The UK General Election

[Manny]

This Love Actually parody is an excellent wheeze by Boris. A proper party broadcast. 

[Steveboy]

I think it will make no difference really who wins the election the UK is finally finished it's like an old dog that needs to be put out of its misery ..

There is nothing left all sold.. they make nothing any more, the population is way way to big .. way to many rag heads are there and they breed like rabbits.. 20 years time the country will be a Muslim country like it or not..

The NHS really is finished .. pensions are finished and the whole infrastructure of the country is finished.. the roads down in the West Country have pot holes the size of a bath tubs it really is bad and there is no way they will ever be able to afford to fix all this..

End of days..

[Wiz]

Manny

“You can fool me once; you can fool me twice, but not all of the time.”

It has been said, by somebody that if you really want to win a nation without much bloodshed, you must first destroy its culture and sources of higher learning before proceeding with your plan to loot it.
 
I would have thought that you are intelligent enough to realise that the US it was never a real friend of the UK, especially after reading their “Long term plan  for the 21st century” that I posted, sometime ago, and also after reading the “God Save the Queen” post.

Trump's 1st action, when he came to power, was to stop the TTIP negotiations with the EU and now is doing whatever he can to undermine the EU and slowly the US large Multinational Pharma Corporations will take over our British NHS and other business. Did you notice that he put sanctions against AIRBUS and 100% taxes to all cheese French products?

That is our friends over the pond, treating its allies as it does to any other country around the Globe. I hope we will not become like the South America countries, as Andrew rightly predicts.

Over the 40 years of Membership with the EU we have accepted around 700 new laws and transposed to the UK Law.  Over the past 3 years all I hear is immigration , immigration and nothing else.. teh UK is an island and we control our frontiers, have our own currency  and bank system. The City of London has already made a deal.... Brexit no brexit.... nothing change for them So the new Government with a good will can negotiate the 2-3 Laws we do not agree , make a deal and Brexit done. The old years of the Empire have gone and we cannot ignore such a large and friendly Market. Making a deal, we stay out of the EU and protect our interests......

BTW look how many years took Canada to negotiate a deal with the EU and I ask you. are all EU laws bad for our country?

WHY Trump is indefearing in our Elections? Is it for our own good HEALTH or another way to invade our country and help the survival of his own?    Today 1£ = 1.32 $ and 1£ = 1.19 Euro.

Did you watch this film ?

Shame that it is not shown in one of the Main TV Channels ....... Boris and the Tories would have been annihilated. I paid £10  to watch it on Line!last night!



Any how here some replies to your comments:

People who have destroyed this great country

Only Blairs open door immigration policy destroyed the country. (Labour)

GB started having large immigration since 1952 from its Caribbean and other Colonies in an effort to rebuild the country who had been destroyed during the WWII and was desperate for working hands.

I expect that you are aware that in the EU any New Rules and Directives have been agreed by all members, in advance and then are transposed to their National Laws.

The Directive 2004/38/EU “Freedom of movement”, was agreed by all members and the UK agreed to exempt the new countries Poland, Romania and Bulgaria for 5 years, but the UK was desperate for builders to prepare the Olympic Facilities, therefore was happy when charters started arriving at London Stansted Airport with Polish builders, doctors etc. Today I have discovered that in every hospital you visit you will find Greek Doctors and foreign Nurses and without them…..the system would have come to a halt!

The “Zionist Tory Party”  in Government, that created Israel (Remember Lord Balfour Declaration)  and it’s Brexiteer’s members promoted  immigration as the main problem with EU “because those bloody immigrants from the EU” were entitled of £25 per child and other benefits under the current regulations:

“An immigrant from the EU when granted a “Resident Card has Permanent status & Right of Residence”, renewable every 5 years and has the right to work, pay taxes and also has access to “Public funds”, according to the Government STATUTORY INSTRUMENT No 1026, “The Social Security (Persons from Abroad) Amendment Regulations 2006”, in accordance with Article 6 of the Directive 2004/38/EC “

Don’t you think it was better to pay £25 benefit for the children than having the whole family over here ….. clogging the whole system, Housing, Schools, Doctors, etc.? Most Polish people have gone back except a few who have created their own business, like you.

Moby will tell you that, I have become an expert, thanks to STE, about using the Directive 2004/38/EU etc. For your information my Russian wife despite that she was entitled to claim Public Funds, when she was sick, she never did and has been working full time since 2008!

and sold the Silver of the House.

