader can trace to a source.

Hitchens makes it all seem so simple: the Cypriots and Greece are the virtuous ones, while the Turks, Britain, and the US are the villains. But anyone who has spent any time at all seriously researching this subject knows this just isn't so.

The book also contains so many historical howlers that anyone quoting it does so at his own peril. Because of its formulaic structure it might appeal to a popular audience, but has virtually no scholarly value. I, for one, am waiting for Mr. Hitchens to re-visit this subject, do the actual research, and come back with a book worthy of him.

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyprus-Conspiracy-America-Espionage-Invasion/dp/1860647375

The Cyprus Conspiracy: America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion
Paperback – 25 Jun 2001
by Brendan O'Malley  (Author), Ian Craig (Author) Price £12.99

Top customer reviews

Neon
5.0 out of 5 stars - Exceptionally interesting and impartial - 21 May 2016
Format: Paperback Verified Purchase

One of the fairest and impartial overviews I have read. Of course there are some parts which are omitted, but overall I would definitely recommend this book over nearly all other publications on the matter. The book slightly understates the negative British influence on the events which transpired (and this is coming from a Brit), but it accurately represents the deep conspiracy and the devastating effects of American interference, and its long lasting effects that remain to this day.


A. A. C. Condie

5.0 out of 5 stars - Disturbing reading - 29 May 2012
Format: Paperback Verified Purchase

Having visited Cyprus and with relatives living there, I have always been interested in the politics of the country. I knew about the British colonial rule, EOKA insurgency, and the Turkish invasion in 1974. I thought I knew what it was all about but this book educated me into how murky and complicated the issues are with Cyprus. No one comes out of this well - the British, Greeks, Turkish, Americans, and the Cypriots (Greek and Turkish).

I would not post any more positive reviews but if you want to have a look and check it,

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyprus-Conspiracy-America-Espionage-Invasion/dp/1860647375

you will find 45 positive reviews and only 2 negative.

I bought it, read it and I think it’s an excellent book and more accurate than others I have read. The Authors BTW are not Greeks or Turkish …. Where Christopher  Hitchens is British. Give me good reason why I should trust his narrative and not the second one?

BTW I guess you are not in Cyprus anymore….. and you are writing again porkies.

Obviously you enjoy using your fantasy to write lies about Greeks killing Turks and not a word about the British atrocities and responsibility!

It is all “The Greek’s Fault”.. and today around 40 bases/Stations on the island are all Greek and not American and GCHQ!

I asked you to write an honest travel report and you wrote ... Fcuk all!

Well done old chum!

 :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: AvHdB on May 17, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
My guess after looking at a short history of Cyprus.This is a quagmire in a swamp.

It is amusing that some note and discredit C. Hitchens who was married to a woman from Cyprus and spent numerous years there .
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 17, 2018, 07:20:01 PM
Moby

Your video links.... do not work .... only a toples lady photo appear....... 

As ever, you don't actually read.. for those of us without relic OS' - the video is viewable ..


I am not trying to divert

Yup - you do - check the tread title



neither will ever visit a terrorist nation who is killing people with impunity and does not respect International laws and conventions. You may accept such assignments but not me. At my age, I don’t want to become a hero… You may do!

You my have noticed, I go where I want - irrespective of what I think of the leadership of the nation

Before I buy any book, I read the various reviews and then I make up my mind….. if it’s worth paying the price and in this case I am not prepared to pay $40 Dollars for a book with so many different opinions.

Think you are AN IDIOT..   I read books - even if the author has views opposing mine - that way one 'gets' their perspective.  I use the digital library service online

Here I copy 2 reviews so different for C. Hitchens book:

..and you post a guy giving it 5/5 and posting historical shyte ?

One of my suppliers - when I worked here was a young man in the CY National Guard ..  He was under orders NOT to shoot at the Turkish Army - he was stationed near 'Escape Beach' as the Turks started to land - and they fell back - rather than antagonise - believing it would be a temporary 'occupation'


BySeth J. Frantzman HALL OF FAME on September 14, 2003

We all know the story of Cyprus, well actually none of us do. None of us remmmeber what happaned at Famagusta. The Muslims were sieging the city and the indegenous CHristians were praying to god to help them.

This is one of those books that totally ignores that TCs were besieged - yes - within the walls of Famagusta - for YEARS... '63-74 - this is one of your 'historical references', Wiz?




