I think that here you are preaching to the choir. I doubt that even Russophobes reading this here would disagree with the point you are making.
Is there a point that you are trying to make?
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Just signed up. Im a eastern Europe/Russia watcher from canada
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?Just signed up. Im a eastern Europe/Russia watcher from canada
;D :biggrin:
So. Do you still believe that Russia has the GDP of Texas or Italy ?
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Yankee no. Close but not yet. Romania , Slovakia and Poland is the closest I've been. Also been to Serbia Bosnia ect.
Now tell me how this is relevent.. :coffeeread:
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Yankee no. Close but not yet. Romania , Slovakia and Poland is the closest I've been. Also been to Serbia Bosnia ect.
Now tell me how this is relevent.. :coffeeread:
Visit Moscow and St. Petersburg and then visit everywhere else in Russia. It's like night and day. All those billionaires and wealth are in two spots. Your impression Russia is rich and the people you talk to impressions are they're not rich are both right and both wrong.
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Yankee no. Close but not yet. Romania , Slovakia and Poland is the closest I've been. Also been to Serbia Bosnia ect.
Now tell me how this is relevent.. :coffeeread:
Visit Moscow and St. Petersburg and then visit everywhere else in Russia. It's like night and day. All those billionaires and wealth are in two spots. Your impression Russia is rich and the people you talk to impressions are they're not rich are both right and both wrong.
That’s wasn’t his point though Billy. It would be like walking through downtown New York then visiting one of the many shit hole towns and cities in the US. GDP OR PPP wouldn’t change.
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Yankee no. Close but not yet. Romania , Slovakia and Poland is the closest I've been. Also been to Serbia Bosnia ect.
Now tell me how this is relevent.. :coffeeread:
Visit Moscow and St. Petersburg and then visit everywhere else in Russia. It's like night and day. All those billionaires and wealth are in two spots. Your impression Russia is rich and the people you talk to impressions are they're not rich are both right and both wrong.
That’s wasn’t his point though Billy. It would be like walking through downtown New York then visiting one of the many shit hole towns and cities in the US. GDP OR PPP wouldn’t change.
Well then we might as well brag how successful china is with their huge economy, GDP and amount of billionaires they have. I doubt most people would consider China a success since MOST people living there aren't successful. Shit holes are in every country. In some countries, it's rare. In others, it's the norm.
The best way to judge success of a nation is watching people vote with their feet. For example. How many Syrians chose to flee to Italy compared to Syrians fleeing to Russia? When people have choices, observe where they prefer to go because they do have an idea on which countries are successful and which are not. The amount of fossil fuels and billionaires living in a country doesn't factor into their decision.
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
Sorry, no.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/russia-refuses-give-refugee-status-syrians-180116095003651.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-an-unwelcoming-place-for-syrian-refugees/3569671.html
Oh certainly. Im not saying that Russians are imperial rich like us. Russia is part of the imperial have-nots. The Anglo axis is the imperial haves. This is certainly true. We earn criminally overvalued imperial currency. Russians have to work for a living.
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?
Yankee no. Close but not yet. Romania , Slovakia and Poland is the closest I've been. Also been to Serbia Bosnia ect.
Now tell me how this is relevent.. :coffeeread:
Visit Moscow and St. Petersburg and then visit everywhere else in Russia. It's like night and day. All those billionaires and wealth are in two spots. Your impression Russia is rich and the people you talk to impressions are they're not rich are both right and both wrong.
I don’t think he was even trying to brag, he was pointing out that it’s in better shape than the west gives it credit for.
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
Sorry, no.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/russia-refuses-give-refugee-status-syrians-180116095003651.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-an-unwelcoming-place-for-syrian-refugees/3569671.html
I am sorry but what is the fault with Russia's reasons?
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?Just signed up. Im a eastern Europe/Russia watcher from canada
;D :biggrin:
Ah a Brit. Britain. The fifth biggest economy in the world. :ROFL: :ROFL:
As they say Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country. Britain is a hedge fund pretending to be a country. :party0011:
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
Sorry, no.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/russia-refuses-give-refugee-status-syrians-180116095003651.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-an-unwelcoming-place-for-syrian-refugees/3569671.html
I am sorry but what is the fault with Russia's reasons?
