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30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« on: August 11, 2019, 04:15:19 PM »
While just watching PBS they mentioned this anniversary in Europe and they focused on Poland.


And in an emphatic two-fingered gesture to the Left in general, many Eastern Europeans adopted as a symbol of their liberation American President Ronald Reagan. Leftists in the 1980s – and I guiltily put up my own hand here – had seen Reagan as a fraudulent clown, a bad Hollywood actor who got lucky, and a simple-minded warmonger. We had our own very low opinion of the Soviet Union, but we still sniggered at Reagan’s claim that it was an ‘evil empire’. Well, we were wrong. It was an evil empire and Reagan’s refusal to be intimidated by its power, and his willingness to apply western technical and financial superiority to outface the Soviets militarily, were hugely important in the ending of communism.


https://www.mercatornet.com/mobile/view/the-death-of-communism-a-30-year-anniversary-we-wont-be-hearing-much-about
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2019, 04:10:12 PM »
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"Poland showed to Europe and to the whole world that you can build a democracy without violence or bloodshed," said Tusk, who was an activist in the Solidarity labor movement.

He cited another anniversary-- the Tiananmen Square massacre in China-- to contrast Poland's largely peaceful transition away from communism.



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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2019, 03:56:24 AM »
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"Poland showed to Europe and to the whole world that you can build a democracy without violence or bloodshed," said Tusk, who was an activist in the Solidarity labor movement.

He cited another anniversary-- the Tiananmen Square massacre in China-- to contrast Poland's largely peaceful transition away from communism.



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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2019, 05:18:24 AM »
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"Poland showed to Europe and to the whole world that you can build a democracy without violence or bloodshed," said Tusk, who was an activist in the Solidarity labor movement.

He cited another anniversary-- the Tiananmen Square massacre in China-- to contrast Poland's largely peaceful transition away from communism.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/29982077.html

Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2019, 11:30:54 PM »
An article from the point of view of the merits of Communism.


“Those who experienced the events of those years would be forgiven for wondering why so many outsiders were celebrating the fall of communism. Moreover, even as incomes eventually recovered and then rose to new heights, it came at the expense of significantly longer working hours, incomparably more stress, frayed family relations and social bonds, and massive cultural change….For all these reasons, those old enough to remember the Polish People’s Republic remain ambivalent even today about the transformations.”


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/29/1868388/-Why-don-t-people-celebrate-the-end-of-communism
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 09:57:13 AM »
The agricultural commissar goes out on his routine inspection of the state collective farmlands. He asks the first farm worker that he runs into, "how are the crop yields?" "They've never been better!" replies the farmhand. "How about the potatoes?" the commissar continues to inquire. "Oh, comrade commissar, if we could put all the potatoes in one pile, the height of that pile would reach the foot of God!" The commissar responds, "This is the Soviet Union… there is no god here." The farmhand says, "well, there are no potatoes either so you better start to pray."

I'm amazed at the number of people who still revere leaders like Stalin. If that is the sort of government they want, they should have it back.

   
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 10:58:20 AM »
The agricultural commissar goes out on his routine inspection of the state collective farmlands. He asks the first farm worker that he runs into, "how are the crop yields?" "They've never been better!" replies the farmhand. "How about the potatoes?" the commissar continues to inquire. "Oh, comrade commissar, if we could put all the potatoes in one pile, the height of that pile would reach the foot of God!" The commissar responds, "This is the Soviet Union… there is no god here." The farmhand says, "well, there are no potatoes either so you better start to pray."

I'm amazed at the number of people who still revere leaders like Stalin. If that is the sort of government they want, they should have it back.


The brand of socialism which actually worked the best was German Socialism just prior to WWII.

The reason it worked the best was because Hitler kicked out the Central bankers and Germany controlled their own money.

This is a huge reason why the international media continues to vilify him: because the same people who control all of the Central bankers also control the media.

Central bankers deliberately cause boom and busts so that their tribe members who are millionaires can buy gobs of real estate low and become Billionaires.

Obviously Hitler caused the downfall of Germany by invading everyone around him and by rounding up certain people for camps.