0 out of 5 stars - Hackneyed History
ByR. Danielson October 20, 2008

As much as I admire Christopher Hitchens, when it comes to Cyprus, he completely loses his mind. With this book, Hitchens falls into the intellectually lazy trap of forming his conclusions before seeking out material to support them. Essentially, he makes an argument, and then asks the reader to take his word for it. Although replete with quotes, the book contains almost no citations that the reader can trace to a source.

Hitchens makes it all seem so simple: the Cypriots and Greece are the virtuous ones, while the Turks, Britain, and the US are the villains. But anyone who has spent any time at all seriously researching this subject knows this just isn't so.

Well, you chose another shyte review.

Hitchens points out failings on all sides




BTW I guess you are not in Cyprus anymore….. and you are writing again porkies.

You guess wrong - as usual ..  My IP address will show a Turkish IP - but I am on the island of Cyprus - it is 4am and I can't sleep - as SC will be leaving today - her Visa for the RoC expires and she must leave.   She is flying back to Russia. As I write, the first call to the Mosque of the days is being broadcast.  I flew out on Sunday 13th from East Mids Airport for 53.99 GBP with Thomas Cook Airlines


Obviously you enjoy using your fantasy to write lies about Greeks killing Turks and not a word about the British atrocities and responsibility!

Wiz' - you fantasize about my life off board, constantly ... you are fixated with it ;) 

Greeks - REAL Greeks - killed left wing Cypriots and aided the likes of Sampson to try to kill the President ( Makarios) ... Then they started to turn their attention to TCs in villages like Tochni - in the Limassol district - killing all males under 16 - but failing to kill one - who told the tale. Atrocities were committed by all sides. 


It is all “The Greek’s Fault”.. and today around 40 bases/Stations on the island are all Greek and not American and GCHQ!

Wiz, I am not 1 mile from where the American NSA had a base on Cyprus in the 70's ... One of my Armenian CY mate's Dad worked there.. west of Kyrenia...( now in the Turkish zone ) ...  Cyprus had US / UK and Greek bases then, too - now it has many Turkish ones - allegedly to protect the 'soft under-belly' of Turkey ..

It is noted you didn't deal with the fact that the Greek Junta collapsed - when the Army  were ordered to invade Turkey - in response to the invasion / peace movement on Cyprus... 'brave' Greece - kicked off a civil war and ended up getting Cyprus split in two ..

I asked you to write an honest travel report and you wrote ... Fcuk all!

Well done old chum!

 :coffeeread:

I started this thread and you HAVE polluted  it with historical shyte and your usual bollox about my life.

@AvhdB.. an accurate description - yet as with Ireland - and the Balkans - places with civil wars and pent up hatred - tend to be populated with v.friendly people

It only took a few idiots - most nearly dead, now ... ( save for Kissinger ) to make this place as bizarre as it is- yet well worth a visit







Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 18, 2018, 04:18:08 AM
Noby

As usual you are rude (that is your style and mentality) and you call me IDIOT because you are the one who has a scatter brain and for this it’s my fault!

Is it my fault because you choose to chop your balls and don’t get regular service? I don’t think so!

With you usual slicing style, because you are incapable to write any reply more than 2-3 lines, as a concise and coherent text, you try to find reasons to cover up you own failures.

In my reply I gave you my own reasons why I made the choice to read the book, “The Cyprus Conspiracy” and Not the Book of C. Hitchens.

At the same time I posted 2 reviews for each book and more importantly I posted the links to AMAZON to give you and anybody else the chance to read the reviews on your own. In both counts the book I bought and read, wins hands down! You must not forget that the “Cyprus Conspiracy” was written not by a Greek but by one of your own people.

Here are some replies to your idiotic comments.

1)   It is not my fault or of my XP OS that you are not cable to post the correct code! Not the first time. I can assure you that I have also a program VLC Viewer that I can see any type of video code but “Google Chrome” chooses not to update it. So blame your self.

2)   I asked you to post a Travel report and almost a week later…. You were posting bollocks…. from wherever you sleep, probably your hideout at the Scottish and English border.

3)   You choose to go wherever your assignments require but I don’t have to visit any country, I don’t want to.

4)   Your preference regarding books, are different of mine and I have no reason to justify my preferences.

5)   Your fertile imagination runs ahead, lying, while my cousin who lives in Cyprus and was near the landing Beach, where the Turkish head of the invasion was  killed, told me that for 3 days they manage to resist the landing killing any Turk coming on the beach.

