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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 10:54:33 PM »
I think that they have a "few" good ideas. They could do quite a bit more effective
things however. I think much of their stuff was simply fluff.

First it is nearly impossible to stop the "Johns at the border" because you don't know their
intentions ahead of time, you can't look at a mans face and say SEX Tourist .

How do foreign men find Ukrainian sex workers? The sex workers advertise in English language papers and on
the internet and search for them by Google.

I read English language newspapers while in Russia and Ukraine and they had blatantly ran escort advertisements. That is something the young college girls can stop. They can make a big deal out of a Newspaper exploiting these girls for money.

They can search the internet and alert an honest cop about advertisements and he can call these advertisers and make arrests. Or the girls can put in an advertisement themselves and send a policeman to whoever calls their advertisement. This way you stop both supply and demand.

I think the biggest problem they will run into is when organized crime starts to get angry or the police that are paid to look the other way become interested.

I do think however that they can shame the Newspapers into getting rid of the advertisements which would help some.

Just my two kopecks,

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 04:28:31 AM »
Украина- страна дешевого секс-туризма. Это знают уже все и это не секрет! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 


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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 11:18:09 AM »
I think that they have a "few" good ideas. They could do quite a bit more effective
things however. I think much of their stuff was simply fluff.
As I could understand they just try to attract attention to this. Maybe to do some publications to inform people that problem exists, maybe some  movies later. I also doubt that every visitor of Kiev can be  checked to see if he is sex tourist or no.
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 02:27:15 PM »
I think that they have a "few" good ideas. They could do quite a bit more effective
things however. I think much of their stuff was simply fluff.
As I could understand they just try to attract attention to this. Maybe to do some publications to inform people that problem exists, maybe some  movies later. I also doubt that every visitor of Kiev can be  checked to see if he is sex tourist or no.

If they only wish to draw attention to it then I think nothing will be done. But to draw attention to the English newspapers who have advertising will be more effective.

Often young college students only want to see their picture in the paper and then the next day they are more worried about their nails than there demonstration the day before.

When I was there I always read the English newspapers, often I ate breakfast alone and I would read every single word in the paper. I am sure many other English speakers have done the same. Maybe some of those others were not seeking to be sex tourists but seeing the advertisements might have encouraged them.

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 02:35:23 PM »

If they only wish to draw attention to it then I think nothing will be done. But to draw attention to the English newspapers who have advertising will be more effective.

Often young college students only want to see their picture in the paper and then the next day they are more worried about their nails than there demonstration the day before.

When I was there I always read the English newspapers, often I ate breakfast alone and I would read every single word in the paper. I am sure many other English speakers have done the same. Maybe some of those others were not seeking to be sex tourists but seeing the advertisements might have encouraged them.

Is it even illegal in Ukraine? What is the legal status?

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 02:39:19 PM »
They can search the internet and alert an honest cop about advertisements and he can call these advertisers and make arrests. Or the girls can put in an advertisement themselves and send a policeman to whoever calls their advertisement. This way you stop both supply and demand.

Why would you seek to stop supply and demand? If someone wants to sell, and someone wants to buy, why should anyone stop them?

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Or the girls can put in an advertisement themselves and send a policeman to whoever calls their advertisement.

Entrapment?  :D  That is illegal in most civilised countries.
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 02:40:07 PM »
Украина- страна дешевого секс-туризма. Это знают уже все и это не секрет! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: 

I am sure that it's cheap in Russia as well and certainly it's available here in San Francisco for much less money than a plane ticket to Europe.

The District Attorney for San Francisco has decided to not try prostitution cases, so every strip club in the city has also become a bordello. The District attorney is an idiot, none of those places were like that before and because of all the new competition the prices have gone down.

How do I know this? they have had many articles in various local newspapers about it.

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 02:48:26 PM »
They can search the internet and alert an honest cop about advertisements and he can call these advertisers and make arrests. Or the girls can put in an advertisement themselves and send a policeman to whoever calls their advertisement. This way you stop both supply and demand.

Why would you seek to stop supply and demand? If someone wants to sell, and someone wants to buy, why should anyone stop them?

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Or the girls can put in an advertisement themselves and send a policeman to whoever calls their advertisement.

Entrapment?  :D  That is illegal in most civilised countries.

It depends, if you think most prostitutes can simply quit if they want and do something else, or will their pimp beat the hell out of them if they even mention it.

If the prostitutes can join or quit of their free will, then I guess it's a purely moral issue. If however it's some kind of forced slavery then obviously that's a different matter.

Entrapment? IMHO If an advertisement is placed in a paper next to other illegal ones. Then the person calls of his free will asking to engage in illegal activities, then I fail to see how this is entrapment.

