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Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine, Belarus & FSU => Dating in the FSU and Other Countries => Topic started by: Omega1982 on March 22, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
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Not many men posting here about meeting/dating Soviet women. It's a shame its not what it used to be. The fsu is a great place to travel.
Any thoughts?
I actually just returned from a brief trip to Ukraine. I met a local woman, very nice, we had a great time. She is a couple of years older than me, so I'm not sure if this will work out long term, but a very nice woman nonetheless.
On the economic and touristic side, I still found the prices in Ukraine remarkably low. The fsu in general provides for a clean and safe travel experience with an abundance of interesting sights, great infrastructure, beautiful architecture, all at rock bottom prices. I've traveled to over forty countries and this is quite rare nowadays.
So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
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Omega, it might help your success if you stop thinking of The FSU. The Soviet Union closed its doors almost 30 years ago. Any 'Soviet' women are old enough to be your mother and, from what we know of you, these women are not your target demographic.
Try to think of women as people, in a place, the product of their environment - but that environment is not what you think it is.
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Omega
Welcome to the world of an 'andrewfi dressing down '..;)
FSU is still fine to describe a basket of nations in that part of the world.
Andrewfi, wants us to fulfil his prophesy that western guys would still be dating FSU ladies..
The biz model went direct as everyone got connected.
Enjoy the fun of travelling and meeting new people and seeing new places..
FAR more interesting than reading the rants of old gits who serially fail in this game...yet persist in trying to belittle others
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Americans were always the biggest sector of the market.
Americans are not travelling abroad like they once did. Why? Speculation ranges between reduced disposable income and more nationalism under Trump (including continual anti-Russian news pieces).
Also, an American husband is not seen any more in these places as the prize it once was.
A combination of many little things I think.
Andrew did once write a report on the subject, foretelling this. People laughed, yet here we are......
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Not many men posting here about meeting/dating Soviet women. It's a shame its not what it used to be. The fsu is a great place to travel.
Any thoughts?
I actually just returned from a brief trip to Ukraine. I met a local woman, very nice, we had a great time. She is a couple of years older than me, so I'm not sure if this will work out long term, but a very nice woman nonetheless.
On the economic and touristic side, I still found the prices in Ukraine remarkably low. The fsu in general provides for a clean and safe travel experience with an abundance of interesting sights, great infrastructure, beautiful architecture, all at rock bottom prices. I've traveled to over forty countries and this is quite rare nowadays.
So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
I would suggest that the majority here already wear the T shirt..
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Moby, if one were to consistently refer to the United States as being part of the Former British Colonies In The Americas one might be factually correct but receive a well-justified dressing down. A sensible person (and yes, that probably excludes you) would say, with accuracy, that the people of the United States are no any longer defined by their time as being part of the British colonies. So, being sensible people, we do not do it - except occasionally, with somewhat humorous intent.
The same applies with regard to the FSU and referring to women who may well not even have been born during Soviet times as being Soviet Women. The words we use betray the thinking behind those words, this was the point I was making to poor Omega1982.
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Omega
Welcome to the world of an 'andrewfi dressing down '..;)
FSU is still fine to describe a basket of nations in that part of the world.
Andrewfi, wants us to fulfil his prophesy that western guys would still be dating FSU ladies..
The biz model went direct as everyone got connected.
Enjoy the fun of travelling and meeting new people and seeing new places..
FAR more interesting than reading the rants of old gits who serially fail in this game...yet persist in trying to belittle others
A very good description of yourself, WELL DONE... :thumbsup:
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FAR more interesting than reading the rants of old gits who serially fail in this game...yet persist in trying to belittle others
A very good description of yourself, WELL DONE... :thumbsup:
MUAHHAHA Moby PWNED!
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I suspect Men are still going to places all over the world to find
the love of their life. Considering internet dating and its rate of growth
maybe more than ever. I suspect less people are sharing that on forums
for a multitude of reasons. You can read many subjects here that would still
apply and you don't have to subject yourself to abuse in the process.
Far more information is available in more places than ever before.
Sites like this one have turned away from that and towards political conversations.
