Ye Olde Age Difference

[Mikeav8r]

Yup.  It's official....I'm shallow...

I still insist. Each prospective groom should adjust their capabilities without Viagra. A woman can take a man into its bosom to death. Enjoying more stronger after menopause. 

 

[Annushka]

Yup.  It's official....I'm shallow...

I still insist. Each prospective groom should adjust their capabilities without Viagra. A woman can take a man into its bosom to death. Enjoying more stronger after menopause. 

 

Charm the girls according to your intellect.

[tzwd72]

Uhm... is...uhm... is that a flirt?))))  Who needs Viagra after that statement 

Anyway I think the "nerd" should have been in the bathroom stall, with napkin tucked into his collar, the cigar in his hand, tapping his foot on the cell phone while playing the sax...

Although it seemed like the video was taken to extremes your point has been taken   

As for using my intellect...what is this word "intellect" that you speak of?)))

J

 

[Annushka]

Uhm... is...uhm... is that a flirt?))))  Who needs Viagra after that statement 

Anyway I think the "nerd" should have been in the bathroom stall, with napkin tucked into his collar, the cigar in his hand, tapping his foot on the cell phone while playing the sax...

Although it seemed like the video was taken to extremes your point has been taken   

As for using my intellect...what is this word "intellect" that you speak of?)))

J

The young man, you flatter yourself. I always touches "Macho". Who scream in Dayting in public areas of male viability.   

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Кавалергарда век не долог!   

[HansK]

Hi,

I'm a 27 year old (European) looking guy. Witch age range should i go for? and are FSU looking for someone with my age or mostly older (sugar daddy  )  guys? I want child's, get married etc. in the future.

Btw, i have one arm with a tattoo slave (all covered arm) and the other arm half covered. Is that a turnoff for FSU girls? in my country it's normal and a little bit of a hype at this moment (due television programs). Some girls like it, some not, ofcourse. Btw, i do wear most of the time nice stylish blouses or shirts and you don't see it at all then.

Thanks in advance! Hans

[sashathecat]

I'm a 27 year old (European) looking guy. Witch age range should i go for? and are FSU looking for someone with my age or mostly older (sugar daddy  )  guys? I want child's, get married etc. in the future.

Btw, i have one arm with a tattoo slave (all covered arm) and the other arm half covered. Is this a no go'er for FSU girls? in my country it's normal and a little bit of a hype at this moment (due television programs). Some girls like it, Some not, ofcourse. Btw, i do wear most of the time nice stylish blouses or shirts and you don't see it at all then.

I would look around your same age group. That is the norm in the FSU and most are not looking for sugar daddies. They do want a secure man. The sleeve may turn some women off but tats are becoming more trendy so don't let that hold you back.

Women wear blouses, men wear shirts 

[Manny]

Btw, i have one arm with a tattoo slave (all covered arm) and the other arm half covered. Is that a turnoff for FSU girls?

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7082.msg102390#msg102390

[HansK]

Tnx guys!

[HansK]

@ sashathecat
It's shirts indeed. Stupid mistake  (Dutch is my native language btw) i'm thinking i'll go for a girl between 22 and 32 

@ Manny
What a epic topic. It remembered me when mom said: don't do it, don't do it...but on my 16th birthday i went to a tattoo shop and got my first tattoo. After that...the rest is history. Now i'm done with it and older and wiser 

[JayH]

I'm a 27 year old (European) looking guy. Witch age range should i go for? and are FSU looking for someone with my age or mostly older (sugar daddy  )  guys? I want child's, get married etc. in the future.

Btw, i have one arm with a tattoo slave (all covered arm) and the other arm half covered. Is this a no go'er for FSU girls? in my country it's normal and a little bit of a hype at this moment (due television programs). Some girls like it, Some not, ofcourse. Btw, i do wear most of the time nice stylish blouses or shirts and you don't see it at all then.

I would look around your same age group. That is the norm in the FSU and most are not looking for sugar daddies. They do want a secure man. The sleeve may turn some women off but tats are becoming more trendy so don't let that hold you back.

Women wear blouses, men wear shirts 

Sasha  makes a good point here. Back in June  I found myself in a conversation on age suitability with a 25 yo Ukrainian girl-- she had 26yo guy in her life and she thought it was time to get married.The guy wanted none of that. When i was asked what I thought--I answered if I was a 26yo Ukrainian guy I would not be getting married either!!Every girl I told this story too--said"what about love"?mm
Now further into discussing her future--she flatly refused to even think of a guy over 30 as marriage material(or any other purpose!!) 
All that aside--to Hans--forget age issue  and look as you would anywhere.At 27 -- all girls are possible if you are ok normal guy.Ukraine girls will prove tougher than you probably think-- so you need to learn and understand personality and cultural quirks to survive it!! Ukrainian girls can be mature at 19 yo-- and they like to have children when young-- so keep that in mind.