It was actually Gordon Brown (Labour) that sold our gold reserves at the bottom of the market.

That was a small transaction to stabilise the system and it was Gordon Brown (Labour)who saved the British Banking system in 2008 …… and the country from going bust, albeit adding a lot of debt to the British people.

Sorry but it was Margaret Thatcher who imported and implemented the Neoliberal Polices from the US and sold everything owned by the UK public to foreign countries, like Germany, France etc. It was the Ex Tory PM MacMillan who said: “she sold the Silver of the House”.  Housing, Big bang, Building Societies , Public assets Privatisations and now only small parts of the NHS are left in public hands. You live up North where everything is much cheaper than down here…..as you very well know. You still can buy cheap houses up North where in the South is just a Dream Ritch Landlords, like you .....  are making themselves richer and richer daily!

It was Thatcher who squandered the North Sea windfall to pay 3 million unemployed she created as soon as she took over INSTEAD of creating a Public Fund… Like Norway and Sweden. Who are doing very well for themselves.

I am sure that the Tories will sell our valuable and priceless NHS.

Fake news. They'd have done it during the last nine years if that was the case. That's just Pinko scaremongering.

You are fooling yourself…..are you aware that Cameron on 2011 has changed the Law to state: “The secretary of State is not obligates to provide…..etc” read:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmbills/132/11132.i-v.html

Read the History of the NHS:

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/health-and-social-care-explained/nhs-reform-timeline/]
 

what happened when Thacher imposed the Poll tax?

The immigrants and students revolted as they'd have to pay more. We needed it and it still exists today in the form of Council Tax. Rates was an unfair system.

HA HA HA .... Always blame the immigrants and Arthur Scargill…….stop fooling yourself and make your maths…..about Council Tax.

I don't know what and which party to vote. Whatever I vote it will make no different..... The Tory candidate will be re-elected.

Make sure and vote Conservative. 

You obviously think I am ignorant and have not learned anything since I arrived in this country….in the 1970's !

I have already expressed my views about Brexit in another previous post…….all I have to say to you…….Please take off your blinkers……and then you will realise if the American Pharma……takes over you will see the end of our country.

As you are a trader…..would you ignore a 450 Million market or you would try to have a convenient and profitable deal?

NO I do not like the second referendum promised by Corbyn ... we are going to have one on THURSDAY!  and that should be good enough, if Labour is been elected.

Anything else is crap as also your video you posted with the clown........Boris.

 

[Manny]

Wiz, I am not going to change your mind, but consider these few points.

In 1979 Maggie Thatcher won the election and inherited a very, very broken country from Labour. I remember as a kid the power going out and going to bed by candlelight. I remember queuing for petrol with my Dad and shortages of sugar in the shop we had then. The Trade Unions had a stranglehold over this country, state industry like BL, the Coal Board and BT was pissing cash away with their inefficiency. Dead bodies not being buried, three day weeks. Labour and the Unions almost bankrupted our nation.

Thatcher sorted all that out. She reduced over manning, the one man one job nonsense, and broke the unions. She realised the state had no business trying to run businesses so sold them to people who could. BT, BG, BL, etc. Sold. The public became shareholders. She sold off some social housing to tenants (the state has no business being Landlords outside of the USSR and maybe North Korea). We became a nation of property owners, businesspeople and shareholders. Within a decade we were flying high, and as a teenager in the 80s I loved it!

By the time 1991 rolled around, I had a grant from Prince Charles to start a business and was on the Enterprise Allowance Scheme. The young were encouraged into business. I have never worked a day for anyone but myself since then. The Conservative party enabled that.

Look at the light hearted tunes of those times.

The country went dark in 1997 when Blair got in. Within six months I had broken up and sold the business I had then. I went off to Estonia and elsewhere to do some travelling. I wasn't prepared to pay tax to a socialist government to squander on "refugee Albanians" and the like.

Blair opened up the immigration floodgates and borrowed money to pay for socialist fantasies.

Blair and Brown - in true Labour tradition - eventually succeeded in almost bankrupting the country again and by the time Labour was ousted again, Liam Byrne, chief secretary to the Treasury under Gordon Brown left this note for his successor.



Since then we have had Cameron and May, essentially quasi-Conservatives treading water. Cameron was more interested in nonsense like gay marriage and was dubbed the 'heir to Blair'. May was weak and ineffective.