As always here you will get abused for posting almost anything, most folks don't
see the value in that.
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Could not agree more!
5 or so people who think they know it all debating anything and each other to the point of devalue anyone with a real need for guidance in the dating with succes in Ukraine etc.
Now what was the actual topic of this thread?
Already gone down hill. No advice or help!
So best advice would be find the agencies with direct connections to the girls. Look for Elena Petrova as that will give the clear and real honest way as this forum will not!
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So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
Not so many guys are meeting women and travelling.
Some of us actually live 'here', it is just normal life and very different from the fantasies of vacationers.
Some of us talk about what fantasists will not ever come across, even if they bother to get a passport and a plane ticket.
Finding women is not hard, finding the right woman is harder, but there's no shortage of them. Somebody else made a point about people doing their contacting direct and I think that's probably the case. Given that, it is less likely that we will ever get lots of people sharing their stories because now there will be even fewer making trips because there are very, very few agencies to sell them those trips.
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So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
Not so many guys are meeting women and travelling.
Some of us actually live 'here', it is just normal life and very different from the fantasies of vacationers.
Some of us talk about what fantasists will not ever come across, even if they bother to get a passport and a plane ticket.
Finding women is not hard, finding the right woman is harder, but there's no shortage of them. Somebody else made a point about people doing their contacting direct and I think that's probably the case. Given that, it is less likely that we will ever get lots of people sharing their stories because now there will be even fewer making trips because there are very, very few agencies to sell them those trips.
Some of us didn't see the value in sharing their stories.
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Not many men posting here about meeting/dating Soviet women. It's a shame its not what it used to be. The fsu is a great place to travel.
Any thoughts?
So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
I believe most men find sites like this based on their interest in a FSU woman. I did it and I'm sure many others Googled for the same info. They aren't here for the politics or watching the regulars fight.
I noticed on the forum page that "Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine" threads are near the middle of the page after having to scroll down a bit. I believe if Manny puts that section at the top, it will be easier for newbies to find what they're looking for and they will be more likely to start threads and ask questions about relationships with women, their cultures, travel tips, and even tell their story of where they been and where they want to go. If they can't easily find what they're looking for, they will shop somewhere else. Like you Omega, I'd like to see more trip reports and topics pertaining to dating and marrying an FSU woman.
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Omega, it might help your success if you stop thinking of The FSU. The Soviet Union closed its doors almost 30 years ago. Any 'Soviet' women are old enough to be your mother and, from what we know of you, these women are not your target demographic.
Try to think of women as people, in a place, the product of their environment - but that environment is not what you think it is.
Andrew, the American revolution was twelve generations ago. The fall of the Berlin Wall was one generation ago, it is therefore fresh in people's minds. Perhaps you're old enough to have met George Washington but most people here never even met Nikita Krushev. WE refer to the collective term fsu because of the similarities in economic styles, and their openness to date westerners. Also because it was a phenomenom that happened with the fall of communism in 1989-1991.
You're twisting my post, babbling utter rubbish and ignoring my original question.
Just to get the topic back on track, the original question is what happened to fsu dating and what is it like in 2019? For the western man of course.
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Not many men posting here about meeting/dating Soviet women. It's a shame its not what it used to be. The fsu is a great place to travel.
Any thoughts?
So why aren't there men here posting about meeting women and traveling?
I believe most men find sites like this based on their interest in a FSU woman. I did it and I'm sure many others Googled for the same info. They aren't here for the politics or watching the regulars fight.
I noticed on the forum page that "Dating & Marriage With Women From Russia, Ukraine" threads are near the middle of the page after having to scroll down a bit. I believe if Manny puts that section at the top, it will be easier for newbies to find what they're looking for and they will be more likely to start threads and ask questions about relationships with women, their cultures, travel tips, and even tell their story of where they been and where they want to go. If they can't easily find what they're looking for, they will shop somewhere else. Like you Omega, I'd like to see more trip reports and topics pertaining to dating and marrying an FSU woman.
Thank you Billy. I appreciate the kind words.
