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Does Russia want to return to the old style Soviet Days?
Or is this much ado about nothing?

Russia Will Test Its Ability to Disconnect from the Internet
“The Russian government, particularly since seeing the role
social media played in the Arab Spring, has wanted over the
last decade to exert tight control over the online information
space within Russia’s borders,” said Justin Sherman, a cybersecurity policy fellow at New America who studies
internet governance and digital authoritarianism.

“Free information flows are a threat to regime stability, and they need to be controlled, the narrative goes.”
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2019/10/russia-will-test-its-ability-disconnect-internet/160861/


Russia may tighten grip on internet, allowing more control of online information

Russians Will Soon Lose Uncensored Access to the Internet

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2019/04/russians-will-soon-lose-uncensored-access-internet/156531/?oref=d1-related-article


As Putin Era Begins to Wane, Russia Unleashes a Sweeping Crackdown
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-putin-era-begins-to-wane-russia-unleashes-a-sweeping-crackdown/ar-AAJhg7o


Russia’s Domestic Internet Is a Threat to the Global Internet
https://slate.com/technology/2019/10/russia-runet-disconnection-domestic-internet.html
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2019, 01:40:55 PM »
Those articles appear to be based upon bad information, or are purposefully dishonest. Probably a bit of both.

Russia has set up the capability to disengage from the global DNS system in order to maintain communications during times of war or other catastrophe. Given that do much of what we all do depends upon the distributed network system called the Internet it makes sense to have a backup system to ensure communications in difficult times.

The DNS system is controlled by the United States and the highest level control is in the United States.

The system set up in Russia is not analagous to the Great Wall of China. For propaganda purposes, to make that false analogy is worthwhile.

Russia, much like the United States is concerned by issues of data sovereignty and seeks to manage the issues in similar ways.
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2019, 02:40:46 PM »
There are many countries with a restricted Internet and the UK is one of them. You go on a UK BT connection and try and access certain content, download sites or even sites like Pirate Bay and they won’t let you on. You will need to use a VPN.

Don’t imagine if there was civil unrest in the UK or the USA that the Internet would not go down in a heartbeat.

And it’s all very well having a functioning Internet, but finding things is only as good as the search engine, and the worlds favourite search engine - Google - delists a lot of things for political reasons and at the behest of elements in the US government. For certain things, Yandex or Baidu is all that will get you there. And as we know, the Internet that we see is only around 20% of the actual Internet; the rest of it being the darknet.

Let’s not kid ourselves: our access to the Internet is already very much tracked and controlled, but that control is very much a secret to the masses.

And here’s an ironic twist: I’m writing this post from Beijing, behind China’s great Internet wall we all hear so much about without a VPN. Go figure.....


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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2019, 05:30:56 PM »
How's the motherland?! haven't been back in a while myself.  Well as long as it is not Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Instagram...your site probably doesn't rank too high among their list of things to be concerned with  ;D  Russia is seen as an ally to China.

Just don't ask for local internet SIM's or you'll need to provide a face scan if you are a citizen.

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2019, 01:10:22 PM »
Does Russia want to return to the old style Soviet Days?
First of all, you'd need another paranoid, megalomaniac like Stalin in the Kremlin. Then you'd have to keep him there for a minimum of 10 years. No, Russia neither wants nor will return to those days.
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2019, 02:55:24 AM »
Except, that they are already there and it has been c.18 years since VVP arrived and now the paranoia is complete.


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Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2019, 09:26:02 AM »
Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ‘not killed by US military’ Russia claims
Russia said it has 'doubts' in Donald’s Trump’s claim that
ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has died

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda


Russian military questions US account of raid that killed ISIS leader
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/h_a819629777b91c72f135a29aac4e9eec
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2019, 09:32:27 AM »
We used to use lots of the pirate Russian sites for watching movies , some are pretty good can watch the newest releases in good quality HD but they are or have been cracking down on all these sort of web sites even more recently and blocking them, the websites have been getting around it by just adding a 1then a 2 and so on to the domain name and changing servers , that went on for about 12 months and now they seem to of blocked the videos from even playing.