Thanks to Big Nige, we got our EU referendum, common sense prevailed and we voted to leave, Cameron lost and slunk away, May trod some water for a while and the Tories had to elect a new leader.

I was part of that and voted Boris! 



Now it's time for the country to confirm the PM our party chose for the next 5 years, crack on with Brexit and continue the good work. 

We cannot allow crusty old communists like Corbyn and McDonnell to take us back the 1970s again. Why the left will lose later this week.

[Wiz]

Manny, I am not going even to try to change your mind, but it appears we had very different experiences living in the UK. Just to make clear I never believed in the Communistic theories neither I joined any party of any colour.

I have not much experience of the life up North apart from sometimes, Landing in Manchester, Newcastle or Birmingham airports, returning from my trips to Greece.
Well I lived in Hastings, then central London, Marble Arch area and later on my 3rd year in business I bought a Cottage in Surrey and left London.

I was reading on the papers and listening on the radio about the problems in the country but despite the “winter of discontent”, when London was full of Rubbish and snow, I was surprised to see my clients coming to the office and paying cash from big wads. Tourism was on the up and people were happy to hear my Greek Accent….
I don’t remember having such problems as you describe and that was the same period when Thatcher came to power.

My view is a Nation to be strong and prosper firstly must have FREE Education, and control all main necessary elements that holding the Pyramid of the Nation, like water, Energy, Transportation, and more importantly the Health of the Nation.

Thatcher took a sledge hammer to crack a nut and she did… creating at the same time 3 million unemployment up from 700K when Labour Lost. You said that she sold shares to the public who bought the shares cheaply and sold them soon to the Vultures from the city or the banks……

She received Billions from the North sea oil and squandered paying 3 million unemployed people. To be re-elected she created the conditions for a war, with Argentina when she left unprotected the Falkland Islands and then when she prepared the armada…. We had the pictures from Southampton for days on our TV and “Rule Britannia,” until the army liberated the islands.

Regarding Council Housing that she sold very cheaply to the tenants, what actually she did was to reduce the supply thus firing the house prices UP and today to be able to get a house or a flat in the South you must be earning minimum £100k otherwise forget it. You cannot borrow from the banks!

Finally look what’s happen to the UK in the past 10 years with the austerity measures and the incompetent Tory Governments?

Boris the Clown and the Cons together with Nigel will sell the NHS to the American’s for a song!

 

[Markje]

In less than 3 days, The day will arrive from here when brexiteers from around the UK Will have the chance to finally rid the UK of the evil empire.. to save the "United Kingdom"" from tyranny "The United Kingdom"   once again be fighting for it's freedom… Not just from tyranny, oppression, or persecution… but from annihilation and submission to the German federal state of Europe. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the 13 of December  will no longer be known as any old day, but as the day the United Kingdom declared in one voice: We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!  We’re going to live on! We’re going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!”

Lets do it!!

Says the guy who doesn't live in the UK

Your " independence day " ain't going to be Dec 12th .. just like Oct and March 31st 2019 - it will be another day when UK PLC staggers to the 'next date' - be it another referendum or a 'deal' that will make us MUCH weaker than we were in 2016


Boris keeps spending millions on daft posters telling us to be 'ready for brexit'  and on the metro system of a nation falling over itself to join  the very club some want us to leave - you'll see ads for 'investing in Britain' - which - of course is desperation, as more firms are leaving ..


Boris talks of getting brexit done - but none of us  - including him - have a CLUE - about what the consequences will be ..

There will come a day, when the tipping point has been reached. That day will be when crashing-out would have been cheaper than trying to obstruct a brexit and prolonging the suffering of UK.

[Steveboy]

If labour get in and Brexit doesn't happen then it is third time lucky for the Germans , they couldn't beat us with tanks and bombs but finally did it with a f****** PEN!! Thats it the UK will be totally owned by the EU German superstate .. got to laugh at the whole bloody thing..

Thank god Im lot living in the UK!

[Manny]

My view is a Nation to be strong and prosper firstly must have FREE Education, and control all main necessary elements that holding the Pyramid of the Nation, like water, Energy, Transportation, and more importantly the Health of the Nation.

As you know, there are two schools of thought to this. One is the socialistic one you describe. The other - as we saw - shows us government isnt very good at running businesses and they end up running inefficiently and at a huge loss, and thus at a huge cost to the public purse. The downside to that is expensive energy as we have now, but that can be capped by government.