I've actually dated in other parts of the world as well and I prefer the fsu. More attractive women, good infrastructure, and good prices really make it a very positive experience. Also the fact that most of the fsu is quite safe. Places like latin America don't have the safety, the good trains, good infrastructure to make dating easier.
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The term FSU is used by many here, because it is used and referenced here
in many topics, maybe it is outdated but it is also in the title of many thread topics here.
I believe many people date more direct and are using social media.
it is the way of the world now. Communication is instant and I suspect
many use dating apps versus dating sites. If the girls don't respond
and interact relatively quickly they just say next and move on.
Life in the 21st century. I suspect women from anywhere learn and
adapt much quicker than most of us give them credit for.
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Moby, if one were to consistently refer to the United States as being part of the Former British Colonies In The Americas one might be factually correct but receive a well-justified dressing down. A sensible person (and yes, that probably excludes you) would say, with accuracy, that the people of the United States are no any longer defined by their time as being part of the British colonies. So, being sensible people, we do not do it - except occasionally, with somewhat humorous intent.
The same applies with regard to the FSU and referring to women who may well not even have been born during Soviet times as being Soviet Women. The words we use betray the thinking behind those words, this was the point I was making to poor Omega1982.
Nice try at selection from our perennially singe 'expert' on dating in the FSU
Omega
Whilst a generation may have grown up in a recently independent nation.. Formerly Soviet..You will have observed the differences to western nations
This forum made a conscious move away from trip reports ..the a more Political theme...highly supportive of Moscow.
It would be great to read of your and other's exploits..
Too many members are fat because they sit on their arses.. criticising chaps like you for getting on a plane and learning by mistakes..
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Omega1982, if you really think that stuff which happened before your interlocutors were born, or at best reached puberty, is fresh in their minds then you have a singular lack of insight into the people you want to stop paying to meet.
Your words betray your programming and any marginally sentient person you accost with a view to a longish term assignation is going to understand you to be a bloke hugely out of touch with those he wishes to associate.
Right now you are as out of touch with the people you target as Donna Brazile, your countrywoman who still refers to Russians a 'those communists'. She has at least the figleaf of never having spent time in Russia or the surrounding countries and, as far as we know, doesn't spend her life trying to have sex with the people living there.
If you continue to see the world with a context that expired almost 2 decades ago then you will continue to fail at having real relationships with real women who want to live in your world. I know real people who were terribly affected by the events surrounding the end of the Soviet Union. Without exception they are much older than you and they absolutely do not live in that past. They have built lives that, while perhaps not exploiting their full human potential, give satisfaction and happiness to them and those they care about. I can't imagine how they might perceive a misguided young fellow as yourself but I think that they'd not be queuing up to introduce their daughters to you.
That you think my comments, based upon what I read here and from my first-hand knowledge is rubbish is sad and unfortunate. Until you can come to an understanding of yourself you will remain a paying tourist.
As for how is dating these days; well, online chat has largely replaced voice calls. We contact through friends, colleagues and meetings made online. We meet, socialise, have sex, argue, fall out and make lives just as it ever was. Apart from Americans paid to be over here, usually wearing a uniform and having a curfew, there's less of you lot than 20 years ago. But then, the need for a Knight in shining armour is pretty much gone - perhaps still a place for them in Ukraine.
Omega, you are not daft, nor are you evil, but we all carry with us patterns of thought and behaviour that reduce our ability to succeed at the things we want to succeed at. The way to attaining desired goals is to learn about the goals, but equally ourselves. That's true of me, it is true of you - but we have different priorities and thus different challenges.
Do not discount what you have read here, it is intended in a positive manner. But just ask yourself this question: why is it that you are, today, no closer to your goals than you were a decade ago?
What needs to change to get you there? Given that other people are attaining similar goals to yourself, every day, do you not think that it is likely that it is not everyone else that is the handicap to your success?
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Andrew I am more familiar with the area than most. How many former soviet republics have you visited? I've been to over a dozen and I've dated in most of them.
Of course I know things are different now than 20 years ago. I fully agree that the dating scene has died out and that Americans are "no longer viewed as a prize" as Manny stated. But it's still a good area to date. Although more difficult and more challenging.
