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"Sex pats" discover Ukraine's alluring women
« on: June 12, 2009, 01:14:09 PM »
KIEV, Ukraine -- In the early summer evenings you see them individually and in groups: foreign men, of all ages and nationalities -- ex-Soviet, European, North American, Middle Eastern and African. They sit in the outdoor cafes that adorn Kiev's winding central streets, or patrol about the main Independence Square like guerrilla squads. At night they pack the discos and restaurants and bars.



Some of them study and work here. Others have come to take in the architecture, history and museums of this breathtaking Eastern European capital, or are on their way to a vacation in one of the picturesque outlying towns.

Many, however, have a less exalted purpose in mind: to meet women. And the more the better.

It's called sex tourism, and the practitioners "sex pats" -- a play on the word expat or expatriate. The phenomenon is all-too-common throughout the world, including in South America, Asia and Africa.

Now it seems that it has arrived in the former Eastern Bloc with a vengeance.

Riga, Prague and Krakow have been overrun by the planeload, aided by budget airlines like Ireland's RyanAir. The men are lured by perceptions that the pickings are easier than at home, whether because of reported liberal attitudes, a possible preference for foreigners or difficult economic circumstances among the local population. And that thanks to their anonymity, they can behave as boorishly as they want.

Ukraine, where the women pride themselves on their beauty and femininity, has become one of the most popular destinations. ("What country has the most alluring women?" is a favorite and legitimate conversation topic here -- pondered by men and women alike. Any answer other than "Ukraine" usually elicits disappointment or even outrage.)

The stag parties that have blighted other Eastern European cities -- drunken, rowdy and often British hordes who accost locals and regularly expose themselves -- thankfully have not arrived here. But a multitude of other parties have.

For many, the purpose is straightforward enough: find a girlfriend or even a wife. (Western Internet introduction and marriage sites, with names like "Ukrainian Brides," are a worldwide business that rakes in the millions, if not billions.) This often bleeds into a quest simply for easy sex -- often among the marriage agencies, where men abuse the service, trying to meet and bed as many women in their short stay here as possible.

Unsurprisingly, prostitution has by all appearances metasized, and with it a host of other ills. According to the International HIV/AIDS Alliance in Ukraine, the country has the one of the highest HIV rates in Europe, and for the first time last year, infections through sex exceeded those from drug injection. Human trafficking for the sex trade also remains a chronic tragedy, though no official figures exist to pinpoint whether it is actually rising or remaining constant.

Anna Hutsol of the organization "FEMEN" wants to change all this. For a year, she and her group of activists have carried out a series of eye-catching demonstrations -- for example, parading around the city in skimpy and provocative clothing to attract attention, and then handing out fliers to expatriate men, informing them that, among other things, prostitution is illegal in Ukraine.

"We are certain that the aim of your visit to our country is absolutely decent," one flier says. "Unfortunately ... your compatriots come to Ukraine to get easy sex using the fact that Ukraine girls are poor, unprotected and naive."

FEMEN strives to add teeth to laws against prostitution. At the moment, sex workers and pimps pay a a fine (although very small), while clients are left alone. The organization would like to see sex tourism defined in the legal code and clients punished as well, and possibly deported from the country. Recent anti-prostitution legislation was introduced at the beginning of the year, but so far has languished, Hutsol said.

Ultimately, FEMEN wants to change how all foreigners regard Ukrainian women, who suffer from an association with the sex trade throughout Europe, as well as how Ukrainian women view themselves.

"The basic problem is that we lack emancipation," Hutsol said. "Men take care of us economically -- men provide everything. Very few women see any kind of independent future."

On a recent Friday night, Hutsol and her cohorts conducted a major action under Kiev's central monument. German electronic-music celebrity DJ Hell provided the sounds for a mini rave, while dozens of college students paraded in avant garde fashion from local designers. At the end, a group of protesters, dressed only in bikinis, held up a banner and shouted, "Ukraine is not a bordello!"

Many young women among the hundreds of onlookers supported FEMEN's message that foreign men should also appreciate Ukrainian culture and history, and that it was insulting when they spent their days simply chasing introductions.

The majority of those questioned, however, said that the foreigners were in general very respectful, and in many cases better behaved than their own male population. Many said that they had foreign friends and boyfriends, and that men would not come here if local women were not themselves interested in meeting non-Ukrainians.

"We love you all very much," said Yana Pashchits, 19, a student, who was participating in the fashion show. "We want you to come here."

