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No visa required
« on: May 16, 2009, 08:08:02 AM »
Note: there is now more current information and a very handy tool to discover where, or where not, a Visa is required. Please use the info found here: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7164.0


Here is an interesting chart showing where ladies can travel with no visa or an easily obtainable visa at the airport.

Mendeleyev principle: To which he will never change because he's right--no matter how many others disagree: To take a girl you hardly know and whisk her off to a secluded romantic place to "get to know her" is counterproductive. Some guys have done it and come away unscathed, but far more in the history of Russian MOB have done it and gotten badly burned.

It is ludicrous to think that a week or two when both are on best behaviour is getting to know someone. The only thing you learn on a honeymoon, which is what that is, is how often the two of you can have sex before becoming exhausted. The romance allows the little head to take over and ignore things the big head would normally see.

Getting to know someone is done in her natural environment to see how she is in real life. A getaway to Greece or Turkey isn't her real life. It short circuits the time you should also spend with her family...something which will become clear to you a few years into your marriage.

Finally it also means that when you do get married you now must "top" the last trip in order for the next honeymoon to feel special.

Okay, done lecturing.

So lets say you know your lady fairly well. You've done multiple trips and you've gotten to know and can interact with her family and they trust you. Or you're planning the honeymoon and will be married in a ZAGS or RAGS. Where can you take her with no visa required or with a visa which can be obtained easily upon arrival?

A Russian expat site I visit often posted this map which I thought our members might find interesting.


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You see two charts. On the left is без визы and the right says визы в аэропорту:

без визы = without visa (none required for travel)

визы в аэропорту = visas at the airport (easy to get upon arrival)

Do you see the little blue circles with the numbers and the letter ч? That is a handy guide to how long the flight will take from Moscow to the destination. Ex: 14ч means 14 hours.

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 08:10:29 AM »
There are countries where she needs no visa and countries where it's easily obtainable upon arrival. 

As we plan to use this as an RUA resource in the Travel section at some point, we need your help with translations. If you have trouble reading the names ask, and if you can read the names, please post in the ones you know by number. #20 for example is the country which our good man and RUA member DonHo visited and wrote an interesting trip report. #57 is Jamaica.

Native Russian speakers please allow our learning Russian speakers to practice.  :)

(Note: The folks who created this chart for some reason gave it 2 #33's so if you know either city please identify if it's #33 without visa or #33 with airport visa.)


без визы (without visa):
1 Abhhazia (Voyager: Disputed breakaway Republic from Georgia.)
2 Azerbijan (Paul)
3 Armenia (Paul)
4 Belarus (Paul)
5 Kazakhstan (West Coast!...hereafter WC)
6 кыргызстан or Kyrgyzstan (WC) 
7 молдова or Moldova (WC)
8 Tajikstan (WC)
9 Uzbekistan (WC)
10 Ukraine (Paul)
11 South Ossetia (Voyager: South is "Yuzhnаya" or Южная in Russian, Georgian disputed province.)
12 Antigua & Barbuda (Paul)
13 Aruba (Paul)
14 Barbados (Paul)
15 Brazil (rhayes!)
16 Bosnia & Herzegovina (Paul)
17 Vietnam (rhayes)
18 Grenada (Paul)
19 Israel (Paul)
20 Cuba (Markje)
21 Macadonia (Paul)
22 Malaysia (WC)
23 Namibia (WC)
24 Peru (WC)
25 Saint Vincent (Voyager)
26 Serbia (Markje)
27 Dominican Republic (Paul) (SS thanks, moved to visa at the airport)
28 Thailand (WC)
29 Croatia (Voyager: sounds like 'Horvatia' in Russian.)
30 Montenegro (Voyager: Чeрнoгория is "Black Mountains" in Russian, translates to "Montenegro.")
31 Sri Lanka (Markje)
32 Ecuador (WC)
33 Venezula (Voyager)

No visa/not on above list and map
A- Haiti
B- South Korea (15 days max for Russian/90 days for American/Canadian citizens)