Those articles don't detail any reasons, just notes that Russia doesn't welcome refugees, as counter to what was stated by Rosco.
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
Sorry, no.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/russia-refuses-give-refugee-status-syrians-180116095003651.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-an-unwelcoming-place-for-syrian-refugees/3569671.html
I am sorry but what is the fault with Russia's reasons?
Those articles don't detail any reasons, just notes that Russia doesn't welcome refugees, as counter to what was stated by Rosco.
Those links talk about Syrians. The truth is that Russia welcomes refugees but they don’t get attractive handouts for their efforts. They’ll be worked and fed but safe. Why are you purposely misleading us?
Belarus is the same but astonishingly the mob headed for Europe. I wonder why?
Those links talk about Syrians. The truth is that Russia welcomes refugees but they don’t get attractive handouts for their efforts. They’ll be worked and fed but safe. Why are you purposely misleading us?
Belarus is the same but astonishingly the mob headed for Europe. I wonder why?
Power Vertical, have you been to Russia? If so, where?Just signed up. Im a eastern Europe/Russia watcher from canada
;D :biggrin:
Ah a Brit. Britain. The fifth biggest economy in the world. :ROFL: :ROFL:
As they say Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country. Britain is a hedge fund pretending to be a country. :party0011:Take a look.....at your Bank of Canada currency......
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/ab/e0/31abe0a9bc243d2685943d1c2083de66.jpg)
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
I doubt most people would consider China a success since MOST people living there aren't successful.
Those links talk about Syrians. The truth is that Russia welcomes refugees but they don’t get attractive handouts for their efforts. They’ll be worked and fed but safe. Why are you purposely misleading us?
Belarus is the same but astonishingly the mob headed for Europe. I wonder why?
Not everybody wants a free handout. Some Syrians are actually fleeing for their life and they prefer to live in a country that give them and their families the best chance to succeed. Many don't have the luxury of choosing where they want to go and hope any nation would take them. In the link below is an interactive map of the people coming and going in this world. If America wasn't so tough on immigration, we'd have a lot more people coming here.
http://metrocosm.com/global-immigration-map/
The Syrian argument is just stupid. They flee to Italy so they can make a relatively easy journey to other European countries who throw money at economic migrants, I mean refugees. Russia welcomes them too but they’d have to work hard for basic conditions. The British government openly posts online how much they’ll pay failed asylum seekers, why would you go to Russia if you’re on the take?
Nothing to do with gdp.
Sorry, no.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/russia-refuses-give-refugee-status-syrians-180116095003651.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-an-unwelcoming-place-for-syrian-refugees/3569671.html
I am sorry but what is the fault with Russia's reasons?
Those articles don't detail any reasons, just notes that Russia doesn't welcome refugees, as counter to what was stated by Rosco.
Those links talk about Syrians. The truth is that Russia welcomes refugees but they don’t get attractive handouts for their efforts. They’ll be worked and fed but safe. Why are you purposely misleading us?
Belarus is the same but astonishingly the mob headed for Europe. I wonder why?
Yes, that was the topic you and Billy was discussing.
According to those articles, Russia welcomes refugees to apply, but only 1 has been given refugee status in 7 years. Many more are given temporary resident status, especially if they can show ties to Russia (family, ethnic history). But once the temporary resident status expires and they try to renew, their applications are not adjudicated. Speculations are due to corruption, internal direction not to process, antipathy, understaffed immigration department, etc. Whatever the reason, the refugees who were originally given temporary resident status, which allows work authorization, are in illegal status and have to take on unofficial jobs at low pay and have to rely on charity schooling for their children.
So, no, Russia does not welcome refugees, for any reasonable definition of "welcome". They do have to allow refugees to apply, as part of the Geneva Convention.
There may be other articles that counter the above two links, but I have not been able to find any. There are more articles stating the same issue - difficulties for refugees in obtaining status to be able to work legally in Russia - for other time periods from the 1990's to 2000's.
To be fair, Manny, I'd doubt that you'd be likely to be in a position, either geographically, or socially, to be seeing too many of China's poor - of which there are many. Also, I'd lay dollars to dim sum that a fair few of the people you met do much as people in Russia and near abroad used to do (and to some degree still do) and spend a large part of their income on looking good while away from their homes and returning to a local version of mud city.