Nevertheless, FEMEN's message was lost on some of the crowd.

Three Danish 30-year-old professionals happened upon the action, just three hours after arriving in Kiev for a long-weekend. "This is what it's all about," pointing to one of their number's T-shirt, which read, bluntly, "I Love Ukrainian Girls," and staring at the half-dressed beauties parading around him. However, when told what the demo was actually for, and that they were in fact being interviewed for a Western publication, they insisted that they had not come just to meet women.

But Rasmus Anderson, a product manager, added, almost as an afterthought: "You have to agree that there are some very pretty girls here."



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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 04:09:20 PM »
Manny, I like that phrase in the article "Many young women among the hundreds of onlookers supported FEMEN's message that foreign men should also appreciate Ukrainian culture and history, and that it was insulting when they spent their days simply chasing introductions". I'm assuming that in your book you devote at least a chapter if not more to the culture and history of the FSU.  ;D

Being an educated Canadian lad I'm sure this is why Donny hasn't found his true love in all his trips to the former FSU, he has spent too much time studying the culture and history of the FSU and not enough time chasing the women of the FSU. :ROFL:
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 04:21:55 PM »
It just shows how "over-fished" Ukraine is. Again, good luck finding your other half in Ukraine  :duh:

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 08:00:35 PM »


Being an educated Canadian lad I'm sure this is why Donny hasn't found his true love in all his trips to the former FSU, he has spent too much time studying the culture and history of the FSU and not enough time chasing the women of the FSU. :ROFL:

 :chuckle: :chuckle:

Pardon me miss, can you direct me to the museum?  ;D


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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 08:50:14 PM »
I'm assuming that in your book you devote at least a chapter if not more to the culture and history of the FSU.  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 10:00:31 PM »
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Ukraine's other crisis: Weak currency, cheap flights spur 'sex tourism'
In a country hit hard by economic downturn, the industry is expected to double to $1.5 billion this year.


Kiev, Ukraine - When Tonya came to Kiev (Kiev) from her small hometown in western Ukraine to study, it was a route out of the dreary provincial life she had grown to hate. She struggled to make ends meet. Her parents, with a combined monthly income of around $200, were hardly in a position to help fund her studies.

Tonya feared she would have to give up and return home. But then she found a way to stay: selling her body to foreign men.

"My choice was to work as a prostitute or go home," she says, glancing around nervously. "I would never have done it but for the circumstances. I don't want to work as a prostitute, but I need to get an education so I can get a decent job."

Tonya is one of thousands of women who are part of an industry that has boomed in Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991: sex tourism.

The problem is already so acute that Yuriy Lutsenko, Ukraine's interior minister, declared on national television earlier this year that "The country is becoming a paradise for sex tourism before our eyes."

And with the economic crisis hitting Ukraine harder than most countries in Europe – unemployment has soared by more than 50 percent in the past year – rights groups are concerned that desperation is causing more women to make decisions like Tonya's.

"The problem was bad before the crisis, but now it's booming," says Anna Hutsol, head of the nongovernmental women's rights group FEMEN.

Ms. Hutsol says that foreign men are taking advantage of the fall of the national currency, the hryvna, which has lost around 40 percent of its value against the dollar and the euro since the start of the crisis. They are also attracted by the visa-free regime for US and EU citizens introduced in 2005, and the advent of cheap flights from EU countries.

Police predict doubling of sex industry to $1.5 billion

The number of visitors to Ukraine has surged in recent years – last year alone saw an increase of 2 million – and although there is no way of tracking them, both the authorities and rights groups note that the number of sex tourists is mushrooming.

A police estimate in February forecast that the sex industry is set to more than double in value, going from $700 million in 2008 to $1.5 billion this year.

Some hotels are, as Hutsol puts it, "basically brothels" – last year saw two concierges arrested at two of the city's elite hotels for allegedly helping guests find prostitutes. Dozens of websites play on Ukrainian women's reputed beauty, advertising girls with price lists for the "services" they offer as well as testimonies from clients. They also offer tips to get girls past hotel security late at night.

Many websites peddle the myth that prostitution is legal in Ukraine. It isn't, but punishment is meted out only to prostitutes themselves – not clients – in the form of fines ranging from $6 to $30. A bill introduced in parliament in February proposing fines for clients was quietly dropped.

"No one cares about us," says Tonya. "What I'm most frightened of is that it will never end."