I'm looking for positive comments and good ideas. If you can't offer these then allow someone else to comment.
No need for negativity and bad vibes nor for twisting one's words. Obviously the economy has improved over there and less people are motivated to move and also Americans are more poor. That's a fact. But moving past that, there are still people interested in dating over there. Otherwise what's the point of the forum? Just to bicker and insult?
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I have dated in the FSU for almost 3 years before meeting Lena. Most of this time-gap was because I could not get more vacation days from work.
I believe that if it takes you longer than 5-10 years to find someone (USA doesn't have as generous vacations and cost more to travel) then you're doing something wrong and you need a bit of soul-searching.
Mark.
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Look for Elena Petrova as that will give the clear and real honest way as this forum will not!
She who sold up and retired years ago? (:)
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Look for Elena Petrova as that will give the clear and real honest way as this forum will not!
She who sold up and retired years ago? (:)
No but providing direct links would properly be against forum policy or someone would think I am just here to promote something.
Elena Petrova is elenasmodels and womenrussia websites.
To be a succes in todays world you need to learn from the succes people who has the knowledge to pass on and you don't get that education better than Elena. She is in business somehow as she is promoting dating courses.
She also point out what to avoid and how the industry of letter writing works.
On her website you can start with direct contact for a monthy fee.
As it is if I were to start looking that is one of the better options in my oppinion.
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Americans are not travelling abroad like they once did. Why? Speculation ranges between reduced disposable income and more nationalism under Trump (including continual anti-Russian news pieces).
The economy here is actually doing pretty well, with low unemployment and a lot of firms reporting "Trump dividends". Even the mothership of my employer which did not have a lot of overseas cash to repatriate has been padding our retirement accounts to the tune of a few thousand bucks a year for the past couple of years, in addition to the usual match that they do.
Also, an American husband is not seen any more in these places as the prize it once was.
Depends on the guy. If you are a f*cktard from Arkansas who lives in a trailer park, you are not going to have the same draw you had during the financial crisis. If you are a "normal" with acceptable table manners and who looks "employable", you will do just fine.
B/B
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Omega1982, if you really think that stuff which happened before your interlocutors were born, or at best reached puberty, is fresh in their minds then you have a singular lack of insight into the people you want to stop paying to meet.
Your words betray your programming and any marginally sentient person you accost with a view to a longish term assignation is going to understand you to be a bloke hugely out of touch with those he wishes to associate.
Right now you are as out of touch with the people you target as Donna Brazile, your countrywoman who still refers to Russians a 'those communists'. She has at least the figleaf of never having spent time in Russia or the surrounding countries and, as far as we know, doesn't spend her life trying to have sex with the people living there.
If you continue to see the world with a context that expired almost 2 decades ago then you will continue to fail at having real relationships with real women who want to live in your world. I know real people who were terribly affected by the events surrounding the end of the Soviet Union. Without exception they are much older than you and they absolutely do not live in that past. They have built lives that, while perhaps not exploiting their full human potential, give satisfaction and happiness to them and those they care about. I can't imagine how they might perceive a misguided young fellow as yourself but I think that they'd not be queuing up to introduce their daughters to you.
That you think my comments, based upon what I read here and from my first-hand knowledge is rubbish is sad and unfortunate. Until you can come to an understanding of yourself you will remain a paying tourist.
As for how is dating these days; well, online chat has largely replaced voice calls. We contact through friends, colleagues and meetings made online. We meet, socialise, have sex, argue, fall out and make lives just as it ever was. Apart from Americans paid to be over here, usually wearing a uniform and having a curfew, there's less of you lot than 20 years ago. But then, the need for a Knight in shining armour is pretty much gone - perhaps still a place for them in Ukraine.
Omega, you are not daft, nor are you evil, but we all carry with us patterns of thought and behaviour that reduce our ability to succeed at the things we want to succeed at. The way to attaining desired goals is to learn about the goals, but equally ourselves. That's true of me, it is true of you - but we have different priorities and thus different challenges.
