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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 08:24:57 AM »
Might also be useful if you could write a tool kit for ILR :biggrin:

Right after you review the UK visa topic. :prophead:

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 11:34:43 AM »

ILR is a lifetime visa and Russian passports only last 5 years, so this kinda makes sense.


Starting from March 1, 2010, newly issued Russian travel passports with micro-chips will last for 10 years, and have 48 pages instead of 36.

http://www.garant.ru/news/216751/

http://www.transday.ru/news/tour/13110-zagranpasporta.html

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 04:16:10 PM »
Update:

http://news.mail.ru/politics/3447657/

Previously the travel passport costed for RF citizens 400 roubles... now 1000  :snivel:

Biometrical passport for 10 years costs 2500 roubles  :snivel:
Leaving Russia is not an emigration, rather an evacuation.


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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 11:42:22 PM »
Update:

http://news.mail.ru/politics/3447657/

Previously the travel passport costed for RF citizens 400 roubles... now 1000  :snivel:

Biometrical passport for 10 years costs 2500 roubles  :snivel:

And if you converted the cost of a UK passport into Roubles it would cost 3875

lasts for 10 years too!!!!
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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 01:07:47 AM »
Update:

http://news.mail.ru/politics/3447657/

Previously the travel passport costed for RF citizens 400 roubles... now 1000  :snivel:

Biometrical passport for 10 years costs 2500 roubles  :snivel:

And if you converted the cost of a UK passport into Roubles it would cost 3875

lasts for 10 years too!!!!
You're lucky you have 10 years passports at least... We only have 5 years ones and those will set you back around EUR 45,- as well (depending on where you live, cities can decide their own price for passports :D)

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 02:18:14 PM »

ILR is a lifetime visa and Russian passports only last 5 years, so this kinda makes sense.

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The above is a misconception. ILR confers on a person leave to remain in the UK for an indefinite period, it is not a 'lifetime visa'. If someone with ILR leaves the UK for an extended period (2 yrs or so) they do not have an automatic right of entry on their return. He or she will have to demonstrate to the IO on entry that that their conditions on which they were granted ILR haven't changed or entry could be refused.
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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2011, 03:42:30 AM »
Sparky and I thrashed this out on the phone earlier today. I think I have my head around it now.

For travel to Russia, disregard the UK passport for all intents and purposes is the answer.

Our wives will have both a UK passport and a Russian passport with ILR in it. Either/both allow entry to the UK.

  • Book flights in the name on Russian passport
  • Leave UK on Russian passport (as that is the only one that allows entry to Russia)
  • Enter Russia on Russian passport.
  • When leaving Russia, this is also done on the Russian passport. The requirement to demonstrate right of entry to the destination (UK) is done using the ILR visa* not the UK passport.
  • Once you have entered the UK, you can either use the Russian passport with ILR and fill in the usual landing card or whip out your shiny UK passport and drift through with the locals. (Border guards do not know what name you flew in.)

From what I have read, an ILR is valid if presented in an expired passport in conjunction with a current passport (that hasnt got ILR in it). ILR is a lifetime visa and Russian passports only last 5 years, so this kinda makes sense.

That said, a cunning Russian border guard would just love to make a big deal out of this IMO. The answer to that is pay the Home Office another £150 to duplicate the ILR in her current Russian passport.

Just to keep this thread running as it is also being discussed here a little, my wife and daughter have just applied for British Citizenship, so hopefully in a few months time she/they will be able to do the same, the only difference here is that both will now have one name in all passports as Ira changed hers at our wedding and we changed Nata's last year to mine, should make life a little easier.

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 12:02:04 AM »
How has all this worked out in practice? Does Russia allow dual nationality?

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 10:59:25 PM »
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Does Russia allow dual nationality?

Yes. However it is important for a Russian passport holder to know that they are required to enter/exit Russia using their RUSSIAN passport no matter if they have a passport from another country.

To clarify, here is a section from the US Embassy website:

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Persons in Russia are subject to Russian laws and procedures. Persons who are citizens of both the United States and Russia should be aware that, while U.S. immigration law requires Americans to use U.S. passports when entering or leaving the United States, Russian law likewise requires Russian citizens to use Russian passports to enter and depart Russia.

There have been several instances in which U.S. citizens who also have Russian citizenship have entered Russia using their Russian passports, but then could not leave as planned because their Russian passports had expired during their stay in Russia, or because they lost their Russian passports. Since these travelers had not obtained Russian entry/exit visas in their U.S. passports, Russian authorities did not permit them to depart using their U.S. passports.

It can take several months to obtain a new Russian passport in order to satisfy Russian requirements for departure. Dual citizens who plan to enter Russia using their Russian passports should make sure that their Russian passports will be valid for their entire stay in Russia.

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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2012, 11:05:14 PM »
Last month, when my wife and I crossed over from Latvia into Russia, we had to show our passport to exit the Schengen zone. My wife gave her Canadian passport (the one she used to enter into Europe) and then gave her Russian border 30 meters farther at the Russian passport/border control station.
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Re: Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2014, 04:26:46 AM »
Sparky and I thrashed this out on the phone earlier today. I think I have my head around it now.

For travel to Russia, disregard the UK passport for all intents and purposes is the answer.

Our wives will have both a UK passport and a Russian passport with ILR in it. Either/both allow entry to the UK.

  • Book flights in the name on Russian passport
  • Leave UK on Russian passport (as that is the only one that allows entry to Russia)
  • Enter Russia on Russian passport.
  • When leaving Russia, this is also done on the Russian passport. The requirement to demonstrate right of entry to the destination (UK) is done using the ILR visa* not the UK passport.
  • Once you have entered the UK, you can either use the Russian passport with ILR and fill in the usual landing card or whip out your shiny UK passport and drift through with the locals. (Border guards do not know what name you flew in.)

From what I have read, an ILR is valid if presented in an expired passport in conjunction with a current passport (that hasnt got ILR in it). ILR is a lifetime visa and Russian passports only last 5 years, so this kinda makes sense.

That said, a cunning Russian border guard would just love to make a big deal out of this IMO. The answer to that is pay the Home Office another £150 to duplicate the ILR in her current Russian passport.

On return from Russia this Summer, the UK Immigration Officer told us that irrespective of of what passport wifey had to show to get in and out of Russia, on re-entering the UK she must show her UK passport as she is now a UK citizen.

The Russian border guards don't check visas for the destination country, this is done by the airline at check-in/bag-drop, so I don't see a problem here. Certainly we didn't have a problem showing wifey's expired Russian passport with her ILR visa as well as her current Russian passport to the airline desk. We had to do it this way as her Russian passport is in her former name and her UK passport is in her new married name, hence the ticket name was in her former name to match her Russian passport. She then gave her current Russian passport and boarding pass to the Russian border guard who stamped both the passport and the boarding pass. If both passports have the same name, then there is no problem at all, just show the UK passport at the airline desk and Russian passport and boarding pass to the Russian border guard.


 

 

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