For me, all I want the government to do is schools (for those who don't want to or can't pay), run a healthcare system (for those who don't want to or can't pay), defend the country, put police on the streets, do street lighting, road repairs, civil and infrastructure works, and not much else.

I dont believe the government should be a car manufacturer (British Leyland) or Landlords to the poor.

Corbyn wants to renationalise the utilities, trains, Royal Mail, etc. Before you know it they'll want to make cars, renationalise BT again and introduce North Korean style food rationing. 

Free WiFi? What rubbish. Socialism never really works. Magic Grandpa doesn't get that, but the majority of the electorate does.

Regarding Council Housing that she sold very cheaply to the tenants, what actually she did was to reduce the supply thus firing the house prices UP and today to be able to get a house or a flat in the South you must be earning minimum £100k otherwise forget it. You cannot borrow from the banks!

The government has no need to be Landlords to the poor. I dont believe we should have social housing in its current form.

As for house prices, incentivise house builders, free up brownfield sites, relax planning rules and watch the houses appear.

The cradle to grave socialism model is what encourages the dimwitted to constantly breed gormless kids. If government gives them housing and money, they can doss about all day among clouds of Cannabis smoke, watching TV, eating chips and breeding more ne'er do wells. I'd not be encouraging the underclass to breed by giving them a lifetime of free stuff.

Incentivise work and enterprise instead. Reward the productive and the employers. Don't hammer the productive with too much tax. Some basic tenets of Thatcherism.

[Steveboy]

In less than 3 days, The day will arrive from here when brexiteers from around the UK Will have the chance to finally rid the UK of the evil empire.. to save the "United Kingdom"" from tyranny "The United Kingdom"   once again be fighting for it's freedom… Not just from tyranny, oppression, or persecution… but from annihilation and submission to the German federal state of Europe. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the 13 of December  will no longer be known as any old day, but as the day the United Kingdom declared in one voice: We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!  We’re going to live on! We’re going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!”

Lets do it!!

Says the guy who doesn't live in the UK

Your " independence day " ain't going to be Dec 12th .. just like Oct and March 31st 2019 - it will be another day when UK PLC staggers to the 'next date' - be it another referendum or a 'deal' that will make us MUCH weaker than we were in 2016


Boris keeps spending millions on daft posters telling us to be 'ready for brexit'  and on the metro system of a nation falling over itself to join  the very club some want us to leave - you'll see ads for 'investing in Britain' - which - of course is desperation, as more firms are leaving ..


Boris talks of getting brexit done - but none of us  - including him - have a CLUE - about what the consequences will be ..

Basically tomorrow is the second referendum you have been waiting for.. yep you got it!! People have had time to think over the last 3 years.. my ass!!

Anyway if it all goes tits up for you tomorrow I found some nice properties for you .. just in case you need to re locate near the fatherland..

https://blacklabel-properties.com/?gclid=CjwKCAiAxMLvBRBNEiwAKhr-nJxnTcJIEeC3wToExryXT_sePxALTrV-byXOVkYR_llV9V0ougIWExoCKsoQAvD_BwE

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property-for-sale/Berlin.html

Viel Glück   

[Wiz]

My view is a Nation to be strong and prosper firstly must have FREE Education, and control all main necessary elements that holding the Pyramid of the Nation, like water, Energy, Transportation, and more importantly the Health of the Nation.

As you know, there are two schools of thought to this. One is the socialistic one you describe. The other - as we saw - shows us government isnt very good at running businesses and they end up running inefficiently and at a huge loss, and thus at a huge cost to the public purse. The downside to that is expensive energy as we have now, but that can be capped by government.

Mrs Thatcher imported the Neoliberal Capitalist system from the US, where only big conglomerates running huge operations for the benefit of their owners and not for the good of the whole population, and today in the UK we can see the results. May I remind you of the ENRON scandal in the USA? 

I have not said that the state can run everything but only the main parts of the pyramid that hold the house together. Take a look at the Scandinavian model of Social Democracy, or ask our Swedish member to tell you all about it.

Before Mrs T destroyed the Miners, we had cheap electricity and today we are in the top list regarding cost in the EU. Germany closed down all the expensive and dangerous nuclear run factories and imports cheap gas from Russia and coal from Greece. BTW before Greece joined the EU we had the cheapest electricity costs and today the Nationalised Company is Bust, because of the Neoliberal Privatisation system imposed to them.

