Author Topic: Huawei (Read 3643 times)

Omega1982 · « **on:** January 20, 2020, 08:50:15 PM »

Interesting to see in the news today the development of the trial of the Huawei executive. And some people still think this is the land of the free. The BBC said it was a political move.

BillyB · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:52:47 PM »

There are 5 million Chinese living in America. There are many more here temporarily on work, student, or tourist visas. It is very possible that one Chinese out of millions have violated the sanctions on Iran and the rest are living free without worry of getting arrested.

andrewfi · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2020, 09:07:00 AM »

It is interesting. Worth noting that the U.S is now changing the basis of the charges against her because it is clear that the original charges could not be supported under Canadian law. Under Canadian law, extradition to a 3rd country can only occur if the crime charged is a crime in Canada and that was not the case here.

Now, of course, if that's so, how legitimate can it be that she has been held for months and can only now be extradited under new charges because she was imprisoned under invalid charges?

BillyB · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2020, 09:46:45 AM »

Quote from: andrewfi on January 21, 2020, 09:07:00 AM

she was imprisoned

Her jail cell is in a photo in the link below. She's probably living in better conditions than most guys on the forum.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/20/797804152/extradition-trial-for-huawei-executive-facing-u-s-fraud-charges-begins-in-vancou

Quote from: andrewfi on January 21, 2020, 09:07:00 AM

Worth noting that the U.S is now changing the basis of the charges against her because it is clear that the original charges could not be supported under Canadian law. Under Canadian law, extradition to a 3rd country can only occur if the crime charged is a crime in Canada and that was not the case here.

The US is not changing the basis of the charges and the woman was never imprisoned on invalid charges. The US always knew the rules in Canada for extradition. Forget about what the media and the woman's attorney is saying. The woman's attorney is trying to get the public to feel sorry for her. Almost 11 months ago the Canadian government put out a statement that says they are allowing the extradition case to proceed after reviewing all the evidence. The also state a fact "Under the Extradition Act and the Treaty, Canada must review the alleged conduct and determine whether it could have resulted in a jail sentence of 1 year of more if it had taken place in Canada. The conduct for which extradition is sought must also be considered criminal in both the United States of America and in Canada. This is known as “dual criminality”. In other words, the process to detain the woman and extradite her is and was always following the rules of Canadian law.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2019/03/extradition-relevant-to-the-case-of-ms-meng-wanzhou.html

Since this started, China arrested two Canadians for espionage and one for drug smuggling. The one for drug smuggling is getting a death sentence. Too bad Canada doesn't have a leader as tough as Trump.

Contrarian · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2020, 11:41:25 AM »

I think the Chinese will say the hell with you and pull their money out of the United States. That's the end of our wars.
Gore Vidal

Markje · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2020, 02:54:44 PM »

im sure jack ma is rushing to go to canada/usa now.

and considering the amount of money huawei has political pressure is sure to rise

andrewfi · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2020, 11:09:44 AM »

The conditions of imprisonment do not alter the fact of the imprisonment. That's something that I am surprised that you do not understand.

The Canadian government must follow its procedures. That means the case will be examined as it must be. I think, Billy, that you are getting confused. The fact of a court case does not coincide with the inevitability of the outcome or the quality of the case itself. Yes, that may be a surprise to those living in the USA where the foregoing is often not true, but in the civilised world, it is still largely the case.

AvHdB · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2020, 07:57:01 AM »

Since we have posters who seem to enjoy conspiracy thoughts, here is an interesting article that seems pretty well grounded on reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

I hear the complaints already,The Washington Post, but still an interesting read. Especially when confronted with the noise around Huawei.

AvHdB · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2020, 08:25:49 AM »

With my dyslexic brain, I wanted to point out, but forgot, there are factual errors and perhaps one could say omissions in the Washington Post article.

You Tube is more entertaining than a barrel of whales, grey fallen soldiers and doodles.

Contrarian · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2020, 10:21:07 AM »

Quote from: AvHdB on February 16, 2020, 07:57:01 AM

Since we have posters who seem to enjoy conspiracy thoughts, here is an interesting article that seems pretty well grounded on reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

I hear the complaints already,The Washington Post, but still an interesting read. Especially when confronted with the noise around Huawei.

The operation first known as Thesaurus and then Rubicon....hmmm sounds interesting.

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But what none of its customers ever knew was that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence. These spy agencies rigged the company’s devices so they could easily break the codes that countries used to send encrypted messages.

2tallbill · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2020, 10:33:02 AM »

Moby hasn't posted 59 times? What happened?

cufflinks · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2020, 12:26:22 PM »

No to Huawei...

cufflinks · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2020, 12:44:28 PM »

CLAWS OF THE RED DRAGON

https://www.clawsofthereddragon.com/

msmoby · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2020, 02:13:48 PM »

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 16, 2020, 10:33:02 AM

Moby hasn't posted 59 times? What happened?