People always study Communism but how many people study Germany’s version of Socialism just prior to the war?

It was an economic miracle. Remember Ron Paul and his campaign to audit the Fed? He’s also been vilified by the press.

Iran and Syria also control their own money and there’s a constant desire by the press for war against them.

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 11:14:42 AM »
Iran and Syria also control their own money and there’s a constant desire by the press for war against them.

The US makes an enemy of any country that wants to control its own money. Libya was a good example, didn't they steal the national gold after invading IIRC? Russia is another example. If you aren't beholden to the dollar, you're an enemy.

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 12:03:38 PM »
Iran and Syria also control their own money and there’s a constant desire by the press for war against them.

The US makes an enemy of any country that wants to control its own money. Libya was a good example, didn't they steal the national gold after invading IIRC? Russia is another example. If you aren't beholden to the dollar, you're an enemy.

We don’t control our own foreign policy and neither does the U.K. control its own foreign policy.

Realizing that is the first step towards regaining liberty.

Notice that Trump is enemy number one of the International media.

Why? Because he’s not a Globalist. Globalism is the new Communism.

I predict the Globalists will get their way within 50 years.


PS. I’ve read that Libyan gold is now part of Queen Elizabeth’s private collection. I was also told by a US Marine that we were guarding mines in Afghanistan controlled by the Queen of England.

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Imagine his horror. Buried in documents passing across his desk he discovered evidence of an illegal plot between Mi6 and a group of Libyan dissidents known as the Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). They were planning to assassinate Libya’s leader General Gaddafi, kick off a coup and divide the country into a series of feudal states. Worse still, on speaking to Mi6 agents, he discovered the coup had already gone ahead, the whole thing had been a disaster, innocents had been killed in Gaddafi’s place and no one in Mi5 or Mi6 gave a shit. Shayler - who clearly hadn’t been paying attention to the cynical realities of British history- was outraged by an action that he felt made the UK no better than those it claimed moral superiority over. In 1997 he turned whistle blower, handing over evidence of the plot to the Mail on Sunday before promptly getting out of England.


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PPS. Nice try at blaming the USA...Pot, Kettle, Black.  :chuckle:
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2019, 12:30:45 PM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East".  The current ruling party, "Law and Justice", won an outright majority by being pro-Poland, socially conservative and pro-family.  When Hollande and Merkel showed up and invited Poland to "share" in the "wonderful diversity" last seen running people over with trucks, shooting up Paris and exploding all over the West, the government said, "Ok" and the people said, "Um, how about  :censored:  NO?!" which resulted in an outright win for Law and Justice - the first time that Poland didn't have a coalition government since the fall of Communism.

The formula in the West (and not just the EU):

Left Wing Governments: "We are going to flood your countries with people who arent like you, do not share your values, and we are going to force you to pay for it."

Left Wing Media: "We are going to demonize your people 24/7 and celebrate all kinds of degeneracy."

Left Wing Academia: "We are going to teach your kids to hate you, themsleves, and their nation."

All Three: "Why you so mad?"

The point is not to reconstitute the CCCP and the Warsaw Pact, it's looking at the EU and thinking "Why do we want to follow them down the path of ethnomasochism and self-destruction?"

Watch Law and Justice MP Dominik Tarczyński dunking at will on awful BBC shrike Cathy Newman:


Dominik Tarczyński on illegal immigration:


Not the moderator's "But muh FEELINGS!!" about people who "only want a better life" bullshit.

Of course, Poland is not alone amon the so-called Visegrád Group of nations, and in that way, the East is showing the way for keeping the West, y'know Western

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2019, 01:08:37 PM »
Iran and Syria also control their own money and there’s a constant desire by the press for war against them.

The US makes an enemy of any country that wants to control its own money. Libya was a good example, didn't they steal the national gold after invading IIRC? Russia is another example. If you aren't beholden to the dollar, you're an enemy.

Of course there’s some truth in what you wrote. My point is that the “Federal Reserve” is not actually part of the US government, it was a successful Zionist scheme to control the US money supply on behalf of Rothschild bankers in London.