More subtle forms, too

Not only do the police lack the legal means to tackle the problem, Kiev's police chief charged this past winter that some also provide "cover" for prostitutes and brothel owners.

"We have information that [brothels] are 'protected' by police officers," said Vitaliy Yarema in December. "When you drive along the street and see prostitutes, I am sure that this is impossible without [the help of] the police."

There are concerns that the authorities are not taking the problem seriously. Mykhailo Andrienko, head of the interior ministry's department for combating human trafficking, says that "statistics show" that prostitution is on the wane because potential clients can't afford to pay. He declined to give specific figures, and added that sex tourism "is not as big a problem as people think."

But Hutsol says prostitution is not limited to those advertising themselves as such.

Visit any one of the bars and clubs in downtown Kiev frequented by expats and the likelihood is high of encountering scantily clad girls.

"It often starts off with a cocktail, then dinner," says Hutsol. "Then, before she knows it, the girl is in bed. She has become a prostitute without even recognizing it herself."

Some haunts are renowned for their "ladies' nights," where women can enjoy free drinks with no men around, before the horde is unleashed later in the evening.

"Foreigners take advantage of girls' poverty and lack of education," says Hutsol, who says Ukraine never experienced women's emancipation. "Why book a prostitute when you can just buy a student a cocktail and promise to take her to Paris?"

2 in 3 young women offered sex by a foreigner

A survey last autumn by FEMEN revealed that an astonishing 67.5 percent of women in Kiev between 17 and 22 had received an offer from foreigners of money for sex. And with the Euro 2012 soccer tournament fast approaching, when thousands of male fans are expected to descend on the country, concerns that the problem is not being taken seriously enough by the authorities or society led FEMEN to take to the streets to draw attention to the problem.

FEMEN, which was founded last year and is mostly made up of students, has organized a number of colorful protests in Kiev's main square, with girls dressed up as prostitutes holding signs in English, German, and Russian reading, "Ukraine is not a brothel," and, "Sex is not for sale."

At a protest on Sunday, the participants ignored catcalls from a group of drunken Ukrainian men.

FEMEN hopes to spread across Europe to raise awareness of the human trafficking that has resulted in Ukrainian prostitutes populating brothels throughout Europe. But for now at least, the group has its work cut out in Ukraine

Yup, it's just another story about ''FEMEN,'' but there are some interesting numbers in there.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 10:10:27 PM »
I'm assuming that in your book you devote at least a chapter if not more to the culture and history of the FSU.  ;D

Folk are directed to Mendy's posts here for culture. It would be impossible to better all he has written.

I think Westy's post was a bit of tongue-in-cheek...  :-X

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 10:21:40 PM »
Those sex-pats are like animals  tiphat
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 10:55:28 PM »
Isn't it like "last year" news and Mirror covered it already to dislike of many?

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 11:07:10 PM »
Isn't it like "last year" news and Mirror covered it already to dislike of many?

Yes, and I bet it will still be news next year.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 11:14:18 PM »


Being an educated Canadian lad I'm sure this is why Donny hasn't found his true love in all his trips to the former FSU, he has spent too much time studying the culture and history of the FSU and not enough time chasing the women of the FSU. :ROFL:

 :chuckle: :chuckle:

Pardon me miss, can you direct me to the museum?  ;D



That's what I mean Voyager.  Donny was probably too busy checking out the new exhibit at the Hermitage, instead of checking out the women of St. Pete. :laugh:
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 11:19:58 PM »
Yes, but perhaps he noticed some of the "round domes" in the scenery...  :evilgrin0002:

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 12:19:43 AM »
Isn't it like "last year" news and Mirror covered it already to dislike of many?

Guerrilla journalism. The authors probably bought the pics from that demo last year or swiped them from the net to try and add a little punch to what is otherwise the same old sensationalist kangaroo ka-ka.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 12:39:46 AM »
 Thanks guys ;D
 But I have never been to Russia, tried a few times but things fizzled. For looking at cultural domes I head to this site.

http://escort-models.kiev.ua/en-index.html

 Smooth gave me the link last month.  :chuckle:

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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 03:25:56 PM »
This was fair and balanced reporting (NOT) >:(

Being as Europe is the land of Machiavelli (Notice the "Ukraina e non Bordello" signs for our Italiano  friends) I wonder how many of those ladies holding the signs up are doing so just to get a "leg up" on their nightclubs competition???