6)   Another idiotic comment from your ignorance on how a board is running. Only the admin and Mods can see your IP and not us the members……. My guess was correct that you were not in Cyprus and the photos you posted…… are from the past. As about the photo……. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OsPi_e2Ti0EFBjZtQSFSWY-bdGkusaaU0RIKLYJaYRyfAnPb5YdZWcccObR0CBr7ec-uWg=s85

So you found a cheap ticket, last minute to go and say goodbye, to your Mistress, for a long time.

7)   Your actions prove that you are fantasising about your rich lifestyle, life, not me!

8)   The NEW Junta leader, Dimitris Ioannidis (a Mossad subordinated agent by his brother in Law - a dentist who was the Mossad head in Greece) who deposed the Dictator G. Papadopoulos, because during the Yon Kipur war refused the US supplying planes to refuel in Greece, was the one who ordered the coup against Makarios.

    Of course there was shooting between Greeks during the Coup but do you know 
    who saved Makarios from the Pallas? It was MI5 agents that took Makarios at 
    the British Base, where he spoke by Radio to the Greek Cypriots and then 
    appeared in England! Was he one of your agents and why the file about Cyprus 
    has not opened yet?

9)   The NEW Junta of D. Ioannidis fell in 3 days, during the invasion, because most of the army were still pro the old Dictator Papadopoulos (a CIA trained Major) and the Americans had already organised the return of the self-exiled in Paris, K. Karamanlis. It was him who after the 2nd Turkish air bombardment (Attilas) who succumbed and signed the end of hostilities and division of the island. BTW it was him who a month before the Turkish invasion had travelled to Washington for talks with the Americans and after the 2nd invasion took Greece out of the NATO for long time. Did you know all that?

Finally as you did not posted anything interesting before, already mentioned, at least the people can read something more interesting about the plight of Cyprus!

I would suggest anybody who would like to visit the island..... to go despite the lack of real good travel report from the absent......Moby.

 :ROFL: tiphat :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: AvHdB on May 18, 2018, 05:54:43 AM
Noby

As usual you are rude (that is your style and mentality) and you call me IDIOT . . .

Rich words coming from the forum guttersnipe. While I do not think you are an idiot you make so many assumptions that your postings are often meaningless rambles from a semi senile Greek.

What I am curious about who has benefited from a 'divided' Cyprus?

Certainly neither the local Greek population and to me it seems the imported Turkish population. What is sort of sad is that there seem to be mineral rights but I doubt either local population will benefit from this wealth.
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: AvHdB on May 18, 2018, 06:24:15 AM
Wiz, Somewhere you posted a vignette of visiting a friends property that is now on the Turkish side. Both an interesting and amazing report. Where is that post?
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 18, 2018, 04:39:46 PM
Noby

As usual you are rude (that is your style and mentality) and you call me IDIOT . . .

1) Rich words coming from the forum guttersnipe. While I do not think you are an idiot you make so many assumptions that your postings are often meaningless rambles from a semi senile Greek.

2) What I am curious about who has benefited from a 'divided' Cyprus?

3) Certainly neither the local Greek population and to me it seems the imported Turkish population. What is sort of sad is that there seem to be mineral rights but I doubt either local population will benefit from this wealth.

1) Every time you make a post you cannot resist to make snite personal remarks and you expect me not to retaliate accordingly?

2) Read post 17

3) The large oil companies, IsraHell (RoC is co-operating with Israhell for the LNG) and peanuts for the Cypriots......North and South.

I don't remember in which post.... search my posts to find my comments.

 :smokin:
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 18, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
As Wiz enjoys his fantasies - rather than deal with his fondness to 'attack' anyone pointing out his howlers- we can take this opportunity to help others who might bring their FSU partner to Cyprus and mock Wiz' 'assertions'..

SC was on a 90 day RoC tourist visa and her last day was yesterday. I have already explained that Russians can get a visa in less than an hour -online.

She spend most of her time in the 'north' - where she also got 90 days - each time she re-entered by car - from the 'south'

She could have stayed in (or left Cyprus via )  the 'north' - but that would have meant her appearing to  'over-stay' - as far as the RoC ('south') were concerned. She left for Moscow ( Ural Air) from LCA - for £37 Pounds - *I* drove her there in the 'north' registered car and am 'sofa-surfing' [ ;) ] - staying with a Greek Cypriot - who is a geek  and lives in the mountains... (I'll now have a Cyprus IP address, Wiz)

Today, I'll cross to the 'north' - EU citizens have freedom of movement and CAN enter via the 'unrecognised' ports of the north and go south - unlike Russians / Ukrainians / Belarusians - unless accompanied by their husband or civil partner.