I think pirate channels showing online movies are just about to bite the dust permanently..
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Re: Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ‘not killed by US military’ Russia claims
Russia said it has 'doubts' in Donald’s Trump’s claim that
ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has died

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda


Russian military questions US account of raid that killed ISIS leader
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/h_a819629777b91c72f135a29aac4e9eec

Given that the Russians seem to think they topped him a month or so ago I am not surprised by their suggestion that the USAians didn't do it. :)

It seems also that Mr. Trump was making allusions to cooperation that did not occur.
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Re: Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2019, 10:27:12 AM »
Russia: Trump’s Baghdadi Victory Lap Is Nothing But ‘Propaganda’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ‘not killed by US military’ Russia claims
Russia said it has 'doubts' in Donald’s Trump’s claim that
ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has died

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-trumps-baghdadi-victory-lap-is-nothing-but-propaganda


Russian military questions US account of raid that killed ISIS leader
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/h_a819629777b91c72f135a29aac4e9eec

Given that the Russians seem to think they topped him a month or so ago I am not surprised by their suggestion that the USAians didn't do it. :)

It seems also that Mr. Trump was making allusions to cooperation that did not occur.

I am glad that they are accusing the "USAians" and not the Americans.  Most Americans do not know any USAians (except the left wing politically correct crowd maybe).
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2019, 10:42:42 AM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

A USAian is a person who lives in the United States of America.

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Facts, hard to argue with them, eh?
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2019, 11:24:10 AM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

A USAian is a person who lives in the United States of America.

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Facts, hard to argue with them, eh?

I suggest you come over here and try to explain that to the people that are citizens of the USA.

I know you want to use your unpronounceable term but most who live here in America would not use it.
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2019, 11:44:55 AM »
uhhh... if you tried to say the word "USAian" people would think you are some alien.  I ain't never hear no American refer to themselves an "usaian"  Come to think of it I've never heard a single person say that.

American means someone from the USA.
Canadian from Canada.

If you are from South America you would say "South American".
Brazilian, Mexican, Argentinian, Cuban etc...

Some brotha from Compton be trippin' if you say he some "Aian" like some Asian dude.. you might get the 2 piece and soda. aight we out.

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 12:59:13 PM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

A USAian is a person who lives in the United States of America.

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Facts, hard to argue with them, eh?
Precisely. On a number of occasions, I have had people calling themselves Americans who criticize us Europeans for this or for that but they seem perplexed when I return the favour by slandering their drug cartels.
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 01:05:15 PM »
Guile, of course, the USA is the centre of the world. USAians are the least self-centered, most open-minded, best-educated people in the world.

Nobody but USAians live in America.

If a sensible person who knows that the foregoing is a load of guff wants to be accurate then calling the people who live in the United States 'Americans' is an anathema.

So, please suggest to us a term that is accurate and does not, by its use, include hundreds of millions of people who are NOT citizens of the United States of America.

It is clear that you are one of the many people who do not understand what a map is and who are too lazy to be accurate in thought or expression.

That's fine, be inaccurate, self-centered and dumb. Don't expect the rest of us to feel a need to emulate you.

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 01:06:27 PM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

A USAian is a person who lives in the United States of America.

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Facts, hard to argue with them, eh?

I suggest you come over here and try to explain that to the people that are citizens of the USA.

I know you want to use your unpronounceable term but most who live here in America would not use it.
Perhaps that is true but you may have noticed that andrewfi is speaking English. I'm not sure what language it is that is spoken in the US.  From what I can gather it must be "cliché" they speak.
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2019, 02:20:53 PM »
Yankee, you can call yourself whatever you want. I don't mind. If you are unable to identify yourself as being a citizen of the United States of America that's your problem. I at least do you the favour of doing so accurately.

Lazy, ill-informed and self-centered thinking does you and millions of your peers no favours.

USAian is not a particularly beautiful word but it is impossible to confuse USAian with Mexican, Canadian or other inhabitants of America.