To say a woman in a night club who of her own free will accepts drinks and a dinner from a man and then decides in her vaunted Euro free spirited manner to go back to his room with him is now a Prostitute is the old Feminazi or new Femenazi drivel about all men being date rapists trash.

Watch the movie Taken - quite graphic and very young Parisian tourists women drugged and handcuffed to bunks in a sleazy warehouse brothels while crimalien workers gang rape them is horrific and these girls need to be protected and their traffickers annihilated Liam Neeson style.  But for young women living in the European capital known as a magnet for sincere wife hunters - men who truly want a decent wife and most willing to invest in their ladies educations to help increase future family earning  - and then complain she is a "victim" who had no other options but to turn to selling her body to get through school rings hollow and disingenuous to me - seems she just wants to lay on her back for easy money - everyone has choices in life and makes the bed they sleep in.

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 01:49:52 AM »
A little background on this FEMEN outfit...........

Late last year, as Ukraine started getting seriously hit by the financial crisis, a man in a faux-leather jacket stood on Kiev’s main avenue, Khreschatik Boulevard, strapped into a red-lettered billboard offering "Sexy Ukrainian Women Looking for Love." Next to him on a small table was a folder of pictures of potential "brides." Women walked past, averting their gazes.

Anna Hutsol, a young woman wearing long shorts and high-top sneakers, emerged from the metro stop. She rolled her eyes at the sign before heading to a nearby café.

"People think of Ukraine as this giant brothel," she said. "They can’t tell you about any landmarks or monuments in Ukraine. But they can tell you that there are pretty girls in Kiev who wear next to nothing when it’s summer, and that Kiev’s an easy place to find so-called love."

Hutsol, 24, has cropped, tangerine colored hair. She founded the feminist organization FEMEN last spring to fight the culture of sex tourism in Ukraine. FEMEN organizes its activism via VKontakte, a Russian version of Facebook, and stages provocative protests that have won press attention.

After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1993, Russian mail-order brides became a distressing cliché, but as Russia grew wealthy its women were less reliant on foreign husbands. So foreigners looking for an easy marriage turned to Russia’s neighbor, Ukraine. Traveling there was once a lengthy process involving embassies and visa fees, but in 2005 the nation dropped visa requirements for citizens of the European Union and the United States. Consequently, more than 20 million people visit Ukraine each year, and the capital, Kiev, is now a popular tourist destination.

Unfortunately, one of Kiev’s main tourist attractions seems to be women. When the visa laws changed, Ukraine, once just a notorious source of sex-trafficked women, now became a sex-industry destination as well, a gateway from East to West. Explained one sex worker, prostituted Ukrainian women who had worked in other Eastern bloc countries such as the Czech Republic and Poland then came home. Child pornography also grew more prevalent, since it was now easy to enter this relatively poor country and exploit underage victims, especially homeless children and orphans.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine and difficult to track. Official police reports claim there are 12,000 prostitutes, but FEMEN believes the numbers are much higher. If someone is caught soliciting, a nominal fine is paid. No customers or johns are apprehended. In regional cities, police contact the prostituted woman’s parents, a shaming technique intended to decrease the incidence of prostitution.

But brothels remain boldly unembarrassed. The website of Gia Escorts proudly declares, "Ukraine is now the Sex Capital of Europe! …Ukrainian women are more agreeable, dress more revealingly and are cheaper than Western women. Men from the West can get away with saying and doing things they could never get away with [with] the women in their native countries."

In July of last year, FEMEN organized 30 young women to stand in Independence Square in Kiev carrying signs reading "Ukraine is not a brothel" in several different languages. The most attention-getting part of the protest was that the demonstrators were dressed stereotypically as prostituted women, in tiny skirts, thighhigh stockings and feather boas.

"The Ukrainian newspapers were angry, saying we were creating problems, talking about something that didn’t exist," says Hutsol. "But the Western press [Reuters and AFP] actually looked at the problem for what it was, and only then did Ukrainian papers follow."

The rise in sex tourism has also led to the growth of industries such as child pornography and child prostitution. "I can see a direct correlation between tourism and child prostitution," says Iryna Konchenkova, head of the international nonprofit School of Equal Opportunities in Ukraine. According to Konchenkova, 11 percent of prostitutes are between the ages of 11 and 15, while 19 percent are between 16 and 17: "So I would say 30 percent of prostitutes in Ukraine are underage. …Street kids get attracted to this. They get fed, they get cleaned, they are warm; some think it’s one of the better things that has happened to them." Konchenkova has had many cases where children became upset when they were no longer wanted by pimps: "A 14-year-old girl told me in an aggrieved voice that she was considered too old to work in pornography anymore."