визы в аэропорту (visa at the airport):
33 Bahrain (Voyager)
34 Botswana (WC)
35 Burundi (WC)
36 Guyana (Paul)
37 Georgia (Paul) Good job on this one Paul, it's pronounced as "GRUziya."
38 Djibouti (Republic of Djibouti)...this one was very hard!
39 Egypt (rhayes)
40 Jordan (Voyager)
41 Qatar (Paul)
42 Comoros Islands (Union of the Comoros) (hats off to WC!)
43 Lebanon (Paul)
44 Mauritus (Republic of Mauritus) (Voyager)
45 Maldives or Republic of Maldives (WC)
46 Malta (WC) (Thanks Manny--Malta now part of Schengen zone, must have visa.)
47 Seychelles (WC)
48 Senegal (WC)
49 Nepal (WC)
50 UAE or United Arab Emirates (WC)
51 Syria (Rhayes)
52 Surinam (Voyager)
53 Tunisia (WC)
54 Turkey (WC)
55 Fiji (The Republic of the Fiji Islands) (Voyager)
56 Ethiopia (WC)
57 Jamaica (Cufflinks)
58 Cambodia (Voyager)
59 Laos (WC)

Not listed on map/Visa at airport
60 Марокко = Morocco (thanks Froid!)
61 Андора = Andora (Thanks to Voyager)
62 Лихтенштейн = Liechtenstein (visitors must have Schengen visa for Austria or Switzerland.)
63 Cook Islands
64 Uganda
65 Tonga
66 Kenya
67 Bangladesh
68 Cape Verde
69 Madagascar
70 Mozambique
71 Togo (7 days max)
72 Bahamas
73 Argentina
74 Nicaragua
75 Turks & Caicos Islands
76 Iran (women without headscarves will be denied a visa and returned home on next flight.)
77 Yemen
78 Cambodia
79 Dominican Republic (SS thanks: visa at airport with $5-10 fee.)

You may find a complete list of countries and the visa requirements for Russian passport holders here.

 


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Re: No visa required
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 08:18:27 AM »
How old is that diagram?  Morocco isn't on it.  Visa at the airport.

Oh sorry...missed the 2nd post. 

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 08:22:47 AM »
Um, Mendy, can you please shrink the map down to 800px wide for those of us with smaller computer screens?.. So we do not have to scroll side to side  :BLUSH: ;D

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2009, 08:28:31 AM »
No problem, there is fluidity involved in FSU visa regimes and this list will hopefully grow so we'll add Morroco at #60. Thanks Froid!


Paul, yes.  :)

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2009, 08:30:12 AM »
Very interesting Mendy, would you happen to know if the same visa rules apply to Ukrainians.
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2009, 08:39:26 AM »
Paul, is that size better? If I make it smaller I'm afraid the letters of each city will blur. Let me know and I can send you a map link if that would help.


Chris, I'm not as familiar with the Ukrainian visa regime. We'll try to find out.

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 09:18:02 AM »
Paul, is that size better? If I make it smaller I'm afraid the letters of each city will blur. Let me know and I can send you a map link if that would help.


Chris, I'm not as familiar with the Ukrainian visa regime. We'll try to find out.

I asked my wife and she seems to think they are about 95% the same.
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 09:19:32 AM »
Here is a smaller version of the map, with the text kept the same size...

edite- nope... posting at 640px for some reason...

edit again...  :'(

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/3536338014_b8869bda1a_o.jpg

Well there are two ways to see it  ::) Why do people have to make this unnecessarily difficult  ::)



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Re: No visa required
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 12:19:12 PM »
Assume 57 spells Jamaica?

Not so bad really 8)

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 03:22:05 PM »
20 is Cuba, 26 is Serbia.

I am happy that I too am learning Cyrillic to such a degree that this task is becoming easy for me.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »
ok ok, 31 Sri lanka, just because I am having fun!
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 03:44:19 PM »
Here is an interesting chart showing where ladies can travel with no visa or an easily obtainable visa at the airport.


Great chart Mendeleyev! I assume it would be almost the same for a Ukrainian citizen?

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2009, 03:51:56 PM »
Assume 57 spells Jamaica?

Not so bad really 8)

Yes, and #58 would be.... Holiday in Cambodia {Don't forget to pack a wife...}  :laugh:

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 04:07:33 PM »
Voyager, I think you might be able to get a Cambodian wife and 2 of her sisters in a standard suitcase.  ;D  Without paying overweight penalties.

Chris's wife says this is very close (95%) of being the same for Ukrainian ladies.