[sashathecat]

@ sashathecat
It's shirts indeed. Stupid mistake  (Dutch is my native language btw) i'm thinking i'll go for a girl between 22 and 32 

Was just messing with you.

I think that is a good age range for you to look and as Jay mentions you will have some advantages if you are ready for marriage.
Welcome to the forum.

[HansK]

@ JayH
Last months i had 2 dates with girls in my country aged 20 and 21. And 2 dates with a girl aged 27, but it only went to the sleeping room whit her 
All the girls were very in-mature, in the party mood etc. and talking about they want to have a baby, on the first date...I know not every girl is the same of course, but is good the hear that Ukrain girls are (more) mature at a younger age.

@ sashathecat

Tnx!

I'm first gonna make a sort of strategy plan. I read a lot of topics at this forum, but is overwhelming me a little bit. I was thinking to register me on a site as Alena, chat with some girls, planned some dates and make a trip to Ukrain. At this moment i have other priorities as dating, so it give me also the opportunity tho read some more information. Witch membership should i take for at Elana?

I read a lot of negative stuff about agency's, so i guess i shouldn't waste my money and time to them. Anyway, i'm thinking to go make a trip end of this year/begin next year, but isn't then freaking cold?

[sashathecat]

I read a lot of negative stuff about agency's, so i guess i shouldn't waste my money and time to them. Anyway, i'm thinking to go make a trip end of this year/begin next year, but isn't then not freaking cold?

I would definitely avoid the agencies. Elena's Models several guys have been successful though including one couple we are friends with locally. At your age I would probably reach out to women on vk or social sites and visit as a vacation while meeting a few. It can be cold depending on time of year and city you are visiting. October and November were not too bad when I visited, just a bit chilly. Avoid going during the holidays until you have found someone I would suggest.

[AJ]

Hansk, - first FSU reaction to ink/tattoo is *prison-ex convict*

so you have that going for you

I do not have sleeves , but a couple of tattoos, wasn't any big issue.

Sure initial reaction to it might be there,but you can over come it.
 in my case a bit  easier, as they are not visible if i'm not in beach wear.

[HansK]

Hansk, - first FSU reaction to ink/tattoo is *prison-ex convict*

Also younger girls?

[AJ]

Hansk, - first FSU reaction to ink/tattoo is *prison-ex convict*

Also younger girls?

 its getting to be more accepted, but yes, for the most part
 i believe even younger girls' first thought when seeing a full sleeve tattoo will be *he's been in prison*.

That doesnt mean you cant get past that,,and more and more young men and women in the FSU have them,,
 but its not nearly as accepted as elsewhere in the world as a general rule,
and still often has the *very rough crowd* stigma.

[Manny]

Hansk, - first FSU reaction to ink/tattoo is *prison-ex convict*

Also younger girls?

 its getting to be more accepted, but yes, for the most part
 i believe even younger girls' first thought when seeing a full sleeve tattoo will be *he's been in prison*.

That doesnt mean you cant get past that,,and more and more young men and women in the FSU have them,,
 but its not nearly as accepted as elsewhere in the world as a general rule,
and still often has the *very rough crowd* stigma.

I agree with AJ, Hans.

[2tallbill]

Tnx guys!

I think you will see a noticeable positive difference in an FSU girl who is 24 or 25
instead of 22. There are a zillion beautiful girls who are 24-25 so why not search
that age range first and only expand it if necessary?

Just my two kopecks

Bill

[2tallbill]

Even today with nearly 3000 posts there are 5 guests viewing this topic
which has not been active for 10 years. Let's see if there are any fresh
perspectives these days.

[B.B.]

Even today with nearly 3000 posts there are 5 guests viewing this topic
which has not been active for 10 years. Let's see if there are any fresh
perspectives these days.

Well, I had a date with a 20 year old on Sunday.  This was in America, for anyone wondering.  Had a great time.  She did also, and wanted to meet up with me the following day (regrettably, I could not because: reasons.)  I will likely take her out again soon.  Or not.  will see.

Coincidentally a 24 year old with daddy issues  (Daddy Issues = Wildcat in the sack; Mommy Issues: Will try to eat your soul) who I haven't talked to in a couple of years texted me out of the blue.  She's not local, but indicated that she's "available" the next time I am in her neighborhood.  Why did she turn up after 2 years?  She has a very specific kink that I can deliver on, so now I haunt her pussy and her dreams.