In France the water utilities were privatised but the Paris people went on strike and now is back to public ownership and cheap bills.

For me, all I want the government to do is schools (for those who don't want to or can't pay), run a healthcare system (for those who don't want to or can't pay), defend the country, put police on the streets, do street lighting, road repairs, civil and infrastructure works, and not much else.

I agree for the first 2 but it was the Tories who reduced the Police by 20000 and closed downlocal police stations....and look at the weekly count of deaths in London.

Where I live we had a police station 5 minutes away and another one at Dorking 10 min but all closed. The nearest is Guilford that takes a police car around 20 min and no police on foot/streets. Living near the M25 we have the police helicopter on weekly basis flying above our house. When the Cons took over our council we have not seen any road improvements since 1993.....

I dont believe the government should be a car manufacturer (British Leyland) or Landlords to the poor.

Corbyn wants to renationalise the utilities, trains, Royal Mail, etc. Before you know it they'll want to make cars, renationalise BT again and introduce North Korean style food rationing. 

Free WiFi? What rubbish. Socialism never really works. Magic Grandpa doesn't get that, but the majority of the electorate does.

British Layland was Nationalised because was going Bust........and their management (Edward)  was useless.

I agree with Corbyn that water must be in the hands of the state and not to be a commodity. The state owns and maintains all train lines and the not so Private Foreign Companies are running subsidized exclusive monopolies and we the clients pay very expensive fares. I am sure you know about these prices  or you never use trains?

The Royal mail should be in Government hands to make sure every house in the UK is receiving home post and keep low prices.

Corbyn said to Nationalise only the Open Reach subsidiary of BT who is responsible for the Lines and tel centres. Sorry  but today we have crap internet and only Virgin is providing fiber lines where the BT broadband.........from the corner box, a mile away from my house, it's copper where my MIL who lives in my wife's house has Fiber and runs TV,  Phone and Internet..... for 450 Rubles a month and her internet speed is 60 megabits.  I pay £43 tel and Internet and I get only 18 megabits.

Capitalism doesn't work for everybody but for few rich people who don't give a shite for the masses and only asks for their help during wars to protect  their assets. Don't forget the Society in the UK is divided by Classes. The Elite owns the land and the poor have to work and generate their wealth to survive on crap hourly payment, while they are amassing millions on assets.

Regarding Council Housing that she sold very cheaply to the tenants, what actually she did was to reduce the supply thus firing the house prices UP and today to be able to get a house or a flat in the South you must be earning minimum £100k otherwise forget it. You cannot borrow from the banks!

The government has no need to be Landlords to the poor. I dont believe we should have social housing in its current form.

As for house prices, incentivise house builders, free up brownfield sites, relax planning rules and watch the houses appear.

Social housing and Social care are a necessity and the way they offloaded council housing to "private Charitable" Housing Associations is a scandal. Do you think a Housing Association can run satisfactory 125000 houses and flats. Go to google and search for the biggest landlord of  Housing Associations and read customers comments.

The cradle to grave socialism model is what encourages the dimwitted to constantly breed gormless kids. If government gives them housing and money, they can doss about all day among clouds of Cannabis smoke, watching TV, eating chips and breeding more ne'er do wells. I'd not be encouraging the underclass to breed by giving them a lifetime of free stuff.

Incentivise work and enterprise instead. Reward the productive and the employers. Don't hammer the productive with too much tax. Some basic tenets of Thatcherism.

Sorry but I found the  first pat of your above comments childish and not worth my effort to reply. The world and our Nation are not perfect but we have not reached  levels of depravity and extremes as the US.

Governments are there to provide help for every section of the society and not only the FEW.

Thatcher had the opportunity to change the UK for the better but she sided with the few rich B who kicked her out when she installed the necessary elements for them to get richer....... so now we suffer the results of her policies.

[Markje]

Right, so instead of brexit, i looked today at the choices for government finance.

Labour: Raise taxes on the rich. (Corbyn)
libdems: Raise corporate taxes.
snp: Raise taxes on everybody.
Conservatives: Loan more with investors. (Johnson)

Now the latter sounds more appealing but I wonder if it really is. Loans have to be repaid after all.

[Markje]

Right, so instead of brexit, i looked today at the choices for government health program.