Do not discount what you have read here, it is intended in a positive manner. But just ask yourself this question: why is it that you are, today, no closer to your goals than you were a decade ago?
What needs to change to get you there? Given that other people are attaining similar goals to yourself, every day, do you not think that it is likely that it is not everyone else that is the handicap to your success?
Andrew we met in Estonia in November 2015. Not sure how that is a decade for you.
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I have dated in the FSU for almost 3 years before meeting Lena. Most of this time-gap was because I could not get more vacation days from work.
I believe that if it takes you longer than 5-10 years to find someone (USA doesn't have as generous vacations and cost more to travel) then you're doing something wrong and you need a bit of soul-searching.
Mark.
My first trip was six years ago so hardly a decade. I was in a relationship with three attractive women that all wanted to come to America, but one was emotionally unstable, and the other two did not want to learn any English, did not want to work or study and couldn't even balance a checkbook. I could have easily brought any one of those three and appear triumphant here but I look at things long term.
You guys have to understand that for a man that is 50, there are plenty of 38 year olds that are fit, attractive, well dressed and willing to come over. But I'm 36 and a woman under 30 that is mature mentally, has solid financial goals and is willing to relocate is more scarce.
I do not plan to import a woman older than myself. Women age more than men, and just as in finances I seek the long term.
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Americans are not travelling abroad like they once did. Why? Speculation ranges between reduced disposable income and more nationalism under Trump (including continual anti-Russian news pieces).
The economy here is actually doing pretty well, with low unemployment and a lot of firms reporting "Trump dividends". Even the mothership of my employer which did not have a lot of overseas cash to repatriate has been padding our retirement accounts to the tune of a few thousand bucks a year for the past couple of years, in addition to the usual match that they do.
Also, an American husband is not seen any more in these places as the prize it once was.
Depends on the guy. If you are a f*cktard from Arkansas who lives in a trailer park, you are not going to have the same draw you had during the financial crisis. If you are a "normal" with acceptable table manners and who looks "employable", you will do just fine.
B/B
Typical republican propaganda. But this specific thread is about relationships so let me elaborate my point without getting into politics. It is undeniable that the economy in Russia post 2000 has improved by leaps and bounds. It is obvious in the good cafes, luxury cars, the number of Russian women traveling abroad. In America we went through more than one bad president, a financial crisis and a divided country. There are many Americans that don't even have health insurance or a retirement account. Did we forget the millions of people that lost their homes and jobs in America in 2008? Not everyone has recovered. We, in America were much better off in the 1990's and Russia was a lot poorer in the 1990's. Supply and demand. In 1996 there were more poor Russian women than now and there were more affluent Americans than now. The tables have turned.
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also now American men dating in Russia are competing against Chinese men. I read somewhere how the affluent Chinese men are seeking brides in Siberia.
In 2000 China was less affluent than now. It's all numbers.
Basic economic laws apply here.
You have a resource which is scarce (Russian women willing to relocate) and many people are interested, not just Americans.
So to simply say oh the unemployment rate is low under Trump and I got a $1000 bonus on my 401k is only looking at a miniscule part of the big picture.
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also now American men dating in Russia are competing against Chinese men. I read somewhere how the affluent Chinese men are seeking brides in Siberia.
In 2000 China was less affluent than now. It's all numbers.
Basic economic laws apply here.
You have a resource which is scarce (Russian women willing to relocate) and many people are interested, not just Americans.
So to simply say oh the unemployment rate is low under Trump and I got a $1000 bonus on my 401k is only looking at a miniscule part of the big picture.
Hey Omega,
A woman isn’t something you purchase and neither is love. Women do pick up on that kind of attitude as well.
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also now American men dating in Russia are competing against Chinese men. I read somewhere how the affluent Chinese men are seeking brides in Siberia.
In 2000 China was less affluent than now. It's all numbers.
Basic economic laws apply here.
You have a resource which is scarce (Russian women willing to relocate) and many people are interested, not just Americans.
So to simply say oh the unemployment rate is low under Trump and I got a $1000 bonus on my 401k is only looking at a miniscule part of the big picture.