Poor ol' Wiz and his conspiracy theories and 'counter-viewpoints' ...   The FACT is that Greece - whether a 'puppet' of the CIA - or not ... I highly doubt that the CIA / Mossad controlled all aspects of Greek politics  - simply can't deal with the FACT that Greece - meddled militarily - in Cyprus and ended up screwing up the island - leaving 'Greeks' killing each other and then Sampson's thugs turned on the TCs ...  resulting in .... Turkey arriving.

I shall pass his 'Radar dome' on the Troodos mountains, today - and will post a photo - plus my car insurance / road tax for the RoC - post a photo - clearly showing me in ....Cyprus  :chuckle:



It is v. early here and the flipping Peacock announced the sunrise some time ago

Last night, we ( Paris and I ) went to a Slovak restaurant in Pera-Pedi - 3km from where I'm staying - in Kollani - it's called Neromylos and has been open at least 20 years - They make fine Goulash with Deer meat (Venison) ... We came late - so just had a Slovak Pilsner - on draught and Cyprus ( Turkish ) coffees ...  Skieto  -  I paid on my Paypal Mastercard .. it was £8,97 (UK)

Poor ol' Wiz....  busted, for making it all up .... AGAIN


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Makarious was indeed spirited away from Cyprus - by the Brits...  I'm sure 'we' had something on him to persuade him to agree to the 1960 independence terms.. power-sharing and retaining the status of the UK bases. ... but won't it have been 'easier' for the callous Brits to let him die ?   Another Wiz 'theory' busted.... 

It is now 0625 and EVERYONE is up - apart from me ... Paris has a Vietnamese 'helper' and she has enlisted the help of another guy from her country to built a wall ...they were working in 37C, wearing coolie hats - she was making cement - when I arrived, yesterday !

Paris is disabled - but it never ceases to amaze me how in the 'north' Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Africans are the people doing shitty jobs and in the 'south' it's  Sri Lankans and more latterly, Vietnamese ..








Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 18, 2018, 09:35:33 PM

What I am curious about who has benefited from a 'divided' Cyprus?


Ironically, for all their 'screaming' - I believe the Greek Cypriots Orthodox Church is THE most happy to have few 'Muslims' in everyday society.  They, more than any other section of society - have influenced GCs to vote 'no' to compromise and hold back Cyprus

 

 
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on May 19, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
As Wiz enjoys his fantasies - rather than deal with his fondness to 'attack' anyone pointing out his howlers- we can take this opportunity to help others who might bring their FSU partner to Cyprus and mock Wiz' 'assertions'..

SC was on a 90 day RoC tourist visa and her last day was yesterday. I have already explained that Russians can get a visa in less than an hour -online.

She spend most of her time in the 'north' - where she also got 90 days - each time she re-entered by car - from the 'south'

She could have stayed in (or left Cyprus via )  the 'north' - but that would have meant her appearing to  'over-stay' - as far as the RoC ('south') were concerned. She left for Moscow ( Ural Air) from LCA - for £37 Pounds - *I* drove her there in the 'north' registered car and am 'sofa-surfing' [ ;) ] - staying with a Greek Cypriot - who is a geek  and lives in the mountains... (I'll now have a Cyprus IP address, Wiz)

Today, I'll cross to the 'north' - EU citizens have freedom of movement and CAN enter via the 'unrecognised' ports of the north and go south - unlike Russians / Ukrainians / Belarusians - unless accompanied by their husband or civil partner.

Poor ol' Wiz and his conspiracy theories and 'counter-viewpoints' ...   The FACT is that Greece - whether a 'puppet' of the CIA - or not ... I highly doubt that the CIA / Mossad controlled all aspects of Greek politics  - simply can't deal with the FACT that Greece - meddled militarily - in Cyprus and ended up screwing up the island - leaving 'Greeks' killing each other and then Sampson's thugs turned on the TCs ...  resulting in .... Turkey arriving.