I used a Huawei router, may be?

Seriously, though...Most of us are connecting to post using Chinese kit.

If you are an Apple fan...Your kit is made for Apple in China...

Google spy on you far more...they know FAR more about you than the Chinese.

andrewfi · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2020, 03:26:56 PM »

Interesting that this story should come up again. This is not in any sense 'news'.
Interesting link: https://www.google.ee/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=cia+swiss+crypto+AG

I am hardly an expert on intelligence matters but even I was aware of this many years ago. Bringing this matter up now seems to be related to Huawei and the undemonstrated and unproven claims made by the USA against the company. I doubt that the story was placed by either the Chinese government or Huawei so it is likely somebody in a position of power with an axe to grind. Given the current source is the Washington Post whose owner has something of a thing against the CIA right now, notwithstanding his previous cosy relationship, I'd not be too surprised to learn that he was the source.

Oh, yeah, that'd be Jeff Bezos.

Manny · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2020, 07:21:59 PM »

Quote from: msmoby on February 16, 2020, 02:13:48 PM

Most of us are connecting to post using Chinese kit.

If you are an Apple fan...Your kit is made for Apple in China...

Google spy on you far more...they know FAR more about you than the Chinese.

I agree with this.

Concerns about Huawei are often misplaced.

NS1 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2020, 07:32:12 AM »

Canadian Military Asked federal Gov. to not give Huawei
access to Canada's new 5g network this week?

Not sure if its BS or a real story.

andrewfi · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2020, 08:08:58 AM »

I am sure it is real. The U.S has been doing its best to strongarm its 'allies' into rejecting Huawei.

How do we know that the 'concerns' of the U.S are political and not real?
If their concerns were real then they'd have no problem persuading allies such as the UK to reject Huawei. We haven't - not even with threats of various sanctions.

cufflinks · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2020, 11:45:42 AM »

Nigel Farage has warned that Boris Johnson’s decision to allow Chinese tech firm Huawei to assist in the development of the UK’s 5G network “imperils” intelligence sharing and could threaten a future trade deal with the U.S

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/14/farage-boris-huawei-decision-imperils-intelligence-sharing-trade-deal/

Simple choice really stay in the Five Eyes Intel network or join the CCP in their Belt and Road China 2025 5G Huawei Plan to control the world... 5G and 6G are much more than the next Gen of smart phones and facial surveillance... Go ahead and join Huawei 5G and become the CCPs butt boys while we send BAE, BP and all the other British Crown Communist Corps back to Wuhan China.

Manny · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2020, 04:17:52 PM »

Quote from: cufflinks on February 17, 2020, 11:45:42 AM

Nigel Farage has warned that Boris Johnson’s decision to allow Chinese tech firm Huawei to assist in the development of the UK’s 5G network “imperils” intelligence sharing and could threaten a future trade deal with the U.S

For all the good he’s done, he remains Trump’s bitch. He needs a retirement plan and Trump is it.

Manny · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2020, 04:18:51 PM »

Quote from: andrewfi on February 17, 2020, 08:08:58 AM

I am sure it is real. The U.S has been doing its best to strongarm its 'allies' into rejecting Huawei.

How do we know that the 'concerns' of the U.S are political and not real?

If their concerns were real then they'd have no problem persuading allies such as the UK to reject Huawei.

We haven't - not even with threats of various sanctions.

This.

Contrarian · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2020, 06:15:04 PM »

5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!

Contrarian · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2020, 07:17:37 PM »

Quote from: Confederate on February 17, 2020, 06:15:04 PM

5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!

“Friends and acquaintances and their children in Vienna are already reporting the classic symptoms of EMR poisoning:[9] nosebleeds, headaches, eye pains, chest pains, nausea, fatigue, vomiting, tinnitus, dizziness, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac pain. They also report a tight band around the head; pressure on the top of the head; short, stabbing pains around the body; and buzzing internal organs. Other biological effects such as tumours and dementia usually take longer to manifest, but in the case of 5G, which has never been tested for health or safety, who knows?[10]”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/5g-wireless-technology-is-war-against-humanity/5679372

Contrarian · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2020, 07:56:10 PM »

Harvard scientist connected to Wuhan. Oh and he’s also an elite Choo. He was getting 50K a month from China.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/02/01/an-american-chemist-is-suspected-of-illegal-dealings-with-china

Contrarian · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2020, 08:00:20 PM »

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/harvard-and-yale-universities-investigated-for-possible-non-disclosure-of-foreign-money/45555900

He thought himself above the law....

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/massachusetts-china-indictments-charles-lieber-yanqing-ye-zaosong-zheng/

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Author Topic: Huawei (Read 3643 times)