How many Canadians or Mexicans would be happy to be lumped in with you lot?
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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2019, 03:43:46 PM »
andrewfi, first of all I have lived in more places than you.  North America, Asia, Europe, Russia...  2nd like several posters mentioned you tend to insult people when they disagree with you.  Work on that, it's a fatal flaw.  your exact quote: "  be inaccurate, self-centered and dumb" 

3rd try calling any American you meet an USAian.  You might feel pretty dumb yourself when everyone stares at you like you are from outer space.

You can pretend that "USAsian" is a term all you want.  But everyone else calls us Americans.


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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2019, 03:54:45 PM »

Perhaps that is true but you may have noticed that andrewfi is speaking English. I'm not sure what language it is that is spoken in the US.  From what I can gather it must be "cliché" they speak.

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2019, 04:32:44 PM »
andrewfi so are you British or English?

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2019, 08:26:29 PM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Since we are discussing semantics, I might as well include
some additional information.

What do you call South Africans? SAians?
Afrikaners?

"Southern Africa, southernmost region of the African continent, comprising the countries of Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Swaziland, Zambia, and Zimbabwe."
https://www.britannica.com/place/Southern-Africa


The USA was the first independent country of North America. 
Mexico and Canada were territories of Spain, Great Britain
and France still had the Louisiana territory and weren't
considered countries by anyone who knew how to draw
a map or form a government.

Since we were already called American's since the 1500's 
https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2016/07/how-did-america-get-its-name/

When we declared independence in 1776 we told everybody
the name of our country and what our countrymen were called  and fought a war to prove it. 

The Canadians gained independence in 1867 and Mexicans
in 1810 and they already had names which didn't conflict
with our name. They specifically didn't include the continent
of North "America" in their names since we already had it.
I think that you might find the same to be true for the
South Africans.

None of the other Southern African nations had independence
yet. So the Botwanian's or Nambian's don't call the South
Africans SAians since they were late to the independence
party.

We won and we won first that's why we are Americans and
nobody else is, as did the South Africans.

The entire continent is called North America by the way, not
just America.

Mexico by the way is officially the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos"
(the United Mexican States) but call themselves Mexicans
instead of UMSians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Mexico

HOWEVER, if it makes you happy to call us USAian's do
what makes you happy. I certainly wouldn't want to
deprive you of any happiness.

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2019, 08:45:41 PM »
Perhaps that is true but you may have noticed that andrewfi is speaking English. I'm not sure what language it is that is spoken in the US.  From what I can gather it must be "cliché" they speak.

We have our own version of English and our own dictionaries
and we went to war with the UK back in 1776 and again in
1812 and it was decided once and for all that the UK couldn't
tell us how to do stuff anymore.

Here's a dictionary from 1828 written 29 years before Canada
became a country. 
https://www.google.com/search?q=merriam+webster+dictionary+of+the+american+language&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG5puvxsDlAhUQSK0KHRnBA8kQsxgIMg&biw=1056&bih=501

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Re: Return to the old style Soviet Days? Or is this much ado about nothing
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2019, 08:47:15 PM »
An American is a person who lives in the Americas

A USAian is a person who lives in the United States of America.

In informal use, when being accurate and not wanting to tar millions of Canadians and Mexicans with the same brush, one uses USAian.

Facts, hard to argue with them, eh?

I suggest you come over here and try to explain that to the people that are citizens of the USA.

I know you want to use your unpronounceable term but most who live here in America would not use it.
Perhaps that is true but you may have noticed that andrewfi is speaking English. I'm not sure what language it is that is spoken in the US.  From what I can gather it must be "cliché" they speak.

I always thought that the users of this forum communicate with text not audio.  Perhaps Andrew speaks to you but I have only read his written words.  I have never heard Andrew speak.
You should read about dialects, you might learn to understand there are many dialects of the English language.  One of those dialects is American English (not USAian English).
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2019, 08:54:30 PM »

Perhaps that is true but you may have noticed that andrewfi is speaking English. I'm not sure what language it is that is spoken in the US.  From what I can gather it must be "cliché" they speak.

Couldn't afford the plane ticket over or is your ISP still dial up and you can't stream youtube vids?   ;D  If you want a lesson in "street English" brotha get your holster up cause we ain't be playin' boi. Dig?  tiphat