I shall pass his 'Radar dome' on the Troodos mountains, today - and will post a photo - plus my car insurance / road tax for the RoC - post a photo - clearly showing me in ....Cyprus  :chuckle:



It is v. early here and the flipping Peacock announced the sunrise some time ago

Last night, we ( Paris and I ) went to a Slovak restaurant in Pera-Pedi - 3km from where I'm staying - in Kollani - it's called Neromylos and has been open at least 20 years - They make fine Goulash with Deer meat (Venison) ... We came late - so just had a Slovak Pilsner - on draught and Cyprus ( Turkish ) coffees ...  Skieto  -  I paid on my Paypal Mastercard .. it was £8,97 (UK)

Poor ol' Wiz....  busted, for making it all up .... AGAIN


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/827/42202202681_ae0390034d_z.jpg)

Makarious was indeed spirited away from Cyprus - by the Brits...  I'm sure 'we' had something on him to persuade him to agree to the 1960 independence terms.. power-sharing and retaining the status of the UK bases. ... but won't it have been 'easier' for the callous Brits to let him die ?   Another Wiz 'theory' busted.... 

It is now 0625 and EVERYONE is up - apart from me ... Paris has a Vietnamese 'helper' and she has enlisted the help of another guy from her country to built a wall ...they were working in 37C, wearing coolie hats - she was making cement - when I arrived, yesterday !

Paris is disabled - but it never ceases to amaze me how in the 'north' Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Africans are the people doing shitty jobs and in the 'south' it's  Sri Lankans and more latterly, Vietnamese ..

Moby

Finally you start doing, what I had requested from you in the first place, a travel report!

Of course I will never have any objection if you provide "Legal" ways to other people on how to bring or meet their "women".

When STE advised me on how to bring my (now) wife for 10 years, via the Directive 2004/38/EU, openly acknowledged and thank him  but you are an ungrateful sod and you never said thanks or appreciated my advice about the directive, which I acquired, thanks to Ste and gave it to you during our private telephone call!. I am sure you will come out, again, with plenty of excuses ... to prove that you are a devious and ungrateful sod.... Never mind  (:)

In my previous post on No 8 & 9, I have given you plenty of information and apportioned the blame to the New Junta. Here some more Info.

When the Junta of the 21 April 1967 came to power, the ex king Konstandinos II,  appointed PM
K. Kollias and it was him who negotiated the recall back to Greece of the 5000 Greek Army (ΕΛΔΥΚ),which was stationed in Cyprus, under the agreement and treaty of the 1960. In his examination in the Parliament Committee, he admitted that he did it under pressure from the US Minister Syrous Van and Kissinger and orders of G. Papadopoulos.

When the first invasion took place (Attilas I) the remained Greeks and Cypriots resisted and the Turks only managed to occupy 3 km land from the beach, but when the New Junta of Ioanidis failed and replaced by K. Karamanlis the Turks continue with the second invasion (Attilas II) and took over half of the Cyprus Island.

The withdrawal of the Greek Division from Cyprus ELDYK (5.000), by the decision of the dictator Papadopoulos, resulted in the weakening of the defense capabilities of Cyprus and thus decreased any chances of success from any aggressive action by Turkey, impacted negatively on the morale for Greek / Cypriots. In December 1967, the departments of the Greek Division began to gradually withdraw and completed in January 1968, so commence the plan of the USA and UK to divide the Island.

As about the British and USA involvement.... I can write you several pages, if you wish.

When I first visited Cyprus, at Xmas 2003, I went up to the dome with a relative from Nicosia and played snow war..... and then went back to Paphos and swim in the warm sea.

Only post photos, as a travel report because I know you are in Cyprus....... :nod: ;D

Finally

It is pretty obvious that a small country like Greece and Cyprus cannot resist foreign interventions, in Greece first the British... since 1829, then short time Germany and back to British.

After 1944 the PM Churchill instigated the civil war and reinstated the exiled King George. In 1947 the USA got involved, as GB could not afford the cost for the fight and ever since the "SYSTEM", all Greek politicians of any colour were always subordinate to the USA power, which was not difficult to achieve as all of them think about themselves and co-operate. Now we have a Supposedly left (socialist) Government who has sold everything to the Germans...... Greece has become a failed state and only a REAL popular revolution (like the French one) can save its Sovereignty and existence.

 >:(


Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 19, 2018, 11:16:56 PM
Wiz, that was a lot of words - and as usual - omitted much of any factual substance.