Konchenkova adds that the children’s values are a problem. "When you ask [these girls] where they see themselves in 10 years, they say a nice house, a floor-length dress, an expensive car," she says. "They see Western commercials of luxury life and they want it. At the same time these girls get only threes [C’s] at school, so they must change either their intentions or their attitude towards money."

Women are drawn to accepting "dubious" proposals from traffickers by the desire to make money, provide for families and see other countries, says Katya Cherepakha, the social assistance coordinator at the international women’s rights center, La Strada Ukraine. An exacerbating factor is Ukraine’s relative poverty: The World Bank-estimated average annual purchasing power of Ukrainians is $7,000 per person, compared to $46,000 in the U.S. Women are also misled by lack of information about the true nature of trafficking and deceptive examples of successful emigrants. "Traffickers are getting smarter," says Cherepakha. "They give a piece of true information—about the process of employment, for example—but all the rest of the information is not true." Women who have a lack of familial support or problems at home, such as domestic violence, are especially susceptible to such offers.

In 11 years, La Strada’s helpline has received 38,500 phone calls, 64 percent from people applying for work overseas and checking on how safe a country is. But 4 percent are from people searching for loved ones, and another 4 percent are from family members trying to get help to trafficked relatives, ranging from paying for court cases to getting them to an airport.

Hutsol wishes Ukrainian women would be more suspicious of little-known men making promises of any sort: "My own friends think that if they meet a foreigner they will have the perfect life. …But in reality they meet men, mostly from Turkey, who sleep with them, promise them the world and don’t even leave a phone number. That’s another problem with Ukraine having a reputation for beautiful, available women: Sex tourism isn’t always solely about prostitution."

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2009, 06:44:53 AM »
Femen is a strange organization and probably does more to promote sex tourism than prevent it.  A year ago they got on television in Belgium but not the exposure they wanted.  Showed them protesting in Kiev (hot sexy women dressed like hookers) and 10 seconds of television saying Ukraine is a big sex tourism country.  People I know in Belgium now go there for bachelor parties etc.  They had no idea about the sexy women there until Femen gave them the idea.

Most girls in Kiev are not hookers or bedding foreigners.  Articles facts are way off based.  But many young RW just like young AW have a lot of sex with different men.   If Femen wants to do anything they will use themselves as decoys and pay some local guys to beat the crap out of the sex tourists once they go back to the apartment.  This is happening but I think Femen is not part of it.  More of a new way to make money in Ukraine by robbing them.  Nice little scam - good looking girl, taxi driver, and a couple of young Ukrainian boys.  Not hard to pulloff because the sex tourist cannot go to the police. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2009, 08:32:22 AM »
Most girls in Kiev are not hookers or bedding foreigners.  Articles facts are way off based.  But many young RW just like young AW have a lot of sex with different men.
It seems Urkaine is sex tourism country really - see what is opinion of ukrainian girls? It seems it is common attitude of foreigners.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2009, 01:21:14 PM »
Everywhere there is such tourism. Only in other countries it is special quarters as in Hamburg or Amesterdame. I know the Ukrainian men who had such tourism in London, Paris, on Cuba and in Tajlande.
 Of course, it is a shame for the my  country, :GRRRR: but prostitutes are everywhere, not only in Ukraine. May be in Ukraine the most beautiful prostitutes  :laugh:  and  all go to Ukraine. :travel:
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2009, 08:51:28 PM »
Everywhere there is such tourism.
I actually meant position of western men here. Re-phasing them: You Ukrainian girls just love sex, that's why we come and give it to all of you.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2009, 10:07:16 PM »
Still being a relative newbie here I never thought of Ukraine in this way until I read these posts.
 
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Re: "Sex pats" discover Ukraine's alluring women
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2009, 06:11:12 AM »
Everywhere there is such tourism.
I actually meant position of western men here. Re-phasing them: You Ukrainian girls just love sex, that's why we come and give it to all of you.

Oh American girls like sex too.

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Re: "Sex pats" discover Ukraine's alluring women
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2009, 06:13:46 AM »
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Re: "Sex pats" discover Ukraine's alluring women
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2009, 06:54:27 AM »
Have no fear those FSUW attitudes and outlook that we all know and love are slowly but surely being eroded to become more like their 'western' counterparts.

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