Hey Omega,
A woman isn’t something you purchase and neither is love. Women do pick up on that kind of attitude as well.
naturally. however no sensible woman wants to marry a pauper and no sensible man wants to marry a woman that is financially irresponsible.
because at the end of the day it is the children that suffer from either mistake.
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also now American men dating in Russia are competing against Chinese men. I read somewhere how the affluent Chinese men are seeking brides in Siberia.
In 2000 China was less affluent than now. It's all numbers.
Basic economic laws apply here.
You have a resource which is scarce (Russian women willing to relocate) and many people are interested, not just Americans.
So to simply say oh the unemployment rate is low under Trump and I got a $1000 bonus on my 401k is only looking at a miniscule part of the big picture.
Hey Omega,
A woman isn’t something you purchase and neither is love. Women do pick up on that kind of attitude as well.
naturally. however no sensible woman wants to marry a pauper and no sensible man wants to marry a woman that is financially irresponsible.
because at the end of the day it is the children that suffer from either mistake.
Agree 100% with that.
It’s none of my business really, just an observation. No need to answer this, but are you only dating 25 year old models and beauty queens? Perfect 10’s who know it and want to “sell” their youth and beauty?
Trust me down to earth 7’s are better!
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Trust me down to earth 7’s are better!
Down to earth 10's are ever better than 7's
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Trust me down to earth 7’s are better!
Down to earth 10's are ever better than 7's
You love your wife, which is why you believe she is a 10.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
Don't think Billy ever wrote that...it was some other lunatics Bee Farmer and another wacko not here.
Surprisingly there are some 7-8's who act more queen like than 10's which I know!
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Look for Elena Petrova as that will give the clear and real honest way as this forum will not!
She who sold up and retired years ago? (:)
No but providing direct links would properly be against forum policy or someone would think I am just here to promote something.
Elena Petrova is elenasmodels and womenrussia websites.
As I said, she sold up years ago and the sites were all bought out. We used to have an advertising arrangement with them and the new owners didnt want to pay their bills to us. I published it, withdrew their ads and offered to sue them and they eventually coughed up.
We used to get Xmas cards from Elena. Do some research, chap.
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
Don't think Billy ever wrote that...it was some other lunatics Bee Farmer and another wacko not here.
Surprisingly there are some 7-8's who act more queen like than 10's which I know!
I have no clue who you’re writing about from a different forum.
Read BillyB’s recent posts on this forum only!
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
I never said that.
Read BillyB’s recent posts on this forum only!
If you believe I said that, help everybody out with providing a link to it so all the divorced people in the world can beat me up.
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
Don't think Billy ever wrote that...it was some other lunatics Bee Farmer and another wacko not here.
Surprisingly there are some 7-8's who act more queen like than 10's which I know!
Why is it that perennially single guys feel the need to post as if they 'can rate' the women they might encounter...and prob never even meet in reality with 'authority' ?
They are normally the posters who are in denial as to who they are or 'were'..
The guys who marry and stay married to their 10's ..Now, at last they can smile at such bollox......and rightly so.
There's not a few here who post.some twaddle about dating / relationships...and it shows...
Then there"s one guy who 'objects' to my living with SC, when still legally married to another...))
Well, at least we can shut him up...
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
I never said that.
Read BillyB’s recent posts on this forum only!
If you believe I said that, help everybody out with providing a link to it so all the divorced people in the world can beat me up.
I can not recall any poster saying what is attributed to BillyB. Perhaps Lord Tiberius but that was donkey ages ago.
For a variety of reasons it is better if one keeps a glass wall between different forums.
NB: A Glass Wall is currently referred to as a Chinese Wall!
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BTW I thought guys who got a divorce were of “poor moral character” or some such you wrote. :laugh:
I never said that.
Read BillyB’s recent posts on this forum only!
If you believe I said that, help everybody out with providing a link to it so all the divorced people in the world can beat me up.
Rosco already called you on your bad attitude towards divorced people.
Edit to add: Search under divorce by poster BillyB.
Poka!