1/ I did not seek - nor ask for your 'advice' re the EU Directive that allowed us to bring in our Wives..  After you ( unwanted) stuck you nose in my helping N from Minsk to have her name removed from a 'scammer directory' by a jilted Scot - I realised you couldn't understand NO - when offering 'assistance' that was neither asked for - nor required.   You made matters worse - in that case, too

2/ This is 'my' chosen thread and I started it as some sort of guide to single folks - pointing out why CY is an interesting place for FSU folk and westerners, alike..... due to it's British and many other historic influences.    It is only because I lived her before - for a LONG time - that I held off suggesting CY to SC..   Who loves the place...  I'm not writing to indulge you....'sorry'

3/ Fact is...Greece - kicked of the Enosis 'shyte' and ended up with Cypriots dying and the Greeks running away ..when the chips were down.

4/ I note you 'forgot' to apologise for suggesting I was not being truthful - as to my location ...   let alone your ( you are not alone in your daftness ) suggestions as to why I'm here and how ;)

Normal service resumed:

Woke up in a wooden lodge overlooking mountains and valleys and Wiz' 'immensely powerful Brit Radar dome'  - which - if it contains anything - is more likely passive LISTENING kit...

Paris informed me I was going to assist him in an IT project and announced we needed sustenance...   He took me to a local Taverna and I jokingly asked for an Ulster Fry ( similar to an English Breakfast ) and we got this:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/954/27352555957_976ff976ab_z.jpg)

Halloumi Cheese, ( sides of Tomatoes and Olives) Ham, Loukanika Sausages, Fried eggs..


http://www.visitcyprus.com/index.php/en/discovercyprus/food-drink/local-produce/item/327-loukanika-pastourma (http://www.visitcyprus.com/index.php/en/discovercyprus/food-drink/local-produce/item/327-loukanika-pastourma)



Full, we went off to install a clever little smart sensors system at a Winery in the Troodos Mountains....

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/964/41502091544_5ae1e4446f_z.jpg)


In the evening we went to try to eat at the Slovak restaurant - but it was closed ? ((  - So we drove around various villages - as Paris didn't want to eat Cypriot cuisine ! ))....   This is EXACTLY what we did in a village that is now an 'AgriTourist' centre - with houses restored to high standard in a traditional manner.

Paris ate a Vegetarian Mousaka - an item he has asked for to be on the menu and I had Squid ( Kalamari ) and Chips with oodles of Tahini  and a Keo ....  Cypriot 'Pilsner'

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/906/28350855408_5b5a5fe4f9_z.jpg)

SC had arrived safely back in Russia - the evening before - staying at the Domodedovo Guest house I use for stop-overs. ( 3200R incl 2 x transfers to and from the airport)  Andrey - the owner - finally got to meet SC and we rang her to check she was safely home ( our 6 month old Ford Focus - wouldn't start on her return and will be on an Evakuator to be repaired on Monday.. Ford Russia - initially played the shyte cust. service card - forgetting I have the personal contact number of the head of customer service !..I wanted to know she was 'sorted' )   - and to tease her - as the owner of the Taverna played and sang for his guests with his grandkids...  charming ...and it drove her nuts... as she already misses the island ;)



Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 19, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
Ooops !

Wrong video ...Here's' the Taverna one ..

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on May 21, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Cyprus was formed due to the African and E.Europe / W.Asia plate meeting and pushing upwards

The mountains rise straight from the sea - two ranges - north and south - make for spectacular scenery and the southern range - the Troodos - are taller and wider

In the winter snow can cover the tops and one needs winter tyres and can go skiing!

In the mountains, one encounters few Russians - mostly Cypriots and the occasion Brit.

Land is cheap and one can build on 10 percent and only go up 2 stories

SC is torn between living in the north - on the north facing mountains - being close to the coast - or life in the Troodos - lots of space - growing her own veg - swimming in a salt-water pool ))





Title: The Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier: Cyprus Dispute Explained
Post by: Wiz on November 10, 2018, 05:04:38 AM
The Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier
Cyprus Dispute Explained


Moby I came across this video and I hope you will watch it
with open mind and tell us your opinion.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHlHnCwFp5c

Message from the producer of the video, WonderWhy

In this video I look at the controversial topic of the Cyprus dispute, an island split between the Republic of Cyprus and the unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, physically separated by a United Nations peacekeeping force, that has been operating for more than half a century.