Labour: create a state drug company to keep spending / prices for medicine in check. (Corbyn)
libdems: Treat psychological diseases the same as physical diseases. More funding for nut-houses.
snp: Protect the NHS from privatization. (no specific goals listed)
Conservatives: Invest 33 Billion pounds more than they already do in the NHS. (Johnson)

I don't see anything that works really, except for Johnson. Creating your own drug company isn't going to cut prices on medicine. Protecting the NHS from privatization sounds noble but it already is, unless the state puts it up for sale. And psych-diseases the same as physical just sounds wrong, they are two totally different things with totally different needs and thus funding.

Mark.
Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-uk-election-primer/

[Manny]

Take a look at the Scandinavian model of Social Democracy, or ask our Swedish member to tell you all about it.

The socialist policies adopted by Sweden - importing Muslims to rape their women and children - has destroyed a once great country.

In France.................

More socialism.......

look at the weekly count of deaths in London.

By Muslims imported under Labour.

The Royal mail should be in Government hands to make sure every house in the UK is receiving home post and keep low prices.

So you want to steal my Royal Mail shares? Imagine the carnage in the country with the government taking private property. The capital flight would cause the economy to collapse.

Thatcher had the opportunity to change the UK for the better

And she did.

[rosco]

I was thinking about our political situation this morning and we've essentially polarised into 2 separate groups of voters. One particular group wants free stuff, open borders and to be governed by foreigners. The means to deliver that, is to steal from those who worked, saved and invested. I'm all for a social safety net but encouraging people to be lazy, takes you straight to the scene of the accident.

People intentionally confuse equal opportunity with equal outcome, two very different things. There's also an unhealthy obsession to dilute our culture and apologise for the past....almost every Labour supporter ever! When you look at the average Labour supporter today, its quite easy to see why.

So my solution here is to hold a GE and vote in the government most popular with the people, I believe they call it democracy. There will be winners and losers but it's vitally important that the losers accept the result....sounds familiar right? 

When the democratically elected government sets a tax rate deemed fair and reasonable and said loser doesn't agree, then HMRC should allow for said loser to contribute more, directly from his/her own income. I hear many a socialist say "I'd be happy to pay more tax if it helped the homeless/children in poverty/NHS" etc, so lets give them the opportunity. HMRC - take their money, they want to pay more!!

Oh right....but you want to force me, to also give up a larger portion of my heard earned, to appease your bleeding heart....even though I probably pay more than you already?! 

How many of these champaign socialists do you think would actually take up the offer from HMRC? I think almost none. For them its more about the power than actually solving the problems that keep them awake at night. Look at Moby, he wont even make a small donation to the very forum he pollutes.

Roll on a Boris majority 

[msmoby]

Rosco and Manny

Our borders are not 'open'.. why LIE?

You know VERY well that EU citizens can be refused entry and those admitted who commit crimes can be admitted.

Sweden: which of our Swedish member's wives has been raped ?

Has my wife been raped on beaches in 'Muslim' countries?

Have my kids been raped in London...? Onevhas lived opposite Tower Hamlets for years and she and her younger sister wear short skirts and manage to walk home after clubbing intact...

The UK opted out of the obligation to share the load in refugee crisis.

[d672]

 It seems even the EU leaders are rooting for Boris. Interesting!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/12/11/forgiven-europes-leaders-pray-boris-horrified-thoughts-corbyn/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

[Wiz]

Take a look at the Scandinavian model of Social Democracy, or ask our Swedish member to tell you all about it.

The socialist policies adopted by Sweden - importing Muslims to rape their women and children - has destroyed a once great country.

In France.................

More socialism.......

look at the weekly count of deaths in London.

By Muslims imported under Labour.

The Royal mail should be in Government hands to make sure every house in the UK is receiving home post and keep low prices.

So you want to steal my Royal Mail shares? Imagine the carnage in the country with the government taking private property. The capital flight would cause the economy to collapse.

Thatcher had the opportunity to change the UK for the better

And she did.

Manny you appear to copy MOBY's STYLE!

As far as I am aware we were having an interesting debate. Now you changed your style and you are adopting Moby's indifferent accusatory and selective style.

Well I call his tactic.....fake and for me it is not an interesting conversation anymore but "a worthless conversation", talking with slogans like they do all, right wing western MSM.

About Sweden.... I suggested to you to ask the member Valenki to give you better explanations about Sweden and what happened there the past few years.

Finally it will be good for your to read some articles about the Legacy of Mrs Thatcher. Hopefully you will learn some truths about your idol.