Good job guys! Keep those translations coming!

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2009, 04:17:50 PM »
#15 is Brazil or Brazilia, your choice.
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2009, 04:25:30 PM »
#39 is Egypt.  I'm having trouble finding the Domincan Republic.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2009, 04:35:27 PM »
#17 better be Vietnam. shudder  :sick0012:  I'm done, hope I got them right! Still looking for the Dominican Republic....
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2009, 04:48:19 PM »
Ok, I think the Dominican Republic is missing. The last I knew you did not need a visa there either. I could not find pecnyo*hka anywhere (I know the letters are not russian, best I could do on an English keyboard). Come on guys, get cracking and get the post count up so "Alenika gets her prize"! :)
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2009, 05:29:19 PM »
There are 33 countries where she needs no visa and 27 countries where it's easily obtainable. 

As we plan to use this as an RUA resource in the Travel section at some point, we need your help with translations. If you have trouble reading the names ask, and if you can read the names, please post in the ones you know by number. #20 for example is the country which our good man and RUA member DonHo visited and wrote an interesting trip report. #57 is Jamaica.

Native Russian speakers please allow our learning Russian speakers to practice.  :)

(Note: The folks who created this chart for some reason gave it 2 #33's so if you know either city please identify if it's #33 without visa or #33 with airport visa.)


без визы (without visa):
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20 Cuba (Markje)
21
22
23
24
25
26 Servia (Markje)
27
28
29
30
31 Sri Lanka
32
33


визы в аэропорту (visa at the airport):
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57 Jamaica (Cufflinks)
58 Cambodia (Voyager)
59
60 Марокко - Morocco (thanks Froid!)


5 Kazakhstan
6 Kyrgyzstan
7 Moldova
8 probably Tajikistan
9 Uzbekistan
15 Brazil
17 Vietnam
22 Malaysia
23 Namibia
24 Peru
28 Thailand
32 Ecuador
34 Botswana
35 Rwanda or Burundi (too small to see even with a big monitor)
38 Probably Eritrea
42 Probably Comoros
45 Maldives
46 Malta
47 The Seychelles
48 Probably Senegal
49 Nepal
50 United Arab Emirates (UAE)
53 Tunisia
54 Turkey
55 Vanuatu?
56 Ethiopia
59 Laos

Sorry all the easy ones taken. :laugh:

The island to the right of Cuba is Hispaniola, the western part of the island is Haiti and the eastern and larger part of the island is the Dominican Republic.  I was under the impression that Russian women didn't need a visa to visit DR, has that changed.
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2009, 05:51:38 PM »
без визы (without visa):
1
2 Azerbaijan
3 Armenia
4 Belarus
5 Kazakhstan
6 Kirghistan
7 Moldova
8 Tajikistan
9 Uzbekistan
10 Ukraine
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12 Antigua & .... 
13 Aruba
14 Barbados
15 Brazil
16 Bosnia & Herzegovina
17 Vietnam
18 Granada
19 Israel
20 Cuba (Markje)
21 Macedonia
22 Malaysia
23 Namibia

I could eventually get all of them without looking up the names, it is super easy. If I can do it, and you can't,.. shame on you  :chuckle:

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »
Ok, I think the Dominican Republic is missing.

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Re: No visa required
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2009, 06:07:18 PM »
Ok, I think the Dominican Republic is missing.

#27

Ok, thanks. It just is not spelled like I expected, but then again, I am still learning the alphabet (I hope). Seems a lot harder than what German was to learn, if I remember correctly. :)
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Re: No visa required
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2009, 06:16:33 PM »
Ok, I think the Dominican Republic is missing.

#27

Ok, thanks. It just is not spelled like I expected, but then again, I am still learning the alphabet (I hope). Seems a lot harder than what German was to learn, if I remember correctly. :)

Robert, check out this website to learn how to use Cyrillic letters with a Windows operating system http://www.stanwardine.com/russification.htm It's really easy, and after you do it, you just press alt + shift to switch back and forth from English to Russian.

And check out this website for Cyrillic keyboard stickers http://www.latkey.com/keyboard_stickers.asp?SubCat=5 (don't order blue stickers for a black keyboard like I did when I was trying to learn Russian  ::) ).

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2009, 06:30:56 PM »
Thanks a lot!  tiphat
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