Beehive officially kicked over for the RUA Puritans and jelly dudes. 

B/B

[Steveboy]

Even today with nearly 3000 posts there are 5 guests viewing this topic
which has not been active for 10 years. Let's see if there are any fresh
perspectives these days.

Well, I had a date with a 20 year old on Sunday.  This was in America, for anyone wondering.  Had a great time.  She did also, and wanted to meet up with me the following day (regrettably, I could not because: reasons.)  I will likely take her out again soon.  Or not.  will see.

Coincidentally a 24 year old with daddy issues  (Daddy Issues = Wildcat in the sack; Mommy Issues: Will try to eat your soul) who I haven't talked to in a couple of years texted me out of the blue.  She's not local, but indicated that she's "available" the next time I am in her neighborhood.  Why did she turn up after 2 years?  She has a very specific kink that I can deliver on, so now I haunt her pussy and her dreams.

Beehive officially kicked over for the RUA Puritans and jelly dudes. 

B/B

Oh go on!! Give us a clue ?

[2tallbill]

Beehive officially kicked over for the RUA Puritans and jelly dudes. 

B/B

Do you have any advice for the noobs* reading this thread who are just getting
started? It's been over a decade since, I have dated or pursued a woman that
I am not married to.


*Noobs who are looking to find an excellent woman for marriage and happiness
ever after.

[2tallbill]

Coincidentally a 24 year old with daddy issues  (Daddy Issues = Wildcat in the sack; Mommy Issues: Will try to eat your soul)

To everyone not named B.B. If asked B.B. will usually give you advice.
My recommendation is to do what he says not what he does. He is not
on any specific track to get married. That is fine, there is no rule or
law that he must seek out marriage.

It took me 9 years to find the girl for me. It would have taken far less
if I had focused earlier. 

If you want a faster track than I took, I would advise dumping women
with issues as soon as you spot them. You can't fix broken women or
women with character issues, the sooner you kick them to the curb
the sooner you can find Mrs. __________________(your name here).

Next post will be on the age topic

[2tallbill]

Note: This is my opinion, if yours is different please post how so. There are
always exceptions.

Regarding age
Take your age and subtract 10 years. That's about the max you should attempt
unless you have some of the following attributes.

1. You are tall, handsome, muscled, well hung, skilled lover, etc. 
2. You are funny, have advanced interpersonal skills and speak Russian.
3. You are wealthy and can travel extensively, spending near infinite time
boots on the ground in the FSU
4. Live on the coast with a warm climate

If you have some of those attributes you can go after women who are more
than 10 younger than you.

HOWEVER if you are
1. Shy
2. Somewhat gullible
3. Overweight/ugly/awkward socially 
4. Unable to make a decision about something.
5. You are unable to dump a hot woman
6. Have a moderate income or limited vacation time to
pursue an FSUW
7. Sort of dumb

If you display any of those characteristics, you should pursue a
woman closer to your age.

If you deviate too far from these guidelines you will still get women who
will date you, but many times they will have bad motives and dubious goals.

First and foremost is that you find a good girl.

[B.B.]

Do you have any advice for the noobs* reading this thread who are just getting
started? It's been over a decade since, I have dated or pursued a woman that
I am not married to.


*Noobs who are looking to find an excellent woman for marriage and happiness
ever after.

A. Understand the Level of Difficulty. 

B.  Fortune favors the Bold.

C.  Learn AS MUCH of her language as you can.  Then learn more.

D.  Understand the time and $ (or € or £) commitment.

E.  Learn her culture.  Learn how to act like a guest.  Be complimentary and helpful.  Find out who "Elvis" is in her family.  Usually it's her granny.  Get granny on your side.  Tell granny that she is beautiful, and she must have been REALLY SOMETHING when she was young. Lay it on thick.  Tell granny that if things don't work out with granddaughter you want a shot with her (but do not say this if her husband is still alive, obv.)  Tell Momsky, when you meet her, that you can see where your girl got her good looks from.  Don't be too convincing, though.  I once had to    a girl's mom to get out alive.  Fortunately, she was a MILF.  When a lady in her family offers her hand, don't shake it, kiss it.  When a woman arrives at or leave the table, rise.  I had a girl stop, look at me, and say, "I have heard that men used to do this.  I have never had a man do this for me before!"  I was also the first man to give her a g-spot orgasm.  Go figure.

F.  Understand you are going to have to be a "traditional" guy.  Holding doors, sure, but I mean this: You LEAD; she FOLLOWS, no exceptions.  You are going to have to do this in a country where you don't speak the language and are not native to the culture.  If I get to a point where I am not sure, I DOUBLE THE FCUK DOWN. 