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 02:49:44 PM »


Is it even illegal in Ukraine? What is the legal status?

I think it's illegal but I don't know.
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 02:58:19 PM »
Why would you seek to stop supply and demand? If someone wants to sell, and someone wants to buy, why should anyone stop them?

but if topic will be about narcotics?or guns?))))  will be same question ?))))
 
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 05:28:50 PM »
Why would you seek to stop supply and demand? If someone wants to sell, and someone wants to buy, why should anyone stop them?

but if topic will be about narcotics?or guns?))))  will be same question ?))))
 

In Holland, some narcotica are legal.

Anyone can buy a gun anywhere, they are $200 in UK, and for sale in Russia too. I saw them in shops.
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 08:54:12 AM »
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 Maybe some of those others were not seeking to be sex tourists but seeing the advertisements might have encouraged them.


 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: thank you,you made me laughing.

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 08:56:43 AM »
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I am sure that it's cheap in Russia as well ...

Can you say same about our country : "Russia-a country of a sex-tourism" ? Of course NO. :smokin:

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 11:23:00 AM »
In Holland, some narcotica are legal.

Anyone can buy a gun anywhere, they are $200 in UK, and for sale in Russia too. I saw them in shops.
And you think drugs shouldn't be stopped? Heavy drugs too? Just curious how far it shouldn't be stopped  :popcorn:
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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 06:05:06 PM »
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 Maybe some of those others were not seeking to be sex tourists but seeing the advertisements might have encouraged them.


 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: thank you,you made me laughing.

Glad to see you laugh.

I think this will develop into one of those RW are better than UW threads if I continue.
 
I do want to point out that Going to Ukraine to have cheap sex doesn't make sense at all.
If it costs $1600 for a plane ticket and $150 per day for an apartment and meals etc for 10 days
I don't know what a cheap sex hooker costs in Ukraine but maybe $200 - $300 per day?

Ticket                $1,600.00
Ten days           $1,500.00
Cheap Hooker   $2,500.00
                      -------------------
Total sex trip      $5,600.00
Per day $560.00

Now here is a place where hookers can be found in the USA
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ers/?query=w4m

They all can be had for less than $560.00 and there is no 20 hours of flying
each way or jet lag.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2008, 12:51:19 AM »

Glad to see you laugh.

I think this will develop into one of those RW are better than UW threads if I continue.
That's exactly what I was afraid the topic become when posted the link. But .. it's the first such event in FSU - deserves attention still...
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2008, 05:41:02 AM »
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Total sex trip      $5,600.00
Per day $560.00


How many women a man meet? One? We all know that to meet one woman is not suitable for any man...it is always few women -10-15???? every woman will try her best so it is why many men go to this country. :evilgrin0002:

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Re: Акция в Киеве против секс туризма
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2008, 09:07:00 PM »
[How many women a man meet? One? We all know that to meet one woman is not suitable for any man...it is always few women -10-15???? every woman will try her best so it is why many men go to this country. :evilgrin0002:

I have read this several times. I am not sure exactly what you are saying.
I think I know, maybe you can explain it better for me.

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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2008, 08:51:24 AM »
2tallbill ,

sorry..I can explain you better only at Russian.
Сколько женщин встречает мужчина при посещении Украины? 1? Нет,это не подходит для мужчин-встреча с одной женщиной...это всегда 10-15. И каждая женщина хочет понравиться.  :evilgrin0002:

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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2008, 06:09:29 PM »
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How many women a man meet? One? We all know that to meet one woman is not suitable for any man...it is always few women -10-15???? every woman will try her best so it is why many men go to this country. :evilgrin0002:

Your explanation in English was quite good Mirror.

Did you get it Bill? There are creeps that will go there, promise the earth to several young girls, and get free sex with them while on holiday, as each one hopes to impress him enough to be "the right one"

Like this girl from Tom's earlier thread, why do you think the she is so upset with "Butch"?

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=4280.msg54431#msg54431

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2008, 07:21:40 PM »
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How many women a man meet? One? We all know that to meet one woman is not suitable for any man...it is always few women -10-15???? every woman will try her best so it is why many men go to this country. :evilgrin0002:

Your explanation in English was quite good Mirror.

Did you get it Bill? There are creeps that will go there, promise the earth to several young girls, and get free sex with them while on holiday, as each one hopes to impress him enough to be "the right one"

Like this girl from Tom's earlier thread, why do you think the she is so upset with "Butch"?

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=4280.msg54431#msg54431


I have been accused of being exactly the type of creep you mentioned.
Which is why I asked what exactly she met, but maybe I am being over sensitive
and she was talking about some other creeps in general.

I also think that it's highly unlikely that a man can convince a large number
of unpaid girls to sleep with him over a short period of time. RW in particular have BS
detector radars that can whiff BS coming from miles away.