The island was temporarily divided between the Greek and Turkish communities in 1964 due to inter-ethnic violence, and the divide became more permanent in 1974 when Turkey invaded Cyprus, responding to a coup by the Cyprus National Guard (organised by the Greek military junta in Athens)

I also look at how Cyprus' strategic position in the world of geopolitics often exacerbated the already existing tension on the island, as NATO used Cyprus as a military base to keep Soviet influence at bay.

I tried to be as impartial as possible, let's try to keep the comment section civil!

 tiphat
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on November 10, 2018, 07:29:16 AM
Please read the tread title, Wiz

Take you political bollox elsewhere
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on December 04, 2018, 01:08:44 AM
Q: Are there any checks when you cross over to the south without Visa?

My T Cypriot  friend told me NO and he is married to a Belarusian woman!

 :thumbsup:

Don't you mean IF you try to cross to the 'free areas' - as referred to by the Rep of Cyprus govt ?

I wouldn't know as it would be foolish to try

Certainly, there are checks as one enters the area of Cyprus under control of the recognised govt - I have now crossed using every point - except the one of the two latest opened on 12th November - Dherynia

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/11/12/new-crossings-to-open-on-monday/  (https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/11/12/new-crossings-to-open-on-monday/)

The British run check points are run by Sovereign Base Area Cypriots of both ethnicities and are efficient - checking the boots of cars - the new check point at 'Lefka–Apliki' is in the middle of NO WHERE and I crossed with a Russian national on our way to collect someone from Paphos and I'm guessing he was the first Russian to cross from 'north - south' - giving the time it took to check

The quickest crossing point is normally the busiest at Metahan / Ayios Dometios - I've noticed Greek Cypriots in RoC cars often refuse to stop to be checked - as they regard the check point as being 'for Turks'

1/ Driving 'south' in a 'north' car requires one to have

1/ The owner'd permission

2/ The car's log book

3/ One obtains RoC Road fund licence - Free- if the above are 'good'

4/ One buys 'insurance' - third party cover for 25 Euro for a month


After we had crossed at the new crossing we passing the Kokkina / Ekinroy enclave - I commend this book to you: https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-battle-of-kokkina/nejla-clements/9781789014518?fbclid=IwAR3Wmc1C_dbTr0mT6l3hM7T89sSkaXZnVFyxFkXZi8QNqUbVWmyhboZmiAo (https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-battle-of-kokkina/nejla-clements/9781789014518?fbclid=IwAR3Wmc1C_dbTr0mT6l3hM7T89sSkaXZnVFyxFkXZi8QNqUbVWmyhboZmiAo)


As we approached Polis - he 'north' hire car went into limp mode at 2000 local and the firm we hired it from refused to answer - so we took a taxi to Paphos international airport, then - luckily - caught the last shuttle to Nicosia  - and lucked in by getting a Black Sea Pontian Greek - who spoke Russian, Greek, AND Turkish -  having lived near the TR border in Greece for 15 years - after arriving from Tblisi as the USSR collapsed

He took us across to the north - removing his taxi sign from the roof for 45 Euro at 130 in the morning

The owner of the car hire firm was hiding and refused to meet me - as I had written demanding a replacement car and our expenses....  HE .. via his 'representative' told us we were responsible for 'repatriating' the car  :chuckle:

After a week of BS I got the bank to refund get my card payment back

Now we hire a 'south' ( Rep of Cyprus ) Car and pay for fully comprehensive insurance

Loads of single FSU W are being  sent back by the Republic of Cyprus if they don't have a return ticket - sufficient funds

Two male Russians came from the UK and Russia and did not have return tickets and were not even questioned ... SC was questioned and the passport control officer asked for my 'visa' ...  I pointed out I was an EU citizen and more info and SC passed through without further ado

The 'north's ' airport will give only 14 days  - but if arriving from the 'south' - the normal 90 days

Best to arrive with one's partner










Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on December 04, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Thanks for all that.... but can you please make clear which airport SC arrived?

North or South?

I understand that you like the Limassol Area, near to "Akrotiri"........ and I guess that is where you spent your time swimming in the sun!

What the hell you were doing at Rauf Denktaş village?

Is that's how you bring your friends (No VISA) to the south?  :chuckle:

Are you planning to stay the winter there or you have to comeback and sign.......?

 :)

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on December 04, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
Thanks for all that.... but can you please make clear which airport SC arrived?

She arrived at Larnaca - in the 'rump' Rep. of Cyprus - 'south'


I understand that you like the Limassol Area, near to "Akrotiri"........