The World is controlled by crooks, what are you gonna do? Like everyone else we all have to live by their rules. Hillary Clinton, Boris Johnson, Sarkozy: all puppets but if they played by the rules they got rewarded.

Gadaffi’s crime was his plan to finance an African currency to compete against the French Franc and the US dollar. No doubt if NATO didn’t kill him he would have succeeded.


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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2019, 01:14:34 PM »
B/B:

Or, Left-wing media: Trump and his supporters are Racists who hate brown people!!!
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2019, 02:02:26 PM »
An article from the point of view of the merits of Communism.


“Those who experienced the events of those years would be forgiven for wondering why so many outsiders were celebrating the fall of communism. Moreover, even as incomes eventually recovered and then rose to new heights, it came at the expense of significantly longer working hours, incomparably more stress, frayed family relations and social bonds, and massive cultural change….For all these reasons, those old enough to remember the Polish People’s Republic remain ambivalent even today about the transformations.”


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/29/1868388/-Why-don-t-people-celebrate-the-end-of-communism

Should anyone be shocked that the liberal faggots over at Daily Kos wax nostalgic for Communism?  Even while stating "But it wasn't 'muh TRUE Commuism!" that never existed, instead it's "Muh Corrupt State Communism" and therefore bad, but still sort of better than Western Capitalism, because: Feelings.

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2019, 02:29:29 PM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East". 

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Eastern-european countries, latvia, lithuania, estonia, hungary, etc. And then form a strong block to oppose france/german dominance in the EU. They're already forming as the EU is talking about 'visegrad' countries as a group instead of individual members.
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2019, 02:34:15 PM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East".  The current ruling party, "Law and Justice", won an outright majority by being pro-Poland, socially conservative and pro-family.  When Hollande and Merkel showed up and invited Poland to "share" in the "wonderful diversity" last seen running people over with trucks, shooting up Paris and exploding all over the West, the government said, "Ok" and the people said, "Um, how about  :censored:  NO?!" which resulted in an outright win for Law and Justice - the first time that Poland didn't have a coalition government since the fall of Communism.

The formula in the West (and not just the EU):

Left Wing Governments: "We are going to flood your countries with people who arent like you, do not share your values, and we are going to force you to pay for it."

Left Wing Media: "We are going to demonize your people 24/7 and celebrate all kinds of degeneracy."

Left Wing Academia: "We are going to teach your kids to hate you, themsleves, and their nation."

All Three: "Why you so mad?"

The point is not to reconstitute the CCCP and the Warsaw Pact, it's looking at the EU and thinking "Why do we want to follow them down the path of ethnomasochism and self-destruction?"

Watch Law and Justice MP Dominik Tarczyński dunking at will on awful BBC shrike Cathy Newman:


Dominik Tarczyński on illegal immigration:


Not the moderator's "But muh FEELINGS!!" about people who "only want a better life" bullshit.

Of course, Poland is not alone amon the so-called Visegrád Group of nations, and in that way, the East is showing the way for keeping the West, y'know Western

B/B

That polish dude is the dogs bollocks!

Sadly it would never work in the west because we’ve got far too many fuzzy thinking, bleeding heart idiots who wouldn’t support him. One thing the Poles have got absolutely bang on, is their bullshit filter.

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2019, 02:57:44 PM »
An article from the point of view of the merits of Communism.


“Those who experienced the events of those years would be forgiven for wondering why so many outsiders were celebrating the fall of communism. Moreover, even as incomes eventually recovered and then rose to new heights, it came at the expense of significantly longer working hours, incomparably more stress, frayed family relations and social bonds, and massive cultural change….For all these reasons, those old enough to remember the Polish People’s Republic remain ambivalent even today about the transformations.”


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/29/1868388/-Why-don-t-people-celebrate-the-end-of-communism

Should anyone be shocked that the liberal faggots over at Daily Kos wax nostalgic for Communism?  Even while stating "But it wasn't 'muh TRUE Commuism!" that never existed, instead it's "Muh Corrupt State Communism" and therefore bad, but still sort of better than Western Capitalism, because: Feelings.