Billy, I agree genuine people do flee war zones. That said, Turkeys safe, then Greece is safe, as is every country the migrant passes through on the way to Germany, the UK or Scandinavia.
Recently, the UK is being invaded with middle eastern asylum seekers fleeing France. Politically, France is a mess but it’s a safe western country. In my opinion, you can’t pick and choose if you’re genuinely fleeing for your life. If you’re looking for a better life then be honest and do it legally and join the queue.
I doubt most people would consider China a success since MOST people living there aren't successful.
I recall reading China has the largest middle class in the world. From my visits there, in the bit I go to, I am not seeing too many in poverty.
Billy, you are getting confused about the meaning of words. Turkey and Iraq might receive a large number of refugees from Syria but those people form only a tiny part of the total of migrants. Not all refugees are migrants, in fact, only a small number of them are, given that a migrant is one making a permanent move. Asylum seekers are an even smaller subset of the people crossing borders to live. One might assume, that most asylum seekers are migrants though.
Of course, now that matters seem to be winding down in Syria a not inconsiderable number of Syrian refugees are returning back home.
I think that you have allowed yourself to be misled about what words mean and, also, further confused yourself by mistaking a specific case (Syrian migrants) for the general case (all people moving to another country to live).
Of course, now that matters seem to be winding down in Syria a not inconsiderable number of Syrian refugees are returning back home.
If Assad stays, many Syrians won't return. If Assad is toppled, many Syrians will return. Syrians themselves don't even know if they are temporarily or permanently leaving their country. No need for a big question mark. Every Syrian who left the country is reported as leaving and living in another nation.
Billy, as I noted, you allowed yourself to be misled. Be proud to be American, you are showing just how well you've assimilated. You are misled as easily as most of them.
But seriously, you can't blame anyone but yourself when you 'get confused' by taking the programing of a propagandist without question. The only ways that you could have written what you did was to be hugely uninformed about the world, to be an unquestioning receptacle of propaganda programming, or to be a dishonest purveyor of that which you know to be untrue - or at the very least intentionally misleading.
As a consumer of other people's words you, we, all of us, have a responsibility to learn enough to be able to question and analyse what we are told. The responsible person, therefore, knows that what you repeated to us was bullshit. Be responsible.
A more accurate report may be the following from the pew research center:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/29/where-displaced-syrians-have-resettled/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/29/where-displaced-syrians-have-resettled/)
Per the report, the #1 nation with displaced Syrian refugees is Syria, with an estimated 6.3 million. Second is Turkey, with 3.4 million, then Lebanon with 1 million. Iraq is half of Germany at 250,000. US is further down at 33,000.
Per the report, the data was gathered from UNHCR data and each countries data in on refugees.
Billy, as I noted, you allowed yourself to be misled. Be proud to be American, you are showing just how well you've assimilated. You are misled as easily as most of them.
But seriously, you can't blame anyone but yourself when you 'get confused' by taking the programing of a propagandist without question. The only ways that you could have written what you did was to be hugely uninformed about the world, to be an unquestioning receptacle of propaganda programming, or to be a dishonest purveyor of that which you know to be untrue - or at the very least intentionally misleading.
As a consumer of other people's words you, we, all of us, have a responsibility to learn enough to be able to question and analyse what we are told. The responsible person, therefore, knows that what you repeated to us was bullshit. Be responsible.
The immigration map is incorrect, because of not focusing specifically on Syrian population dysplasia due to the conflict.
A more accurate report may be the following from the pew research center:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/29/where-displaced-syrians-have-resettled/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/29/where-displaced-syrians-have-resettled/)
And you too were misled by not actually reading what Billy wrote. Look, we all do it, we imagine that we read what we wanted to read, we believe the lies we tell ourselves. I think it is a part of cognitive dissonance but I don't know for sure.
So, go back, read what Billy wrote and then hit me up with your apology. (okay you will likely do neither, but certainly not the latter, it wouldn't fit.)
I think that here you are preaching to the choir. I doubt that even Russophobes reading this here would disagree with the point you are making.
I don’t think he was even trying to brag, he was pointing out that it’s in better shape than the west gives it credit for.