G.  make a good first impression.  Bring roses on your first date.  Maybe chocolates.  Adjust as necessary (such as she likes tulips more.)  shower, dress nice - She will be wearing her best clothes, don't show up in a fcuking hoodie.  Shower, shave, etc.  Clean under your fingernails.  Don't be some d-bag retard.

H.  NEVER blow your cool.  Take the hedgehog approach.  A woman once asked me why I was wearing gloves (it was a borderline day, temperature-wise, but I am a musician and my hands are important.)  Rather than debate, I went with "To keep my hands from getting cold."  If there is some problem, stay cool, tell her "We will solve this."  She is probably going to be nervous and will feel responsible for you because it is her country.  If she pulls you down a side-street, let her.  She probably saw smth ahead that was not cool.  You are a man.   Handle shit. Years ago I was in Piter and I was with a girl (she had good Eng).  Some dude came up to her and started being what I though was a bit aggressive.  She seemed to be handling it b  ut he didn't leave.  Me: {To her} "Ok, I'm taking over.  Translate."  Me {To him, via her, firm tone of voice} "Are you ok?" {Subtext: "What your  ing problem?"}  Him: "That bench is in a good spot." {Translation: I want your bench - this was in the summer garden near the Fontanka} Me: "Yes, it is." {Translation: "We were here first, and we will be staying."}  Him:  s off.  She 100% got moist in the panties bc I took command of the situation.  I also look like I break legs for a living, so that helps.  Know your limits and never blow your cool. 

I.  Treat her like a bratty kid sister.  Do not over do it, like you have to with Western girls.  And be fair if she is - ex.  I dated a model girl who, when we went out, would ask before she ordered anything.  We were having a good time and she was ready for another round, so she looked at me and said, "May I have another drink?" I ofc said yes, and I didn't break her chops because her manners were On Point.

J.  Get the interpreter on your side.  I have a rule about dining out.  Spitting straight facts, I do well in life.  So when I am out with people I tend to pick up the bill.  The exception to this is when I'm out with another guy who makes bank, and then we will split it right down the middle.  Last fall I had dinner with 4 other guys.  3 broke young guys, and another guy like me.  The last guy and I split the tab.  So when I go out with an interpreter and a girl and I take her to dinner, I tell both of them at the beginning, "Look I want both of you to have a good time, so order what you want."  It's also a test.  If they are ordering up a storm, that tell you smth.  If they ask beforehand, that's a good sign.  You shouldn't bitch if you tell them to order whatever. 

K.  Interpreters can make or break you. Tip.  I had a date with a girl in Lvov years ago.  She asked if we could have dinner at Mon Chef.  This is a higher end restaurant, but not crazy $$$.  I also decided, independently, to stay at the hotel (Astoria) that it is attached to.  The interpreter showed up first and said, "Look, this is a pricey place.  LMK if you want to bail"  - BUT, the girl had ASKED before I even got on a plane if it would be ok to go there.  I had a chance to look at the menu and pass judgment.  She also ordered modestly and made a big effort to show me around Lvov, including doing things that didn't cost $, like taking me up Castle Hill (or tower hill or whatever it is called.)  So fair play to her.

L.  YOU pick the restaurant.  You're paying, you pick.  If she wants to go somewhere else, (unless it's a way cheaper option and she's trying to defend your wallet, which I have had girls do) then tough shit.  I also dated a couple of vegan girls (but without the "verbal" part where they lecture you - the both told me they would cook meat for me, but they just ate vegan.)  If you get, "But there's this sushi place I really want to try!"  Tough shit.  She can do that on her own dime and on her own time.  Money talks; bullshit rides the bus.  You are paying the piper, YOU call the tune.  That doesn't mean you have to cheap out, but YOU pick.  I usually ask if the girl has any dietary issues (lactose intolerant, vegan, etc.) so I can adjust but I'm not going to a fish restaurant that I don't like so she can order the $100 plate and get a kickback from the owner.  If she pushes to hard for some place you don't know, Lay Down The Law: "We're going here, we're doing this."  Or just bail.  Never waste time on pro-daters or girls who are never going to    you. 

M. If a girl takes you to some place where it seems $$$ or if she is ordering takeout to bring home to her mom (or boyfriend) without asking, cut that shit off there.  Dump her ass and meet your back up.