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 03:35:40 PM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East".  The current ruling party, "Law and Justice", won an outright majority by being pro-Poland, socially conservative and pro-family.  When Hollande and Merkel showed up and invited Poland to "share" in the "wonderful diversity" last seen running people over with trucks, shooting up Paris and exploding all over the West, the government said, "Ok" and the people said, "Um, how about  :censored:  NO?!" which resulted in an outright win for Law and Justice - the first time that Poland didn't have a coalition government since the fall of Communism.

The formula in the West (and not just the EU):

Left Wing Governments: "We are going to flood your countries with people who arent like you, do not share your values, and we are going to force you to pay for it."

Left Wing Media: "We are going to demonize your people 24/7 and celebrate all kinds of degeneracy."

Left Wing Academia: "We are going to teach your kids to hate you, themsleves, and their nation."

All Three: "Why you so mad?"

The point is not to reconstitute the CCCP and the Warsaw Pact, it's looking at the EU and thinking "Why do we want to follow them down the path of ethnomasochism and self-destruction?"

Watch Law and Justice MP Dominik Tarczyński dunking at will on awful BBC shrike Cathy Newman:


Dominik Tarczyński on illegal immigration:


Not the moderator's "But muh FEELINGS!!" about people who "only want a better life" bullshit.

Of course, Poland is not alone amon the so-called Visegrád Group of nations, and in that way, the East is showing the way for keeping the West, y'know Western

B/B

That polish dude is the dogs bollocks!

Sadly it would never work in the west because we’ve got far too many fuzzy thinking, bleeding heart idiots who wouldn’t support him. One thing the Poles have got absolutely bang on, is their bullshit filter.

I love it when at the end of the first video the EU bitch is whining about what Germany is doing and he smirks and says “take them all, take them all to Germany!”  :laugh:
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 04:07:05 PM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East". 

B/B

Eastern-european countries, latvia, lithuania, estonia, hungary, etc. And then form a strong block to oppose france/german dominance in the EU. They're already forming as the EU is talking about 'visegrad' countries as a group instead of individual members.

That makes more sense, certainly from their perspective, than reconstituting the CCCP. 

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2019, 11:46:11 AM »
Except, if you speak to regular polish guys, they are getting more and more vocal about leaving the EU and joining the 'east' once again. This to me, makes no sense but i have 0 polish people that I trust and/or meet regularly.

Define "joining the East". 

B/B

Eastern-european countries, latvia, lithuania, estonia, hungary, etc. And then form a strong block to oppose france/german dominance in the EU. They're already forming as the EU is talking about 'visegrad' countries as a group instead of individual members.

That makes more sense, certainly from their perspective, than reconstituting the CCCP. 

B/B

Visegrad are one half of the solution. The other half is that Britain, France and the USA should stop regime change wars which caused the refugee crisis in the first place.  :coffeeread:
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2019, 12:37:38 PM »
And so you see the movement from below that provides the impetus to disunity and nationalism as a counterforce to the top down force toward unity and integration.

The process, as it continues, will lead to the destruction of the EU as we know it. This was the reason I voted for the UK to be the first dinner party guest to leave! The last out will be left with the washing up.
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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2019, 02:07:17 PM »
Visegrad are one half of the solution. The other half is that Britain, France and the USA should stop regime change wars which caused the refugee crisis in the first place.  :coffeeread:

Some places manage to suck all on their own without any help from developed nations.   :smileysherlock:

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Re: 30 Year Anniversary of the Fall of Communism
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2019, 04:58:48 PM »
Visegrad are one half of the solution. The other half is that Britain, France and the USA should stop regime change wars which caused the refugee crisis in the first place.  :coffeeread:

Some places manage to suck all on their own without any help from developed nations.   :smileysherlock:

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All the more reason to exit the Middle East, defund Israel and all others and let fate take its course.

At some point you and all others who seem to think that regime change wars are okay need to realize once and for all that these endless wars WILL cause the downfall of the US empire similar to what happened to Rome.

The parasites who control the media and the banks will snicker and laugh and move onto their next host who they will also eventually bleed dry.

Or? We can wake the hell up, bring our military home, cut those budgets to reasonable levels to actually mirror national defense and expel the parasites now.  :coffeeread:
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