Just my two kopecks,

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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2008, 07:30:32 PM »
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How many women a man meet? One? We all know that to meet one woman is not suitable for any man...it is always few women -10-15???? every woman will try her best so it is why many men go to this country. :evilgrin0002:

Your explanation in English was quite good Mirror.

Did you get it Bill? There are creeps that will go there, promise the earth to several young girls, and get free sex with them while on holiday, as each one hopes to impress him enough to be "the right one"

Like this girl from Tom's earlier thread, why do you think the she is so upset with "Butch"?

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=4280.msg54431#msg54431


RW in particular have BS
detector radars that can whiff BS coming from miles away.

You got the detector thing right.  If I even try and BS my GF, she will spot it before I can even finish the sentence.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2008, 08:26:28 PM »
I have been accused of being exactly the type of creep you mentioned. 

I also think that it's highly unlikely that a man can convince a large number
of unpaid girls to sleep with him over a short period of time. RW in particular have BS
detector radars that can whiff BS coming from miles away.


At the risk of being too direct.... Perhaps you have heard of the "3 date rule"? It has been talked about this on both RW & AM forums, but there is some who say that if a guy comes to visit a girl, if she does not sleep with him by the third day, he will assume that she is not interested and move on. If she is still unsure about the relationship, she will probably do it anyways to avoid the risk of him leaving for greener pastures, and losing her chance.

This of course assumes that he has charmed her into thinking that he is serious, and of course has not told her that he will leave on the 4th or 5th day to visit the next girl, regardless if she sleeps with him or not.

As for the prices in the Ukraine, I have understand that "paid entertainment" would cost about $50 - $100.

 Now before I end up on Anti-date black list!!!  :o  :o  :o

I will tell you how I know this, I came back to Canada from Crimea via Kiev, I had to stay overnight in a hotel in Kiev, before going to catch a 5 am flight.

About 9pm at night I was fast asleep, the phone rings, and a girl with good english asks if I would like to have a girl come around to my room to give a "Massage" for $60. I said no and hung up. When I got home after my flight I asked my GF about this, she laughed and said that $60 was way too much for a massage, this would have been the "deluxe service"  :o  :o

later when I thought about it, how did the girl who called know that the room was occupied? How did she know to speak in English, and not Russian? What if some Babushka had answered?  :) I suspect that the desk cleck at the hotel took a few Hrivna's to let the "businesswoman" know which rooms were occupied by single men....

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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2008, 09:39:25 PM »
At the risk of being too direct.... Perhaps you have heard of the "3 date rule"? It has been talked about this on both RW & AM forums, but there is some who say that if a guy comes to visit a girl, if she does not sleep with him by the third day, he will assume that she is not interested and move on. If she is still unsure about the relationship, she will probably do it anyways to avoid the risk of him leaving for greener pastures, and losing her chance. 

I've always advised men that it was a "5 Date Rule" in Russia.  Too often a RW will give off signals that a western man, not familiar with Russian culture may misinterpret.  She may rebuff your sexual advances but seem interesting in spending more time with you.  To the "feminized" American man this reads "she needs more time".  But what the well-mannered Russian girl is REALLY thinking is "I feel no sexual connection for this man BUT I am his host in my city.  He has come all this way to see me and I must keep him entertained as he is my guest"

Take if from me, with some rare exceptions, if nothing is happening by the 5th date, you are wise not to waste any more of your limited time and resources pursuing that lady.  I know when I say this there will be some men who will ridicule my advice by saying they didn't have sex with their RW until the wedding night and their marriage is strong as can be. 

Move on - the odds are the lady will be relieved to have the responsibility of playing "host" to you removed from her.         

As for the prices in the Ukraine, I have understand that "paid entertainment" would cost about $50 - $100.

I'm guessing your info is a bit dated.  I know in 2000 girls at the Boar House could be had for $50 and Night Flight Girls were $100.  Now in Moscow, rates for "Hot Dogs" (formerly Boar House) girls start at $300 and Night Flight girls are $400.  Line-up girls in Moscow can be had for $150-250 but they're pretty skanky.  Although I've never been to Ukraine, I'd guess that in 2008, $100 would be low-end.

later when I thought about it, how did the girl who called know that the room was occupied? How did she know to speak in English, and not Russian? What if some Babushka had answered?  :) I suspect that the desk clerk at the hotel took a few Hrivna's to let the "businesswoman" know which rooms were occupied by single men....

It's not "rocket science".  Every hotel has a mafia guy who is responsible for bringing "his girls' to service the hotel's guests.  They work with the hotel management.  They know who is in what room and they call every room and ask the question in the appropriate language. 
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