What is the nature of Margaret Thatcher’s legacy?

and also

Margaret Thatcher: Her legacy is public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed

 

[Manny]

Rosco and Manny

Our borders are not 'open'.. why LIE?

You know VERY well that EU citizens can be refused entry and those admitted who commit crimes can be admitted.

Sweden: which of our Swedish member's wives has been raped ?

Has my wife been raped on beaches in 'Muslim' countries?

Have my kids been raped in London...? Onevhas lived opposite Tower Hamlets for years and she and her younger sister wear short skirts and manage to walk home after clubbing intact...

The UK opted out of the obligation to share the load in refugee crisis.

You are beyond hope.

The people sitting in the room with the "reformed terrorist" in London last week thought like you. He killed two people before he was shot by police.

Khan, who was from Stoke-on-Trent, was prosecuted seven years ago, for taking part in a plot to attack the London Stock Exchange, among other sites, and to build a jihadi training camp in Pakistan. He was ordered to serve an “indeterminate public protection sentence,” with a minimum of eight years. In 2012, I.P.P.s were abolished because they could keep low-risk offenders in jail for too long. In 2013, Khan’s prison term was amended to sixteen years, and, because of a general sentencing policy introduced by Gordon Brown’s Labour government, in 2008, he was released a year ago, halfway through his term. According to the Observer, as one of the conditions for his release, Khan, who was twenty-eight, had to meet with probation officers twice a week. He also wore an electronic tag. He received permission to attend an event last Friday held by Learning Together, a program run by Cambridge University’s criminology institute, which works to rehabilitate former offenders.

The event, a celebration of five years of work by the charity, was held at Fishmongers’ Hall, an elegant neoclassical building that opens onto London Bridge. It started with a brunch. Toward the end of a creative-writing session, Khan drew a pair of large knives and killed Jack Merritt, a twenty-five-year-old course coördinator, and Saskia Jones, a twenty-three-year-old volunteer.

These are the people your daughters walk among at 2am and your wife sunbathes among in their own countries almost naked. You are boasting that your nearest and dearest have so far managed to avoid jihad. The 'progressives' you support and the Muslim apologists like you indirectly caused that and many other tragedies. You should hang your head in shame for defending those people. Silly man.

[some words]

Wiz, BBC websites and the Guardian are not evidence of anything. You're a socialist; we get it.

[Steveboy]

Im flying home from the Uk in an hour Im sure I saw Dian abbot making a run for it on the london Metro!!



Wonder if I can get Election highlights mid flight..

[Lord of the Dance]

Im flying home from the Uk in an hour Im sure I saw Dian abbot making a run for it on the london Metro!!



Wonder if I can get Election highlights mid flight..

 

Exit poll is predicting an 86-seat conservative majority. 

[Manny]

Dianne Abbott

I thought I'd try out life under Labour for a few moments.



Start with a grand, end up with 8 pence. Sounds about right. 

And about a third of voters will vote for that. Wiz would be one......

 

[Markje]

brexit is now full steam ahead. 

[Manny]

Exit poll is predicting an 86-seat conservative majority.

As predicted, Boris looks to be about to walk it. 

The left are in meltdown already. The BBC is publishing lefties hand wringing. 

brexit is now full steam ahead. 

Guaranteed now. 

Boris looks to be on track for the biggest Tory majority since the (3rd) 1987 Thatcher victory.

I called it in August. Moby said I was wrong.

Prediction: Boris Johnson will win by a country mile.

Manny, you WERE wrong..

We'll see the exact results in the morning, but back pedal at your leisure, Moby. 

Edit: First seat has just declared, Blyth Valley has gone to the Tories from Labour the first time since 1950. 

[rosco]

Rosco and Manny

Our borders are not 'open'.. why LIE?

You know VERY well that EU citizens can be refused entry and those admitted who commit crimes can be admitted.

Sweden: which of our Swedish member's wives has been raped ?

Has my wife been raped on beaches in 'Muslim' countries?

Have my kids been raped in London...? Onevhas lived opposite Tower Hamlets for years and she and her younger sister wear short skirts and manage to walk home after clubbing intact...

The UK opted out of the obligation to share the load in refugee crisis.

Please post regularly Moby, I’d like to witness your meltdown first hand. #triggered!!!

[rosco]

Im flying home from the Uk in an hour Im sure I saw Dian abbot making a run for it on the london Metro!!



Wonder if I can get Election highlights mid flight..

I don’t believe it. She appears to be wearing the same shoes!!