You 'understand' nothing, correctly

and I guess that is where you spent your time swimming in the sun!

We were there today, to attend the funeral of a dear friend

Are you planning to stay the winter there or you have to comeback and sign.......?



Sign - what ?  Divorce documents - all done ...  Our plans depend on many things and don't involve letting you know ;)
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 10:53:09 PM
Photo taken from cliffs above Korion( Curium)  Beach, Cyprus


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4806/46200118851_e3fedda110_z.jpg)

Quote from: wiz

Last time i was there, August 2005, I did not see any fence but you said she was allowed in to visit...... and I disputed .... of course you missed the sarcasm..... and now you mixed Akrotiri with Agia Napa too!

Visit WHERE, Wiz?  What ARE you talking about?

Quote from: wiz
Looking again the photo of SC, it is clear that you were at least 2 miles away from the beach.....

The beach is right below, Wiz .. she's high up on a cliff - Don't you know Cyprus? 

Quote from: wiz
Definitely feel sorry for you as at your age.....it must be hard not getting it for whatever reason..... and I guess probably must be your problem which makes it double harder .  :(

Are 'we' back on sex, again, Wiz ?  Look, I'm much more of a gent than you and I'm not interested in your sex life - if you still have one ... But please do not worry on SC's or my account ;)   

You ARE a strange person - with far too much interest in the life  of someone who REALLY doesn't ask for or need your 'advice' , opinions on personal matters - esp when your are SO inaccurate... 

Quote from: wiz
Yes I know how to use the "Companies House and the Land Registry" web sites  ...... but can't be arsed to find if you sold it or not!

..and yet YOU asked ..... So, you ARE a waste of time and effort and overly nosey  !

Quote from: wiz
Car designer?     .....  :ROFL:

Automotive engineer, car designer ....What IS it with internet saddos who feel the need to guess and fail ?

Title: Waging peace between Greeks, Turks in Cyprus
Post by: Wiz on December 07, 2018, 06:32:47 AM
Waging peace between Greeks, Turks in Cyprus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybYEmp5nKOM


ALSO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJp4QSJmwUY




That is why Moby travels to Cyprus..... to bring peace ......

or the opposite most probably, judging from his behaviour on the boards!

 tiphat
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on December 21, 2018, 06:06:21 AM
Moby

Today I come across this interesting Video about Cyprus
and wonder if it's the same reason your women there
or most probably something else?

Haven't you used the same service in the past?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk8bT0GdcEc

 :laugh: :laugh: tiphat
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on December 21, 2018, 08:33:03 AM
Wiz

just to avoid you wasting your time.

I don't watch the videos you post

As you haven't been to Cyprus in a decade or more - like Russia / Ukraine - nothing you post makes sense.



Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: Wiz on December 29, 2018, 10:53:46 PM
Wiz

just to avoid you wasting your time.

I don't watch the videos you post

As you haven't been to Cyprus in a decade or more - like Russia / Ukraine - nothing you post makes sense.

YOU MAY LIKE THIS VIDEO
About Houses In Limassol Area




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHBSE-Mt7M

Now we have to wait for Stewart to return from Madeira
and approve yours posts!

 :P :P :P
Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on February 27, 2019, 04:38:31 AM
IF you EVER paid attention, you'd know I mentioned Black Knight in my Cyprus thread ..





Am I suppose to know the "Operational Name of your Assignment (s)" ie. "Black Knight" or remember what you have been doing few months ago ????

Black Knight is one of the crossing points into the area of CY currently not under govt control '  :coffeeread:

It is the name the Brits and English speaking locals use


Looks that The North side has gained a few more SQ metres and by doing so has established a De Facto the occupation, contrary to the International Norms.

..and had to give it back...   Your 'news' demonstrates the normal quality of 'info' that you post on here ...

They ( 'The north' ) - did nab more territory in Strovillia (GR) Akyar (TR) that was not returned ... THIS time, international pressure came to  bear

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/02/22/sba-steps-into-strovilia-fuss/ (https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/02/22/sba-steps-into-strovilia-fuss/)

The locals - mainly Greek speaking - had been deliberately avoid the SBA / 'TRNC' checks ....

Title: Re: Why Cyprus is a GREAT place to go with a FSU partner
Post by: msmoby on February 27, 2019, 04:39:00 AM
avoiding, of course