N.  Develop other contacts on the ground.  A good buddy of mine there started out as my uber driver.  I would go to a couple of places in Odessa where they knew me.  Bize and Ministerium (RIP).  They knew I didn't speak Russian well, but I also was a good tipper, and I was good at ordering in Russian (or pointing at things and ordering) and would not otherwise cause problems.  I dated a girl who was fluent in Eng and she told me that the guy at Bize told her I was a good guy and to treat me right.  I explained (truthfully) that I would have breakfast there in the mornings and I tip well, and I was nice to them. /shrugs.    I also tend to stay at the Hyatt and bc I am a VIP with Hyatt they always send a "how did we do?" email and I slobber all over it and tell Chicago (Hyatt's HQ) how great the Kiev folks were.  The Kiev folks know this and knock themselves out to take care of me.  Once I was trying to Shazam a song, and I wasn't able to, but when I came down for breakfast the next day, one of the waitresses had it written down on a slip of paper for me.  So ofc I mentioned her by name, and the next time I was through she thanked me for doing so.  Another time, I had friends stuck in Kiev and I sent them to the Hyatt and told them to ask for the head concierge by name, and, failing that, the GM and to use my name (I also sent an email to them) and he would take care of them, which he did (got them the last tickets out on a train during a snow storm), and the next time I went through I tipped him for it.  I was a hero to my friends and I took care of my people.  Simples.

O.  You are not just marrying her,  you are marrying her family.  I have a fairly serious (for me) gf and you better BET that I send her mama flowers on both her mom's b-day and my gf's bday.  Mama can make or break you.  When I met her mom, it was after the war had started.  They had relocated to Uzhgorod and we went off to some resort place for dinner (she asked prior, ofc) and the mom asked me if I was scared to be in Ukraine with the war going on.  Me: "Women and children can be here.  Am I a coward that I cannot come to Ukraine for a few days?" Mama said smth to the daughter in Ukrainain which was later related to me as "That was a man's answer."   

P.  If you are using a PPC service, well, Caveat Emptor.  Get her off the PPC service ASAP and if she won't or her phone "breaks" suddenly, she's fake and so forth.  If she won't meet you after a reasonable about of time: fake.  If she asks for money before you have met and really before you are  ing her: fake. 

Q.  This should be first, but I am too lazy to re-number: Read the Tablets of Stone 

R.  Play within your limits.  If you are not getting models at home you probably aren't in the FSU.  You will do a point or two better in the FSU, but you won't be having crazy threeways with Playboy Playmates - I mean, I did, but I'm an exception.  You won't.

S.  I forget what S is for.

T.  Have fun.  You are in a foreign country.  Enjoy it.  Learn.  Don't be a d-bag.  Pretend you are a little ambassador of your country to theirs.  Don't be a dick.  When you meet her parents, bring a bottle of wine or dad's favorite scotch.  Bring flowers for mom.  Bring slippers to wear in their home.  Observe their culture.  Learn some words.  Thank you is a good one.  Learn please also.  Have a couple of toasts teed up complimenting the cooking, the hospitality, and (usually the third toast) the beauty of the ladies present.  Quote Shelley or Wordsworth.  Lay it on thick.  By the time you are making your 4th toast, everyone is lit anyway.

U.  Understand that your travel days are "blown up" days.  You are human cargo, and your job is to arrive.  If you are going to Ukraine now, first you are a super hero, but understand that there will be lines at the border.  My driver, while we were stuck at the border in to Poland, asked me what time my flight was. Me: "It's tomorrow."  He visibly relaxed.  Leave time for trouble.  Take the cheap flight into Europe and then leave time for the second flight to wherever.  I generally fly into Poland and then connect to Kosice (Slovakia) and then cross into Uzhgorod and then go wherever.  My (primary) girl is 100% legit and figures out train tickets to Lvov etc.  I handle accommodations and restaurants.   

V. Faint heart never won fair lady.  Rock out with your cock out (metaphorically speaking.)

W.  For real there is smth I am forgetting.  I will return and add it in later.

X.  Be prepared.  Bring a couple of those little "tissue packs" that ladies seem to like.  Bring a mini-Maglite or two (although I guess you can use you iPhone).  bring an external charger thingy.  Give it to her at the end of the trip.

Y.  Have patience. 

Z.  Learn to Play 3rd Base.  Pre-google maps, on my first trip to Moscow, I was out with a girl who had met me there, but who was not a native to Moscow.  We got out of the door of the hotel and she got a bit spooked because she didn't have her bearings.  I had brought the tourist map that the hotel gives you.  She was OVERJOYED.  Girls navigate by landmarks, men navigate by internal geometry.  That's why they get lost and we don't.  She felt responsible for me, and that she was letting the side down, but I had a map, which made her life easier.  It was actually in Russian (good for her, though).  So if your girl has to do smth because it requires local language, learn to "play third base" for her and help out.

B/B